Dear Commissioner Goodell:
by maryrose on Aug 18, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
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Printmaryrose, aka Tim Gleason, is the author of the highly acclaimed book From Black To Gold: The Pittsburgh Steelers, available now. - Michael Bean -
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I wish not to re-hash the Ben Roethlisberger story. Steeler Nation is confused about what exactly happened in Georgia that night. Some of us jump to the worst conclusion, an egregious violation, while others tend to think that what happened between Big Ben and Miss Milledgeville was an audition for a sequel to Animal House. Hell, we can't even agree on who should take his place during his four-game sentence in the dog house, but I digress.
Oops, did I say dog house? Sorry, I know Michael Vick is pretty sensitive to that. After what he went through, I expect him to be mowing the lawn of every church in Philly. Instead, he gets into an argument with one of his dogfighting co-defendants at a birthday bash in Virginia Beach, who left the party and was shot in the leg. No problem there, Mr. Commissioner. Since the details of the incident are sketchy at best, you decided not to take action. After all, you would never want to act upon sketchy details or circumstantial evidence.
By the way, what was sketchy about Oakland Raiders' Coach Tom Cable's antics? Did you not believe Assistant Coach Randy Hanson, with .27 less alcohol in him than Miss Milledgeville, when he told us that Cable broke his jaw with a right cross in a coaches' meeting? Other assistants hush-hushed the matter, but it didn't stop two former women in Cable's life to come forward in interviews and claim that Cable physically and verbally abused them. Sandy Cable, a former spouse, absorbed a similar haymaker to Hanson's, while Maria Lutz told ESPN that Cable choked her and then ripped the phone off the wall when she tried to call the police. Lutz ended up in emergency, but hey, I'm really not detecting a pattern there, certainly not like Ben. You say that front office staff and coaches are held to a higher standard, so what exactly does Coach Cable have to do to get a one-game suspension? And who does he have to act like to get four games, Josey Wales?
I also see no pattern with Cincinnati Bengals running back Cedric Benson. In 2008, Benson was arrested after failing a sobriety test while operating a 30-foot boat, then resisting arrest before being hit with pepper spray and dragged ashore by officers. Two months ago, Benson was arrested and charged with assault with injury after an incident at a bar, where officials said he punched a bar employee in the face, according to an arrest affidavit.
Apparently, incidents in bars involving alcohol don't bother you, or maybe just bother you sometimes. Or maybe you use Eeny-Meeny-Miny-Mo to figure out who to punish and who to shrug off. Certainly, Vince Young was glad he didn't land on Mo. Young received a misdemeanor citation for assault at a Dallas-area strip club. Young didn't like seeing a man showing an upside-down hook-em-horns sign, so he got into an altercation, shown on video, that resulted in the man busting his lip. No problem. Boys will be boys.
At least Rey Maualuga, another Bengal, made his drunken victim a parking meter and two parked cars. Maualuga pleaded guilty to drunken driving in February and received a suspended sentence. Police said he hit a parking meter and two parked cars in northern Kentucky. He was charged with drunken and careless driving. Your response? Nada. Maybe if he would have killed someone instead of playing street pinball you might have taken action?
So what do Ben Roethlisberger, Michael Vick, Tom Cable, Cedric Benson, Vince Young and Rey Maualuga all have in common? They have all been involved with the law in the past year; Some with aggression, some with women, some with alcohol. And how many games did those six people collectively get suspended? The answer is four - all to one person. How do you explain that, Mr. Goodell? Did you not trust police reports, an assistant coach, a video camera and two women crying to ESPN?
Let's be clear here, Mr. Commissioner. I am not arguing on Ben's behalf. He's getting four games and that's that. Ben has accepted it, the Steelers accepted it and Steeler Nation has accepted it. But your selective sanctioning is appalling. You say you want to uphold the integrity of the shield. Well sir, you better have that shield handy the next time you see Tom Cable, or run into Vince Young, or find yourself at a social event with Michael Vick, because you just might need that shield to protect yourself from getting punched or shot.
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No idea what is up Goodell's ass these days
But if anybody (and I mean ANYBODY) does anything wrong, they should be punished.
Aside from Michael Vick’s latest “stint”, everybody you named should be suspended for at least A GAME!
However, my complaining won’t do much.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
Great write maryrose
it’s just a shame that it is to no avail as his royal assholiness Goodell does not have the ear pointed to the common fans. His only interest is $$$$ and how to make more of it. It takes but an iota of common sense to see the man has no pattern of disciplinary actions. I believe in all fairness, the discipline cases should be heard by a panel of seven people. 3 from the players union,3 from management and Goodell the chair with no vote unless to break a tie. He wields entirely too much power as it stands now.
I wonder how much money Goodell received
from the bengals organization to suspend Ben that long, and NOT Benson and Maualuga?
Cedric and Rey both got charged, and arrested. Not Ben.
Don’t forget about Shaun Rodgers, Tim. He committed a FEDERAL OFFENSE by carrying a concealed weapon in an airport, and attempting to board a plane with it. Any suspension? No! Any disciplinary actaion taken by the league? No!
How about that NY Giant who illegally transported an unregistered firearm across state lines with Plaxico Burress. Plex is in prison, and that guy hasn’t even seen the inside of Goodells office.
I think I see a pattern here. Of all of these players you and I have mentioned, only Ben is white. In the Cable incident, Goodell said right out that there was no validity to the claim against him (Cable). But a money grubber and a D.T.F. college chick can say Ben tried to assault them with Little Ben, with no clear evidence whatsoever, and Ben can get suspended for 6 games.
Now, what about the Bills (?) coach that got caught DUI? HE got a suspension, why won’t Maualuga?
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
You had me until you brought up race
Then you lost me
by worldtrip on Aug 18, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I love being pigeonholed
and profiled. Thanks. Make you feel good there? I hope so.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
It doesn't make sense
like you said, Tom Cable is white so why didn’t he get punished?
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 18, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The Raiders aren't the big market team they once were
Al Davis has destroyed that team so bad, only the die hard fans have stuck around, and now even some of them are leaving.
Do you think taking action against Cable would do anything to bolster revenue? I don’t think so. Taking action against Ben? Absolutely.
