Tomlin’s Team
Excitement is building as we move ever closer to the beginning of the 2010 season. Answers to a variety of questions about the composition of the final 53 man are taking shape while a number of tantalizing issues remain outstanding over starting jobs and roster spots. Leftwich or Dixon? Pouncey or Hartwig? Brown or Logan? Worthington or Eason? And what about Grisham, Sylvester, Hills, Adams, Harris, Worilds, Madison, Burnett, Gay, Battle, Butler, Wright and of course (please cue the organ music and the choir) Redman? These questions and uncounted variations will occupy our conversations and musings for the next two weeks and beyond. Short of the direct experience of the season itself, there are few other times when it is greater to be a football fan.
But something else is going on now as well. It is a drama that exists simultaneous to that of the 2010 Pittsburgh Steelers squad and its journey up the mountain. This is a narrative that is of longer duration than the story of any individual season; it unfolds more subtly and more slowly. It is a story that is less urgent than that of this or any individual season, but is, ultimately, more important. As we enter the fourth year of his regime we are now beginning to see a clear outline of Team Tomlin; the component parts, character and role players of the Pittsburgh Steelers as conceived, developed and managed by Mike Tomlin (in partnership with Kevin Colbert and Art Rooney II). For the three years up to this point we have watched how Tomlin has managed a team that was largely not of his making. It has been a transitional period that has had its share of triumphs and disappointments. It has also been a time of ambiguity and missteps as players, coaches and the FO sought to find their bearings. The process is nowhere near complete but enough of a picture is beginning to emerge, like the steel skeleton of a skyscraper, that we can begin to watch in awed fascination.
Star-divide
The Core. This the foundation of talent and leadership that the team will build upon for the next 6-10 years (barring injuries or other unforeseen issues). These are Tomlin's first four top draft picks; Lawrence Timmons, Rashard Mendenhall, Evander "Ziggy" Hood and Maurice Pouncey. Currently, these players range from having crucial to ‘not very' roles in the success of the 2010 squad. All four share the quality of being very young, something of note in a sport where the physical maturity that comes with age can play quite an advantage. That they were all selected first rounders at such young ages makes a statement about their talent and their growth potential over the coming years. It may be fair to say that Timmons and Mendenhall have developed a bit less quickly than hoped for, while the opposite is proving true for Hood and Pouncey. When Timmons does hit his stride the comparisons may be more in line with Polamalu, than say, a James Harrison. He has similar transcendent athletic qualities. Right now Mendenhall stands the best chance of being the disappointment of the group given a tendency toward spotty play and fumbling. Otherwise, he has the potential to be one the greatest backs to wear the black and gold. And that's saying something. Hood and the rookie Pouncey have already been anointed the twin sensations of this year's camp. These two project to be the anchors of the defensive and offensive lines respectively for a decade or more and may likely be pro bowl/All Pro caliber throughout.
Bridging Veterans. The core group is still in their apprenticeship. They may be important to the short term success (this season) of the team but more critical are those players that got their start under Cowher. These players are divided into two groups. The first are those who we can call aging veterans; players that have, perhaps, a few years of peak performance left to give the team. If they are still around as the core of the Tomlin players (and their supporting cast) mature it will be as spot contributors at best. This group probably includes Hines Ward, James Farrior, Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, maybe James Harrison. The others are more mid career players who could still be going strong five or more years from now. Ben, Troy, Ike Taylor, Heath, Kemo, Max Starks. All of these players will have legacies that span both the Cowher and Tomlin eras but the greater association will be with this group, particularly if the older guys can manage another championship before they ride off into the sunset.
Prodigals. This is a group pretty much peculiar to the Tomlin era. Before, if you left the Steelers you didn't come back. Today prodigals Larry Foote, Antwan Randle El and BMac are getting rings, robes and the fatted calf. So far it has helped with depth, leadership and I suspect, morale. I'm tempted to include Ryan Clark in this category as well. As policy it is certainly more forgiving of both players and management, allowing for second chances. And it can be particularly beneficial for an organization like Pittsburgh that is likely to compare favorably against most of the competition.
Supporting Cast. Draftees in the 2nd thru 7th rounds, plus, in Steelers tradition, the odd free agent rookie will build on the foundation set by the core group. LaMar Woodley, Mike Wallace, Keenan Lewis, Daniel Sepluveda, Ryan Mundy and others. One of the things that might be concluded about the Tomlin era is that the approach may be more patient and expansive (example the prodigals)than previously.. What this might allow is for players that might need more time to develop, as may seem to be the case with Hills, can do so without the pressure of having to constantly fill talent voids as players go out the revolving doors. Could mean we haven't seen the last of Limas Sweed. Remember, Tomlin has a Lombardi and two rings and he hasn't cracked the age of 40 yet. Probably hasn't peaked as a leader yet either. If anyone is in the position to successfully marry the process of laying a successful foundation for the future with the urgency of winning now its him.
