What This Draft Tells Us About What the Front Office Is Thinking
The draft provides an important opportunity to look into the minds of the Steelers braintrust (Colbert, Tomlin, etc). What they didn't do is as important as what they did do. Here is what the 2010 draft says to me about the thinking of the Steelers' front office:
* Willie Colon is a keeper at RT. The team had an unexpected chance to draft Brian Baluga in the first round. Although downgraded on some boards, Baluga was generally regarded as one of the top tackles available. By passing on Baluga for an interior lineman, Maurkice Pouncey, the FO indicates that they are not interested in replacing Colon (or shifting him to guard).
* Limas Sweed looks like a bust. The loss of Santonio Holmes could have thrust former second-round pick Sweed into the third- or fourth-WR spot. Instead, the team signed Antwaan Randle-El to be the third receiver and drafted two more WRs, including third-rounder Emmanuel Sanders. With special-teams demon Arnez Battle penciled into the fifth-WR spot, it now appears possible that Sweed will not even make the roster, unless there is an injury or the team goes with six WRs.
* The LaMarr Woodley negotiations are not going well. This one is controversial, but my take on the Steelers choosing not one but two OLBs in the first four rounds is that they plan on replacing Woodley after his contract expires at the end of the 2010 season. Remember when Joey Porter left before the 2007 season? The team responded by drafting two LBs, Woodley and Lawrence Timmons, in the first two rounds. Drafting two players at a position of need gives the team Plan A and Plan B, which paid off in 2007 when Timmons, the first pick, was slow to develop. Unlike last time, the new guys have a year to train up before one has to become a starter.
* Last year's top picks could pay off in 2010. Choosing center Pouncey instead of trading up for guard Mike Iupati gives 2009 third-rounder Kraig Urbik an opportunity to start at RG. Pouncey is likely to compete with Justin Hartwig at center and will probably take over as the starter at some point during the season. Also, the team did not draft a CB until round 5, giving third-rounder Keenan Lewis and fifth-rounder Joe Burnett a shot at William Gay's starting spot. However, the team hedged its bet on the young CBs by bringing back former starter Bryant McFadden.
* Will Allen looks like a dependable safety. The Steelers could have traded up only a few picks in the second round to get USC's Taylor Mays, a highly rated safety. Instead, the team did not draft a safety at all. The FO appears willing to trust the veteran Allen in a starting role if Troy Polamalu or Ryan Clark, who both missed games in 2009, are again injured.
* Casey Hampton will last another 2-3 seasons. Of course, the Steelers would not have extended Hampton's contract if they did not feel that he still had some gas left in the tank. But by not drafting a nose tackle in any round, the team signaled that they do not need to get Hampton's replacement any time soon.
* Stefan Logan is headed for a new team. I lost count of the number of Steelers draft picks who can return punts and/or kickoffs. Of course, the team also signed free-agent Battle as a possible return man. Although Logan did an admirable job in 2009, it looks like the FO wants to save a roster spot by using someone else (or a combination of someone elses) to return kicks in 2010.
* Big Ben is not going anywhere. If the team were serious about trading Rothlisberger, they could have drafted a top QB such as Jimmy Clausen (by trading up slightly in the second round) or Colt McCoy (by trading down in the second round or up in the third) to develop for the future. Instead, they will turn the team back over to their Super Bowl-winning QB after his suspension ends. The FO must be confident that Big Ben will avoid any future shenanigans.
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Valid points......all duely noted
I’m still holding out for Sweed to perform at training camp. If he lays an egg, they now most certainly have a contigency plan. If he shines, well…..we have practice squad fodder.
I think Hartwig holds onto the Center position for this yr and Pouncey starts at guard along with Kemo at guard.
It’s frustrating, because I’m not sure when Urbik gets a chance to show what he’s got. Remember, Ramon Foster too……..We’re loaded at guard now
I’m hoping you’re not right in regards to Woodley. He is someone to build around. He is the youngest of the established studs and we really need to keep him. Perhaps we can re-work Big Ben’s 100mil contract so we can give Woodley his much deserved love?? Perhaps we re-work some the vets (Farrior, etc)so we can keep him.
We’ll also have more $ because I’m not sure we’re keeping Ike Taylor after this yr. He has a nice salary.
Nice post.
I agree, Sweed will be given one more shot
Obviously, Wallace and Ward are #1 and #2. We know that El is going to make the team. I think that Battle will be considered a #5 WR with his primary purpose being special teams.
Therefore, Sweed has some major competition with the rookies. They will all be fighting for that #4 spot. It should be an intense battle. Im excited to see how it all plays out.
I miss Kreider
by Sixburgh Reigns on Apr 26, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweed I fear needs
a shrink to unlock his potential rather than competition. Hopefully the brass has given that approach a try.
by steelerstyle on Apr 26, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If we get rid of Woodley we'll regret it for a long time
He has a consistently solid level of play. The man makes plays, and is still young. He appears on all aspects to be a high character class-act player. C’mon Steelers, you can work this contract. Don’t let Woodley go.
"They say that when you're the champs, everybody will try to beat you. Well, I'm glad we're champs, so bring 'em on, bring 'em all on. If we die, we ain't gonna die running. It's gonna be a fight." Joe Greene
by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 25, 2010 5:33 AM EDT reply actions
honestly
i dont think it takes a special guy to succeed at OLB in our defense. dick lebau just has an amazing system set up
Is that why
Haggans and Porter had double digit sacks year in and year out?
The system is good yes, but Woodley and Harrison are a class above what Haggans and Porter were
Without me, youre only you
56
is an LB beast. Take it from a guy that watched everyone. Andy Russell, Dobre Shunka, Jack Splat, Merriweather, Hinkle, Lloyd et al. Woodley is a keeper and the Steelers will try to sign him.
That said, if he wants too much $$$ the Steelers have hedged their bets with 2 young up and comers that could step in if 56 signs elsewhere. BTW, Porter was an awesome LB. Real good early on. A bit of a lag after the shooting but an MVP in 05. We don’t get to XL without Peazy.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Yeah
Wasnt meant to sound like a knock on Porter, he was and still is one of my favourite Steelers. The definition of Swagger
Without me, youre only you
by GotWoodley? on Apr 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You're Right On
in your Woodley assessment 56. The guy is a special player. We guessed right with that pick.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Deebo
is locked up through 2015.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4064291
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
I actually thought the drafting of two OLB's had more effect on Deebo
No way he ever get’s close to the end of that deal.
both are great
and hate to lose either but if it came down to cutting 92 to sign 56 that would be my direction
by Pittsblitz56 on Apr 26, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If there is one area that I am not worried about...
it is picking OLBs to play in our defense. I do not know how, but the Steelers are ALWAYS amazing at picking up OLB year in and year out. Who thought that an unknown guy that had been cut many times (Harrison) could take over for one of the best Steelers of all-time(Porter)?