Like I said below, who gives a damn about the crappiest teams? It pains me to say it, but the Steelers do have the highest number of bandwagon fans. Fans provide revenue by purchasing tickets to games and merchandise. How many blackouts did the Raiders have last year? The Browns? The Bengals? Get my point? The Steelers games were never, and have never been blackouts. That, my friend, is a big market team. A team casual fans care about.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
Wait
We can’t have it both ways. We get on the media because they pay attention to the high market teams and even though we are an elite team to the NFL the Steelers are forgotten about. Fact is Pittsburgh is no bigger than Oakland when it comes to media markets and etcetera. As far as fans go you may have a point but it still doesn’t make sense, if a team have more fans wouldn’t want to stir them up less, so they keep buying the product?
I don’t see how taking action against Ben bolster revenue. People are going to stop going to games if he didn’t. Heinz field would still get sold out and jersey would still get bought at the same rate that they are now. Fans love to dump on someone on a another team, as we learned at the draft, and going to games and screaming, ‘She said no’ will be extra incentive for them.
Raiders, they didn’t have any blackout games in 2009, they had 2 in 2008. Yea they’re on the line, but I don’t understand how not punishing Tom Cable makes raider fans want to go to the games. They’re not there to see Tom Cable anyways and if the news of what he did didn’t turn them away then whether or not him being punish isn’t going to deter them.
As far as Steelers fans go, how does suspending Ben affect dollars? If Ben wasn’t suspended we’d buy the same amount of Steeler paraphernalia and go to the same amount of Steeler games. I just don’t connect the two.
If it is indeed true what you are saying though. I believe that it is an insult to African-Americans. We should be held to the same standard as everyone else. There shouldn’t be concessions given to us because ’that’s just how we are’. Because thats not ‘how we are’, a lot of us are very intelligent and know how to conduct themselves in public. There are the bad apples that always spoil the bunch but every ethnic group has those. That is based moreso on individuals and environment than ethnicity. The only time I think there should be concessions when there is a clear disadvantage to one particular group. But thats verging too much into politics so we’ll leave that where it is.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Goodell stands to make a looooot of money. As soon as Ben comes back, we start off with our five primetime games. The most exciting storyline in football around week 5 will be how will Ben handle the pressure of returning to the limelight, and what better way to sell tickets to that show then by putting it on SNF or MNF.
I always thought
Goodell salary is set.
How would he make money because Ben came back? He gets a part of the TV deals?
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
the way i understand it is that if he can point to NFL revenue increasing, he can say that his revenue should be increasing and get a salary raise… similar to congress etc
and yet
he recently took a pay cut. Whatever that means.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Suspending Ben wouldn't bolster monies
It would prevent a drop off.
The Raiders have been falling off anyway, so what would it matter if he suspended/punished Cable?
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
I still
don’t see how it prevents a drop off. People aren’t going to stop buying NFL goods just because Ben wasn’t suspended. I fail to see that.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Goodell doesn't care about the hardcore fans (us)
He cares about the casual fans. The ones who may or may not decide to follow football.
Bringing in new casual fans boosts revenue. Hardcore fans will always buy merch, no matter if Ben’s punished or not. A causla fan may be turned off from the NFL if nothing was done. Ben is a franchise QB, and the face of the Steelers. It would hurt the brand if Goodell did nothing to Ben.
I’m not squaking about the suspension, I’m squaking about the non-punishment of other players. None of which are franchise QB’s, but are fringe players, for the most part.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
Yea
I understand you’re talking about the non-punishment.
The NFL has become a national pastime I don’t believe that even the casual fan wouldn’t watch the NFL anymore if Goodell didn’t suspend Ben. I really don’t understand the whole situation of why Ben was suspended, the only thing that makes sense is if the Rooney’s pushed it.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Rooney's did push it.
I also think it’s the best thing to happen to Ben since both Maddox and Batch were hurt in 2004.
I’m not going to stop being a Steeler fan because of who our QB is, but some might. That’s loss of fanbase, and by proxy, revenue.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
I agree
This will be a good thing for Ben.
And if you think those fans just stop watching the NFL entirely, I think you’re mistaken. Those fans will go to other teams which means its all the same to Goodell.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then, what was the point of the suspension?
If it’s all the same to him, why do it at all? Why not just let the team handle it, instead of him getting involved?
Yeesh. The more we talk about this, the less and less sense it all makes…
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I know right
Like I said the only thing that make sense is that the rooneys wanted a suspension and goodell gave it to them. The rooneys said all along they were working with the NFL with the punishment. So Goodell may not have wanted to suspend Ben but the rooneys wanted to get a point across. thats the only thing that makes sense in my mind.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 20, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
And yeah, I got a little carried away in that comment about Ben being white.
If you cannot tell, this issue gets me kinda fired up, and I sometimes end up sounding nysteelerfan-y.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
watch your mouth buddy!
Remember, I am a minority! Female/hispanic! LOL!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
by nycsteelerfan on Aug 19, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
unless demographics have shifted greatly
being female makes you a part of the majority.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, isn't it like a 2-1 women-men ratio as it is?
There are more women than men, almost twice as many, in point of fact. It’s not quite 2-1, but almost.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
sounds like a good
pro-pologomy arguement
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Joseph Smith was a prophet, Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum!
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
Im White, Male, Heterosexual
Therefore I am to blame for EVERYTHING!
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You're young too...
Get off my lawn!
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
Its ok
It doesn’t bother me because no one should be discriminated against, I’m just trying to make it make sense.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Always the ray of sunshine, aren't you?
Tell me truthfully that you don’t see any kind of pattern there.
I have known plenty of white people who do nice things for/to black people just because they were black. Only to “prove” they weren’t racist.
Ben is on a big market team. The Raiders, Browns, Bengals, who cares if they lose any custom. But, the Steelers now, there is a TON of money potentially lost and Goodell knows it. Ben is a franchise QB, and the face of the team. Those other guys…The casual fan doesn’t even know who they are, so what does it matter?
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
Truthfully I see no pattern
I see one suspension, and then a whole lot of nothing. So, nope, no pattern. Which I’m pretty sure is Tim’s whole point. There is no rhyme or reason to how he doles out punishment.
Its more based on
media attention. Thats the only thing that I’ve seen.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
playing a race card
is a fail in this argument but the rest of it is good.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I acknowledged that, and backpedaled.
