Seventh Heaven in 2010?
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Factors that could contribute to a championship run this season
The Pittsburgh Steelers have already been written off as championship contenders for the 2010 season. This is promising news. If you have been following this franchise for a while you know that the Black and Gold have not been particularly good front runners over the past few decades, with the 2009 season being only the latest example of how high expectations usually lead to disappointment.
What follows is summary of the conditions that could lead to that seventh Lombardi Trophy this year.
Isn’t it a bit early, you may ask, to be addressing such concerns? It is more than a month before training camp begins. Well, from my perspective, that’s the challenge. I’ve been busy working on a contribution to the MSP Annual (an interview with four time SB champion Randy Grossman. Hope you like it.), but watching the events of the winter and spring with great interest. I’m not making any concrete predictions here. Someone could step in a hole on the first day of camp and change the trajectory of the entire season. What I’m aiming for is to illuminate a set of conditions that can be tracked throughout the season (argued and debated every step of the way) and could, if enough of them fall the right way lead to a championship run. Surprisingly little has to go right in order to be successful and, conversely, surprisingly little has to go wrong in order to fail. When speaking of the success of the Steelers teams of the ‘70s Randy Grossman stated that you have to be good, but you have to be lucky too. But before moving forward, a couple of disclaimers.
Injuries. It is unrealistic that in today’s NFL that any team can escape injuries. And I agree with Coach Tomlin that injuries should not change the expectations or goals of the team. We can hope, however, that what injuries do come happen sooner rather than later in the season, are not of the catastrophic variety (season or career ending) and touch lightly if at all on certain key positions.
Distractions. Particularly important this year, let’s hope we have already peaked in the knucklehead department for this season. No police blotter stuff, no failed substance abuse tests, no psychological or emotional breakdowns, no silly behavior over money, contracts or roles on the team. Unlike injuries these are avoidable. Let’s hope that no one becomes what Tomlin likes to refer to as ‘the Guy’, beyond our current problems.
The Chip. Saw a report on the NFL Network recently about the AFC North. All the talk was about how much the Cincinnati Bengals had improved and whether they could hold off the Ravens for the division title.
Returning to the AFC North I have also heard much about Flacco and Palmer, Boldin and Ocho Cinco, Rice and Benson, and the “ageless” Ray Lewis. (When a Steeler reaches age 30 he has one foot in the grave, while the Ray Lewis’ of the world become ‘ageless’. This is not just a problem with the punditry. I’ve heard a lot of that from the BTSC crowd as well.). Now we all have egos like the next guy and would love to hear someone sing the praises of the Black and Gold. But if you have been a Steelers fan for any length of time you’ll realize that there is nothing particularly unusual in what’s going on. It is savvy marketing to provide hope in order to attract the casual fan to the game. A casual Steelers fan is something of an oxymoron. We’re going to show up regardless, so we are not catered to.
The really good news is that somewhere Hines Ward is seething. One of the things that elite athletes are pretty good at is to take real and imagined slights and through a process of psychological alchemy transform them into outrageous acts of disrespect. The really great thing about this is that the slight doesn’t have to be real or rational. It makes total sense to suggest that losing your starting quarterback for up to six weeks should significantly weaken a team’s chances for a championship. To suggest otherwise; that would be disrespectful. Nonetheless, count on the Steelers being a very angry football team come Labor Day. There are too many people on that roster with Super Bowl rings (including newcomer Wil Allen ); too many with multiple Super Bowl rings for them to not be in a major league snit in being consigned to the middle of the pack among contenders. Much of the psychological fuel necessary for a successful run will come from this factor alone. The challenge for us fans is to bite our tongues and enjoy that ride under the radar until a couple of weeks or so after Ben returns to the team.
The Quarterback Corps. No team in football is better suited to successfully ride out the early season handicap of Ben’s suspension than
In addition, though Ben is clearly the best of the bunch, there are certain specific aspects of their games where both Leftwich and
His one major liability, lack of mobility (and perhaps a slow release) could be compensated for with a robust running attack, if they have the imagination and nerve, a package of plays where Dennis could be utilized ala Wildcat as a decoy or a weapon. The case for Dennis is strong and I would be just as pleased if he were on the field instead. In either case a .500 record or better over the course of Ben’s suspension is not just reasonable, but should be expected given the talent. In any case Ben’s absence in and of itself is insufficient cause to write off the Steelers. Now if it’s a maximum suspension based upon Ben’s inability to get his act together, well that’s another story; a distraction. The only downside here is that it’s unlikely that they will be able to keep all four. Smart money is that it will be Batch, a real shame given his popularity and leadership valued by players, management and fans alike.
Tomlin. There are stories surfacing that there might be some hesitation concerning getting a deal done on a contract extension and all the intrigue that can be associated with hesitation. As others have mentioned on the site, I’m not sure I buy into the notion that there is some problem between Tomlin and the front office. Seems more like the wishful thinking of journalists that have over a month of empty space to fill in the sports section than a real issue. However, if true, then that certainly qualifies as a distraction that could have a negative impact on team performance. It is also possible that what is being reflected in the process is a tangible difference between how Art II handles things and how they were handled by his father. And, quite frankly, what better time to address the issue than the quiet time between now and camp.
Leadership. Two of last year’s team captains were Ben Roethlisberger and Jeff Reed. Think about that for a moment. Team captains. You would hope that team captains would manage to stay off the police blotter, or at least do so less often than other members of the team. Fortunately, leadership can reside in more places than in positions such as captain of the team. And one area where
Both players bring additional experience having served in
The Third Leg. By that I mean the third leg of the stool. How will special teams measure up relative to the offense and defense? What will new assistant coach Al Everest bring to the table? What I find promising is that he has been doing this for a long time so he’s not just passing through paying dues on his way to other things. And if he sucked at this we would have known it by now. While the O and D took their share of knocks for last year’s disappointing season, special teams played a huge role in that failure. The good news is that there exists a solid foundation in the persons of kicker Jeff Reed and punter Daniel Sepulveda. Stefan Logan disappointed by not reminding anyone of Josh Cribbs or Devon Hester, but his performance was solid if not spectacular. The bar should certainly be set higher this year and despite the loss of Santonio Holmes there are plenty of candidates that show some promise of generating touchdowns through STs. As mentioned previously, as a former special teams captain it is hoped that Allen embraces a similar role as his ticket not just on to the roster but to a position of leadership as well. Hopefully Coach Everest will be able to inject the fundamentals and the necessary esprit to keep other teams from gouging and gashing their way to cheap points or favorable field position. Boringly obvious, I know, but absolutely essential.
