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Bryant McFadden: A Closer Look at His Lone Season in Arizona


I think it is clear that Bryant McFadden was universally welcomed back to Pittsburgh after William Gay had quite a difficult time filling in for him last year.  Thousands of fans were ecstatic that the Steelers could get him back for only a fifth round pick.  Although, you have to wonder why, a player who played so well for Pittsburgh in a Superbowl campaign, was given away, after only a year, for so cheap.

Personally, I hate seeing players depart from Pittsburgh after having a good year.  I do not hold it against them that they wanted to "get that money man", but I still hate seeing them leave.  Generally, I will follow their progression with their new club for a few years after leaving.  Over the last few years, it was difficult to see Alan Faneca tear it up with multiple Pro Bowls for the Jets, Joey Porter get double digit sacks in Miami, and Plaxico Burress help the Giants topple the undefeated Patriots in the SB.  Okay, maybe that last one was not difficult to watch at all, but not having those guys playing for us was.  Therefore, when McFadden was yanked away by Pittsburgh West I kept a good eye on him out there.  And to put it gently, McFadden had a really awful year.  So, after that type of year, why would the Steelers have any interest in Bryant?  And why did he have such a horrible year? 

Let's dive into it after the jump.

Star-divide

First and foremost, lets think about the style of defense that B-Mac plays.  He is not a cover corner that can just shut a player out like Darrelle Revis.  So he will not be the guy who stays with a WR throughout his route or be the guy to stay inside the receiver's shoes down field.  No, he is a physical corner that likes to hit.  His strengths are re-routing receivers and tackling in the open field.  This is quite evident when you see that the career completion percentage against him is 60.9%.  Last year the league average was around 61% and I would say a good comp% is 55 and under (about 40 DBs under that mark last year).  Conversely, look at his YAC/Rec, which is absurdly low at 4.5, and consider that he has only missed 6 tackles in his professional career.  To put a reference on how silly both of those numbers are, contemplate that Revis's YAC/Rec was over 10 last year and consider that no other CB, that was targeted over 100 times last year, had less than 5 missed tackles to B-Mac's 3.  To conclude, McFadden is a sure-tackling, physical DB who is dependent on a good pass rush to force the QB to throw sooner.

Both the Pittsburgh Steelers and Arizona Cardinals run a 3-4 defense.  It is important to note that the Whiz brought the 3-4 to the desert and has attempted to model his defense after Pittsburgh's defense.  However, they do not run exactly the same system, primarily because Arizona does not have Dick LeBeau's brilliant mind.  Therefore, I initially presumed that B-Mac struggled so much on his new team because of a bad pass rush.  In 2008, the Steelers had a God-like 51 sacks and 91 QB hits, numbers that could make any CB's job easier by keeping the QB off his game.  However, when I looked up the 2009 Cardinal's numbers I found that they had 43 sacks and 77 QB hits, good for the 6th best QB pressuring team in the league.  I believe we can safely conclude that it was not a lack of pass rush that hampered his game.

All statistics can be misleading if you do not consider how those numbers were accumulated.  In my hypothesis, I believe that B-Mac's deficient year can be accredited to two differences between the Steelers defense and the Cardinals defense.  First of all, lets take a look at who was racking up all of those sacks for both teams.  In 2008, these Steelers had 2 or more sacks: James Harrison (16), LaMarr Woodley (11.5), Aaron Smith (5.5), Lawrence Timmons (5), James Farrior (3.5), and Travis Kirschke (2).  In 2009, Cardinals with 2 or more sacks included Calais Campbell (7), Darnell Dockett (7), Bertrand Berry (6), Clark Haggans (5), Chike Okeafor (4.5), Kenny Iwebema (2), Will Davis (2), Alan Branch (2), and Adrian Wilson (2).  If we group all of the sacks together we can see that the Steelers had  38.5 sacks from LBs (specifically 27.5 from their OLBs) and 11.5 from their defensive line. Comparatively, the Cards had 12.5 sacks from LBs and 26 sacks from their DL.

That shows quite a difference in where each team is expecting their sacks to come from.  The Steelers depend on their fast OLBs to get around the edge and hit the Quarterback as quickly as possible.  On the other side, the Cardinals want their defensive line to push its way through the OL and collapse the pocket around the quarterback.  How does this affect the play of a CB?  Well, there is no way I can prove this, but I believe an OLB can get to the QB a lot faster than a DL.  The faster the defender gets to the QB the less time the WR has to break free from the CB and get down field.  Ergo, McFadden thrived when the Steelers OLBs got to the QB quickly and struggled with the more methodical pocket-collapsing Arizona defense.

