Pre-Season, Pre-Training Camp Roster Pre-View: Linebackers
If you're going to take a look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, any year, let alone 2010, it's pretty easy to figure out where to start. Blitzburgh lives and dies with one position... Linebackers. At first glance we've got 14 on the roster right now. At second glance, I thought about starting with another position, fourteen is a lot, but at third glance I talked myself into it. So we'll start with the guys projected to start.
James Farrior
6'2"/ 243 lbs./ ILB
Farrior, a 14 year pro (8 year Steeler) was the eighth overall selection in 1997. At 35, he remains an unquestioned locker room leader, and the on field general for Dick LeBeau. It is fairly safe to say he is nearing the end of his run in the NFL, but what a run it was. Despite what I would assume was a disappointing start with the Jets, he has only missed four games in Black and Gold, and his time here will always be fondly remembered by fans, undoubtedly. He is expected to be one of three men in our projected trio of inside backers. It will be interesting to see how much time Farrior sees on the field this year. I expect it to still be a fair amount in base 3-4, but given what looked to be a lost step last year, in passing downs, we may see some speedier options.
Strengths: Leadership, sound all around and consistent play
Weaknesses: Speed is in question due to age
Roster Shot: 99.9%
Lawrence Timmons
6'1"/ 234 lbs./ ILB
Timmons was the first ever draft selection of the Tomlin era, 15th overall in 2007. After a redshirt rookie year, Timmons got an increased workload in his second year, and was impressive, despite only "starting" twice. His third year, despite being set back by injury, showed even more promise, improving in every statistical category and displaying elite athleticism and speed for a linebacker. The best part is, after three seasons of experience in the NFL, he is still only 24. The best is yet to come from our LT, which in hindsight, is a nickname I may now never use again for him.
Strengths: Speed, coverage, athleticism, versatility
Weaknesses: Still not a sure tackler, occasional over pursuit of ball carrier
Roster Shot: 99.9%
Larry Foote
6'1"/ 239 lbs./ ILB
Before I even start with Larry, anybody remember this ^ up here ^ happening? I don't, but maybe I should. I Google imaged "Larry Foote camp" and here's what I got, I had other options to go with, but... Who is that Larry has a death grip on? What did that guy say to make him do that? Who's that guy in the back round who couldn't seem less concerned? But I digress, 11 more linebackers to go, focus... focus...
He's ba - ack! A year ago, we were wishing Larry luck in Detroit, as he returned home after a release brought on by the up and coming Lawrence Timmons. Now, he returns, like a welcomed winter after a hot, hot summer. He returns to the defense he helped to two Superbowl victories, and possibly returns to step into the shoes of long time running mate James Farrior in the near future. After a year on a new squad, in a new defense for the first time since 2002, and in a new scheme to boot, Foote will have an impact on this team both in his play and through emotion. I'd be hard pressed to find a fan not excited at the promise of that first Foote Stomp back in Black and Gold. He's a solid linebacker, which is clearly why he's here again, but his role as the emotional leader may not have been fully quantified prior to his departure last season.
Strengths: Leader, solid play, knowledge of system
Weaknesses: Not a great athlete, not great speed
Roster Shot: 99.9%
James Harrison
6'0"/ 242 lbs./ Bad, Bad Man
Even practice jerseys and pads don't tell James Harrison what to do. It's hard to imagine what Bill Cowher was thinking not playing this guy for those years. I like Clark Hagans and all, but jeez (Think Peezy and Deebo, then stop, quick, you'll give the people around you nightmares, never mind what might happen to you). Thirty four sacks in his three seasons as a starter, 19 forced fumbles, one long TD return with no time on the clock. That's what you get from Harrison. Nonstop effort, combined with brute force, equaling pain for offensive players. James (can I call you James?) is however 32, and regardless of however much less wear and tear he may have received in the past as compared to most 32 year old linebackers, Mother Nature eventually catches up to everyone. Harrison is for now, still a defensive nightmare for tackles, quarterbacks, and the occasional halfback left out to dry.