Offensive Line. I was told once that sometimes things have to change a great deal before even a portion of that change will be noticed. For years we have been accustomed to seeing the O-line as an area of weakness. They have been blamed for both an anemic running game and the high number of sacks that Ben has had to endure. Upon closer examination we find a more complicated story. Few offensive lines are very effective after five seconds. Ben himself has acknowledged that his stubbornness has as much to do with the sack totals as anything. The issues with the running game have as much to do with lack of commitment as anything.
So what will be the state of the offensive line this season? More specifically, will it be good enough to do its part in sustaining a championship run? The hysteria in the BTSC community over the alleged incompetence of Max Starks has evaporated since he was permanently installed in the critical left tackle position. His performance has been steady and he has emerged as a leader of this crew. Kemoeatu has been steadily coming along and is beginning to be recognized as one of the better guards around.
Depth and competition will be provided by a maturing Foster, Essex, Urbik, Hills and hopefully, newcomer Scott may contribute as well. With Coach Z gone (don’t have him to kick around anymore) and some new leadership this will be an exciting time. This group should be watched carefully.
Timmons (once again). Last year was supposed to be the breakout for Lawrence Timmons. That expectation was probably part of the reason that Larry Foote fled to
Wallace. Santonio Holmes will certainly be missed on the field, but his loss does help to solve the problem of how to get more exposure for the emerging Mike Wallace. Wallace is hardly a finished project yet, but in his rookie season he quickly outpaced team and fan expectations. His development will certainly be accelerated with full time play in the offense. Hines Ward, when asked by the NFL Network, opined that he was expecting a big breakout year for Wallace. The loss of Holmes is another reason that the Steelers have been written off this year. I don’t subscribe to the notion that there will be a serious falloff in the receiving corps this year, unless it is related to unforeseen injury. Randle El was not properly utilized by the Redskins, he could be very effective the second time around. The feedback on rookies Sanders and Brown has been very positive. Maybe one could be this year’s Wallace. It makes you wonder what sort of traffic jam would have occurred if Tone hadn’t been released and Sweed was healthy. I argue against any significant decline in the passing game beyond any discontinuity associated with the suspension of Ben and reemphasis on the running game. Let’s also remember that if we had kept Tone, he would lost for a time to suspension as well, plus the likelihood of more distractions from his disorganized life.
The other running back. This should be Rashard’s best year yet. But a first class running attack requires more; not just situational substitutes, but a change of pace back who can also carry the full weight of the running game in the case of injury. Dwyer, Redman and Summers are the most likely candidates at the moment. My preference at the moment is for Dwyer but I wouldn’t be too disappointed if one of the others really stepped up and showed out. Until then the running game hangs by the thread of Mendenhall’s continued good health and effectiveness. That’s just too thin.
Ben. If I had been dealt Ben’s hand when I was his age I might have been an asshole too. The difference between Ben and a lot of elite quarterbacks is that they all had some humbling, grounding experiences before they experienced the bright lights of stardom and the accompanying distortions of reality. The only other exception I can think of is…Michael Vick. Hmmm. So Ben is fortunate that he’s had this little intervention before he ended up in
The Window. Long time denizens of BTSC remember threads where there was general agreement that the 2010-11 time frame was the prime window of opportunity for the Steelers. Ben, Troy, Heath and Ike would be in their prime, Hines, Snack, Smith, Farrior and the rest of the over 30 crowd would still have enough tread on the tires to perform at a high level and the front office would keep the new talent coming. It made sense then, it makes sense now. As they realize that there aren’t that many bites of the apple left the older players in particular (and the young ones who realize that they need help) will be acting with increasing desperation. No one knows if they’ll even be a season next year. If so it could a half dozen years or more before an opportunity of this quality presents itself again. Decades can pass between Super Bowl opportunities. It continues to be a credit to the organization that we can delude ourselves into thinking that we can go nearly every year.
The Competition. It won’t be easy. The Bengals, Ravens and Browns have all improved. The AFC North may well be the toughest division in football this year. They realize too that this is likely to be the last year under the current set of rules governing issues such as free agency. And that next season is not guaranteed. This is it folks. There will be a future but it is hardly foreseeable at this particular juncture. I think we may be in for one helluva run.
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This post has to be one of the top few I have ever read on BTSC
Especially agree on the Window idea. Although we have good youth some of the key positions are getting a bit old.
I cannot imagine us winning a super bowl after Hamp and Farrior retire without adequate replacements. The window in my opinion is going to be 2011-2012 because by then many of the more promising young guys we have will be in their prime while the vets will still just be around.
This year we won’t see much out of Pouncey, Sanders, Mendy/Dwyer (Mendy has improving to do), Ziggy, Burnett, Lewis, Butler?) So if those guys step up and the guys like Woodley, Wallace, Ben, Timmons, Starks, Colon and Heath can all hit their prime, the squad will be heaped with talent and the older players such as Snack, Hines, Farrior, Troy, Ike, Clark and Deebo can slowly decline while still playing at an above average level.
Still I believe we have a 3 year window of greatness left, unless we strike gold on a few guys in next years draft.
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint." Myron Cope, after Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder sent someone into the broadcast booth during a game to tell Cope to stop referring to his team as the "Wash Redfaces."
I will no longer use my sig as a way of predicting things as I seem to be a kiss of death to the poor kids I big up so much.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
P.S. Man up you americans!
It’s 3am here and I’m still around, get talking and posting!
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint." Myron Cope, after Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder sent someone into the broadcast booth during a game to tell Cope to stop referring to his team as the "Wash Redfaces."
I will no longer use my sig as a way of predicting things as I seem to be a kiss of death to the poor kids I big up so much.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I lol'd...
I enjoy your enthusiasm… I believe that the “chip” talking point will be the biggest motivation this year… i don’t know about any other Steelers fans but I have been taking a serious beating on virtually every sports site/blog (ESPN, profootballtalk, foxsports, etc, etc) just for remaining a Steelers fan after this offseason so I KNOW that is has to be 10 times worse of the actual players.
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
english!!!
why r u soooo angry man!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
slasher
where have you been man.. do you poast at work?