My second belief is that it appears that the Cardinals do not run a zone blitz or that they do not run a zone blitz as creative as the Steelers.  I saw an interview with Peyton Manning once, I believe it was right before that epic playoff game in 2005, where he stated that he hated playing the Steelers defense.  He explained that when he played them he always had to take an extra second or so to read the blitz and make a throw.  He explained that LeBeau hid his blitzes so well that it made his job harder.  Before a play starts, a good QB can pick out parts of the field that may be open based on what the average defense is presenting.  However, since a zone-blitz disguises who will blitz and who will drop back a QB really has no idea where the soft spots in the zone will be.  The QB has to take that extra split second to decide post snap where those spots are, which gives a blitz more time to get there.  Clearly, any CB, specifically a weaker cover-corner like McFadden, would benefit greatly from the LeBeau zone blitz.

We are happy to have McFadden back in the black and gold, and I am sure he is just as happy to be back.  Here is to hoping he has a better year back in our system...or at least a better year than William Gay had.

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Nice assessment

statman.

I am itching to see McFadden hit the field in B&G again. I also home rumors are true that he is going to be challenged heavily for the starting position. That is only good news for the secondary as a unit.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Depth is never a problem

I think that if Lewis is the real deal, or as good as we have heard, him and McFadden will split time. He is still young though, so they should be cautious as to when to toss him in the mix.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely

Then, with Gay back at his natural nickel position and the whirling dervish wreaking havoc sideline to sideline, our questionable secondary from a season ago will be substantially fortified. Ike and Clark can go back to doing what they are more gifted at doing. Then there’s the front seven .. .. .. ohhhh, the front seven.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great front 7

But age will be a problem.

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the young bucks will be able to spell them, and if they stay healthy our LB’s will be sick and our DL ridiculous. I think Ziggster is ready to challenge for a starting spot, and Sonny should be able to give some relief duty. If Gibson or worilds can play at all this season our depth is good. Safety we are old, and that is a problem.

by Phantaskippy on May 11, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

ultimately . . . even though it is not easy to see . . .

 . . . the play of the defense starts and ends with the play of the d-line . . . it is no coincidence that the defense stunk last year largely because smith and keisel were out for significant periods (yeah, i know troy was out too!) . . . but if the d-line can’t dominate the opposing o-line, harrison, woodley, et al don’t get to the qb in due time . . . and thus, with the rules handily favoring the receivers, our db’s will have a very difficult time stopping receptions (the steeler’s physical db’s can only be physical AFTER the ball arrives to the receiver!) . . . anyway, the point i’m trying to make is . . . arians drives me freaking nuts!!!

by VIN K on May 11, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrison never gets to the quarterback

because he is usually be choked around the neck by one person while another is grabbing his shoulder pads, both from behind!!! Nah, no holding there.

'All you bitches, take my shots.'
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by Cdsumm on May 12, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm gonna respectfully disagree with you there

although we certainly won’t know until they hit the field. Our D-line has sufficient youth that will either back up or challenge for starting positions (Hood, Harris) and the LB corp depth got a substantial shot in the arm for the upcoming season with at least one potential stud (Worilds).

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Young NT?

We don’t have one anywhere on the radar. Also, we really are not sure yet what Worilds and Gibson offer us at OLB and we have to be on edge about Woodley being resigned. Then at ILB we have one young guy who still has not been a stud, just good. Sly is a reach and we have no youth there. So in 2 years what does the front 7 look like?

Ziggy ??? Harris (still haven’t seen him get substantial time)

Woodley Timmons ??? Worilds (hopefully)

Two big holes and two maybes.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry about NT

I’ll be suiting up at NT this year.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem solved.

You don’t mess with wookies.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'm a knee bender

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

tribute to ARN :-)

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how I missed this last week.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on May 17, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you keep drinking that beer every night

I will be more confident with this

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I was more talking about this coming year

I don’t worry too much about future years because the Steelers always manage to plug the holes in due time.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it concerns me more

Cause seeing that Troy is not actually immortal scared me.

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, Ziggy played well last year. He’ll get better, and if he does at all he’s solid at least.

NT depth, yeah that’s a problem, Harris might help there though, I hope they give him a shot.

Worilds or Gibson, one will work out, that’s my guarantee for this draft.

Timmons can play, he’s still a maybe, but he was abused last year while playing hurt, he was slow. He’ll be fine. Foote and Fox are not 30 yet, they are good for 3 years at least. That gives us time.

