Pittsburgh Steelers & AFC North Draft Grades
Is handing out 'grades' for the 2010 NFL Draft one day removed from its completion a bit ridiculous? Sure is, but that's what the masses are searching for out there, so let's ignore the fact that we won't really know how to assess this year's draft haul for the Pittsburgh Steelers and their primary competitors in the AFC North until several years from now and get to it anyway. To reiterate, the grades are there 'just because.' I tried to sprinkle in some analysis about all the teams' draft classes, but really all evaluation at this point is as subjective as it comes.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Total Picks: 10
Best pick: There's a number of very intriguing players in the Steelers lot of draft picks, but I think only one of them can be classified as a safe bet to be both an important contributor in 2010 and a mainstay on the depth chart for years to come. To me that guy is center Maurkice Pouncey, who could start at guard as a rookie before being moved back to center in 2011 or 2012.
Best 2nd day pick: Who knows, maybe the Steelers could have found a way to get Virginia Tech DE/OLB Jason Worilds a bit later in the draft, but clearly they had him pegged as a guy that fit the mold of what they wanted to do defensively and on special teams. I really like this kid's competitive makeup - seems to love football, tough as nails, versatile in how he can be deployed, and young enough that it's reasonable to think he still has plenty of room to grow physically and in terms of his football IQ.
Best 3rd day pick: There's a number of guys that were drafted on Sunday that I feel can make this roster, but nobody has the potential to have as big an impact in 2010 as Georgia Tech RB Jonathan Dwyer. So he didn't run well at the Combine - big deal. There's a million reasons why that might have been the case. I'd like to take a closer look at Dwyer's career at GA Tech in the near future, but for now I'll just share my number one reason why I love this pick: Dwyer now has a me against the world mentality because of how far he fell in the draft. That's a good thing for a running back that really just needs to concentrate on getting his body ready for the NFL grind and running fearlessly when he gets opportunities.
'Swing pick' (the pick that's hard to assess now but could be key towards determining how the draft is viewed several years from now): Tough choice for me here. I think the Steelers may have found themselves a keeper in Thaddeus Gibson, their 4th round pick out of Ohio State. I also think his collegiate teammate Doug Worthington may develop into a rock solid, if not spectacular, cog in the Steelers defensive line once guys like Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel more noticeably succumb to the effects of aging. One of the knocks on Gibson is his tendency to not play as hard as he's capable of on every single play. That's certainly not a good thing, but something tells me that once he sees that he's competing against beasts like James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley for playing time, not to mention Jason Worilds who has a relentless motor, he'll go at 110% 100% of the time.
Overall Analysis and Grade: I'd hate to do any sort of overview of the Steelers 2010 NFL Draft without mentioning how much I like their 5th round pick Stevenson Sylvester. It's hard to say how he might find the field in 2010 unless there were at least one injury to one of the quartet of regulars, but I just like this kid's game. Quick and capable in the passing game (think staying with Ray Rice on a swing pass), supremely competitive and self-confident, and a plenty-sure tackler. Who knows though, circumstances may be such that he doesn't get much of a chance to show off his stuff in Pittsburgh. I hope that's not the case, but it certainly wouldn't be the first time it's ever happened in Pittsburgh or elsewhere. I think that one of the most interesting picks of the draft was Tennessee OT Chris Scott in the 5th round. If he looks like he can play, the Steelers will have a lot more financial flexibility for 2011 and beyond as a result of them being able to let Willie Colon walk in free agency.
Bottom line is the Steelers finally got a legit talent along the OL in the 1st round, a RB with loads of upside and promise in the 6th round, and a whole bunch of gamers on defense. Every last one of them won't pan out most likely, but several will simply because almost all of them are the types of competitors that won't allow themselves to fail. Throw in the fact that the Steelers addressed their needs in the secondary by re-acquiring Bryant McFadden from the Arizona Cardinals and I think fans have to be thrilled with the roster compared to how it looked just a few short days ago.
Grade: B+
Cleveland Browns
Total Picks: 8 (review CLE's complete draft here)
Best pick: Florida CB Joe Haden may not have been the 'best player available' when the Browns were up at #7 in the 1st Round, but he's certainly a special talent on the outside at cornerback. More importantly, he fills a huge need in Cleveland. The Browns finished the 2009 season 29th on defense in passing yards allowed, and that number may have been even worse had they not been equally bad against the run, not to mention trailing in so many games. Haden should be ready to start from Day 1.
Best 2nd day pick: Tennessee RB Montario Hardesty should be a welcome addition to the Cleveland backfield. Jamal Lewis finally has called it a career, meaning Jerome Harrison had been in need of a running mate to help shoulder the load. Hardesty is very much like Lewis in the way he runs - hard and physical, with underrated agility, footwork and cut-back skills. I'd guess that Hardesty gets over 200 carries and surpasses the 800-850 yard plateau in his rookie year.
