Georgia Bureau of Investigation Report Brings To Light Another Claim
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT
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It's cliche to suggest the Steelers' brass are waiting to see if there is a final nail to QB Ben Roethlisberger's coffin.
If the Georgia Bureau of Investigation's report of another incident involving Roethlisberger is further investigated by the league or the Steelers, it could mean ramped up efforts to part ways with the team's marquee player.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Friday morning that a separate allegation of sexual misconduct by Roethlisberger exists, but the alleged victim's father advised her not to press charges.
According to the documents obtained by the AJC through Georgia's open records laws, the allegation stated Roethlisberger dropped his pants and told the woman she "could do whatever she wants."
The report further states Roethlisberger invited her to a party at his house a week later, where he allegedly put his hand up her skirt. The victim fled the house after that.
On one hand, the fact this information came out in the report may simply be the whole ordeal is running its course. Odds are, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell asked Ben and his lawyers if the allegation of sexual assault at the Milledgeville night club was the only act of impropriety he should be aware of. Perhaps both Goodell and Art Rooney II know of this allegation already.
If not?
It's difficult to suggest any other nail-in-coffin, or straw breaking the camel's back cliche is appropriate, but for Ben's sake, let's hope he was at least up front about it with his boss and the commissioner. He's already facing a suspension, but further evidence of this deviant behavior going public is likely to lengthen that, possibly for a year.
Goodell has taken a hard stance on repeat offenses, and this allegation, coupled with the two others, seems to fit in line with a harder stance than just two games.
While former Steelers WR Santonio Holmes' trade market disinegrated due to the fact he'll be out at least a quarter of the 2010 season, and he's a free agent after that, Roethlisberger's trade value would fall through the floor. He's due in exess of $90 million on his contract, and the negative attention (to put it mildly) he's receiving make it difficult for even a QB-starved franchise to give up much for him.
That would essentially cement Roethlisberger where he is, but the message the Steelers would be sending changes the entire franchise: Ben isn't on the roster because we want him, it's because we can't get rid of him.
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Doesn't it make you wonder
Why these two reports were made public <after the DA’s statement of not pressing charges? You would think if there were some merit to any of the others we would have heard of it in the month long + investigation? It’s not like it wasn’t in the news, and the GA DA would have been privy to this information, no?
It’s beyond rediculous at this point. It’s apparent the guy has a serious problem.
You're Next!
by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...wait...wait
I am supposed to believe this? This is the account:
Ben drops his pants exposing Little Ben, “Yo baby, you can do whatever you want”
Girl, “Ew no thanks!”
Ben, “Do you wan to come to a party with me in a week after I just exposed myself to you?”
Girl, “YEAH! Definitely! You seem like the type of person I want to hang out with again. Especially at your place of residence where I will know no one.”
Uhhh…yeah, BS!
The future is not what it used to be.
And then her FATHER, of all people, tells his “sexually harassed” daughter to not press charges?
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Lot of assumptions in there…if anything, I’ll quietly point out that no mention was made of what the alleged victim did when he dropped his drawers…I only mention it cuz the allegation says she went to the party. Doesn’t seem likely she would have gone if she was that disgusted by it. However, dropping his pants like a bleeping idiot in front of a woman is not the same as grabbing her.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course I added the dialogue to make it humorous, but the chronology is still there and makes absolutely no sense.
She went to a party at a guys house a week after he allegedly exposed himself to her and said she could do whatever she wanted. Yeah…I do not buy that for a second.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It's also out of context a bit.....
What was she doing and where were they when he dropped his pants?
Hotel room? his room? her room? Back of a bar?
Also were they flirting mutually with each other when this happened? Or are we to believe she was just standing there having a drink and BBR walked over?
End of the day – my concern is that BBR is in these situations, I don’t necessarily believe he did or didn’t do anything, it’s more that his in situations like this where accusations can be made and never full rebuffed.
In any account
If someone drops their pants and says “do what you want”. And you did not want that, so you did nothing. Why in the world would you hang out with that person again? It makes 0 sense.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
She would go back for a couple of possible reasons
1.) Because he’s a rich celebrity, with presumably a big house, free booze, lots of people, etc…going to a party there is a status thing.
2). Becuase she’s probably young, and with her friends. I seriously doubt that she went by herself, which would make her feel more comfortable about going back there…as bad of an idea as it may have been.
3.) The initial “exposing” could have been made in a non-threatening way…I of course am not condoning it in any way…but, he was drunk, even though it’s a pathetic move, he could’ve been joking around…and maybe they weren’t alone in the room when it happened…still is a dumbass thing to do though…
So, she went back there a second time probably because she didn’t feel threatened by him the first time.
I don’t know…just some possiblities.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Apr 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
All assumptions, we will never know. It just doesn’t make sense IMO.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh it’s definitely shady, no doubt about that.
I , just like most everyone else on here, am tired of hearing these things about him. Such a string of bad attention is wearing real thin right now.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Apr 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think shady is the wrong term here
A couple of twits maybe. Him for dropping his drawers and her for showing up at his place.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
Her being “exposed” to him, then going back under her own will, THEN filling a complaint that her father said she shouldn’t pursue….that sounds very shady to me.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Apr 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, you’ve misrepresented what happened. For one thing, she never filed a complaint. The police heard about it from a friend of her brother, and then tried to interview her. She refused the interview. All of the stories make it clear that she has never provided any information at all about the incident. No one has her side of the chronology or events, except third hand. Every single thing you guys are saying is raw speculation. You not only don’t know what happened, you don’t even know her version of what happened.
by J. Michael Neal on Apr 16, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Speculation on the interwebs?…nooooooooo way
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
my fault
That was a mistake. I should have said that she supposedly wanted to file a complaint.
My point was that her whole story sounds shady. No complaint, no witnesses, no interviews, nothing. But still the story gets out. That’s what is shady.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Apr 17, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree! I have no idea if Ben is guilty or not. If he is I want him in jail. But it is better to let three murderers go free then to execute one innocent because you think where there is smoke there is fire. Turn on your electric stove and watch the pan of food burn and smoke with no fire!!!!!!!
totally agree with you Johnny.
see my comment at the bottom
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Apr 16, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Day late & a dollar short!!
NOW it starts to come out! Still say BB got a free ride from the media on this!! Kobe’s INTERVEIW INSIDE the police station was public knowledge 2 days after the accusations!(Remember he & Shaq fallin’ out because of it?)
Minimum suspension should be 4 games, max 8!! Or else this is all just lip service from Goddell/Rooney’s!!!
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
Kobe and Shaq had problems before that. And Kobe’s accuser went to the cops one day after the alleged assault. Ben’s accuser made a statement that morning, but was pretty drunk, based on what the reports indicate.
Different situations. As far as the lip service accusation, Rooney has already said he’ll be suspended, but they are going to do it along with the NFL.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know!!
Ab-so-effin-lutely NOTHING happened! BB should change his name to Jesus around here!
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
?
Who said nothing happened?
And if we all thought of Ben Roethlisberger in the same light as some (myself included) think of Jesus Christ, why would we run stories about the allegations against him?
All I ask is that you argue based on logic and fact, and don’t jump to conclusions a la Tom Smykowski.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a mat...
With conclusions… You can jump to.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Jump To Conclusions Mat!
you should have that patented! ;-)
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Apr 16, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well played sir!
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Apr 16, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Have to give the assist to ncoolong on this one though...
He teed it up for me, I just took a swing.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
umm...
I made the Smykowski reference for a reason…right after I said he was jumping to conclusions…
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, it was a good fit for the situation...
Just took it a step further.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
a free ride?
Literally every news report only discusses the McNulty case as a pretext for the GA case. But the reality is that the two cases are nothing alike and don’t display a pattern of anything. But as far as the media concerned it’s “now accused twice in the last year…” without adding any CONTEXT whatsoever to the McNulty case. What’s the context?
1) NO CRIMINAL CHARGES
2) McNulty already had a boyfriend, essentially based on the fact that he looked like Ben.
3) Her emails contradict her entire case
4) Her co-workers have disavowed her
That, my friends, is the essence of defamation & gold-digging. And nary a word of it mentioned in any report I’ve read. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be mentioned, I’m saying that to mention it is disingenuous because it’s essentially always being used to push the “pattern” narrative. And to look at the two cases side by side, they’re nothing alike. So no wonder Ben’s losing this one in the court of popular opinion.
He’s still a spoiled, stupid child, though.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I did that before
I told a girl she could do anything she wanted. She said, “really?” I said, “If I tie you up can I have anything I want?” I said, “yes.” She tied me to the bed and took my TV and my wallet.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
That's awful
If we can’t trust people who come back to our house after we publicly expose ourselves to them, then who can we trust?
The Donger
Best name I’ve read…ever. Well, Vince Clortho was pretty cool too.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
lol I have heard this one before
I had a girl friend (now ex) tell me her husband (when he was single) had a woman tell him to tie her up and do what ever he wanted. So he tied her up and went to the bar.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah she needs to be booed
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Even I saw that one coming
That’s what she said
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
We should sign her up.
If she saw it coming and got out of the way quickly enough so there was no evidence, the lady must have some skills. Might be worth giving her a tryout at RB, what say you?
Well
She’s quick but I think she couldn’t keep her balance. She did have a head injury.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
And your point?
BB has had a few himself – clearly we’re seeing those affects NOW!
If this other new girl didn’t like the view from the front, let’s line the two of them up in the back-field behind BB, maybe that view would be more appealling to them?
That's scary
I think I catch what you’re saying.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This one does seem a bit spurious
due to the chronology of events as reported. The issue at this stage, as ncoolong correctly points out, is whether BB was upfront with Art II and the commish — the commish hates being deceived. Ask Michael Vick.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Would you say it's Steve Spurious? :)
I agree though. If Ben wasn’t out in the open about this, it could be bad for him.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
At this point...
these things dont have to be proven true…they point to what appears to be a pattern and for many people this will cement the “where there is smoke there’s fire” viewpoint.
Not Saying It is Right...
Just that that is how it will be viewed along with any other alleged incidents that are going to trickle out…
Unfortunatley you may be right.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Most important ?
Can BB control little Ben – or will this be ongoing like some of the other NFL’ers who got caught up in the “air of invinciblity”..
The most disturbing part for me is that it appears that BBen does’nt see his behavior as a problem. Of course until it was pointed out by the league and Rooney’s.
by BigDaddyTat2boy on Apr 16, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
there is a pattern of BB being sexually aggressive
and perhaps tasteless.
But in the first accusation and this one, the complainant has no credibility based on the facts.