Safety there are worries, but we’ll never replace Troy anyway. Let’s hope there’s an answer somewhere before it’s needed.

by Phantaskippy on May 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry the lay out is confusing

that is supposed to be a break down of the line:

DE NT DE
Ziggy ??? Harris

The spacing just screws up

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ziggy is great

I didn’t mean for it to look like “Ziggy???” as if I was questioning his skill

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ziggy is great

he is a 1st rounder for a reason. Usually our 1st rounders split time in their second year at least, so I expect to see ziggy a lot, especially on passing downs, ziggy and a.smith in there. He should spell the grandfathers on the team and allow us to be fresh all year. I think Harris will get some time too.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, that makes sense then.

I really hope Sonny works out for us, 6’5" 321 is a huge DE. Give that man a Hampton sized NT and you’d have Ngata and Cody sized beef up front to go with the Zigman.

by Phantaskippy on May 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mention Cody in here

I don’t want the bandwidth of my comments to be over loaded

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope both Worilds and Harris develop, HArris eating double teams and Worilds flying around free is just too much.

by Phantaskippy on May 11, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

foote a sub-30 guy?? . . .

cool!! . . . i did not realize that!!

by VIN K on May 11, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

S. McLendon could be suprise at NT in camp; C. Thompson to go on practice squad a year

Johnny_S, I think 2nd-year man NT S. McLendon could push for a roster spot this year. I remember succinctly DL coach John Mitchell saying during last year’s training camp that Ziggy, Sunny Harris & S. McLendon were the best group of rookie DL that he had worked with as a coach—EVER! Mitchell doesn’t just throw that type of praise out there for the heck of it. Kirschke leaving opens up a roster spot and I think Nick Eason is no lock to make this team this year.

I really expect all three 2nd year DL to make a roster push this year because: 1. they now know the defense, 2. they’ve had a year in the system and 3. they’ve all had a year in the team’s offseason problem.

People who keep saying that McLendon is too small need to stop looking at how the Steelers listed him on their roster and look at what he was at his pro day 13 months ago: 6’1’’, 306 pounds, 5.15 40-yard dash, 8 foot, 6-inch broad jump, 31 reps at 225 pounds, 1.75 sec split at 10 yards. That’s pretty decent athleticism for a NT. And since then, he has had a year to work on his strength, a year of learning how to be a NT in the Steelers 3-4 D, and a year of watching Big Snack and Chris Hoke show him how it’s done.

I’m expecting big things this training camp from those 3 DL as well as 2nd-year players Ramon Foster, Isaac Redman & K. Lewis. All in all, I think K. Colbert has had two pretty good drafts back to back in 09 & 10.

by datruth4life on May 11, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will see about McLendon

I read something about what you wrote earlier about the kid, but I am still very skeptical about a NT under 325. He may have some great physical skills, but that small size will make it difficult to regularly command double teams. I hope you are right though, because otherwise we have a huge hole at NT with no youth on the horizon.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up as usual

Never thought about it that way. makes a lot of sense, since a strong pass rush helps the secondary. I agree that age may be a problem, but Big Snack seems to be in the best shape he has been in since…well…a long time. Smith is healthy again, he is a year older, but since he missed most of last year, that should help some this year. Hopefully Ziggy and Harris can step up and provide some quality snaps. Oh yeah…this is about B-mac..it is great to have him back, i did not think we shoudl have let him go, but oh well. Hope that the news that Lewis is pushing for his spot he plays with a chip and plays even better than our SB season. Looking forward to the start of the season!!!

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I always wonder

Whether being on IR all season hurts or helps a player more. While I agree that resting your body for a full year would be great, I wonder if that off time makes your body softer. You aren’t used to getting hit and it has to take some time to get back up to speed.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

True...but

i also wonder if the body is so conditioned that it may not matter. Just like muscle memory..you can do the same dance routine for a year, then not do it for a year or two, but when you hear the music you remember the routine…it takes a little time to get up to speed, but not as long as you would think.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speed is funny

My neighbor runs track for nike, had an injury didn’t run for a year, he said it took him a year to get back to the speed he had before his injury. I’m not saying that football players are the same as pro sprinters, just you can switch spped on and off even if you are conditioned so. Muscles atrophy no matter who you are.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

When i mentioned speed

i was not referring to actual speed..i meant the speed of the game or back to where he was pre-injury

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by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea

once you got that down, you pick it up quickly, a la tom brady, it didnt seem like the game was going to fast for him after the injury, he just had to be confident on that leg. Same with Carson Palmer.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that depends on the type of injury

Knee injuries can take a long time, but other injuries may not take super long to recover from.

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would for multiple reasons

A rookie generally hasn’t gotten up to NFL speed yet, so his progress will be delayed a year. Like a redshirt without the practice snaps. For a vet, NFL speed has already become the ‘norm’, so a vet would just be getting back to the ‘norm’ instead of trying to achieve it for the first time.

