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Thoughts and Notes on the Rookies

Not that we really needed another draft recap, but here is my take on the incoming rookie class now that things have settled down a bit.   

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Round 1: Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida

Here are some notes from various scouting reports on Pouncey:

- Can anchor vs. bigger NT’s
- Good pass protection, lateral agility
- Can pull/trap, gets to the second level
- Good drive blocker
- Plays with very good leverage
- Intelligent

With centers, you usually have an either/or proposition: they can either be athletic, finesse types like Jeff Saturday that would last about as long as Sean Mahan in the AFC North, or you get big oafs like Justin Hartwig that can anchor against nose tackles but can barely lay a hand on quicker DT's in pass protection.  Sometimes it's easy to see superlatives like "devastating run blocker" and miss things like "dumb as hell" or "absolute toolshed in pass protection", which is one reason I'm glad we drafted Pouncey instead of Iupati.  There are very few NFL centers that can match Pouncey's combination of physical attributes, technique, and football intelligence, including last year's first rounders Wood and Mack.  The two that come to my mind are Jason Brown and Nick Mangold

Pouncey was a good value at 18, and I'm excited to see us draft an OL that can upgrade both pass protection and the running game.  I would not have objected to picking Bulaga, but it would have been some time before he worked his way into the lineup, whereas Pouncey really addresses the least talented part of our roster and can step in immediately.  Bulaga also has more physical limitations to his upside - many doubt he'll ever be an All-Pro LT, whereas the 20 year old Pouncey could turn into the best center in league.  He could "anchor the line for the next 10 years", at which point he'd be 30. 

I didn't feel the need to draft a "run-only" NT in the first round, and as it turned out, the Steelers didn't feel the need to draft one at all.  Also, while a CB like Wilson would have been a good pickup, the McFadden trade late in the draft makes passing on one more justifiable.

Round 2: Jason Worilds, OLB, Virginia Tech

This was easily the most confusing pick in the draft, at least initially.  On the surface we need better depth at OLB, which Worilds provides.  However, polished DE's take time to learn the OLB position, and Worilds is more of an athlete than anything at this point.  I would not be surprised if Worilds struggles if he's asked to contribute on defense in his rookie year. 

Having said all that, Worilds is no Bruce Davis.  He is an athlete.  The coaches like his hips in pass coverage.  He has a lightning fast first step.  He ran a 40 at his pro day that puts safeties to shame.  He can leverage his strength to stand up much larger linemen.  His upside looks something 3 parts Joey Porter, 1 part James Harrison.  In the interim, he's supposed to be a beast on special teams. 

Other options included Golden Tate, Sean Lee, Charles Brown, and this guy.  Sean Lee could have provided immediate depth and not a whole lot of upside at... the position we have great depth and limited upside at.  Passing over Tate felt better after we drafted...

Round 3: Emmanuel Sanders, WR, SMU

To my eyes, Emmanuel Sanders' profile and highlight reel is uncannily similar to Holmes, right down to the ball security issues: 5-11, 186, good deep speed, solid hands, great acceleration/elusive in the open field, willing to go over the middle or block - although size may limit his effectiveness.  One of the major differences is that Holmes smokes pot was from a big school that ran a pro-ish style offense, while Sanders faced sub-par competition and played in June Jones' batshit crazy offense. 

Like Worilds, Sanders is a very good athlete that may take some adjustment to NFL schemes and competition, although not to the same extent that Worilds will.  Long term, there's nothing holding Sanders back from becoming a very similar player to Holmes, and I think he's built for the bubble screens and quick slants that won us Super Bowl 43. 

Round 4: Thaddeus Gibson, OLB, OSU

Gibson is on the other end of the 3-4 OLB spectrum from Worilds.  He actually played a lot of 3-4 OLB in college, and he's about as ready to come in and contribute as anyone you're going to find in the college ranks.  Steelers LB coach Keith Butler said he struggled a bit at first in the 3-4, but showed a lot of improvement as the season progressed.  He probably doesn't have quite as much upside as Worilds, but there's no reason to think that he couldn't be a solid backup in pretty short order and a starter in the long run.  He should also be able contribute to special teams. 

Round 5a: Chris Scott, OT/OG, Tennessee

Scott probably isn't quick enough to play LT, but he might be able to make it on the right side.  One of the guard positions is probably his best fit, and he has a chance to develop into a pretty good mauler there.  His footwork sounds like it's pretty bad, so he might be a guy that makes it on the practice squad for a year and has a better chance of contributing in his second season. 

Round 5b: Crezdon Butler, CB, Clemson

Going into the draft, we needed impact talent to complement Polamalu, but we didn't necessarily have a big need for DB depth.  Throwing McFadden in the mix, we have 5 reasonably decent CB's and 2-3 decent safeties (not including Troy).  Butler is anything but a "safe" pick, but of the DB's left on the board, Butler is one of the best athletes.  He's a big CB with long arms and great measurables (4.43 40, 39.5 vertical) but doesn't have great ball skills.  Bascially Ike Taylor, only not quite as fast and not quite as raw.  It will be up to Ray Horton and company to see if they can turn him into a good CB.  If he shows enough in camp, he could be the 10th DB on the roster, probably not suiting up on Sundays. 

Round 5c: Stevenson Sylvester, ILB, Utah

Sylvester appears to be another high upside athlete at a position where we need it.  His 40 time isn't particularly impressive, but when I watch him in action (hat tip to SuperSix) I see an explosive athlete, not unlike Timmons (who also didn't run a great 40 time).  Like Timmons, he has some work to do, particularly in coming up and thumping ball carriers instead of tackling like a safety, taking on blockers instead of running around them, and fully leveraging his athleticism into good pass defense.  Still, this is no Clint Kriewaldt special teams only roster filler. 

Round 6a: Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech

I have no idea why Dwyer fell this far.  He "failed" a drug test at the combine, but all signs point to him having a legitimate perscription for ADD that got overlooked in the paperwork somewhere and the whole thing being a non-issue.   When I watch highlights of him, I see a guy who can either run you over or run past you.  Scouting reports are glowing, saying he is deceptively shifty and incredibly powerful.  The knocks on him are he'll have to make significant adjustments to run in a more traditional offense and line up at RB instead of FB, and he doesn't have a lot of experience blocking or receiving (although there's no reason to think he can't be good at either).  Someone in another thread compared him to Barry Foster.  I thought he reminded me of Jonathan Stewart a couple years ago. 

I do think the concerns that he'll take some time to transition to a traditional offense are legitimate, but I see a guy who could end up being better than Mendenhall in just about every facet of the game.  Maybe NFL scouts all saw something we didn't, but maybe they all blew it and he's going to be a workhorse.  This was a great pick and it gives us toughness at RB we haven't had since... wait for it... Jerome Bettis. 