I got carried away. It won’t happen again (I hope).
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
yeah same as me
please dont use the race card
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Maryrose, that is a fine piece of writing
I hope that was sent to the offices in New York. If not, maybe someone else will pick it up and share it with other sites.
Well done.
Personally I believe the main impetus for the suspension came from the Steelers FO
If the Steelers make the playoffs this season (and they have almost as good a chance as they would without the suspension), then the incident in Milledgeville and its fallout will be behind Roethlisberger and the organization. Ahead will be a much chastened and refocused franchise QB entering his prime.
It was no secret at the time that Rooney and Goodell were working together on the disciplinary decision. Of course when it came down so severely, everyone just treated it as solely Goodell’s whim. Works out perfectly for Rooney, who not only is spared the fan stigma of putting punishing Ben ahead of winning, but also is saved from cutting 4-6 pretty sizable game checks.
I’m not mad anymore. I don’t care about Ben’s adventures with liquor and college girls, and I didn’t feel like he deserved a 4 game suspension for this incident. However if Ben changes his attitude, and stops acting like an asshole to honest Pittsburghers in the service industry, then I will feel like we came out ahead.
Did he act like an asshole to you
or are you just repeating the slanted writings in SI? I’m not saying Ben’s an angel by any stretch, but if you read the article carefully most of the quotes are from “friends of friends”.
by Greg Stephen on Aug 18, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The stories go rather deep, starting his rookie season, and goes across the gambit of interaction. Ben has been a class A ass to many people, some who I know personally, and more that I’ve heard second hand.
However, he’s doing all the stuff to show he’s changed, and if he keeps that up I’m perfectly willing to forgive and let it be what it was, I think most Pittsburghers are. After all behavior determines attitudes more than the reverse, so maybe a change focused on saving his image and future business interests will bring about real change. (that last bit is the skeptic in me, people just don’t pull a 180 like he’s pulling, you know, most of the time)
by Phantaskippy on Aug 19, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed!
Where were all these so-called service people when Ben was doing all this nonsense????
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
by nycsteelerfan on Aug 19, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly right...
Why weren’t the others suspended? Gee….doubt that Al Davis asked Goodell to suspend his coach. Unlikely that Mike Brown, Jeff Lurie, or Bud Adams asked the Commish to suspend thier players. In Pittsburgh though, Art II put his finger to the wind, prioritized PR over winning football and sold his two-time Super Bowl winning QB down the river.
Good piece, MR
by swissvale72 on Aug 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't "sell him down the river"
He did what was best for his team in the long run.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It might actually
play out that way.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree...
I love the Rooney’s, but they dropped the ball on this one!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
by nycsteelerfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Everything Happens for a Reason (The Silver-Lining Guy Speaketh)
I honestly believe this incident provided Ben a ‘Moment of Clarity’. Goodell’s bullshit aside, the bigger picture here is of a young man (from Ohio) given the world and a great big ole chip on his shoulder who acted out and got burned, and now appears to be taking the correct steps to fix himself.
Had Ben not received any punishment, who knows, he may have shrugged off the whole ordeal without worry of losing his job, his career, his ‘soul’ (to quote Large Benjamin).
(and now my personal vendetta)
Goodell is a bitchass money grabbing tick, like every suit in the NFL organization. He probably dons a cape at home and flexes in front of a giant mirror, phat stacks up to his knee socks.
When You Look Upon Us
And You See This BLACK & GOLD
You Shall Fear Us
For We Will Best You,
As We Are The PITTSBURGH STEELERS
And We Are Legendary
Book of Chachi
4:12
"I honestly believe this incident provided Ben a ‘Moment of Clarity’."
I hope to God that there is a silver lining to this shit sandwhich because it’s literally pushing the boundaries of my sanity. Last week the A/C repairmen in my office were taunting me about my “serial rapist QB”. And one was supposedly from the ‘Burgh! I’ve already had to leave a party recently when a scumbag pats fan got rape happy with me. I’ve waited five years for the Steelers to play in Tampa and now Ben won’t be there and ’Tone’s gone. INFURIATING!!!!
Then goodell turns off the suspension tap like it’s water. I have to think that the Rooney’s had a hand in it. There’s no other logical explanation.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
got any extra tickets for Tampa?
I’ve got a few options, but it would be better to watch with a fellow steelers fan.
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 19, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Not right now
I have 6 but they’re accounted for. I will keep you in mind if anything changes.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Appreciate it
either way, I’ll be there and we could meet for a drink..er, shot
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 20, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
lets discuss closer to game time. We're gonna have to circle the wagons, so to speak, this year
do you live near here or visiting?
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Orlando
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
cool I live pretty close to the stadium in Tampa
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Wait, A/C repairmen?
This guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFy9Cao89I
lol That guy needs to worry about his life more than Ben’s.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Everything Happens for a Reason
The biggest cop out line in the English language. Except for maybe “he made me do it.”
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
+1
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
and they have almost as good a chance as they would without the suspension
Um, no they don’t. Did you miss Lefty playing on Sunday?
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on their literacy
I couldn’t fathom it.
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
literacy?
Where did u get YOUR masters from?
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
by nycsteelerfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been there
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
me too
I almost got caught with my gf in the auditorium
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The University of Maryland
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
PG County
up in this piece
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
booo!
turtle soup!
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as that isn't a Terrapin
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
fine then
terrapin soup. :P
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Eyyy
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
Go Pack!
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
barf...
hows that NCAA investigation coming along for ya? :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure, I don't follow the football too much. I mainly follow the basketball.
Things can always be worse....
well
hopefully the NCAA will find something on the basketball side also :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Naahh...I would like to think the B-ball wouldn't be like that..never know though
Things can always be worse....
true
you never know
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Pfff...
You intellectual.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I lived in their's girls dorm for a week
at the Munchen Army Base in 1974. Celebrated my 19th birthday there.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Coulda/Shoulda been the highlight of your life
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
meh...
I got to sleep in the ironing room. I was a little too young for the college girls to be interested in though it was a mind boggling experience none the less.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed 100%
I wrote a poast slightly similar about the lack of a suspension for benson
Its not even so much the lack of suspension, its the lack of Ben’s charges.