If, as a nation, we choose to ignore facts and make important decisions based on spurious garbage, we have a big problem.
Aren't there 4 now..
Reno
Vegas
Capital City Club
Ben’s Ga home..
any more…….
by BigDaddyTat2boy on Apr 16, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
I thought Reno and Vegas were the same event
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
nope
there was a report out of Boston that said a similar event to what happened in GA happened in Las Vegas. Reno was McNulty.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sick of this shit.
I hope Ben comes out and passes for 36,000 yards this season!!!
'All you bitches, take my shots.'
~Alleged Big Ben Quote
It could happen.
Most correctional leagues are plagues with poor defensive backfield play.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Good call, Lime
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
definitely full of (wide) receivers though…
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Of course you want him cut from the team
Because that helps your team.
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
Creatures of Habit..
We all know we are creatures of Habit..
Hopefully he can break the cycle!! If not bye bye BBen and little Ben..
by BigDaddyTat2boy on Apr 16, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions
this is so dumb, but now I think we're screwed.
1) in a way Ben’s reaping the “rewards” of being not well-liked in the sports media. So now they’re piling on… there’s blood in the water and they smell a frenzy. Colin Cowherd essentially admitted this on the air the other day.
2) As much as I hate to admit it, the Steelers have built a clean, blue collar reputation but in the process the franchise and some of its fans have crossed over into sanctimony. And now here’s the fallout. We love our team, but over the last decade I fear we’ve allowed ourselves to adopt a holier than thou attitude, and it’s definitely hurting us in this situation. Fans of other teams, tired of hearing us wax poetic about “the Steeler Way” are really loving this. Especially Cowboys fans, which is not only ironic, it’s downright hypocritical – fans of “America’s Team™” essentially invented sanctimony in NFL fandom circles.
3) Also as much as I hate to admit it, we may be best getting rid of him now. The die is cast on Ben, and if there’s a no tolerance policy towards him, I think it’s far too easy now for anyone just to throw out another allegation with the goal of damaging Ben and (more to the point) the Steelers. I could see some homer for another team paying someone to do it. We’re basically at the tipping point it’s beginning to seem.
flame on
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
I'm afraid you might be correct
All it takes are accusations. No facts, no proof, nothing. Now these stories coming out about Ben’s bodyguards dragging the girl to the bathroom and then Ben following. Then the bodyguards blocking the door is just crazy to me. I mean this is the story from the girl who was .20 BAC drunk the previous night and this crap is being reported like its fact. Personally I’ve never been .20 drunk, I’ve never been much of a drinker at all. I’ve never been .05. So I don’t know how the memory thing works. All I know is that I’ve had friends tell me they’ve been so drunk and don’t remember driving home that night. They don’t know how they got home just know that they were there and their car was there. I wouldn’t believe anything they said and it would be dangerous to do so. Especially if their claiming someone raped them. There is so much irresponsible journalism going on that is not even worth fighting it. People believe the news. They think its facts, they don’t think just take it for as it is. I would hope that ben wins his defamation suit and if he is traded or cut, he files a similar one against all the broadcast companies.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The media aren't reporting that Ben raped anyone...
They’re reporting that he is/was being investigated for sexual assault because someone is accusing him of it.
People responding to the media’s reports are the irresponsible parties, in my opinion. I didn’t write here that Ben raped anyone. I wrote that he’s being accused of it. Two completely different topics, and the fact that he’s being accused of it is news, whether we like it or not.
I think you’re making a valid point as far as how people are taking it, but I haven’t seen any report made by a credible news outlet that I’d label as “irresponsible.”
Point one out, I’d love to write a piece on it.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
I understood what you were saying.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
They might as well be
its just my opinion. But all of the reports have been based on rumors, and accusations. No one has been brave enough to question why should we believe anything a .20 BAC girl says. After she changed her story twice. People are taking it wrong because that is how it’s being reported in my opinion. The word it so its easy to for people to say, oh this is how it went down. Especially when they reported on the story of the girl who was so plastered that she couldn’t remember much of anything. So now people take what she said as fact when she doesn’t even know if its fact or not. To me you might as well have just said Ben raped her.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's one example
Link
I think this is a typical article in the media in that it reports something while sourcing it, but what is the real point? I saw a similar article a few days ago that said “Roethlisberger accuser says she said no.” Well, of course she says she said no, that’s why she reported it to begin with. Does that add any real new info? No, it just exploits a big story to get internet clicks. Yes, it is sourced, but it really doesn’t add anything as far as real evidence. It does, however, further tarnish Ben to the extent that all of these rumors and reports imply that he actually did something. What I mean by that is that they first tell the story of some accusation, which gets you thinking along those lines. It’s important to remember that none of the accusations against Ben have been proven in any conclusive way.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 17, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed with the premise, but if the Steelers have been guilty of being holier than thou, would that not put a bit of a burden on the circumstance in addition to Ben, and would it no be excessively holier than thou to then dump him because he is being accused left and right?
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Yes but trading him now will only makes things worse as far as I see it. You would be taking the moral high-ground again. Taking the fallout from this seems a good way of distancing yourself from the sanctimony. Having an obnoxious horrible person on the team is in my opinion still better than having a convicted one for example.
I don't see it that way
it’s no longer a moral question, it’s a question of Ben’s value to the organization. How will he play from here on out? I don’t think we can assume that Ben will be the same player under continued pressure and demonization from the media, and the fans (away AND home). Hell, he might respond by focusing everything on his field performance, and putting up a monster season. Or he could fade, because he’s no longer Steeler Golden Boy II. That has to be part of the discussion now.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes if it affects his work performance then of course trade him by all means.
But at this moment it makes 0 buisness/sport sense he is coming from the best 2 seasons of his carrer. I’m not saying the reasons you gave are not valid ones because they are. But any move the organisation makes on him right now will be seen as a moral judgment on his behaviour.
Personally I have a big problem with harsher sanctions than a couple of games susspension because as much as I don’t like the type of personality the accussations suggest he is still one of the best at his profession. Heck a there’s a lot of music i like that was made by people who were drug addicts or worse but I’ve learned to keep the love for the craft they do separate from the persons that they are.
what's wrong with drug addicts?
BEER!
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I'll rephrase.
Drug addicts who can’t keep their addiction under control :) I prefer vodka or whisky though…
Drug addicts who can’t keep their addiction under control
Now that’s an interesting statement
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of my friends, when I was growing up, had at least one parent who was a functioning alcoholic. Usually the father. They would never have admitted to having a problem.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS IS THE EFFING CATALINA WINE MIXER!
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I sold a sh!t ton of copters...
Close to my quota now.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
risk double standard
if you’ve treated other players more definitively, but are willing to “overlook” these situations. This would further put the situation between the proverbial rock and hard place…
this report
if true at all, has no legal leg to stand on. just reading this report ticks me off. not towards Ben, although he already needs to grow up in my eyes.
let’s look at the report. Ben dropped his pants and invited the girl to “do what she wants” and THEN invited her to his party. and, from the looks of it, she WENT to the party AFTER Ben flashes her?!?!
oh yeah, she totally didn’t know Ben’s character OR what she was getting into.
ok, can we move on to real news please??
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
The past accusations make him wide open for others to follow
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Apr 16, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
and leads people to believe all or part of each. That's what he will have to live with from now on
It ain’t fair, but its true
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Apr 16, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ohhhh, that's how this is working?
In that case, Ben raped me too!
'All you bitches, take my shots.'
~Alleged Big Ben Quote
Wait and see...
That’s all we can do.
This could be nothing, but it could be damning. Nothing new to me, there’s no way of knowing at this point.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
Why not...
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
+10
Wow…this needs to circulate beyond just this site.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Johnny,
you need to patent this, fast!
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't see it
:(
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It's one of Johnny's best.
Get him to email it to you.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Just noticed the grammar error
Was trying to make it quick
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
can you email it?
:)
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
sent
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Uncle Sam blocked it
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
the email?
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
No it stripped the file
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
too bad
it is priceless
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
ahh i guess they don't like my PS work
haha
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
anyway....took a screen shot and e mailed it to you.
'All you bitches, take my shots.'
~Alleged Big Ben Quote
Let's just say
somewhere in Ohio
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
he doesn't want to admit
it’s cleveland
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
close. Cincy area sort of
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
well
I knew there would be a good reason. Don’t be ashamed. It is not where you are, it is who you are, a Steelers fan.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm Mike Tomlin
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Finally
he admits it!
I just didn’t realize that the Steelers were part of the U. S. government…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Shhhhhh
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!...
I knew it.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Don’t start any rumors
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Too late...
I called TMZ. It is now a fact. Anyone who says it is not, needs to leave BTSC… now.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang it
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't hate the player...
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Duh!
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
stop that!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t sign my contract. You can’t make me do anything!
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it did
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
it goes in order
johnny got his comment in before you.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
figured that
i am at work and have to read and respond when i can, but hoped it would get there, but, oh well
Things can always be worse....
It is a jump to conclusions mat
With ridiculous things to jump to involving Ben.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet
Office Space reference huh?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
uh huh
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused
You say this is jumping to conclusions but the GA case is not, because you have said he did something wrong.
Can you clarify?
…its a joke. Saying everyone is going to jump to conclusions and not wait. Relax
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
BTSC is not a political board. One of the very few rules of BTSC is no political talk.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well, to be fair
If, as a nation, we choose to ignore facts and make important decisions based on spurious garbage, we have a big problem.
And that comment isn’t touching on politics? You’re walking a fine line there. The whole discussion here about Ben isn’t football either. I understand the no politics part(and am now informed), but the comment was piggy backing on the one I was responding to….If you take mine out, you should take out the original comment as well. Facts are facts, and I simply stated one.
You really believe his comment and yours are the same?
He was saying the people of this country. How is that political? You dove into something about George Bush. That is incredibly different.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly the same
But they both touch on the state of affairs in this country.
Mine was a bit more specific, but I still think is a vague line. But I’ll take the punishment. :-)
You sir...
Are an art-eest.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, where there's smoke there's fire
Just what Tomlin said about Spygate. I’m not willing to give Ben the benefit of the doubt anymore. The McNulty case is one thing; but all these others add up to a pattern of behavior, even if only half of the claims in each case are true.
+1
We can pick all of these situations apart, line by line, and find things that may not mesh up as well as Ben Haters would like to accept. At the same time, it’s extremely difficult for me to accept that this is all one gigantic conspiracy, started and currently worked by a bunch of people who have no relationship to each other, to the NFL or to Ben Roethlisberger.