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
yeah bro...
haha!!! dude this is the only free time i can get PCI, cause when I get home…i am drinking lol!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
rough night last night PCI crazy times bro lol!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
so hey man in 2 weeks bro were getting down hommie!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
ok we should have a BTSC meetup in Raleigh
I posted it in another thread somewhere else
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
PCI dude I'm down bro...
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm never angry, you should know that
We English don’t get angry, we just point out flaws calmly
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that."
Bill Shankly
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 25, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Grrrr...
lol!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I bought into the window last year
But I think I disagree with it after this years draft. I think the Steelers are doing what they always do…building through the draft. We are simply heading toward another time for the team to roll over and say good bye to some old favorites and hello to some fresh legs.
Aaron Smith – Ziggy Hood
Brett Keisel – Sunny Harris
Hampton – Maybe we switch to a smaller agile NT with Steve McLendon or Harris
Harrison – Worilds
Farrior – Fox/Foote should hold us over until we find out about Gibson
Taylor – Keenan Lewis/Crezdeon Butler, we’ve heard whispers about them being very impressive at camp
Troy – That one will be impossible to replace. This is my big fear. Maybe we make a big trade to get the top safety in an upcoming draft.
Clark – I love Clark, but I don’t think anyone would disagree that he isn’t easy to replace. Even with better talent. Its not unreasonable to think Mundy/Gay/Burnett could be that guy.
OL- Our OL is pretty young, as that Philly fan who wrote that OL article showed. Can’t find it in the quick search I just did, but I think the avg age of our line was top 10.
RB-Moore is the only old dude
TE-Pretty young, maybe look for a TE next year or two or three.
WR-Young and promising youth. Maybe need a top staple WR that is big.
I am not worried at all about the “window”.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Stuff Va
This piece is very inspiring. And your right. The Steelers do seem to play better with a chip their shoulder.
I got that feeling in my stomach and it's not just gas.
I have said it before I think the Steelers will surprise many this year.
The defense will be one of if not the best in the league.
Depth, depth, depth.
We made more FA moves in the offseason for special teams than any other area.
Last year we led many games by 17+ points at the half only to see the lead dwindle into a loss because of clock mismanagement and defensive breakdowns( due mainly to bad pass prevention).
We were one play away from walking into the playoffs.
The writing is on the wall, and it’s in the cards, the tea leaves have spoken, the oracle belched,
this team can do it.
HERE WE GO!!!
yes love it
First of all, let’s all be glad Rick’s feeling better and able to write a gem like this. Wasn’t feeling too hot the other day when we finished his MSP article up. I wasn’t expecting this so soon! Great stuff. Agree with everything. And yes, we saw these two years as the prime years many moons ago – funny how a minor distraction allows all the ‘professional’ expert analysts to disregard all this other stuff. Cheers, good sir.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
its a minor distraction that gets stretched out
a Super Bowl win or an appereance will shut the skeptics out
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I Can See Seventh Heaven
I think that this year’s team is very talented and deep. We have a good crop of rookies mixed in with VERY good vets. The only spot that I think we need help in is an effective backup for Casey. We need some fresh “hungry” young player to push Casey and let him know that someone wants his job. I think that all of our other defensive positions will have ample backup. We are going to be the “sacks” leader this year (and I don’t mean sacks on Ben – LOL) I think that our offense will be in the top “3” in the league. We have much more talent than our fans realize. Our running attack will not stall on "3rd and short this year. The addition of Dwyer and Thompson and the emergence of Frank Summers will prove to be awesome and will outshine ALL of our past running games. We have speedy new receivers who can also push Logan for opportunities on punt and kickoff returns. We are going to see some long runbacks this season. Our Special Teams have definitely been upgraded this year. Our linebackers of the future Worilds, Gibson and Sylvester will want to display their talents and show why they were drafted. They will make great strides and improve our Special Teams dramatically . I feel VERY confident in this team. Remember – you heard it from me.
I’m a Ravens fan and I don’t ever count you guys out. I don’t expect the non-Ben game to be an automatic W for us, although it would definitely be a problem if we didn’t win.
This is a good article. Nobody can really say you have a “bad” or “weak” team because you obviously don’t. But that last tiny paragraph on “The Competition” seems to mention the other AFCN teams as a bit of an afterthought. I’ll just say this: as a Ravens fan, I’m perfectly comfortable with the way we look heading into this season. It’s good to know that you are also comfortable, but you should be mentally prepared for some difficulty by the looks of the Bengals and Ravens teams right now.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Bengals had their once in a decade season last year.
They are done. But, I agree with you about the Ravens. They will be alot better with Boldin.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 26, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
RickVa with his consistent masterpieces....
It’s been a while, but this is another excellent post. I agree that the Steelers will surprise alot of people this season. In fact, I’m thinking at least AFC Championship game. I think it comes down to Steelers and Ravens this year.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 25, 2010 6:36 AM EDT reply actions
way to teach your daughter well
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"You Don't mess with the USA" Landon Donavan
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
oooooof???
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
what
I noticed his Sig, and throughly enjoyed it
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"You Don't mess with the USA" Landon Donavan
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
well
Thank you, sir. I always enjoy reading your posts, you know your stuff.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 25, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
compared to some of the guys on this site I know very little
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"You Don't mess with the USA" Landon Donavan
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
ur not the only one. I know very little myself
this site is a great place for not only Steeler history , but also NFL history and current changes in the league especially the Steelers. We can occasionally catch a wave too
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Great Post
Through and through a very interesting article. If the Steelers avoid the injury bug and the young guys step up? It could well be a very interesting season.
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
heck yeah great poast + 1
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
great poast Rick
i’ll drop an opinion later. I have work to do
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
PCI sounds good man...
I am down just hit me up…and let me know whats up!!! my computer here at work is really slow today and it is pissing me off…
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
Probably going to comment about 10 times as I read so I don't forget something
One of the things that elite athletes are pretty good at is to take real and imagined slights and through a process of psychological alchemy transform them into outrageous acts of disrespect
What a great line. It’s so true too. Michael Jordan was great at that, and I think Hines Ward is one of the best in the NFL at doing that. I used to do it when I played sports, because it just keeps you focused on accomplishing something.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
yeah but Hines is no MJ, and he has visibly declined, as all athletes do. Even MJ.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Wait...Hines is not Michael Jordan? WHAT?!?!