All these other people got arrested, paid fines, had serious issues and some of them are on thin ice. Ben never once had a shred of evidence against him and his worst situations amounted into a couple of civil suits. Granted, I think he needed the kick in his ass, but I dont understand how “no evidence, he said she said” claims is more potent than police reports and mugshots.
When its multiple women saying the same thing there is generally a grain of truth
Unless both women decided to say the same awful thing about a great individual. yea right. You must not have a mother, sister or daughter.
what an asinine statement.
“You don’t agree with his suspension so you don’t value women”
Puh-lease.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
And
you must not have a brother, because when a multiple women are sayin the same thing it still could be a complete lie.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Some gusy are jerks but never break the law, but if someone wants to get them, all they have to do is get the right circumstances and trump up some charges. Not saying that’s what it is, but showing that it’s not that easy.
The ounce of truth in this may be that Ben is(was) a dog and a jerk and there is no law against that. Sometimes when you get screwed (no pun intended) you don’t think rationally trying to get even.
On another note: Do you think those girls had never heard of the lawsuit in Nevada and the money invlolved? Too much unknown to lean on anything.
Okaaaaaaaaaaaayy let’s get the Ben thing going again. We haven’t had a Ben poast in a bit.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
I’m going to make one right now maybe two.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I might do that as well, especially since my first poast did not attract too many...
I know one about Ben would get a lot of hits
Things can always be worse....
nooooooooooooooo
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
sorry
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
arn's
a bad influence
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
naaaa Not nervous either
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Really???
C’mon Andomania… The “awful things” he was accused of in GA couldn’t be substantiated by what turned into a witch hunt for evidence. Surely you’re not implying that the GBI and the incredibly professional (cough) DA’s office wasn’t drooling at the idea of charging him with a crime. They didn’t leave a stone unturned and subsequently prosecuted an individual in the media that they were unable to compile enough evidence against to charge.
No one is advocating violence against women here.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
by 1BlkGldFan on Aug 19, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
this needs to be green
well said particularly
prosecuted an individual in the media when the were unable to compile enough evidence against to charge
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by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And green it is
Aren’t you a female, 1BlkGldFan?
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 19, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
love
the sig
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 20, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Um thats not typically true
Here in Peru, a lot of women say a lot of the same things and usually none of it is true.
Like cold drinks will affect your menstrual cycle.
I love you.
I’ll be there at 6:30 (ends up being 8)
Just a few examples
Hey Mechem
I think I told you this but my kids were in Iquitos and 3 hours further up the Amzon in the jungle earlier this month. They spent a little lime in Lima as well. Where are you located in Peru?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Wah Wah Wah
I am female and I have a college-aged daughter. That argument is LAME. I do not believe Ben raped anyone. I do believe he’s a colossal fool that needs to grow up, though. Let’s explore the “multiple women” argument for a moment. Andrea McUgly had a relationship with Ben. He stopped the relationship. She retaliated. The college sorostitute said she was not raped, or maybe she was, or maybe she was unsure whether she was or not. She followed him around all night from place to place with a DTF button on, was drinking underage with a fake ID probably in all the bars she went to that night. The story that was put out by the media did not even make logical sense. You don’t hink the DA would have charged him if he could? He was chomping at the bit to charge him. Yet no charges. Why would that be? Could it be because a crime did not take place?
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by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Great write up MR
It is too bad that even if Goodell saw this, it probably would not do any good. He has backed himself into a corner. There is no way he can go back and say, oops, the others should be suspended since Ben is. He can’t say that Ben will not be suspended, his only options are to either reduce the suspension to 4, or even to 2 games. Here’s to wishful thinking
Things can always be worse....
"his only options are to either reduce the suspension to 4, or even to 2 games. Here’s to wishful thinking"
Man if they reduced it to 2 games that would be like the Superbowl to me right now. I’d love to see the look on malor’s face when that was announced. To bad it won’t be.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Agree that Ben is being singled out
But when you’re one of the top QBs in the NFL, you have to expect this and not cry about it. I hope Ben finally has come to the realization that he’s wearing a big target on his back. People want to delve into his private life more than ever now and drag him down if they can.
In reality, though, almost any team in the NFL would sign BB in a heartbeat if he left the Steelers. Most of the people who are trashing Ben now would sing a different tune if he suddenly became their star quarterback. Dirty bunch of hypocrites.
I think the tone of this was not to complain about Bens suspension
but to show Goodells hypocrisy for NOT suspending these other guys.
Criminal charges: Ben = No. Rey = Yes. Cedric = Yes. Shaun Rogers = Yes. Young = Yes. Vick = Yes.
Suspensions: Ben = Yes. Rey = No. Cedric = No. Shaun = No. Young = No. Vick = No.
Things that make you go hmmmm….
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought I agreed that Ben is being singled out.
I’m just saying that this fact shouldn’t surprise anyone. The Steelers have become a big target on everyone’s radar screen. I lived in the Cincinnati area for the past several years and, believe me, those fans apparently have nothing left to live for except their hatred of the Steelers.
Criminal charges: Ben = No. Rey = Yes. Cedric = Yes. Shaun Rogers = Yes. Young = Yes. Vick = Yes.
Suspensions: Ben = Yes. Rey = No. Cedric = No. Shaun = No. Young = No. Vick = No.
This entire things is begging the question, why? Why is Ben singled out? Why didn’t other guys with similar or relatively worse circumstances get anything near what Ben got? I have no answer, and I don’t think it’s as simple as prejudice or ownership selection. It just makes you wonder, why Ben?
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"It just makes you wonder, why Ben?"
I didn’t lurk on rag boards during Kobe’s or OJ’s problems, but I have NEVER seen such self-righteous hatred against a sports figure as I’ve read about Ben this year. For some reason he is a really polarizing figure. People REALLY hate him. I know why.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Kobe
was just as bad.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
this was what I have been saying for awhile..
and i got lectured too! I also remember some “fans” wanted BB run out of town by these so called moral hypocrites! I am vindicated, as usual! I may not always be right, but I am never wrong!
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
by nycsteelerfan on Aug 19, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
We are all hypocrites
in some way.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Billy, position has nothing to do with it. When Vick had his issues, he was a force in the business world…sponsorships, you name it. Forget that he couldn’t pass to save his life; he was the first QB to rush for 1,000 yards. He was an average passer. Like Kordell, when his passes were on, they were gorgeous. But…WHEN they were on.
