Draft Implications if we trade Big Ben
I know almost everyone is sick of discussing Ben's actions, and the consequences there of, but I'm going to try to look at the silver lining in the only way I know how, with regards to the draft. Far some of use Ben is worth a king's ransom. After all, he's a 2-time Super bowl winning QB in the prime of his career. But in light of recent events, especially with his suspension, it's unlikely that we'll get the same kind of deal that Denver got for Jay Cutler from Chicago. In addition to QB Kyle Orton Denver received a 1st and a 3rd round pick in 2009 as well as a 1st round pick in 2010. ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported that there are two teams with top 10 picks that have interest in trading for Ben as well as another mystery team. Below we will look at the potential suitors for Ben services and what we hope to get in return.
1. Oakland Raiders:
It's no secret that Al Davis was trying to trade for Donovan McNabb before he was sent to the Redskins. Even though he won't admit it publicly, Al's got to be tired of waiting on JaMarcus Russell to turn into the stud that he thought he would be. The Raiders organization has never been shy about acquiring players with character issues in the past. Oakland's also not shy about giving up anything for a player they think will help their team. Unfortunately for us they have already given up their 2011 1st round pick to the New England Patriots in the Richard Seymour deal. Oakland was the most likely candidate willing to surrender two 1sts in any deal for Ben. Something that would make most Steelers fan happy is what Al Davis was willing to deal for McNabb, which is All-pro Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. Apparently the Eagles were unwilling to deal with Asomugha's 10mil a year contract. Would the Steelers? Ben is 5 years older than McNabb so conceivably we could get Oakland's 2010 1st round pick (8th overall) and Asomugha. If the team is willing to take on his enormous contract then that would solve our biggest immediate need draft wise and allow us to focus on other areas. With the 8th pick in the upcoming draft our options would boil down to two players as far as I could see it. The first is everyone's dream pick, Eric Berry. Could you imagine a defensive backfield with Nnamdi Asomugha and Ike Taylor as the starting Cornerbacks, and Troy Polamalu and Eric Berry manning the Safety positions? Teams wouldn't be able to throw against us. And to add to that we would still have the 18th pick to play with as well in which case I would definitely turn our attention to Mike Iupati. With Dennis Dixon at the helm in his first full year we would definitely need to re-establish a commitment to the running game to win games. The other player would be Jimmy Clausen, but that would only be in the event that the team does not have faith in Dennis Dixon as a long-term starter. A lot of people don't like Clausen, and I have to admit my own bias against all Notre Dame QB's, but he doesn't deserve a majority of the flack he's recieved from the like of ESPN's Todd McShay. Some people like to compare him to Brady Quinn but the only similarities between the two are that they played at the same school. Clausen is incredibly more accurate, posting a 68% completion percentage, and very tough after playing most of the past season with a toe injury. He's also been labeled as having poor leadership qualities which has ben refuked by his teammates numerous times. Personally I would much rather take Berry and see what Dixon can do.
The Bills are the other team reportedly interested in acquiring Big Ben. Fortunately they have a 2011 first round pick to add to a deal for him. If we were hunting for draft picks then this would be the team to deal with as they hold the 9th pick in this years draft, and due to their perpetual rebuilding mode, will probably have a top 15 pick in next years draft. Even with Ben at the helm I doubt they'll do much in the coming season which would bode well for us in the 2011 draft. With an early pick in next year's draft I would be a lot more comfortable with letting Dennis Dixon lead the offense and seeing where the teams lies with him next year. The 2011 draft will have a lot of quality QB's in it, provided that all of the top shelf underclassmen declare, and I really do want to give dixon a chance. Next years prize in my eyes is Arkansas' Ryan Mallett, a strong-armed QB with proto-typical size. But there's also Washington's Jake Locker, Stanford's Andrew Luck, and Delaware's Pat Devlin. With Buffalo's 2010 pick I would still want the team to target Eric Berry, but Joe Haden would have to come into play here as well. The unfortunate part about Buffalo's rebuilding mode is that they may not part with a second 1st round pick because they have so many holes to fill. It's more likely that they would trade us their 1st, 3rd, and a combination of later round picks. With the extra 3rd rounder (72 overall) we could target Ole. Miss OG John Jerry. A third option is that we take their 1st, 5th, and a quality player. There's really only a couple of players on the Bills roster that I would consider taking. Both of them are DB's in CB Leodis McKelvin and S Jairus Byrd. I doubt Buffalo would give them both to us but for a starting QB of Ben's caliber I'm sure they would part with one of them.
The best of the rest:
There several other teams they may or may not be looking for a QB in the draft, but there are only small handful of teams I think would even consider trading for Ben. The exclusions would be:
1. The Cleveland Browns
For multiple reason I don't think the Browns would seriously consider trading for Ben. First off, the Steelers wouldn't trade him to a division rival. Secondly, they are in a rebuilding mode and I think they would prefer to draft a long-term solution to the QB issues.
