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It was nice to get football back on last weekend, but it did not feel completely official until I saw the Black and Gold take the field Saturday night.  Something about seeing Tomlin walk up and down the sidelines with a stern look on his face, watching LeBeau feverishly scribble on a dry erase board, and all of the other tell-tale signs of Pittsburgh Steelers football that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  Unfortunately, I was unable to catch the game last night and participate in the game thread because of the always awful TV contracts.  Thankfully, however, NFL network was kind enough to put the replay on early this morning.  So I sat down with a bowl of Froot Loops, a note pad, and rewindable DVR to jot down my notes on the game.

Thanks to 50 for getting up his notes on the game.  Seen here.

Star-divide

I will first start off with the players that stood out to me most and then follow that up with some quick slants from my notes.

Flozell Adams

I was rather disappointed with the Hotel's play last night.  I understand that he is making the shift from the left side of the line, but he seemed a bit sluggish last night.  I am hopeful that he still does not have his footwork down mentally and that we will see large strides in the next month.  Anyway, Adams got beat outright with a speed blitz off the edge on one snap.  Additionally, on another snap he got beat inside by a spin move, but luckily the throw was out early.  On the bright side, Adams looked very powerful when he did get on his blocks and had a great push in a few running plays I saw him in.

Byron Leftwich

I am not on the "Start Dixon or we are going to go 0-4" team, but I was not pleased with Lefty's play last night.  First and foremost, tuck your dang jersey in.  You look like a bum out there like that.  Moving on, remember when we thought Lefty's cannon could not possibly under-throw Wallace, well he did.  Wallace had about 2 steps on his CB and was past the safety, but Lefty under-threw him on a play that shoulda been a sure TD.  Lefty did have a few good connections, but nothing to write home about.  Lastly, his mobility has to be a huge concern if the line is going to play as shaky as it did last night.

Dennis Dixon

Dixon played good, not great, but good.  He appears to be able to make a play with his feet at any moment during a game.  That could clearly be seen with the several first down scampers he had.  Unfortunately, I believe that Dixon's decision making is not top notch.  It seemed on a few plays he took off well before the pocket broke down and may have missed a few open WRs that could have added 10 more yards to the gain.  Dixon did have two great connections with Arnaz Battle for 51 yards and Antonio Brown for a 68 yard TD.  It is a bit disconcerting that 116 of his 128 yards came on two passes alone.  All in all, Dixon's performance last night demanded the attention of the coaches.

Rashard Mendenhall

Rashard did his thing.  He still spins away from contact instead of lowering his pads and delivering a hit like I want him to.  Also, it depresses me how careless he remains with the ball.  On his fumble he was running outside and holding the ball out there for anyone to punch out.  That fumble pretty much thwarted the drive.  I need to see a better effort from Mendenhall next game.

Isaac Redman

If the roster cuts were tomorrow and we had just last night to make our decision Issac Redman would make the 53 man roster easily.  Redman did it all last night; he ran hard, caught a couple passes, looked tremendous in blitz pick up, threw some great blocks, got yards after contact, etc.  Last year, one of the biggest reasons he got cut, was his lack of conditioning.  Those concerns seem to be a figment of the past.  There was one series where Redman touched the ball on 7 of 11 snaps.  As of now, I think the coaches would have a hard time making a case to cut Mr. BTSC HoF.

Keenan Lewis

Besides Flozell, Keenan was my biggest player of interest prior to the game.  I would have to say that I am very pleased with his performance.  Lewis broke up a TD pass to Calvin Johnson only to be "beat" a few players later for a touchdown.  I thought Johnson pushed off, but it is water under the bridge at this point.  I thought Lewis made several great tackles in the open field, which reminded me of the early days of Bryant McFadden's knack for that type of play. 

Antonio Brown

This kid is FAST!  He showcased his speed on a great catch and run that resulted in a 68 yard touchdown.  He also, had a nice end-around for 8 yards.  I am pretty excited about both of the rookie WRs we have this year.

 

Quick Slants

  • Frank Summers started at FB and had a nice short catch for a 1st down.  I did see him miss a block pretty badly on one run.
  • No Ben.  No Ward. =(
  • Daniel Sepulveda destroyed every punt he got off.  Why did we not get to see him do any kickoffs?
  • Aaron Smith is back and making plays.  You cannot tell he missed the majority of last season.
  • Mewelde Moore had an absolutely monster block on a designed Dixon run to the outside.
  • Lawrence Timmons looked fantastic in limited time.  I saw him diagnosis plays like a savvy veteran and make a great stop on a run and also force a bad pass for the interception with his blitz.  It is time for him to break out.
  • James Harrison made a big offensive lineman look like a puppy in the way of a train.
  • Potsie (James Farrior) looked very good in a coverage play.  It seemed, at least for last night, that he had found that step he "lost" last year.
  • Anthony Madison was making plays all over the field.  It kind of reminded me of what Troy does.  He made ST tackles and several good open field tackles as a DB.
  • Joe Burnett appeared to be coming along quite nicely.  He made some nice plays, specifically the TD he broke up.
  • Jeff Reed's kick offs got shorter and shorter as the night went on, but his leg was reliable as ever as he went 3/3.
  • Tyler Grisham did not look like a poor man's Wes Welker last night.  He did beat a DB on one play only to be under thrown, but he also made a pretty bad read on a designed screen for him.  He could have gotten 8+ yards but only ended up with 4.
  • Larry Foote got his ankles broken on one play and missed a tackle.
  • The Febreeze Sport commercials with Dhani Jones were hilarious.
  • I was rather unimpressed with Dwyer.  However, he has gotten limited camp snaps because of his injury.

The Steelers now have a full week to work on everything we saw last night.  Our next game is on Saturday the 21st against the Giants of New York.