I guess I’m just saying, Commish wanted to be consistent, he said as such, when he came into his position. He has not been. He needs to be.
As for any team signing Ben…there’s maybe 5 teams that wouldn’t. Only because they have people they love. Mannings? Nope. Brees? Rivers? Rodgers? What I love is that if you offered Ben to the Bungles, the excitement they’d have, and the masses saying the same thing in unison: “Carson who?”
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by Fifty-Eight on Aug 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Another great piece of writing maryrose
this should be posted on the Bengals, Browns, Titans, Eagles SBN sites
Goodell acted like a woman during her period while suspended Ben. once the period and the hormones that go along with women acting crazy, so did his suspensions.
It doesnt make sense and only way to find out is if he spoke in front of a stadium full of people, not necessarily steeler fans, and tried to reason why he suspended Ben
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
This post is bringing out some great analogies.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 19, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Goodell was acting like a woman in her period
in my experience, women seem to make out of line, irrational decisions. That is what Goodell, IMO, did when he suspended Ben.
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I understand what you said. I just can’t believe you said it. I also think it is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard.
I know some men who act like that all the time...that was very generalizing
Things can always be worse....
I think that it is unfair
to women to compare them during pms to the commish.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
None of those guys raped anyone though, right?
Not going to be a popular comment, I know that. “No evidence!” the willing suspenders of belief will cry. Ok.
Prophicide has the best comment here: Roethlisberger’s behavior so shocked the Rooney family that they not only accepted but encouraged punishment. I believe they thought it might scare him straight; if he wasn’t put on the right path, they might have traded him.
Old fashioned, out of date, judgmental, hypocritical…. they are the Rooneys, and they’ve done well by their fans, and I do believe this was their call.
so how do you not suspend Cable?
That was the point of the article. Breaking a man’s jaw merits no suspension?
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Aug 18, 2010 11:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would
Goodell, on the other hand, is an ass. And if I had to guess his perverted logic, I would say that the nature of the crime was far worse in Ben’s case — but far, far more importantly, the owners impressed upon him that they would happily accept punishment, while Al Davis was too senile to pay attention.
by syrsteelerfan on Aug 19, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say that the nature of the crime was far worse in Ben’s case
The point to remember was that Ben was never charged with committing any crime…the stigma, the concept of what Ben was charged with, and his case being tried in the media and not a court room, is what led to Goodell’s decision, that and an Al Davis moment. When Ben does take the field, if he plays lights out, like everyone expects/hopes, then the message the Rooneys sent was received by Ben and they look like geniuses.
Things can always be worse....
wow
SMH
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah seems like the media forgot about Foster
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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I think the Rooney’s took advantage of an opportunity to get through to their thick skinned QB. Ben not only was sloppy and irreverent in his personal life, his injury shenanigans, never being in good shape, he wasn’t heading in the right direction personally or professionally. The Rooney’s happen to care about both areas.
The 4-6 game suspension was a great idea, hit him enough to wake him up, while giving him a chance for redemption written in to the punishment. The money and game time would motivate him even if he didn’t care about the rest. To me Ben is a guy who loves to play sports and wants to be the man. Hopefully he’s gonna find out the right way to do it and stick to it.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 19, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The suspension was the BEST thing that could have happened to Ben....
….He was clearly heading to Hell in a handbasket.
BUT It wasn’t fair, when compared to the other thugs in the league.
So I agree with both Skippy and MR. And I agree with those who say the Rooneys were involved, because both the league and the Steeler organizations said so at the time.
So I guess everyone’s right, except those who somehow inject race into everything, including whether or not it rains on your day off from work.
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- Homer J. Simpson
"So I guess everyone’s right, except those who somehow inject race into everything, including whether or not it rains on your day off from work."
Come on man. Everyone knows the weather is racist.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
My bad. :-)
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
lol
this black cloud keeps following me.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rooneys
I suspect you are correct here in that the Rooneys pushed for the suspension.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Better than I could have ever written it.
Lock me in a room with a typewriter for 100 years wearing a monkey suit, and I would not have been able to express things as well as MR.
When I think about the pick-and-choosiness of our current commish, I feel like being far less eloquent than MaryRose.
I feel like running my car into a set of metal poles…or punching a dude in the gullet…or bustin’ a cap in someone’s general direction…or resisting arrest…or clubbing an employee with my massive meat clubs/fists…
It’s just too bad that I’m not an NFL player/coach. I’d have a better chance of not getting legal charges leveled or punished by the leagues front office.
Good thing
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Big Ben has 2 strikes, that's why
i know Ben was never convicted but that’s not the point, at least that’s how Goodell spins it, Ben was accused in 2 similar cases-n a year and a half time- and therefore he was suspended. I’m not saying I agree with the treatment but that’s the rationale behind it. And looking at the way Ben behaved off the field in terms of how he treated people (the summer S.I. cover article explained in great detail how much of an azz he’s been for 6 years) this 4 game suspension is the least he should be able to endure…i hate it as much as u guys but if Ben can swallow the pain and deal we should be able to as fans..
Move On and Prove On....Nice!
Benson was a reoffender
And somehow dodged the suspension. I think thats more MaryRose’s point.
Also guys who are actually getting caught way out of line are getting off scott-free. There is no consistancy in his rulings what so ever
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 19, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Cable had multiple issues too
Ben’s two strikes probably didn’t help the situation, but with regards to why he got suspended and the others did not, still questions the consistancy of Goodell’s decision
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by kick him in the head on Aug 19, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the best pieces of writing on this subject I have seen in a while
Great work, maryrose!!! Thank you.
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What he said
What maryrose said. Every single word of it.
Roethlisberger’s suspension on the flimsiest of evidence set the threshold for suspension so low that even guys getting pulled over for their second speeding ticket should be looking at missing some games, let alone serial trouble-magnets like Benson, Cable and Vick.
Goodell’s blatant double standards are out there for all to see, but I don’t think they’re based on race, position or team – it’s simply the case that the media sh*tstorm over #7 was so much greater that it stayed in the public eye for longer and Goodell reacted to it to make himself look tough and no-nonsense. It was the same deal a couple of years ago when he and that goon Mike Pereira were randomly fining Steelers, Giants and Chargers linebackers so they could make it look like a tough stance on player safety.
