Steelers' Dennis Dixon Deserves a Vote of Confidence
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We'll never know how Dennis Dixon and the first-team Steeler offense would have done against the lowly Detroit Lions. All we'll ever know is what Byron Leftwich and the first-team offense didn't do. While it is true that Dixon did not face first-team opposition, he also did not have first-team weapons on his side with which to operate. Rest assured, this paper is not a knee-jerk reaction to Saturday's game, nor a sexy desire to see a flashier, more exciting quarterback. I have felt strongly about Dixon for quite some time.
There are those who like to end all arguments by saying, "The staff knows what they are doing. If they think Leftwich is a better option, so be it." I am not one of those people. If that is how deep we all go, then there is no sense in discussing anything here. They know more than us, so let's just keep quiet and wait for the next game. Take the opposite approach. I question and critique. Besides, if the staff always made the right decisions about personnel, how come I just saw Bruce Davis and Ricardo Colclough tending bar? Let's have fun here.
At best, the Steelers' offensive line is shaky to mediocre. It was shaky before Willie Colon's Achilles heel snapped. The Steelers brought in Flozell Adams to replace Colon. Adams asset is his run blocking, as he is too big and old to pass block. If the Steelers cannot protect the quarterback, why have the most immobile quarterback in the backfield? Leftwich is going to be picking himself off the ground all day long. Dixon can at least escape the pass rush that our line can't prevent.
It puzzles me every time I see the words "Dixon" and "ready" in the same sentence. Dixon was drafted on the same weekend as Joe Flacco, who was "ready" to lead his team into an AFC road Championship Game. Dixon was on an NFL team for an entire year before Mark Sanchez was "ready" to do the same. Josh Freeman, drafted a year later than Dixon, was "ready" to send Byron Leftwich to the glue factory a season ago.
The claim that those players were all much higher draft picks than Dixon does not hold water. Dixon was the leading candidate to win the Heisman Trophy, until an injury knocked him out of the running and off the early draft board. True, the Heisman is no barometer for NFL success, but Dixon clearly fell off the cliff with his injury. Interestingly, the Detroit Lion who started against the Steelers, Matthew Stafford, was drafted a year later than Dixon, yet miraculously he is ready.
Dennis Dixon will never be "ready" until the Steelers show some confidence in him. In his only NFL start, the Steelers lost in overtime to their archrival, in prime time, on the road, and on short notice. You think those elements were tough for the young man? They weren't his biggest obstacle, huge as they were. His biggest problem was that the team put him in a straight jacket. They told him there was no back-up, only Tyler Palko. They told him there was no safety net. They turned the playbook into cliff notes. Despite all that, elements you would be hard-pressed to find forced on any first-time quarterback, they almost won the darn game. Imagine if the Steelers had shown a little more confidence in Dixon and worried less about Palko. On the rare occasion they let him use his legs, Dixon scored on a 25-yard touchdown run. Had that happened just a few more times, especially on Pittsburgh's final drive in overtime, the Steelers might be two-time defending Super Bowl Champions right now.
When Roethlisberger's fate was evident, it was a smart move for the team to immediately sign Leftwich again. What was disheartening was the instant message that Leftwich was holding pole position. What did that do to Dixon's confidence? Ironically, this year Dixon will have safety nets all over the place. He's got Leftwich, Charlie Batch and then Ben in game five. Now is the perfect time to let Dixon win you some football games with no handcuffs or straight jackets. The Steelers should be more afraid of losing football games than losing Dixon to injury.
Dennis Dixon is not the future of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Big Ben is. Therefore, the fear of losing a mobile quarterback to injury should not exist. We don't need Dixon to last 16 games, getting belted because he's the anti-Peyton. We need him to last four games. And, if Dixon does get hurt, we are no different than where we are now with Leftwich.
Does Dixon look like a run-first quarterback at times? Does he look tentative? Of course he does. Those things get tweaked with time and experience. But how can we expect him to tweak anything when he is given neither the time nor the experience?
Dixon should be given the keys to the car with the first-team offense, without a governor, like he should have been given last year in Baltimore. We need to win two or three ballgames before the bye week and Dixon should be given snaps with the first string, starting now, to make that happen. Moreover, Dixon should be given a strong vote of confidence by everyone in the organization so maybe he won't look like a guy who no one has confidence in. How can you expect a man to have something that was never given to him in the first place?
Dixon's value to the team may go far beyond four games. If Dixon looks good in those games, he could become the most sought-after backup in the NFL. Dixon could become 2009's version of Matt Cassell or 2007's version of Matt Schaub. Teams like the Vikings or Bills might offer a substantial deal to acquire him, knowing that Dixon will never start over the long haul for Pittsburgh.
In any case, I cannot come to terms right now with Byron Leftwich being a better option than Dennis Dixon. Give Dixon a legitimate shot with the first team, give him a true vote of confidence for the first time, and give him those things very soon.
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Agree entirely
But its not happening. Check my fanpost that I put up a couple hours ago
Quarterback Rotation will not change
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 16, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Fanshot*
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 16, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Steelers care about Dixon getting hurt if he’s never going to play anyhow? If he plays and gets hurt, how are we any different than not letting him play in the first place? That thinking (not you, Steeler, but the quote from the article) makes no sense to me.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
I know exactly what you mean MR, i was outraged when I read what Bruce Arians said. Absolutely ridiculous and irrelevant. Hes not in it for 16 games, hes in it for FOUR. Let him play absolutely lights out and go as hard as he wants for those four games. He doesnt have to pace himself, he can just go out there and play.
Completely illogical in my opinion. If Byron stinks it up in those four, we are all only going to be wondering “what could have been”
Seriously, almost every other person on the damn planet other than BA thinks Dixon DESERVES A SHOT. No one has said start him, but give him the chance to compete for f’s sake.
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 17, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruce Arians
shouldn’t be making the call. This is Tomlin’s call. If you don’t have control over your coordinators then you are nothing more than a figure head. The conversation should go like this:
Tomlin: ‘Lets see how dixon plays with the first team offense’
BA: ‘But coach, he isn’t ready’
Tomlin: ’ Whose the head coach, me or you?’
BA: ‘Mikey, look, I know more about offense than you’ll ever know.’
Tomlin: ’You’re fired.’
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 17, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
This needs to be green
Because I like the outcome of the conversation.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 17, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope that Tomlin isn't that touchy
I know you were joking, but firing our OC right now would doom this team, even if it is BA.
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by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
unfortunately
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I said it once,
I’ll say it again. The success of our offense is a testament to the talent on this team. Not BA’s playcalling. Dixon should get a chance.
I agree with the spirit of your post
but take issue with your rhetorical question: “How can you expect a man to have something that was never given to him in the first place?” My issue with the question is simply that it assumes athletes should be given something. I think confidence stars with the individual. The lack of confidence, if there is one, can only be attributed to Dixon because he yet to earn it. From the little I know about him, he seems like a great kid, but I think he must not have done the things to earn the confidence of the FO and the coaching staff. Many of the other QB’s you mention were thrown into the fire and their teams didn’t have much choice (Lions – Stafford, Jets – Sanchez, Joe Flacco – Ratbirds, etc). As you say, he is not the long-term solution for us at QB. However, maybe knowing that, he didn’t do all the little things in the off-season to earn the coaching staff’s confidence. Additionally, I read somewhere today that Dixon is still making some errors that are explained away as “inexperience.” I don’t understand that because he’s been in the same offense since joining the team, so there should be zero errors. I agree with you we should just let the kid play rather than going with Lefty, but if there is any hesitation, I would look at the player before assigning responsibility to anyone else.
I'm your huckleberry
I won’t chicken and egg you with whether he should have confidence before the Steelers should show some confidence in him, but as far as those other quarterbacks being thrown into the fire because they had to, I believe Dixon is in that situation now. Lefty ain’t the answer in those first four games. But it’s an interesting debate and I’m certainly not dogmatic about it.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
If Leftwich keeps getting used as a tackling dummy when he goes back to pass (Thanks, Flozell), then we’ll be putting up lots of chicken eggs on the scoreboard. I think Dixon may afford us some of that escapability that is similar to Bens, and keep the line on the same keel as if Ben were back there. It seems to make sense from a stylistic standpoint.