Strengths: Constant pressure, knack for making big plays at big times, reliable tough veteran
Weaknesses: A clear lack of an offensive holding penalty
Roster Shot: 99.9%
LaMarr Woodley
6'2"/ 265 lbs/ OLB
LaMarr Woodley. How good is this guy, I mean really? The second selection in Tomlin's first draft is the constant pressure quarterbacks feel from the other side of the field. His bull rush is second to none, and I will never be told otherwise. I like to think I have seen them all going today, but no one puts more pain into the lower backs of tackles like LaMarr. His 29 regular season sacks in three seasons, really only two playing legit downs, are an impressive total. His terrorizing of quarterbacks come playoff time is really uncanny, and his sack(s) of Kurt Warner sealed the Superbowl for us on that last drive by the Cardinals. He is 25, and will turn 26 during the regular season in the week leading up to a Monday showdown versus the Bengals. Entering his physical prime, a pretty good guy off the field (with the exception of a passion for MMA... save it MMA fan. I don't care how cool you think it is) and increasing his sack total each year in the NFL, what can you say to dampen the spirit of Steeler Nation when talking about Wood? One word... contract. Get it done Front Office, get it done.
Strengths: Well... strength, bull rush, motor, intensity
Weaknesses: Coverage still suspect, uncertain future
Roster Shot: 99.9%
So there are the starters. Yes, there are five on my list, and we only start four. You know why out there, you know why.
But, with either age or contract future seemingly a concern across the board, what will Steelers fans turn to, for comfort sake, with eyes on the future? Johnny, pop on those shades, it's looking bright.
Jason Worilds
6'2"/ 262 lbs./ OLB
With both outside linebacker spots all but locked up, the Steelers did what the Steelers do. They took a projected OLB well before anyone expected them too, in the second round, 52nd overall. The former Hokie defensive end had a solid, and at times spectacular career in Blacksburg. He displays a great motor, fighting through the more than occasional double team, good quickness off the snap, and varies up his pass rush moves well, showing good hand use and placement. He will be a project though, in many ways. He rarely was required to drop into coverage in college, and despite showing real grit and toughness (I've watched him beat multiple double teams while wearing a sling on his shoulder), his shoulder injury may lead to some concern about durability. Here are some Youtube clips for your viewing pleasure (against some top tier talent, his pro day workout, and a quick look at an athletic play in coverage despite not making the pick). His impact early on will be seen on special teams, as Coach Beemer preaches special teams and playmaking to all his players. I expect to see some quality coverage plays out of Jason as he fine tunes his skills defensively.
Strengths: Tough, good motor, good pass rush skills
Weaknesses: Skills need refining, coverage skills need improving, some injury concern, awareness
Roster Shot: 95% This guy will make the squad, but it will be interesting to see how much he plays.
Thaddeus Gibson
6'2"/ 243 lbs./ OLB
A strong (32 reps of 225) athletic collegiate defensive end, Thaddeus Gibson came to the Steelers in the fourth round of this past draft. Even at end, Gibson showed the skills of a linebacker, which really isn't uncommon in The Ohio State University's defensive scheme. His speed from sideline to sideline was on display, as well as his burst off the snap. His athleticism should allow him to be a better cover guy than he was able to show at OSU, but that will come with time. Despite great upper body bulk, he could add some leg strength to his frame, and could use some refining of pass rush technique. But like Worilds, Gibson is believed to be able to contribute on special teams right away. He seems coachable, well spoken, and can make plays.