When is comes to OLB, in Lebeau and Butler we trust.
I am more worried that by addressing OLB, we ignored other current needs.
I miss Kreider
by Sixburgh Reigns on Apr 26, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
What were those?
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
D-line, Oline(tackle), WR, TE, and secondary.
Still need a solution if Aaron Smith is injured again.
What happens if one of our starting tackles gets injured? I do not see much depth.
Spaeth sucks, need a better solution.
When we picked Worlids, Golden Tate was still available… I know we addressed this in the third round, but does anybody think Emmanuel Sanders is going to be a starter one day? I think Tate had a better shot
Just look at the LB on the roster:
James Harrison
Lamar Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Jason Worilds
Thaddeus Gibson
Stevenson Sylvester
Even if all of the guys are studs, can we keep all of them? If we have to cut a great athlete just because we filled out the depth chart while other areas are lacking depth, seems irresponsible.
I miss Kreider
by Sixburgh Reigns on Apr 27, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Answers in my opinion
I think we just disagree here. my take anyway:
For starters I agree completely that they should ditch Spaeth and I’m disappointed that they didn’t pick up a late round blocking TE to push him. The only guy who can compete to be a 2nd on line blocker is Eugene Bright who they picked up after the season.
Ziggy hood is the answer to the Aaron Smith question so much as there can be an answer to replacing one of the best in the league.
They picked up a big UDFA DT from VT who might be able to push Hoke in camp or at least be on the PS in case Hampton goes down.
I think Sanders has a good chance of being a starter. He wowed the coaching staff in his visit and was productive in college. I don’t expect the kid to appologize for the SMU scheme. He has good hands and physical traits. Works for me.
I don’t think keeping 9 LB is out of the question. We carried 7-8 last year with no rookies redshirting. I think we’ll have one less DB since last years rooks are more experienced now and are ready to contribute. Maybe same deal on DE. This year we’ll carry extra on OL and LB.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally Hope you guys are right!!
If Colbert and Co prove me wrong, that means the Steelers are drafting well!
I miss Kreider
by Sixburgh Reigns on Apr 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What team in the NFL has adequate depth at every position?
Not one.
It’s like this for every NFL team.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
they took
those OLB’s for depth, special teams help, and one to be Harrison’s replacement in 3-4 years, not because they cant sign Woodley. They know what he brings them, and they will resign him, especially since they got rid of Holmes
+1
Woodley is a keeper. They will make that new contract happen or someone here at BTSC is going to eat their Terrible Towel. Any takers…….
"Whaddya' mean all the beer is gone..?
I'll do it.
If Woodley leaves and he hasn’t been hurt or outrageous in his demands I’ll eat a towel. I’ve been a Woodley fan since his days rocking at Michigan, I was literally jumping up and down when we took him.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Wood's not going anywhere but....
One of them will replace Harrison much sooner than 3-4 years.
Hmm
Im not so sure that the drafting of two OLBs has anything to do with the status of Woodley, I see it as our team is trying to emulate our most recent Superbowl winning team.
We have Foote back, lets face it, pass rushing was never his strong point. Farriors pass rushing ability has slid
We want to get back to that stage where we had 5 formiddable pass rushing linebackers at our disposal to throw at offenses in a hectic rotation, like we did on route to XLIII
Harrison had what, 10 sacks after 10 games last season, but then had 6 games to finish the season where he had none. I dont think you can contribute all of that reasoning to double teams or what not because we saw Woodley getting town teamed and still making sacks
Harrison hasnt played as many downs as many players his age, but I do think age is a factor here for him, hes nearing mid thirties, and if we lose Harrison or Woodley to injury, it would mean sliding Timmons back to the Outside and having a Foote/Farrior middle, which i personally dont think is as imposing as it once was
My 2 cents at least anyway. I still see a big contract in Woodleys future with the Steelers
Without me, youre only you
I disagree on Harrison
Harrison still looked as good as he did in 2008 last year. He definitely did not lose a step and that could be seen in how many times he got held after beating the LT to the outside. I believe Harrison will still be a solid OLB for 2 more years to come, and these draft picks are just an insurance for the future and depth for the mean time.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrison
had a bicep injury at the end of the year. I distinctly remember it hindering him sacking the Miami QB. He just couldn’t wrap up. Harrison will return to 2008 form and woodley will be even better, who need CBs? We’re gonna have 100 sacks this season. ;)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Techically we do need CBs
The positions I thought we needed to upgrade going into the draft were OL and CB. We drafted a Pro Bowl center in the 1st and got plenty of pass rushers in the process.
And we picked up Bryant McFadden, who was a 2nd round pick by us in 2005. So essentially we drafted a 2nd round corner at 5th round value.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 27, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a joke
:(
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Tells Me FO Is On The Ball
Every draft is different. You never know who is on the board when you pick so you kind of have to make several plans and hope one works out. The Steelers definitely worked a plan (which is step 1) and time will tell if it worked out.
- The Steelers got the C that they have been after since Hartings retired plus immediately upgraded their OL depth being able to move Essex and Foster back to game day back-ups. The youngster they drafted at 5 will push Urbik and Legursky and provide youth on the PS if he doesn’t make the 53.
- With absolutely no OLB depth (except to move Timmons outside) in event of injury, the Steelers instantly got younger at LB. They now have understudies at both OLB positions as well as Foote and Sylvester behind the aging Farrior. As stated above, Woodley is a beast and they will make every attempt to resign him. In case they can’t they now have plan B in place.
- Getting B MAC IS HUGE in that he is the second starter we got in this draft and allows Gay to return to nickle where he excelled. I liked the film of the DB we took late. Looks like a Clemson ball hawk who will push Lewis & Burnett. Thus we upgraded the secondary a bit which was mandatory.
- Sweed is in the seat by the door unless he excels at Latrobe. Logan still has a spot if he continues his play and improves a bit. Returning is a tough business. Logan is a proven commodity. He also can play ST as he made a couple tackles. He may also see himself worked into the O in a “Sproles” role without FWP or a burner. Plus, if they can dust off some of Whiz’s razzle dazzle imagine Hines, El and Logan running gadgets to throw off the D.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Butler is a bigger, faster Gay
If he makes the team or is placed on the PS, I look for him to eventually compete for the nickel spot a few years down the road. His ball skills are underrated too.
Maybe it’s just me, but I think us trading Holmes might light a fire under Limas. I read something online about him getting over his personal issues this offseason, and that Colbert was really expecting good things from him.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the highlights I saw of Butler. He looked like a gamer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhQucP7DjYE
I would like nothing more for Limas or the Steelers than for him to step up and make this team. He certainly could be a weapon but has thus far been a bust.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Your title is unintentionally funny… and very much so.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Yeah I noticed it the other day
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I look at it like this. We needed ST guys bad. We don’t have roster space, so we sign two that are at a position we can keep them, OLB. We should carry four OLB, and our two back-ups this year will be ST guys. That’s a big deal.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Arians run good gadget plays?