As for having that “Thrown In The Fire” situation, yep…I think we have one right now. Again, though, it gets explained away by the “experience” issue. I think it’s interesting and definitely a double standard.
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I agree
And declare shenanigans on Leftwich. If he was so fantastic why did he cut off the team and have a booboo year in Tampa? Granted, it was Tampa. But IMO he’s well past his prime and simply never has had much mobility.
When your starting QB goes down I think its most logical to have some kind of similar QB in the waiting. I would want a QB that can rollout and run much like ben does. Switching to Lefty is like going to the complete copposite extreme.
My feeling is Tampa, regardless of who they had slingin’ from the pocket, wanted Freeman to step in. He was a solid draft pick, a lot of promise, and pretty talented. Not to mention a lot younger than Lefty. Lefty just made a bad career choice going to Tampa.
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I agree
Leftwich wasn’t given much of a chance. He didn’t do well, no question about it, but to use Tampa as the sole reasoning for why he sucks is inaccurate in my opinion.
To use Tampa is accurate IMO
He obviously went to a team that needed a qb, a one and done kind of qb. One that was going to start a year and warm the seat for Freeman. coming out of the draft Freeman was a raw qb out of Kan St. and many felt he needed to sit a year out and learn the offense. He didnt. I think Tampa felt that it had the same chance putting Freeman on the field and /or playing Lefty. So they cut him. He could have stayed as backup to Freeman, but that wasnt enough. He is not good. Jax couldnt wait to get rid of him and put Gerrard in. His claim to fame is the Marshall game where he busted his ankle or knee. Start Dixon. its just for 4 games. He is a home guy, a player we drafted.
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it goes back to that whole "would you start a rookie QB" thing again
I don’t think Tampa was content with waiting on Freeman, they wanted to play him to have him get experience. But none of us truly knows what went on in their head, so I’ll let go of that point.
Correct me if I am wrong, but when Byron was brought in on short notice before the 2008 season, Steeler Nation as well as sports writers were ecstatic that we got a backup that could be a starter for many different ballclubs. I did not follow his career all to closely before he got to the Burgh, but he was said to have lost his job in Jacksonville and Atlanta because of his injuries, not because of his ability. He went on to have a great season for us, stepped in on even shorter notice than Dixon against Baltimore, and performed behind a terrible offensive line.
Then, after we won the super bowl, we were all sad that he left but realized that we couldn’t keep him as he was simply too good to be a back up. What followed was a training camp in Tampa where he won the starting job outright, and then three bad games on a bad team that made him lose it again. And now, he outright sucks, and there is no way we should play him? I don’t buy it.
by Simonsen on Aug 17, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think Leftwich sucks
I think with the team that we have and especially the OLine that we have we need a more mobile qb back in the pocket. We need to come out with wins in those 4-6 games. How short of a notice did Byron come in? when he had to face the Redskins? The game was won 23-6. it was 10-6 in halftime when Ben went out of the game for a bad shoulder. Willie ran for a td and Byron threw a td pass. I dont know check the game logs for that game cuz it seems Byron was overrated
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
He was not overrated.
He played lights-out in that game. The offense went nowhere before he stepped on the field. When he got under center the chains started moving.
The 2 scores Ben got in that game came after 1) a 40+ yd PI call and 2) a blocked punt. The offense gained about 30 yds in those two drives combined not including penalties.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008110300/2008/REG9/steelers@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay
well, the OLine was not any better in 2008.
yeah, I was talking about the Redskins game. He came in at half time against a team that at the time was 6-2 and atop the NFC East, by many considered the best division in football that year. Especially their defense had been good – Ben went 5-17, and threw an interception.
His first drive, he hit a 50 yard bomb to Nate Washington and Parker scored on a 1 yard run. The second drive were three runs, and the third was a TD again – this time a throw to Santonio Holmes. He was sacked twice, but finished the game 7-10 with 129 yards and a TD. Definitely not overrated. I am not gonna say he looked like the best QB ever, but he did what is expected – manage the game and let the defense take over. Similar to what he did against the Browns, but I am not gonna go into detail on that because well, it’s the Browns.
well put Simon
IMO to me Byron doesn’t impress me. We drafted Dixon and we need to start him.
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
well, if you go down just a little more and say "we need Dixon to get first team reps"
we’re completely on the same page :)
this comment should be green too! for reminding us that Leftwich has played well for us.
grain of salt
for 1 half
yeah he played 5 games that year in 08 and threw 2tds. 1 in garbage time vs Bengals.
I’m not convinced with Lefty as the QB.
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
and a few hanoffs against the Texans
maybe a few passes too, but that was a blow out too
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by PixburghArn on Aug 17, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yep that too
he was in 5 games
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Look below I put details down there today
Bengals, Texans (blowouts), Eagles loss, Redskins, Browns (injury replacement). NYSF4 added some stats
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 17, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
To further emphasise your point
Lets go back and breakdown Byron Leftwichs game tape vs Washington, where he was 7/10 for 129 yds and 1 td
1st completion
Pocket breaks down a little with the guy diving over the top, bombs it out to Nate Washington who has a 2 step opening on his defender. Ball is underthrown, but Nate makes the adjustment and a good catch. Could have easily been a missed oppurtunity.
2nd completion
On the deep comeback he hits Santonio Holmes to his right, Santonio is absolutely blazing to get to it. This throw was pretty good but Santonio had to work to get there.
3rd completion
Rolls out, hits Moore out the backfield. Good play, hits the guy in open space, with a potential blocker in front of him.
4th completion
Off play action, steps up into the pocket, almost too far, and dumps it to Mewelde Moore who has loads of space after running a “block and release” route. Whether this was a designed block/release who knows, as it looks to me like Moore was improvising. This was a good decision though, and a stat booster for Leftwich. What horrible defense by Washington.
5th completion
Zings an out to Hines Ward. This was a horrible throw, it was low, behind Ward and had no touch on it what so ever. Wards sliding catch was the only reason this didnt hit the turf at his feet. Great adjustment by Hines, terrible throw.
6th completion (touchdown)
Another crap throw. Santonio has no press on him whatsoever from a few yards out, Leftwich throws it behind Holmes forcing him to turn around to catch, most decent Cornerbacks would have pounced on him in an instant, however the Redskins cornerback for whatever reason hesitates and allows Holmes the space to dive for the pylon and the score.
The Video can be seen Here
Make up your own minds about it, but more often than not, the Steelers Wide Receivers bailed out Leftwich on those plays.
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy leads a TD drive with no INTs, and he gets no credit? But you want the guy who has only thrown 26 passes in the NFL, and one of them was an INT?
There’s some sound logic.
Leftwich was playing against the Redskins in that game. They had a top 10 defense that year. Give him some credit.
grain of salt
Notice the defense and you will see that they played anything like a top 10 defense in that game. Watch some of those plays, defensive mediocrity and some outstanding catches were the reason his stats were boosted so much.
Sure, we mustered a touchdown drive, good for him. Im just saying look at it closely, and you can hardly say it was because of him we got that touchdown
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
so let’s get this straight … every time Leftwich has thrown a pass it has been to amazing receivers (who make up for his poor talent), who are playing against terrible defenses. This is what you are saying.
But Dixon’s 26 passes (with an INT) were against TRUE SUPERMEN and we lost DESPITE his sheer brilliance?
You’re being so hyperbolic that it sounds like you are being sarcastic and in fact WANT Leftwich to start.
grain of salt
No, im saying that if you forget the score and look solely at the Quarterbacks, Leftwich was no more impressive in his game against Washington than Dixon was against the Ravens
The interception was ugly, im not saying it wasnt, and yes it was a shit way to finish that game, but it shouldnt have been the defining moment on a game in which we were never favored to win with him
Your argument is that you are basing your decision for Leftwich to start based on one drive two seasons ago.
Leftwich has looked average in camp, Dixon has looked better
Leftwich looked average against the Lions, Dixon dismantled the Lions second teamers with his own second teamers
I just want the more in-form and ready Quarterback to start the season. So far, that is Dixon
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Defense won that game.
Look at the bomb to Washington. He under threw that ball pretty badly. He gets credit for doing what he had to do, but Wash defense was awful in that game.