Poll
Which Steeler were you most impressed with?
Dennis Dixon
435 votes
Issac Redman
449 votes
Antonio Brown
262 votes
Byron Leftwich
2 votes
Jeff Reed
4 votes
Daniel Sepulveda
16 votes
Maurkice Pouncey
104 votes
Keenan Lewis
32 votes
Arnaz Battle
9 votes
Joe Burnett
6 votes
Thaddeus Gibson
9 votes
Stevenson Sylvester
53 votes
Anthony Madison
9 votes
Other
28 votes

1418 votes | Poll has closed

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very impressed with lewis last night

that breakup on calvin johnson’s fade route was beautiful. i didnt really notice a pushoff on the actual touchdown, but like you said it didnt really matter. i challenge any second year corner to go up against calvin and play as well as he did.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 15, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Concur

wasnt it GREAT to watch the black and Gold again!!?
Whos 47? seemed like he was active, Gibson? Sylvester?

by Steelchamps !! on Aug 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

sylvester

i was also impressed with him he was very active. but i saw he missed a tackle or two as well so he has a ways to go still

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 15, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still not bad for a rook

If he keeps developing, he will be a keeper.

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis wasnt guarding

Calvin on the TD, it was will allen

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 15, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was Lewis

Johnson got away with a little push-off on it as well. Tough play to defend either way.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 15, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I think CJ would have been a handful for Ike so no shame for Lewis on that play.

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 15, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was most impressed with Antionio Brown last night

he can FLY, I think we have a third WR in the mold of Anchorman on our hands. I was also impressed by Redman just stoning a free rusher on a blitz last night allowing Dixon to complete a pass.

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

nice writeup, can't wait to watch the game

I’ve been reading on several sites now how Madison has looked good as a corner in camp and now this game. I would love to keep him on the roster and to actually know that he can step in in an emergency at his position. He is great as a ST gunner, but I enjoy guys not only kept for their ST play. If this was not just a one-game-fluke, we might just have a luxury problem at CB… who would have thought.

Also, I feel bad for that puppy.

by Simonsen on Aug 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Tony Hills had a solid game, ...

…played better than Max Starks at left OT. Of course he played against second and third stringers. Kyle Vanden Bosch made a pass rushing spin move on Starks that made him look silly. Vanden Bosch also beat Chris Kemoeatu. As Johnny_S points out, Flozell Adams’ play was somewhat disappointing as well. I am not as confident with the Steelers O-Line as most.

Thanks for the great article Johnny_S

by UnclecoolD on Aug 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Young guys I thought impressed:

1. Sylvester was all over the field and seemed to be reading plays well
2. Sanders didn’t get the opportunities Brown did, but I do recall him running a nice quick slant and going up for a good third down catch in traffic
3. Like others have mentioned, I liked Antonio Brown’s quickness after the catch (and the hands he displayed on that throw from Batch near the end of the game)
4. Liked the CB play near the red zone from Lewis and Burnett
5. I saw Doug Worthington showing some major hustle chasing down a screen from behind
6. Summers looked good on special teams and made a nice catch out of the backfield
7. Mike Wallace made a nice clutch catch on (I think) the first series

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Aug 15, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I meant to mention Sanders looked good in his routes

Thanks for mentioning that. And I agree, Sly was a monster on a few plays.

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by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that Worthington play impressed me as well

nothing like seeing DLmen running down RB

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up." Thomas Wayne
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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a recent osu grad and steelers fan

i am happy that worthington and gibson are steelers. those two guys have great motors and are completely fun to watch. they will be very very good in the next couple seasons.

by aeoego84 on Aug 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worthington impressed me as well

high motor in this guy

Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Aug 15, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted Antonio Brown

Lefty, tuck your damned jersey in!!!!!!
Dixon looked good, but he still has more learning to do.
Overall I was happy with how we played.
Mendenhall needs to keep the ball closer to his body
Redman looked good
Yay, football!
:)

I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward

by samliam on Aug 15, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

High and tight

Someone needs to teach this philosophy to our RBs. Can we have Tiki Barber visit our camp for a week?

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he will be a bad influence to them

and tell them to hell with your qb. I dont like Tiki

Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Aug 15, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

having jeff reed on the poll reminded me

i was also fairly impressed with him. the field goals werent terribly challenging but he seemed a bit better on kickoffs. a couple even got into the endzone?!? whodda thunk it?

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 15, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike Tomlin

For sitting Ben the entire game… Good job coach!

Steelers 6 rings, Wildcats 7 Banners..!! Winning never gets old...!!!!

by vinceuk1 on Aug 15, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

K FOX

I thought K fox and Pouncey looked good to…

by steeler26 on Aug 15, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I had a note about K Fox

Not sure why I didn’t include it. He looked good in coverage and had a nice stop if I remember correctly.

I didn’t pay much attention to Pouncey, but I plan to go back and watch the game.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was impressed by Pouncey and Legursky

Pouncey went in early at center and it seemed that the o-line stabilized when he did (of course that’s when Flozell went out) . I liked seeing Legursky playing 4 positions, both guards, center and fullback. It was particularly nice to see the inside of the line playing past the line of scrimmage. Not used to that the past few years.

by gsiegel on Aug 15, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write-up

I hope that Flozell was just playing at half-speed due to the fact that it is the preseason, but we cannot afford to have him beaten on the majority of passing plays. So far all of the rookies, with the exception of Dwyer, look quite good.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Aug 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Great poast Johnny

What a great job our FO did in the draft this year! Sanders and Brown should fill in as a fantastic WR corps once Ward and ARE are gone. Pouncey will be a solid center in the league. Worthington is a high motor guy who wants to be on the team. I’m rooting for him now.
Redman looked great.
BA had better playcalling
Dixon has to start. I do not want Lefty in there. There is a reason why the Bucs got rid of him. we will go 1-3 with Lefty. With Dixon 3-1 at least!

Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Aug 15, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I think 3-1 is doable at this point in time

If we get out of the 1st 4 games at 3-1…..look out…

by ToonaSteel on Aug 15, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

heck yeah. if we go 2-2 during that stretch I’ll be happy. In games 1 through 4 we play Atlanta at home, then go to Tennessee and Tampa Bay before seeing Baltimore at home.

It would be great to go 2-2. Baltimore, Atlanta and Tennessee will be real tough.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 15, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pouncey will be a solid center in the league

Hold your horses. You haven’t had him match-up against Ngata-Cody yet. If you guys can hold them to less than 3 sacks, then you can make statements like that.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold your horses. You haven’t had him match-up against Ngata-Cody yet.