The other reason will be the academic learning of the system. Sure, a good rookie on IR will undoubtedly do his homework to learn all of the plays and calls, but getting it down truly requires the snaps in practice, if not in a game. This time essentially makes their second year their rookie year. They just have a classroom advantage over the other rookies.

For these reasons, I looked at last year as Mendy’s ‘rookie’ year. Looking forward to his progress this year.

Nice post on Mac. I think he’ll be right back at home this year.

by Born-on-XIV on May 11, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re-'Tough'ening Up

If the muscles are rehabed to the point of being strong enough, the toughness comes back very quickly. The repetition of contact in the mini camps and training camp will get someone whose missed some time prepared for the rigors of the season. He will be really sore initially, but will probably adapt in a week or two. It is probably no different than the months off between seasons.

Being a Steelers fan is more than just liking a team, it's about accepting your challenge and doing it right.

by StVincentKid on May 11, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

We just need McFadden

to have a better year than gay did. And if he doesn’t I think we’ll see a lot of lewis.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Lewis should see the field

a lot this year either way. And that can only be a good thing if he does. McFadden already knows the system. If Lewis has in fact caught/surpassed McFadden then the Steelers have 3 solid CBs running around.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And those concerns about what we gonna do about Ike are done.

Also Burnett and Gay are bad for your 4th and 5th CBs either. Its going to be funny when those Ravens/Bungles fans don’t understand why their passing game isn’t blowing holes in the Steelers this year.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

are = aren't?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

lol

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by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the case

Just based on McFadden’s tackling ability. Gay had 9 missed tackles last year.

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

at work and glanced over it, i’ll go back

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by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you linked the same video

it still was a demolition smh

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by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like you can't talk about Gay

Without referencing it, haha

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor dude

That was the game I got to go to last year and at the time thought that was going to end up a huge turning point in the game.

How much do you suppose that hit affected his confidence the rest of his season?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I feel like I was already cursing his name at that point…

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will live with him

for the rest of his life, when his kids are in high school, they won’t be able to live it down.

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by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe its called

getting postered.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually its potsi-erized

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by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to start a word for Troy's plays

maybe Polamauled…

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by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Smitten is a word I like to think of. It makes me think of an angry god. Which polamalu is.

by Mechem on May 12, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's it

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

by chewiesteeler on May 11, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine reading

in one of Johnny’s write up…" As Boldin was coming across the middle, he got Polamauled and fumbled the ball"

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by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love it

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by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll read more like Troy got Boldin’d over.

by BmoreBlitz on May 12, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boldin AKA glass jaw?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on May 13, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boldin AKA Hit Stick

by BmoreBlitz on May 13, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not what the Jets said

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on May 13, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zvllmyij8c

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on May 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, he got his jaw effed up. We’re talking about the Pole taker too. It’s not like he isn’t injury prone.

/insert pick of knee squashed here.

by BmoreBlitz on May 14, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

scary Boldin gonna bweak Twoy's knee?

scarwy.

Maybe Clark can McGahee Boldin’s sorry behind. /insert video of McGahee getting decleated in the AFC Championship

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on May 14, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

“scary Boldin gonna bweak Twoy’s knee?
scarwy.”

are you talking like a baby?…. hahaha

/insert unoriginal, copycatting pittsburg fan comeback below.

//thank you and walks out

by BmoreBlitz on May 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

this forum is not a command prompt.

by klompus on May 16, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

shhhhh

he doesn’t even know Pittsburgh ends with “h”.

He does however understand babytalk. I knew I would get through to him.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on May 17, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

PixburghArn…. thanks for the spelling lesson nit picker. You and Dr Del must get along.

by BmoreBlitz on May 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on May 19, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

klompus…. my mammal is larger

by BmoreBlitz on May 18, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overall he still had a solid stop percentage. Solo he’s burnt toast, but he holds his responsibilities and assists well. As a nickel that’s perfectly fine, out by himself he’ll get beat.

by Phantaskippy on May 11, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was surprised his YAC/Rec was under 4 last year. That is absurdly good. However, another problem is that Gay’s comp% is really bad at 67.4%. He is an even worse cover corner than McFadden.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He really couldn’t handle speed or size, giving a big cushion and not being able to knock people out of routes really doesn’t work outside.

by Phantaskippy on May 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't understand that last year either...

Coach Dad had to know Gay isn’t a very good cover corner. What I didn’t get, was why he had Gay give a 5-10 yard cushion, especially when he lined up past the 1st down marker. I understand not going “press” without Troy out there to cover your ass on long passing downs, but bump ’em at the line when they only need 4 yards. Especially if the pass rush is firing on all cylinders.