Round 6b: Antonio Brown, WR, Central Michigan

I'm not sure what they were going for with this pick.  Brown was productive at a small school, but he's not an elite athlete and he's going to struggle to get off the line against press coverage.  As a returner, I don't see him being an improvement over Logan.  Maybe he could hang on the practice squad for a few years and be able to contribute in a pinch. 

Round 7: Doug Worthington, DE, Ohio State

Worthington is the protypical size for one of our DE's, and he's a legitimate run stuffer.  Unlike a lot of DT's coming out of college, he actually played some DE in OSU's new 3-4ish defense, so he may have less of a learning curve than most.  I don't know if he's a good enough athlete to be a starter for us, but I wouldn't mind our run defense not going to pot if we have some injuries up front. 

UDFA's

Dorian Brooks, OG: Might have the best chance of making the roster among this UDFA class.  He's a pretty good athlete and pass protector, but is more of a finesse blocker in the running game. 

Cordarrow Thompson, DT: Fits the mold as a run stuffing NT, although he's not huge.  Seems like a better fit on the practice squad than Paxson would be. 

Kyle Jolly, OT: Ranked higher than a lot of UDFA's, but still sounds like roster filler to me.  Not particularly athletic or dominant in the running game.  Probably a RT only, if that. 

Justin Thornton, Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith, S: Mediocre athletes for the position, can't see any reason to think they'll make the team.  Thornton played some CB as well as S.  Cromartie-Smith is related to great athletes who aren't great at football. 

A.J. Trump, G/C: Don't have much info on him, not sure if he even started in 2009. 

Demetrius Taylor, FB?: Listed as a NT around the internet.  At 273 lbs, he's either a huge FB or a tiny NT.  Probably the next Jerome Bettis. 

Final Thoughts

1. We've got nothing if we don't have athletes.  All the players the Steelers selected, with the possible exceptions of Brown and Worthington, are a good enough athletes to start somewhere on this team at some point, and most of the early picks have enough athletic potential to be stars in this league.  A lot of how these players turn out will depend on their mental makeup, the position coaches, and how patient the team is with them. 

2. While the running game was a point of emphasis on offense for this draft, the Steelers continue to emphasize the passing game on defense.  No NT, and the only guy who seems equiped to plug up some holes is our 7th rounder Worthington.  Instead we drafted a CB, pass rushers, and an undersized ILB. 

I think this is the right direction to go.  If you don't believe the statistical evidence that shows the correlation between the passing game and winning, then just look at where our defense needs the most work.  These are our rankings in pass defense, starting in 2002: 20, 11, 3, 16, 20, 3, 1, 16.  Here are our rankings in run defense: 1, 12, 1, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3.  Where would you spend your money? 

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Awesome write up

On Jonathan Dwyer. I do agree with you 100%. I had a weird feeling that Tebow would be drafted in the first and I think that Jonathan Dwyer is going to produce big for us. His tape looks better than LeGarette Blount’s. I know Blount went undrafted, but barring his knockout heard round the world, he would have gone in the second at the latest. Blount runs with an awkward style. J Dubs runs with full steam ahead and believes no one can bring him down. He’s here to compliment Mendy, but I have a feeling he’ll be giving 34 a run for his money. ;)

Once again very nice, detailed, well thought post. It’s getting Rec’d.

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by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 27, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I love posts that leave me smarter after having read it

and for that I say Bravo to you!

And they say the only dumb questions are the ones that remain unasked, so I have to ask:

Where exactly on the spectrum of crazy does batshit fall? Is this more of less than the guy who thinks he’s a pitcher of orange juice and won’t let you touch him for fear of spilling? Or is it more like the “we have no idea what you just said but all of us laughed” kind of crazy?

And what is it about batshit that makes one crazy? I hear it’s a great fertilizer but other than helping purple sticky punch grow faster, I just don’t see it. Is this just the latest fad all the non squares are into, and I’m just behind the times? I bet that’s it. Well, we are not amused…

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by Vinz Clortho on Apr 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Here are some resources for you

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/batshit
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=batshit
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bat-shit+crazy

Not to get political, but there’s at least one picture linking Sarah Palin to the term.

Also, the only fad it’s part of (that I’m aware of) is using adjectives to overstate things for humorous effect.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

thats funny. I won’t state what that is because I don’t want to start anything.

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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice post

The most interesting players to me are detemetrius Taylor and emmanuel sanders. I read the same thing as you did about Taylor being a nt. Sounds like were getting back to good old steeler football with a behomouth fullback. I really hope this guy works out for us. As for sanders, I hear nothing but good things about this guy from his attitude to his playmaking ability. If anything he should push Sweed and add competition in camp. One more thing, correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t we add lsu ol Ciron Black.

by ironmike55 on Apr 27, 2010 1:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ciron Black’s exact whereabouts are mysterious. He was originally committed to the Steelers but, a little like Blout with the 49ers, appears to have decided to shop himself around a bit more.

He should come back though. It looks like this line is making the transition away from the ZBS and to a mauling, power blocking scheme. Black would fit really well at RG or maybe RT in that.

by BluegrassSteeler on Apr 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he saw all the competition

and decided to look a situation where there are fewer people to beat out for the job.

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 27, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he did what was best for the personell he had.

Here, I’m pretty damn sure we will go back to Power Blocking, and get away from the zone.

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by Steel Spike on Apr 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

What IS His Position

What is the “true” position for Demetrius Taylor? What college did he attend and what position did he play in college? What were his stats? If this guy IS a credible FB, we are going to really have an AWESOME running attack this year. Training camp is going to be VERY interesting.

by Allen F on Apr 28, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't have just one...

In high school, Taylor played both linebacker and tailback. He was ranked between the #16 and #20 ILB in Virginia his senior year, depending on who you asked. As tailback, he had 927 yards and 20 TDs in 10 games.

Taylor was recruited by Virginia Tech as a “Mike” linebacker and played there initially; in his Junior year, he switched first to defensive end and then defensive tackle.

The man looks like a beast as far as strength – he ranked 1st or 2nd on VT’s football team in the power clean (360 pounds), push jerk (400), bench press (430) and back squat (600).

by M.A.S. on Apr 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Taylor for a roster spot because...

He has a linebacker mentality and running back skill (minus the speed). FB would be a great position for him in the offense but I can see him contribute more this season as a ST guy.

by Piratefan13 on May 4, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m excited about Dwyer as well, although I don’t think he’s in Mendenhall’s class as an RB. Mendy can run, catch, is a devestating blocker. Plus he runs with excellent vision (which is why he’s so successful on the goal line, despite the fact he’s not exactly a power runner). Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL back, but he’s a real project at the next level. Maybe I’m higher on Mendy than most around, I dunno.

