Guessing the 53-man Roster, Post-Draft
This is my still very early but now slightly revised attempt to guess next season's 53-man roster based on last year's squad, free agency, and the draft (previous attempt is here if anyone's curious). I've included a possible practice squad as well this time around.
Changes:
1). Jonathan Dwyer, 6th round pick out of Georgia Tech, is now penciled in as the third RB. I'd be surprised if anyone, excepting a real Redman lover, takes issue with that.
2). Very minor change - swapping David Johnson and Matt Spaeth on the TE depth chart, but I did it because consensus seems to be that Johnson should be ahead of Spaeth.
3). Thaddeus Gibson, 4th round pick out of Ohio State, is now penciled in as a deep depth OLB - where I'd indicated a "new body" would be in my previous version. He's raw and is going to need quite a bit more time to develop, but his upside is such that he might have too much potential to stow on the Pants Squad. Keith Butler was upfront about how he wasn't enamored with Gibson early on watching tape, but really liked how he consistently improved over the course of the season. After the coddling he probably had at Ohio State, hopefully Gibson responds well to Butler and doesn't follow the examples of previous Steelers conversion prospect Bruce Davis and fellow Buckeyes alum and ranking DE/OLB bust Vernon Gholston.
4). Bryant McFadden, reacquired from the Cardinals along with a bonus 6th round pick for the price of a 5th rounder, has replaced Joe Burnett as the second starting corner, Burnett bumps down to Keenan Lewis' spot as the dime back, and Lewis now takes the deep depth CB spot that was also where I'd indicated a "new body" would be in my previous version.
Offensive Breakdown:
QB (3) - Only question here is who goes to make room for Big Ben when he comes back from his dates with Dr Drew.
RB (3) - There's going to be a new body - likely Jonathan Dwyer - behind Mendenhall and Moore. I also don't think Logan will reprise his "returner only" role.
FB (1) - Assumption is that Summers is going to be healthy and back up to speed.
WR (6) - We're rolling deep because I don't know who to cut. Ward and Wallace are set in stone, and Randle El is even odds to make it back. After going out and grabbing Battle in free agency as well, and with his purported strong special teams play, I'd be pretty surprised if he was left off. As a third round pick, Sanders is high enough that he's a safe bet to make it as well. The question here is Sweed, and this humble, hopeful soul is optimistic that he will finally settle down and take the field as a gamer, so I've got to include him too.
TE (3) - Miller is a lock and I think Johnson is a safe bet as well. I think Spaeth will be back for one more year as well (much to the consternation of many people around here). I also threw in McHugh's name under my question mark category just so he isn't completely forgotten despite missing all of last year with an injury.
OL (9) - Breakdown is four tackles, four guards, and one center.
At tackle, Starks and Colon are the clear starters. Free agent Jonathan Scott - a Kugler signee - becomes the primary backup, and Essex returns to his familiar role of being the position flexible backup.
At guard, Kemoeatu is at left and I'm confident Pouncey can be penciled in at right. Foster has to be back after the solid year he had, and Urbik has to get at least another year to develop. Or not if he wants to be Tony Hills future roommate.
At center, Hartwig starts but behind him things are interesting. Stapleton is gone, Legursky remains, but with 9 guys already in the position unit, I think Legursky might get cut as well. That then makes Pouncey the presumed backup at his future spot.
Defensive Breakdown:
DL (7) - Breaks down into five ends and two nose tackles. Hampton and Hoke are back, it's a given. Smith and Keisel are locked back in to start, Hood continues to round into shape getting to rotate in, Eason gets called back as a "savvy veteran" for the rotation as well, and Harris (as we learned the hard way last year) is too good to try to stash away and merits a roster spot again. Kirschke stays in limbo without a contract and we thank him again and wish him the best.