Strengths: Strength, speed, potential
Weaknesses: Needs to sure up his first few steps (wasted steps), could use hands better, technique refinement
Roster Shot: 75% If he shows special teams ability, he should make the squad in my opinion
Stevenson Sylvester
6'2"/ 231 lbs./ ILB
Our third selection in the fifth round and our third linebacker drafted this past year, Stevenson Sylvester wins the name alliteration battle. By all accounts, Sylvester is a sure tackler, who finds his way to the ball more often than not. He reminds me of a Lawrence Timmons type, who covers well, goes non stop, and shows great range. He also reminds me of Timmons (early on) in the sense he is not the greatest player in a crowd, and can be taken out of plays once a blocker gets on him. Admittedly I saw very little of Stevenson, as Utah is not normally a nationally televised program, and I am very interested to see him play. Coach Tomlin was very excited about this pick, which leads me to believe there has to be something to be excited about. If our scheme requires our outside guys to blitz, our inside guys must be able cover. It's possible that Timmons and Sylvester can hold that down for some time. Here are a few clips of Stevenson doing his thing (Cheesy music, nice pick via tip, Butkus Award Finalist).
Strengths: Sure tackler, good coverage
Weaknesses: Could add some bulk, needs to improve his play in a crowd
Roster Shot: 50% It is possible he could make the roster, but I'm thinking practice squad. Withour depth at ILB, it's going to be tough for Stevenson to beat out the vets and dress on game days.
This looks like a good crop of young talent for our coaches to work with, but that doesn't mean we don't have some more experienced talent already on the roster, hungry for their chance to prove their worth to our coaches, fans and front office.
Keyaron Fox
6'3"/ 235 lbs./ ILB
Keyaron came to us after four years spent as a back up in Kansas City, where he only started four games. As far as back ups go, Keyaron has proven to be worth holding on to. His interception and subsequent return touchdown turned out to be the difference in a win over a very tough Minnesota team last year. Filling in for an injured Lawrence Timmons, he piled up 10 tackles against Tennessee, and came back with five more the following week in a heart breaker versus Chicago. I was admittedly not a fan at first, as I was really pulling for Rey Maualuga at 32nd overall the year before, but he won me over. Much like SteelerGirl, I now find him dreamy, but not that dreamy. He is entering the last year of the two year deal he signed in '09, and depending on what he is looking for pay wise, and if a young gun can step up, he may be looking for work next year. But, for this season, he appears to be the front runner for the fourth inside backer, barring the unforeseen.
Strengths: He's a gamer, and is willing to be the next guy in line, always ready to step in when needed, can be a hard hitter, and a sure tackler.
Weaknesses: Despite showing enough skill to spot start, he has never shown enough to be a starter. Perhaps that's due to players in front of him, and I shouldn't hold it against him. But it is, what it is.
Roster Shot: 85% He seems like a lock, but you just never know what kind of showing a younger player might have.
Andre Frazier
6'5"/ 245 lbs./ OLB
Andre has been in the NFL for, going on 6 years now, bouncing between the Steelers (4 seasons) and his hometown team, the Bengals. He has never really played much for either team, in any role beyond special teams. He has good size for an OLB, but given his lack of true defensive play, it is hard to gauge much else. Unfortunately for me, my strongest memory of Andre is him being carted off the field after the opening kick off of a Monday night battle between Pittsburgh and Baltimore, just moments after Ray Lewis said in a pregame sideline pep talk "We're gonna go out there and kill somebody". Coincidence aside, it was a scary moment for both teams, although Andre was able to bounce back, missing minimal time.
No disrespect to Andre, I'm going to skip strengths and weaknesses in his case. I know so little about him, it wouldn't be fair to guess. Perhaps the fact that so little is known is a weakness unto itself.
Roster Shot: 40% With our youth at his position, and the fact that what kept him around was special teams play (and we all know how that was last year, not blaming him, but he never stood out either) he will have a difficult time holding down a roster spot. 40% may be generous.
Renauld Williams
6'0"/ 228 lbs./ LB
Renauld may be a camp body, or maybe not. Another man I know little about, I have found out that he was a Penn State recruit, who was injured late in High School, causing him to enroll at New Hampshire. After two seasons of little play, he tranferred to Hofstra, alma mater of the great Willie Colon. After short stints with Miami and San Fransisco, he has played the past three seasons with the Saskatchewan Rough Riders of the Canadian Football League. What would propel Williams to the active roster would be his special teams play. Labeled a special teams ace, Williams is undersized for a linebacker in our system. But with the play of our special teams last season, if a rookie doesn't step up, he may become the linebacker version of Anthony Madison. Here are a few clips from his days on Long Island and north of the border (1; 2).