Best 3rd day pick: The Browns are going to need the WRs they drafted in 2009 to step up in their second years (Mohamed Massaquoi, Brian Robiskie), but the addition of Carlton Mitchell out of South Florida should help give Jake Delhomme another much needed option in the vertical passing game. Something tells me Delhomme might like him as a deep threat as early as this coming year.
'Swing pick': Obviously the biggest name of the draft for the Browns was Texas QB Colt McCoy, who slipped all the way to the 3rd Round before finally being nabbed by the Browns. It didn't take long for new team President Mike Holmgren to come out and state that McCoy almost certainly won't be playing in 2010. We'll see about that. I personally think Jake Delhomme is going to do just fine with this new change of scenery, but I'm not at all confident saying that he'll be able to withstand the physical AFC North for an entire season. If he were to go down early and Seneca Wallace performed how he usually has - decently but not quite good enough to win consistently - then who knows, McCoy could find himself playing late in the season if the Browns were out of contention. Regardless of what transpires this year though, the Browns are hoping that McCoy can develop into their QB of the future within a few years time. I think he's being a bit underestimated due to his lack of jaw-dropping physical attributes, but he's a lot quicker and tougher than people realize. He's also quite accurate in the type of passing game that Mike Holmgren liked to run in Seattle. And finally, he's extremely experienced having started four seasons at UT. He's played in big games against the best and delivered time and time again. Life will be much tougher for him at the NFL level, but in the right system, I think McCoy is most definitely somebody you can build your team around for a 5-7 year stretch.
Overall Analysis and Grade: It's not going to be a one-year reclamation project for Mike Holmgren along Lake Erie, but I think both and Browns fans have to feel good about what they accomplished this weekend. The secondary was improved with the additions of Haden and safetys T.J. Ward (2nd round) and Larry Asante (5th round); a workhorse RB was acquired, and Shawn Lauvo, an OT from Arizona State gives the Browns some immediate depth along the line and a potential long-term solution at RT opposite of Joe Thomas at LT. The one area the Browns didn't really address was talent along the defensive line. I suppose the secondary was deemed more important, but next year I imagine they'll need to add some disruptive forces in the trenches. If not, no amount of talent in the secondary will be able to survive in today's pass-friendly NFL.
Grade: B+
Cincinnati Bengals
Total picks: 9 (view CIN's complete draft here)
Best pick: The sky's the limit for 1st round draft pick Jermaine Gresham, the immensely talented TE out of Oklahoma. But I think he's far more likely to underperform than is their 3rd round pick, Jordan Shipley. The former UT standout is not only going to be a favorite of Carson Palmer's, he's also going to be a special teams ace for the Bengals. Great pickup.
Best 2nd day pick: Most definitely Jordan Shipley, though CB Brandon Ghee (3rd round) and DT Geno Atkins provide solid depth on a defense that's suddenly looking quite scary.
Best 3rd day pick: Never heard of him for obvious reasons, but OG Otis Hudson is apparently a nice find in the 5th round by Cincinnati.
Swing pick: The Bengals draft could hinge on how DE Carlos Dunlap adjusts to life at the professional level - both on and off the field. Can he stay out of trouble first of all? Even if so, can he play harder more consistently than he did in college, where he was able to more easily rely on his ridiculous athletic gifts? If he materializes into a monster then the Bengals may look back at this draft as one of the franchise's best ever.
Overall Analysis and Grade: A really solid draft for the Bengals if you ask me. What's gotten into the water there? That's two years in a row they've done nicely. The Bengals will need to cross their fingers that TE Jermaine Gresham stays healthy and interested in tapping his immense talent. But if he does, their offense should be quite a bit better than it has been the past few years. Throw in Jordan Shipley plus some depth along the OL and the Bengals have every reason to be optimistic that their offense will match the play of their budding defense.
Grade: B+
Baltimore Ravens
Total picks: 7 (review BAL's complete draft here)
Best pick: The safe bet here is Sergio Kindle, if he can stay healthy.
Best 2nd day pick: Sergio Kindle fell to the 2nd round for 'character' concerns and worries about his injury history, but without trying to start a debate about character, I'll just say that I'm familiar enough with the UT program and Kindle to know that these concerns are not all that founded. Yes, a DUI is a red flag, no two ways about it. But kids make mistakes all the time, and we're not exactly talking about a gun charge or repeated behavioral problems. Want to talk character? How about the character Kindle has shown getting his body to where it is after entering college as a wiry and fairly skinny kid. Anyway, color me scared of what Kindle may do against our offensive tackles.