I really don’t understand why people give Mendenhall a hard time about running out of bounds, avoiding contact when possible, etc. Franco Harris made a living running out of bounds to avoid contact throughout his career (something Jim Brown hated when it looked like Franco might elipse his rushing record). It lengthened Franco’s career – and made him fresher and more viable in the post-season – and it’ll do the same for Mendy.

People love the way AP runs over defenders, but when he’s all used up from the numerous hits he’s taken and drops below a 4.0 per carry average in three years, he’ll wish he had been more selective about when to run over somebody and when to take himself out of the play.

by BluegrassSteeler on Apr 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with ya on Mendenhall

Also, great write-up you Baaad Maafala

by tkired on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mendy

My problems with him involve running upright, fumbling the ball, and the awkward overuse of his spin move. For a first round pick, he doesn’t break a ton of tackles (which is a bigger deal than fighting for the extra yard, IMO), doesn’t regularly make guys miss, and doesn’t have great breakaway speed. Mendy can catch and block, but I see Dwyer as a better pure runner who can learn that secondary stuff on the job.

Anyway, I think they’re going to be the top 2 RB’s on the team for at least a year or two, so we don’t have to choose.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just in the middle of typing this exact sentiment. Ah well

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwyer

I tend to agree with Bluegrass in the sense that Mendy is in a different class than dwyer.

Looking over the highlight film you liked to, I saw a runner that also runs upright, with good vision but with an incredible O-line. I mean, those were some huge lanes that he had at his disposal. He seemed to have a second gear once he made up his mind on where to attack the hole and that will translate well into a pro-style offense; however, it looks as if blocking is not his stringest suit.
I love this pick for the 6th round, but find it hard to beleive that he is a shoe-in for being the #2 back. Mendenhall stopped fumbling the ball midway through last year and he had some slick uses of his spin move, although I agree that he does have to turn its use down a little. I am of the idea that this year will be a very big one for him bearing injury.

Tomlin promised competition and looks like we are in for a treat through camp and in all of the positions.

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by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Apr 27, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This link might actually be a little better. I think I posted the wrong one in the article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3rmS4fh-z4

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like we will see some two back sets like we were promised last year.

The threat of another “runner” in the back field should hold the DL just long enough.’
Dwyer at FB and Mendy at TB or the “Pro set”.
All that if Dwyer can block even sort of well.

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by SNW on Apr 27, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post

I have to take issue with your secondary assessment though.

throwing McFadden in the mix, we have 5 reasonably decent CBs

As I see it, we have 2 reasonably decent CBs(Taylor, McFadden), 2 unproven hopefuls(Burnett, Lewis), and 1 who should have been released(Gay).

Keeping my fingers crossed with Worilds after the disappointments we suffered with Davis and Alonzo Jackson

Thanks for the effort and another good post BadMaafala

by qwikdoc on Apr 27, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

realeasing Gay would have been retarded

he’s not meant to be a starter so don’t hate on him when he was thrown into a position he’s not fit for. He excelled as a nickle back, so thats leave him at that.

by shleeve on Apr 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely. I’m psyched we have McFadden again, and hopefully Gay has something to prove and can be productive in the nickle.

by EmmettOtter on Apr 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what games you were watching last year

but William Gay didn’t excel at anything. The opposing team picked on him whenever he was in the game. He also stunk on ST. Like him or not, he’s on the team this year so I’m hoping for vast improvement. At least he’s familiar with Lebeau’s defense.

by qwikdoc on Apr 27, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair he was the #2 CB last year

and no, he didn’t excel. He excels at his natural position as nickleback, not as a 1-on-1 defender.

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by Steel Spike on Apr 27, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The object of playing cornerback is being a 1 on 1 defender

otherwise you’re a safety. Like I said, since he’s on the team, I hope he improves his man to man skills. Otherwise, he might be serviceable as a backup S

by qwikdoc on Apr 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. Not all defenses are designed for the CB to play 1 on 1.

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What the media did not tell you.

by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even when playing a zone

the cb has to go 1 on 1 when the receiver enters his area. I just remember Gay getting burned play after play.

by qwikdoc on Apr 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gay excelled in cover-2 in 2008, but when we changed schemes because Troy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyrone Carter, his limits were exposed. He has the short area quickness to jump routes in short zones, but can’t keep up downfield.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the nickleback.

Playing in the nickle means that there are 5 DB’s. Your normal 1 & 2 corners, 2 safeties, and an extra corner.

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by Steel Spike on Apr 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was very good as rookie (read: when Polamalu was behind him). Ryan Clark and BMac were pretty good that year too, come to think of it.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So plug in Polamalu and all problems are solved? I agree with this, but I hate that we are so dependent on him.

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What the media did not tell you.

by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve talked about this before, but Gay is a cover-2 CB. He just doesn’t have the top speed to play either man-to-man or cover-3 (where he covers a deep zone). When Troy went down, we didn’t have 2 safeties with the range to play cover-2 or CB’s that could play cover-3, so we were SOL. I really don’t think BMac is going to solve that problem because he wasn’t able to distinguish himself before 2008 in the same scheme that made Gay look great. He has better speed and tackling ability than Gay, which will be welcomed, but I wouldn’t say the problem is now gone.

We’re going to need to draft a premier DB at some point, but there weren’t any available to us in this draft.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed Gay

was great during the superbowl run. He played about even with B-Mac most of that year. He took a big step backwards last year for all sorts of reasons. Doubt he will ever be a start, but it’s way to early to ship him off.

by SteelerBuddha on Apr 27, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A premier DB

isn’t going to be available unless we trade up in the 1st round or we have a really bad year. I can live without a premier DB.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can get a premier DB without having a pick in the top 10. Troy and Ed Reed were drafted 16th and 24th, respectively. Asomugha was drafted 31st, Revis, 14th. We could pick in that range if the right player was there, I just don’t think they were this year. Jackson or McCourty or Wilson would have been able to help our secondary, but I’m not going to fault the FO for getting a player they love at a position that is more devoid of talent than DB.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

great points

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 28, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure this has been covered by now (I am way behind), but just in case...

I’m not talking about last year, I’m talking about the Super Bowl year. He was an excellent nickle corner (the best in the league according to some website i can’t remember…profootballtalk perhaps?). Gay is a terrible starting corner but a great 3rd CB.