Strengths: Special teams play
Weaknesses: Size
Roster Shot: 10% Things would really have to fall into place for Renauld to make this team. I'll never rule it out, but it's going to be a long shot.
Patrick Bailey
6'4"/ 235 lbs./ OLB
Pat Bailey just strikes me as an interesting guy. I remember reading about his entrepreneurial apprenticeships back in his rookie year, now he's working on a pilot's license. Our rookie of the year two seasons ago due to his special teams play, Bailey has done fairly well for an undrafted free agent out of football powerhouse Duke. His special teams play may have dropped a bit last year, along with everyone elses, but he has shown the ability to make an impact without playing regular downs defensively. For our special teams to get back to where they should be, Bailey will have to get back to where he was just two short years ago.
Strengths: Smarts, special teams prowess, ideal size for a linebacker in a 3-4
Weaknesses: Doesn't strike me as a true gritty player, but his play on ST may prove me wrong, needs to improve all around skills as linebacker, whether it be inside or outside.
Roster Shot: 65% With the influx of youth around him, he will really have to prove why he was rookie of the year for us. We have some young guys who seem capable to handle special teams duties, which is his area of expertise.
Johnny Williams
6'2"/ 246 lbs./ LB
Possessing perfect size for a linebacker, Johnny Williams joined the Steelers Practice Squad late last year as a free agent after one year with Jacksonville. According to scouting reports, he is a good linebacker when the play is in front of him, but struggles with hip fluidity and coverage. He played some defensive end at Kentucky, so there is a possibility of seeing him at OLB and ILB in our system. For now, it is safe to assume he will find his way back to our practice squad, unless he really impresses our coaches. He's got an impressive highlight film, and video of him taking out former Alabama standout, current Bengal, Andre Smith.
Roster Shot: 10%, but elgible for the practice squad.
Lindsey Witten
6'4"/ 250 lbs./ OLB
The brother of Bills safety Donte Whitner, Lindsey has good size, and good athleticism for a man his size. As a defensive end at UConn, Witten totaled 11.5 sacks as a senior, and 22 for his career, despite limited starts. His pass rush skills are there, but he is a project in all other areas. His coverage needs work, and he isn't as strong against the run as he is against the pass. He will most likely be a practice squad guy, if he sticks with this team at all. Here are a few clips of Lindsey making plays and working out with others at the UConn Pro Day.
Roster Shot: 5%, but practice squad elgible.
So there you have it, the 2010 Pittsburgh Steelers linebacking options. Once we get into camp itself, we will definitely know more about the lesser known guys, but for know, at least we know their names.
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Good Read
Article seems to have it about as close as possible at this stage. Gibson I think will be a project. He is going to be a slow developer in learning defensive schemes like Timmons was at ILB. If his heart is in it could eventually turn out a lot like Harrison.
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Seven are locks, and I think they usually keep nine.
Farrior, Timmons, Foote, Fox (4)
Harrison, Woodley, Worlids (3)
Are the seven, with Timmons as the 3rd or 4th OLB depending on Worlids’ progress in camp.
Gibson, Fraiser
Fraiser never plays and has fallen behind Worlids on the OLB list so if Gibson is close, with potential, and solid on special teams, he’s the guy.
Bailey, Sylvester
Sylvester only has to be better than Bailey to be the 5th ILB, Sylvester is PS this year and if he progress’s active next.
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I'm all for drafting Gregg Llyod's kid next year
James Harisson is a scary scary man
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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Great post
Is nice to have all this information of the Linebackers. Quick and easy to understand the current status and potential of each player. It would be great to have this information for other positions.
Our rookie LB's got ripped
In a STEEL CITY INSIDER article by Mike Parista where he gets input from some NFL Scouts. Worilds was “soft”, Gibson “cant’ play the run” and Sylvester is “free-agent grade”. They did like the Pouncey and Sanders picks though.