Best 3rd day pick: Take your pick. There's quite a few that could turn out to be steals for the Ravens. There's David Reed, a WR from Utah that will benefit from Derrick Mason's tutelage; there's a high risk vs. reward selection in the 5th round, DT Art Jones from Syracuse; and there's 4th round pick Dennis Pita, a TE from BYU that will probably find a place on the Ravens' roster in 2010. Hard to say really, as I think all bring something different but important to the table for Baltimore over the course of the next few seasons.
Swing pick: This year's draft for the Ravens should be closely tied to Terrence Cody's future. If the massive DT out of Alabama materializes into an unmovable force in the middle of Baltimore's defense, then this draft will go a long way towards making Baltimore's defense scary good once more in the middle part of this decade (I wouldn't classify it as that last year or heading into this year).
Overall analysis and grade: The Ravens have to feel pretty darn good about their draft haul considering they didn't even pick in the 1st round. Every one of their picks, even 7th round OT Ramon Harewood, has a change to be real good. Not just squeak by and make the roster good. Pains me to say it, but a job well done by Ozzie Newsom and company.
Grade: A
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Nice analysis.
I feel like Sanders is a major swing pick also, if in a few years he is starting opposite Wallace. I love the Sylvester pick also.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Good take on Kindle...
One incident rarely defines an individual. I just wish someone other that Baltimore had taken a “chance” on this guy — say someone in the NFC West for example.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
I don't think Cody is a prototypical NT..
he only moves in one direction. Granted, big Snack doesn’t move as well as he used to, but out of college he moved well laterally and could push the OL in all directions. All of the best NTs are multidimensional and not just big. IMO, Cody is big, that’s it. And given that we just picked up Pouncey and Cleveland has Mack, I think he’ll be neutralized in our division.
Beyond Kindle, no one from Baltimore’s draft scares me. Dickson and Pitta may be alright, but I don’t think either is as talented as Heap.
cody is gonna be worse than snack with his weight. if the ravens are smart they put a fat clause in his contract. i think kindle is good but i dont see him as too terribly scary. tight ends in the baltimore offense means nothing they dont use them the right way. i think if i was gonna rate the drafts of the afc north it would be as follows baltimore- b- cleveland c- cincy – b pittsburgh b+ i think cincy had a slightly better draft than baltimore and im still scratching my head at a few of the picks made by cleveland. i think of the ten picks pittsburgh made 6 or so will make the roster due to being better than the first or second string player on the team right now.
by guns dont kill people pittsburgh does on Apr 25, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed with your ranks more or less
… but if we want to include McFadden and Leftwich in our ranking, then we should include Boldin in the Ravens’, and that should increase their grade a bit.
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
Cody's a fatass
Nothing more. Strangely, there are guys who make a living in the NFL being a fatass at NT. Ted Washington comes to mind. Gilbert Brown. To a lesser extent than those two, Sam Adams.
People don’t appreciate how athletic Hampton is. Short of going the Joel Steed route (steroids), there is no way to be an NFL 3-4 NT and be more athletic than Casey Hampton.
by theobserver on Apr 25, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you know how athletic Cody is
He’s much better than you think. Ozzie doesn’t make a lot of mistakes.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 25, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you. How come you all think we would have picked a guy in the 2nd round if he was gonna be terrible? Ozzie is the best talent evaluator in the league, and knows more about Alabama than anyone in the league. Funny that if he was drafted for the Steelers, he would be Casey Hampton 2.0 right?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
No
He still would have the risk of eating himself out of the league.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 26, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It is difficult,
but we can be objective at times. Cody has great potential as a big, immovable object for you guys, but his overall athletic ability is not that great. Still a solid pick and, sadly, I agree with you that Ozzie fantastic at evaluating talent.
Ozzie is the best talent evaluator in the league?
That’s why you all always had those star CBs and WRs?
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And SBs for that matter
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough league to win in
We got one, so that is a plus and came very close other times. Getting to the playoffs consistently does show that the front office is doing something right.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I'm not aruging you aren't doing it right
But saying Ozzie is the single best talent evaluator in the league is laughable, considering a lot of teams are getting to the POs frequently and getting further than the Ravens frequently.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Laughable? That is insulting
You are making him sound like he is a Matt Millen joke. I think there is a reason he was the most talked about GM over the last 3 days. Can’t tell you how many times I heard his name between ESPN and NFL network along with many other media outlets.
Of course I am going to say he is the best because I am a homer, but there are many, many others outside of our fan base who will tell you the same. He is top 5 without a doubt and if you saw everything he has done with us, you would think so to. But I don’t expect a steeler fan to think highly of anyone associated with our team.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
You are making mountains of mole hills. I am arguing he is not the best. Not saying he is not very good, a top 5 for sure. How can you definitively say he is better than Colbert? Or the Patriot’s guy? Or the Colt’s guy? You cannot.
And really….you are using ESPN as a source?
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the guys who reported that the Steelers would trade Roethlisberger and have now taken down that article?