This year he is gonna go back to being the nickle corner (probably spelling B-mac occasionally too) and I am confident he’ll be fine.

by shleeve on May 3, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

it gives us toughness at RB we haven’t had since… wait for it… Jerome Bettis.
Probably the next Jerome Bettis.

Damn you! Haha. So now we have 4 Next JBs on the team. One has to pan out, right?

Great article as usual.

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

The more interesting question -
So now we have 4 Next JBs on the team. One has to pan out, right?

is which one is the next Redman? Let’s not lose sight of the essentials, Johnny! : )

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by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 29, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple of thoughts

First and foremost, I was so pissed that they pass on S Myron Rolle in the 6th round for a WR who won’t make the team. Do we have good depth at S? I wasn’t too impressed with Mundy and have no idea what Will Allen could do. Why not get a guy who may be able to push Mundy? I think the guy the short end of the stick because he’s smart and he didn’t have enough INTs at FSU. People need to understand that he played the Rover/SS position at FSU and thats a position that won’t get a lot of INTs. And I don’t know why you can’t be smart and be a good football player at the same time. I thought he was great value for our final 6th round pick moreso than the WR they picked up, but those are just my thoughts.

In Jason ‘All’ Worilds highlights I saw him attack the line standing up several times. The most difficult part in transforming from a DE to a OLB is learning how to play in space standing up and pass coverage. Jason already is comfortable standing up and rushing and has the speed to hold up in pass coverage. He could pack on 10 lbs of muscle and still run a 4.5, 4.6 40 time. For a 260-270 lbs man that is incredible! I’ve seen him weigh between 254 and 262 so its not hard to imagine him weight 270 and running a 4.58 40 time. He will take over for harrison when harrison is done, whenever that may be.

I love the Pouncey pick now. It took several months to wear on me. I always thought 18 was too high for a C/G but who else was you going to pick? Everyone that you could argue that was better was gone by then and while I originally thought passing on Bulaga was a mistake, I know understand why. Yes, he has short arms but we are already set at starting T, we need depth and you don’t draft depth in the first round, you draft a starter. Pouncey will be our starting C and help Ben play well into his 30s, hopefully no more 50 sack seasons.

I love the Dwyer pick. I don’t think he will be better than Mendenhall, we haven’t even seen Mendenhall fully develop yet. But I think he’ll be a great complimentary back that will lock up our RBs for the next few years. I wish Moore had elite speed our RB would be complete. I still want to replace moore. He has done a admirable job for the steelers but 1) he’s approaching 30 2) he doesn’t have elite speed 3) his carries are going to be reduced by Dwyer’s emergence. Hopefully logan turns into a Sproles type back and can learn to block and take over moore’s spot. Justin Vincent or Issac Redman will go back to the Practice Squad and the other will not be retained, most likely Vincent.

I see sanders as a poor man’s Holmes, hopefully he will pan out and become as good as holmes was for our offense. I think we carry 6 WR’s this year, honestly. We want to be prepared if and when Ward is gone. I wish we would have waited till next year to get one of the WRs coming out then but there are no guarantees that we will get one of them. Sweed had a good showing in the pre-season last year, lets hope he has a great pre-season and a good regular season this year. There is progression. We need to have that tall receiver producing for us. Carrying 6 Wr’s will completely hinge on if Sweed, Sanders, and Battle are too good to let go. I think if they have to go with 5 Wrs, Sanders is most likely to go to PS. If Sweed shows promise.

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by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

thoughts

I agree we’ll probably carry 6 WR’s. There’s just too much potential and too much uncertainty. I doubt Sanders will go to the PS just based on his draft position. Odd man out would be Sweed if he flames out or Battle. If they’re happy with Mendy, Dwyer, and Moore at the top of the RB depth chart, it would be pretty interesting to see how Logan could fit in the offense. Man I wish we had someone other than Arians as our coordinator.

It would have been nice to draft a S to give Mundy a run for his spot, which almost seems to be given to him at this point. I don’t know what will become of Rolle, but a 6th rounder is a pretty small investment for a guy with his upside. I understand he has a questionable makeup and might not even want to play in the NFL, but it’s not like it he’s a bad character or something.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whisenhunt

would rule with this Roster, especiall if Sanders turns out to be as good as holmes. I agree if Sweed doesn’t catch everything he’s probably cut. I didn’t finish that thought.

As far as Logan goes I think he has to fit, who else has his type of speed among our RBs? We need to at least have a treat there. They’ll make it work. I think everyone from the 4th round down, except Dwyer, will be PS so there should be some room for him. If they add a game or two they really need to expand the roster to 60.

I look at it like this, in the 6th round who will have the most chance of looking like a steal when you look back years from now and rolle is that guy. He already had experience on a big stage, was the #1 all around prospect coming out of high school, went to a school and wasn’t utilize for INTs, once he get the game speed back I think he’ll be a great S, its not like he sucked at FSU, his only knock is that he didn’t have the INTs like people wanted. That doesn’t mean he can’t get them in a different scheme.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now just about second commings. What do We need now to get Miron Rolle in Our roster?

Trade BB to t titans? Right now its not funny.

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by YeOldeMexFan on Apr 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

We don’t need to do anything to get Myron on the roster, the draft is over….I think you missed what I was saying.

All I was trying to say that for a 6th round pick Rolle would have been a better value than another WR that won’t make the team. I almost threw my phone when I saw that pick.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to have Rolle on my team. Maybe would have even used a 4th on him. He’s got a ton of things I like-he’s a great athlete, reads the plays well and is rarely out of position. Add in the fact that he’s a Rhodes Scholar and he’d be the player I would want.

Think about it: who else would be able to take instruction, criticism and praise the way he could? He still wants to play-he wouldn’t have entered the draft if that wasn’t the case.

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by Justin Azevedo on Apr 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we really need the extra press he brings?

The cameras will be following him around as much as they follow Ben and Tebow around. I think the Rooneys have had all the media attention they can stand for one year.

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by StoneColdSteel on Apr 27, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its good press

nothing wrong with that. Matter of fact, we need some good positive press right now.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And when they're covering him

Do you think the media won’t take a chance to use it in a way to inquire about Ben? We already have guys that bring good press.

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by StoneColdSteel on Apr 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

no.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's really a story anymore.

Unless he does something on or off the field to merit new coverage, he is what he is and it’s not news.

I thought for sure Tomlin would have gone for a cerebral guy like that though.

by Steely McSmash on Apr 28, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post btw

very well written

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen, brother. Amen.