LMAO
"They say that when you're the champs, everybody will try to beat you. Well, I'm glad we're champs, so bring 'em on, bring 'em all on. If we die, we ain't gonna die running. It's gonna be a fight." Joe Greene
by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 26, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My Opinions
Limas Sweed looks like a bust.
I think this one is pretty obvious. However, I do not think that the Steelers drafting the two WRs is saying goodbye to Sweed. I think it says, unlike last year, you now have competition for a spot. If you do not shape up and start catching balls, we are going to kick your rear end to the curb. I love Sweed and his potential, but I realize he is on a wobbly tight rope. I love the security and depth the draft provides us at WR, but I am also a little afraid of what it means for BA’s play calling.
The LaMarr Woodley negotiations are not going well.
I disagree. We really have no depth at OLB, and these pick ups were to assure some depth at that position and provide a possible replacement for Harrison who is growing old. There is no doubt in my mind, especially after trading giving away Holmes, that Woodley will get a deal that both pleases him and the Steelers. It could happen during or after camp, we shall see.
Choosing center Pouncey instead of trading up for guard Mike Iupati gives 2009 third-rounder Kraig Urbik an opportunity to start at RG. Pouncey is likely to compete with Justin Hartwig at center and will probably take over as the starter at some point during the season
I completely disagree. Even Tomlin said that Pouncey will be competing for the RG position this year, and not center. He wants to develop Pouncey at RG before giving him the responsibilities of center. Center has to be a leader, and as a rookie, it would be hard for him to gain that leadership role in one off season. In as short as a year or two I think Pouncey will take over for Hartwig, but not this year. I am pretty certain this will be our OL in game 1 (from LT to RT respectively): Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Pouncey, Colon.
Will Allen looks like a dependable safety.
I agree it appears so. It also appears that they like what they have in Ryan Mundy. The Steelers also grabbed S DaMon Cromartie-Smith as a UFDA. He should add depth and competition for camp/preseason. He has Cromartie blood in his veins, so he could be a diamond in the rough.
Casey Hampton will last another 2-3 seasons.
Agreed. Also, looks like they like what they can get out of Hoke. I am not a huge fan, but I read a comment by BadMafalla or SteelerBuddha (can’t remember, always get the two mixed up) who talked about Hoke when he replaced Hampton that year he was injured for like 8 games or something. Our run D, even missing Hampton, remained the #1 ranked. We are safe at this position for now, but I assume the Steelers will be looking really heavily at the DT and DL in the 2011 draft.
Stefan Logan is headed for a new team.
He will have a chance to compete in camp. Even after breaking the Steelers yardard season return record, his position is not definite. I love that. It keeps players from becoming complacent if they have to earn their spot. I would not be entirely disappointed to see Logan stay or go. I trust Tomlin’s assessment of the best talent for the team.
Big Ben is not going anywhere.
Could be. Could also mean they are really happy with what Dixon offers and what Leftwich can bring back to the team. I probably think more of the former than the latter, but we will see. If anything, the competition at QB for the first 6 games of the season is going to be a real gem to watch at Latrobe. I think Dixon and Leftwich have the upper hand on old man Chuck, but he is definitely not down and or out. I hope I can get to camp so I can watch these guys compete and toss it to the new WRs.
Sorry for the long comment, but it is sooooooo good to talk about Football again and not the crap off of the grid iron. GO STEELERS!!!
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
On Comartie-Smith
he is a LB playing safety and is a great stop gap if a star is injured, does everything well enough but not weak anywhere.
The Driver of the Sweed Bus - All aboard, next stop 70 Catches 900 Yards 7TD's
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Apr 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
- Didn’t know we got a Cromartie! That’s awesome. Every team should have one. Kind of like a Bahr or Zendajas. Seriously though, glad they brought in a FA S. We will need one on PS in case of injury during the year. They have Tuff Harris on the roster too.
- Agree that the most intriguing competition will be for starting QB…for the first 4-6 games. That should be a great competition between the young Dix & Lord Byron. Plus you know old 16 is a competitor and wants the job. Hopefully someone is hot and can lead us to some W’s in September/October.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Pretty soon every team will have one if Antonio keeps up his pace
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The second WR we picked up looks like a PR candidate. Not top end speed, but real quick and shifty.
Don’t count Limas out. They are going to give him a shot, and this draft and off season was all about bringing in one more guy than we can hold onto. It’s a hard win, but he’s got height and size on every one he’s going against. I only expect to keep one of the two new WR’s on the roster. I think the other is PS material. However, if Battle isn’t good and Sweed still sucks they might both stick.
That DT situation is one to watch. They passed on some good NT prospects this draft. I’m interested to see what the defense does.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 25, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Good post
Your comments got me thinking in another vein.
This draft, and the essence of competition, is I think the next step in Tomlin formatting his identity. He tried to be a ballbuster in year 1, but it was not a big success, at least not long-term: his personality is more laid-back, relaxed, yet intense. He acted in such a manner the past couple years, and is now receiving criticism for doing so.
Maybe the perspective of an economist, but if you would like to get people to behave a certain way, but want to allow them to be themselves, trust their decision-making, and not intervene too much, how can you do so? I think Tomlin is striking a nice balance by having them fear for their jobs, their livelihood, and, after they make the team, their playing time. Maybe during last year’s losing streak when he commented that the Steelers would make some changes, he realized that their depth was not sufficient to do so. Maybe the players were also, at least subconsciously, aware of this. But now, if you do not show up ‘on the details’ and do your job, Tomlin does not need to make grandiose threats to the media or be a hardass at every moment, rather by creating depth, he allows the system to function and separate the wheat from the chaff. He functions more effectively in his role as game manager, while still getting the desired results.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Agreed
Your assesment of what Tomlin seems to be creating as the working atmosphere for the 2010 Steelers seems to be the case. Hopefully it is this way. I vividly remember that during the ugly loosing streak not many players had that intensity of fearing for their playing time or their jobs, so obviously the public remarks did not work very well. Competition hopefully will.
It all starts in the trenches.
by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Apr 26, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Great post
Many of the same thoughts I had.
Totally agree that Woodley is unrelated to the OLB drafts. We’ve been very lucky with the durability of those guys.
Unless Hartwig gets hurt, Pouncey plays RG, if he can win that spot.
In addition to your comments I’d suggest that Colon is probably safe for 2011 but beyond is a big question mark. They’ve added a lot of RT propects in addition to the guys on the team already. The team has about 7-8 guys looking to be a backup at OL, perhaps Colon or even Kemo could be pushed by one of these guys. Maybe they’ll keep 10 OL this year as they need to groom a RG as well for when Pouncey slides over.