Lets hope the rooks start proving them wrong come training camp.
by SteelerMessican on Jul 8, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
How can
A LB go through all of college with a 2nd ground grade and be considered soft? That doesn’t make sense to me.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
And I have a hard time believing the Steelers scouts are idiots. Especially on 2nd round outside linebackers being converted from DEs. I believe there may be recent history that shows they have some aptitude for it.
by Chicago Steeler on Jul 9, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Worilds guy...
But that is the same label they slapped on Bruce Davis, who came into the league as a DE convert as well.
In my opinion, what that is is tentativeness as he learns a new role. Bruce Davis never got past it, we’ll see what Worilds does.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 9, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats exactly right
The scouts were quoted as comparing him to Bruce Davis. God I hope they’re wrong.
by SteelerMessican on Jul 9, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't that the knock on Bobby Carpenter
and the Cowboys took him in the first round
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 9, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
inb4 Arn: "you can say that again"
=P
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
dang it! I missed that one!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
wasn't that the knock on Bobby Carpenter
and the Cowboys took him in the first round
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today." Lou Holtz
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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
damn double post
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today." Lou Holtz
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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 9, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
d'oh!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jul 9, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
great post
enjoyed reading it a lot, helps me get to a slow day at work and a slow month of football :)
Thanks all...
I plan on kicking a bunch of these out, and hopefully I can update them post camp once we know more.
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-Kurt Vonnegut
Thanks
Enjoyed having all the info in one place. looking forward to future updates on other positions
Things can always be worse....
There's a book for that
I think it was written in India
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
+1
thats the one with Babar the Elephant right??? lol…j/k!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jul 9, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
awful movie
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
true..wasn't Jessica Alba in it
seems i remember some hot chick starring in it
Things can always be worse....
yeah Jessica Alba was in it...
so was Justin Timberlake and yes that movie sucked!!!
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jul 12, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It says something about horses in it
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
riding brokeback!!!
lol
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jul 13, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Sylvester
wouldn’t dare be shooting an arrow…would he?
"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.
A tribute, I can only assume
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by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
nice breakdown…I freaking love football. LB’s are my favorite cause they knock the poop out of people. I think 99.9% chance of making the team is a little low for a few of these guys, but I gotcha. I’m interested to see how the ILB battle plays out. Our 2-5 and 1-6 sets are going to be sick this year.
"I sweat at the sound of hearing the names of Harrison and Woodley."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Jul 9, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
99.9% is probably because if you'd asked me in january, what's the chance of Santonio playing somewhere else in 2010
I’d havev said 0%.
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long
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jul 9, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Read NY
I’m hoping Worilds and Sylvester make the team. Sylv looks kinda small. Tweener
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Great post
I realize Johnny Williams is the longest of long shots to make the team, but it’s enjoyable watching him tackle people in his highlight tape.
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Really enjoyed this post
Thank you for all that went into it.
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Sizes
Nice, fullsome portrait of our LB corps. I was surprised to read that Timmons is only 6’1. I was even more surprised to read that the OLBs are almost all heavier than the ILBs. Is that a function of the Lebeau system (with at least one, if not two OLBs, rushing the passer really as DEs), or just happenstance?
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by Flying Polamalus on Jul 12, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions
No, you are correct
ILBs generally drop into pass coverage more regularly and have to shoot gaps more quickly. Generally, they are a bit lighter as a result.
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by chewiesteeler on Jul 12, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Heights are generally accurate, weights not so much...
For a few reasons.
3-4 OLB’s tend to be larger across the board, not just in Da Burgh. And as Chewie already said, it is due to different duties of each position.
Rush the passer, battle tackles= Larger body
Coverage, gap control = Quicker Player
Of course, when talking ILB’s you have a mack and a buck, each responsible for different roles as well. The buck tends to be slightly larger, and stronger, while the mack tends to be the better athlete, as highlighted here.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
That must be the explanation (i.e. varying weights), because I must have remembered the excellent Michael Bean article you refer to, which clearly outlined responsibilities in the Lebeau-Capers systems, without necessarily referring to weight. Also, doesn’t one of the older ILBs tend to have trouble maintain weight over the grind of a season?