LB (9) - This is actually kinda hard to pin down, in my mind. I believe we had 9 LBs after final cuts last year, so I'm using that as my start point. There are 7 locks: Silverback, Woodley, and now Worilds at OLB; and Farrior, Timmons, Fox, and Foote at ILB.
That leaves two spots, and I think one should go to a veteran and one should go to someone new. Fourth rounder Thaddeus Gibson could be that someone new, so what about someone old? Andre Frazier is a long-time reliable backup at OLB that knows LeBeau's system, but Patrick Bailey is a solid, hard-nosed special teamer that might be tougher than expected to leave off despite his lack of contributing as an actual LB (so far as I know). If neither Gibson nor some hotshot rookie free agent tears up camp, I think both might end up being back to round out the linebacking corps.
DB (9) - Position group is 9 deep out of necessity - five corners and four safeties. Ike is on one side, and McFadden should be back on the other. William Gay gets to return to the nickel role where he's more comfortable, Joe Burnett remains status quo behind Gay, and Keenan Lewis is back because of his size and hopefully because he's improved enough to get to see some field time. Some might say Anthony Madison should get a spot for his special teams play, but with the free agent signings (Battle and Allen) and draft picks like Worilds who are expected to excel on ST while they develop, I think Madison's inability to be a legitimate backup at corner tips the balance and he unfortunately gets cut again. Thanks for more than a decade of service Deshea.
Troy and Clark are starting at safety, that's a given. Will Allen is the primary back up and a special teams ace, and I'd be surprised if someone beats out Mundy for the last safety spot because despite his shortcomings thus far, he does have experience in the system and that does count for a bit. Former Thorpe winner Tyrone Carter, thank you for your years of service as well. (Note - we didn't take a safety in the second round because, among other reasons, there is likely no space on the roster for him)
Specialists Breakdown:
Not much to break down - we'll have Robopunter, a guy with funny hair who has very special interactions with paper towel dispensers, and someone not named James Harrison as longsnapper. But it should be noted that two years running now, Jared Retkofsky has been called midseason to replace an injured Greg Warren. Will we make it three? Will Warren's ACLs decide to hold together for 17 weeks for a change of pace and Retkofsky gets to keep moving furniture? Or will Retkofsky get the job in training camp and Warren gets thanked for his years of service?
Pants Squad Breakdown:
Half rookies, half retreads.
Steve McClendon should be a safe bet to come back, remembering John Mitchell's comments about last year's rookie defensive lineman as a group (Ziggy, Harris, and McClendon) being one of the best groups he's had. Incidentally, McClendon has been Ziggy's offseason workout buddy. Tyler Grisham will probably return to the squad despite the late call up last season. Eugene Bright is penciled in because there will definitely be a TE on the practice squad, and as of right now it's him by default. There will also definitely be a RB, and Redman gets the nod, but does anyone know if Justin Vincent still has another year or is he tapped out?
Doug Worthington is the latest addition to Mitchell's conversion program, and he really does sound like a future 3-4 DE in the making. Chris Scott sounds like a solid OL prospect as well, but he'd have to seriously outshine Urbik to be considered for the active roster, so I'm calling him a pants squad lock right now. Stevenson Sylvester and Crezdon Butler, a pair of very fun names, have the nominal inside tracks for LB and DB on the pants squad since they were drafted.
Conclusions:
Surprise, surprise - there really aren't many open spots on the team.
The only clear open spot on offense was at RB and Dwyer is likely on the inside track to take it, though maybe a second spot will open up if Sweed still can't put it all together, and perhaps a third if we find the next Brent Celek in the bargain bin and Spaeth gets cut. And only three spots on defense seem to be in play as well - though at least one of the two spots at LB is assured to go to a veteran, and if the coaching staff still likes Burnett/Lewis, then there might not be an opening at corner after all. Actually doing this breakdown also makes Worilds at OLB in the second a crystal clear sorely needed depth pick, as many people have already said, and I will always trust Colbert's board over mine so I'm 100% behind it.