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris McAlister, Duane Starks and Samari Rolle were some
of the best in the league during their time with us. He did bust in WR, but so do so many other teams. Don’t deny what is true.
And I do find it funny that the Steeler fans are the only ones who see our draft as not being strong at all. Every other expert and fan base does, wonder why you guys don’t?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I thought I saw an "A" up there
And I, myself told you during the open thread that you guys had an awesome draft. Stop looking through your, “All-Steeler-fans-are-assholes” glasses for a change.
Well I am reading on this exact thread that Kindle and Cody were not good picks and will be busts. Some of you got it right, but others are stating these things because of bitterness.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
True, true
But keep in mind that there’s always going to be some low-grade ball-busting between the two teams. I remember a certain feathered friend who would pop up during the open threads to get in a dig whenever the Steeler fans were pulling their hair out over some uncomprehensible draft move.
LOL
Dude, I would have missed it, if you weren’t there.
Good. Expect an even more annoying Malor come September.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
You are the only team with an A up there, not even an A-. Would it help you sleep at night if Blitz changed it to an A++++++++ with a smiley face?
I never said you did not have a good draft, just that Ozzie is not the single best talent evaluator in the league.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
i know MaLor, shall we roll over BAL BD and worship the Wizard of Oz with you?
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
alright, i'll get right on it
(eye roll)
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Change the smiley face to a star and I will be satisfied. I was not talking about Blitz, but rather the people who commented on here saying it was not good for us and their only reason is “Cody is fat.”
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Can’t argue with their logic though, he is pretty fat.

The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
even Andre Smith
can’t compete with those moobs
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like his body is making a face
A very sad and depressed face.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
regarding DWYER…. just look for him on the current 2010 EA SPORTS NCAA cover…..
hes THAT good. dead serious.
Ben is INNOCENT!
joey harrington was the NCAA football cover
as was Jared Zbransky and Eric Crouch. So that isn’t a true indicator of awsomeness
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"It's a great day to be a mountaineer, where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 25, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
good pt
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by Michael Bean on Apr 25, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea this is fake by the way
There are so many versions of these out there that people put together. For NCAA basketball, there is one with Greivis Vasquez on the cover. Dwyer will not be on the cover. Sorry to break your heart.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Disagree on Kindle
Well, only partly. I won’t say that one incident defines his character. I’m with you there.
I just don’t think he’s as good as folks think. Watch his bowl game, and he’s getting shut down by tight ends.
He’s more hype than anything and I think he’ll be a bust. Cody, on the other hand — I hated him as a first rounder, but think it was a good pickup for them. You don’t need him to do anything but sit next to Haloti Ngata and not move on run downs.
I agree, Cody's a space eater...
but he’s def not going to be one of the more dynamic playmaking nose tackles…Not at the Pro level. He could dominate college centers (most are under or around 300lbs) with sheer size.
If teams don’t have to double him, then he’ll be useless for the Ravens. As it stands, I think Pouncey/Hartwig, Mack and many other centers are capable of handling Cody one on one. But, I reserve the right to be wrong.
by mactastic07 on Apr 25, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The bowl game?
As in, the one where he had 8 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, and 2 sacks?
Shut down, indeed!
You ain't hurt...
watch the game
His sacks come on unblocked blitzes. Colin peek gave him fits as just a te. I’m not buying the kindle love.
by syrsteelerfan on Apr 26, 2010 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was at the game
And watched every game of Kindle’s career. If he’s used properly, he’ll thrive. I don’t think Ozzie drafts him without knowing how he’ll be used. Sergio’s first step, lateral range, and pursuit are elite. If they keep him on his feet, he’ll be a high quality NFLer.
You ain't hurt...
well, you've been following a lot more closely than me
so I’ll defer. I still maintain it’s a troublesome sign if a UDFA TE can tie up your elite passrusher.
by syrsteelerfan on Apr 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
DE vs OLB
I’d agree with your concerns if I thought Kindle was being drafted by a team plugging him in to play DE, but at OLB in the 3-4 he’s going to wreck.
You ain't hurt...
Are you the brother of some dude named Michael Bean?
I swear I heard that guy robbed a bank last week.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Our best third day pick...
in terms of value, is Chris Scott. He will be just good enough to keep us from missing Starks or Colon if/when they get injured. I think he would be an upgrade over what we had last year at right guard, and would be Kemo’s equivalent. He’s my player to watch next fall.
"Believe you can and you're halfway there." TR
interesting
I hope you’re right. Don’t know too much about the guy. Sounds promising though!
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by Michael Bean on Apr 25, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all about the O-line
and hope you’re right. I haven’t seen him playm so I have no basis to offer an opinion. If nothing else, I hope we drop Hills this year.