Properly applied ...
one should never be afraid to play the race card—regardless of one’s race. There isn’t enough evidence in this post to necessarily make that claim, but if one is playing poker the chances of receiving an Ace is equal for all.
+ 3/5
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- Homer J. Simpson
I'm black
and thats funny.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not
and I don’t get it.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a black thing
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I assume
He is referring to the Jim Crow laws. African American votes only counted for 3/5s of a vote.
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by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
UM
I thought that was the 3/5 compromise with slavery. Jim Crow laws came after that. It has to do more with taxes and congress, a slave counted as 3/5 of a person so that determined the population of a state and how many representatives they get in the house. The south wanted their cake and eat it too, treat the slaves as sub humans but have them count as a full person when it comes to representation so they have bigger influence in the house of reps.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/three-fifths-compromise.html
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right
I am getting my history mixed up. It was never my strong suit.
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by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
TWHS
It was never my strong suit.
As she left.
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe
I could post pictures of it on here. lol
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
According to Hoyle, Clubs is the weakest suit, with Spades being the strongest.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 19, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting
in most German card games, Diamonds is the weakest suit while Spades is still the strongest
Clubs?
because they like to party?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Beastie! I must say
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
That funky monkey.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
They were up all night playing
Pass the mic.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
by Steel Spike on Aug 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
I didn’t know that (or had forgotten).
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
its cool
my friend is a history major so… he corrects everyone one their history lol i remember stuff through osmosis
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by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
What I love most about this blog....
..is that we can talk about – and joke about – this kinda stuff. Race is the third rail of American culture, but here at BTSC we can dance around it, and learn from each other, and respect one another.
Tann’s explanation of the 3/5ths rule for slaves was right on the money. Most folks get it wrong, thinking the slaveholders were the ones who wanted slaves to count as “less than a man.” In fact, as he points out, slaveholders wanted them to count as 100% of a man for the purposes a Congressional representation, while giving them 0% of their freedom.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
there is definately no consistency in the commish
hard to understand why someone who seemingly had some sort of relation with a drunk women gets handed 6 games while guys who have broken laws like DUI, dog fighting, shootings and bar fights get little or nothing
I don't see a reason for this flagging.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it musta been done accidentally and the other one she meant to tag got deleted
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah... gotcha.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
I wish Ben would Tom Cable Goodell in that picture
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec
someone green it
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Great piece MR...
I have no idea why Cable wasn’t suspended. It makes no sense.
Vince Young got in a shoving match weith some guy. The worst thing he did was almost topple that guy and himself onto some woman sitting in that tiny room. I don’t see a reason for a suspension there. And no, depression is not pattern behavior, nop matter how much people want it to be.
I like Maualuga, but he deserved some suspension. One game, two, I don’t know. You can’t do what he did.
Cedric Benson, from what I read, got sucker punched, and because of his past, it got pinned on him. He threw a punch himself, but he stayed there for the police, and made his side known right away. Details get a little murky, but it’s borderline.
Michael Vick, another player I like. I’m not really sure what he did, but according to police it was nothing. He was cleared by the investigators as innocent.
I said it before, I’ll say it again. Ben was suspended for the media attention paid to his incident. I don’t think it was right, but that is what I think it was. I thought all along that he’d end up suspended this time. I assumed two games at the most. Wrong.
The other factor, that I’m coming to realize, was the Rooney involvement. The Rooney’s pushed for this suspension, and worked with Goodell in handing it out. Why?
Well, Ben openly said he acted immaturely. Which, whether he will say it or not, means he acted like a bad kid. The Rooney’s bad kid. Sometimes, if you care about your kid, you’ve got to punish them for their actions. Sometimes the punishment doesn’t totally equal the reason for being punished, but to get a point across, you go overboard. Trying to teach them a lesson. The Rooney’s were unhappy with Ben’s actions (not just the allegations, but his general attitude and demeanor around town and elsewhere).
Goodell wasn’t happy, the Rooneys weren’t happy… it all ended up being an over reaction, in an attempt to teach a full grown man not to act the way he had been for a few years. The Rooneys didn’t have the luxury of letting Ben go, a la Santonio, so they had to try and scare him straight.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
Agreed
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not that it's much of a conselation
Rey did get two games worth o’ pay taken away. I believe punishment was handed out by the Bengals though
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 19, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
A la Santonio's one gamer by the Rooneys...
For a crime he was later cleared of.
No one cried foul then.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
because
we knew he was guilty of sin, the only way that got cleared because it was an illegal search of his car
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And, according to the GA - DA...
Ben was guilty of making a bad choice, and the only reasons he got cleared was lack of evidence and the woman not wanting to go any further… right?
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
thats different than saying, we know you did it, we just took illegal means to prove that you did.
Than saying we can’t find proof that you did it.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 19, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
well reasoned
I think the key to all of this moving forward will be for the players to renegotiate the deal with the NFL.
If I’m an NFL player (and I assuredly am not) I don’t like the power that Goodell has over my paychecks. Granted if I keep my nose clean it’s not a problem, but if I screw up once I could be out a couple million dollars without a single arrest to go with it? That’s hard to swallow.
In the re imagining of the CBA I’d make sure to have player penalties be done by a committee including someone from the league head office and reps from the NFLPA. Create some kind of standard that can be applied without bias. You can then add an element of subjective severity for cases like Ben’s.
I think it was a gross over-reaction to suspend Ben for 6 games. I also think it’s a gross under-reaction to not suspend any of the other folks. And one person is fallible and will make bad decisions. But a committee at least narrows that down and forces you to follow regulations.
Rant over.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 19, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure it's Goodell alone?
There has to be some group who at least has some say in the decision process.
On top of that, the NFLPA already has the power to take any suspension to an independant review board, unless I am mistaken.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Goodell has implied it's his call
And yes the NFLPA can argue post-facto. But they have no input on the process.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 19, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure it is probably his final call...