Man watching that happen definitely shook my faith in Colbert.
Though I have come to realize that watching the draft is an exercise in pain, as much as anything. One is forced to watch the majority of their favorite players get drafted by other teams, while your own team makes puzzling decision after puzzling decision. One screams “Trade up!” or “Trade down!” without having any idea of what’s going on within the draft rooms. It’s just the nature of it. I must learn to accept the agony. Eventually, I may make it a part of myself and begin paying a leather-clad dominatrix to whip me with a cat-of-nine-tails.

by Weirtonite on Apr 27, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting Imagery.

Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.

by sctx109 on Apr 28, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

yet fitting

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 28, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tann -

I feel your pain on Myron Rolle – not only did they pass a chance to draft a decent S, they passed up a chance to make me really happy. What were they thinking?

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 29, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinal Sin

you never do anything to not make momma happy.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 30, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny Fact about Demetrius Taylor

i googled everyone the Steelers drafted or are bringing in as a FA and i came to find out that Taylor went to VA Tech as a 220lb RB out of High School.

hard to believe he put on 53 pounds and is considered sloppy and we brought him in.

can’t wait for training camp to see these men in action.

by WARDANE33 on Apr 27, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I read nothing that said he was "sloppy"

Everything I read indicated that he outworked everyone in the gym but put on so much muscle that he got slow for LB. From what I’ve read, he is a solid mass of a man. He does have RB skills with a LB mentality minus the speed and agility which equals a physical FB. This is my dark horse, the guy I’m rooting for to make the team.

by Piratefan13 on Apr 28, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't Wait

  I can’t wait till pre-season to see who stacks up and who doesn’t.. I hoped for Center Pouncey all along. Even if he only plays guard some this year.It should help our O.L .preform better with each game.

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by steeler junky on Apr 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Great reading as usual BadMaafala.

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by YeOldeMexFan on Apr 27, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Other options included Golden Tate, Sean Lee, Charles Brown, and this guy

Are you saying that Cody was an option for you guys?!? I thought he was the worst pick in the draft because he is too fat and will be a bust in 2 years? Hmmmmmm

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Obviously every player available at the time of your selection is an option.

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well durrr. But an option you guys wouldnogwantred? Not based on the comments I saw on him the last few days. Guess cuz he is a fatbird now.

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by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, stupid iPhone. Should say would of wanted, not wouldnogwantred.

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by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I was wondering what that ment

I thought you made up anew MaLoRiSm

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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 27, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked it.

I’m going to start saying ‘wouldnogwantred’ frequently, as sort of a mantra.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 29, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have just led off with you are barking up the wrong tree. BadMaafala was probably not the guy saying what you have been whining about over here since you drafted Cody.

I am curious though, what happens if those people who say he is a bust are right and you end up wrong? There is no telling who is wrong or right now, so I don’t understand why you are so worked up about Lady Lumps there.

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because Cody has already become my favorite Raven. I am really excites to see him vs Bouncey ball for the next 10 years. I am sure these guys don’t like each other. And if you go back and watch that game, Florida double and tripled teamed Cody the entire game, Bouncey cannot handle this man one on one.

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by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree on Pouncey vs. Cody. I watched the game tape and Cody never really had the upper hand on Pouncey any time they went head to head. However, those days are irrelevant now that they are both playing in different schemes. Although, one of the things people have been talking about most with Pouncey is his ability to handle bigger NTs. I’d say Pouncey right now has the upper hand because he is A) in shape, B) has the ability to be a starter right off the bat, and C) does not come with huge concerns of attitude/hustle.

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But of course, this is from one homer to another so….

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes sir.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is round

he is more amorphous. The fat just goes wherever it wants.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 28, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

so he is like a liquid

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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

so he is subject to tides

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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 29, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

precisely

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 29, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 28, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I thought the pictures I linked to made it clear that I think he’s a fat tub of lard. That comment was mostly aimed at the sentiment around here that we always need to draft “that huge nose tackle”. Seriously, people were saying we should draft this guy at 18.

So you like him better than Ngata and Reed already? He’s a run-only guy. I’m not going to fault you guys for taking him, but he’s just not the type of player I’d expect us to draft.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casey is a run-only defender

I don’t think the FO ever expected him to become an elite pass rusher.

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by StoneColdSteel on Apr 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Tomlin didn’t draft him, either. Cowher was determined to stop the run, even if it meant mediocre pass defense. Tomlin has yet to spend higher than 6th rounder on a run-only LB, DE, or NT.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he gets called for holding. Then he’s a pass rusher for at least one play.

by Phantaskippy on Apr 28, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

loved that snack attack

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by acrollet on Apr 28, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

i remember that, awesome

by shleeve on May 3, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your favorite Raven???

You obviously have a right to your opinion MaLor, but I don’t get how this guy is in Ngata’s league. You have one of the best, why do you drool over this manboobed rookie? Then again, everybody likes big tits, I guess…

Let's move on!

by Steelfrog on Apr 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is such thing as too big

and well he fits that bill

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then again, everybody likes big tits, I guess…

Well played.

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by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder...

if he wears a “bro-zier”. Thank you, I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.

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by OhioYinzer on Apr 27, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like overly big tit

I like big tits, just not overly big

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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 27, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Concerning Worilds

He’s a Virginia Tech guy which means he is well schooled in special teams. This is where he’ll probably make his immediate impact. The second priority would be insurance against the possibility that we can’t re-sign Woodley next year.

In general I like the picks, especially considering our peculiar circumstances. We have about 20 guys on roster with two SB rings, another 25 with one. To expect anyone to step right in and contribute significantly might be unrealistic. Yet Pouncey and Dwyer may be able to do just that. The O line will improve, how dramatically and quickly remains to be seen, plus we have a new position coach and plenty of reason for optimism.

I don’t share the concerns about the defensive backfield. Tomlin broke into the league and earned his first SB ring as a defensive backfield coach. LeBeau was a great DB himself. Maybe they suffer from overconfidence but I think they are not going to leave that part of the equation hanging. Bringing back McFadden was inspired. And players such as Lewis, Burnett and Mundy are still learning the system. Old man Townsend can still be re-signed if necessary.

Don’t drink the Kool-aid that says that this is ‘just’ a 9 – 7 team. The issue isn’t necessarily talent, but possibly a locker room that was more troubled than anyone could imagine. This is going to be a hard team for all but a few to make.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Apr 27, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Resigning Woodley

James Wexwell has a free article up at his website explaining the difficult position the team is in with resigning Woodley. Basically becuase their is no CBA a players contract cannot be increased by more than 30%. Woodleys base salary is only around 460,000 last year making a large pay increase difficult. Anyways hopefully the steelers can find a way resign a stud player

by steelers56 on Apr 27, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I read that article. I think Whetstone is being dramatic. There are loopholes in all that stuff and IIRC, Harrison’s deal had to meet the same conditions, but it didn’t keep him from going from a tiny salary to a huge one. And I’m not sure I like the idea of giving anyone, even as sure a bet as Woodley, a $50M signing bonus.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on the 50M signing bonus that is ridculous and there is no way a player should ever recieve that much money up front and great write up

by steelers56 on Apr 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Franchise Tag him and explain the situation.