2. The San Fransisco 49ers
I think they could have interest in Ben but without GM I don't think they would pull of any type of big trade. Of course, seeing as how badly that franchise was run by the owners before they had a GM it wouldn't surprise me. They do have 2 first round picks and former #1 overall pick Alex Smith is in the final year of his deal.
3. The Seattle Seahawks
The Seahawks also have 2 first round picks and a need for a franchise QB as Hasselback is not getting any younger and has a long injury history.Who knows how Coach Carroll is going to play his first draft, he may be willing to deal a few picks.
4. The St. Louis Rams
They reportedly have no interest in trading for Roethlisberger.
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IF
IF this is going to come down, and IF this raiders deal is possible, then that is the way to go.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Well I personally I’m in favor of the Bills 2 1st round picks. That way we could trade up a couple spots to get Berry, and take Iupati at 18 to shore up the O line. We play Dixon for a year and if he doesn’t work out we use the Bills 2011 pick to draft a QB. If he does work out we use it on one of the top tier WR’s like Michael Floyd or John Baldwin. Who knows, the Bills could bottom out completely and we could wind up with A.J. Green, and still have our own 2011 pick to get someone like OSU DE Cameron Heyward or a RT if we don’t resign Colon long-term.
Riddle me this batman (lol)
What does Oakland do with Jamarcus AND Ben on the roster?
I don’t think a trade with Oakland is possible. Al Davis is not that crazy. I know Oakland was rumored to be interested in McNabb but, I’m betting there was more than one reason the deal didn’t go down.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
I think he would cut Russell. Russell’s a lazy fat@ss. Don’t forget he cut DeAngelo Hall 6 games into his big mega contract, which effectively means he paid Hall 8 million dollars for 6 games of work.
True
I still don’t think Davis would be willing to swallow Jamarcus contract.
Honestly, I see a scenario up there you don’t mention:
Ben to KC for #5 and Cassell
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Apr 21, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Cassell’s an awful QB, and I don’t think Pioli is man enough to admit it was a bad signing on his part yet.
He did well in NE
KC not so much, but, what does KC have as far as OL and offensive weapons?
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Apr 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, how about the situation of a 3 way trade
Maybe we trade Ben to a QB needy team like the Cardinals (we know Whizz would love him) the Cards send Fitz to somewhere such as SF and SF sends us 2 first round picks?
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
LaCanfora reported that AZ has zero interest
Whiz and Ben not close. Whiz has class.
by syrsteelerfan on Apr 21, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think Whiz recognized fairly early...
That Ben was Ben… on the field I mean.
A great player who has accomplished a lot for sure, but very little progress as a player in terms of fine tuning his game.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
guess a 100 passer rated leaves lots to be desired!
by nycsteelerfan on Apr 21, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No it doesn't....
But a continuos lack of reading defenses does.
A want to hold on to the ball for 10 seconds after every snap does.
An inability to hit receivers while they still run the routes drawn up, then waiting and waiting until someone finally breaks coverage or a a sack occurs does.
An inabilty to read, digest, and actually hit a check down receiver does.
But I guess because he won two whole Superbowls (all by himself), Ben has zero shortcomings as a player. He’s a perfect quarterback who really doesn’t need to get better at the things I’ve listed above in order to, oh, I don’t know, play a full career without being dragged or carted off of a field never to play again. And I hear he’s a pretty good guy off the field to boot.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The funny thing about Arizona is...
They employ a passing game that relies on timing of routes between receiver and QB. They don’t just let their QB do whatever he wants out there and hope for the best. I’ve stated all of these things about Ben in the past, this has been how I’ve felt about him as player for some time.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Asomugha's contract
Here’s the specifics from Wikipedia (take with a grain of salt):
On February 19, 2009 the Raiders re-signed Asomugha to a complex three-year deal that makes him the highest paid defensive back in NFL history. The first two years, worth $28.5 million, are fully guaranteed. In the third year of the contract, if Oakland wants to keep Asomugha, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks or $16.875 million, whichever is higher. If the Raiders fail to pick up the option, Asomugha will become a free agent with Oakland not having the ability to tag him again.
That sounds to me like Asomugha didn’t want to get stuck in Oakland, but he also didn’t want to get stuck with the Franchise Tag. I wonder if he would be willing to re-structure somewhat to come to a well-run team. I think the Steelers would be willing to pay him “Top 5 CB in the NFL” type money, but not the craziness in his current contract.
Nice run down
Considering what the Broncs got for Cutler last year it’d be tough to swallow the Bills 1st, 5th, and someone like Byrd.