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by Flying Polamalus on Jul 13, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Farrior lost some weight...
Over the course of the season two years ago (at one point I think I read he was around 220), and came in to camp last year heavier in an attempt to compensate. It is possible that that was partly the reason for his perceived lost step. We will see. I expect him trimmer this year, because he knows if he is going to find a niche defensively, as it seems he may have to do, it will be on passing downs, and longer second downs, because Foote isn’t the best guy in coverage.
But, with a year in the 4-3 and the responsibilities that come with the Mike position, Foote may have surpassed Farrior in that department too. Another we will see.
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-Kurt Vonnegut
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 13, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice Post...Farrior 99% ?
He’ll likely make club for all the reasons you stated…but he is the oldest, and one of the slowest linebackers on the roster…which does make him overpaid. Not sure how much 2010 salary he is due, or what the new CBA will bring, but PS may need to cut him this uncapped season to avoid 2011 cap hit?
If the defensive alignment is to let Foote ram his head into the line on running downs, and Farrior is a passing down liability as he can’t stay with RB’s anymore, when does he play?
Leadership, experience, and the fact that the chance that some 5th rounder like Sylvester would be just two injuries away from the filed all point to Farrior making the club… but the chance that he won’t is there…maybe 10-25%?
I’d like Foote and Timmons in the base, Timmons and an extra safety instead of 2 MLB on passing downs. Fox backs up either spot and Farrior is inactive.
by steelerwheeler on Jul 12, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
As far as Farrior's contract...
He was re-upped in 2008 to a five year deal. Most of that money was up front, coming in the first three years. Which means, if I am understanding correctly, that this is most likely the largest year of the contract. After this his cap number becomes more manageable, but without exact numbers, I don’t really know for sure how manageable.
I am very interested to see what precentage of downs, and to that which downs and situations, Farrior plays this year. I’m of the opinion we see a smaller, less bulky (and in turn quicker) Farrior this year. I really don’t see a scenario where Farrior is let go, not even a 10% chance, and I see no way he is ever innactive, unless he is hurt.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 12, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Farriors salary
Farriors base salary in 2010 is $ 2,979,680, My opinion is this should be his last year.
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by steeler junky on Jul 12, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know what his next two seasons break down as?
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 13, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
No
I just took that figure off Yahoo sports NFL Steelers roster. I didn’t dig down into the reast. … Sorry
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by steeler junky on Jul 14, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
A Trimmer/Faster Farrior
would be nice. Dude knows how to play football, just hope he can get there in time this year.
I’m anxious to read the reports/opinions from camp next month.
I’m also very curious about the LB spot on game day. If Foote and Timmons start, along with a couple of serviceable OLB :), Fox and Baily or Frazier would also be active that’s six. The numbers might work out that Farrior dresses to play in some packages or Worilds dresses to play ST, maybe get a few downs under his belt in mop up duty. Of course that all depends on health and ability of all the LB mentioned as well as several other spots that may or may not command an extra active player. $3M for a few down backup or inactive player is steep.
by steelerwheeler on Jul 13, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Frazier's chances personally...
I see Worilds and possibly Gibson making it over Andre, but that remains to be seen. I think Farrior will play more than a back up role, but that also remains to be seen. It’s going to be an interesting storyline, to see how much and when we fit these guys in.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 13, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
B/U OLB?
Fox?
Worilds or Gibson can’t be asked to play defense this season?
by steelerwheeler on Jul 13, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true...
Didn’t think of that. Perhaps Timmons can play the back up role with Foote back in the mix at ILB. It’s not like Frazier ever really played anything more than special teams, and if he did, I missed it.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 13, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Some Steelers linebacker lovin'...