Moral of the story - there are going to be a lot of sad rookies in Latrobe. We've got a slew of undrafted rookie free agents that are going to come in, and just about all of them are guaranteed to NOT make the roster along with most of our 3rd day picks. As a result, training camp should be that much more intense this year. And who knows, out of the fire and carnage and brutal competition, maybe someone will be galvanized and emerge as something really special.
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Richardson
isn’t listed on Steelers.com… weird
The Driver of the Sweed Bus - All aboard, next stop 70 Catches 900 Yards 7TD's
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 24, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
Oh right forgot to explain him
After we cut him last year he played in the UFL for Jim Haslett’s Florida Tuskers. I’d like to see him back since I’d like to think he’s better because of it, but so far I don’t think we’ve given him another contract and there’s a chance we won’t ever get around to it.
by barnerburner on Apr 24, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
LSFB
A – Logan
B – Spaeth
C1 – Frazier
C2 – Bailey
call all pack their bags.
A – There are three other bodies to return now; Sanders, ARE, Burnett/Dyer
B – McHugh is better blocking, Johnson better catching (and younger)
C – Too many new LB’s for these guys, even though they’re semi proven
I just read some crazy post on FB saying that LaBeau is going to incorporate a 3-7 scheme with 4 OLB’s. Anybody heard this?
Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way, ...I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!
HAHAHA
no a 3-7 isn’t happening
and who is Dyer?
The Driver of the Sweed Bus - All aboard, next stop 70 Catches 900 Yards 7TD's
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 24, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
riight, makes sense
does he even return kicks?
The Driver of the Sweed Bus - All aboard, next stop 70 Catches 900 Yards 7TD's
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 24, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea
I’m sure Tomlin is going to try everyone everywhere on special teams
by barnerburner on Apr 24, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
A 3-7 scheme with 4 OLBs?
If there is any kernel of truth to that, which there might be I have no idea, then I really doubt we cut both Frazier and Bailey and go into the season with only 6 LBs who know LeBeau’s system.
by barnerburner on Apr 24, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
think about it, a 3-7?
that leaves you with 1 DB
The Driver of the Sweed Bus - All aboard, next stop 70 Catches 900 Yards 7TD's
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 24, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Short red zone, small ball package?
I’m not about to try to understand it without a link to some article/post about it, I just know for a fact that LeBeau would not try some shenanigans like that unless he had experienced guys he could absolutely rely on trying to pull it off. It does sound kind of A-11 to me though.
by barnerburner on Apr 24, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Might be fun to watch for a few minutes.
Might not.
A quarterback would get killed or throw 12 touchdowns.
"Believe you can and you're halfway there." TR
by Concomitandt on Apr 24, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t rule out the second WR we drafted. The Staff seems excited by him, and punt returns was mentioned as a strength of his.
Fits the punt returner blueprint too. not top end speed, but shifty and quick with great acceleration. Sanders and Wallace are more Kick returners. I think Antonio Brown may win Battle’s spot, also Crezdon Butler looks to be a coverage guy who may get tried at returns too. There is a ton of competition, and ST play will decide a lot of it.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomlin was clear about that at the end of the post-draft news conference
All of these guys are going to have to prove themselves on special teams before they’ll get a chance to show what they can do on offense/defense. If a receiver outshines Battle on special teams, I’m sure they’ll get his spot.
by barnerburner on Apr 25, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
battle didnt get a $1mil signing bonus for nothing. i’d be very surprised to see him cut this preseason.
Punt returner is the key, we have guys who can return kicks. If ARE wins PR duty than that solves it, otherwise we have Antonio Brown, (I think he can do it) Butler might have some potential and could make the team as a PR and kick coverage guy (not likely) and after that Stefan Logan.