I don't agree
Scott does not have the feet to play LT at this level. He’s going to struggle a lot with quickness. He’s an ok run blocker but not a good pass blocker, which is the last thing we need. He’s a PS player right now.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 25, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Definately Practice squad
Along with Brown in my opinion
by TrueSteelerForLife on Apr 25, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you're right
We need someone who can step in at RT in 2 years. We can’t give Colon the kind of money we gave Starks. Up to this point, he hasn’t proven he’s worth it. Maybe this year?
Dwyer got 1300 yds 2 years in a row by turning off tackle plays into 40 yards
I was a Ga Tech fan as I used to live 8 blocks from their stadium. I saw Dwyer turn off tackle plays into 40 yards many times the past 2 years. That is how he go 2700 yards in 2 years even though he ran up the middle so often. Dwyer will push a crack well to get 4 or 5 yards. That is expected when looking at his physique. What is not expected, is that when a couple good blocks show Dwyer some green space, he accerates into it with a good angle and is then heck for the 200 lb DB’s to pull down. The Steeler fans will surprised the first time the “Diesel” get any north-south running room. Maybe with Pouncey, big Urbek, and Kemo there will be a little space on occasion. For the same reason, a draw play could be worth a look.
Dwyer comes into a great situation
Mendy is set as the starting. Moore’s role is 100% defined.
Dwyer will spell Mendy five to ten carries a game. He’ll be in their as a changeup threat on odd third downs (3rd and 3 or 4), just to inform teams they have to watch the inside run.
Over the course of a season, Dwyer’s carries will go up, until he’s consistently at 10+.
In the NFL, you need two starters at halfback, and Dwyer will be the Steelers unquestioned #2. Which, frankly, is a sweet way to make a living at the NFL’s physically toughest position.
by theobserver on Apr 25, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Playing for Paul Johnson in the only big time triple option offense left in D1 (except for the academy schools), he has to be a no-nonsense kid. Tough and quick, pretty good feet. Passing game will be all new but I have hopes for him to be a productive back. Jerome Bettis made the transition from part-time FB at ND under Holtz, to I back in the NFL. Hopefully, Dwyer will be another Steeler back who can run hard and grind out first downs when needed.
"Franz" in NoCal
I like the nickname. Ya know...I think most "Busses" run on "Diesel"
I know, bad joke.
Really though, and I said it earlier, the FO is bringing a lot of new young OL guys. I like it. Again, it is competition. But I also think they wanna see what they have, if they can develop these guys into starters in a year or two. Look at Jason Peters.
I also love the Sylvester pick. I watched a few Utah games last season and was impressed at his instincts. He is a patient player who diagnoses plays quickly, and gets to the ball fast.
I think we have some young, hungry guys that are going to surprise a lot of us.
But what about Keisel the Diesel?
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 25, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"didn't run well at the Combine"
Some day someone is going to explain to me why Combine 40 times matter.
I don’t give a rat’s ass how you run without pads under ideal conditions. I want to see what you run like on your 25th carry in soaking cold rain, with the defense kicking your line’s ass.
I really care more about shuttle, Ten yard split times and Verticals
those tell me more about a players explosiveness than a 40 will
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"It's a great day to be a mountaineer, where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 25, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
hated seeing colt mccoy go to the stains
my wife’s related to him – guess I have to root for him to do well and get let down by the brownie D, or get traded or something.
"You know how football is - if your mother's on the other team and you're coming out to play football, you're gonna hit momma" --L.C. Greenwood
You don't have to root for him
you don’t have to reverse what John Banazak’s dad did, and become a Browns Fan after being a Steelers fan
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"It's a great day to be a mountaineer, where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 25, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Our Picks and Our Future
Cris Scott (new draft choice) needs to get into the gym and tone up that “baby fat”. Wish we could get Faneca for one or two years to give Scott a chance to grow and learn. Time for Tony Hill and Craig Urbik to step up and show what they have learned. My main concern is getting a replacement for “Snack”. I think he is the weak link of our defense because no one is pushing him for minutes. Wish we could get a “young” aggressive NT who “really” wanted to replace “Snack” in the lineup. Maybe we need to check out Oghobaase from Duke? Snack doesn’t have any competition and has become “lazy and complacent”. Also think that Doug Worthington (new draft choice) would be a better as a DE. He might be a good replacement for Keisel (needs to ad about 10 or 15 pounds). If we can address these two positions, I think that we will have the “best” defense in the NFL. Our “brain trusts” were very wise in their selections. It may not seem like it now, but the “doubters” will see the wisdom in it next year and the year after. We really bolstered our special teams unit. We now have “head hunters” and “real” returners. Maybe Czech will step up and show Jeff Reed how to kick the ball “into” and “out of” the endzone. I also think that Dixon will show Ben that he had better get his act together or he will be EXPENDABLE. I am pulling for Ben to grow up and be a “man”. I am still VERY skeptical that he can do it. I think that his problem is EGO. He is really in need of a “mentor”. He should LISTEN to Bradshaw. who has “been there and did that”. What a waste of talent.
nice points
Like you said, Czech would be great to have as a kickoff specialist. Having said that, I just don’t think we are going to have enough room on this already packed, supersaturated squad. I’m afraid we’re going to have to deal with another yr of kickoffs going to the 15 yd line. I agree with you 100%, but I don’t think we will have room for Czech.