That’s not fact, just my opinion. I agree with Coach Tomlin, where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Tomlin
said that? Where there’s smoke there’s fire? He said that in regard to Ben and his situation with the accuser?
You can have
a smoke machine, then theres no fire…. just sayin
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
just dry ice
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Or Santonio Holmes
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If there were
there would be charges.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess everywhere there is someone wanting to jump on some kind of bandwagon.
I guess my first question would be, especially if i am her father, If he TRULY did that, why in the hell would you go back to his house?(I know someone already mentioned that question) Why in the last two “accusations” the “alleged victim” did not make the report on their own, they had to be convinced to. I am a counselor so i understand the reasoning behind that when someone is raped, but these 2 are not as traumatic as rape. i can’t recall anyone being diagnosed with PTSD after someone flashed them. Could happen, anything is possible
Things can always be worse....
It's just like Tiger Woods, folks -
batten down the hatches and prepare for a ton of these allegations. Anybody can say anything at this point and the media will grab it and most people will believe it. We’ll probably never know much of anything for sure, except for the obvious fact that Ben has done a lot of really stupid and antisocial (and possibly worse than antisocial) stuff. Sooner or later everyone in America who has ever been in the same county with him and wants to make a few waves will have told their story (or the story about something that happened to ‘their friend,’) and the press will move on to the next big sensation.
In the meantime, we’re left with a neutered quarterback, an embarrassed franchise and team, and a lot of unwanted #7 jerseys. We might just as well get used to it, because as someone stated above nobody is going to want him.
The question is, do we close ranks, get him some help, and support him as a person and as our quarterback, or do we continue to pass this stuff along? I for one am sick of it, and I support seeing that he gets the help he needs to not only see that his behavior is unacceptable but to help him change it. Then we have to be prepared to support the better person he hopefully will become.
Everyone screws up, and Americans love redemption stories. Let’s hope that Ben’s can be one of those, and not the other sort, where he refuses to acknowledge anything except that people are ‘down on him’ and continues to behave however he likes, thus ensuring him a rapid exit from the NFL. Because how much or little truth there is in the individual stories, Ben as he has been revealed in recent months isn’t a very likable person when dealing with the unwashed masses. Your character shows not by how you behave when you think people that ‘matter’ are looking, but when they aren’t.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I love a good redemption story
But seeing Ben half-heartedly read his statement at that press conference didn’t convince me that he gives two squirts about the situation. Also, the 18-inch mullet is another indicator of impaired judgement.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
You are just looking for anything to condemn him, aren’t you?
If I have a beard, does that make me a lumberjack?
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not looking to condemn him.
But I’m not going to be his apologist, either.
I have a beard, and yes, it does make me look lumberjackish. But that doesn’t make me one. But if multiple sources claimed that to have seen me cutting timber, with a sampling of wood dust left behind (yet not enough to confirm the source of said dust), then it is still possible.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Wood dust would be his DNA. And there was none.
Also, the sources who claimed you were cutting timber are drunk. One time when I was drunk I thought I saw Cameron Diaz. It ended up being a less attractive, taller woman, with Blonde hair. I coulda swore at the time though…
Is it still possible? Or does it seem a lot less likely.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
No, wood dust would be the vehicle for the DNA. And there was wood dust.
I hope that this conversation results in “wood dust” becoming a new euphemism.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
So you are saying the vehicle is forced sex? Why was Ben’s DNA not on her?
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
They found semen, didn’t they? But not enough to confirm the source? Or did the media get that wrong? I don’t know what to believe anymore.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I never heard that
only “DNA”
and DNA can be anything like skin, hair, fingernails and naughty bits
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No. No they did not. They never asked Ben for a sample of his DNA because they found nothing.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure what kind of DNA they found, but they did say that they did not have enough to confirm whose it was. So it could have been anyone’s to be fair. They didn’t need Ben’s sample because it wouldn’t have helped confirm it.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if you even find one little sperm you can extract DNA from it.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you can even extract DNA from pre-ejaculate
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
in the DA’s statement it says there was no “wood dust” but other kinds of male DNA:
“A standard rape evidence kit was collected. The doctor found no evidence of semen or discharge. The swabbings from the rape-evidence kit were tested by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab in Atlanta, Georgia, and the initial testing found human male DNA present. Additional extensive testing was done, but because the sample was so minute it would not yield a profile. The crime lab advised that extracting DNA from Mr. Roethlisberger at this point was futile due to the fact that no profile was available from the minute male DNA sample submitted in the rape-evidence kit. Hence, that is when Mr. Roethlisberger’s attorney was informed that no buccal-swab samples for DNA would be needed from his client anymore.”
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And I believe if you do indeed have intercourse with someone…it leaves a lot of DNA behind. Anyone here a CSI? Haha
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Or wood dust (skin I take it)
I understand this well. If the road is tight you leave some wood dust at times. I’m trying to keep this clean.
I really have no opinion on the DNA thing though, because I don’t know. I wasn’t there…..
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You would have been called in as an eye witness, had you been… and that would have been awkward
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Yeah
’cause I heard teh bathroom was small
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
His employer
wouldn’t have liked that at all…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you sneak out before the sun came up?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Or did I try to drink her back to being Ms. Diaz?
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a country song
“Drinking Her Pretty.” Sort of like that, I guess.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We are married now...
HA! jk
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Man that's jacked
I was starting to write my apology when I saw
HA! jk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to think
that I’m a big enough person to forgive him for a bad haircut. And quite frankly it is not reasonable to judge him for his press conference. Some people are good at public manipulation, sorry, speaking, and some aren’t. Not being a politician, he hasn’t learned the art of projecting the proper emotion. Under the circumstances, it’s pretty hard to say whether or not he was sorry. Art II said he was ‘properly contrite’ and I have to assume that he meant it.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the statement he read last year was more convincing than the one he read earlier this week. He did come off as a little cocky during his statement but that may just be the way he is.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
I think it is foolish to analyze how someone presents a statement. It is all so calculated
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if you are going to make a statement and be apologetic you have show remorse. If he couldn’t do that maybe he shouldn’t have made a statement.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
legally he's treading a fine line
if he does anything that could be presented in a future civil case as an apology for something, he could be damaging his own case.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
How does one show remorse? Did he need to cry? What?
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I was joking about the haircut. Sort of.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
that he could have chosen his look more carefully. I would have advised a short haircut, a shave, and the habit of the monastery that he was announcing he had entered.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! Good idea, but with the church also in the headlines, not sure that would have helped much.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking
Buddhist…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he just might have to set himself ablaze to earn back the respect he had.
by EmmettOtter on Apr 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking
Hinduism, or he could become a Wiccan
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 16, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can say so many things now that are so wrong (especially when tossing in the flaming buddhist comment) but I won’t.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Ben is sorry. Two ways........
He is sorry he got caught and he is a sorry human being.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
Thank you for your opinion
Its nice that you have one. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally disagree
What Tiger did was consensual. His affairs were non criminal and in reality he is answerable only to his wife and he is going to pay out a probable half a billion dollars in his divorce settlement. Do I condone his actions? NO!
What Ben did, and though there is not enough evidence to criminally convict there is enough to pretty well establish his status as a sexual predator, was to force himself onto unwilling, naive and intoxicated young women. Just the pretty well established and admitted act of exposing himself is criminal. Taking a girl into a bathroom and having bodyguards block the door and keeping her friends from being able to come to help her is enough for me.
At first I thought a couple of games suspension was appropriate but the more I read the more I think it should be more – much more. IMO Ben isn’t sorry he did it. He is sorry he got caught. If Ben’s actions weren’t exposed here who would his next victim be – your daughter – your sister.
Yes I do believe in redemption but only after retribution. It will take a lot more than showing up in a press conference, shuffling your feet and saying I’m sorry.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
Tiger lives in Florida right? Adultery is a crime in Florida.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
But dancing naked on a pole isn't
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know that Johnny,
If that law applies to Tiger I am all in favor of him being charged and convicted.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
Not too add your entire comment is extremely speculative.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Johnny, even his bodyguards admitted he exposed himself......
and that the girl wanted to leave but picked the wrong door and was perused into the bathroom by Ben and when her friends tried to get to her the body guards blocked them. Then the video was “somehow accidentally” erased. That is enough for me.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
Evidence, please? Otherwise, your accusations will quickly become wearisome.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
this
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no, not accidentally
you’ve obviously never worked somewhere that used a rotating tape security system. you use the same tapes so they get taped over (in this case it was DVDs). It was the cops fault for viewing the tapes on the night of the alleged incident and not seizing them at that time.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry
A logical argument would’t suit his chosen narrative.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Just look at the reports. All of them - not just the ones that suit you.
I am for justice and if Ben is innocent I want him cleared. It doesn’t appear that way to me. If this were Carson Palmer I would feel the same way. I cannot believe that all of you condone Ben’s behavior and are making so many excused and rationalizations for him.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
we're supposed to instead look at the ones that suit you,
I take it? What about what I actually said above, can you address that? Because you’re here making allegations that aren’t true.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness...
He did say “all of them”.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well yes but he's also only saying
what suits him, leaving out known facts of the case. so he’s basically guilty of what he’s accusing.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to defend him...
He can do that himself.
But I’ll say this, if only one side of the story is being presented in your opinion, and you feel the other should be too, which side would you talk about? The same stuff said before, or the stuff you thought was left out?
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
How about both, and not needing to resort to only utilizing one side?
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
One side was already represented...
So by stating the other, that equals both.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But you are limiting yourself to only finding one side as having personal relevance for your argument. Things do not need to be diametrically opposed, or presented as such…
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
No... I'm not...
I’m not arguing either side at all. I’m saying if he had a side to present, it should be presented. If he can’t back up his point, so be it.
I neither supported or argued against either side.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well I think what I said before
the whole story includes the known facts of the case, and dude seems to be quite conveniently ignoring that.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not defending what he said...
Just my interpretation of the situation.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I promise I will try to find the reference......
I have visited several site and will try to find the posting again but I am very sure that I did see it. Hopefully I will locate it and refer it to you. If I can’t I will come back and make my apologies. I will try to find it this morning if I can.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
check TMZ
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I have spent some time trying to find the article
I have been unsuccessful. Since I cannot provide the link I, being a man of my word, apologize for my statement saying that the bodyguard admitted that he saw Ben expose himself. I honestly believe I read it but I cannot expect you to believe me without proof. Thus the apology.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
Again, evidence please?