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by Steel Spike on May 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gay get’s beat in bump cover, and doesn’t have speed to make it up. He’d give up TD’s in tight coverage.

Gay’s strengths are intelligence and reacting properly to the play. As a nickel, he’s the bomb, when he’s on his own he gets exposed for his weaknesses, he’s not fast or strong.

by Phantaskippy on May 11, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

8-10 yard cushions

on 3rd and 5 will be a thing of the past with B-mac…Hopefully

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by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

great post...

B-Mac will be back to his old self when the season starts…Whiz just didn’t use him to his peak and that’s why they gave him back to us for a low discounted price…hey I really don’t care, “Getting burnt all day” Willie Gay is terrible, I still don’t know why this guy is on the team…maybe to play coverage in nickle packages who knows…lol!!!

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by Webslasher81 on May 11, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

interesting thinking why the cardinals didn't want mcfadden any more

i think it’s also important to note why we got him for so cheap (5th minus a 6th rd pick) along with why the cards didnt want him anymore.

last offseason, we tried to re-sign mcfadden. the cardinals offered him a contract with enough guaranteed money & we couldn’t match it with our cap situation. the cards knew this and in a way it was a “poison pill” (not the stereotypical one referred to for transition tags but similar). but in offering him enough money to steal him away, they overpaid for mcfadden. he was set to make 5 mil this year & that’s a lot of money to pay a CB. that would be enough to have made him the #17 highest paid CB in 2009 (by cap hit value). mcfadden isn’t a mid level quality #1 CB.

the reason why the cardinals just didnt cut him is because it saved them money in the process(which i can definitely see the worthwhile bargaining tactic of “that’s worth practically nothing and if you dont give us more, we’ll just cut him and you run the risk of him not signing with you or you getting in a bidding war with another team for him”). $1.25 mil of his $5 mil salary was guaranteed in 2010. so unless they find a suitor to trade for mcfadden and pick up his contract their only other option is to cut him and basically accept the fact that they paid him $6.25 mil for one season (2009). that wouldnt make the cards GM look too good.

by t1mmy10 on May 11, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

$5 Mil?

So the Steelers are gonna pay $5M for McFadden? That’s a lotta coin for a borderline #2 corner who will never be your #1.

by steelerwheeler on May 12, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes and no. cuz the steelers restructured his contract

but i agree with your take that’s it’s far too much to be paying a player like bryant.

with the steelers, he’s getting a $2mil base salary this year & 500K worth of bonuses sometime during his 3 year contract (it’s probably a signing bonus he got this year). the steelers got permission to talk to bryant and begin contract negotiations before trading for him so they knew they wouldn’t be stuck with his contract either.

an interesting note, that permitted negotiations with high level contract players before a trade is a common thing done, ex. boldin & marshall. but the steelers didnt allow teams to do that with holmes, i’m guessing to punish him, and thats part of the reason why we got so lil for him

by t1mmy10 on May 12, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

THX for good info.

I can do with 2.5 for an upgrade and potential starter.

by steelerwheeler on May 13, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

McFadden is not the same player

Watch all the Cardinals games and the biggest problem McFadden now faces is a lack of confidence. The pass-rush was up and down and McFadden was ask to play in space as a cover corner and not a cover2 flat corner. He simply lacks the ability to plant, flip his hips and accelerate with WR’s. The money I’m sure factored into the equation to leave McFadden on an Island in AZ and it was a mistake. McFadden got paid like a lot of former Steelers get paid by Graves/Whisenhunt after they are past their prime. Again, a mistake.

It will be interesting to see how he holds up in Pittsburgh given the WR talent now in the AFC North.

by Ravens One on May 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Well clearly no one in the world can guard Anquan Boldin now that he is with the greatest WR group in the history of the NFL. We don’t expect that of McFadden.

Anyway, you basically just restated what I said. He is the same player, just was not playing in a defense that favored his strengths. Either way you look at it though McFadden is a better option than William Gay.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He will also be playing with

a better pass rush than he had last year which will also help. If Bert, I mean Flacco, can’t get rid of the ball on time, doesn’t matter who the receiver is.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on May 11, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't you heard

The ravens recieving core is better than Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Larry Fitzgerald, and Lynn Swann put together. All of their receivers will average 10,000 yads a game this season, every catch will be a TD and they will still get 5,000 rushing yards from ray rice and their defense is going to shut everyone out. They’re unstoppable.