I’m have this gut feeling that there will be a lot of guys on the team last yr that will be getting their walking papers actually due to limited space. Some people that need to beware are: Logan, Bailey, A. Harrison, Townsend, Madison, McHugh, Tony Hills, and a few others.
Logan
hope you are wrong about logan but he has his work cut out for him if he wants to stay.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 26, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
You thinking that Hampton has become “lazy and complacent” makes me think you are “out of your freaking mind”. SEEUMSAYIN
Hampton
I watch him VERY closely because (although it was a long time ago) I played that position in HS, military football and semi pro football. I played 60 minutes – Offense, Defense and kickoffs. I know what he is supposed to do and he is NOT doing it well. There is NO reason why he should come out of the game breathing heavy after a few plays early in the game. I understand that he is not going to make a lot of sacks. His duty is the space from guard to guard and to keep that middle jammed up. He mainly “contains”. He will get trapped and “double teamed” a lot – then it is up to the LBs to help out. He will also do some "stunts with the LBs and sometimes "blitzes with the DB’s. He has to get into the “mind” of the Center and keep him guessing what he is going to do next. Observe him more closely – I DO.
From what I've heard
he showed up to OTAs in the best shape he’s been in for years, so I expect him to not be sucking wind like you’re talking about this year.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 26, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Hampton
Hey, I hope so. I read the post also. Love my Steelers and want our defense to be back at #1 where it belongs. I just want to see competition at his position. We have a lot of talent from the draft and from the “projects” that we drafted in the last 2 drafts, but Casey’s position is the only one I feel is undermanned if he goes down with an injury.
Disagree on the Ravens
Ozzie usually has a very good draft, but this one was nothing but picking up big name/school guys who fell through the rounds. More often than not, there is a reason these guys fall. Ozzie is one of the best in the business, but I don’t think he is smarter than the other 31 GMs combined.
Their two big picks (Cody and Kindle) have injury, weight, character, and work ethic issues between them.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Apr 26, 2010 7:23 AM EDT reply actions
Ozzie usually has a very good draft, but this one was nothing but picking up big name/school guys who fell through the rounds.
What? So it would have been a good draft if he picked small school guys that feel through?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Ozzie
can make mistakes like Kevin can make mistakes, I think that’s all he is saying.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 26, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Very nice Article Bean.
I like all the Steelers picks, though like every one else. I think they could have done better in he 2nd round.If the new LBs make the special teams better in 2010 even that would be a great start.
Now it is up to the players they picked.How much do they really want it, now that it becomes a full time job. When lifting weights ,studying play books and practicing becomes an all day thing in their lives.Will they still want to make it happen. I think that is one of the things that keeps draft picks from becoming all they could be in the NFL.
That last DT they took. Do you think they will the Steelers will keep him on defense or will they try to make him into an OT.
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
Worthington DT
Methinks he would be a good candidate for DE as an understudy to Keisel. He’s a perfect size and with his frame he could add more weight and still be a good size (if needed).
thanks
I only brought that up because some analyst (on TV) with nothing better to say mentioned that, late Saturday.
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
by steeler junky on Apr 26, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The Sylvestor and Dwyer picks were really good. Ive watched Dwyer closely in the ACC and he reminds me of a more athletic Lendale White. Should not have made it out of the 5th round.
Sylvestor was also really good pick. Only problem I have with your draft was why so many OLB? That was probably your least needed position, maybe 1 guy to rotate in and out for Harrison/Woodley. But 3 guys?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
STs
Each of those guys will be expected to excel on STs right now if they are to make the team.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 26, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Only problem I have with your draft was why so many OLB? That was probably your least needed position,
Tell me. If Woodley or Harrison goes down, who plays? Yeah…we had no one. Its the position not everyone talked about as a position of need, but I kept arguing it was. Additionally, Harrison is 32 and eating up a high contract. If Worilds, Gibson, or Sylvester can step up and be a player that’d be huge. Or maybe we can even transition one of them into an ILB. Probably for next year they will all be STs while maybe getting a few snaps toward the back end of the year.
I don’t think 3 OLBs is outrageous when your defense is dependent on a successful pass rush. Without pressure on the QB, a zone blitzing 3-4 is a big fail.
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sylvester will be the ILB
He played OLB in a 4-3. The other two were DEs
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
We just dumped a problem WR just so we could draft another?
by Steel in FL on Apr 26, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There ya go!