Or tender him with a high value. Then match whatever he is offered. If he takes what the other team offers, than at least we get picks. Or can we not tender him because he is an RFA?

All is dependent on what happens with the CBA though.

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What the media did not tell you.

by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Via “Ian Whetstone” The short version of what this means now is that an extension for a player who has remained under contract from 2009 through 2010 can provide for an increase per year of only 30% of his 2009 non-signing bonus salary. Woodley made just $460,000 in 2009 as part of his rookie deal, the minimum salary for a third-year player. This currently limits his salary under a potential new deal to just $598,000 in 2010, $736,000 in 2011, $874,000 in 2012, and an additional $138,000 greater for every year thereafter.

This limits a contract extension right now with no CBA

by steelers56 on Apr 27, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know that, but that has nothing to do with a FT or a tender. Franchise Tag works outside of that rule. A tender allows the original team to match what ever contract is offered to the player. I would assume that also works outside that rule, because we were not the first to offer the deal. Like I said though, I am not sure if tenders can be used on RFAs or if they are specific to URFA.

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bottom line is I would love a deal for Woodley to get done sooner more than later. He is a durable and consistent force from the outside that sure does look good in the black and gold. It would be a shame to see him in a different uniform

by steelers56 on Apr 27, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Bad

Forgot to mention that you did a great job on the post.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Apr 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Sylvester

I watched that video and was totally unimpressed. All I saw was an average athlete running past less talented athletes to make a bunch of high hits and arm tackles that won’t cut it in the NFL. The talent level is so much higher in the NFL than it is in college (no matter the conf.) that it can make great college players look average. Hopefully he’ll surprise me, but I’m just not sold on this pick…

by mjcutri on Apr 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think everybody already knows that NFL talent is better than college talent

What were you expecting from a 5th round pick? Ray Lewis?

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by StoneColdSteel on Apr 27, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya

The guy is a grab and drag tackler and not much of a hit-and-shed guy either. But at the end of the highlight his special teams play was impressive. Looks like a PS guy we’ll activate if somebody gets hurt and we need kick coverage help. Really a ST pick, IMO…

Let's move on!

by Steelfrog on Apr 27, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree about the average athlete comment – the guy looks like a missile in some of the highlights. However, I said in the write up that he has some work to do in tackling and taking on blockers. While he’s anything but a sure thing, it’s easier to fill out a little and get better at thumping people than it is to become a better athlete.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

A good athlete for sure, just not very technical or physical at this point. Potential a-plenty, just not a great defensive highlight IMO.

Let's move on!

by Steelfrog on Apr 28, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda think anyone

4th round or later is assumed to be a project. If they are better than that then you got a steal.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 28, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, in my experience, there are 2 types of late round picks: filler and fliers. Filler consists of guys that aren’t great athletes, but are reasonably developed as football players and could probably come in and be a backup. Doug Worthington might be an example. Fliers are project guys with one thing you love and some stuff you hate. You draft them hoping they’ll fix the stuff you hate and potentially become a starter.

Our roster is stacked from top to bottom, and we really don’t have a big need for the filler types at the moment. We seemed to pick high upside guys in just about every round, which I think is the right move. Sylvester, Scott, Butler, Worilds, and Sanders are all projects to some extent. The late rounds guys could develop into starters, and the early round guys could develop into Pro Bowlers. Some aren’t going to, though.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 28, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

disagree on why you think the steelers choose to sign CB's and pass rushers over Dline.

we choose those positions because we need depth there, not because they’re more important.
NT: we have Hampton signed to a 3 year contract that there is no way the steelers can get out of in the next 2 years. plus we have a solid backup with hoke for 1 more year. hampton’s our starter for 2 years and the steelers want premeium talent to replace him. BUT they aren’t going to use a 1st/2nd rd talent on that spot to have the player sit for 2 years before using him. expect to see a pick used there in the next 2 years.

DE: we have a starters in A. smith & keisel. keisel also just signed a contract extension in which he will be paid like a starter the for at least the next 2 years. we just spent a 1st rd draft pick on Hood & he looks really good. hood can replace smith next year will be a solid backup in the meantime. steelers didnt need to spend a high pick on this position this year. expect them to spend another high draft pick on DE in the next 2 years if sunny harris doesnt become a solid player. A. smith could also be re-signed to work to provide solid depth at the position.

ILB: i was one of the ppl clamoring for a ILB because in a year or 2, we’re going to need a young body. but as of right now, we have 4 solid/adequate ILB’s on the roster. dale lolley also wrote on his blog that there was a debate in the steelers war room on who to take with the 2nd rd pick: Worilds or Sean Lee. Worilds won because of the lack of depth behind harrison. expect to see a high pick used on ILB in next year’s draft.

OLB: we had no one backing up Harrison and Woodley. Woodley will be a UFA next year and we’ll be able to at least tag him for one year. harrison’s also getting up there in age and although he’s penciled in the starter for at least 3 more years, he could easily get injured. we needed a solid backup.

CB: before we got mcfadden, we had no CB that was #2 caliber. and we drafted all these CB’s in hopes 2 or so pan out.

i really like the rest of your write-up

by t1mmy10 on Apr 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think they went hard after need in this draft

Maybe picking Pouncey over Bulaga was to fill a need, or maybe they just liked Pouncey better. They needed one OLB to add depth, but they didn’t need two. They needed a young NT, but they didn’t draft one. They didn’t draft a safety, despite that being their biggest need on defense. They arguably needed a WR, they drafted two. Colbert said they followed their board pretty closely, and looking at their draft and their needs, I believe him.

So if we accept the premise that they focused mostly on drafting the best players available, it shows how they prioritize positions. They picked a center over a dominant NT. They picked a potential pass rusher (Worilds) over a huge NT (Cody) and two ready-made run stuffing LB’s (Lee, Spikes). They passed on run stuffing SS’s, LB’s, and NT’s throughout the draft for a poor man’s Timmons, another pass rusher, and a CB project.

If you look at the drafts we’ve had under Tomlin, the pattern on defense is evident. In 2007, we drafted a pass defending LB, a pass rusher, a DE that ended up being too soft, and a CB. In 2008, we drafted a pass rusher and a practice squad FS and LB. In 2009, we drafted a run/pass DE, 2 CB’s, and a late round DE.