Funny how Mason is going to be so nasty this year. And Lewis is “ageless”, but somehow Ward is just getting old and declining. I suppose your argument is good though, he only had one of the best seasons of his career last year.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jun 26, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
It makes you wonder what sort of traffic jam would have occurred if Tone hadn’t been released
I think our draft approach would have been a bit different if Tone hadn’t been traded. Maybe we would have only taken 1 WR, or maybe none at all. Who knows.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
Probably would have drafted
Probably would have drafted one WR any how. Don’t know if they would have signed both El and Battle though.
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by steeler junky on Jun 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably Battle, but not El
Battle is seen as a ST ace and WR. We just got El because he knows the playbook and is a vet. We would have had that in Holmes. Hopefully, one of these WR draft picks is a stud.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Decent
Ya, I think both these rookie WR can play, But one thing about the Steelers they look to upgrade in every draft. Hard to tell where they might look next year. Maybe 2011 draft will be the year of the SS.
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by steeler junky on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
add
or NT
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by steeler junky on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure every NFL team looks to “upgrade” in every draft.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
the Denver Broncos respectfully disagree
"all my bitches, take some shots!"
by dankdiggety on Jun 26, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
as do the Cleveland Clowns
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
each in their own way
I wouldn’t know? I only pay attention to other teams when they are on the the same field as the Steelers.
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by steeler junky on Jun 27, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO
I don’t think the WR we drafted would have been any different if #10 was still here. Remember, this is his contract year, with the rumbleings we either were not going to make him an offer, or someone would have outbid us for him.
Also, #10 or not, the Steelers have been in the habit of drafting 2-3 WR’s per year and/or bringing in a few FA’s for cheap, just because how hit and miss our luck has been.
by Welcome to Sixxburgh! on Jun 28, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice read RickVA
I too think this team is talented, and if I had to point fingers, my one big concern is the head coach. I’m not happy with Tomlin’s ways of doing business. He promises the world and delivers little. Until the Rooney’s get off their duffs and find a real HC who will take charge, take ownership of the job, they’ll flop around like last year. Yeah injuries played a roll last year, the overall coaching job was very C- to D+. Tomlin is a yes man for the Rooney’s, that plain and simple. Our special teams play was horrendous. Our D, too many games we had the lead and our D lost it. When Dick puts us in the prevent, it prevents us from winning. It signals the O’s out there feeding time. We don’t have the DBs to play the prevent right, and teams pick it apart.
The Rooney’s want the return to turtle O, they want smash mouth football back, but we don’t have the O line to smash anything. When we decided to change our blocking scheme, we went away from maulers, to finesse, and now we have finessed our way into not being able to run. Even though we didn’t go to the playoffs last year, opening up the O, was the right thing to do. Ben threw for over 4K yard wise. Exciting to say the least. Reverting back to turtle O is not the answer. We were way too predictable…Run, run pass, punt. A solid balance of passing, and running is needed, we will not win it all on Ben’s arm. Nor will we win it all on Rashard’s legs, but a nice mix will keep D’s honest and score points.
If we can stay healthy we should make the playoffs. Super bowl run? Depends on our health going into them. We are not going to win much with our second string DB’s and DL’s starting 75% of the games. One last point, Bruce Arien’s was given another chance to show the world what he can do with talent. Don’t screw it up, as you were very close to standing in a unemployment line. If I was in charge (Art II), I’d let Tomlin and Arien’s know their jobs are on the line this year. This game is not about "between the 20’s’, it’s about who can score on a regular basis. The O can score at will, but the D has to hold the line. Last year we held nothing, and we didn’t make the play offs. Three games, KC, OAK, CLE losses kept us out, will we see the same this year? If Tomlin wants to keep his job, he better find a way to win the games against the leagues worst teams. Playing down to the level of the other team proved costly for us. Our Steelers have got to play solid, have got to take advantage of every miscue the other team makes. Take no prisoner mentality must prevail, or we’ll see more losses to teams who are light years from a play off appearances. I mean losses to OAK, CLE, and KC, come on, that should have cost Tomlin his job last year. You can not lose to the leagues worst teams and expect to keep your job. Complacency, incompetence, can not happen on this team, or we’ll end up like the stains. I hope the Rooney’s have discussed these lapses with the coaches.
The Rooney’s want the return to turtle O, they want smash mouth football back, but we don’t have the O line to smash anything.
I could not disagree more. Kemo and Pouncey for sure are maulers, and Hartwig can be. Also, I don’t see Colon or Starks as finesse guys either…not sure a LT can be finesse.
Moreover, I don’t think our low running numbers were the result of an inability to run, as much as it was poor play calling and not utilizing the run efficiently. Our Y/A was right in the middle of the league (not at the bottom) and I imagine that better and smarter play calling would have vastly improved that. Additionally, I think getting rid of hesitant Willie Parker and his 1 yard runs will improve our Y/A. We shall see though.
I do happen to agree with you that I don’t think Tomlin’s contract is not certain. Not for the extreme you believe, but because last year I believe that he responded to the ST woes to late and weakly at first. Additionally, I kind of fear that he is a bit hesitant with pushing some people out the door even if they cannot perform anymore (Farrior) and responding too late to William Gay. Even with the injuries, there was still more Tomlin could have done last year to help out more.
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem
with the line was the zone scheme. They were trying to take maulers and make them finesse players. That just didn’t work, they didn’t have the skill. They are too big for that. Our line is best suited for a mauling type. We don’t have the small athletic zone blocking lineman like the colts. I think the new offensive line coach will pay huge dividends in the running game. The line will improve again and I think Ben will take the getting the ball out of his hands quicker more seriously when he comes back. The super man act is over. I hope Rick eats much crow after this year.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jun 25, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what I meant to say
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Kemo take out something like three Chargers last year on one running play
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bills last year had a decent running game IIRC
and the O-line coach had to shuffle 5 or 6 new lineman in and out due to injuries. i expect an improved running game…as long as BA buys into it and utilizes it
Things can always be worse....
exactly
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by count'em_six on Jun 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa
I too think this team is talented, and if I had to point fingers, my one big concern is the head coach. I’m not happy with Tomlin’s ways of doing business. He promises the world and delivers little. Until the Rooney’s get off their duffs and find a real HC who will take charge, take ownership of the job, they’ll flop around like last year. Yeah injuries played a roll last year, the overall coaching job was very C- to D+. Tomlin is a yes man for the Rooney’s, that plain and simple.