Oh sweet irony.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok Wait until he matches up against Ngata and then make that statement.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

one sure way to beat Ngata/Cody

Sweep.

I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).

by fanofsteel on Aug 15, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly Alabama was the one that won the championship.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t really mean anything about their matchup.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that says what about Pouncey vs. Cody?

"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.

by count'em_six on Aug 15, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The winning part.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It says which team won, not who won the individual matchup..

sounds to me like you know who won that matchup and does not want to admit it.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 15, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Therefore, Larry Fitzgerald played like crap against us in SB XLIII and Ike won that match up. Wait…

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

Ike did win that matchup for 3 out of 4 quarters

by shleeve on Aug 15, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow...since when did football become more like tennis?

"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.

by count'em_six on Aug 15, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

didnt Florida beat them the year before on the way to their championship

Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

get the ball outside.

It’s called a sweep. Those two big guys can’t keep up with a halfback on thr run. A good full back lead blocking against a line backer and you’re good to go on the sweep every time.

I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).

by fanofsteel on Aug 15, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah gotcha. If you sweep you better hope you don’t go right. Suggs is a lot more in shape, and he will crush Mendy if you make him run to the right too much.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Redman will block him.

Or just overwhelm him with his awesomeness!

I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).

by fanofsteel on Aug 15, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would we sweep right? Did you see Flozell yesterday…

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

another way

would be to wave a cheeseburger in cody’s face

"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.

by count'em_six on Aug 15, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 15, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

How bout a hand for Maurkice Pouncey

For this above all else.

I know he was playing against scrubs but he’s 31 yards down field knocking peoples’ heads off after he springs Redman with a key block. When is the last time you saw Hartwig, Essex, or any other Steelers offensive lineman get that far down the grid iron and still be effective?

The rest of the evening he did more than hold his own. Looks like we got a good one here.

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by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 15, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed. I want to see more of Pouncey.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 15, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the extra shove as he's falling down.

That’s the kind of attitude that defines Steelers football—not dirty, but never letting up. Always hitting someone until the whistle blows.

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by eric. on Aug 16, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pouncey and Foster

I was really watching Pouncey on the goal line TD to see what kind of push he would get and he did a good IMO. I’m not a big fan of Hartwig so I look forward to the days of MP starting at center.

I was also disappointed in one play where Ramon Foster pulled to the right to take on a linebacker, Follet, and couldn’t even push him back, or more likely, just didn’t try very hard. I like OL who have that killer pancake instinct, especially on a LB.

by KCStlrFan on Aug 15, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Pouncey looked good on a lot of plays. on one I remember Redman got dumped in the backfield, Pouncey drove the NT off to the side, only to have Tony Hills get knocked backwards and the play get blown up. You could tell Pouncey had gotten his position and drove his man, he looked great in the plays I saw.

by Phantaskippy on Aug 15, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Great write up, thanks Johnny

I’ll try and stay away from my undying love of Dennis Dixon (Oregon Ducks fan here) but to me Lefty just looks really stiff. He doesn’t drop away from the line quickly, his throwing motion is slow and long which leads to times where he’s getting hit right when he throws it, and his footwork leaves a lot to be desired.

We can talk all we want about how Dixon wasn’t facing starters, but Lefty was, and they were Detroit Lion starters, and he looked down right pedestrian at best. Someone please tell me what I am missing in watching Lefty slowly drop back, stand there and look like a tree, wind up from his ankles and slowly deliver pass as he gets flat backed… ok that’s a little harsh, but I’m not impressed at all with Lefty right now.

Guess I can be glad we have 3 more games for me to get used to it.

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by Matt Daddy on Aug 15, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty sloppy game last night

I expect Tomlin to get a few things straightened out for next week against the Giants

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by Mini Hulk on Aug 15, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Preseason games always seems sloppy

Especially when two of your starting OL didn’t start last year. I expect a much better performance from the OL come the 4th game. Also, keep in mind that Detroit line is going to be pretty damn good.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Detroit D-Line IS good. I expect more than 2 wins from them this season.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 15, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK, I don’t think Suh will have the kind of impact people are hyping him for. He held out; missing time he could have used to practice, and I think he will be more of a gap opener for the Detroit LBs.

The Orioles are going to open a can of Buck-Wieser on your ass......

by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toothless Offense

I’m not basing this purely on the performance from Saturday … but is anyone else worried about the lack of weapons on offense? Obviously, this is all on paper at this point … but if you look at our probably starters, there isn’t much firepower there.

I love Hines Ward, but at his age, he’s not a threatening number 1 receiver. Mike Wallace is coming along, but he’s no replacement for Holmes. Mendenhall is a beast, but he still plays like a rookie. Redman is a question mark. Our TEs are awesome, but they aren’t going to support the whole offense. The offensive line is a joke, and our only real weapon on offense is out for the first 4 games.

I’m not freaking out … I’m just laying out my thoughts. Our defense will keep us in every game (I think) … but our offense just looks completely harmless.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 15, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

We have four guys who could be our #3 reciever

and Hines is Hines he has never been able to out run anyone, he just finds the soft spot in coverage. Anchorman will be fine as our #2, I’m sure Hines has been teaching him a thing or two about running routes. Then we come to the four man race that is the battle for the #3 receiver, Antonio Brown can fly and has great hands, Emannuel Sanders is a great young talent from what I have heard, almost caught a TD but Charlie didn’t have the time to get into the throw. ARE, we know what to expect from him. Arnez Battle is a guy that is the wild card in this, a ST aceand a guy that can contribute some good plays everone in a while.

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we will be just fine at WR this year

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are underselling quite a few players on the team there. Ward is still going to be a threat, regardless of age. He was never a burner so age doesn’t hurt him like it would some receivers. If he can stay healthy, he will produce.

There is no telling what Mike Wallace will be. He could very well be everything Santonio gave us. Last night he looked great, he beat his DB on quite a few occasions.

Mendenhall will get his touches and he will produce. My biggest fear is that he has fumbilitis and Tomlin is not doing enough to fix it.

I believe at WR we have really good depth, just no Andre Johnsons. If our QBs can go through their progressions well, we might just have a lot of guys that produce without necessarily garnering huge numbers. That isn’t a bad thing, it actually makes a defenses job harder. They have to prepare for more and they cannot hide their weak links.