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by idiscgolftexas on Aug 18, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched the passes
here’s my opinion:
1st completion
He had pressure in his face and no place to step up in the pocket that is breaking down, yet still placed the ball decently. Sure, it was underthrown a little, but still absolutely catchable and that is impressive if you consider the lack of room he had on the throw
2nd completion
I disagree here too. He threw it exactly where you are supposed to on a comeback route. Toward the sideline, and away from the defender… Sure, a good catch, but also a well-placed ball.
3rd completion
We agree on this one. Good awareness, mobility (wait… Leftwich?), and a well-placed ball.
4th completion
Really? He stepped up too far? Watch the play again please. There was one defender on each side of him, forcing him to step up that far. It was a 7 man blitz, pretty much all out, and he was calm enough to step up and put the ball over top of his line right into the soft spot. Not actually horrible defense (though certainly not what we are used to from the Steelers), just a decent line pick up and call against the Blitz.
5th completion
This one I agree, not a great throw. Hines doing what he does best, catching a near impossible throw. However, you gotta remember that a bad throw toward the ground is a million times better than one too high. Just sayin ;)
6th complettion
Not a great throw, but decent. It was just a few inches behind Holmes, the adjustment he had to make was minor (since the play seems designed for him to wait for the ball anyways, this seems very similar to the plays they ran with Holmes in the SB that year).
He didn’t only lead 1 TD drive that game, he had a good all around half in which he managed to put a game away against a team that had put a beating on Ben and coming in was one of the hottest in the NFL.
Now given, it was only one half, and like I said I will not consider the other games he played cause as Arn pointed out, those were mainly mop-up minutes. But judging Dixon based off one game against Baltimore in which he played considerably worse is just as fatal in my opinion. And please don’t argue about one preseason game, because reports are Leftwich has had a better camp overall so far.
I wasnt going to
Although Ive heard different things from different people as to who has looked better in camp
But most people are basing Leftwich off one half for us two years ago. The argument is working both ways.
To be honest, neither really have a solid argument
Therefore in conclusion
I want Ben back NAO!
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
…I don’t understand all the stuff about Dixon being, ready, great, exciting, has a great future, has great speed, is fun to watch…blah blah blah….and then he rides the pine.
He’s not the #1 QB, so might as well get him the ball whenever possible just in case he has to lead the team. If he’s sooooos great anyway and has such a future, why not trade him for a QB who is somewhere between him and Lefty, plus another OL? Greatness is a waste if it it isn’t used.
I think he should be the number 2 QB and he should run the team right now. PLUS, once BB gets back there should be some nice gadget plays….I could see see something wacky where DD, BB and Randle El all are on the field. Hike to BB, double reverse option with the other two…..ok ok ok….now I’m just being crazy………zzzzzzzzzzz
If you include Ward on that play...
You would have FOUR college QB’s on the field at the same time.
Fun. :)
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by Fifty-Eight on Aug 17, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ward, ARE, and BB
I have images of SBXL in my head
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
crazy, maybe
But I like the way you think.
by OhioSteelerFan on Aug 17, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really agree with you (I’m on the fence) … but I still love this post.
I think that Leftwich is a proven commodity. Like Charlie Batch when he filled in for Ben during the regular season on the way to SB40, or Leftwich himself during the run to the last SuperBowl.
I think we can all agree that Leftwich has less upside than Dixon, but he’s also far less risky. Personally, I think that our defense will keep most games close, so our best shot might come with the QB who makes the fewest mistakes.
grain of salt
Paul, I nodded my head in agreement when I read this:
I think we can all agree that Leftwich has less upside than Dixon, but he’s also far less risky.
But then I thought….“How do we know?”
He’s an ‘unproven’ commodity, at least in the NFL. In college, he handled pressure just fine. He performed well. He knew his teams playbook.
I have to nod the other way now…I see your point, but I can’t agree. Let’s see where the upside goes. It’s not a season, it’s not for his whole career, it’’s FOUR GAMES. I’m on the Dixon bandwagon.
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i know its just college
he did beat Michigan at the big house.
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
that is a better word
4tds and 1 rushing on a sweet lady liberty play
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
let me push on the right side of the fence
start Dixon
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I COMPLETELY AGREE!
I think Leftwich is way too risky given his mobility. This is, perhaps, not his fault because the O-line has been less than adequate. But he is who he has been. Not mobile. I think he is a capable back-up. But Dixon seems to have better instincts for what we need as a QB right now. He appears to be prepared and looks like a gamer… I also think sometimes he has to run instead of pass because of either poor pass protection or there’s nothing down field. Ben has to avoid pressure often as well, but he usually throws it when guys get open. But when Dixon avoids pressure, he seems to commit to running because he excels at it. I think if he gets reps with the first team and has better protection, he’ll stay in the pocket IF BA allows him to. I think he is a far better passer than he is given credit for…That conservative style plan he used versus BAL was not good enough…
Cue Dennis Green:
“Leftwich IS who we THOUGHT he was!”
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
What has Leftwich proven?
He makes fewer mistakes? He also makes fewer plays. I think Maryrose knocked it out of the park on this one. Ask yourself this one question, Does Leftwich really give this team a better chance to win in the regular season? I don’t think so. I don’t believe this offensive line can protect him, and frankly he has never been a very good passer. At this point, Dixon looks like Kordell Stewart. Say what you will about Kordell, but in the regular season defenses had a hard time dealing with him at times. Put Dixon in there, and if he is atrocious, you always have Leftwich too back him up.
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by idiscgolftexas on Aug 16, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
“he has never been a very good passer”
you have a very short memory. Leftwich was a 7th overall pick in 2003. That’s higher than Big Ben … obviously draft position doesn’t equate to success in the NFL; however, Leftwich was a great passer at the time, and for the first few years of his career. In fact, the CW on him is that he has a cannon for an arm, but is very immobile.
His immobility is, of course, a valid concern … especially with our offensive line. And this is the one really strong argument in Dixon’s favor.
Back to your point of “what has he proven?” Well, in 2008 Leftwich appeared in 5 games. He completed 21 of 36 attempts for 303 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions for a 104.3 passer rating. And I would point out that he was critical in week 9 of that season, when he came off the bench to replace Big Ben when he got injured.
And beside being injury prone, he wasn’t that bad when he was with the Jags.
You can’t really compare that to anything that Dixon has done.
grain of salt
that week 9
yeah he gets credit, but it was against the Redskins. The Steelers were already winning. He tossed an insurance TD. All he had to do was manage the game.
Now Dixon came in with little preparation against one of the best defenses in Baltimore. Yeah he threw a terrible INT, but he played superbly during the game.
I was surprised to hear how close the game was.
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disagree
The Steelers defense looked fantastic that game but the O couldn’t get anything done. Then Lefty came in and changed the dynamic of the game. In that one instance he was outstanding.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 17, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
see above for my comment
Ben was 5-17 with an INT against the Redskins, and the game was up for grabs when he went out. By the way, Dixon’s ‘superb’ game against the Ravens included completing only 12/26 passes, one td on the ground and one passing, one terrible interception, and a couple more passes that could have easily been intercepted as well. Sure, it was a promising performance that left you wondering what he could do with more time to prepare, but superb? I don’t think so.
Dixon's game was against the Ravens Defense
their defense was a top 10 defense. a top 5 defense if malor can give me the exact ranking. by those standards Dixon was pretty good. surpassed a lot of expectations
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Washington's D that year was top 10
and had beaten up on Ben the entire first half. But I am not even arguing that Dixon didn’t exceed expectations. I loved him that day, even though we lost. I am just thinking looking back on it that we might have hyped a 12/26 performance for 145 yards and one interception (could have easily been at least 2 more) a little too much.
It was not just a top ten Raven Defense
it was a rivalry game, in their House, not Heinz Field, with less than a week to prepare. That is why it should have been hyped. What did Flacco do when he faced us for the first time.
com att yds y/a td/int S Syd QBR
09/29 @ PIT L 20-23 16 31 51.6 192 6.2 1 0 5 52 81.7
Pct RAtt Yds Y/R TDs
12 26 46.2 145 5.6 1 1 0 0 60.6 3 27 9.0 1
I omitted Flaccos rushing because he attempted twice and ended with -1 yard.
Flacco had a good week to get ready for this game at Heinz Field not his home turf. same scenario as dixon except Dixon had less than a week to prepare.