Before the 6th round, all their picks have either been good against the run and pass (Woodley, Hood), or been primarily pass defenders (Timmons, the DB’s). If it was a priority for them, there would have been some run defenders. I expect them to continue a mix of 2-way defenders early in the draft and a couple late round run-only DL’s and LB’s.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 28, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree they didn't go HARD after need, but they wouldn't have drafted players if they didnt need them

i’m curious why you think they needed NT & S depth. it would always be nice to have a young rockstar quality player as a backup, but NT & S need was down on the list. steelers are financially committed to our current starters for at least the next 2 years and some even more.

just because Cody was big doesnt mean he’ll be great. according to Lolley’s blog the steelers actually debated about drafting Lee when the 2nd rd pick came up. the reasoning that they needed depth at OLB won out. they probably had similar grades and need won out.

i also have to disagree with your take on Tomlin’s drafts (although i think 4 drafts isn’t enough to get a big enough sample size for his preferences). i’ll ignore OL because that’s important for running & passing. everyone of his 1st rd picks (with this year’s being important both running and passing) are all run oriented: DE, RB, ILB (not sure why you consider timmons solely a pass defender. he may currently struggle in run defense but i’m attributing that to him currently playing the buck role when i think he’s intended for the mack).

i think the reason why we havent used later rd picks on the rest of the spots is due to the studs we’ve had at “run oriented” positions for a long time (A. smith, hampton, farrior) along with the ability for steelers to find starters in undrafted players or late round picks (kiesel & parker). steelers often struggle finding those value players at the “passing” positions.

i do agree that a good balance of both is needed.

by t1mmy10 on Apr 28, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Article on Steelers rookie UTEP Safety Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/NFL-Insider-Insider-info/draft-diamond-damon-cromartie-smith-utep.html

The article says this dude LOVES to hit and ran a 4.46 at 6’2, 206 pounds. If he can play both safety positions and is a better special teams player than S Ryan Mundy, he could make this squad.

Dale Lolley said he believes 8 of the 10 Steelers draft picks have a good chance of making this year’s squad (He thinks CB Butler & DE Worthington will be on the practice squad). I can’t wait to see Demetrius Taylor, our 275-lb FB, that played DT in college but was a running back in high school. Apparently, he ran a 4.78 40 during his pro day and benched 225 pounds 35 times, or about 13 more times than Mount Cody did.

by datruth4life on Apr 27, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, but...

Cromartie-Smith has a 32 inch vert’ and poor lateral agility. You never know, I guess…

Let's move on!

by Steelfrog on Apr 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like RC, but bigger. I’d rather get a safety that is good at coverage like Troy. I think Mundy has a bigger chance to be that guy. We will see though.

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by John Stephens on Apr 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe move W. Gay to safety full-time?

He sure as hell ain’t a NFL-caliber starting corner.

by datruth4life on Apr 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

He sure as hell ain’t a NFL-caliber tackler, either.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keenan Lewis?

The guy could move to safety and we could have Ike, B-Mac, Gay, Burnett and either Madison or Butler at corner. Just a thought…

Let's move on!

by Steelfrog on Apr 27, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Anthony Madison? He's not really a "corner" anymore.

Great on ST, but I don’t think I want to see him on the field as a defender.

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by Steel Spike on Apr 27, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that

But we want him on the roster as a specialist and as a fifth (or sixth) corner, don’t we? Unless we’re really sure somebody does as good a job on STs as he’s been doing, we should keep him. I don’t care to ever see pathetic kick coverage like we had last year ever again.

Let's move on!

by Steelfrog on Apr 27, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

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by Steel Spike on Apr 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

As always, great write-up Maafala

I have read some reports (wexell’s, charly casserly, mayock, and through the web) where everyone agreed that Worlids looked the most athletically ready to make the transition from DE to OLB. The second most-ready? Gibson from OSU.
In a league that now employs 14 teams using the 3-4 defense, I tend to beleive that the coaches and FO know what to look for in these guys.
True, there are the Zo Jackson and Bruce Davis of the world, but these two kids look like they at least will bolster ST play, something those other two busts never did.
Rec’d

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by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Apr 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Job 45!

I am excited about Pouncey becoming an integral part of the O line for the next decade. Also excited to see everyone in camp and do some analysis then.

The thing I liked most about Dwyer was several runs where I admit, he did have an open lane. But inevitably he came upon a DB and “stoned” him. I saw about 3 or 4 different highlights of him running over a college DB. The Steelers will have to run the ball in the early parts of 2010. Dwyer (or Redmon) could play an important role.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Apr 27, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Dwyers straight ahead game but he can't juke and accelerate like Mendy

I am a big Dwyer fan, being from Atlanta, and Dwyer can turn an off-tackle play into 30 yards. BUt he can’t juke and accelerate like Mendy. If Dwyer can be taught to block, the 2 could be an interesting tandem in our few running formations.

Sylvester doesn’t stand up blockers, but his agility to shed the block and move to the runner could be very useful. That is what Troy does- although 10 times as well.

by buddydial on Apr 27, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the insight.

One of the better posters on the site, so your comments carry more weight IMO…..

by dawgs144 on Apr 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

45 is the BTSC Big Snack

Bad reports in at about 350 LBS.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Apr 28, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably the next Jerome Bettis

That was the funniest line in the whole posting.

Another great write up, always a pleasure to read.

by worldtrip on Apr 27, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t have high hopes that he’ll be able to contribute right away. I do think he has some potential, but it’s difficult to completely rework an OL’s footwork, which he probably needs. I question whether another team would give him a roster spot at this point, so he’d be a pretty good PS candidate if you ask me.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 28, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rookie observations ..... not bad at all, but also

….. I really believe that in addition to Dwyer probably being destined to give Mendenhall absolute fits for the starting job sooner than most people think, ( I mean really, how many of you out there start screaming at the TV when he starts that spin move crap and destroys his own momentum before even being tackled? When I was a kid I used to watch Chuck Forman from the Vikings do that sort of stuff and cringe when Donnie Shell or Jack Ham would light him up!), oh, Dwyer has good hands for pass catching and can return kicks.* See some of his highschool stuff on YOUTUBE, to continue, and speaking of YOUTUBE, check out Stevenson there; about 8 – 10 minutes of why HE MIGHT BE THE SLEEPER in this draft as either a SS or a backer on third down. In fact from day 1 of camp I’d move him to safety or create a hybrid position for him in a trick defense and watch him bring havoc to passing offenses, something like 2 down lineman, 3 linebackers, and 6 db’s, ( him disguised as one of them), play coverage games, and freakin blitz like no tomorrow. Stevenson is an odd kind of prospect that Dick L. could do wild things with.

by Tik Talk on Apr 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

This
Stevenson is an odd kind of prospect that Dick L. could do wild things with.