It is all too early to tell, but I think we are fine right now as long as Flozell improves his footwork.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of your statements. I think Mendenhall is going to step-up this year and have a huge im[pact for you guys. Mike Wallace is kid-of a wait and see player. I think he is built for slot, so he will have to adjust to the number 2 position. But I just don’t think he will have Holmes like production this year. But I disagree about Ward. I think he is slowing down and is not much of a deep-threat anymore.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

When was Ward a big deep threat? Last year it was Wallace. Before that it was Washington. Before that it was Wilson. Before that it was Burress. Seems like we have deep threats in Wallace, Sanders, and Brown. Ward doesn’t need to be a deep threat.

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by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. But I was just saying Ward isn’t the WR he once was.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you figure? Last year he had the 2nd highest yard total of his career.

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by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s old. Same reason you guys use for Ray Lewis. You slow down at that point in your career.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying Ward is old is like saying Mason is old to a Raven fan. It’s true but no one wants to hear it so we ignore the comment.

by archon095 on Aug 15, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. I see.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ray Lewis?

I really haven’t read anyone here dissing Ray-Ray’s play. He’s still a very good backer, well respected in these parts. You would do well to do the same with Ward, who has a way of making his doubters pay.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 15, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you mean blind-siding them when they aren’t looking?

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

all I can say

and how is that any different than having a defensive player blind siding a guy

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Ed Reed staring at him as he gets drilled to the ground is a blind side then yeah, he does

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by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Sugar Suggs tap RBs on the shoulder before he clocks 'em?

‘excuse me, ahem, ’scuse me…’

besides ‘blindside’ means they ’aren’t looking’,
your bitter hatred has made you redundant.

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by TVsCHACHI on Aug 16, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

oops

we had the same idea

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by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not bitter. It’s in the truest unfiltered form possible. But still even you have to admit Ward takes cheap-shots.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, he doesn’t. He plays within the rules.

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by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPbraVljIrc&feature=related
Dude wasn’t looking.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?

he wasn’t looking at the ball carrier? Or is his vision so narrow that he can’t see the slightest bit to the left? Come on, it’s not like Hines came from behind. When #81 starts doing similar things, you will probably be the first one to talk about how great and tough he is.

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QGKlluCU0o

I think Reed so Ward on that one…

"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis

by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

saw**

"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis

by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a legal play

Here is your boy using his forearm straight to the guy’s helmet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-I4h0s2jnU

Here he is going high on a defenseless WR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a7WkJnEzqM

I think about 50% of hits in the NFL the guy with the ball doesn’t see it coming, are those cheap shots too?

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by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i loved that second play

nothing more satisfying to me than to see rayray single-handedly lose a game for the ravens. that hit kept the drive alive and gift wrapped a W to the bungals

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 16, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

your beak is in logics way

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And We Are Legendary

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by TVsCHACHI on Aug 16, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

Ray Lewis always taps the people on the shoulder that he is about to tackle? “Excuse me, do you mind if I tackle you?”

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by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Being a deep threat is not part of Ward’s game. He is more of an attention getter to keep defenses honest and a possession receiver. You have to acknowledge him because if you don’t he will burn your defense and eat it up.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he is really good at finding the soft spots in zones and an exceptional route runner. I never thought of him as a burner.

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by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hines Quote:

“People are so quick to bury us and put us in an old folks’ home like we can’t play. I still caught 95 balls (in 2009). How can you explain that? Next year if I only catch 40 balls then you have a legitimate story to write.”

Derrick Mason caught 73 balls in 2009
Mark Clayton caught 34 balls in 2009
AQuan caught 84 balls in 2009

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You Shall Fear Us
For We Will Best You,
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And We Are Legendary

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by TVsCHACHI on Aug 16, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

You really can’t add anquan to that equation considering he was a #2 in 2009. So 84 balls at #2 is pretty damn good. If he was at #1 that would increase about 10-20

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ward had 95 Catches as a #2

or do you want to start arguing that our 1250 yard guy was not our number one?

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Mike Wallace will have to adjust to being on the outside?

Last year, it was Ward in the Slot and Holmes and Wallace on the outside. He hardly played in the slot, just on the side of the slot receiver unlike Holmes. I think I even remember reading a quote from Ward saying that Wallace went up against the best corner on his side every time, the only thing that’s different now is his short and medium routes. Of course he is kind of a question mark, but it’s not like he lined up in the slot and faced nickel corners like you made it seem.

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

@Johnny_S: you think Wallace will give us everything Santonio gave us? Remember, it took Holmes 3 years to really blossom. Until the playoffs of his third season he never really stood out. And then he exploded …. we’ve all seen the DVD …. running back punts, making crazy impossible catches. Do you really think Wallace can do that in year 2?

I think he looks promising, but I also think that most people here are WAY overly optimistic about our WRs.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 16, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not one to speak for other people...

…so I wouldn’t interpret my response as Johnny_S’s by any means. But you’re telling us Santonio didn’t really stand out until the playoffs of his third season. I (and I think many others on here) would argue Wallace stood out in his rookie year, when quite literally no one was expecting him to. He made the clutch third down and game-winning grabs, he beat guys deep, he kept drops to a minimum and he didn’t make bonehead plays.

Put another way, he “exploded” onto the scene in a way it took Santonio three years (by your own very recent admission) to do.

I don’t think the argument here is that such a quick start automatically means Wallace is on track to eclipse Santonio’s contribution to the team, but i think it’s fair to say if he’s flashed so much potential in his first season as an unmolded and unpolished rookie, the sky is the limit, and there’s no reason why he can’t be as good as Santonio in years to come.

The word out of camp is Wallace has only improved in the areas he struggled in last year. And he didn’t struggle in many (route running is the only consistent knock I hear on him). Why shouldn’t we be optimistic that he can be as good as Tone in a few years?

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Aug 16, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point was there is no telling what Wallace can do. But I think it has to be made clear that he is not Santonio. He won’t develop the same way Tone did and he won’t be the same player. One thing that Wallace has that Tone does not is top 10 speed in the league. I don’t believe there are many DBs who can keep up with him. And if you throw a double on him you are going to be giving a lot of leeway for one of the best TEs in the league and a great WR in Ward to get open.