Yeah Byron is solid. but what i’m not seeing from him is the feel of his surroundings as well. Ben has that and that is what makes him phenomenal. he can feel the pocket break down. Byron cant. by the time he has his ball cocked back(oh man) he was lying flat on the ground. Dixon has that feel. Looking at old college games of his and that Ravens game you can tell he has the feel of the pocket breaking down. he knows when to run for a first down or for positive yardage. There is nothing bad on a qb who goes for a run and stepsout of bounds. I’m glad we have someone like that.
Dixon needs to be the starting qb. i do not want to start the season 0-4 or 1-3 with Lefty back there. if he does start i’ll root for him to succeed, but i want DD
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see, that's my thing
I do agree that Dixon has potential and ability, and I want him to prove that with the first team. I really do. I just don’t want to already put him in as the starter for the regular season before preseason is over. Because it’s not like he doesn’t have competition.
I do appreciate your comparison with Flacco though, and I have to admit I didn’t take the rivalry with the Ravens into consideration enough. Like I said, I loved him after the game, and he did by no means bad.
no problem Simon
this is a great discussion.
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
It works both ways
Check out my video breakdown(up there^^) of Leftwich against the Redskins and you may see that he was far from as sharp as his stat line suggests
The point being, Dixon nearly won us a game against a very difficult defense. He has looked incredibly sharp in Camp and against the Detroit Lions, albeit against a second string defense, but also he had a second string OL, WR core as well. And he dominated them. Dominated. Thats what a potential 1st string QB should be doing against backups.
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought everybody was writing about how he struggled in camp
But I guess reports of that nature will always be kind of contradictory. And yeah, Dixon’s performance against the Lions was impressive. If you read my other comments in this post, I actually want him to get first team snaps to see what he can do. I just think it is too early to write him in as the starter after one sharp preseason game. Oh and about your break down: you knock on some of Leftwich’s completions because they required great catches, but the same was true about Dixon’s play against the Lions. If I remember correctly, at least 2 passes were not good throws. Plus 80 of his yards came on the two runs after the catch by battle and brown.
So do I.
Im trying to not be blind and say Dixon should start. I just want him to be given the opportunity to start with the 1st team, if he stinks, then so be it. But if we start losing with Leftwich, I dont wanna sit here thinking “what couldve been”
Great debate, cheers for staying civil. Much appreciated
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget...
All of those game Leftwich played in, the teams practiced all week thinking Ben was the guy. It’s a different ballgame when a team isn’t prepared for you when you come in.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, but not entirely...
Baltimore had three days to prep for Dixon, and Dixon likewise.
Leftwich came in off the bench, completely unexpected, as far as the defense was concerned. They worked all week watching tape on Ben.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Ben wasn't ruled out until Saturday
But I guess my memory fails me on that. You could also flip the script though and say that Dixon had time to prepare for starting, while Leftwich didn’t. It can always go both ways…
I did flip that script...
“and Dixon likewise.” :)
A back up QB’s job is to prepare as if he were the starter, because he can play at a moments notice. For that, I give both Dixon and Leftwich props for being prepared.
On the other hand, I’d like to see how many defensive coordinator’s prepare their defenses for a back up QB in practice during the week leading up to the game. I bet not many, unless they’ve got reason to believe it was more than likely they’d see them of course.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it would be to difficult
to prep against Leftwich….be about the same as preping against Art Rooney’s statue ouside the stadium. They’re about equal in mobility. Lefty is either going to drop back and pass or hand off.
which would then mean that
the defense was more prepared for Leftwich than for Dixon, and Leftwich still did better? That’s actually a great argument for Leftwich
to prep against Leftwich….be about the same as preping against Art Rooney’s statue ouside the stadium.
That’s hilarious dude.
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by PixburghArn on Aug 17, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Leftwich isn't a very good passer in my book.
He is still rocketing the ball in there like he did early in his career, He still has that elongated delivery. He’s never really learned touch. Because the guy has a rocket arm doesn’t make him a good passer. I’m not saying the guy is total crap. He’s OK, but IMO, it makes more sense to start a guy who is currently playing at a similiar level, but gives the team more options.
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by idiscgolftexas on Aug 18, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly the team options
there is nothing wrong with a QB who knows when to escape the target and gain positive yardage with his pencil legs
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Hands down the most eloquent and well-written argument for Dixon ever written, anywhere.
THis needs to be faxed/emailed/sent by courier pigeon to Tomlin, ASAP.
Do not stop at Arians desk, do not pass go.
Yes, I like Byron. I remember the game in college where his linemen had to carry him to the line of scrimmage between plays. Dude has heart, he sure seems like a quality individual, and he has seen success in Jacksonville and with the Steelers when called upon. I really care less about his mechanics, his lack of footspeed, his absence of ‘touch’…He’s a good player, and capable of leading the team.
But we have a young man that will be leaving us in the not too distant future because he’s starter-worthy. I believe, like several others who have stated the same thing here, that when Dixon leaves (not an “if,” but a definite “when”) he will be leaving to become a starter, and he will find success. I’d like to see us reap the rewards of a great draft pick, as well as markedly improve his trade stock at the same time.
My two centavos.
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What I've Seen
From what I’ve seen of them. Dixon deserves a chance with first team against New York. Let’s see what he can do. It’s preseason. Why not mix it up?
I don't know...
first off, it’s a nice article, well written and argued. But I don’t know if I can completely agree with your perspective… Just yet.
As has been pointed out above, there are two (obvious) major differences between Leftwich and Dixon. First, Dixon is a mobile quarterback that has no problem taking off and running if the space isn’t there, while Leftwich is more of a typical pocket passer, less able to move. Behind what our line showed in the first game, that would obviously be an advantage for Dixon. But keep in mind that this was the first game-time action the line got, and that they should improve of that. We might not have a great line come September 12, but I fully expect them to be at least decent. Also, more than once Dixon took off running when he had deeper options to throw to. Imagine a game against the Ravens (great front 7, suspect secondary) in which that happens, and he gets blasted while Mike Wallace/Hines War would have been open for the TD. All theory, but man, we would hate him.
The second difference is their respective experience. I know calling Dixon unproven is probably a cliche by now, but that’s exactly what he is. People point out his performance against the Ravens, but forget to mention that he sealed that game with his interception. Not all that great. In college, if I recall correctly, he ran out of a option/spread offense, which made him need a ton of adjustment for the pro game. Yeah, he was a leading Heisman candidate, but how many times have we seen those not turn out well? Remember Tim Tebow, greatest college quarterback of all time? I think many of us agree that he will have a less than stellar year and maybe even career in the NFL. On the other hand, you got Leftwich, who has been been there, done that. Even with the Steelers. He stepped in twice for Ben behind a line that was at least as bad, completed 21 of his 36 passes, had a quarterback rating of over 104, threw 2 touchdowns and most notably no interceptions. His last season in Tampa? A short one in which he had trouble adjusting to a new system, and got pitted against a young quarterback that the organization saw as its future. Not a good prerequisite.
Now, I am not saying that we should disregard the first preseason game. In there, Leftwich looked average at best while Dixon looked sharp. However, we should also not forget that 80 of his 128 yards came as YAC on the two throws to Battle and Brown, which inflated his statistics a little bit. And according to several beat writers such as Dale Lolley (IIRC), Dixon has had a shaky camp that had some great highlights, but included quite some bad decisions, interceptions, and wrong reads as well. People are quick to forget that over one preseason game.
In a nutshell, as we all probably have heard many times by now, Dixon is the game changer while Leftwich is a game manager. And a better than people give him credit for. If you have a dominant defense and a running game that is said to get back on course, who would you rather have for four games? The guy you might win you games with his ability but might just as well lose them? Or the guy who you might not trust to win the game alone, but with whom everyone on the team knows what they are gonna get? If this was a team that hasn’t had a lot of success, of course you go with the upside. But the Steelers, as Coach Tomlin loves to point out, have a different “standard of expectations”. We cannot afford to trust a guy that obviously still has inconsistencies.
When Tomlin was asked after yesterday’s practice if Dixon deserved reps with the first team, he responded with a wink: “he just might!” I think this is the right approach. It is too early to elevate Dixon into the next big thing. All he has done so far is showing that he deserves more opportunities. Should he get them for the rest of camp and preseason? Absolutely. But I don’t think at all that he should already be penciled in as the starter for Atlanta.