With LaMarr Woodley and James Harrison, the Steelers have the best combination of accomplished pass rushers among 3-4 defenses in the NFL. In fact, it’s not real close. The only team that could close the gap anytime soon is Dallas if Anthony Spencer improves. When you add in inside linebackers James Farrior and Lawrence Timmons (seven sacks last season), you have the best overall linebacking corps in the league by a pretty good margin. Dallas is really good, but the Steelers are special.
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Yeah I saw that
When I opened it I was thinking, “if they put Dallas ahead of us because of Ware I am going to be pissed”. Glad he got it right.
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by John Stephens on Jul 13, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Defensive linemen are next up...
Wanted to have it done for today, but my weekend was busy. Soon fellow mebers of Steeler Nation, it will be up soon.
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jerk
Now what am I going to read tonight?
by Chicago Steeler on Jul 12, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
this crappy book on being a good manager. Damn work assignments.
by Chicago Steeler on Jul 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw work...
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 12, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot one glaring weakness for Deebo
his snapping is horrible, and that is very important for a LB.
also, I believe Cowher was reluctant to play Deebo because he had trouble learning the playbook, I think.
LB nicknames
Can some wise BTSC poster fill me/us in on all the LB nicknames and where they came from? BTW, I’ve noticed that nothing stuck for Mendenhall except “Mendy”. That’s gotta go. A team with Jamie, Mendy, Benji just doesn’t strike fear into an opposing poster. We need stuff like Wood, BB, Shard, or just “The Hines Rule” what is Deebo?
Deebo:

I’m terrible with nicknames, but for Rashard, I liked Rush-hard Spin-them-all, but it’s too long.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 13, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
"My mamma gave me that chain!!!"
lol!!!
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by Webslasher81 on Jul 13, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
"He gonna cry in the car."
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by Steel Spike on Jul 13, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"In Hoc Signo Vinces (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!!!") -Constantine I
by Webslasher81 on Jul 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm fairly new here, but...
I remember it being said that Timmons might actually be playing out of position, and that he would be better suited for Farrior’s role in the defense. With Foote back, any chance that’s a possibility? We’d have Timmons and Farrior to man the buck? and Foote and Fox to man the mack? (sorry, i forget which side does what).
Ha, no worries, I think we all forget the differences sometimes...
There are two distinctly different ILB positions, the SILB and WILB, strong and weak. In Dom’s system the SILB is named the buck, the WILB is named the mack. Unlike the OLB’s, the ILB’s do change sides based on which side the TE is on, with good reason. Usually if there is an uncovered gap or extra blocker, it is on the strong side. When looking at number counts, especially when a FB is involved, there are almost always as many blockers on the strong side as there are defenders. The buck and mack have very different skill sets as it relates to the run.
The buck is a banger. Remember one of the initial premises I made, a back with no blockers isn’t going very far. The buck eliminates the blockers. If there is a G coming through, mix it up with the G and try to keep him in the gap. If the FB is coming through, stop him in his tracks. The last thing you want the buck doing is shedding the blocks, unless the RB is past or nearly past him. If he sheds the blocks early and fails to tackle the back, he made matters worse, now these blockers are in the secondary, the plus one has a blocker coming his way. Not good. The buck is supposed to engage blockers, not run around them.
If the buck has to take care of an offensive lineman, the best you can hope for is that he holds him up in the gap and doesn’t get blown backward or thrown to the ground. Likewise he should hit the FB back and maintain control of the gap. The buck is essentially a small mobile defensive lineman, as it relates to the run, he almost always is part of the gap control scheme and has a gap assigned to him. He did his job if the back has to look elsewhere for an opening and if there are no blockers out in front of him.
The mack is the playmaker. He often has no gap assigned to him. He is to seek and destroy the guy with the ball. If the rest of the front did their jobs, he should be free of blockers. If not, he should shed any block immediately or go around them in pursuit of the ball. The mack is the star of the defense. He should always be around the ball. If he is blocked, the secondary has to make the play. (link)
And yes, you’re right. Timmons athleticism gives him an advantage in the mack department. I don’t know how they’ll work the rotation, but it will be fun to see linebackers with fresh legs throughout the game. Welcome, by the way.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

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