I think you are way off base here. Is the man the perfect coach? No. Was Bill Cowher? No. But the man has yet to have a losing season, has won a Super Bowl and has more win in his first 3 years than most coaches. Some argue that he won with Bill Cowher’s team. Lets not get it twisted here, this isn’t Jon Gruden here. There were 2 years in between super bowls and tomlin won in his 2nd year not his first. What more do you want of the man. Think how long it took Cowher to win his Super Bowl. This not something easy to do. Could tomlin have done some things better of course, I think only Bill Bilichick only thinks he does a perfect coaching job every year. But the main problem was injuries last season and that can happen to any team. Special teams also and the problem was eventually fixed. If you remember correctly, Cowher’s teams often played down to their competition too. Getting players to not over look another teams Losses is tough. Its human nature.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jun 25, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tann once again you amaze me man...
good comment!!! + 1
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, plus 1 more.
If Tomlin is a good coach? He will make mistakes and get better every year for them.
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by steeler junky on Jun 25, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
true...
the Rooney’s are very leanient when it comes to coaches, Chuck Noll had 4 losing seasons even before he started to win.
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
we have had how many coaches in teh last 40 years
5 or 6, so MT will get every chance to succed
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Noll, Cowher & Tomlin
That’s it since Noll was hired in 1970. Now if only we would have had any success in that time period.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
actually it was 1969
but what is year between friends
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
My mathh skills failed me there for a moment
I went back to 1960 instead of 1970
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And how long did it take Cowher to address Special Teams?
Criminy, talk about a pighead sombitch.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Cowher Special Teams
were never special. Granted they wasn’t as bad as last year, but tomlin has put an emphasis on it and the secondary play, 2008 was the first year the steelers lead the lead in pass defense that I can remember.
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by tannofsteel84 on Jun 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
But the 2009 Steelers ST was historically the worst ST the Steelers have ever had in the SB era.
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
See I'm not so sure about that
I know you are the Statman but, by what measure would quantify this? I remember getting torched regularly under Cowher in the mid-to-late 90s. He’s give it lip service and never do a THING. I assert that Tomlin has not only acknowledged it but taken action to improve it, regardless of any results. Last year was not the worst I have ever seen.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The last time the Steelers ST was ranked in the bottom 10 of the league was 1994. Blitz and I, I believe, are going to put together an article about it. The ST has only once ever given up a yds/rt as high as last year, that was in 1986. Additionally, last year’s 4 KO return TDs, marks only the second time in the SB era of NFL history that has ever happened.
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, those are good examples
But, I will contest that year after year after year after year after year after year, our special teams were downright terrible and Cowher did next to nothing about it. Tomlin not only acknowledged it mid-season, a mea culpe you would never get from Cowher, but he actually made moves to do something aboot it, albeit a tad late.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno man
Here are the ranks (by kickoff return yards per return) some reason punt return isn’t available
2006 – 17th
2005 – 17th
2005 – 15th
2004 – 16th
2003 – 9th
2002 – 11th
2001 – 14th
2000 – 15th
1999 – 3rd
1998 – 3rd
1997 – 8th
1996 – 16th
1995 – 1st
1994 – 23rd
1993 – 25th
1992 – 19th
Looks like when Cowher got there they were awful, and he turned them around in 3 seasons. Their best years were actually at the end of the 90s you mentioned. Then they were just average in the 2000s, which is more than enough for a team with a defense like that. Maybe the punt coverage was bad, but this shows his KO team was generally good.
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about returns
I’m talking about coverage. I don’t care so much about returns. Field pos. is nice and a homerun every now and then is nice, but, the coverage units are the ones that concern me.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No
That is our coverage. What other teams averaged against us.
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a link to your source?
I would like to take a closer look over the weekend. Something doesn’t smell right.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, that was me...
Chili and Coors Original last night…woof…
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pro-football-reference.com, my favorite stat website
Click the “Years” tab. Pick your year. Then click “Opposition & Defense Stats”. The ST is near the bottom.
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny 5...
is ALIVE!!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Th
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes, more reply fails today
what I meant to say was THANKS!
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
d'oh!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
chewie...
don’t feel bad my internet bandwidth @ the office is going rather slow like molasses…and i can only post on one blog and it takes me like 15 mins to get onto another one after loading times ugh!!! WTF!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree tann...good stuff
there was so much going on at the same time, you had defensive breakdowns, ST breakdowns, an almost nonexistant, inconsistent run game as well as injuries to key players. We need to remember that MT is still a young coach even though he shows the maturity/wisdom of one with more experience. It may have just been too much at one time to fix. We do not know what is gong on behind the scenes,theymay have been working on stuff that either never came to fruition or took longer than they thought.
Things can always be worse....
And what do you want him to do?
What could he do. He had the players he had and thats all he had to work with. Its not like he could create better players on the spot. Mundy got some burn, so did burnett, it didn’t seem to make much of a difference. So what he ran his mouth and the team didn’t respond, I don’t think the team could respond. If you’re slow, you’re slow. Now I do think he should have handle BA a lot differently but he is a defensive coach so I can see how he might not touch the offense that much. We’ll see more of what he is made of this year.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I think last season wasn’t anything more than a dominoe effect but it was a “perfect storm” of failures, injuries to 43 made the D play different, Sp teams eff up’s missed FG’s one week turnovers the next, pick 6’s galore, not enough running early forced to pass late, passing a lot makes O on and back off fast which transitions to a very tired defense who has to play completely different when behind-that just progressively got worse as the year went on, and so on
You could probably throw in there too how effed up was Ben (in the head, too much partying?) chances are that was part of it, look at how out of shape he looked, and the dissension that formed on the team (you know something is up when 86 is publicly voicing his concerns)-something was either known, or eyebrows at least were raised.
All of the failures last season, the most logical explanation is a well timed (poorly timed as far as we are concerned) snowball effect of errors
by Welcome to Sixxburgh! on Jun 28, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree Also
Good post “tann”. Tomlin is a “new” coach – and look what he has accomplished. He will strengthen up his weak points. He has a TON of talent this year and he will learn to be stronger with the discipline of the players and he will be in control of his assistant coaches AND play calling. All “new” coaches have to grow and he WILL!!. Our team is going to shock the “non believers” this year. Can’t wait for camp to start and see all of the competition vying for a place as a starter and for the “newbies” a place on the roster. Am glad to see that others agree with you “tann”.