Building a meritocracy, or not
For all of Tomlin’s grandiose statements, his biggest weakness appears to be rewarding individual output. Last year, during that dreadful losing streak, all of the starters kept their jobs despite Tomlin’s promise to unleash hell and make changes. This is the first (and only time, in my memory) Tomlin ended up with the proverbial pie on his face.
James Farrior was playing terrible and Keyaron Fox, who played lights out when in the game, rode the pine. Two years ago, Larry Foote lost his starting job based on Timmons’ promise, not production. The results showed on the field last year.
Dennis Dixon has, to this point, outplayed Byron Leftwich. I don’t care who played with the first team and who didn’t: one guy was the best on the field when given the chance, the other looked like he was treading water.
Leftwich is the status quo and the choice that won’t lose the game. But YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. Even if Dixon played with the practice squad on Saturday, it was clear that only one man had the ability to win games, while the other has become renown for not blowing them.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Aug 17, 2010 6:49 AM EDT reply actions
but he hasn't "to this point outplayed Byron Leftwich"
he did that in one preseason game. For much of training camp, Leftwich looked better if I remember my readings well. I don’t know why people continue to ignore that.
Good point
We obviously haven’t been able to see whats going in practice. But whether or not he doesn’t look good in practice. You have to give the guy a chance to show his mettle one the field. Even if its for only 1 drive. Just to see what you have. He was good enough for it to be a question whether or not who was going to be the QB, so give him a chance to prove it. I say in the next preseason game, let leftwich start the first series, and then dixon start the next. If Dixon does well keep him in the game, if he doesn’t bring back leftwich. Then you’ll have more information to make a better decision for the 3rd pre-season game. Missing a couple of snaps with the first team offense in the 2nd pre-season game isn’t going to hurt Leftwich.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 17, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I absolutely agree
I want Dixon to show his talents with the first team O in the preseason, absolutely. If he continues to shine there, I will definitely change my opinion and say start him. I just am not ready to buy into giving him the starting job for the first four games based on just one preseason game.
Which would you rather have?
A training camp hero, or a guy that can win when the real whistle blows?
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Redman. Helloooo? ;)
seriously though, Leftwich has shown that he can win for us when the lights are on. So I don’t know what you are getting at… Of course the coaches have to take camp into evaluation when choosing their starter, don’t you think?
Leftwich has shown
that he can be a caretaker for us when the lights are on and teams have not had the luxury of game planning for him (yes, I saw discussion above). He played a total of I think 5 quarters for us and somehow he is a hero to many (Redskins, Cleveland and part of ?).
I am in the Leftwich must go camp. If he starts the first four games for the Steelers, he will get destroyed. We will be lucky to be 1-3. The only hope is that the D keeps it close so that perhaps the Steelers can win games 9-7 or some such.
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by chewiesteeler on Aug 17, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But Dixon played a total of 4 quarters plus some preseason
and somehow he is the hero? It can go both ways…
Which one is the one who wins when the whistle blows?
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a good question
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by PixburghArn on Aug 17, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Leftwich nor Dixon has a winning record as a starter, so...
I’m not sure.
Leftwich has wins at least. Just under half the number of interceptions he’s thrown, but wins none the less.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Leftwich has never started a game for the Steelers
juast saying
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
This is true...
And he has been on the victorious side everytime he has played, I think.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No he was on the losing end in the Eagles game,
mopped up in blowouts against Texans & Bengals. Redskins game took over for Ben because of injury and the last Game of the season against Cleveland because of injury. Take a look at the stats from the Redskins and Browns games and you can see the story.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Ah yes, mop up duty...
How quick I am to forget those games.
The stat line for those two games combined (Washington and Cleveland):
14 of 22 for 209 yards and one TD (also one rushing TD… somehow).
In reality, pedestrian numbers (maybe at best). No turnovers though to his credit. Perhaps we remember those games too fondly, just because we won despite no Ben?
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-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
like I said above
not a game changer, but a game manager. If he would do that again for us (which, granted, might not happen), we should be alright the first 4 games.
Defense has to be stellar like in the Redskins and Browns game
and the running game better be on
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by PixburghArn on Aug 17, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You may appreciate my breakdown above
As i support your points about him vs Washington
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was a given for the first four games anyways
regardless of Leftwich or Dixon. No matter who plays, if we want to win those games our D and running game better be clicking.
We can have less of a running game with Dixon
And the Dee will have to keep the score lower IMO with Leftwich. Just my opinion.
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by PixburghArn on Aug 18, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
but the D might also be put in worse spots
because Dixon is expected to make more plays, but also more mistakes. Of course, I don’t fancy myself expert enough to judge the validity of that.
Why not expect him to make as many plays
as Leftwich? Why expect more? Keep the expectation level the same and hope he exceeds it.
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by PixburghArn on Aug 18, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
alright
but if he makes ‘only’ as many plays and more mistakes, I really don’t see an argument for him anymore. I thought that was the whole reason to put him in over Leftwich, because he can make more plays as the pocket breaks down.
that goes with the expectations
If you are expecting Leftwich to start and make no mistakes you are not using a clear mind. Don’t take the Steeler stats. Take the stats from his starts. Career stats with the most recent being the real measuring stick.
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by PixburghArn on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
not no mistakes
but less. And I don’t think Dixon would have done any better on that terrible Tampa team, but now we’re really drifting into personal opinions.. You always have to view the stats in context, otherwise I’d still argue that Dixon had a terrible game against the Ravens (PCI convinced me otherwise :p)
The stats speak for themselves
The stats are what we are using so let the stats speak. I don’t have to convince you. You have to convince yourself in light of the stats.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
true
but like I said, that means Dixon had a bad game against the ravens, which is what most people here were basing at least part of their opinions on
Which is why I said
There is no clear choice. The only thing is….Leftwich has been doing bad for years and Dixon hasn’t been doing it for too long.
what would you rather have? Proven bad or bad but still learning with flashes of potential?
My asnwer to that is it depends. So i’m not sure, but I like the second choice a little better at this time.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
well, and we are almost on the same page
just that I want to see Dixon with some first team snap before making my decision. All I was originally asking for was not calling for him as the starter already after one game against the ravens and one preseason game with and against 2nd and 3rd teamers. So we’re all good :)
Ben hasnt put his D in tough spots before
werent we bottom half in the league in offense when we won the Super Bowl.
Our D is our team. they are solid. Then can keep you in games.
Trust in Dixon Simon
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
ok but that can go for Leftwich as well then
because remember? ‘defense had to be stellar in the Redskins game’. I’m ready to give Dixon a serious shot, but not ready to completely trust in him yet ;)
use Leftwich's starts
not Steelers games. Put Leftwich’s starts to Dixon’s start.
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by PixburghArn on Aug 18, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben hasnt put his D in tough spots before
That’s not what she said
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by PixburghArn on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the Commissioner
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 19, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
they do
it will be our running game who wins it for us. That is why we need another option in the backfield
Dixon
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
still not terrible
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by PixburghArn on Aug 17, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Dixon
One of the biggest coaching mistakes last season was putting the reigns on Dixon in last year’s Baltimore game, particularly in the overtime.
Not only had Dixon run for a TD when he was put on the edge, but the ONLY other play that game that he was permitted to venture onto the edge, he threw a TD pass.
The fear of injury, particularly in the OT, where one more first down puts the Steelers on the cusp of winning field goal range, was inexcuseable.
Exactly
Over time makes it worse, play to win the game, when you play not to lose you lose. The one thing I don’t like the most about Tomlin is that he either agrees too much with Arians because he feels like he doesn’t know enough about offense to seriously overturn his recommendations or that he just doesn’t have the balls to override Arains decisions.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 17, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yet if he would have had one more run and gotten injured, we would have hated Arians too
don’t get me wrong, I was screaming at the TV to let him loose as well. But hind sight is always 20/20, because Arians was actually right on one thing: if you don’t have an alternative, you better make sure that your first option doesn’t fail (i.e. gets injured).
I would have respected it
If he got hurt ok, thats football. But there is no point in playing if you scared of getting hurt. Thats the nature of the game, if you scared of getting hurt then don’t play. In overtime a one time situation – when your starter will be back next week – making sure your first option doesn’t fail means using his strengths. If Dixon was to get injured you could at least say they were trying to win the game. But dixon is healthy and they lost anyways. What did gain from that?