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by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lack of offense...

I think it has to come from the O-Line doing a better job this year. Holmes was our biggest offensive weapon the past couple seasons, and while I think the committee of young receivers and running backs will come along and help the team win, I think our line is going to have to play pretty well while the rest of the offense comes together. That, and strong defense, and the team’s 5-3 at worst by mid-season.

I’m excited about the rookies, but they’ll be playing like rookies for at least a couple of months. The one exception to this, I think, is Pouncey, who’s gonna be crucial to the line gelling, playing well, and coming along early November, in time for a great second half run, and a playoff berth no one else in the AFC is going to want to see.

Oh, and nobody is paying me to run the Steelers offense, but get Heath Miller a little more involved…“Big Money” is the team’s most polished receiver not names Hines.

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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 15, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Frank Summers FTW

He is like a poorman’s Leron McClain.

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Frank is #4 RB

at this point

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was blown away, when I watched the game, by Redman.

I really hope he keeps this up and gets a spot, and a chance at some point this year. I think he could be really special and if he can play like that against 1st teams I would love to see him over Moore.

As everyone said, Leftwich looked stiff and not really that great. Then again, it’s hard to look good with a line like that >.> I sure as hell am not calling anything based on one pre-season game, but what I saw did not look promising. Again, pre-season and first game. I’m more then confident it will improve.

I think if Leftwich drops the Atlanta game Dixon will get his start in Tennessee. Here’s hoping, though I feel dirty saying that considering how good Leftwich was as a back up for us and how screwed he got in Tampa (it was Tampa right?) but Dixon looks like SO MUCH FUN to watch. And he is explosive as hell when he see’s a hole he likes. Decision making will come with EXPERIENCE, and the best experience is on the field. Here’s hoping he get’s a good shot this year, because unless he is still in contract, I have a feeling some team is going to get him next year or the year his contract is up. We are sitting on what could be a very big weapon and it’s kind of infuriating.

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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
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by svenhoek on Aug 15, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I meant to add about Redman

I think the heart and determination to become a better player is what really makes him seem so special to me. From everything in camp to this game, the word has been that Redman busted his ass all the way through to get to this point, and I have a feeling that a good shot would make him work even harder at it. That kind of determination is fantastic to have in a young player who shows a lot of promise.

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)

by svenhoek on Aug 15, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy unnecessarily-long comment batman!!!

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy unnecessary comment entirely batman!!

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)

by svenhoek on Aug 15, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Touche'

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by Zachary Beard on Aug 15, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

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by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good, Bad, Ugly from DaTruth ...

- That OL performance by our 1st unit was pretty awful last night. It also dawned on me that the Steelers are starting Hartwig, Essex, & Flozell at RT, so what the hell are we expecting? If Pouncey is ready, start him. Let Legursky be your swing G/C/FB on game day (if not your starter at RG) and take that $2.5M (or whatever his base salary is this year) you’d save by cutting Hartwig and put it towards Woodley’s new contract next year.

- I’m not impressed by Essex at all. Got to open up that RG spot to Foster and Legursky, too. I don’t know what number Dorian Brooks is but apparently he’s having a great camp and is looking like a keeper (according to Dale Lolley). Our new OL coach is going to earn his money with this group.

- Not as down on Leftwich as I am the fact he didn’t have ANY time to throw. And those of you who are saying start Dixon, I counted at least 3 times when he dropped back, didn’t go through his progressions, and just took off running. At the least, I think Dixon should see some reps with the 1st team the next few games.

- Tough cuts coming in our secondary. If I’m the Steelers, S J. Thornton, & CB’s C. Bulter & A. Madision are making this team. In fact, I think Butler will be starting in our nickel D before the year is out. With Madison playing CB like he is now, there is no reason why he won’t be on this squad, especially since he is the best special teams player on the roster.

- Ziggy, Sonny Harris & Worthington. I’m feeling a lot better about the youth on our DL now. Throw in Hokie and the starting 3, and that should be the 7 DL for the team this year. I’d take that group and not look back.

- Did anywhere hear Edmund Nelson of the Steelers broadcast say that he expects ILB Keyaron Fox to start beside Lawrence Timmons when Farrior finally hangs it up. That wouldn’t be a bad fill, but I think Sly is going to be a 3-down LB in a few years.

- That A. Brown slant and gallop to the house was impressive. 3 different players had the angle on him and he outran them all. However, the catch he made after that was just as impressive than the slant and run. With A. Brown and Sanders, it seems like Ben has a couple of more toys to play with this season. Bye-Bye S. Logan.

- Someone needs to tell Dwyer to take off the high heels and realize that he’s in the NFL now. What I saw last night isn’t someone who will make this team. He has 3 more preseason games to turn it up. Damn, at least ACT like U want to run the ball. I know he dinged his shoulder and asked to come out the game. But if I’m a 6th round pick fighting for a job and have missed most of training camp already, I’m not coming out of the game unless I left my arm on the field where I got tackled at. Someone needs to get through to this kid before it’s too late.

- Lastly, I was very impressed with the rookie class overall last night, including the 2 free agent safeties Thornton and Cromartie. The two laid a few Lions out last night. We still need to see Worilds next week, but if Dwyer gets it together, then this draft class could be a platinum hit for K. Colbert.

- Redman, baby. Nuff, said.

-Other than that, I got nothing. And that’s DaTruth!

by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great comment as always truth

I agree with pretty much all of what you said.

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by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

“We still need to see Worilds next week, but if Dwyer gets it together, then this draft class could be a platinum hit for K. Colbert.”

It is looking like a good draft class even if those two don’t pan out but I am thinking Worilds will make it and Dwyer might after a year on the PS.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he goes to PS, he will def be snatched up be a different team, no doubt

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by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he isn't game ready

it is likely no one will bother

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 16, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

Not with the way he played on Saturday

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by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to take exception on one thing:

The comment on Dwyer. I have been disappointed by him too, but if you injure your shoulder, you alone should be the judge of whether you can continue or not. Nobody is happy if you go out again and completely destroy it, ending your season or possibly even your career. Then that ’don’t show any pain’ mantra got you and the organization nowhere. This sport needs to lose exactly that kind of macho thinking.