But I still have doubts that he’s the only person weighing the variables before hand.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Goddell on suspension decision day:
1. Puts favorite flowered dress and high heels on
2. Pours glass of wine
3. Cranks “Like a Virgin” to his backyard speakers(on repeat)
4. Picks daffodill from garden
5. Proceeds to swing set
6. does “suspend him, suspend him not” until fate tells him the truth
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 19, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's a disturbing picture
Sorta like a serial killer scene.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Put the team from Criminal Minds on it...they'll figure it out in less than an hour
Things can always be worse....
including commercials
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps Goodell actually care MORE about Ben than the others
Stay with me here. Maybe Goodell doesn’t actually give a rat’s ass whether those other dudes rehabilitate themselves or land in jail or on the streets penniless someday. By general rule a punishment is meant to facilitate a positive outcome or change of behavior. Ben’s past behavior is clearly at the very least questionable and could easily have resulted in self-destruction. He needed a wake up call. Tough love? If Goodell gave much of a crap about the other guys, maybe he would have punished them, too?
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
Good point, that is the same reason a parent should punish/discipline their children.
Things can always be worse....
That is an interesting thought
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree Chewie...
Don’t forget that the Rooneys had say in that ruling, and I’m sure part of their decision was rooted in the same thoughts.
Ambition is like a frog sitting on a Venus Flytrap. The flytrap can bite and bite, but it won't bother the frog because it only has little tiny plant teeth. But some other stuff could happen and it could be like ambition.
-Deep Thought By Jack Handy
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 19, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Or...
Perhaps Goddell didn’t think the others were CAPABLE of getting on the right track and felt it would be an act of futility to suspend them as they will just keep repeating their reprehensible behavior no matter how many suspensions they get. Flawed logic to say the least but who knows what goes on inside the man’s head besides visions of $$$.
Definitely flawed in that it just further reinforces the "entitled" mentality
Things can always be worse....
Exactly
And that’s why Goodell is an ass :-) In any case, arrest should equal suspension of at least one game. I mean, come on, I’m sure there are many times when these players have actually committed an arrestable offense and law enforcement turns the other way. I also agree with Al Toona that Goodell has too much power and a committee decision would be a much better way to go.
A f-ing MEN to this article. Goodell is garbage. I loved the point on coach Tom Cable as well… a great comparison. Some guy freaks out and chokes and gets nothing someone yet Ben gets 4 games for something that a chick doesn’t even decide to PRESS CHARGES upon. If im a girl who gets raped im pretty sure im pressing charges no matter what the circumstance’s are.
hanson v cable
Anyone know what happened to this civil lawsuit? last I could find was a hearing scheduled for may 15, where cable’s lawyers argued for him to hide behind the shield.
Big Stupid
I don’t really care about Cable, Vick or Benson. I care about Ben Roethlisberger. I have no issue with the 4-6 game suspension. Neither does Rooney or the stupid one.
Ben needed a HUGE wake up call so that he can possibly grow to be a real man. Goodell has supplied that with a heaping helping hand from the Rooney’s.
I hope Ben’s behavior has warranted Goodell to rescind the 6 game suspension to 4 or even 3 games. I think the Steelers are a solid and deep enough team to get through 3-4 games without their starting QB. Goodell may be an egotistical, attention seeking whore, but Ben has been much worse in his behavior towards the fan base.
Goodell probably won’t ever change at this point in his life but I hope Ben does…
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Aug 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree, 50
with this addendum: It’s no longer about Ben (and I’m with you all the way with your hope that this changes his life for the better) but now it’s about fairness.
The Steelers could have sat Ben at their own discretion. It didn’t need to come from the league but since it DID, and the league handed down a significant suspension to a player who was never charged with a crime, they raised the bar of conduct and should be expected to maintain that standard for every player, coach or anyone else employed by the league. Not just players whose name ends in Roethlisberger.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
IIRC
I think the Rooney’s let the league handle the suspension because if they did the NFLPA could have gotten involved on Ben’s behalf. That could have meant no suspension, which might have led to no behavior change.
Things can always be worse....
That may well be true
but my point was that since the league did hand down the suspension (and let’s face it, 4-6 games is a big one especially with no formal charges being filed) and the Commish’s justification was “conduct unbecoming”, then continue to hold that standard for the rest of the players in the league. It’s not about Ben, it’s about consistency.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I totally agree with you he should be consistent; especially if he is talking about "conduct unbecoming"
I was just stating the reason I heard why the Rooneys were not handing out the punishment.
Things can always be worse....
Thats what I am saying
When I look at all of the players and the common denominators there are two things that stand out. Ben didn’t get any charges and Ben is the only one of them that plays for the Rooneys. If we all remember Holmes’ bar incident, he didn’t get charged with a crime, but they shipped him off like bad eggs. The only thing that makes sense is that the Rooneys asked the league for a suspension and since the Rooneys hold so much weight with the NFL – they obliged. So there is consistency but its under the veil that the Rooneys said all along they were working with the NFL on this. I think that is what we are forgetting.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 20, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
There is consistency with the Rooneys,
I think the point she was making was about Goodell being consistent with his punishments, or lack thereof
Things can always be worse....
And
what I am saying is that Goodell only punished Ben because of the Rooneys. Which makes it seem inconsistent, but if you listen carefully you see that they were really pulling the strings.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
that the Rooney’s were involved. (for good reason, too) ‘Tone, remember failed yet another substance abuse test. Couple that with club trouble and previous failed substance abuse test(s) and I’m sure it wasn’t a hard decision to trade him to the Jets for that used blocking sled.
The Goodell just needs to remember that there are 32 teams in the NFL and its’ code of conduct.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Datruth's Final 53 - Hold All Applause until later
QB: Big Ben, Leftwich, Dixon (3)
RB: Mendy, M. Moore, Redman, Summers (4)
WR: Ward, Wallace, Randle-El, A. Battle, Sanders, A. Brown (6)
TE: Miller, Spaeth, D. Johnson (3)
OL: Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Essex, F. Adams, R. Foster, Legursky, J. Scott, T. Hills (9)
DL: A. Smith, Big Snack, B. Keisel, Ziggy Hood, C. Hoke, Sunny Harris, D. Worthington (7)
LB: Deebo, Woodley, Farrior, Timmons, K. Fox, L. Foote, T. Gibson, J. Worilds, S. Sylvester (9)
CB: Ike, BMac, OTA Willie Gay, K. Lewis, C. Butler, A. Madison (6)
S: Troy P., Clark, W. Allen, R. Mundy (4)
Specialists: J. Reed, Warren, D. Sepulvada (3)
Ben is suspended first 4 games so don’t count against 53-man roster; OT Chris Scott begins season on PUP list.