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on Apr 26, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Got it
Just trying to see the whole picture. Gibson is a monster. Thank god Harrison is 32, cannot wait for his career to be over. He is a headache for me. And thank god you guys passed on Graham, but Pouncey was definitely the better choice.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
+1 on the Harrison headache
sob he’s a killer…. and now has understudies….F man
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The more talented OLBs you have
The easier it is the rush the passer, duh.
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Apr 26, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
depth
behind woodley and harrison, there’s no real talent there. p. bailey and a. frazier are the back ups. timmons could play there but he’s more suited to play inside.
B. Mac & Leftwich helps this draft be a B+
How many teams can say they will have two opening day starters from this draft right now (unless Dixon beats out Leftwich)? I have to confess I was scratching my head after the Steelers passed on CB after CB. However, when I saw the ticker that said the Steelers had gotten BMac back, I said, “Hell Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about!!!!” With BMac and a healthy Troy, the Steelers just got two playmakers back in the secondary.
Who cares about what BMac did in Arizona. When he was here, he was the best CB on the squad and is only 28 years old. Kudos to K. Colbert for locking him up for 3 more years and for getting Leftwich an additional year on his contract.
I think Dwyer and Pouncey will turn out to be core Steelers players from this draft. I’m also interested to see how Worilds, Gibson, Sanders and A. Brown work out. I don’t think that Stefan Logan is a lock to make this team because he doesn’t play a regular position. As far as undrafted free agents, don’t count out LT Ciron Black from LSU. Anytime you start for four years at LT in the SEC at a big-time school like LSU, you are a good football player. He’s a better fit inside, but that tackle experience gives him a better shot to impress and possibly stick.
I have to admit, I feel so much better about this team going into 2010 after this year’s draft than I did before it. I still hate losing Santonio for a 5th round pick, but the franchise has moved on and so have I. This D could get back to being scary again (in a good way) real soon. Also, I think the draft showed how much D. LeBeau & Tomlin like Ziggy, Harris & McClendon in the DL rotation going forward. Okay, time to get ready to enjoy the summer and tune back into football in August.
Browns draft is the most puzzling
They absolutely needed to upgrade their secondary, but from reading about Haden, I don’t know that he’s a top ten pick. But that’s a quibble.
I’m no college football expert, but I’ve seen enough of Jimmy Clausen and Colt McCoy. And for the record, I’m biased against both Notre Dame and Texas. I have no idea why McCoy is considered a viable NFL QB. I wouldn’t have spent a first rounder on Clausen either, but with Bradford out of the mix, I’d take a shot in the second on Clausen or take a flyer on a lower rounder guy or two instead of McCoy in any round.
As for the defense, the secondary definitely needed help, so I can’t criticize heavily for three picks in that area, but I’d be shocked if they weren’t near the bottom of the league in sacks.
Not that it matters much in Cleveland who the QB is any time in the near future because they have the most lackluster group of receivers and tight ends in the league. And they drafted only a single WR in the 6th round, no tight ends and Hardesty is hardly a receiving threat.
I just don’t see that this iteration of the Browns is going to be any different that any of the other recent vintages.
Ravens: Depends a ton on whether Kindle can beat guys one-on-one and whether Cody can handle the transition to the NFL lifestyle. But I don’t think either is going to have a huge bearing on how Baltimore succeeds or fails this year. They’re built around Flacco, Rice and an underrated passing game. If the secondary is healthy, they’re scary.
Bengals: This draft reminds me of when the Cowher-Donahoe team took over in the early 90’s. They made a point of drafting guys from college powerhouses and the major conferences. At this point, I don’t know that the Bengals have any glaring weaknesses. But I don’t know that they’re particularly strong in any area either. They’re indicative of another Cowherism: the fine line.
Steelers: During the draft, I always find myself pulling for the names that are most recognizable to me. So, for instance, when they pass on Golden Tate in the second and take Emmanuel Sanders in the third, I’m baffled. Obviously, the biggest move was getting McFadden back. That puts everything else in to place. I think too much is made of the Dwyer pick. If he plays more than ten snaps a game, something is wrong with Mendenhall which would be a killer. I think not enough is made of the Chris Scott pick. He could backup at three different spots and be an upgrade in run blocking over Essex (who would hopefully have that role in the coming season).
I’m most curious to see if one of either Worilds or Gibson someday make the transition to the inside. I could see Worilds, in particular, take over in Timmons spot as Timmons replaces Farrior. Just a thought.
As for the Steelers in 2010? Defense has got to revert back to ‘08 form. I don’t buy the argument that statistically they were almost as good in ’09. It was a big step down from ’08 to ’09. I expect more improvement from Mendenhall on offense and a better showing from special teams, but if the defense repeats its less-than-dominant performance, the Steelers are looking up at Baltimore and Cincy.