If you can’t hint the sarcasm, get off the internet.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

B-Mac is a far better player than Willie Gay…

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by Webslasher81 on May 11, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heeeeyyy Johnny

I didn’t mean bust your balls. Just trying to have a football discussion. The McFadden you will be seeing is a couple steps below the McFadden of 08 was my point. Is that better than Gay? If it is I’ll feel pretty damn good come the fall! And for the record McFadden can’t guard Boldin.

by Ravens One on May 14, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ike Taylor will guard Boldin

Come on man…

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by John Stephens on May 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if Bolden decides to catch the ball

43 will disembowel him

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by kick him in the head on May 16, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see that we are known as Steelers West over here too...

One thing with the Cardinals pass rush is that it took blitzes to get a lot of those sacks. Bill Davis did a good job creating some blitz schemes but it was tough to get pressure without blitzing partially because of how old some of the linebackers are getting. I think that we were in the top 5 for most blitzes called. Over at RotB most of us agreed that McFadden fit the system in Pittsburg than he did here, and we do think that Greg Toler can fit in with DRC and give us two good Coverage Cornerbacks.

Another thing is that McFadden was usually covering the #2 receiver when he was here, and I believe that he was the #3 Cornerback with the Steelers.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 11, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

The Pittsburgh West thing is just a running joke

Whisenhunt, McFadden, Porter, Faneca, Haggans, etc. Its not as bad as being called the Ratbirds or Bungles.

Anyway, B-Mac was our primary #2, but missed around 6 games in 2008 because of injury (that is why his snap count was low).

Thanks for reading and stopping by, BTW.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 11, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

We call them Pittsburgh/Steelers West at RotB too.

I thought I saw somewhere that B-Mac was the #3 Corner over here. Sorry I got it wrong.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 11, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Russ Grimm...

"Hey baby, want some Adam West penis?"
- Adam West

by Steel Spike on May 11, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Dan Kreider

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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 11, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I forgot about him, since we have a guy who can play FB, RB, NT, and SS…Isaac Redman!!!!!

"Hey baby, want some Adam West penis?"
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by Steel Spike on May 11, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he is a Cards fan

I posted a fanshot on their blog asking them to stop by

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 14, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he wasn't

he was our #2 CB

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on May 11, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually he kinda was #3 for most of his time in pittsburgh

remember when townsend kept beating him out year after year.

I hate Hines Ward but I sure wish he was on my team.- ex Ravens head coach Brian Billick

by MAN_OF_STEEL_86 on May 11, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bend don't break philosophy

The Steelers defense usually employs a bend-don’t-break philosophy with the thought that if we keep making you work for the small chunks you’ll make a mistake before we do. (as a side note this is my strategy in ping pong – rarely do I go for the kill shots I just try to keep the volley alive and not make mistakes (as a side note to the side note-I’m not sure why ya’ll might be interested in my ping pong ability, but it’s in there now))

McFadden fits this very well as he gives up few yards after the catch. Add to that the improved pass rush and if they want to run the 3 yard patterns that’s all they’ll get. Both Ike and McFadden excel at stopping receivers after the catch. Gay was too worried about the deep ball (because of his smaller frame and poor foot speed) AND he is not as sure of a tackler so teams could attack him with the short throws so the rush couldn’t get there and still get good gains.

Nice post Johnny.

by Chicago Steeler on May 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 12, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals pass rush

The Cardinals OLBs didn’t produce. I don’t think the sack numbers are so much a reflection of scheme as they are simply a lack of production from an older linebacker crew. The Cardinals have been investing in youth at the position but last year only Will Davis spent much time on the field. Cody Brown, last year’s 2nd round pick, missed the season with a wrist injury. This year they’ve brought in Joey Porter who while older still had a higher individual sack total in limited play with the Dolphins than any member of the Cardinals defense. He’ll be the mentor, along with Haggans, for all the young guys they now have which includes rookie O’brien Schofield and former CFL sack leader Stevie Baggs as well as Davis and Brown. Berry and Okeafor are gone. Hopefully we’ll see better sack numbers in 2010.

The sacks that the Cardinals defense did produce were in large part due to blitzing. They were not able to generate much pressure with a 3 or 4 man pass rush. Adding a dominant edge rusher to the defense is something all Cardinal fans are hoping comes out of this off season. Drafting Dan Williams at NT should also impact in a big way, freeing up Campbell and Dockett for even more production.

The Cardinals are still building the defense for the 3-4 scheme. Last season was the first that they predominantly ran it. Before that it was very much a hybrid. As the personnel comes more into place expect to see more similarity to what is going on in Pittsburgh. Aside from a shaky situation with the depth at CB, I think most of the folks at ROTB are pretty happy with how the defense is shaping up. Especially after how rough the off season started for us. Damage control was handled well.

by hadrarius on May 11, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Baggs

I forgot you guys took Baggs. A lot of people moved south during the off-season. Should be lots of rookies in the CFL this year (CLF for Steelfrog).