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 17, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
in overtime, I do agree
I was thinking more about the game in general, where I can understand them not wanting to have him get hurt because there was no back up. In over time though, they should have turned him loose…
On the radio last night I heard a reporter paraphrase something Tomlin said just after his press conference was over. The reporter had turned his mike off, but claims that Tomlin said something to the effect of
“You guys are tiring me out with these QB questions; I may have to start telling you the truth soon.”
I wonder what this means. It could be nothing – just that he is tired of the safe pr coached answers that everyone seems to give like the first game was a “good start” etc. But it could mean, and I’m probably being ridiculous here, that Tomlin does have a plan to get Dixon in there to a much greater extent than we’re currently imagining. Maybe that’s just as a change up package like has been mentioned before. Or perhaps Tomlin hasn’t wanted defenses to get a bunch of tape on Dixon and his offense, so that when he trots onto the field in September as the starter, he has a little more edge. Wishful thinking – sure. But I’m optimistic Tomlin knows Dixon has to be on the field.
I think you may be right...
As the preseason progresses, Dixon will continue to out-perform BL. It’s pretty clear that Dixon is the better choice, though Tomlin/Arians may be leading us all on, having us believe that it’s BL’s position to lose. I’m sure they would rather their opponents to start game planning for BL instead of Dixon. I wouldn’t disagree with this approach, but Dixon could use more snaps with the 1st team (which will lessen due to Ben’s return at some point).
I strongly feel that if BL gets the nod over Dixon, it will tear the team apart because it wouldn’t be based off performance. Fans will be torn too, as evident by reading these posts.
I had a bad connection last week, so only saw a few plays before the half. What I saw, while BL was still in, was movement in the backfield that was calling out for DD and his ball handling skills. With BL’s ball handling, they would be better used as blockers, but with DD’s, the ball could have gone 3 or 4 different directions. Maybe this is the future.
I don't understand the reasoning
If the team thought so highly of Dixon when they drafted him why not see what you got for your money. And if they don’t plan on keeping him at least they should spotlight him and possibly get a good draft pick for him next year.
they drafted him in the fifth round
injury and all, that suggests nobody thought unconditionally highly on the guy. Sweed had a season ending injury that year too, and he went in the second. Obviously, once he was with the team, they would tell everybody how great he was (which to a degree, of course it makes sense, he obviously has the potential). And what makes you think they aren’t showcasing him by having him pad his stats against backups? If that would be their plan (which I doubt, I think they are focused on this season), playing him with the starters and risking a poor showing would be more risky than playing him against practice squad bodies.
Draft round doesn't make a difference
Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Looking back, would you rather have had Dixon in round 5 or Brady? I know they were different draft classes, but for the sake of my argument, yadda blah yadda…
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 17, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
ummm
that only means that the Patriots liked 5 guys better than Brady at the time they drafted him. Don’t start with hindsight again, because this was only about ‘thinking highly about Dixon when they drafted him’, not afterwards.
That also means that 31 other teams passed on brady multiple times as well.
That’s all I’m saying. You can’t have what round a player was taken in the draft be the qualifier as to how he performs. Otherwise, James Harrison might very well be in the CFL, or something.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
once again, that's not my argument whatsoever
I am gonna repeat it one more time: I was arguing against the Steelers thinking highly of him when they drafted him. Which, since it happened in the fifth round, can’t have been that high. Not after they drafted him and saw his value. Or are you going to try and tell me that the Steelers thought highly of Harrison before they cut him?
Harrison never got a chance to shine
And neither has Dennis, IMO. Since he hasn’t had that chance, I guess they really don’t think too highly of him.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
yeah, but that's a whole different argument now
for me the argument was not about whether they do think highly of him right now, but whether they did when they drafted him. Not what happened the three years in between.
he was an injured prospect.. Dixon
he was on pace to become a finalist for the Heisman. Played phenomenal in Michigan and in Arizona St. His knee was jacked up vs Arizona with i think 4 games left. Oregon fell flat on their face that year.. But w/e Dixon was injured and noone wanted to risk a pick on an injured dual threat qb. he has recovered well.
Now Harrison being cut by us and other teams. I dont know. but i’m gladhe is with us
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
oh hell yeah, me too
so that’s definitely not where I am coming from. But as I said above, Sweed was injured and out for his last college season too, and he still went second round. Can’t have all been on the injury that Dixon dropped so far…
Just think
if Harrison had caught on with the ravens when he was with them
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank Redman
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I would like
to have seen James Harrison playing for Winnipeg but I think he is best where he is playing now.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Well put MR...
Nothing to add except +1.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
All I want
Is for Dixon to get snaps with the first team. If after that the coaches decide to go with Leftwich, so be it. But I think it’s shortsighted by the coaching staff to not at least see how he does when surrounded by the starters.
Give the kid a chance. Let him show what he can do, cause it might surprise you.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 17, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
"Iron sharpens iron." - Mike Tomlin
Tomlin is making Dixon win the starting job. That’s a lot less pressure than giving the job to him and risking failure. He WILL get his chance with the first unit, if not this coming week, then in “the all important third week” of the exhibition season.
The coaching staff seems to be operating with a sense of urgency this year. The moves to bolster the offensive line and the quick promotion of Pouncey are evidence of that. They know that last year’s team – minus BB for the first four games and Holmes for the season – would probably finish no higher than third in the division. Change is afoot.
My guess is that Dixon will either win the starting job or – just as likely – share it with Lefty.
Sharing it with Lefty has one advantage: the opponents will have the plan for two very different QBs. Advantage: Steeler offense.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Snaps with the first team
Your point is interesting, Homer. I’ve seen you share it around before. The only thing that’s weird is that Dix is getting almost no snaps with the first team through all of OTAs and so far in training camp.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 17, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
though one can argue that BL doesn't warrant a complex game plan....
He doesn’t move in or throw from the pocket great, is not very accurate, and is not a great fit for our offense as a whole, considering the o-line troubles.
Why Is Dixon on the Roster???
If this kid is not ready to play after all the time the coaches have had with him over the past few years they have either screwed up his development or he is a bust. Period. Bringing in Leftwich surprised me because I had been hearing nothing but glowing praise for Dixon’s development prior to Ben’s suspension. Apparently it was all BS and they love him as long as they don’e have to play him
Dennis Dixon Vote of Confidence
Congratulations on a well written and logical approach to the Steeler’s quarterback situation. Dixon deserves a vote of confidence by the Steelers and an opportunity to prove himself. What a better time than during Ben’s 4-6 game suspension. They can always pull Dixon if there is a situation that requires it. Tomlin stated it is too early to form judgements, however that is exactly what he has done by not giving a vote of confidence to Dennis Dixon.
I know we as Steeler fans have a short span of patience and expect instant results. Dennis is no replacement for Ben, however consider this. What if Ben were to be hurt. Who would we turn to? Charlie Batch is not the future. He is and would be a great coach and help to Ben and to whoever plays quarterback for the Steelers.
Again, great article. I’m glad you stepped up and wrote it. I just wish that Tomlin could be open to considering the logic you posed in your article.
Thanks,
Thunder
by Thundercraft29 on Aug 17, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Very good points MR
I have been in Dixon’s corner from day one. I will admit that I can see what I think the coaches may see as far as short comings of Dixon, BUT and that’s a big but, I don’t think he has the kind of flaws that warrant Leftwich being favored over him. I’m just waiting this out. Another game like the past weekend and I expect a change.
Interesting I point I just thought of. This week it may be Leftwich playing with second teamers. Let’s see how he does with them. I’m almost willing to bet he doesn’t do what Dixon did with them.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
He should throw to Brown
all day if he gets stuck on 2nd team. That guy is trying to make the team, and could make him Lefty look better.
"I sweat at the sound of hearing the names of Harrison and Woodley."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 17, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post MR
I always enjoy your historic posts, but I extremely enjoy when you talk current issues. You always have a good and level-headed view on a situation.
Dixon for president!
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
MR for President!
Serving conditionally under Redman who is Dictator for Life.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 17, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a new candidate in Giants land
his name is Victor Cruz.
Cruz vs. Redman
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Thanks Mary
This is the kind of thought provoking post that separates BTSC from other blogs.
I think the issue of Dixon being “ready” relates to the direction and expectations of the team at the present.