Free Agents. More important than we like to give credit for with our emphasis in Pittsburgh on the home grown, free agents (or those obtained by trade) have played important roles in the team's success. Cowher era free agents included Kevin Greene, Jerome Bettis, James Farrior, Charlie Batch, Jeff Hartings and Ryan Clark. After a big misstep (Mahan) we have gotten good value with the likes of Mewelde Moore and Hartwig. Wil Allen is looking more like a quality addition. Jury's out on Flozell Adams.
Ultimately what happens on the labor front with the new CBA will determine the final form that team building will take. But if you look closely beyond the roster decisions of the moment, we are beginning to see a pattern of player selection, development and evaluation that is uniquely Tomlin. What have you noticed?
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My eyes are going buggy
Is that Times font? I had forgotten how bad that font is once I got used to Helvetica or even Arial.
I will give it another try in a minute.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 25, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
Hard to argue the " Cowher Core "
Aa. Smith and Polo on D combined with Hines on the offence – is very hard to measure the heart and soul of these guys who bring it both on and off the field. I don’t think talent can replace character hopefully their attitudes rub off on the younger guys and realize the little things it takes to win a championship.
This made me happy
After a lot of offseason negativity its nice to think of Ziggy Hood and Pouncy mauling opposing linemen for years to come. Two thoughts stood out:
It is interesting that guys came back to the Steelers after leaving. I could be way off base but I think there’s something to players liking Tomlin as a coach. I recall an SI players poll from last year with Tomlin as the 2nd most voted for coach in the poll of “coaches to play for”. Could this be a major factor in a no-cap world? It seems as if he’s the type of guy you would love to have as your boss: is willing to be creative and try new ideas, doesn’t put up with BS, has your back when you need him and isn’t afraid to speak his mind. Its easy to forget the players are real people and make decisions based on the same set of criteria that the rest of us do.
How is Woodley not considered part of the core? I understand he was a second round pick but I think every reasonable projection of a great upcomig Steelers D has his name right after Troy’s, right (just seems like the whole contract issue is being factor in and I don’t think it should)
woodley + wallace
i had the same initial reaction, but on further reflection, I think Rick’s point is that Tomlin’s first round picks are the “chosen ones” and provide a window for us to try and look in on coach Tomlin’s motivations and priorities in building a team. More than any other draft position, you have to “hit” in the first round, and Tomlin has chosen to do it by drafting for youth, athleticism, smarts, and (perhaps most of all) motivation. (and possibly character, especially insofar as it informs motivation) Picks made in the lower rounds seem to have been more based on BPA & high upside. So, even though Woodley panned out great, you have Sweed as an example of another second round pick who (let’s face it, folks) probably won’t ever amount to much, at least as a Steeler. Wallace has had an amazing start to his career, but Urbik is only now showing signs of maybe “getting it”. Et cetera, et cetera…
"You know how football is - if your mother's on the other team and you're coming out to play football, you're gonna hit momma" --L.C. Greenwood
Jury's out on Flozell?
Are you high? Flozell Adams is a mess in pass protection. Considering Ben’s penchant to run face-first into defenders while attempting to scramble / throw / pump fake / run / throw deep, Flozell’s not a big bucket of reassurance. Unless you feel that Ben just needs to go down quicker.
-1 for the personal insult, not necessary
you’re a little quick to dump on Adams when he’s still in the middle of a difficult transition to the right side. Also, while I certainly don’t endorse the idea, I think he may step his effort up when the games count…
"You know how football is - if your mother's on the other team and you're coming out to play football, you're gonna hit momma" --L.C. Greenwood
How could the jury not be out with only TWO PRESEASON games under his belt.
He is switching from Left to Right side. Tell ya what observer… Try writing with your left hand (0r right handed if you are already left handed) and let us know how that works out for you after 4 weeks or so. I say let him develop into his pass protection. He is already an upgrade( Or at minimum adequate) in the run game which, in my opionion, is what we need.
I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).
rose colored glasses?
I could be wrong but I believe he was the most penalized lineman during the last five years
You mean
those 5 years, which 3 of them resulted in Pro Bowls (2008, 2007, 2006)? And he only missed out on 2005 because of an injury
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by John Stephens on Aug 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but...