Very simple. You say his bodyguards have stated this on record. I have seen nothing that says that. This is very simple. I am not condoning his actions, but I have grown tired of you saying nothing of value…. and fashioning yourself as some kind of saint
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
nice choice of words -
Where’s Colon in all of this crap
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
because I thought
it was usually the other way around… lol
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Momma
we are a bad influence on you.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's so true
right now I should be doing a ton of useful stuff. I blame Ben for this. Call TMZ…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Colon has been cleansed of this crap
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe 'purged'
is the word you want
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Colon just signed his tender
Oh no…a tender Colon….
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it means we’d have to trade him.
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not believe we will trade him
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by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think we will
But I won’t be heart broken, though he does open up lanes for Mendenhall to run
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
I agree 100%
I’ve been a diehard Steelers fan for more than 35 years. Unlike some “fans” seem to think, that doesn’t mean that I have to support every player that wears the Steelers uniform.
Ben’s actions have been despicable. I don’t care if the DA found enough evidence to press charges or not. I don’t care if he’s guilty or not. The fact is, he hasn’t learned anything from his previous and ongoing legal issues and continues to put himself, the team and the league in an undesirable light. I don’t want him as the face of the Steelers franchise any more.
Ben’s near annual issues with women and motorcycles are disgraceful. There are no two ways around it. At the very least Ben is guilty of stupidity… on a multitude of occasions. Most likely he has a serious issue with alcohol and needs to stop drinking ASAP before he ends up in prison.
Having just had a baby girl about 4.5 months ago I now look at things in a bit of a different light. There is no way on earth that I would allow Mr. Roethlisberger anywhere near my daughter now or at any time in the future. That should say all that that needs to be said about the character of any man.
I’m disgusted with Ben and will never don his jersey again. Bring on Dixon or draft another QB.
So
what are you going to do when August comes around and Ben is still the QB of the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
PS
Don’t let sport icons be your role models. Even if you think you know th em, you really don’t. I guess this is why its easy for me not to be upset with Ben about it. He hasn’t done anything to me. I never thought of him as a role model so to find flaws in his character doesn’t damage any type of image I had of him. We are all imperfect. I will try to raise my kids the same way.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I still have my Roethlisberger jersey on my wall
And that’s where it shall remain.
Not sure if you can blame alcohol on this, but it should be looked at.
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
My fiance
still wears her Roethlisberger jersey and thats fine with me.
I still have my Micheal Vick Jersey, not that I haven’t tried to sell it…. but it wasn’t because of his dog incident, I needed some cash, and still do. lol
Disclaimer, I had a Vick jersey because a while ago in the ‘urban’ community – authentic jerseys was a fashion statement and had nothing to do with being affiliated with a sports team. I bought the jersey because it looked nice with some shoes I had.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Matched your shoes?
Are you a girl? I thought only girls did that. LOL!
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
lol
no. guys do it too… different culture thats all :)
I’ll take the grief though.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree tann
I have not decided 100%, but for the moment I am trying to find my Randle El jersey, as I do not feel up to wearing either Holmes or Big Ben. Support the Steelers, but those jerseys are on hold for the moment.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Idk
I feel like, I bought the jersey I’m going to wear it. it doesn’t mean I condone anything. I means I support my team. Nothing more and nothing less. I guess I’m the only one that can separate values from cheering for my team. NFL has become a religion to some I guess.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You could very easily choose any number of other athletes to support, but most likely, you (as I did) chose Ben to be your representative Steeler because you liked the way he played and maybe supported him as a player as well.
If it was just a team thing, then you would not need it to be a Big Ben jersey to support the Steelers. I am not saying I am going to burn it or anything ridiculous, merely that I am undecided if I can wear it with the innocence and in full support of Ben that I used to. And, honestly, it has nothing to do with religion or Ben being role model, but I have numerous Steeler jerseys and shirts, and at the moment, I feel better wearing one that represents the Steelers at large rather than Ben, or yes, Holmes.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
I have a
Ben jersey and a Ward jersey, will buy a Troy jersey too as soon as this wedding is over. But I got the Ben jersey because I like the steelers. Just because I may cheer for ben on the field doesn’t mean I support what Ben did. I don’t understand how you connect the two.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how you don’t. If you had a favorite musician, and it turned out he murdered someone, would you still proudly wear a shirt you earned from him? Are you divorcing the music you love from the person who made the music? Because unless you think the music and the person who made it are two separate things (highly implausible unless said person is imitating what he thinks is good, which odds are would make it lousy), then you can not consider them in isolation.
I loved Ben’s personality on that field. That same personality is the one that off the field seems to misbehave around women. That, if nothing else, should cause you to reconsider what it was that you liked about his on-the-field persona.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
I pull for ben
because he plays for the Steelers. Thats it, if he was on another team, I’d wouldn’t care about him. Its just a football game. I’m not making it more than what it is. They are guys who play a sport for a living. If you play for the team I like, then I cheer for you to win. If you don’t then I cheer for you to lose. Its simple. When I’m watching a football game, I’m not wondering, did this guy pay his tithes? I’m thinking, he better make this play or I’ma throw my TV out the window. I could care less about what these guys do off the field. The have their own lives that I am not responsible. There are others who feel different. That is why the NFL and the Rooneys have to do what they do, their forced to, I understand that. Its life.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 17, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anybody supports what he did off of the field
But we shouldn’t throw him in the trash. He’s done so much for the Steelers and we know it. His future with the team looks a little slim right now, but we shouldn’t just give up on him. That’s what I don’t understand about some of you guys. He obviously needs help and if he’s willing to do what it takes to do so, then I’ll have his back 100%.
However, if he’s going to be a little b*tch and do nothing, then I guess I can’t complain.
What Would Brian Boitano Do?
Agreed
But this discussion between tann and I isn’t about supporting him, which I do fully. Rather, it is about my indecision about whether I can go on wearing his jersey and supporting him wholeheartedly like nothing has happened.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
He seems to have no problem
throwing those he “deems” as lesser in the trash. A category that likely includes each and every one of us, depending on breast size, or ass shape, or maybe how inviting and pouty your damn lips are, To be graced with the Great and Magnificent PENIS of the BEN should legitimate your pathetic life.
If not, then:
He obviously needs help
Which summons the question; help with what?
Perhaps not being so damn drunk that you can’t perform.
Of course lack of performance might be the difference between being charged with a crime or not in this case,
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
We'lll
thats a nice assumption, but no way it can be supported by facts.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 17, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Great question
I’ll have to readdress that situation when/if it comes up. I expect I will still be supporting the Steelers and wearing my older and more ragged Ward and Bettis jerseys. However, if Ben continues to remain in the spotlight in a negative manner or I am not satisfied with the action that the league or the Steelers take I may skip the season altogether.
Well
you know Bettis was accused of sexual assault too right?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
sure didn’t. Guess it’s down to the Ward jersey then.
Seriously, though, this will be Ben’s 7th season in the league. In three of those seven years, Ben’s off field issues in the offseason have turned out to be significant distractions to the team as they try to prepare a grueling NFL season. That reason alone makes Ben an idiot.
The leader of the team and face of the franchise has to be intelligent enough to learn from past mistakes and not put himself into bad situations. At the very least, Ben just doesn’t get that fact. At worst he’s a sexual predator and serial rapist.
Watching OTL on ESPN right now and again Ben’s off field issues are again THE big story. He’s a disgrace to the Steeler uniform. I’m fed up with his immaturity both on and off the field.
Look at this one other way since so many seem to think that Ben is somehow a “victim” in all of these allegations. How many other athletes have had multiple women come forward on multiple occasions accusing the same person of similar offenses? I don’t recall any. Does anybody?
It’s for that reason that I gave Ben the benefit of the doubt a year ago and now have lost all trust in him and his lack of character.
Did you also know
that Ward was accused of sexual assult?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't see how his other off season stuff distracted the team
last year was his best year statistically, don’t think his case in Tahoe had any effect on the D’s 4th quarter meltdowns
Things can always be worse....
Not sure
what you are talkin about? or did you mean to respond to something else.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
replying to King Coebra's post
about ben’s off filed issues being a distraction to the team in the past
Things can always be worse....
I see someone wants to play devil's advocate
As already stated show me someone else who has had multiple accusers? Are there any? I don’t remember any. The fact there are so few should lead to the conclusion that one false accusation may be fairly common but when there are multiple incidents then there is likely a serious problem.
How many times was Hines accused? How many times was Bettis accused. Were either perennially on the national news year after year after year? Were either accused by multiple people in multiple cities in multiple years? Was there ever volumes and volumes of documents disseminated showing the complete lack of class and character of said accused? They are totally different situations, but way to denigrate to sure fire future hall of famers by linking them to an idiot like Roethlisberger.
I already stated I gave Ben the benefit of the doubt after last season. If I ever find out that Bettis or Ward were guilty then I will dispose of their uniforms also.
If you want to support Ben by wearing your jersey that’s your prerogative. If you think that sexual assault and rape are minor offenses and that wearing a jersey of somebody accused of said offenses is in good taste then go for it.
This is not really new
In the past, pro and college athletes getting accused of sexual assault was a story for a minute and then the media moved on. A couple of years ago, Michael (Blitz) posted a link to a long article on Jerramy(sp?) Stevens’ “exploits” in college, and that stuff sounded at least as bad as anything I’ve heard Ben being accused of. There was no huge scandal then. The difference now is that something has to fill the time in the news cycle, so a month or two ago it was Tiger, and now it’s Ben. If Ben keeps his nose clean from now on, he’ll be fine. He just has to avoid these clubs altogether and find people that will encourage him to keep himself out of trouble. If Ray Lewis can come back from being involved (even if peripherally) with murder, Ben can come back from this.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 17, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You're going to give up on Ben, like that?
Getting pissed off is one thing, but giving up is another. People can change
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
+1
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like what?
Ben has now had three major off field situations in seven years. Three.
The first, his accident, I blamed on immaturity and youthful exhuberence. I was sure that he would wisen up and the off field incidents would stop at that point. I didn’t give up on him and gave him full support.
The second, last year’s accusations and the filing of his civil suit, I tried to dismiss as the insane ramblings of a mentally unstable woman. I was hopeful that we would never have to deal with any further offseason Roethlisberger issues.
This offseason is now his third MAJOR incident and I have had enough of his BS.
Like already stated. Show me another athlete that has had multiple accusers of similar behaviors of sexual assault and rape. I don’t recall any and nobody has pointed out any.
Believe me, I hope I am wrong about Ben and he is completely innocent of any wrongdoing, but the facts and evidence don’t support that. If they did, the league and the Steelers would not be discussing what kind of punishment he merits.
Ben has had ample opportunity to clean up his image and make sure he stays out of possibly compromising situations and has failed to do so.