I seem to remember people saying the same thing about a certain #43…

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by Steel Spike on Apr 28, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good write up!

1. Pouncey- Should just go ahead & give him Dermontti Dawsons’ number since we all know Websters’ is OFF LIMITS!!!

2. Worilds- Shades of Gildon, not saying he is, but better than Clark Haggins ever was for us eventually. And Clark was a good player. Given #97; Nuff said!

3. Sanders- Uber productive in college. Product of the system? Heard that about Crabtree last year, & Bryant this year. Shades of Santonio? Quite possible. Remember, Tone didn’t blow us away ’till his 2nd year. Showed flashes though. I like Sanders.

4. Gibson- Steal of our draft. Baby Joey Porter, just stronger & w/out the lip! Copy & paste this to throw it in my face later if you believe I’m one of those,“Legalise weed!”, people & have been smokin’!!! THAT’S how certain I am about this kid.

5. Butler- TOTALLY threw me off on that one. But so did Ike years ago. Kid is a great athlete, just behind alot of other DB’s. We’ll see. “In Kevin I Trust!”(And I’m too lazy to re-type it, Butler should be the 6th one I typed about after Scott. My bad!)

6. Scott- Lot of people don’t like this pick, not one of ‘em! I remember Montario Hardesty runnin’ over the SEC this year, mostly behind Scott on the Left side, check the film. He will be a RT or G though. Guard 1st, then,“Buy, buy!”, Colon next year.(Can’t keep him & Woodley, & I think #56 ain’t going NOWHERE!!!) Scott bumps Urbik, or Essex off roster.

7. Stevenson- Played BIG against big teams & in big games. Will it translate? Usually does, & “In Kevin I Trust!” I’m a game tape guy. Combine numbers are cool to a point, but I love watchin’ if the kid competes, and Stevenson does just that!

8. Dwyer- Did I say Gibson was the steal of this draft?(LOL!) I’m sticking to that! BUT, alot of folks are going to regret passing on this kid. Talk of his system from college is a bunch of BS to me! If he can hit the hole that good from that close, what will he be able to do with that kind of decisiveness from a 5-7 yard deep running start able to read his hole? Just sayin’….Dwyer is a Thoroughbred!!!!!

9. Brown- Made Dan LeFevour famous! Great production, & we will hear about the system,but the kid can play. Sweed is toast, and something tells me we won’t miss Tone as much as folks outside our Nation believe!

10. Worthington- VERY interesting pick. Ohio St. was a top 5 defense last year, & if I remember correctly, Cameron Heyward was the 2nd D-lineman to get in the backfield alot behind Worthington. He is more athletic than he tested at combine.(Bench reps worried me till I found out it was a shoulder injury) And he did have a DUI at Columbus. Bears watching. Overall, I like the kid. Our D-Line isn’t getting any younger!

I grade our draft a B+.

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by Chise67 on Apr 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Outstanding, thanks

I actually copied this and printed it to read again in the future a few more times…
Anyhow, what I am wondering is if the Steelers would have known that Gibson would fall to them in Round Four, would they have taken Golden Tate in Round two and then Bruce Campbell or Brandon Ghee in Round Three? I know that’s total hindsight and really a moot point now, but it would upgrade Sanders to Tate and then add a Campbell or Ghee instead of stockpiling outside linebackers. Somehow that would sit better with me.

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by maryrose on Apr 28, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

if you want to second guess with hindsight...

think about what if we knew we’d get Gibson and took Sean Lee instead of Worilds! I’m a Nittany Lion, but I don’t get too worked up over the Steelers drafting their players because 1) I just want the Steelers to win 2) The Steelers already had two Hall of Famers coached by Joepa, so why get too cranky?

But I wish I didn’t know that the Steelers had Lee on their board and chose Worilds over him due to perceived need. That sucks. I tell you one thing, Worilds is starting off on my S list and he better quickly earn some respect or I’ll be his worst detractor on this board! Sean Lee, if he lived up to his potential, could have been the perfect long term replacement for Potsie. But now he is dead to me.

Oh well, that’s how it goes in the NFL. When does training camp start?

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on May 3, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh ...

The annual unbridled post-draft optimism is in full fervor … :-)

All this reminds of last year’s Frank The Tank and Redzone Redman talk … or the year before with Mendy and Sweed - neither of whom contributed their first year.

Seriously thoughtful write up Bad! Thanks.

I am guessing that Pouncey, Worilds, Sanders, probably Gibson, and maybe Dwyer make the team. Anyone else is going to have to truly bring it in camp to make the squad.

by whogastim on Apr 28, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, I’ll admit I’m optimistic, but this isn’t Summers and Redman crazy. I lauded the Mendenhall and Sweed picks, and I stand by that. Those were good picks, even if they haven’t panned out as well as we hoped.

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by BadMaafala on Apr 28, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

 The Sweed pick can only be argued in hindsight. What a major disappointment. At this point, It’ll be a surprise if makes the roster this fall.

I think Mendy is going to have a great year if he stays healthy.

by qwikdoc on Apr 28, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Demetrius Taylor profile

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/taylor_demetrius.html

I think this is a good class, but I’m curious to see our free agent FB. He’s currently 6’0, 275, but played RB in high school and benched 415 pounds as a sophomore. He played all 3 special teams units during his 4 years at Virginia Tech, so that at least counts for something. Just curious. Wake me up when it’s late August.

by datruth4life on Apr 29, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Taylor Comment

I also am curious to see what kind of FB Taylor is. He would definitely (with his size) be a good lead blocker for our RB’s. Also it would be interesting to see him as a lead blocker for Frank Summers (who is supposed to be the ‘second coming’ of the Bus). Can’t wait for camp to start.

by Allen F on Apr 29, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 special teams units?

I am interested in seeing what he does on special teams.

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Special Teams

He (Demetrius Taylor) would definitely be a “wedge buster”. Someone to flush out the Josh Cribbs and Percy Harvins of the world and expose them to our new found group of “headhunters” and fast pursuit midgets. Virginia Tech was infamous for it’s great ST’s. We have 3 of them in camp.

by Allen F on May 2, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

"Virginia Tech was infamous for it’s great ST’s. We have 3 of them in camp."

Thank you for distilling that information. It appears that Tomlin developed a strategy for correcting the horrible problem we faced last year.

For Tebow’s sake I wasn’t even at the bar yet when the BS TD from the Chiefs game happened! So here is a possible solution.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on May 3, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

very nice write up...ive been waiting to read something like this for a while....

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by PsycoSalameh on May 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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