Foster (G/ RT) (2nd yr)
Urbik (G) (2nd yr)
C. Scott (G / RT) (rook)
J. Scott (RT/LT) (FA)
Ciron Black (G/ RT) (UDFA)
Trump (C/G) (UDFA)
Legurskuy (C/G) (vet)
Essex (G/T) (vet)
Regarding Hampton, I suspected that the FO would try to find a diamond in the rough since they have a couple years. They picked up an UDFA from VT who is nicknamed the Taco. nuff said.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 26, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
one other note
I think that was 2004 when Hoke played well for us. Long time ago.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 26, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we sign Ciron Black or not?
He was listed as signed on two posts Sunday, now I can’t find any confirmation?
Offensive philosophy is mixed. Defense approach is back
Offense – We want to run the ball more: Lests look at the moves in the offseason and draft. Dump Holmes (ok he asked for it), draft Pouncey (great move), sign a reserve tackle, Scott, draft a G (5a) Scott, draft a tough RB (6a) Dwyer, all good moves. But the WR they draft are not blocking WR. They are fast and small (Sanders 5-11 19=80; Brown 5-10 186). Who is going to replace Hines when he retires. It takes a while to learn how to block as a WR. Neither of these guys seem to be receivers who can go across the middle like Hines. Sweed is gone unless he catches everything thrown near him, blocks, and grows up.
Brown may go on practice sqad ith Grisham. They are not going to cut ARE or Battle. Urbik has to show something. Hills is gone. Foster is vying with fellow Tenn alum Chris Scott for a roster spot. Essex is cut.
Defense – Back to Steeler football. As long as Troy is healthy. Bringing back Foote and McFadden were great moves. Will need to get ready to replace them as they are over 30.. Hopefully the Lewis or Burnett will emerge as good backups this year and can challenge for real playing time in a year. Gay SUCKS. Drafting Worilds is going to be a great pick as long as he stays healthy. 3 major shoulder operations + ankle problems scares me, boom or bust. Gibson looks like a solid pick. They both can play ST. As long as one pans out, we have Harrison’s replacement 3 years from now. If Silvester shows promise and Farrior continues to show his age, he may retire. Foote and Timmons start with Fox and Silvester as the back ups. If not Sylvester is a practice squad candidate. Butler and Worthington must beat somebody out for a roster spot or they maybe practice squad candidates.
Overall we look better. The two best moves this off season were hiring the new OL coach. Kugler and trading for BMAC. Colon said he learned more in the 2 days of practice last week than he learned in 3 years from Z.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions
Not sure Essex will be cut
He has both experience and versatility, two very important characteristics of a back-up lineman.
Agree
Unless they get in a salary crunch Essex is a back up that you can throw into a playoff game at G or (heaven forbid) T. That is an important variable.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Keep a player who has reached his limit, which is not very high
and cut players who are younger and have more upside. That is what has gotten us into the situation where at certain positions we are OLD.
I have never been a fan of Essex and last year I was proven right that he is not very good….No he is really bad.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Cut Essex, I see Foster as a better back-up than him.
by KingDing757 on Apr 25, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Foster better than Essex. Like Essex better than Urbik & Legursky.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
We have not seen what Urbik can do.
Lets see what he has learned from year 1 to 2 during training camp and preseason games. I hope to see more than what we saw last year.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did you hear/read Colon say this?
It all starts in the trenches.
by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Apr 26, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Battle is a lock?
Not sure I buy that he’d neccesarily a lock.
I think he’ll probably win the spot but I don’t think the team won’t cut him because of the bonus etc. That’s pocket change.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 26, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
sirius radio
Sorry I don’t have a link. :(
"They say that when you're the champs, everybody will try to beat you. Well, I'm glad we're champs, so bring 'em on, bring 'em all on. If we die, we ain't gonna die running. It's gonna be a fight." Joe Greene
by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 26, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally disagree on Woodley
The Steelers had zero guys in the pipeline to take over in case of injury or when Harrison finally slows down. I don’t think selecting 2 OLBs has anything to do with Woodley’s next contract.
And here’s a couple of other points:
1. The Steelers probably believe in Ra’Shon Harris. He’s our only young NT – though it’s possible Ziggy Hood could move into that role – and the Steelers didn’t look at anyone else even though they had the opportunity. So I have to believe that Harris showed the Steelers something they liked.
2. Ramon Foster may very well be our long-term solution at guard. This one is debatable (as are all opinions), but Foster played well last year and beat out Urbik for a gameday spot. I think with no guard drafted, the Steelers are comfortable with Essex/Urbik/Foster fighting it out for the other guard spot. Personally, I think it’ll be Foster who wins the spot.
I think we have the interior of the future in house with Urbik, Foster, Pouncey and Legursky. Varying degrees of raw there, but all the Guard prospects have the mentality we want, just have to get their knowledge and physicals up to snuff.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 25, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonny is not a NT
He is too small to play NT. He is a DE. He weighs just under 300. I think that they did not take a NT because Casey showed up for workouts in great shape. He just signed a 3 year contract. and there were too many other needs. Either 2011 or 12 they will draft his replacement.
I agree the long term answer is not Essex at guard. Pouncey starts and either Urbik or Foster emerge as the back up.
I would cut Essex rather than loose another young good prospect. They may carry one more OL and one less DL.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I think out of all the teams that run 3-4s, or at least the successful ones, not a single team has a NT under 300. And the ones I consider “the best” are around or over 325. If you are under 3 bills, you will not be commanding a lot of double teams like Hampton does.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 25, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Ratliff is about the same size
And he’s excellent, even though he’s kinda different from most 34 NTs. He was drafted late too, and Harris is in the same mold. I’m not saying he’ll be as good or even that he’ll be a nose, but you never know…
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
I've never really watched Ratliff play
But I have never heard him been put in the talk of premiere NTs.
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What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He's awesome
Seriously, look at him play next time the Cowgirls are on the tube. He’s been playing the nose for two years and racked up 7.5 and 6 sacks. Might not be prototypical, but really effective…
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
NTs shouldn’t get a ton of sacks. They should be eating up blocks. I will watch next time they I see them. Or maybe he is on youtube…
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by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, Johnny
That’s why I said he’s not prototypical. He gets his fair share of double teams and does a pretty good job at locking up the middle too, but he’s a different type of NT. He attracts double-teams because he gets penetration.
Sometimes I think the NFL is guilty of box-thinking, IMO, looking for stereotypical players and forgetting that players are individuals with their own set of characteristics. Drew Brees was too short, Jerry Rice ran a slow forty, Mike Webster was too small, etc. We’ve all heard it. In the end players produce and help your team or they don’t. It’s not about how you look when you come out of the bus.