I’d take two 1st off the Bills. I like your plan of snagging Berry and Iupati and getting by on Dixon for this year. Mallet or Locker next year would have us saying Ben Who?
Plus I like the idea of Ben trolling in Buffalo. Ten to one he gets lil Ben stuck on a flagpole.
As for the Raiders, I just don’t think Asomugha is worth what he’s being paid. Sure he’s a great corner, but the Steelers don’t need great corners to have a great defense. We just need good to decent corners. Polamalu and Berry will fix what ails the CBs I think. Gimme two 1sts.
I’d think that JAX is another team that might want Ben. They’ve expressed interest in the Tebow project and who better to bring along Tebow than Ben? And who better to cockblock for Ben than Tebow? It’s a perfect match.
Yea but Cutler didn’t have all of the problems that Ben is having, and he didn’t have to spend the first 6 games riding a suspension either.
Getting the bills two first round picks is unlikely, that’s why I posted the other option as well. Byrd is a young and very underrated Safety. McKelvin wasn’t worth the top 10 pick the Bills used oon him but he’s still a quality player and his return capabilities would help as well.
Actually one team that I forgot to mention is the Carolina Panthers. I know they can’t be completely confident in Matt Moore, and the rumor is that after the season when John Fox’s contract is up they will pursue Cower. What better way to entice him into coming to the Panthers than by trading for the QB he drafted?
If I recall correctly
Cowher wanted Shawn Andrews. Rooney stepped in and said there will be Ben. Not that it worked out terribly for The Chin.
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by chewiesteeler on Apr 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland rumors seem to be picking up steam
Jason Lacanfora generally seems to have credible info.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Apr 21, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he's only credible on the stuff the league gives him
but the rest of the time he just throws shit around to build up controversy and get folks to pay attention to the NFL. that’s his job.
case in point: he was accurate on the length of time Troy was out bc the league got injury reports. he was dead wrong on us releasing hampton.
by syrsteelerfan on Apr 21, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If we made the trade with Oakland and...
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…Bruce Gradkowski was thrown in, would he be worth anything to us?
"Believe you can and you're halfway there." TR
More to the point...
Since he has played for Tampa, St Louis, Cleveland, Oakland…. is there a chance that he’s been misused and undervalued, and that the free air of Pittsburgh would allow his potential to shine?
"Believe you can and you're halfway there." TR
by Concomitandt on Apr 21, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He certainly shone
in the free air of Pittsburgh when he made us look like fools…
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by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 21, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Gradkowski kill at Heinz field
that’s a certain 8 games a year. If the D can split the rest that’s 4 more for 12-4.
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draft
lets just say the steelers trade BB for a first rounder
they then get – eric berry
-pouncey
-iupati
-toby gerhart
-greg boone
-ed wang
-ppl on defense
this gets us back to ground and pound wear them down steelers d
just like in 04 and 05 without a really good q
how do we get berry pouncey and iupati?
by steel.curtain.number2 on Apr 21, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Ben if you can get the right deal
Not because I want Ben gone. On the contrary, I think he’s the victim of a media witch hunt since day 1 and it’s continued unabated.
The Rooney family basically threw Ben under the bus. I don’t think Goodell would have dared a 6 game suspension if they didn’t have the approval of Art Rooney II and their public statements have made it easy for everyone to pile on him. They haven’t stuck by him at all. Look at the reaction here versus the Indy case, which is very similar to this one. Indy has stuck by their player and now it’s a non issue. In this case, the Rooney’s basically declared open season on their QB. I think that was a major mistake.
I know the Rooney’s are revered amongst Steeler fans and I almost always love their approach. But in this case, they’ve tied their own hands. I don’t know that Ben will ever get a fair shake again in Pittsburgh. Frankly, if I were him and I were innocent (there’s the caveat, folks), I wouldn’t want to play for the organization again and I’d probably be inclined to demand a trade. Especially if the organization continued to hang me out to dry. So what happens to the trade value of Ben if he decides that to cause a Cutler-type stink?
As such, I’m of the mindset that you trade him and move on because if he’s resentful – and he may have every reason to feel that way – you could end up in a much worse situation later.
They stuck with the first time the 2nd time not so much
and I don’t blame them
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 21, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nnamdi Asomugha gets paid almost as much as Ben does
and he’s only a CB. no way i want that kind of contract even in an uncapped year. not to mention there will probably be a cap again in a year when they get the CBA together
by steel.curtain.number2 on Apr 21, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
only way im willing to part with ben
is in a deal with either seattle or san francisco. i want 2 first round picks at least and if its with san fran i want an extra 3rd round also
this situation is still really hot media wise. and people are over reacting. come december when we’re going for a playoff spot this wont matter
by steel.curtain.number2 on Apr 21, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
why ridiculous?
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