That was 4, 3, and 2 years ago. He’s older now, and transitioning to the opposite side. Those are two difficult things to overcome. I’m not against picking him up, and I hope he pans out, but I do think its safe to say he’s lost a step or two. Particularly in pass protection. Only time will tell I suppose
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I wasn't arguing any of that
I was just pointing out how bad of an argument that was.
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by John Stephens on Aug 26, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
huh thats funny
to my recall the automatic penalty machine you think Flozell is (he was in Dallas no argument there) only had one penalty to my knowledge (could be more that i missed)
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Aug 26, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Penalties aren't the issue with Flozell
IMO, its speed (or lack thereof) right now. Again, I’m not ready to write him off, I think he was a good pick-up. I just hope he can find a way to compensate for the lack of speed he is showing right now, because you can’t get that back, you can only make adjustments for it. Blocking for Romo/BB/DD, is a lot different than blocking for Leftwich. I guess what I’m saying is that, not only has he lost a step or two, and is transitioning from left to right, but he also will be asked to block for an immobile QB. Something else he is no accustomed to. Those are tough things to face at this point in his career. I just hope that experience ulitmately wins out for him. I think it will, but it just hasn’t manifested yet.
"If we weren't all crazy we'd all go insane" - Jimmy Buffett
im not too sure
Lefty sits in the pocket most likely he wont go anywhere, Dixon we dont even need to worry about being sacked unless he gets surprised, other than that you can guarantee he gets out of with more yards, Ben scrambles within the confines of the pocket which can get him in trouble especially if he backs into a defender, it may actually be easier for Flozell to block for Lefty, he knows where the QB will most likely be and all he has to do is keep the defender from getting the inside then just push him out and around the QB, with Ben he has to compensate with where the QB is scrambling to and change the his position in relation of where the QB which could be hard with Flozell being slow, i just hope he gets with before week 6, or a RT can take his spot away
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly
"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly
by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Aug 26, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Point
Man, I love talking football with people who know what they’re talking about!! I guess we are in agreement that he has some work to do regardless of who’s back there, but both want him to succeed.
We are asking an awful lot of the O-line has a whole this season. Just about the time they get settled in blocking for Byron, with a liitle bit of DD mixed (or vice-versa ,however that situation pans out), we yank those guys and put BB back in. Not to mention staying solid in the running game. That’s a lot to ask from the best of O-lines.
"If we weren't all crazy we'd all go insane" - Jimmy Buffett
so… mike vick never got sacked? it doesnt matter how you cut it, you’re not going to convince anyone that flozell can protect an immobile QB better than a mobile one
Problem is
he has to protect both, and can’t protect either
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great post rick, rec'd
"You know how football is - if your mother's on the other team and you're coming out to play football, you're gonna hit momma" --L.C. Greenwood
My rambling thoughts on a favorite topic.
If there is one thing I love to do to the teams I cheer for, it’s analyze the personality and style of team they seem to be trying to build. Cowher always built teams of tough renegade type players who would buy into his us against the world motivation style and play with a massive chip on their shoulder. You can still see that come out in his comments on football and the Steelers now. As for Mike Tomlin. . .
Tomlin Drafts:
Top end talent with developmental work needed: Good strategy for a team that doesn’t need immediate help and is drafting in the mid to late first. Take high upside guys that are unpolished, or guys that fell through the cracks due to position or whatever. From there you grab players that look to be able to fill holes right away at a decent level. Late round projects don’t turn out very well, but the guys who are maxed out but can contribute immediately provide the early picks with time.
Worilds, Timmons, Mendy and Sweed are good examples of the first category. Guys like Woodley, Burnett, maybe Gibson can contribute and help the team early on.
Obviously I can’t predict where on the spectrum everyone was imagined to be, but I think the pattern exists.
As for what kind of players he goes for, he is a big fan of fast, athletic players (Dungy influence there) and guys that show a passion for the game, guys that won’t be hard to motivate or give problems about playing time etc. Speed at RB, WR, LB, CB, all over. While he doesn’t go Al Davis over the combine, Worilds, Gibson, Wallace, Sanders all had great combines, and yet you see college production in almost all of our picks. Then you hear the interviews about the draftees and you can tell they have been looking at the players attitude, fundamentals, everything. The more drafts Tomlin is a part of, the better I like him. Everyone can’t make the squad, but we aren’t carrying as much dead weight as we often used to under Cowher.
The position in Football I have the hardest time evaluating is O-Line, which I also believe is one of the most important drafted positions, due to the O-line dictating pretty much the temperament of your team. I do look up what others say and here’s a taste of Tomlin’s picks as they were viewed at the draft.
Cameron Stephenson, 2007 5th round: Quick and explosive, but lacks size and strength, has frame to add that and is relatively new to O-line.