That, my friend, was my point. Let’s not give up on Sunny (or any other player) before he gets a chance to prove what he can do…
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
I never gave up on Sunny, I just think he is better suited as a DE than a NT.
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What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, me too!
But anything is possible, no?
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
Truth
I won’t deny that. If anyone had told me we would lose to the Raiders at the beginning of the year, I believe I woulda been laughing all the way up until the final whistle of OT.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
what about the cowboys NT?
What does Ratliff weigh?
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
by nycsteelerfan on Apr 29, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Please read the thread...
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What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 30, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think she is trying to suggest
that the Cowboys have a successful 3-4 and Ratliff weighs under 300.
Ratliff is listed at 303 per cbssports.com btw.
And I wouldn’t call dallas’ defense one of the best 3-4s out there.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 30, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Read above though. After the exact comment she replied to Steelfrog brings up Ratliff and then we discuss his weight and NTs.
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What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 30, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea
very true
Just trying to help.
Like you said I don’t believe a NT like Ratliff is what we would want in our defense. Its not like dallas has a great run stuffing defense anyways.
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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Guard Drafted
I think C Scott from Tenn projects as a guard. Big slow footed tackle basically.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 26, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure why everyone assumes Battle is a lock...
It’s an uncapped year so cutting him won’t have as big of an impact. Remember, they brough McDonald in last year to play the slot and help on ST and he didn’t make it past camp.
I still have my money on Sweed. He can contribute on ST plus he’s our only big body WR. If he’s cut, we won’t have a single receiver over 6’ or 200 lbs. I think we should be parying Sweed makes it, not hoping he gets cut.
Battle may not be a lock...but
it will take a real good effort to unseat him. They are not going to carry too many unproven WR. Sweed has to have his best camp ever. He has to catch everything thrown near him, block like Hines, and show some maturity. If not he is cut.
I do not think that it is a given that both rookie WR will make the opening day roster.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanders is a given
You can’t sneak a third-round pick onto the practice squad, and the team won’t give up on the guy after one training camp. So he has to make the 53-man roster, unless he gets injured. Brown, on the other hand, could easily end up on the practice squad.
Brown is a candidate for Practice Squad
But who is the heir apparent for Hines role. None of the others are known for their blocking. That has sprung both the running and passing games.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
For WRs, blocking can be learned.
Very few college WRs are asked to do any strategic blocking, just downfield blocking after a catch. Hines was a QB in college and did even less blocking.
My concern about these new WRs is going over the middle – Hines does it very well, but lots of WRs won’t do it effectively.
My heros have always been Steelers...
We didn’t draft Hines to block. It isn’t what makes him a HoF candidate. Hines strengths are his hands, his route running, his sick catch radius and his overall football intelligence. He is rarely out of place, and shines when the play breaks down. HE uses positioning and excellent route running to beat less savy CB’s and can find a hole in any Zone defense you throw at him. Earlier in his career he was excellent at gaining yards after the catch. That has dropped off understandably.
If he was a lousy blocker he’d be a great WR. Both Sanders and Brown have Ward-like aspects. Sanders has a large catch radius and has a knack for making plays after the catch. Brown has great acceleration and agility, is a natural slot receiver. You don’t replace a starting WR by looking for a blocker. You replace the production at the position, not look for someone who is most like the player you need to replace.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
86
Watched the divisional playoff game against SD in 2008 this weekend. Hines was HUGE. He had so many big clutch plays in that game it kind of got lost in Holmes PR and FWPs 146. 86: A leader in every sense of the word. A little Bettis certainly rubbed off on this guy but I’m sure he was leading the way since peewee ball.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
He has that aura about him. I think I see it in Pouncey, and that is one of the most exciting things about him. I could see that offensive leadership pass from Hines to Pouncey, and I think Pouncey would be a more vocal leader, not a lead by example guy like Hines.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Pouncey is going to be very good
Now if we can get our guards to play consistently we’ll have one hell of a line.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Battle is strong on ST
He is strong on kick coverage as well as the return game. He’s actually not bad as a receiver, either. He started several games for the 49ers (although that is not saying much), and I would trust him as the third receiver if any of the top guys gets hurt. But the point is that the fifth WR is not going to get into the game very often as a receiver, so the guy in that spot has to be good in as many phases of special teams as possible.
McDonald did make it past camp. He suited up for 4 games I believe. I recall seeing him run a few routes but might have dropped 1 that was thrown at him.
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by John Stephens on Apr 25, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you're probably right..
but my point is still valid. Just because we sign a veteran to come in and compete doesn’t automatically make him a part of the team.
Athletically, Sweed is now one of our most gifted receivers. Unfortunately, he doesn’t respond to being challenged. I think the coaches need to make him realize that he has a bright future in the burgh instead of constantly making him feel like he has to look over his shoulder.
Granted, I know this sounds absurd, but, not every player is motivated the same way. Sweed only lacks confidence. We’re all well aware of his mistakes, and i know he is too, but I think all Steelers fans should be cheering him on. Hopefully, a little support will boost his confidence enough that he will realize his full potential.
If he doesn't respond to being challenged
Then he needs to stop playing football. Opposing players challenge you physically and verbally every game, and if he can’t handle that then he needs to quit sports all together.
If this competition he’s about to face doesn’t bring out the best in him, then he needs to go.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I said it sounds absurd...
but I’ve been around a lot of athletes that can’t take criticism from their coaches and teammates. Every athlete knows they have to have thick skin. My point is the team and FO may need to adjust their style to get the most out of Sweed’s potential.
I just don’t get why everyone wants to just give up on him. I was one of the few people that felt Mendenhall needed more carries before we could judge him but it seemed like half the people on here wanted to run him out of town. Look how he did when his # was called.
I’m sure everyone on here knows what It feels like to screw up and have everyone continue to pound on you as if you don’t know that you made a mistake. the fans will react how they want, but I believe the coaches need to find a way to make sure Sweed is a productive WR. Why waste a 2nd round pick? Like everyone says, it’s not like the 5th receiver will be relied on to make big contributions. For my money, I’d take Sweed over Battle.
by mactastic07 on Apr 26, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Reason why I gave up on Sweed is that he gave up on himself
Actions speak louder than words.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 27, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Jamarcus Russell is one of the most gifted athelets too
But he does not have the drive or the head to be an NFL QB. This isn’t about what you did at the combine or in college. They have to have the drive to take it to the next level and outwork the competition. Not sure about Sweed.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 26, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Only the other hand
I think Sweed had a lot of drive but no confidence and the combination was destroying him (just mo).