If the Steelers were in rebuilding mode, Dixon is a no-brainer as the starter. The high expectations of the organization keeps Leftwich in the mix due to his experience and lower risk. Personally, I agree with you that we lose nothing if Dixon starts and gets hurt before BB comes back. I like Byron as Dixon’s backup to start the season and give Dixon the first four games to gain the readiness everyone wants.
One of the most cogent and succinct
arguments I’ve seen here in a long time. Well done, Maryrose and everybody else.
I agree that Dixon has more value than BL, but I haven’t seen camp, so I’m forced to assume that BL is outcamping Dixon.
My heros have always been Steelers...
The Starting Steeler QB...
had better be “Ready” to run. That put’s Dixon one, Radle El two and Leftwich not on the roster. Kidding about cutting Leftwich of course, if the line is that bad all season doesn’t matter who plays QB. Dixon can and will win a defensive game with his legs while the middle and right side of that line learns how to play. Do you think BB saw Detroit kill them and asked Goodell for the full 6 games?
This is complicated stuff, but here's my take.
I generally agree with MR’s assessment. Given his performance this past Saturday and during his previous tenure, Byron Leftwich is a decent substitute teacher, but not frontline material. On the other hand, for all his faults Dixon has the potential to be a top of the line quarterback in this league. Dixon’s biggest ‘fault’ is that there is continuing suspicion in the NFL about running quarterbacks. This goes back generations to when Fran Tarkenton and Roger Staubach drew criticism for being too impatient and not being disciplined pocket passers. And to be fair, Dixon does have a tendency to run when in doubt regardless of whether that is the best option or not. (Ben had a tendency to do that in his first year or two as well.) But of course there is no substitute for game experience. Or, if you don’t believe that, then at least more reps with the number ones in practice.
But I think what Tomlin is doing is a bit more complicated than just choosing between Leftwich and Dixon. As recent press reports have hinted, I think he may believe that together, Leftwich and Dixon may add up to a pretty potent offense. At this stage, Leftwich is certainly the better game manager. In addition, he will have more than passing knowledge of two of our four early opponents, Tampa Bay and Tennessee. Dixon plays change of pace or sparkplug. He comes in as a change of pace, not like Kordell, not like the Wildcat, but more like what they attempted to do in Philly last year with Michael Vick. In theory this would maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses of each player, while creating preparation problems for opposing defenses (which is why Tomlin would want to keep his plans under his hat so to speak). Such a system would make it difficult for teams to simply pin their ears back and blitz the Steelers to death because of Leftwich’s relative immobility. The change of pace role would, in theory, reduce the issues of mistakes or injury that would be the chief concerns about Dixon.
Finally, and this may be the really brilliant part, the Dixon package could continue throughout the season, and would be a solid insurance plan against the rust that Ben may have upon his return. In this manner we now have a way of having our cake and eating it too. Dixon gains experience on an incremental level as insurance against injury or character issues with Ben, and it makes the offense that much more difficult to prepare for.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Aug 17, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
This is pretty much what I am thinking
Dixon’s role after Ben returns with be as a change of pace QB who will be used to shake things up but to do this effectively he does need time with the first team offense as well.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the Steelers liked to run the ball??
For a team whose strategy and philosophy has always been to run the ball, I don’t understand why the Steelers organization gets upset when their quarterback does just that. I went to Oregon with Dixon, and know what he’s capable of. It’s not hard for anyone watching to see what he’s capable of – he has a great ability to catch the defense off guard and make plays. Just ask the Lions or the Ravens. Big Ben spoke in his favor yesterday, and Hines Ward was even more vocal about it. I don’t understand why the Steelers organization is being so narrow minded and acting like the guy is some inexperienced Rookie. Very sad when he could do a lot for this team that has always been a spark team and gone for the element of surprise.
I don't get it
Ben and Ward lobbied for Dixon to get first team snaps, not to start. And what did Tomlin say when asked about Dixon getting first team snaps? he said “he just might”, with a smile that may say more than a thousand words. And Tomlin and Arians have both hinted at a special package for Dixon to get him on the field. How is this organization narrow minded when it comes to Dixon again?
Yeah, you don't get it
Did you read the article? Have they yet to do these things? He has not taken a single snap as of last week with the starters. The real chance to compete has not been there.
You're right
they have not yet done those things. But I for one actually trust that before preseason is over, Dixon will have gotten at least some snaps with the first team. Until then, it’s kinda moot to argue if the organization is narrow minded or not. If he won’t you are right. If he does, well, it’s the other way around.
I honestly cannot wait until DD goes into free agency
That or be traded. I am getting the feeling he will never start for the steelers, and I desperately want to see what he is capable of in the NFL.
this is his one chance for starting
He’ll never start above Ben.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a theory on why the Steelers would pass on Dixon at this time
It seems a bit illogical, but then again, so does the current situation. Ben was suspended 6 games maybe for his behavior. What if he has another mental lapse? Maybe the Steelers, publicly or no, have placed him on no tolerence probation? Would they wait a whole season for their $100 million QB ? If they used Dixon and he had success, it would make it that much harder to retain him for the future. What I’m saying is what if the Steelers don’t entirely trust that BB will shape up, and fear losing his potential replacement? I said it sounds illogical. Not using the guy you drafted, and developed, who’s talented and very athletic, when you have the luxury of knowing when he’ll play, because you have a “veteran” you could use? Now that sounds crazy.
If the Steelers though
Ben would have another mental lapse, they would not have brought him back.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S. to maryrose
I thoroughly enjoyed your book. Thank you.
Usually the merchandise commercials hijack my posts around thread #14. Someone must be asleep at the switch.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
You should see that as flattery
As they usually only do it in the most commented posts, and yours are always the best.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
sometimes I get them before you see them too
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 17, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
merchcomm spray. lol Just kidding, I usually ban them right away so they stop the spamming. and then delete the spam quickly.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
ninja
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The odds are with Leftwich
Ask any NFL coach who he’d start in the current situation, and maybe 2 out of 10 would pick Dixon. You always go with experience. Dixon has tons of potential, but I don’t see how he deserves to start in front of a guy with Leftwich’s resume. Byron has had the misfortune of playing for a bunch of mediocre teams, none of whom could ever decide what they wanted to do on offense. Sure Dixon can run, but he still has a lot to learn. Except in an emergency situation (Lefty goes down), the regular season is no time for on-the-job training.
Have you not seen the recent Rookie Revolution
Coaches are caring less and less about throwing the inexperienced guy into the fire. The only way to get experienced, is to play in the real deal.
Not to mention, Leftwich played for a pretty damn good Jacksonville team. They had an incredibly strong running game with Fred Taylor, and in the last season with the addition of MJD, plus a crushing defense that kept them in games.
Lets break him down eh?
2003:
Rushing Attack: 8th.
Total Defense: 6th
Record as Starter: 5-8
2004
Rushing Attack: 16th
Total Defense: 11th
Record as Starter: 8-6
2005
Rushing Attack: 10th
Total Defense: 6th
Record as Starter: 8-3
(This season should be noted that David Garrard took over in the 11th game to win Leftwichs “8th win”. The Jaguars would go 5-1(inc that 11th game) to finish 12-4 with Garrard at the helm)
2006
Rushing Attack: 3rd
Total Defense: 2nd
Record as Starter: 3-3
(David Garrard took over to go 5-5, proving his mediocrity as well)
Overall Record: 24-20
A winning record of .600. With a top half Rushing Attack and Defense for the majority of his years in Jacksonville, he failed to produce. He also failed to show any signs of durability with Jacksonville.
Im not convinced at all with Leftwich. He had monsterous oppurtunities on a very good Jacksonville team, and the fact that Jacksonville hit its peak as soon as Leftwich left speaks volumes to me
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Jags
have always sucked and they still do. But not because of poor recruiting or because their players aren’t good athletes. They’re rotten at the top—in the front office—and there’s absolutely no cure for that. Leftwich did about as well as you could expect there (and also in Atlanta and Tampa Bay) considering the turkeys he was working with. Garrard was just another good QB that Jacksonville ruined. If Byron can avoid injury, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Sorry but
“The Jags have always sucked” is such an ignorant comment
Ive just shown you that they havent. They went to the playoffs, deep into the playoffs in fact, had OUR number for a long time. In fact for awhile there, they were playing Steeler football better than the Steelers.