Aside from that though, great post.

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to say...

Cause it’s a business, not just a sport. And if Dwyer wants to get a couple years of big money (100K+) he needs to earn a roster spot. And if that means fighting through pain, then you fight through pain.

I’m not talking head injuries, those are scary and can screw you up long term. But for someone on the outs looking in, you have to show the coaches a reason to keep you if you want to make money in this business.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 16, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean I agree in general

but fighting through pain and sustaining a potentially serious injury are two different things in my book. Being dinged up, I can absolutely see your point. But when you feel something is wrong, no way. Of course I don’t know which of the two it was.

Speaking of that, has his specific injury been disclosed? I think this discussion is kinda pointless without that…

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aren’t most of our discussions pointless? :)

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point :)

plus I just read on the trib website that Dwyer said it was just a little stinger. In that case, well boohoo. and he said that “apparently God wants it this way”… wow, seriously?

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's a bad attitude

God wants you to work your @ss off. God’s job is not to give away starting positions on the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Although maybe he’s referring to Redman as God. In which case, it’s all fine with me.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 16, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i meant to ask...

Did WIllie Gay even see the field? I don’t recall seeing him.

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by John Stephens on Aug 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw him in for a series I think

This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.

by paulamalu on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea he was on there

he made a tackle I think, thats about it. We are so use to seeing him attacked by the offense that when we don’t hear his name we assume he wasn’t even playing.

by shleeve on Aug 15, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the write up Johnny

I was a little concerned with our O-line at first, but then realized it is just the first game. In time, I think the line will come together. I want to see how the coaches react to the tape and what adjustments they make.

WR’s showed promise
CB’s showed promise as well

Looks like this year’s draft may be a remarkable one

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough choices coming

QB- Dixon shows athleticism but is very skittish in the pocket and his reads were iffy. More flash means popular support, but I suspect the coaches will stick with Lefty.
RB- Mendy is a lock of course, but after that it’s anybody’s guess. Memo should make it on account of his experience and versatility. Redman looks real good and should be no.3, Summers and Dwyer are competing for the same job. Is there room for Logan here?
WR- We HAVE to keep six here IMO. There’s no way we can cut Brown or Sanders and ARE and Battle have to be kept as well.
DL- Sunny Harris or Worthington for spot no. 7. Good problem to have, hope we can stash the loser on the PS.
LB- Gibson and Worilds have it made and Sly is making a strong case to be no. 9 here. Bye-bye Bailey, you did nothing to convince me yesterday that you’re anything more than a special teamer.
Toughest decisions will come at DB, however.
CB- Ike, B-Mac, Gay, Burnett, Lewis, Butler and Madison all deserve a spot but we can’t keep em all. The fourth safety spot will probably go to Mundy as he is having a good camp and knows the system by now. The promising young guys can go on the PS for a year…
Seriously, though, on good corner is going to get cut. I think it’s going to have to be Butler. I really like him, but we could probably hide him on the PS while he learns the ropes and the other young guys look real good and should be ready to help us now.

Tough choices!

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 15, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

So little to say about Pouncey?

1. An undiscussed OL is a good OL.

2. I thought Pouncey was doing a great job of getting upfield and providing that superior push in the next level that great centers get you.

There’s just no end to how much you can love Pouncey. This guy is going to be the Steelers’ third HoF center.

by theobserver on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I know

I should have put in the numbers game on the O-line, but I really think it’s too early to even speculate beyond the obvious. My guess at this point is we’ll keep 9 so we can get some more of that young skilled talent on the roster. Who the nine will be I don’t care to guess at this point, but here are the ones I believe are locks anyway: Starks, Kemo, Pouncey and Essex. Hartwig and Adams are pretty safe but not absolutely guaranteed, Foster is pretty close to those two, and after that there’s going to be a bunch of guys fighting for the last two spots. Ultimately I’m thinking Legursky and Brooks, but it’s really early to assess O-line performance. Let’s wait till game three…

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two important notes here

1- I know he won’t mean much to the Steelers this year, but we have to give Nick Eason credit for his play last year. Coming in for Smith, those are big shoes to fill. He worked hard every game, and had a not stop motor and I certainly respect him for that.

2- This is the first year since ‘04 the Steelers don’t have a contributing speed back. (Even if Logan makes the teams, the backfield is just too crowded for him get carries) I know Mendenhall has some speed, but is obviously more a power guy. Everyone one else is a bruiser. Where is the change of pace???

I think concerns for next year’s draft.

-Someone on the O-Line
-Good Safety
-Someone on the O-Line
-Someone to develop under and replace Casey

In no order, but a safety in the 1st or 2nd round is vital.

"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis

by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

The 2011 draft is deeper than the Mariana Trench with defense.

If Cro-Smith isn’t the next monster SS, then we need to grab a superstar in the first round. I am really unhappy we didn’t draft Morgan Burnett this year, but hopefully there will be someone better next time.

I know there will be no replacing Troy, but we can still look for a guy who has good instincts, a ball hawk and can help against the run.

Second round should be Mike Pouncey, Maurkice’s twin brother. With that kind of continuity on the line…man…

3rd round should be a NT.

4th should be a speed back.

5th should be more D Another SS/FS or LB

6th should be a kicker. Maybe that kid from Pitt who has a monster made percentage at Heinze field.

No 7th because I think we use it to move up somewhere.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 16, 2010 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Pouncey will probably be a 1st rounder

he stayed in college the extra year so that he could play center and show scouts his versatility. barring injury he will most likely shine just as brightly as Maurkice did and be the top interior lineman in 2011

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 16, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

With all the D in the draft, and teams needing “skill” players on O, he could very well fall to the 2nd.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope your right

but even if he does fall into round two you really think he’ll fall to 64 overall? i doubt it :P

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 16, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

Well played sir.