His (and Santonio’s) actions are supposedly now going to cost the Steelers organization a 6 figure fine. I’m not going to condone his behavior or dismiss the incidents just because he is in a Steelers uniform (for the time being).
Seriously people, if Ben were the QB of any other team would any of you be so quick to jump to his defense? I don’t think so. Ben would have been tried and convicted faster than Ray Lewis or and Bengal has ever been.
He and his actions are a disgrace. I hope he is forced to sit for a year and required to clear up his pending civil suit in Reno and avoid any further incidents before he is allowed to play in the NFL again. A slap on the wrist 2-4 game suspension will not send a strong enough message.
It’s truly sad how many are rushing to his defense.
Good agruement
Even if he played for a different team, my judgement wouldn’t change.
There’s always room for people to change and if Ben is willing to get the help he apparently needs, then he deserves to stay as a Steeler. If he’s not willing to commit to the team, then yeah, he should go.
What Would Brian Boitano Do?
In the press conference
the DA stated there weren’t even any cameras in the area where this all took place!!! He said there were cameras in the front part of the club that did indeed show Ben and accuser both walk into the place. This notion of tapes being erased is total bullshit. There was no evidence to tape over in the first place.
'All you bitches, take my shots.'
~Alleged Big Ben Quote
I disagree
As I said in the other thread: It isn’t Tiger Woods — It’s OJ Simpson.
Tiger was a fool, but he wasn’t guilty of any crime.
People think that Ben has committed a crime and gotten away with it.
You cannot compare this to Tiger Woods.
As stated above
Adultery is a crime in Florida
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Tiger paid for sex
Sooooooo
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
S.P.
Dude where did you find that number?….on the water level!
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
I think Tiger is going to regret it as well when she gets his cash
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
yes but "people think" that
because the sports media has completely let innuendo take the place of actual facts.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
what
Bottom line is that this guy has not been criminally charged of anything!! I for one dont give a fuck what he does on his freetime as long as he is a good QB. Just like when Kordell was playin; I could care less if hes a cocksucker or not as long as he wins. I never watched Tiger Woods play golf and asked myself if he was cheatin on his wife; he’s a golfer!! Ben is a football player, not a guidance counsellor.The fact is that Goodell cant do a damn thing unless something is proven, and so far nothing has. Words dont amount to guilty without proof, and lets’ face it; there are alot of people out there willing to do or sya anything to get some cash.
Like I said OJ wasn't convicted either. That doesn't mean he didn't do it.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
Just ask yourself this wmd3.......
If this were your daughter or sister would you feel the same way? If the answer is yes then I question your values. If your answer is no then I would say you are a hypocrite.Either way you don’t look too good to me.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
if this was my daughter
I’d wonder what she was doing in a bar with a fake ID, and ending up with a BAC over twice the legal limit.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You speak the truth McBalls
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Just what hundreds of thousands of other college students were doing over the years
what she was doing in a bar with a fake ID, and ending up with a BAC over twice the legal limit.
Not to say as a father you shouldn’t be pissed, but this not atypical behavior for 18-20 year old college students.
A good poll might be “If you turned 18 after the national drinking age had already gone up to 18 (mid-late 70’s?), did you have a fake ID and get really drunk at a bar local to your school?”
ahh yes, so I'm a parent
and my child gives me the “but Davey was doing it too” argument.
Hmmm. What do I do in this case…?
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Our response to the
“but Davey was doing it too” argument was always that whatever Davey’s parents were okay with had nothing to do with what we were okay with. They had learned that it was a futile argument by about 3rd grade…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
My point wasn't "everybody's doing it, its ok"
My point really was, when you wrote that, I was thinking about when I had a fake ID in college and went and got slammed at bars local to my school. As a parent you don’t sit there and ask why? It seems like you are a step behind the situation by then if you are still confused by the why or what you were doing.
In some ways, it indicates the weakness of having a drinking age of 18, and why there are good arguments for teaching responsibility with alcohol instead of just hoping that being 3 years older will help (European attitudes in mind). But that’s another thread.
fail *he's not saying the drinking age is 18
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Not my point as well, didn't mean to imply he said that
If you are asking “what is my child doing in a bar with a fake ID, and ending up with a BAC over twice the legal limit when they are 20,” although I understand that it is a rhetorical question to some degree, its still the wrong question. Because if you don’t know the answer, or have an idea about it because you were there once too (Being 18-20 years old at one time, you might have an insight into what your values were like then and what you risk-assessment critieria were) then you are behind.
The implication with my writing about the drinking age waas that it could be agrued as being kind of a false standard of readiness. My point…..
You should know the answer to the what and why already, or you have been asleep at the switch, and on top of it, if they have gotten into deserved or undeserved trouble, it kind of goes back to your parenting although – important – sometimes the parent does all the right things and the kids just do what they want….to have fun, be social and socially accepted.
Sometimes do stupid things they tell stories of later and laugh about, and other things that they have to carry as an emotional and/or physical burden for the rest of their lives.
I agree with teaching responsibility
but the fact is, having a fake ID is illegal. And my opinion is that it’s also stupid. College kids can go to parties on any given weekend and drink underage without needing an ID (believe me, I remember). So why go and be extra stupid on top of that and carry around something that is evidence of a crime?
Being realistic about drinking means you know your kids might drink when they’re away in college. But you’ve got to hope you’ve taught them well enough to not be stupid about it. In any case, my original point was that this girl was clearly stupid about it. It doesn’t mean anyone is deserving of sexual assault or rape (and this is not a judgment of what happened that night), but still, as a parent I would be very disappointed in my child for putting themselves in that situation. It would be a separate issue from the anger I felt at the accused.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
My reason for doing it?
So why go and be extra stupid on top of that and carry around something that is evidence of a crime?
Because it was a step up from going to a keg party in some dumpy house and apartment, or on the cliffs in the dark above the Hudson river. It was seemingly more adult and ‘normal,’ the girls i was interested in went to the bars, it was status to have a good fake ID and be able go into any bar whenever you wanted and not because you got randomly lucky, it was a chance to be seen in the good bars and hopefully gain some coolness factor (pathetic, I know, but is this uncommon?)….and because my life experience was limited and I had no real appreciation of being held responsible for my actions after I turned 18.
Getting arrested? ‘not likely’ was what I thought. Have anything bad happen? Last thing on my mind.
what about this?
What is a 28 year old man, much less a multi-millionaire, doing in a college bar? What is he doing buying shots for and hitting on college girls? I believe the “man-law” squad put the statue of limitations at 25 years of age for creeping on college girls.
yes, what is a single man
doing in a bar on his birthday, trying to get some action? it boggles the mind!
by steely mcballs on Apr 17, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
absolutely
but a well adjusted single man, aged 28, goes to a bar that is primarily attended by young professionals – that’s normal. In 7s case, he goes to a college bar, and buys shots for co-eds – that’s creepy.
well we already know he's not well-adjusted
still I don’t need a fainting couch because a 28 year old bachelor was out on his birthday chasing tail.
by steely mcballs on Apr 17, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, there’s an important difference between chasing tail and chasing college tail. He’s a 28 year old multi-millionaire – he has no reason to be at a college bar. It’s creepy behavior.
There’s a term for guys that are in college and still go to HS parties. It also applies to young professionals that still hang out at college bars. It rhymes with “bruiser” and it starts with an “L”.
I’m all for Fat Ben going out with the boys to celebrate his birthday. Just so long as he stays away from the co-eds and the roofies.
If my daughters
faked IDs and got drunk at clubs on a Thursday night when I was paying for their education, they would have had a lot of ‘splainin’ to do, as Ricky Riccardo would have said. And then, IF they had been raped, I would have castrated the SOB myself…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair...
Thursday night is a big party night in colleges now. Kids schedule no Friday classes so they can get wasted and then drive home hungover on Friday.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If my daughters
had used their college years to get drunk and hang out in clubs, they would have had some ‘splainin’ to do. Whatever night of the week it was. Or my sons, either, for that matter…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the truth
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, there is an alternative purpose to college?
Derrp derrp
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
glad I wasn't one of your daughters!
cause that’s what I did in my college years…
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Then you should be glad
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, but how much did you actually learn?
I teach an upper level (senior/grad student) college course, and in my experience some students have actually learned something during their time there, and some students have managed to pass their courses. Sometimes even with good grades. But they haven’t learned squat…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
erm...
Does serving on the Board of Directors for the Copyright Council of New Zealand count? Because that’s one thing my learnin’ got me… I actually went as far as the first year of a Master’s program, but got a job offer “I couldn’t refuse” so I left school.
I’ll bet my highbrow user name threw you off ;-)
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
you actually learned something then. Good going!
Actually, your highbrow user name only makes me think “that must be uncomfortable” lol
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yea well I wasn't drunk ALL the time...
and it’s really only uncomfortable near large magnets
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't lighting storms
make you a wee bit nervous as well?
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
this is a joke right? thats all you do in college both men and women….get drunk all the time between studying. every weekend for four years they get butt drunk and most have unprotected sex. even your children. even if raised in church every sunday. they all do it and no parent will ever find out. ever.
unless they boink big ben
Ben is INNOCENT!
that
is an incorrect statement.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He
just needs to learn not to generalize things, I’ve never got drunk in college and my friend is still a virgin today, although he graduates this year… he took the extended stay college plan. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
It is a common logical fallacy to assume that “a whole lot” = “all.”
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
*sigh
really Hi5?
My friend went to NC State, 30,000+ kids. Still a virgin. there are plenty of people that go to that school that doesn’t have casual sex and get drunk. Sorry man, don’t generalize.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I beg to differ
and so would my children. And yes, they were raised in church, and more importantly, they personally chose to subscribe to what they were taught there. The fact that a great many people do something does not by extension mean that everybody does.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can make him a jump to conclusions map momma, but he does it so often I am not sure I could make one big enough
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He hogging it
so the rest of us can’t use it properly lol
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha really? i was there. i would walk in on people having sex all over in college dorms. i mean really? lol ok if you want to live in fantasy land i guess you can believe you have the only perfect college kids in the world. if it makes you happy
Ben is INNOCENT!
Hi5
did you go into every dorm room and know everyone at that college? If not then how can you make a statement like you did. No one is saying that no one did any of that. But we’re saying that everyone didn’t do that.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if you had been my mom i would have partied. No disrespect, just letting you know you can party plenty without splainim
by klompus on Apr 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That may be true
but you aren’t my kid.