Stefan is last there because I’m pretty certain Tomlin doesn’t want to carry a dedicated Return man who really is a dedicated Punt Returner.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 27, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know how it was structured/what we've already paid him
I’ve been looking at Battle as a Keiwan Ratliff type of signing – a veteran, but one who doesn’t know the system and still has just as much to prove as any rookie to earn a spot. That being said, he still has the inside track over any rookie because he has experience.
by barnerburner on Apr 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
3-7
like I said, crazy.
Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way, ...I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!
After looking it over I'm pretty excited about that roster!
The o-line looks much better with a 1st round pick (Pouncey) penciled in over a career back-up (Essex) or a couple of RFA’s (Foster, Stapleton). The depth at corner is significantly better with McFadden returning and Gay back as the nickel, giving Lewis and Burnett another year to grow without pressing one of them into a role they’re not ready to fill. Dwyer is a north-south banger who should shore up some of our short-yardage woes. The depth at linebacker is fantastic. And becuase so many of these kids can play special teams, we should be better in that department as well. This is a roster to get excited about!
Now all we have to do is hang in there until Big Stupid comes back…
"There is no truth but in transit." R.W. Emerson
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Apr 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
It's remarkable how just one player can completely change how you view a position group
Not to discount the underrated signing of Jonathan Scott (which I’m pretty sure spells the bittersweet end to the Tony Hills project and completely changes how our tackle depth looks) but Pouncey and his pedigree make the o-line suddenly look like a future force to be reckoned with. And slotting B-Mac back into a starting role takes our secondary from unproven, underachieving and potentially leaky to a deep group with plenty of prospects being groomed for the future. Maybe I am overstating a bit, but I’m with you I really like how the roster is rounding into form for next year and beyond.
If the Big Stupid hadn’t gotten himself suspended, I’d go so far as to say we’d be back on the preseason short list to win the title. I just hope that it’s a smooth transition when he does come back.
by barnerburner on Apr 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Interaction Effects and Competition
Sorry, I have been reading too many econ journals lately.
This roster looks mighty appealing though. I am having the same feelings that I did after our draft in 2007. We are deep everywhere, we are hungry and dissatisfied, we have enough veteran experience and, furthermore, the suspension could actually work some interesting effects for the Steelers’ team dynamic: hopefully gives us a more humble, team-oriented Ben, establishes the defense as the dominant unit to being the year, and should allow us to construct a more balanced offense early in the year.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
P.S. -- About that 3-7
The 7 might not necessarily mean seven linebackers, but seven 2nd level players. Think the 4 backers, two corners and Troy down in the box with Clark playing center field. This gives you endless combinations of zone-blitz possibilities. Who is bailing into coverage and who is coming? Troy has already shown that he can get from the box into a cover-2 half-field technique (I couldn’t believe it the first time I saw him do it… the equivalent of a LB with deep safety responsibility) or one of the corners could bail at the snap into a deep 1/2 rotation with Clark. If you think about it, for a mad scientist like LeBeau it’s an intriguing idea. Good luck to the QB-WR combos who have to try to read the Hot route with any of 7 guys threatening to come and three others who could rotate into deep coverage!
"There is no truth but in transit." R.W. Emerson
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Apr 24, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
we dont have 7 linebackers on the team that can cover a WR
also, how do we cover quick screen passes?
we do it with the number one defense in the entire nfl.
last year we slipped a tad with our two best defensive players going on injured reserve.
we get back troy p and aaron smith this year. and we got back bryant mcfadden also thus putting gay back where he belongs as a strong supporting db not the number two CB.
how do we cover screen passes?
ask yourself instead HOW the other team is going to beat us ….because were going to tear things up this year with our Defense again…..
were gonna blow teams out so bad people will think bellicheat is our head coach.
Ben is INNOCENT!