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Its all in the number change
its a new Sweed now, #14 is behind us and hello #80. As crazy as it may sounds it may do the trick. Sweed problem is psychological anyways. If he can convince himself that he’s Jerry Rice he may just become that, he has the physical tools.
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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 30, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Still not sure about Woodley's new contract
First off, I would love to see Woodley be a Steeler for life. But I’m trying to read the tea leaves here. Going into the draft, I don’t remember anyone here saying that OLB depth was a high priority. The focus, if anything, was on ILB. So to me, for the team to use its second pick in the draft, in what was supposed to be the best 2nd round in years, to reach for an OLB was a shocker.
You don’t draft a guy in the second round to sit on the bench for years. The Steelers, like most teams, expect their top picks to play a significant role by their second year. If the team extends Woodley’s contract, where is Worilds going to play? Sure, it’s nice to have a decent backup, but you don’t use a second-round pick on depth. Maybe a fourth or fifth-round pick.
And having drafted an OLB in the second round, why come back and draft another one two rounds later? How much depth do you need? These are critical picks that the team could have used to bolster other areas. If the team had not been focused on OLB, they could have chosen Golden Tate, for example, instead of Emmanuel Sanders as the eventual replacement for Hines Ward.
I’m sure the FO wants to keep Woodley on the team, but for those of you that think it will be simple to negotiate a fair contract for Woodley, I have two words for you: Drew Rosenhaus. That’s right, Woodley’s agent has a history of outrageous contract demands. So another way to look at this draft is that the Steelers want to negotiate Woodley’s contract from a position of strength instead of being desperate with no alternative. Unfortunately, Rosenhaus knows that some other team will move Woodley to the right side and pay him like a premier pass rusher. Maybe Woodley will decide he is in a good position with the Steelers, but this draft tells me that Rosenhaus is playing hardball and the Steelers are responding in kind.
We have 2 starting OLB's on the Roster
You forgot about Harrison. Hes nearing mid thirties and we need to groom an eventual replacement, which is hopefully what Worilds will prove to be
ST and Backup player this year, 5 man rotation next year, and then maybe he is due to step in in his 3rd year, if Harrison is running out of gas
Without me, youre only you
I have, and I know I read more people, saying that OLB depth was a huge concern. Heck, I even remember a lot of us clamoring about it the few times Harrison was questionable for a few games because of his bicep. Behind those 2 guys we literally had no one. I believe this became even more apparent after the signing of Larry Foote. That made a lot of people more comfortable with that position but still very concerned about OLB.
By the way, I do not think Worilds is a reach like you suggest. Seems like Tomlin and Colbert really like the guy because of his speed off the snap.
As far as him not playing in his 2nd year, why not? If the Steelers do not like him as much as Woodley and Harrison still has the gas, let him sit and keep learning. Or you can let him take a few snaps here and there to give the other two breathers. Not to add, if he is that quick, he can be a STer just like Harrison started. Eventually, Harrison will lose a step, or if we have an injury, which is likely in a physical sport, he gets his shot. Nothing wrong with having lots of options at a position.
As far as the contract goes, I would not worry about it unless we get into the season and he doesn’t have a contract now. I believe that he is their priority #1 for contracts and they will try to make one with him during camp/preseason. With Holmes off the books, they should have a good amount of space to work with.
The future is not what it used to be.
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by John Stephens on Apr 25, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I was one of those people.
I was predicting a minimum of 2 LB’s and a likely 3 drafted or UFA’d. The best ST coverage players are usually LB’s and safeties. It makes so much sense to get some ST aces at OLB and one at ILB. I thought we might not get an ILB with Foote signed, but the guy we got you really want in our system.
Worilds was not a big reach if a reach at all. He went within 5-8 picks of where he should, that’s not a reach in the second round. Also remember the Patriots were right after us and the Packers four picks after us.
The two OLB taken have two things in common. They are both very athletic and have good agility (both were top performers in the 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle, Worilds adds the 40 and vertical jump, Gibson the bench press) and their tape shows them to be relentless players who have some very rough edges to work out.
The gamble is we turn them into complete players and the only negative they have goes away. A relentless high energy big framed really fast LB is a wonderful thing to have. And our coaching staff and scouts are good enough I think one of these guys is a starter in the future and the other at least a back-up. I expect both to be really good on ST.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Woodley going to be a rfa next year? If so they tender him at the highest tender and get something for him if he leaves. I think they will extend him but to do so may mean the release of some veterans. This will be Farriors and Hartwigs last year in my opinion.
We do not know what the free agency rules will be next year
but the FO will do everything they can to re-sign him this summer. They also have to take care of Colon (assuming he is the answer for RT). Spaeth and Gay are also FA. I assume they will not try to do anything this summer to extend them (if they even make the team,
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, no reason to try to guess at the CBA right now
There may not even be one….
Anyway, I would say, as far as contracts go, we rank them:
1) Woodley
2) Colon
3) Reed
4) Sepulveda
I believe Gay and Spaeth will only stay if they are cheap. If not, we can certainly find better talent in FA or next year’s draft.
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by John Stephens on Apr 25, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Kicker ahead of punter?
Not arguing. I just do not know which would be harder to replace.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
A successful kicker in Heinz is more rare than a successful punter.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear you
Our local team had some issues a couple of years ago. Part of the problem was the stadium design (built when players used to play both ways). The wind would be blowing in different directions on different parts of the field. It took our current kicker a full season before he was consistent.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Super Bowl season we had the worst punter. Last year Jeff Reed struggling cost us how much? And the Ravens lost quite a few with because of a sub-par kicker.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ward
When Hines Ward is done its going to be quick, lots and lots of hits and not getting any younger. In two yrs. if sweed doesn’t turn it around wallace and the two rookies will be the only receivers on the roster. randel el and battle are one year stop gaps. As for the two outside LB they will spell Harrison and Woodley to keep them some what fresh in the 4th quarter. I think this was one of the strongest drafts in recent history and what I’m hearing they brought in some strong udfa.
Sweed does not get two more years to turn it around. It’s this year or he is gone, as this is the last year on his original contract.
The future is not what it used to be.
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by John Stephens on Apr 25, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
James Harrison is 32. he could end any day now. two more years max.
i.e. we need a replacement at OLB. and we all know retraining DEs may not translate into the NFL.
thus we drafted two in case one doesnt pan out.
Lamaar Woodley gone after FIRST CONTRACT????
Sorry im not taking the bait original poster….. thats just inflamatory to get responses. I know you dont believe that song and dance.
and judging by responses it was a great fishing trip.
woodley is EXACTLY what STEELERs are made of and what the F.O. looks for. He goes no where. ever.