We could also give up more than the 7th rounder to move up in the 2nd to get him…I seriously think they grab the best SS available in the 1st round. According to some draftniks, there are going to be at least one or two in there that are (projected) better than Eric Berry is supposed to be.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 16, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

im all for trading up

i feel like since this is such a veteran team, we need quality youth rather than a lot of youth. i was somewhat disapointed this year when we didnt move up because it seems like a lot of these rookies arent going to have much impact. dont get me wrong i love this class of guys and i think a lot of them can contribute down the road. but for us to take the next step we need more talent that can contribute now.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 16, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a few of them will crack the active roster.

Pouncey, Sanders, Brown, Sylvester, Gibson, Butler…6 out of how many? I can’t remember right now…

I think maybe Worilds can make it if he shows up in the next couple weeks.

Which means only Dwyer and Cro-Smith from this draft class to PS (I think).

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 16, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cro was undrafted

if you start including them, naturally there are a lot more that won’t make it. you forget Worthington, who I think will be a practice squad guy this year.

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I included him because he was available during the draft. No, we didn’t actually draft him, but we still picked him up. Twice.

Wasn’t Worthington our 7th rounder? He looks like a beast, but will probably sit on the PS. So, 2 drafted, and one undrafted stick to the PS, with 6 or 7 making it. Pretty damn good percentage.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

After what Dale Lolley said about Dorian Brooks (undrafted OL), he might also make the PS. I would love to have the practice squad this year consist only of players that have the potential to make the squad and contribute majorly… not people like Justin Vincent and the like

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt butler will make it

unless we decide to keep 6 CBs… which i somewhat doubt. he does have an advantage in that he seems to line up everywhere in the secondary. but unless he outplays will allen or ryan mundy for a backup safety job (which now that i say it doesnt sound all that unlikely) he’ll likely be a PS too

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 16, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh also brown and sylvester...

are probably on the outside looking in. i think theyre great talents but we simply dont have room on the roster. keeping them would mean we have 6 WRs and 5 ILBs. there just isnt room

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 16, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree about Butler

although I am not too sure, but I think that Brown and Sylvester are making a real case for the Roster. Especially Sylvester, while he might not always get a helmet, has a good shot at the 53 because of his special teams ability. I also think they will keep Brown by cutting Logan, unless no one distinguishes himself as a return man the rest of preseason.

by Simonsen on Aug 17, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Unless things change I see our needs as:

Offensive Tackle. 1st round. With Willie Colon out and maybe not recovering this team is left with no good tackles. Starks is serviceable at best. Unless…
Defensive Tackle 1st round. Unless we move to a different defense, Casey needs a replacement and soon.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 16, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be pretty cool if we got the kicker because of the same field

"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis

by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 6:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I know it is only preseason, but i think this is the first time in 2 years that the Steelers threw under 20 balls in one game.

And I like it. I just wish Bettis would come to camp and show Mendy how it is done (both with lowering your pads, and decreasing fumbles)
If that happened Mendy can become better than Bettis because he also has speed

"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis

by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 6:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't necesarily think the Bus should become a coach just because he was a great player

but I think him paying a visit to camp would have a huge effect on every RB on the team. I just wish it would happen. I think it would especially light a fire under Dwyer’s ass and give Mendenahll a real vision of what he good be is he learns to stop spinning, and get dirty.

I didn’t get to watch the game but, from highlights and what people say, the O-Line still sucked. Does anybody know the impact the new O-Line coach has made?

"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis

by jcogz43 on Aug 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

according to all reports

he’s been great. Very hands-on, sweating almost as much as the players during camp because he is always in the middle of it. The players love him, as does Craig Wolfley (current sideline reporter for Steelers games and former Olineman) and several other reporters during camp.

by Simonsen on Aug 16, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was also pretty impressed with Worthington and Sylvester.

I agree with a lot of the above comments, no need to rehash them all. I did hear and see both Madison and C-Smith all over the place as well; overall I was pleasantly surprised with the pass defense. Not much of a rush to help them out, but maybe that’s not a bad thing, making them hold the plays longer right now could help their confidence (as long as they’re ultimately stopping the plays that is).

I thought the second team o-line clearly outplayed the first team, but it’s relative to whom they lined up against.

I will say that one of the reasons I had hoped Dixon would get the nod over Lefty showed up – the lack of Lefty’s foot-speed/getting out of the pocket. I won’t argue that Dennis seemed to give up his progressions at times and take off too early. However, our o-line didn’t exactly stand out as being great protectors for Lefty, and to me anyway, Left is not the guy to be back there if the line is questionable. This isn’t intended as a knock on Byron, more a testament to Dennis being able to get out into the open field.

3 of the first 4 games are against teams with better than average D-lines (the Bucs I’m not sure about right now) that can get into the back-field, and unless our line starts to jell and show big-time improvement, I think Dennis is the choice. If not, he may end up back there anyway if Byron gets hit enough….

by dawgs144 on Aug 16, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

TO THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE...
Dixon played good, not great, but good.

If earning a perfect QB rating, while averaging over 5 yards/carry, is merely good, but not great, then I would like for you to explain to me what kind of numbers make up a “great” performance…

by Cpassmore on Aug 16, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Judging a player’s performance based solely on his numbers is a fallacy. Sure, Dixon put up great numbers, but his decision making is still not great for an NFL QB. Several times he took off running well before the pocket broke down and well before going through his progressions. Sure, he got a few first downs, but those will not always be there, especially against a stronger defense (i.e. first team). I remember seeing at least two occasions where Dixon took to his feet when he had a wide open Emmanuel Sanders down field, which would have resulted in 10+ more yards on the gain.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see that but...

We are talking about backups here. Whomever starts will not perform like Big Ben, there will be some poor decisions. By my eye, that can involve either throwing into coverage (Lefty) or taking off and using some 4.49 speed to pick up yards (Dixon). I would say Dixon gives you guys the better chance as his running ability will force defenses to account for him, giving Dixon easier reads in the pocket…

by Cpassmore on Aug 16, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

But I think Dixon has the ability to develop into a decent pocket passer. Therefore, I suppose I expect a little bit more from him. There will be times when we need him to throw and running won’t be an option (i.e. the Ravens game last year). If he develops his reads better, he won’t be throwing game losing interceptions and be an even bigger threat who can also run.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 16, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a firm supporter of mobile QB's...