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on May 12, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think hadrarius hits the sack thing right

One issue I always had with B Mac was even when in position he never seemed to turn his head and look for the ball. I think he could have broken up at least another dozen passes if he just new when the pass was coming in.

by Birdman from Mesa on May 11, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone remember his/her reaction to McFadden leaving in the first place?

I know I remember my own reaction (and the reactions of several on this site) in thinking there’d be very little drop-off between him and Gay.

There was a decent amount of evidence to back that perspective up. Gay hadn’t just performed spot duty in the 2008; he started 4 games as our #2 behind Ike when McFadden and then Deshea were injured, and even after McFadden returned from injury he saw significant action in the late weeks/playoffs part of the season, even rotating him in with a healthy McFadden and Townsend covering #2 receivers every few series. This Post-Gazette article speaks to how highly the coaching staff though of his performance late in the season.

I don’t remember the specifics, but I remember many of the more stat-oriented people on this website talking about Gay leading the league in some key metric that Football Outsiders used to calculate the effectiveness of cornerbacks. I, like many others, bought into the hype and expected big things from him this season, and I was sorely disappointed.

So it’s worth asking: why did William Gay look so bad this year, and why did the secondary as a whole look so much worse a year after leading the league in pass defense? Was it simply, as many have suggested, a byproduct of Gay being on the field every down, of quarterbacks getting a year of tape on him and exploiting his physical limitations? Was it the lack of good, experienced, capable nickel corners backing him up? Was it nothing more than Troy’s absence?

I’m no expert, but many of these explanations ring hollow.

My concern is that Gay’s bad performance in 2009, and really a bad performance by the whole secondary, might have something to do with the front seven, or worse yet, LeBeau’s schemes not evolving quite as far as they needed to. I’m not a football expert, and I don’t know that I’m the best person to evaluate this hypothesis, but I feel like the comparison between McFadden’s 2008 year with the Steelers and his 2009 year with the Cardinals might not tell the whole story when evaluating his performance this coming year?

After all, LeBeau’s hallmark has always been making mediocre corners look great with his schemes and a talent-laden front seven. Yet Gay, a guy that looked great in four starts and significant additional playing time in 2008, looked awful this season, and his comrades (Ike and Clark , included) didn’t fare much better after having excellent performances just a season ago. I’m not sure I buy into the rationale that the rest of the Steeler’s defense and the scheme they run can compensate for McFadden’s limited skills in coverage and help him have a stellar year. It just strikes me that Gay, Burnett and Townsend would have performed better in that role in 2009 were that the case.

I’m not coming to a conclusion here, because I haven’t done a lot of analysis on the front seven’s performance on passing downs in 2009, but I wouldn’t be surprised if McFadden’s performance doesn’t signal a return to dominance for himself or the Steelers defense.

Somebody more knowledgeable should convince me I’m wrong, because being optimistic about 2010 is way more fun.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on May 11, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

What about this?

ANY corner playing with Troy P. is better than without him. It would be interesting to compare Gay’s stats where he started for BMac with Troy vs. without him.

So maybe look Gays stats 2 years ago when he subbed for BMac to Bmac’s stats when he was the #2 corner in that same year. Although the teams are clearly different, that would be the best measure because as it is, you’re trying to compare BMac 2 years ago, playing with Troy and Smith, to Gay, playing without them last year.

Also, maybe look at Gay’s stats from last year before Troy and A.Smith were injured, compared to the rest of the year.

I think essentially, every good player makes every other good player better. It gives Lebeau more flexibility and therefore makes offenses more confused and less aggressive.

by DMSF on May 11, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Troy P. & BMac means ...

Two more playmakers in that secondary starting than there were two years ago. BMac was a perfect fit for this D as a corner and I’m glad to have him back. He’s physical and he competes, which is more than what I can say for some other corners on this roster. Interesting to see how all of this shakes out.

If I had to choose right now between Joe Burnett or Anthony Madision, I might keep A. Madison. He might be the best special teams player on this roster. Burnett hasn’t shown me that he is going to be special at anything. If the rookie Butler shows that he has the potential to be a starting corner down the road, then I think U have to keep him. I don’t think Burnett is a lock for this final 53 at all.

by datruth4life on May 11, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Cardinals played 4-3

Cards played a 4-3 the past two years almost exclusively but are switching to a 3-4 this year, which makes it even weirder that they would trade B-Mac. He didnt fit what they were doing but he fits well what they are trying to do now. i’ll be interested to see their transition as it may really handcuff Dockett who is a dominant 3 technique guy who could get stuck holding o-lineman for a lb to get the tackle. Maybe the sun is getting to them out there. Truth is, every so often, a bunch of teams try to switsh to the 3-4, and they just cant do it. They abandon ship after a short time because it is a difficult scheme to run aat a high level, and only a handful of coaches really have it down. It really looks bad with the wrong personnel and the nfl doesnt tolerate bad for long. someone gets fired and its back to the 4-3. We have the master in Lebeau and weve remained committed to the scheme since 93. Bmac is one of ours and will be fine, back in the fold.

by Micculus on May 11, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually the defense for the last couple of years was a 4-3/3-4 hybrid.