Ben is INNOCENT!
uh you're wrong
poster was dead serious. not everybody acts like an ass to get attention like yourself.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 25, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO it was one of the dumbest comments I have read today
I was not going to comment on it, but I changed my mind. There is no way the Rooneys are going to let Woodley go. They will franchise him if need be. Everything I have read and heard, he is happy in the ’burgh.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe so
but believe me, the poster didn’t write that trying to ‘get a rise out of people’. It’s a legitimate question to raise, even if you think it’s entirely incorrect.
this goes back to knowing who’s who here and knowing that steelin’ wouldn’t write something to be controversial just because.
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by Michael Bean on Apr 25, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
To Add
And as much as we all love Woodley, who is to say what $$$ he might command as a FA from the likes of Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, the Pats*? We may want to sign him but not be able to.
I think as much as I want 56 to retire a Steeler it is legitimate to ask if we CAN sign him. I am happy the FO is at least setting up a contingency plan JIC.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Thanks, Blitz
Like I said, I would love to see Woodley stay, and I’s sure the front office wants Woodley to stay. But at some point, if Rosenhaus thinks he can get a monster contract from another team, the Steelers are not going to pay crazy money to keep him. All I’m saying is that the team has to assess its chances of signing the player. And if they don’t think they have a good shot, they will draft Plan B.
P.S. Don’t mix me up with Steelin’ (the dude with the apostrophe that stole my name :-).
hehe, whoops
but believe me, i know who you are and your intelligence. if only some knew….
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by Michael Bean on Apr 26, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
great post, rec'ed
even though I too maybe disagree with one or two of your assessments (actually, not sure I disagree with you though on the Woodley front. Going to be expensive to retain him, and I don;t think he’ll age as well as some think is a foregone conclusion)
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by Michael Bean on Apr 26, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe true
But there is a bit of money freed up now with the release of Holmes, not to mention when Hines retires after we win no.7 this year.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Oh shazamm
I’ll be happy to see 86 go as long as it’s during a shower of confetti in Jerry Jones’s stadium.
"They say that when you're the champs, everybody will try to beat you. Well, I'm glad we're champs, so bring 'em on, bring 'em all on. If we die, we ain't gonna die running. It's gonna be a fight." Joe Greene
by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 26, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So after seeing more information on even the ability to re-sign Woodley for next year,
your post seems to be a springboard to some very good conversation, if nothing else.
Regardless of what people may WANT the front office to do with Woodley, it looks as if there’s going to be a challenge to get it done.
Woodley saw Foote and BMac leave and come back
Why leave when you work for the best franchise in football? Troy’s getting older, Woodley may become the face of the defense.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 25, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why leave?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
It may not make sense to you, but it does to pro athletes. Like Latrell Sprewell says, “I’ve got a family to feed”.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 25, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If Harrison could end it any day now
Why did the FO resign him to a 7 year deal?
Last season was only his 3rd as a starter, so he really has no tread on his tires. Those OLBs aren’t replacing, they’re insurance policies in case he or Woodley goes down. That should’ve been obvious.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 25, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way
How impressive does Butler look? I was devouring both he and Scotty Montgomery’s every word in those news conferences. I understand now why the Steelers worked so hard to keep Keith around when the Dolphins came calling and why he is probably our future D-Coordinator when everyone’s favorite Santa Claus decides to hang them up.
As far as Montgomery, that guy just has the demeanor and, seemingly, intelligence of a future head coach somewhere.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
The day LeBeau tries to quit. . . I say we hold him hostage. I’m not really serious, but there has to be something we can hold on him to make him stay. It’s hard enough thinking of Hines being gone, and you can see the end coming for him physically. LeBeau? If he can scribble a play from a Hospital gurney I want him as our DC.
Ok that over, Keith is great, we did a great thing by keeping him. Montgomery could be our OC when Bruce leaves. Hopefully he’s ready soon and we can ditch Arians.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wish we could be sure of Butler's ability as a DC
He might be very good, but it doesn’t always work out that way.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure it as much of a projection as head coach
He understands the game, seems to be decent at evaluating personnel for Lebeau’s scheme, and is a pretty solid position coach. The only questions are how strong he is at gameplanning and making in-game adjustments, as well as how many new ideas he has toward establishing his own approach to defense.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
I think he will be fine
I’m sure he plays a key part in the gameplanning. The question is under the presure of the game, how will he do calling the defense and making in game adjustments. The FO and Tomlin think he can do it or they would have let him go to Arizona last year. He must think that Lebeau will retire this year (or soon) or he would have taken the DC position with Miami this year.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 26, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Good post and good thread
Lots of thought and analysis. It is sweet when folks have something worthwhile to talk about.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 25, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Woodley
His contract was never going to be renegotiated before the draft. I don’t even think they’ve begun talking. Will be done this summer, he’s the only major one on the agenda.
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
Jerry Jones 14 mill/yr to Ware made me cry the day I heard
I hate that jerk Jones for paying way more than he had to. The Steelers would have paid 9 mill/per, but now Rosenhaus has insane ideas. Our best move is to just keep franchising him after the skipped season in 2011.
Multiple Franchise tags is no way to treat one of the best players on the team...
If it were me personally, I wouldn’t mind getting 5-8 milli for one years work, but the players have different opinions. Franchise him twice and kiss any chance of having a happy Woodley goodbye.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 26, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If they can't work out a deal with him
And they feel they are better off FT-ing him…than do it. Tough titty if he doesn’t like it. Football should be thought of a business and you have to do what’s best for the business. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather work out a deal with him, but if we can’t….
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent use of tough titty...
Always liked that saying. Just the saying though, not the reason for the saying.
Football is a business, no doubt. But playing football is a business too. And if push comes to shove, Woodley’s reasoning would be business too.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 26, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean he would slack off? I don’t think he would do that, because any time you are FT it is a “contract year”, as they say.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, not at all what I meant...
I meant in his eyes, its his business decision to get as much as possible from the team. To say when someone is franchised its just the business side neglects the other side. The players. To them, getting everything they can is their business. Thus the anger at the tag.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 26, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Woodley knows how good he is.
He’s not cocky, but he knows he’s the bomb. If he decides he wants to get paid like it, he’ll go make someone else’s defense an awesomeness machine.
I don’t think it get’s that far. I honestly think they would trade Ben for peanuts and sign Woodley if they had too. Or at least I’d rather them do that than let Woodley go so fatso can play out his days here.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 26, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Woodley’s and Ben’s futures have anything to do with one another.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but the finances aren’t there for a big Woodley contract. Big Ben traded would solve that and other financial issues.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 27, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It’d also ruin our chances of winning #7. QB > OLB.
There is room for Woodley’s contract now that Holmes is off the books.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course this is all dependent upon the state of the NFL and the slalry cap, if there is one.