I have to say I agree with your (and a few other’s) assessment of Dixon. When judging a QB’s play, one of the biggest variables is decision making. While I’ll happily take close to five yards on a carry (especially since more often than not his carries came with first downs) he still needs to try and buy more time behind the line of scrimmage (one of my favorite Ben traits).

Make no mistake, while the runs in question were successful, he needs to see the passing options better. This comes with time, and when the game does slow down a bit for him, I have little doubt he will. For now, he is still a work in progress.

Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

and/or

Feel free to flee the pocket. The whole defense has to shift when you do so and you’re less likely to take a sack if you’re starting to feel the pressure.

However keep the ball up and your eyes down field. This is one of Ben’s greatest traits, when he leaves the pocket he is more likely to throw then run. Granted he’s not as fast as Dennis, but he’s still able to grab some easy yards. Instead he keeps looking downfield and occasionally gets HUGE plays out of it instead of a 2-5 yard gain.

I’m all for The Dixter fleeing the pocket. Our line sucks at creating a pocket right now anyway. But make the defense think you might throw it. You’ll automatically create more yards on the ground.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 16, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Department of Redundency Department...

At work on BTSC :)

Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 16, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention

68 of his 128 yards came on what should have been a 10 yard slant but antonio brown just burned everyone down the field for the big play. sure he had a perfect passing rating and im encouraged by his 6/7 completion rating. but i agree that he was a little too quick to run and needs to keep his eyes downfield. i got the feeling that dixon wants to show off his legs a bit more though, since that will likely be his ticket to the starting gig over lefty

by steel.curtain.number2 on Aug 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

C. Butler & A. Madison are keepers at CB; Burnett & 'lack of a play' W. Gay ...

are pretty much expendable to me. For those who think Butler isn’t doing work, Butler is the only one of our rookies who is learning 3 different positions, CB, nickel, and safety. He is one of the only few corners we have who will actually make a play on the ball. A. Madison has stepped up his game and is the best special teams player on the roster. If I’m Willie Gay or Burnett, I’m renting instead of buying in Pittsburgh.

Can’t see the Steelers paying Justing Hartwig starter’s money to ride the bench and only play one position. Pouncey, Legursky, Urbik and D. Brooks (who Dale Lolley says is a tremendous athlete and a keeper) all play two positions. Goodbye, Mr. Hartwig. Tired of seeing U getting thrown around on a regular basis.

by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 17, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think they will cut W. Gay

simply because of what he has shown as a Nickel in the regular season before and his experience in the defense. Burnett has had a very good camp for the Steelers so far, so that decision isn’t all that easy either. As I said, it’s a luxury problem… You’d like to keep them all, but I think they might decide against either Butler or Burnett for the mere fact that there is hope to stash them on the practice squad and not part ways. I would love keeping Madison, especially with his improvement at his actual position.

Hartwig supposedly can play RG as well. Come to think of it, there might be a real possibility of Hartwig getting beat by Pouncey at C, then sliding over beating out Essex at RG. That way, some kind of continuity is achieved (Tomlin seems to be big on this), and Hartwig can help Pouncey in case the rook needs any help.

by Simonsen on Aug 17, 2010 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gay can ONLY play the nickel

Crezdon Butler has shown his ability to play 3 positions, and if he continues to light it up, Gay AND Mundy could very well be gone to make room for another rookie sensation. Like you said, Arn Mike loves positional flexibility, and Gay doesn’t have it.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 17, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I read somewhere that Gay was doing alright at Safety in practice too

but I might be wrong about that. Still, he is a proven commodity at the Nickel and as a backup, and while Tomlin likes position flexibility, he also trusts his veterans much more than his rookies. Plus IIRC Butler has a good chance of getting through to the PS, while Gay can’t. But of course, it depends on how all of them do in the preseason and practice from here on out.

by Simonsen on Aug 17, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Butler continues to light it up for us

do you honestly think nobody will pick him up? I mean, we’re not the only ones who are watching the games and seeing how he’s performing.

Gay has NO upside, no positional flexibility, basically nothing going for him except nickle and backup. He’s done unless Butler stinks it up these next couple weeks.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 17, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

but butler hasn't done all that great in the first game

he was decent, sure, but teams will judge him only on how he does in games, not in practice. or do you think they are reading the practice report for each practice and every team out there? To paraphrase: ‘Would you have the training camp hero, or the one who performs in actual games?’ I personally want Butler on the squad this year. But I don’t think if he plays like he did in the first game there would be a ton of trouble sneaking him onto the Practice Squad.

by Simonsen on Aug 17, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was also Butlers first game

Gay stunk it up for us last year. Opposing QB’s knew it, and raped him all year long. Therefore, all Butler has to do is outperform Gay, which should be pretty damn easy for him to do.

You are extremely naive to think that other teams don’t have scouts at our workouts/training camps. Just like, I’m sure, the Steelers have guys at other camps, watching them. It’s extremely competitive, and if one team cuts/waives a guy, you better damn sure know all you can about him before opting to sign him off waivers.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 17, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell me then please

why Redman wasn’t picked up off waivers. He had a better camp/preseason than Butler this year. It is simply impossible to watch 82 players of 32 teams closely, do you really think each team has detailed scouting reports on over 2500 players?

That said, if Butler does continue to improve (and of course if Gay drops off, because he has had a good training camp as well), of course they keep him over gay. I am just saying that if they perform about equally well, my guess is they go with Gay because of what he showed in 2008 as well as the possibility of sneaking Butler on the PS.

by Simonsen on Aug 18, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Redman did not have a better camp

He was out of shape (ala Dwyer this year) and got winded very easily.

No, they don’t have detailed reports of 2500 players. What they do have, however, are detailed reports of players that they think would fit their system were they to be cut. Besides, it’s not 2500 players, really, it’s only the ones on the bubble, so to speak. Like, we are not going to be cutting/waiving Ward, or Heath. Therefore, no detailed reports on superstars/guys almost certain to make the 53, get it?

I’m fairly certain that if Gay beats out Butler, no other team is going to want to touch him. So, it’ll be a pretty safe bet he’ll clear waivers. I just really want Gay to go away.

As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.

For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.

by Steel Spike on Aug 18, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  


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