They have been trying to go to more of a traditional 3-4 since they fired Pendergast last year.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 11, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Contract status

Really? You wrote all that about the difference between b-fad’s steelers/cardinals flip flopping? He got the money and simply went lazy last year. that about sums it up. There is nothing much really to point out. the cardinals saw the writing on the wall and decided to get rid of him. Hope I was able to clear that up for everyone!

by vegasrugger on May 11, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Cardinals fan here....

a majority of the plays I saw a 3-4, without a pure NT, making it a difficult scheme… We could switch to a 4-3 easily since we had a Dansby that could play every down. I was so excited when McFadden came over but entirely disappointed with his play. I think he was put in a bad position, at ROTB, the overall consensus was that he would be our nickel guy, and we would have our tandem together from 2008, but that didn’t come to fruition when we watched the tandem get broken up prior to the start of the season. I am not an expert by any means, but I do think that McFadden’s troubles began right around the same time as our D’s with the run (Carolina). The first few weeks it was great to watch, nobody could run or pass against us for the most part. I’m not sure what changed, but I would guess the D-Line’s ability maintain intensity throughout the game when so much was dependent on them. When you can get 4 yards per carry, you have to respect the run so much, that the DBs can’t provide as much help. I don’t know… I just was curious on the consensus of McFadden’s return, and thought I would throw in a few points… I hope he finds whatever it is he was missing, we still have a gaping hole at CB I hope we fill soon….

by Gildo on May 11, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Makes sense

This makes perfect sense, and further justifies why we need fast mobile FS to track down receivers when the front 8 can’t put on the necessary pressure.

by Points on May 11, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Faneca?

Multiple Pro Bowls with the Jets? Come on man, he was only with the Jets last year and they let him go a few months ago.

by steala on May 11, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

He went to two Pro-Bowls as a Jet.

by Phantaskippy on May 12, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what Steelers team or Faneca you are watching

But Alan Faneca was in New York for 2 years and went to 2 pro bowls.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 12, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but

Pro bowls often don’t equal excellent play. tried to find a good clip, but besides lunging out of his stance right onto his face twice in the SB, “Great” Alan Faneca pulled on the FWP TD…he rolled right and targeted the OLB who sidestepped him as Faneca did a face plant. Fortunately, FWP was already gone. Meanwhile, over at RT, Max Starks got out and totally turned the DE then left him for dead for Miller to clean up. FWP made a good cut inside the safety and found the middle of the box clear as Starks had released and layed a solid block on ILB 6 yards downfield, turning him and causing a virtual road block, freeing up Willie for TD. Starks did not have a good year at RT that season, but he was terrific on that play while Faneca sucked in the SB. I don’t have the luxury or the stomach to watch much of the Jets so I can’t know for sure, but my guess is Faneca didn’t deserve Pro Bowls, why would they cut him if he’s one of the best?

I know it was a terrific play by Faneca ’cuz that senile old coot Madden was telling the world what a great block it was, even though Faneca whiffed.

by steelerwheeler on May 12, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

One bad play does not make a player. No OL in the league is going to win every battle he faces. It just doesn’t happen. Faneca is still a great player. There was a reason that we ran left on a good portion of our runs when he was there.

I believe Faneca left because there was some tension with him and the coaching staff. I cannot remember the whole story. Maybe someone who remembers can offer up

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on May 12, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff here

Sorry I missed most of the discussion. The main question I would ask is how many QB pressures did the Steelers have in 2009? Although the sack total was not much lower than the previous year, if the number of QB pressures dropped, that would also account for some of Gay’s issues. It seems that the FO thought so as they heavily targeted depth at OLB and STs players in this draft, in addition to bringing back so many former players who should still be able to contribute, especially Foote and B-Mac.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 12, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm glad they're all back, don't belive in burnt bridges or closed doors ...

… because it’s a business, after all. And McFadden, Randle El, Leftwich make this a better, deeper Steelers team. Obviously there was a great need for Byron to play QB, but I hated the thought of Foote ending his career on the lowly Lions. No one can look good in the morass that is Washington, and Randle El was no exception. I always have rooted for Leftwich since he basically lost his Jaguars job because he broke an ankle.

by OrioleSteelerz on May 25, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  


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