If anything, it'll only be a surprise package and not a full time switch
So I’m not about to worry about it right now. I’d rather see the roster solidified with guys capable of running the base defense and backed up by guys who can learn it. LeBeau will only implement exotic packages if the guys can handle it.
by barnerburner on Apr 25, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why we drafted for speed and agility at LB. Look at the old TB team when it was it’s best, they had speed all over. LeBeau uses bigger LB’s than they had then, so we drafted guys who had size and athletic ability. I think we are moving toward that, and could see it sooner than later.
The ILB guy one of us compared to CArnell Lake, he’s not Lake, but he can cover WR’s in zone. IF the OLB’s can play too this type of defense is feasible.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice idea
I was thinking something similar.
The same way that we had one down lineman and five-six guys ‘orbiting’, we could utilize three down lineman with seven guys in/around the box in a red zone situation. Maybe one or two corners on the outside, and then if we have those hybrid LB/S types, we could drop them into coverage, while blitzing a safety up the gut or a CB on the blindside.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
nice analysis
The only think I would disagree about is Logan. I watched him enough in the CFL to know that he doesn’t have what it takes to be a RB in this league, although I still like him as a return man, this draft might have ended that role for him.
He's not making the roster
Or at least I don’t think he is. He’s in my “?” category – meaning guys in the mix because they’d made the cut previously, but who are probably going to be victims of the numbers game this time around.
by barnerburner on Apr 25, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Good analysis
I really like the look of Stevenson Sylvester though. Assuming he transitions to the next level, he looks like a guy that will make our roster.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Now that I'm seeing vids on the guy and reading more analysis
He’s on the shortlist to move up. If Patrick Bailey hasn’t taken a giant leap forward in his development, I’m sure Sylvester the Cat could beat him out. My hesitation is that there still might need to be some sort of “LeBeau safety net”, like Frazier has been.
I’m definitely going to be debating it for awhile. Frazier has hit is ceiling, and it isn’t very high. But we do love us some veteran experience. I really don’t know…
What I do know is that I’m going to be leaving that [old body] spot open for the foreseeable future, that’s for sure.
by barnerburner on Apr 27, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, time will tell
But Jonathan Scott does have starting experience at tackle, albeit on cruddy Lions and Bills teams, and you can’t easily discount the fact that Kugler knows him. Essex might be cut before J. Scott is, and C. Scott might project better to guard anyways.
by barnerburner on Apr 25, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
but only cause you have redman hanging on to ps. If logan gets chopped can we move redman to RB 4? I’m interested to see what we do with our 4 qb’s once ben comes back too.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Apr 26, 2010 6:02 AM EDT reply actions
I mean it is all guesswork this early
I don’t think we’ll actually have 5 receivers. I just don’t know who to cut out of the 6 listed given my eternal hope that Sweed will put it all together. I do think that the 6th receiver spot will instead go to a RB/FB type, since it’s one of those positions where it’s not unheard of to have a really bad day and go through your whole depth chart like a roll of toilet paper because guys just keep getting hurt. So it’s certainly possible that Redman might move up.
by barnerburner on Apr 27, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
QB's
I’d say Charlie Batch is the “odd man out” BUT by all means keep him within the organization in an “adviser” position. He served us well and we should reward him for it.
+yep
batch tenure invoked
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Apr 26, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Naturally
Just like how Mean Joe Greene still has some kind of position in the organization and earned his 5th and 6th rings that way.
by barnerburner on Apr 27, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
grant breakdown
i agree with a lot of what you have to say especially the thing about a lot of the later draft picks not making the team
love the 6 WR’s. if sweed has a good preseason we keep him and go with 6 since the other 5 spots are locked up.
Sweed
Is a bit of a lynch pin in all of this – his performance in training camp/preseason will determine how a few things shake out, namely depth at other positions. We have a surplus of speedy squirts and a dearth of big frames that can be red zone targets. So the way I see it, the other 5 spots are pretty locked up, but Sweed is separate and is only competing against himself. Though if anyone might get beat out in training camp and be cut for a rookie, I think it would have to be Battle.
by barnerburner on Apr 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions

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