Comparison
I didn’t get to watch either of them play in college, but I wonder how Dwyer compares to Leblount. They seem to be around the same size. They played in different offensive systems, but in the Steeler’s system (at least the current one without a fullback) how might they compare?
lmao @ this comment
A really solid draft for the Bengals if you ask me. What’s gotten into the water there? That’s two years in a row they’ve done nicely.
What’s gotten into the water there? lmao, i’m a little stunned, too.
Honestly, I was really impressed with the AFCN drafting this year. I thought all teams improved depth and i’m def looking fwd to 2010.
The AFCE and NFCS are gonna feel the AFCN wrath this season.
Hope everyone’s excited about their new draft picks, I know I sure as hell am.
3 yards and a pile of dust
I'm excited that your guys only drafted a TE in the 1st round. :P
"Hey baby, want some Adam West penis?"
- Adam West
well,
we drafted a TE in the 3rd round last year.
I’m def happy about Gresham, but prob equally excited about Carlos Dunlap and Jordan Shipley.
Who’s your favorite new Steeler? I’m interested to see how Worilds works out, what say yall?
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
All of them!
Not really. I like the Sylvester pick. We need some good ILBs to groom. ST gives them a place to so so. I also really like Worlids. There are a lot of pundits saying if he had stayed another year he would have been top 10 next year.
I do not look forward to Gresham, beastly.
yeah, I saw JW’s name pop up for the Steelers. thought to myself, “that’s PIT being PIT….pass rush pass rush pass rush.”
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the whole idea.
Why do you need elite corners if your linebackers are terrorizing the QB?
Seriously, we would have been 12-4 if Deebo had not been in uncalled chokeholds the entire season. And don’t hand me that bullshit about “I’m just crying about the refs”, because your team benefited from the one-sided holding calls in both games last year.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, and I do try my best to not “live in the past”, but opposing teams fans (especially division rivals) brings it out in me. :)
"Hey baby, want some Adam West penis?"
- Adam West
Its aiight Fever
you absolutely correct though about the holding, its getting crazy, I feel like it will be worse this year
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, I remember one game last year...
The LT was literally hanging from Deebo’s back, with his arm around his throat and still there wasn’t a call…
"Hey baby, want some Adam West penis?"
- Adam West
I really, really like Pouncey.
He manhandled Terrance “Mounds” Cody, and demolished Dan Williams last season. I don’t think we’ll need to look for another center for 5-10 years.
"Hey baby, want some Adam West penis?"
- Adam West
yeah
that’s always a good thing when you know you can plug in a guy on one of your lines and not worry about that position for a long long time….especially center. It’s taken the bengals 4 years to fix that position.
"Mounds"
very well done….lmao
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, that guy has more rolls than a bakery.
I know I’ve said this before, but it really is refreshing to have a decent conversation with a fan of a rival team. :)
"Hey baby, want some Adam West penis?"
- Adam West
by Steel Spike on Apr 26, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious
I am curious to see how Doug Worthington works out. I think that he will be a natural for DE. Hope he learns well from Keisel and Aaron Smith. I think that we had a good draft that will really boost our defense for the future AND present. It is really going to make our “special teams” improve significantly. We drafted some “hitters and headhunters” and I think that they will excite us and make us proud. Am looking for some long kickoff and punt returns from our new crop.
National Football Post gives the Steelers an "A" for this draft ...
but, on the same hand, it gave Cleveland well as one. Anyone who says Cleveland gets an “A” in anything has to be scrutinized very closely and their opinion taken with a grain of salt. Anyway, here it is:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2010-NFP-draft-grades.html
Wow
Three teams in the AFC North with A grades, and the Bengals with a B. I think that it is the toughest division in the NFL. Second in NFC East, and third is AFC East.
Things are going to get tough for the Steelers coming up. Great division. i think everybody drafted well.
I for one would like to see competitive games within our division week in and week out. I think have guaranteed wins over the Browns and Bengals is boring. Way to step up AFC North.
glad to hear
we’re at least not boring…
i think its gonna be a smashmouth kinda year up and down…. can’t wait for the AFCN to get things started. (Week 17’s gonna be a good one)
3 yards and a pile of dust
by Hudepohl Dey on Apr 26, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, this year will definitely be an interesting one.
Defending the division crown will be no easy task by any means, and to me it looks like the toughest division in the NFL just got tougher across the board.
Good to see other CJers reppin’ it here. I don’t feel as much like a dick in the yard(Always Sunny reference in case you didn’t catch it).
I honestly felt that we would have got Pouncey if you guys didn’t. Though with the emergence of Kyle Cook, we probably would have had him playing at G. Still, excellent pickup for you guys.
My fave pick for us, though, has to be Shipley. He’s the new version of Housh, and will make an immediate impact.
My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. FIRE DUSTY! NOW!
2. Cavaliers Championship
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV
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