Two of my children went to a university that I was working in, in the same department. They lived very near home, and I saw them all the time. I knew who they hung out with and what they were doing most of the time, not because I was snooping around, but because I could hardly help it. (You have to realize that musicians don’t have a ton of homework, but they do have a ton of rehearsals and concerts that occupy an awful lot of their non-class time.) I didn’t say they didn’t drink – we taught them the responsible use of alcohol at home. I’m not even saying that they might never have gotten drunk on very isolated occasions. But I have a pretty good idea what they were doing, and it wasn’t sleeping around and drinking.
My youngest went to a university a day’s drive away. He spent his spare time (what little he had of it in a very difficult program) in Campus Crusade activities. You may not be down with Campus Crusade, but they have a stellar reputation.
My other child married young, as she met a guy (at church) in Wales when working as an au pair, and they hit it off. Her first child was born 2 years later.
I understand that an awful lot of college students party. It’s just that not all of them do, and you can’t validly conclude that because most people’s kids do mine did as well.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to say that your children partied or imply that you were naive.
What is wrong with partying?
by klompus on Apr 16, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing
It’s fun.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends
on what you mean by ‘partying.’ I don’t see anything wrong with parties per se, as long as the time spent isn’t compromising the purpose for which you are supposed at school in the first place. But I don’t see the point of spending vast amounts of money on alcohol, getting totally hammered, and possibly doing a bunch of stupid stuff you may or may not remember later. Not to mention that you feel like crap the next day.
I went to plenty of parties in college, but I didn’t do drugs, I didn’t sleep around, and I essentially never drank to excess. I found that life was more interesting and comfortable that way, and I preferred talking to people who weren’t wasted. And this was the 70s. I fail to see that this is less possible now than then.
I’m not trying to come off as self-righteous but as pragmatic – sorry if it sounds like the former.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
People ‘party’ (ie get hammered) because its deemed cool and what you do to have a good time. Not because its smart. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry to break it to you rollett but the LAST thing you will ever find out about is sex and your college kids.
you are being nieve if you believe anything they told you in that regards.
Ben is INNOCENT!
you are judging momma and her relationship with her kids based on no knowledge at all
the same thing happened to BB, except we have what knowledge the media has given us, and that judging has led to WAY TOO MANY posts
Things can always be worse....
You don't know
what kind of relationship they have. I’ve told my mom I’ve had sex. We’re close like that.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't tell my mom
After I got married she said where did that kid come from…I know you aren’t having sex. I said no we adopted.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Hi5
since you are obviously privy to sources of knowledge that the rest of us don’t have, then maybe you can clear something up for me that’s been bugging me for a long time. Who really killed JFK?
Please send information asap
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Gumby did it
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
That makes perfect sense.
I hate that SOJB (Son of a Jelly Bean)
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 19, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
bwahahahaha
Pokey was the second gunman
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If one of my "hypothetical" daughters did something like
death may just be instantanious
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you are finding a way to judge the other posters?
Values, hypocrite… fairly strong words from someone willing to toss out accusations without backing them up with factual evidence not reliant on a self-conception they seem to have formed of themselves as the leader of whatever new church Sun Myung Moon will be starting…
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Of course I am judging other posters - hello
The same way you are judging me. I repeat, if he would feel the same way if it were his daughter or sister I question his values. If he wouldn’t then I find this to be hypocritical. Do you guys agree that as long as he is a great QB nothing else matters?
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
No, I do not agree with that
In my opinion, whether or not he is allowed to do his job post-suspension depends on his being a good QB. Whether or not I cheer for him as I did before or buy his memorabilia is something else that I am weighing up at the moment, so far to the negative.
And, if I am judging you, then turnabout is fairplay… though it seems that my purpose in doing so was effective.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
When that shoe's on the other foot...
Jungle John, you ask what we’d think if the woman were our sister or daughter. Fair enough. Would you feel any different if it was your brother in Ben’s situation? Full investigation with no charges at all, yet many people want to rake him over the coals? Might you be a little more supportive of him and a little less likely to assume the worst in that case?
+1
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I can honestly say that if he were my brother
I would do all I could to help him get the help he needed but that would begin with coming to terms with the truth, and doing all he could to repair the damage he had done so he can start rebuilding his life. I wish the same for Ben. No I would not desert him a he is my brother and I would protect him as much as I could but I would also urge him to come clean and admit to his transgressions. There is a limit as to how much i would protect him even if there isn’t a limit to my love for him. I don’t think Ben has done that. Once he confesses his guilt he can ask forgivness and the healing process can begin. Even without a criminal conviction, if Ben were my brother, I would still be aware that he behaved in a pretty reprehensible manner and I wouldn’t just let him off the hook I would urge him to get some help with an obvious psycological problem for his own good..
Hey, this is not a Bengals Steelers thing at all. I hope you believe that.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
so you would believe
a gold digger, a .20 BAC fake ID sorority girl, and a 16 year old who said it happened to his friend’s sister (even though she refused to say it herself), over your brother.
Glad I’m not your brother.
This premise that all these cases are the same (or that they all even happened) is ridiculous. Granted, Ben has a problem and a brother should make him confront it. But he’s supposed to confess “his guilt”? Welcome to JungleJohn America, my friends, where accusation = guilt.
by steely mcballs on Apr 17, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I am glad you are not my brother too
So now she is a gold digger? What proof do you have of that? Hypocritical, just a bit, don’t you think? Obviously you are too in love with Ben to see the pattern. I suppose you think denial is just a river in Egypt.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
Give me a break
So Ben dropped his pants and then a WEEK later she went to a party at his house. Please.
She liked what she saw I guess
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
but she didn't give it a chance
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s like novacain, give it time, it always works.
by Larrybob8187 on Apr 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not
what she said
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit
I can see Ben dropping his pants as per the story.
I can’t see the woman complaining about him putting his hand up her skirt when she shows up at his house afterwards. This is a non starter. I am not very happy with Ben but this is nonsense as it is being reported.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
If he had sex with her why was there so little DNA?
It’s crazy because the media is only focusing on Ben’s indiscretions and not the girl. I honestly do not believe Ben sexually assaulted this girl but he still deserves to be punished for his irresponsible and reckless behavior.
It’s crazy because he is so private about his personal life and now all this stuff is coming out. I know Ben is a little slow but he and his family has to be extremely embarrassed right now.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
wrong story...
we are now discussing hand up skirt story
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait....this isn't the same girl who accused him of sexual assault?
Oh my God! This is crazy. I don’t think I can take much more.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
relax
this one is a non starter. Some Ben is a juvenile twit but nothing more.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
God, I can't imagine what his father must feel like
Up till a month or so ago, Ken probably went to work, talking about how much he’s proud of Ben.
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
One thing after another
This sh*t is never going to end. Everytime he steps out of his house, some random woman is going to yell “rape!”
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
Not true
Only if he steps out of his house in Las Vegas or Georgia. They should rewrite his contract to ban him from entering those two places…. And, yes, no Falcons games… too risky.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
I can't believe an of this anymore
At somepoint doesn’t some say that these people are just making shit up to get paid
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Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
concerning the second allegation...
This is reported in the AP from Atlanta:
“Georgia Bureau of Investigation documents released Thursday show that after the most recent accusation surfaced, a 16-year-old in a youth law enforcement program told authorities he knew about incidents involving Roethlisberger and a friend’s sister”
Seriously? A 16 year old in a law enforcement program “knows” about incidents with a friend’s sister? And now it’s posted as another incident? They haven’t interviewed anyone involved, just this 16 year old.
Copy and paste the following link to see the whole report: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_steelers_roethlisberger
Good God...
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
link to GBI report
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10106/1050964-66.stm?cmpid=sports.xml
5 words you may never hear.."Bungals win the Super Bowl"
How many more of these things are going to come out now?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
I am sympathetic to all of you Steeler fans who are Ben apologists
To see the hero of your franchise who you all admire unmasked as a sexual predator must be difficult. OJ wasn’t convicted either but is there anyone here who doesn’t believe he did it? If so you are delusional.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous"
You are teetering a fine line of trolling
If you are here to incite ugly fights you will be dismissed. We do not need that around here. Especially, considering how everyone is on edge here.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It actually is my name too
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Whenever we go out...
It seems to me people always shout…
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
JungleJohnJacobJingleHeimerSmith
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
DAADADADADADADADADDA
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if it is, I'll start the next bit -
1000 bottles of beer on the wall
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
JungleJohnJacobJingleHeimerSmith
His name is my name too…
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
Dude, give it a rest
We do not all agree with your assessment. He isn’t a “hero,” he’s just a guy that plays football. If you are looking for heroes, try someone you actually know rather than some sports figure you’ve never met.
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
The amount of and lack thereof evidence makes them difference
*repsonse to Junglejohn’s post @ 12:04
Things can always be worse....
Ladies and Gentlemen I give you......
DENNIS DIXON!
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
So you jumped to that square?
Nice jump
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hop Scotch
I’m awesome at it.
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
I posted earlier about how.
Ben was soliciting prostitution here at a club in charlotte…..none of this surprises me at all. He is way out of control with little Ben and needs to be more discreet about his sexual encounters.
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
All I can say is...
The scwarts is strong with him…. LoL
You're Next!
by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I am still trying to figure out who the hell would even have sex with Roflsburger.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
you mean
Ben Rapes-a-Cheesburger? Hes portraying himself as a fat rapist…he needs the mustache back and some kick-ass coke bottle glasses and he’;s all set. The mullet was a nice touch.
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
This is all a big misunderstanding
He is preparing for role as a method actor in the upcoming made-for-TV Ron Jeremy biopic. As with most things, Ben is very committed to his craft.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
I wish
that he would be that committed to his workouts – just sayin’ He’s going to get Cowher’s old nickname pretty soon, only plural…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Chins
lol
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahhaha
He’s still got about 80lbs and 90 more assult charges to go to really understand the role!
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
He looked like John Wayne Gacey during his press conference.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
One of the most vile serial killers in history may be a bit of a stretch however, I think BR has issues he needs to address for his own good and the good of his future w/ the Steelers.
You're Next!
by thatguy011071 on Apr 17, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Chris Hansen needs to have a sit down with Bennigans.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Do you wanna explain yourself?
Why don’t you go ahead and have a seat….Look…your naked….There’s a 15 year old girl…your chasing a cat around and you have cool whip….what the hell is going on?
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Ben when he walks in: “Hey Billy, I brought Ice Cream!”
Chris Hanson comes in: “Please take your penis out of the Ice Cream and have a seat”
" I am Chris Hanson from Dateline NBC, did you bring condoms"
Ben: “Yes, I uhhhh…..always carry them in case I need to put my rings in them and hide them”
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
hahaha
Chris Hanson: What are you doing here today Ben?