Thank God the Rooney's are in charge
and not you.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
ooooof!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
why is there all this hate going on lol...
GUYS IT’S FRIDAY!!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don'
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
um .. ..
t know. I just hate comments like that. Yeah, anybody other than the Rooney’s would have had a dozen or more head coaches over the past 40 years. Yep, and we have seen how much success that brings.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
puzzled by the "points" you make
You say on one hand " This game is not about “between the 20’s’, it’s about who can score on a regular basis” then proceed to say “The O can score at will”.
You say “my one big concern is the head coach” then say “If we can stay healthy we should make the playoffs. Super bowl run? Depends on our health going into them.”
I’m confused
by lamarr_the_BEAST! on Jun 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the dude is a undercover Bungles, or Browns fan?
you aren’t the only one dude, regardless of dudes conflicting statements, I can’t tell for the life of me where he’s seeing what he see’s. O-line the past 2 seasons sucked at pass protection, not running. Play calls while yes some were suspect, in no way Tomlins job should have ever been thought to be in jeopardy.
Like chewiesteeler says above consistency at the head coach has been our way for 40 + years, Christ WSH has had 13 head coaches during the same time as we have had 3.
by Welcome to Sixxburgh! on Jun 28, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Where are you getting your Steelers outlook from?
I need to start where you ended, yes losses to OAK, KC, CLE, CHI, and BALT, and almost to DET, were absolutely, undeniably horrible and pathetic. But in no way should Tomlins job ever been in jeopardy, Tomlin never lost a game, our players did. We as Steelers (thank God for the Rooneys) don’t fly that way, now 2 to maybe 3 years of substandard play, yes then definitely the Hot Seat. There’s 1 word for the reason why year-in and year-out we have a contending team, stability. Other teams can and do pull that crap, good for them, that’s why we have 6 Super Bowls in PGH, and they don’t. We are not them, and they are not the Steelers. I don’t know where you are getting the complacent, incompetence vibe from, I certainly never even caught wind of that, cure there’s somethings that could have been done differently, but for one hindsight is always 20/20, and two there’s only so much that can be changed during a season.
Finally some people who see things like me (or maybe it’s me seeing things like yinz) either way, for years I have been a “please no hype” person regarding our Steelers. It never fails, when we are put as a or the team to beat we fall flat, when we are suppose to suck, here we come AFC champ, and/or Super Bowl. We are Pittsburgh, the underdog role has always fit our team, the fans, the residence and area of Western PA.
i think it’s more than just the Rooneys who want the “turtle O” to come back, I tend to agree. Granted, my favorite games are the 13-7 9-3 slobber knockers. But, as much as I liked the records Ben, Hines, and #10 set last year, it did prove something to the NFL, that we can air it out. But that’s a catch 22, the trickle down effect of that much passing is IMO why we layed so many turds last year. We run, it eats the clock, keeps us in possession, makes the OP D work that much harder and by the 4th QT they have no fight left, also it keeps Ben upright which is going to be vital here soon enough (he’s already a physical player, when you are his size, and take so many hits, your body will give up). On with the “trickle down” O is on the field, Defense is getting rest, which we know is important, the D last year being Swiss cheese in the most inopportune times was a direct result of simply being tired (mostly anyways), the last reason why I think the “turtle O” needs a resurgence- Special Teams we control the ball and clock D gets more turnovers, opponents score less, we punt less.
About the line, see I believe the opposite of what you were saying, I think our line is better at run blocking, pass blocking they stink, that’s pretty apparent when you look at last years stats, and the prior years, take away the Texans and we lead the league sacks allowed 2 years running (no pun intended), I know i can’t put it all on the o-line, Ben is accountable to for some of those sacks, but it still remains we win a Super Bowl 2 years ago, and with pretty much the same line we stink up the joint the next? So logically where is the difference, attempts and overall yardage for the running game. We do know there is a good happy medium there, we’ve seen it.
by Welcome to Sixxburgh! on Jun 28, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Over/Under time
Wins – 12
Total Sacks for the Defense – 60
Rushing Yards for Mendenhall – 1500
Number of spins for Mendenhall – 2087
Times BA makes a confusing call – 5891
Jaws Hines Breaks – 3
Satisfaction of knocking the Saints down a peg – 100%
Combined score of the Browns games – 84-10
Times the Ike shuts down Chad Johnson – 2
Number of Eyebrows that Joe Falcco has at the end of the season – 1
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Under
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Over (for us)
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
so do you think that 11 wins is a good number
its should win the division
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 10 could win the division
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
10-6
I have been calling it…
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
10-6
could be a 3 way tie.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jun 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Push the button!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by John Stephens on Jun 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
+69
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by count'em_six on Jun 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
DOUTCH!
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
what up playa!!!
"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.
by count'em_six on Jun 25, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
3-D Pong
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I only play 4-D games
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by count'em_six on Jun 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
cap'n -n- coke
nummy nummy nummy
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by count'em_six on Jun 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Number of spins
I hope it’s 20.87, all that spinning scares the crap outta me. Just put yer damn shoulder down!
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by kick him in the head on Jun 25, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The QB and Special Teams could decide our season
While our Defense scares the sh*t out of me, I’m sure they’ll do their part. If our Special Teams lets us down again, I’ll be pissed.
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Why does the D scare the shite out of you?
They are going to be scary good or potentially scary bad?
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
doubt they will be that bad
as bad as last year was, they were still ranked number 5 defense in the NFL
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by tannofsteel84 on Jun 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
#5 overall
but, I think (without looking it up) #15 against the pass, and 3rd or 4th Vs. run…
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I hope they’ll be better, but I’m used to being wrong.
I dunno, I’ll let them do the talking.
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Don't forget A Smith will also be back,
as well as some returning veteran leadership (Foote, McFadden), some seasoned young guys entering their prime (Woodley, Timmons) and an infusion of youth. I say this Mini Hulk .. .. .. this D is going to be scary this year alright, scary good.
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by chewiesteeler on Jun 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you're right
I think I should be more worried about our Offense for the first 4-6 games, but I’m not.
I guess I’m expecting the worse.