My point was that if Woodley wants huge money, I’d still rather have him than Ben. And yes I have been disheartened by his off-field behavior. I don’t like him, and while I will continue to support the Steelers as much as ever, I do not nor will support him. I’d rather not win Super Bowls than cheer for that Jack Ass. I’m not saying everyone should agree with me, but that’s where I am with this. I also disagree with the analysts who say we’ll all be over it if he wins games for us. I don’t think a lot of us will be fans of his until he shows he’s grown up and out of his stupidity and jerkishness. That will take a good bit of doing.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You are in the minority then
I’d rather win Super Bowls with a QB with questionable ethics than become the Pittsburgh Fighting Irish. Nobody cares about choir boys that don’t win anything.
This is pro football, not an ethics course.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 27, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want choir boys. I don’t think Ben’s a rapist or even hold his stupid frat boy attitude toward women against him. I can’t stand anyone who thinks they are bigger than the team.
That’s all. When I played sports I’d rather lose witha unified locker room than put up with a player who thinks he’s better than anyone else because he improves our chance to win.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 27, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you
support the team and not support the QB since Qb play is directly related to wins?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Do you positively support all players on the team? The people who yell about Gay being on the team can’t want the Steelers to win because they don’t support a starting CB?
I can sit on my couch and say Ben sucks all day and still be a rabid Steeler fan. Every INT or sack taken, I could flip out and call the radio stations and call him a bum. Every good play I could credit to his team mates.
It really isn’t that hard to do.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 27, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats crazy
so you want to put all the bad on him and none of the good? Its like you want to have your cake and eat it too? Ben will make a play where there are defenders hanging off of him and he makes an excellent throw for a 1st down or TD. I guess you’re just going to say, the line made that play happen or the WR saved Ben. It just sounds like you want it both ways which I guess if you want to live in your own fantasy world thats fine. Like him or not he is on the steelers and the Steelers will win because of him and lose because of him. But I don’t believe that you can separate the two as long as he is the QB of the team.
Gay might not have been good but when he did make a play I recognized him for it. I have no problem with gay being on the team just not as a #2 CB because he isn’t good enough. but he did well as a #3 CB and thats fine for me.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t say I would. Never said it made sense, never claimed it was rational.
Was giving an extreme example of how people can cheer for a team and hate an individual player. My B-i-L does it for Ben already. He interacted with Ben on a trip to Children’s Hospital where he was working as a transporter. Ben was a complete ass to the workers, and would only visit with kids he wanted to, but then was great when he got there, or when the camera’s were on.
I understand the role Ben plays on our team. Recognizing his talent is a vastly different thing than cheering for him. I am perfectly OK with saying Ben made a great play. No problem at all. Doesn’t mean I have to like him. I don’t get where the problem is.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't get that from what you were saying
I’m not saying you have to like him as a person. But you said
I can sit on my couch and say Ben sucks all day and still be a rabid Steeler fan. Every INT or sack taken, I could flip out and call the radio stations and call him a bum. Every good play I could credit to his team mates
Now you say you are prefectly ok with saying Ben made a great play when before you said you will credit it to the team mates.
Do you see how I might have misunderstood your point?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Needed Pash Rushers
The two OLB picks were because they had no true pash rushers on the team beyond Harrison and Woodley. Remember when players like Joey Porter and Mike Vrabel helped on special teams and were situational pass rushers? You can never have enough people to chase down the other QB. I would bet that Woodley stays in the black and gold, but it still helps to have someone come off the bench in the dime or nickel and give him a breather.
This is a great post. Lots of good stuff to discuss.
Not sure that I agree with everything – personally I think it’s too early to make the call on Woodley – but for sure there are a few conversation runners here.
I hate to give up on Sweed, but so far there’s been little or nothing from him. It’s really frustrating when you see that talent, and how crazy open he can get…and yet he’s not able to finish off the play. Then again, another wideout in the 3rd sure sounds like the writing is on the wall. Hope we catch lightning in a bottle twice….
Interesting post
Don’t agree with a lot of it.
1. They were sold on Pouncey. They were drafting him unless something ridiculous was happening.
2. Nice that they picked up McFadden, but I don’t think drafting OLBs instead of DBs was a reflection of need, it was a reflection of philosophy. Colbert’s quote some time ago struck me " If you have a great pass rush, it clears up weaknesses in the secondary", or something like that. Not an exact quote, but that was the meaning he put forth.
3. Agreed on Woodley, and that’s disappointing. it’s the main reason I didn’t care one bit for the Worlids selection.
4. Don’t agree at all on Hampton. That may be how they are looking at it, but I think that is a dangerous game to play when running the 3-4. They had opportunities to pick up their NT for the future in the first 4 rounds, and they simply neglected it. Hampton, and Hoke are well over 30, what happens if Hampton gets injured again? I think it was a big mistake to ignore that obvious need.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
What if Hampton got injured any of the past 5 years?
You can’t just say that and apply to this year alone. If he gets hurt, we’re in a tough situation anyway. You would rather rely on a rookie to man the middle than a proven vet that’s already done it before? That’s not very wise.
And Hoke being over 30 really has no merit because he rarely plays, so his legs are fresh throughout the season. He doesn’t even hardly see the field in the nickel packages anymore.
What would be worse, Hampton getting injured or Harrison getting injured? It’s Harrison because without him our pass rush is gone. Woodley can’t do it by himself and there are no proven rushers on the bench. With all those receivers the Bengals and Ravens picked up in the offseason it’s way more important that our pass rush be upgraded than getting a young backup NT.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Butler's video on team website..
he basically says in the video for Sylvester I think that the top players on the board in the 2nd were not corners. IF they didn’t have the BMac deal in their pocket, maybe they pick a corner there based on need. Colbert has said in the post-draft wrap-up that they drafted with knowledge that this deal was on the table.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 27, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What if ....What if....What if....
No NFL can protect themselves entirely from injuries. Peyton Manning goes down, the Colts are mediocre. Jason Taylor goes down, the Vikings defense is average.
I think we are protected from injuries as much as any NFL team can within the limits of a 53 man roster. This assumes the draft picks last year and this year develop. But there are always exceptions. Nobody can replace #43 as we found out last year.
We won’t be the same team if Big Ben gets in trouble and gets suspended for 6 games. O’h that happened. Doesn’t mean that the other 52 players won’t give it all. Casey goes down we will adjust. The defense will be different. Lets hope that it doesn’t happen.
by Steeler Nation VA on Apr 27, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
With Woodley
being the number 1 priority to get an extension, I can’t see negotiations being a problem. Woodley is more than eager to stay a Steeler, and has down played the role of a huge salary. I’m sure we’re going to pay him a lot of $$$$, but I’m just as sure he will be a Steelers for years to come.
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by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Apr 26, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
+1
I never did that before, and just wanted to. I think this team has the talent to contend again. We’ll see.
This explains a lot about the possibilities for a new contract for Woodley.
Woodley contract extension info.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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