Ben: Ummm i’m just here to talk to her about the dangers of internet stalkers
Chris Hanson: did you bring the wine coolers?
Ben: yes but they are for me
Chris Hanson: Well I have the transcript and in it says you wanna put your blank in her blank and pour maple syrup on the floor and use it as a slip n slide while she yoddles and throws ninja stars at you…what kind of person does that to a 14 year old?
Ben: Ummmm uhhhhhhh ummmmmmm “DON’T HAVA SEX WIT DA GURLLLS IN DA BAAATTHHEEEROM”
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
by maletvette on Apr 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol at SP ref
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
glad someone caught it!
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
that was great
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Title of thread should be “Big Ben Exposed”
im just sayin
kinda funny stuff they are releasing now. And there it is in black and white. she did not remember what happened that night in the bathroom at the club.
seriously how many women a year get so fricking drunk at clubs they cant see straight then have sex. Its 1+1 …..its gonna happen. yet they keep doing it. and if the guy is rich then its not ok. unless they get a million dollars. then its ok again. unless the guy is broke and gets her pregnant.
then its your parents and thank god they had drunk sex or we wouldnt be here…..
life….
gotta love it
Ben is INNOCENT!
Does
Anybody here find it a little strange that people are coming out all of the sudden after Ben was cleared of the charges? had they came out before the ruling, I’m sure Ben would have been f*cked.
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
happens all the time
Ask Tiger
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
It's still going on
Poor Tiger. Poor Benny.
Life as a celeberity.
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
This Just In
B.B. is reported by a source close to some guy somewhere to have actually been contaminating the worlds food supply with fattening elements….It is now common knowledge amongst insiders that B.B. is also responsible for the worlds obesity problem. After his EEEEE-val plan is put into action, he goes out and kills a kitten with a bow and arrow….but this is no regular bow and arrow…he has the exploding tip’s like the ones Rambo uses. After that, he fakes a holocaust, reports a UFO and drinks the blood of a goat.
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Rocky.....ROOAAAAAD!
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
HEEEEYYYYYY YOUUUUU GUYYYSSSSSSS!
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Drop!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
I don’t think Rocky would like this analogy. He has no history of issues w/ woman. LoL
You're Next!
by thatguy011071 on Apr 17, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
This is an honest assessment from a Bengals fan,
and I’m trying to be as unobjective as I can be here. Your QB seems like a piece of shit. Yeah, I understand that he is presumed innocent as no charges are being filed, but he still has his liberty and based on the “facts” given by the DA, he should be damn grateful for that. Assuming that the DA’s office gave the investigation it’s due diligence, and the story of that night that was presented at the press conference was credible, I think most reasonable people can say that it is highly likely that Big Ben’s actions were totally out of line.
That said, I see this as a reflection of Big Ben himself, and not the Steelers as a franchise. What class Ben lacks, the Rooneys make up for in spades. Of course I hate your team and hope you lose every game this coming season, but I can’t take that from you guys – the Rooneys are a class act. I would recommend cutting this piece of trash before he drags your organization’s reputation and chemistry down with him, but I think you all can and probably do have confidence that the team’s ownership will make the right call.
Thanks for the support
But at least he’s not Jake Delhomme…..ZING!
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Thanks
So when we beat your sorry behinds this year you’ll know you’ve been beaten by a lump of poo.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what, and let the Bengals win the division
so you can lose the first game of the playoffs every year?
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i know
what a waste of a division tittle….what a way to romo it up
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Hahahahahaha!!
I was pretty pissed at that. Going 6-0 in the hardest Division is one thing, but choking against the Jets AT HOME was horrid. If I was a Bengals fan, I’d be embarrassed
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
They don't get embarrassed because
they are used to it
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess if my team's QB was a borderline sexual predator at best,
and a full-fledged rapist at worst, I would want to talk about something else too.
So let’s go that route. Your team just lost arguably your best WR and are in the midst of a full blown QB controversy, while we have essentially the same team that beat yours twice last year. What makes you think you’ll beat us now? Have fun getting swept by the Browns.
Well said
I think though with a guy like Troy back playing 100% and Aaron Smith it’ll be a little bit harder to score on us, but its not like those guys are good.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Don’t make rational points to him!
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
if almost everyone BUT the QB on my team
had a criminal record… I’d be a bungles fan.
what you’re doing is called “concern trolling”. we’re talking about it plenty here, if you didn’t notice.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course you want him cut from our team
It would only help your team.
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
If this is going to be as much of a locker room distraction
as it has the potential to be, he’s already helped my team enough.
By august
it will have died down, believe American’s attention span aren’t that long.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
we feel the same way about your QB mr. bungles fan. at least our qb isnt a whiner that cant win a single lombardi….
Ben is INNOCENT!
Whiner?
Care to elaborate?
When all is said and done, which of ours will be the fanbase that knowingly coughs up money that supports a guy whose bodyguards escorted a black-out drunk girl to have sex with him in a club bathroom?
You can't prove that
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The DA didn't believe it enough
to charge him.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, the same DA
who held a press conference about himself. I think he eventually got to saying no charges would be pressed.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
most DA's are
because it’s a political job. It was his opportunity to introduce himself to the electorate.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You realize witness recounts are not fact, right?
People have claimed to have seen UFOs before.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Blackout? How could she recall the events to tell the police if she was blacked out?
Get your facts straight and stop making ignorant comments.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
this whole thing could be some reverie of a drunken stupor. We don’t know which is why I don’t understand why this crap is being shot out like their facts.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Facts? We don't need no steekin facts!
Don’t remember the movie
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
So why was she not charged with underage drinking?
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
Right
so how can you base an opinion off of an inebriated person beyond the point of being able to have cognitive recollection. If she doesn’t even remember then how can you take what ‘thinks’ as facts?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think she's the only person
who was consulted in this investigation? I said in my original post, “assuming that the DA’s office gave the investigation it’s due diligence”. If that’s not the case, then yeah it’s completely a moot point.
Well
if the DA’s office gave the investigation it’s due diligence and couldn’t find enough evidence to even charge a crime. Then I think we should do the same.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Its our law
and its written like that for a reason, to avoid ‘public opinion’ trails. Its not perfect but its what we have.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a totally valid point,
but really not applicable to this conversation. I’m not suggesting that we have a “public opinion” trial. I’m saying that in my opinion, he probably did something extremely questionable. The DA was obviously of the same opinion – he just didn’t feel that it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
But your opinion IS public opinion
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
Yes it is.
And I’m completely entitled to advertise it in whatever forum I wish, as long as I identify it as what it is – opinion, conjecture, etc.
Well
not exactly, if you believe there is a bomb on the plane, and there isn’t you’d get into a lot of trouble advertising your opinion that there was a bomb on the plane. IE, When you come on a steelers blog with an opinion about a steelers players that isn’t grounded in fact, expect some negative feedback. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad
we can have a sensible conversation about this. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh well
he may have done something exteremely questionable, we don’t know that. So we can’t act is if we don’t. That is all I am saying. I’m not trying to take ben’s side, I just can’t stand that we don’t respect our laws enough that we don’t circumvent them with our opinion and statements. If the DA really believe a law was broken, he should have pressed charges and continued the investigation. Thats my opinion. I don’t think he believe a law as broken that’s why it was quick for him to make a decision. But he did want to use a national platform to gain national exposure.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
I still think you guys were a little bit reactionary given the content of my first post, but even I’m sick of hearing about this issue and bad news for the Steelers is always good news for me.
To restate my original point – my very biased opinion is that Ben’s more likely a scumbag than not, and that the Rooneys would probably ultimately make the right decision in dealing with him, whatever that decision may be.
yes, reactionary
making fun of the bungles is a natural reaction for us.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yelling bomb on a plane again I see
lol as you wish. :) I have no opinions about Ben. Don’t know him and never will. I just know he plays football for a team I like.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but that's exactly the point
the police spent all this time interviewing people and couldn’t get enough evidence for the DA to make a case. Except for Ben himself, no one – I repeat, no one – knows exactly what happened in that bathroom, including possibly the accuser with her blood alcohol level being twice the legal limit.
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So is it possible then that she made the irrational decision of claiming it was rape when it was not when she talked to the police?
Your logic is faulty.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
At the end of the day… At least my quarterback isn’t carson palmer.
by klompus on Apr 16, 2010 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think if the Rooney’s could, they would have traded him already but the excessive baggage he brings and his contract make that a tough sell.
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by thatguy011071 on Apr 17, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, so close
According to the documents obtained by the AJC through Georgia’s open records laws, the allegation stated Roethlisberger dropped his pants and told the woman she “could do whatever she wants.”
If she had just kicked him in the balls right there and then… none of this would have happened!
She didn't because she wanted some
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
egg zack lee
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
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"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
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"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Don't do waves on front page articles
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
especially ncoolong's
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
is there a dislike button here?
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
This isn't facebook
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I get them so confused
“i’m about to go to chick-fila and eat a yummy sandwhich, then its off to the tanning bed and then red rocks for some tasty beverages! call the cell if you wanna come!”
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Chicken sammich sounds good
But I don’t need a tanning bed. :)
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
With all of the sh*t going around
I just hope Ben realizes how stupid he is and finally gets his sh*t together.
"Wow! That's a low price."
"I KNOW!"
Aw, c'mon, Ben's just a free spirit,
probably woke up one morning and it looked so nice out he decided to leave it out all day.
My heros have always been Steelers...
lol
but in that case he needs to go somewhere that it isn’t considered public indecency…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Elliot Spitzer house?
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Just airing it out
Nothing to see here
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Runnin it through the car wash
and air dryin that shit.
'All you bitches, take my shots.'
~Alleged Big Ben Quote
“Walking the dog” so to speak? Do you think he had a leash on ‘lil burger’?
You're Next!
by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not at home
we aren’t the browns ya know
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
don't know why but I thought that said "mixed erection"
for a moment…
by steely mcballs on Apr 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Would that be like half way or something? Or maybe, not really sure you want to get one?
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by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends
If we are 0-2 or 0-4 at that point…you might actually hear applause. Fans are fickle.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted Ginn to Niners by the way
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
For a 5th round pick
Nice job Rooneys
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
was it?
I thought I saw a report that said Ginn and the Dolphins 4th for the Niners’ 2nd.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
really?
I think the 49er’s got had then. I am not a Ginn fan and wouldn’t have been willing to give over a 7th round for him. Could explain why I don’t work in an NFL head office.
And then we all woke up!