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That one man
is worth a 10 pt differential. in terms of offensive scoring. that one man is more than a man
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he is a Demi-God
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go there
more like he is 2 men. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a Unicorn and a Liger mixed into one!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jun 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That is an ustoppable force, if I have ever heard one
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
"The really good news is that somewhere Hines Ward is seething."
That’s all that needs to be said! I giggled like an anxious school girl when I read that.
by BayAreaCASteeler on Jun 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions
some one is going to be eating soup through a straw at some point this season
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah Ray Rice.. i hope
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I was thinking Chad Johnson
maybe someone who playes for the Browns, I can onyl name one guy and thats Josh Cribbs
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah dont the browns have this guy he plays on the field...ummmm damn what his name
cant think of anyone else in that team. oh yeah Rogers was arrested last year or something like that. what a sorry team.
I’d rather have Rice out. He’s their offense
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
we need a demotivational poster for that
Irerelvance – When Fans whose team plays in the same Division as you can’t name any of your players, You may be doing something wrong
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 26, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
funny
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
RickVa
Take off your hat before reading more….
Is it off?
Okay… Good to go.
This is an excellent post. Intelligent, well written, informative and positive.
Good Job.
Okay… now see if your hat still fits. I didn’t want you stretching it too much.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jun 25, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks Rick
Perfect June portrait. I think the new line coach is going to be HUGE. I hope, that is. Also, it’s good to have a guy like Tomlin, a guy who embraces adversity, at a time when we need that exact attitude.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
And congrats to you MR
On the new book. Plan on making it part of my summer reading.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jun 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I second that
Can’t wait to pick one up.
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by count'em_six on Jun 25, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That and Swiss's book
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And in the other conference the defending champion Saints, Vikings, Bears, Falcons, 49ers, Packers and Cowboys (always) will be spoken of as Super Bowl contenders.
Seriously? The Bears? I’m pretty sure they were terrible last year.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
And will be this year, too. (The Bears)
Packers and Vikings in that division will be a dogfight.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 26, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Good writeup, Rick....
Adding my two cents to popular discussion items
*I’m really hopeful Steelers go 3-1 without Ben. How ‘bout we cede the Tennessee game, but beat Baltimore at home. Steelers very nearly did so, sans Ben, last November, AT Baltimore. Should that happen, Heinz Field will be freakin’ electric come Ben’s return against the Browns following the bye. Those that felt some personal need to “forgive” Ben will have passed along their penance by that time. Of course, there will be a gang of nitwits that will favor the continued starting of Lefty or Dixon should the team be 3-1 with them at the helm.
*I think we miss Tone. Contrary to the thinking of Tone’s departure meaning a better year for Wallace, I’m thinking the opposite. Tone was the only Steelers capable of getting open on intermediate routes, offering Wallace more space deep. Randle El? Agree with his leadership capabilities….but he’s more the utility guy, the return guy. He never was all that as a receiever. People point out to the absence of Plax in ‘05, and the Steelers Super Bowl run…..but…..the running game was solid, both in terms of a line with pedigree and a back with lean. The line will be improved, but they’re not quite there. I’m hopeful as well….but my optimism comes with little foundation.
*Tomlin: I hope he continues to learn from mistakes as well, and he can take his pick out of last year’s errors. Year before, he erred by calling a timeout on 1st down from the 5 against Baltimore in December, learned quickly, and didn’t do it when faced with the same scenario in the Super Bowl. His major gaffes from last year….
-Running his slowest back (Mewelde) wide on 3rd & 2 against KC in overtime while on the cusp of FG range. Yes….he’s not the OC, but the buck stops with the head man.
-Attempting a 53-yard FG v. Oakland with a 10-6 lead at the onset of 4Q. This put Oakland in good position to march down & score, starting a breakout 4Q. Tomlin said he made the call based on Jeff Reed’s history. Was that the history, coach, whereby Skippy has yet to make even one kick beyond 50 yards in that venue?
-Onside kick vs. GB. I know, Steelers won so all was good. Tomlin’s rationale of wanting to get the ball back was flawed. Sure, we did, and we won, but had GB been more careful, they could have easily exhausted the entire clock, and won the game on a gimme FG.
By the way, Cowher had an undeserved rep as some special teams guru. I completly agree with the previous poster that prioritized coverage v. returns. Great returns are bonuses……lousy coverage are killers. Just remember, the best example ever of Cowher having his ass handed to him, was by Belichick in the ‘01 AFCCG when Josh MIller’s booming punt was called back due to the nitwit Troy Edwards running out of bounds. Belichick noticed his propensity to do this during film study, and pointed it out to the refs. Cowher either didn’t notice, or noticed and did nothing to correct it. We well remember what happened. Troy Brown took the rekick to the house.
The onside kick was one of the few positive moves Tomlin had all year.
Not simply because they won, but because he recognized the flow of the game. There was no way we were stopping GB from scoring there. They had gone through our defense way too easy, and an onside kick was a gutsy move by a coach who had few options left.
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by idiscgolftexas on Jun 26, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Check the boxscore...
I’ll buy half of Tomlin’s logic, the part of the Steelers needing to regain possession in order to win. The part about getting the ball back with enough time after an eventual GB score was seriously flawed, and Tomlin was damn lucky in the end. Had the Green Bay TD been a first down short of the endzone instead, GB could have run the clock down to the final second and then kicked a 20-yard FG for the game winner.
Rather be lucky than good, I guess.
but wouldn't you agree that
without the onside kick, and our defense’s inability to stop the packers in the fourth quarter, the chance was at least bigger to get the ball back if GB would have less ground to cover? Sure, it still wasn’t 100%, but way closer than letting GB have the whole field to drive with enough time to execute a good 2 min drill.
I will cede...
…that things certainly turned out just right. True, had there not been an onside, Green Bay very might have used the entire clock while punching the ball in, or kicking the winning FG. My point is that I’m buying that Tomlin though his team had a very good chance to recover the onside….and they damn well nearly did. The other biz about GB scoring and leaving suffcient time though, was a stroke of good luck. Had the receiver on the GB TD been tackled in the field of play, that clock was going down to one second and Mason Crosby was trotting in to attempt a 20-yarder to win it. Now…Crosby had missed a 31-yarder, which may have influenced the GB play selection.