Practice Squad: RB J. Dwyer, OL D. Brooks, LB R. Williams, WR B. London, NT S. McLendon, WR T. Grisham, FS J. Thornton, SS D. Cromartie-Smith
by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
Post Gazette reported this AM
That the Steelers would only keep 8 LBs because “that’s what they did last year” I’m not sure I agree with that logic. By that logic, either Sylvester or Gibson would be gone. I don’t buy into the logic personally.
I like your roster except, what happened to Burnett? You cutting him.
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm keeping A. Madison over Joe Burnett; best special teams player on team ...
If the Steelers say special teams is an emphasis this year and they cut their best ST player (who has also improved to the point that he could play in the nickel & not embarass himself like OTA W. Gay) then the Steelers deserve to have 10 TD’s ran back on him this year. A. Madison is a beast on special teams coverage and deserves a roster spot on this team.
To me, Burnett is nothing more than a 4th or 5th corner who you thought could be a returner as well but he can’t catch punts. C. Butler is also better, so bye-bye Burnett.
by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
Didn’t notice you kept Crezdon, too. It will be interesting to see if they do keep Madison. The mistake was indeed glaring last year and they brought him back. IMWO, it is more likely they keep Burnett one more year and try to stash Butler on the PS for the time being.
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think burnett stays
I like most of your thoughts, but I do think Butler hits the practice squad and Burnett stays. He knows the defense better and would get more playing time.
I also wonder if Eason sticks for one more year. I know there’s young talent to be had, but the Steelers of old have been keeping the experienced players more often…
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 19, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't really the right place for this
"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"
by John Stephens on Aug 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There's never a wrong place for DaTruth's 53... NEVER!
enuff said.
by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
even the toilet bowl?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is Big Ben?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This is Big Ben
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a white box with a red "x"?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorta like Courtney Love, eh?
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never seen her box
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course not
Because it has a red “x” over it
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The price of crossing it?
death….
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Kinda looks like the girl one of my boys took home the other night ...
Except I think the bear in the picture was a little less hairy and had a better physique :-)
by datruth4life2.0 on Aug 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
As you can see from the picture
John Madden’s evil twin was there to give Ben the bad news. “Your Madden rating is going down.”
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Can't believe Madden would actually step foot at Steeler's Camp
Surprised he didn’t try to sabotage them in some way.
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He was like
“boom!” hitcha with a suspension.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Or replace all their tough actin tinactin
with hydrochloric acid
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
he made away with the team's Turducken.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What kind of sound does a Turducken make?
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Aug 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Quack!
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He sounds curiously like Hi5_Steeler?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
served lightly dusted in
banhammer
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
hisssssssssssssssssssssssss boom!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
goodell's certainly isn't being fair about who he is and isn't suspending
but ben also deserved his suspension
By the way, what was sketchy about Oakland Raiders’ Coach Tom Cable’s antics? Did you not believe Assistant Coach Randy Hanson, with .27 less alcohol in him than Miss Milledgeville, when he told us that Cable broke his jaw with a right cross in a coaches’ meeting?
cable didn’t illegally give the coach alcohol & then later have some sort of sexually oriented encounter (with or without consent at the time)…and THAT’S why ben is suspended.
i do agree that cable, young, and Maualuga should have been suspended as well
Sex with a 20 year old isn't against the law with consent
and that was the point of the matter. It was not clear whether it was or not. So if you want to compare what’s proven compare giving drinks to a chick that was underaged but already drinking to a guy breaking his assistant’s jaw. Now: what you say?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 19, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Add to that that the chick in question here followed him all over town using a fake ID to get into the bars/clubs
dangit…I told myself I was not going to post stuff regarding Ben
Things can always be worse....
it's ok
I know it’s hard to resist
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Isn't the nature of the offense the difference?
I’m not arguing it’s right, but I do see Ben’s alleged offenses as being different than all the rest. The league endorses violence and they have a ton of beer companies paying them money for advertising. Half the fan base probably drinks (ok, more than half from Pittsburgh if you are counting my family who are all drinkers). Nowhere does the game of football have a stake in assualting women. Again, I am not justifying the suspension or lack of suspensions for the others, but it’s not a big leap for me to see a fundamental difference in the nature of the offense. I imagine that’s what Goodell saw too.
Except that Cable did assault two women.
An ex girlfriend and ex wife.
As opposing quarterbacks crouched under center, Lambert pumped his legs up and down, thumping the turf like a war drum. He mouthed threats to opposing running backs that would make even the most hardened Catholic nun weep for humanity. He fulfilled those threats with coldblooded suplex tackles. He may or may not have chain-smoked at halftime, depending on who you ask.
For sixty minutes each Sunday, Jack Lambert was a demon.
I believe you would mean the "nature of the perception" in this case
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
The league endorses violence and they have a ton of beer companies paying them money for advertising….Nowhere does the game of football have a stake in assualting women
With that logic, some would say that it is ok to be in a club, get drunk and beat the crap out of a guy and there will be no punishment even if you are at fault and started the fight. IIUC
Things can always be worse....
Should have been a reply to MyMilkshake^^
Not sure what happened, i hit reply..oh well…dang gremlins
Things can always be worse....
Didn't mean to imply you agreed, I understood the point, just saying some might take it as I stated above.
Things can always be worse....
When was the suspension reduced to 4 games?
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Among those also not mentioned by Goodell
Eric Foster – Colts – Accused of Sexual Assult night before AFC championship game
Shaun Rodgers – Browns – Taking loaded gun into airport
Chris Simms – TB – Driving while high on weed
Brandon Underwood – Packers – Accused of sexual assult and battery
Maurice Purify – Bengals – Arrested for disorderly conduct
Sean Peyton – Saints coach – accused of drug cover up in vicodin scandel
Vincent Jackson – Chargers – Driving with out license
Brian Westbrook – Redskins – DUI
These are just a few since March 2010. Where is the commish on some of these!!
goes along with the attention media too
or lack there of. I’ve haven’t heard of a few of these. Driving while high on weed is a crime? Darn kids
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Aug 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Arrested in NY with his pregnant wife in the car. Wonder if the league tested him?
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