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We could have just sent one of our 5ths over there
It then (after the dust settles) would be a former OSU WR for a former OSU WR in the end.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Sending one of our fifths over there
could get us in trouble if any of them are underage… Just sayin’
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 16, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Naw they don't care in Miami as long as they don't go missing
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Easy on the grass this weekend
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That is probably out of the question. I dont care if ben raped a whole girl scout troop for a box of thon mints, i just wish a decision would be made and some football would get here so that a big fat rapist and some tard giving a bad name to pot on twitter can stop ruining one of te best places to talk with ceaseless bland garbage posts about rehashed and hashed some more shit
by klompus on Apr 16, 2010 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow typos. And forgive me for the namecalling. Just delete if its a bit too much :)
by klompus on Apr 16, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree with you, i wish we could get back to football
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on Apr 16, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
lol i know its wrong but lol
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What is that supposed to mean ahah?
by klompus on Apr 16, 2010 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s going to be a long off season.
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by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My sense of humor
is a bit twisted sometimes. Thats all it means.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How come his hand isn’t going up that skirt?
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by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
this is in reference to the previous rape charge in georgia
i honestly didnt even read what this thread what about beyond making sure it dealt w/ ben raping/sexual assaulting women…proven or not.
Great quote from a FAN on Pittsburgh Post Gazette on a trade for Ben:
“Oh that’s a ridiculous question,” Steven Bartlow said. “No. You don’t cut your foot off because you tripped over a rock. You just learn where to step next week.”
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
So who’s ready to fight for a playoff spot with Dixon at the helm?
When is the draft anyway?
I have a feeling there are a lot more girls out there. You don’t just one day pull this crap, I’d bet this is often how he acts. I’ve seen this crap in college, it happens. But if he’s still doing it. . .
I am beginning to want him gone. I love the way he plays, but I don’t know if I can cheer for him anymore. I want to be able to move past this for the team, but I think I’d rather lose the division than contend with him as our star. This whole thing just sucks.
If you have kids, do you really want them looking up to him? Or trying to explain what is going to them if they should ask? I wouldn’t and I don’t.
You're Next!
by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for the Steelers and Ben to part ways
Before I make my point, we did NOT win the first Super Bowl in spite of Ben. He torched the Broncos and played a flawless first half against a HEAVILY favored Colts team to get us there. In the super bowl he ran for a TD and converted a 3rd and 26 with a pass down to the goal line to Hines Ward in typical Big Ben fashion. However, I can’t root for him anymore. At this point I’d take the Rams 2nd (33rd overall and something next year). Trade him to Buffalo, Jacksonville, St Louis or Seattle get one good pick this year and something next year and let’s move on. It won’t feel as gratifying beating down the Bengals and Ravens if we know and they know our QB’s is a lowlife. We can try to ignore it but deep down we all know how it will be next year on these message boards. The ONLY way I can see us salvaging Big Ben in Pittsburgh is if the team suspends him the ENTIRE 2010 season. If he comes back humble in 2011 people will feel like he at least was punished to some degree and be more likely to move on. I’m more than willing to go through a few bumps rebuilding than to be ashamed of my Steelers. If you’re not, I don’t know what to tell you…
I hear you man. Loud and clear.
You're Next!
by thatguy011071 on Apr 16, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Homeward Bound
This is has all been very entertaining but I am going home for the day. Have fun.
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Problem is
The other incident mentioned was reported by the alleged victims brother. Not a witness to the event but reports “my sister told me this happened.” Did the sister refuse to talk to police I am sure they would have wanted to interview her to build the pattern of behavior thing. Ben better just settle McNulty he can’t win now civil cases don’t need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. He needs everyone to stop talking about all this. Anyone who reads this and knows BBR better make sure he understands that regardless of the financial hit and the amount it will hurt the team he will not survive another incident of any kind. Personally I think he needs a suspension for the entire season. If he gets suspended 4 games and we go 1-3 and are in the hole it will create a bad situation in the locker room. Tell him he takes the suspension or we trade him to Oakland for a towel boy no legal challenges or appeals of the suspension.
This must stop anyone less than a franchise QB would be history black white or green with yellow dots. His position and his contract are the only things saving is a** right now not his race.
Well
the team can’t suspend him for the entire season and that would be unprecedented and unwarranted. You get 1 season for being charged of several crimes. Even convicted of crimes. but I’ve never seen anyone suspended for 1 season because they were accused of a crime. thats beyond rediculous. You know the type of black mail these players are under, ‘If you don’t do this I’m going to accuse you of _______ and you’re going to loose a year worth of pay". The players might as well stay in their houses all day everyday unless it has something to do with the team because its not safe out here with people accusing and others suggesting outlandish disciplinary actions.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 16, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is better for the locker room
2 4 or 6 games with a losing record makes for a bad locker room environment when he returns. 1-3 start most likely ruins the season starts a locker room divide that continued losing will only make worse as the season wears on. Things can become heated to the point that it may become beyond overcoming. With a full year suspension The players go out do their best and next year is a new season. While I agree the league should not suspend him for the season the Rooney’s are well within their right to do so. The main problem I see is they signed a lot of one year type things to take one more shot at it before we might be headed to a rebuilding period. If I were the Rooney’s I would tell him he sits for a year and accepts it or we trade him to the Raiders.
This has gone beyond the realm of total innocence and false accusations were there is smoke there is fire. Where I felt McNulty was a loon I now feel that her actions after may have been a coping mechanism people do strange things to cope and no one handles things the same as anyone else. Maybe to be able to function she had to convince her self that it was something real and not an assault. She then became unable to hold onto that illusion when he returned to town and didn’t contact her.
At best he, maybe only when he drinks, is a brute and doesn’t show women the proper respect at worst the accusations are true but unprovable.
by thefirst3peat on Apr 16, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No you don't get it
The maximum amount of games that a team can suspend a player is 4 games. at least that was what was said on ESPN radio.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 17, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion
I was born and bred in PA. Went to college in the Burgh and bleed black & gold. Now live in Chicago. And I was just wondering, have you all lost your bleeping minds over there? We went 25 years without a great QB. There would be no Sixburgh with Ben. We’d still be begging for one for the thumb. Sure, he has displayed some immature and embarrassing behavior, but how about a little patience? A little support? He worth the investment as a QB. Isn’t he worth the investment as a person. Please, can everyone get off their moral soap box now, take a deep breath and relax?
He got it after McNulty from us
In return we expect him to not put us as fans in a position of defending him again. Some things in this incident are beyond questioning. He was partying drinking and did enter a bathroom with a very drunk girl he did not know. Even if she consented is that something anyone can approve of? Will you raise your sons to say hey it is ok to have sex with a girl that is drunk beyond her ability to make a choice? I have had women I knew be drunk and make passes at me when I knew they never would have if they had been sober I never acted on those incidents it is not right to take advantage of a woman in that condition unless there is some sort of preexisting relationship there.
by thefirst3peat on Apr 16, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Immature and embarrassing behavior?
If that’s how you feel of what he’s accused of doing…then I don’t know what to tell ya.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 16, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
i mean whether you believe he is guilty or not you gotta pretty much agree there is some immaturity there and this situation is embarrassing.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 17, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The next post should be on whether or not Dennis Dixon is ready for the spotlight. Even if Ben is just suspended for a few games, this could be a major impact on the season. I think that Jeff Garcia is still looking for work. He’s not the greatest but he’s a gamer…and we’ve gotten to the super bowl with Neal O’Donnell, so who knows.
I am sure that I am going to reiterate several points made already, but it seems obvious to me that Ben is very much guilty of making poor decisions, but that is about all. Lets not forgot that he is counter-suing in the civil suit for the first accusation against him. Because he was very much in the spotlight for that allegation – an allegation that also had no proof associated with it – it could COULD be the reason why all these other claims are also coming forth, which would just lend credence and credibility to his pending counter-suit. These young women are meeting Ben in places late at night that serve alcohol (and lets not blame Ben for giving them alcohol, it is the establishments responsibility to make sure this kind of thing does not happen, for all we know, she could have told Ben she was old enough, I doubt he would check). We all need to understand that being young and intoxicated can lead to stupid behavior (anyone ever see a girls gone wild video?). It is a very real possibility that these young women are putting themselves in poor situations, regretting it, and setting forth allegations. They think “Gee, Ben has been accused of this, this, and this before, maybe he did do something to me that I didn’t want.” Remember, there is no proof of any wrong doing by Ben in any situation, its always just hearsay and accusation. And, about him exposing himself to someone, come on. He exposes himself, makes lewd comments, she is appalled, but still shows up to a party a week later and then tells her father, but no charges are brought forth. Let me take a wild guess as to why…..No proof, just hearsay and accusation. Stop vilifying Ben, there is no proof of anything. All this being said, dude needs a steady girlfriend desperately.
how many behind Tiger Woods is he?
crap I bet the Rooney’s never sign a long term contract again. Who needs a QB that would be willing to over look this and take on his salary? The Bengals? This just proves that today’s athletes have no respect for the franchise’s tradition that they play for. If the league wants to change this b.s. then come contract time make sure that legal problems makes a contract null and void.
He is way behind Tiger but you know how Ben can rally in the last minute. Don’t count him out.
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by thatguy011071 on Apr 17, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all bullshit.
And the Steelers are letting events control them instead of the way it should be.
Ben needs to make a sincere public apology and pledge to mend his ways. Then everyone just needs to move on. And I’m not buying that there aren’t at least 30 NFL teams who would jump through hoops to get BB on their team. Just more bullshit from the usual sources.
What..?
How many times does Ben apologize and then continue his juvenile actions?
I say, as a lifelong Steelers fan, plus a Rooney family admirer, it’s time to deal Ben and move on…
I for one have had enough…
Some things in life are far more important then a football game…
Steelers 6 rings, Wildcats 7 Banners..!! Winning never gets old...!!!!
Just wrong on so man ylevels. Take the blinders off.
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by thatguy011071 on Apr 18, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Time To Move On
Mr. Rooney, The Steelers have built their brand and by doing things the right way. When we cut Plaxico and Bam Morris, they were cut when they demonstrated bad personal judgement before their personal problems got significantly worse, which they always do. (Santonio seems to fit this mold, so we will see what happens next for him with the Jets.)
Unless, you want “Rapistberger” knock-off jerseys being worn with the steeler logo on the Streets of Pittsburgh and the prospect of Heinz field booing its own offense (or at least its own QB), do the right thing. Get what you can for him, but make sure Rapistberger never wears the Steeler Jersey again. (Al Davis and the Raiders might be interested.)
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