Ironically, that game’s on right now on NFL Replay.
well, we can agree with the good luck part
But that’s all part of the game, isn’t it? ;) In my opinion, they won, that’s all that matters. A W can justify anything, because that is what will be remembered in history. I won’t ever be a coach with that opinion, but it works for being a fan :)
No doubt...
You’re absolutely right about that part, Simonsen….winning covers alot of warts. Can’t argue with the result
Nice observations Swiss
We would have to do without Tone even if he stayed. He would be serving suspension at the same time as Ben.
So there would have to be some stepping up a receiver regardless. Remember also that Tone was not there for us against the Giants during SB run in ‘08. What no one is talking about is that if getting SB MVP wasn’t enough to spur him to grow up his behavior is liable to continue. With the distractions and temptations of NYC he may be serious trouble soon.
I am hoping Randle El can be more productive as a # 3 receiver. Maybe that’ll be a better fit. As for Tomlin, sometimes success is more of a challenge to overcome than failure. Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs and a bunch of other guys have failed to put together back to back championships even though they had the necessary talent. thanks for the feedback.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jun 26, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Like you, Rick....
I think the Steelers have a good shot at a Super Bowl run. That’s why, even though Tone would have to sit the first four games, and he’s in the final year of his deal, I’d like to have him for the remaining 12 regular season games, and the playoff run. In addition to his ability to find the seams in a defense, he’s a beast after the catch.
Yes, he missed the Giants game in ‘08. And Ben had a miserable afternoon, going 13 for 29 with four picks. I’ll give Tomlin credit though, for sitting him, basically telling him to go home and stay there. The coach was criticized in some circles, as many thought this decision cost the Steelers the game, but Holmes came back huge for the rest of the season and playoffs.
Interestingly, per your comment, when El signed with the Steelers, he talked of being the #3 man. He’ll likely be just that, and yes, perhaps he’ll do better in that spot than as the starter in ‘05. However, Steelers run out of 3-wides about 2/3 of the time, so he’s in essence, a starter.
Remember though
it took a perfect pass on 4th down from Eli Manning to win that game. Even without Sandoobio, and with BB having a terrible game, we still had ‘em right where we wanted ’em. Our D dominated that game, and I sure wanted that rematch in the Super Bowl. We held their so called bad ass running game down, too. Not one of those guys broke 100, after they had seriously just torn the league apart til then. We didn’t need Bluntonio, we needed Ben to stop trying to make a huge play on every down. We were the better team, flat out. Where was Hines that day? Heath? Sansmokio wasn’t our only threat then, and he sure wasn’t now. We won’t miss him (except maybe against the Ravens, who Jointrollio owns……)that much.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I do believe Washington's sorry ass had a huge game that day.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright, after looking at the boxscore, he only had one catch.
But, it was for 65 yards and a touchdown. Santonio couldn’t have averaged more than 65yds a game and a TD a game for the Steelers, could he? Not even a TD.
So, what I’m saying is, we could have won that game – and many games this year – without SanStonio Bowls.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Stats...
The only measure is not what Santonio’s sub did that game, but rather the effect that his absence has on the passing game in total. Also, keep in mind that in ‘08, Steelers ran 3 wides on nearly 2/3 of all offensive snaps, so the guy that saw the field as a result of Santonio’s absence was Limas Sweed. Sweed caught 3 balls for 28 yards; Hines Ward had 3 catches for 30 yards….not a stellar performance by either. More importantly, Steeler offense put 14 points on the board that day.
Fast forward to the crucial games of the ‘08 regular season (San Diego, New England, Dallas, at Baltimore) as well as all three playoff games to look at the effect of Santonio on the Steelers offense. It’s not going too far to say SB XLIII may not have turned out the same way were it not for Santonio Holmes.
can't argue with that
well put
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by SundaysWithTroy on Jun 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
OK so, no pressure on the QB right?
Byron Leftwich, QB, Pittsburgh — Granted, it’s a temporary position, but it could last six games, and unless he delivers, the Steelers’ season could be over before suspended quarterback Ben Roethlisberger returns. Leftwich has started five games in the last three years and has been sacked 11 times, while attempting only 201 passes — a poor ratio.
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Actually, that is pretty good.
11 sacks in 201 drop backs is a 5.5% sack rate. The average sack rate of the league last year was 5.9%, and Ben’s was 9.0 (team 8.4). And keep in mind that the majority of those sacks, 6 to be exact, came when he was playing behind that awful pass blocking line in Atlanta. He was only sacked 2 times in 107 attempts in Atlanta, 1.8%.
I wouldn’t be too worried.
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by John Stephens on Jun 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, out Offense isn't exactly great when it comes to protecting the QB
Then again, Ben scrambles an awful lot.
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It will be interesting to see how many times Lefty gets sacked...
It should technically solve the great dispute over Ben’s style of play vs. bad OL causing the sack problem.
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by John Stephens on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
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Ok. So i loved the article, and the great facts and points made , and optimism of the Author. Being that i feel we could have won last years super bowl.(Dont get me started) This year is ours for sooo many reasons. 1st off- i love that Troy P. is healthy again! No more taking advantage of Taylor, and clark(raiders & others). The fear will be back for the QB’s and WR’s. They will think twice about putting the ball in the air. Even though Ben will be out 4 weeks- (being he WILL do what is necessary to make that happen) Dixon and Byron should hold us down for the time being. I feel Dixons speed should be WAY more utilized, and Byron’s Accuracy needs work- But overall will be great. Foote, Timmons, Farrior, Harrison, Will be a force to recon with. Our new O-Line boys will definately strengthen front, for running and our deep threats. We will win this Superbowl. Yes the AFC- will be the toughest this year- (Baltimore, and Jets), but with our experience- And the BIG OL CHIP on our shoulders. Its time to start crackin heads. (ie. forget his name, but the rookie we “knocked out” end of last year) should be the theme. When the team is all on the same page, people are healthy, and no selfish drama going on (and we are focused)- we cannot, and will not be stopped. We will be in 7th heaven this year, and set ourselves apart from the rest of the teams. Any Question or negative point made about the team will have a great over-powering answer ,so i dare anyone to try-but first ask yourself- "How many rings do you have? Oh thats right! “THE” STEELER FAN has spoken. "how do i become- the motivational speaker for the team- I promise we wont lose- if i am. Trust me! I will put them all on blast- to their face!

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