I will agree their Front Office sucks which has caused their downfall, but the fact is they had a very talented team when Leftwich was around and he couldnt make anything out of it.
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4MV5gCkQAY
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 18, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Omg
Why Johnny…why?!
One thing I’ll say about that is well done to the Jacksonville blocker who got to Farrior(maybe its Foote) who was the spy and picked out that Garrard was gonna run
The other I’ll say is Tyrone Cement F@#&ing shoes Carter
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Both the Center and the RB
made their blocks. I would think it was the center who made the key block there.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
harrison was held
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hold? block?
no difference if there isn’t a flag. ;-)
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 20, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
very true
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Also Polamalu was held.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Aug 21, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I know what it is
and I just can’t bare to watch
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Worked for Big Ben
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Aug 18, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You always go with experience.
Not always. Just saying….
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 18, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
2004 we went with someone with no experience
Man that turned out shit…..lets never do that again….
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I posted a Breakdown of Byrons tape vs Washington Above
Could interest a few of you who are supporting Leftwich by saying he was very effective for us against Washington. The link to the video is above. You may be surprised to see how often the Receivers actually bailled out Byron.
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
For what it's worth
I answered with my take. Obviously we both have different angles, so we saw quite some different things apparently :)
No problems
I really enjoyed the debate with ya. Even if we are on different sides. Respect
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
back at ya
I know one thing though: Come September 12th, we will be on the same side, and that’s all that matters.
Kerry Collins - Vince Young
This is an age-old question. Experience or athleticism? I think the plan is to make Dixon fight for it and improve in the process, therefore if he wins out, you have a better player and if he loses out you have great depth and possible subpackages you can still use. Why settle it now? Let the competition continue, give him the start in game three, (you have to start Big Ben in game four) and study the tape. Ease him in, because although I understand Maryrose’s point, I think you have to feel your players out and give them as much as they can handle. Several young starters have worked with limited playbooks. Ben did it. Sanchez did it last year. Flacco did it in 08. Work him in from the ground up and see what you get.
These were my two cents. I’ll leave you with a little Joe Pa nugget:
“I’d rather start a young guy one game too late than one game too soon”
-Joe Paterno
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Thats the point many of us have.
He passed the first test (blazing up the Lions second stringers)
We just want to see him be allowed to progress further, and get some 1st team reps against a first team defense. Ease him in like you say. If he continues to show the type of progress we are all hoping to see, then by all means give him the job.
If not, then hes not ready. At least have it PROVEN that he is or isnt ready, rather than having us all think “what couldve been” if (or when) we stumble with Leftwich at Quarterback
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
and here we completely agree
give him first team reps, let him see what he can do. But don’t appoint him the starter before you actually know how he performs with and against first teamers.
Some of the commenters here are so blinded by hype (and by 1 preseason game). I’m not saying that Dixon doesn’t deserve a chance … he does … but the safe choice isn’t him … and you look really silly when you discredit a veteran NFL passer leading a TD drive in favor of a totally unproven QB with minutes of real experience.
grain of salt
He led a touchdown drive.
Dixon led 2 touchdown drives against the Ravens. Ravens > Redskins.
Im not saying blindly to start him, but by everything I have heard about, Leftwich has been average at camp, whereas from most reports Dixon has been very good in training camp, and further emphasised that point by dismantling the Lions in preseason, whereas Leftwich looked awful and slow.
I just want the most in form and ready Quarterback to start the season for us.
Right now, from all angles that is Dixon.
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 18, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
like I said above
I actually read that Dixon was struggling to pick up coverages and threw quite some interceptions, while Leftwich looked calm. Just yesterday, he performed the best out of all QBs (including Ben) in a Redzone drill, going 5/5 with 3 TD passes. Dixon actually did the worst with just one TD. So the most in form and ready quarterback is not necessarily Dixon, especially not from “all angles”. I think we really do need the last 3 preseason games to judge who that is. Oh and by the way, if you want to play that game, Leftwich led two TD drives against the Redskins (including the Parker 1yd TD run), in one half. But don’t take that too seriously :)
in practice
no way Lefty does that in a game.
I’m sure in a real game Ben goes 10/5
and Dixon does better as well.
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
but see, we don't know that yet
all we can go by is practice and one preseason game, and the latter is skewed because they played with different units and against different people (I know I know, we are going in circles…)
That's ironic....
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
my take is...
Experience only counts if it isn’t a bad experience. Lefty’s career hasn’t exactly been stellar, I’d even call it bad. He was an anchor around the Jags neck for years. I would much rather take a chance and see if Dixon can be good, rather than just settle for mediocre to poor play at QB.
Also, even if Lefty plays fantastic for 4 games and leads us to 4-0 (which I doubt) there isn’t a team in the league who would trade a used jock for him. If Dixon plays well we’ll have a choice of either trading him for a draft pick or signing him long term as a backup. Without giving him a chance, he just walks after this year for nothing. He also just may make us regret not keeping him around depending on where he lands, and there is no way he resigns as a backup with us if he never gets a chance to play.
Dennis Dixon
After watching the replay of the 1st preseason game, the issue of Leftwich vs. Dixon, it became clear why Leftwich is running with the starters. With his ineffective play, the path will be much clearer to insert Ben when he returns than it would be with Dixon as the starter. With Dennis as your starter there will be no doubt, a quarteback controversy. Ineffective play by Leftwich and no problem when Ben returns. On the other hand, with Dixon’s smooth play and ability to move the offense then there is the issue of how to place Ben back in the driver seat. True, its Ben job as the starter but, all you want from the backup is to put the team in the best position to be in contention when Ben does return. Don’t have time nor the space to explain the entire situation. This situation has happened before (Joe Gilliam / Terry Bradshaw) for the younger fans of the Steeler Nation. Tell me what’s your take on this post!
that's a stretch
Do you honestly believe Tomlin would risk dropping the first 4 games just to avoid a potential (and not very likely) quarterback controversy? I think you’re over-analyzing the situation.
Whoever starts will have a game plan put in for his skill set and if he isn’t productive, the other will play. After 4 games they will both go to the bench.
MR
This is a great post.(i’ll spell it correct for you)
You have brought great discussion amongst each other.
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Generally Agree But....
I generally agree with the argument Mary Rose makes. The Steelers/Tomlin should have give Dixon a fair shot at starting.
However, I to take issue with his argument that the Steelers were wrong to keep him on a tight leash against Baltimore last year. While that might not have been desirable, it was absoutely necessary — the Steelers were one play away from having Tyler Plako taking snaps under center.
And while everyone should be encouraged by Dixon’s play against Detroit, regular season performance should hold more weight. Leftwich did well for the Steelers.
Dixon did well too, but he clearly had a more difficult time when he got beyond the dozen or so plays that Bruce Arians and company had scripted for him.
by Hombre de Acero on Aug 18, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
Zone defense
Actually I think that Dixon did great until half time and then Baltimore switched from blitzing him and running man in the backend to a zone look. All the sudden the reads weren’t as simple as, “Is my man in front of their man.” And he became hesitant, and they were spying him without bringing a ton of pressure making it hard for him to make plays outside the pocket.
And he was overwhelmed by it. No harm done, it’s a good defense. But I do worry that if he hasn’t matured to the point where he can get through his progressions against a good zone he’ll be sunk by good defensive game planning.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 18, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Think about the logic Hombre
“The Steelers were one play from Tyler Palko…” Losing a game with Tyler Palko is no different in the standings than losing because they were too conservative with Dixon. All we needed from Dixon last year was one game, one win. Ben was coming back the next week. Once that game got in overtime, I throw caution to the wind and let Dixon run his way into field goal range. We never used him again anyway. So what if we risk injury? We needed that win to get in the playoffs. If you think about, if Dixon would have scrambled into field goal range, it wouldn’t have mattered if on that play he broke his leg or not. He wasn’t going to play again one way or the other.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
EPIC THREAD!!!!!
And the first four games will probably be decided by our defense and our running game anyway.
grain of salt
but with Arians as our OC...
we all know that won’t happen. It’s all a moot point for now. Lefty will start the first game because Arians wants him in there. After one of Lefty’s old teams Atlanta has a chance to game plan for his many weaknesses, maybe we’ll see a change in week 2.

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