Tony Hills, 2008 4th round: Athletic and intelligent, has good frame but needs to add strength and work on technique. Only played 24 games in college, injury in senior year ended season.
Kraig Urbik, 2009 3rd round: Strong mauler type Blocker, in-line blocker not mobile. Tends to get tall and lose leverage. 45 game start streak at Winsconsin.
A.Q. Shipley, 2009 7th round: Undersized and maxed out, otherwise a great center. 3 year starter at Penn State.
Markice Pouncey, 2010 1st round: started 39 games at Florida, made Tebow famous. weakness, none, Strength, everything.
Chris Scott, 2010 5th round: started 39 games, strong, in line blocker. Lacks speed and awareness. Valuable for depth at multiple positions more than as a future starter at one.
So for O-line drafting It seems Tomlin had a philosophy change in 2009. First two picks (2007, 2008) had little exp and needed to fill out and get stronger, athleticism their strength, then goes the opposite way from then on, big tough strong guys with lots of experience and success. This could be a change due to the 2008 O-Line quality, he might be looking for more immediate help. I think this is the most interesting position for Tomlin’s drafts, as he doesn’t seem to be an O-line guy, but then a DB coach probably wouldn’t be an O-Line guy.
As for Free Agents, Tomlin is big on underrated vets, esp. if they have connections or winning experience. He brings in guys to force competition and make sure our depth is ready to go. The sheer number of players that are competing for important roles is great, and none of the roles are a lesser of two evils type pick.
I expect the future of Tomlin’s teams to be built around the gambles that work out, while those that fall flat have their spots filled by the draft picks with less upside, but better rate of being a decent player. Sweed’s spot will be filled by Wallace/Sanders, however you want to look at that, Timmons lack of taking over is being covered by a Free Agent in Foote. If he doesn’t step up soon, look for a safe MLB pick to take that spot.
Last comments: Tomlin values leadership, and I am a big fan of that. I think Pouncey will have a huge impact on the line, not just from his play but also his natural leadership. Tomlin also looked to fix the ST problems not just by bringing in ST aces, but guys who have been captains on ST.
To draw a conclusion from this rambling post, I think Tomlin’s teams are going to be fast and aggressive, most violent team and all. His teams will also feature a lot of leadership among the players, and a lot of competition for spots. The offense looks a lot like Dungy as well, fast skill players that can exploit defenses and create mismatches. I don’t think grinding and pounding are Tomlin’s style, we’ll see this year though. This offense is pretty much his now, let’s see how it does the next few years. As for defense, Speed and more speed is what I expect to see, rounded out by experienced smart players that can compliment the athletic guys. It’s a tough balance to find, enough speed and size to not get taken advantage of, and enough intelligent players so your defense doesn’t get out coached.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 26, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
omg
Had no idea it was this long, gah. sorry I can’t go back and edit it.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 26, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Why didn't you just make a fanpost?
Just kidding. It’s all good. Right on topic and good points.
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All good stuff. I loved it. Nothing wrong with saying a lot when you have a lot to say.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Aug 26, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
but we aren’t carrying as much dead weight as we often used to under Cowher.
Clint Kriewaldt anyone
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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 26, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Our team is a lot more balanced and we have much better depth under Tomlin.
Cowher was a QUALITY coach, he coached some great players but behind them, we didnt have much. Not to mention when guys lost their starting jobs, they also became non existant (ala Mike Logan) when there were still avenues to contribute
Tomlin coaches QUALITY and QUANTITY. If youre on the gameday roster, you best be ready to contribute. The expectation doesnt change whether you are the starting quarterback, or the 3rd string defensive end
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 26, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Simply Brilliant
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by Michael Hewitt on Aug 26, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Great article
Great article; A nice change of style from most articles we be reading. We done, great prospective and a good read.
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
Good stuff Rick
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
perfect morning read rec'd
I can only imagine what the pic would look like if Cowher was still coaching..Ike’s visor would be covered with spat.
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by kick him in the head on Aug 26, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions
Great article Rick
We should see exactly what kind of coach Tomlin is in these next two years I think.
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Excellent Article
Its nice to see that someone gives some actual deep thought to an article before posting it on a website. You can’t say that for some of the more “mainstream” websites these days. It must be nice to make a very comfortable living by stating the obvious about teams these days, and calling it journalism, as you get with those “mainstream” websites. Not here though. Where else can you get such a well thought out article, with well thought out comments and replies to boot?! Great Job everyone!
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great article!
i don’t have much to add here, as this is very well done, but i just want to comment that from my outsider’s view of the coach and this team, Tomlin has placed a stronger emphasis on character than Cowher did. i could be completely wrong here, but i remember when Tomlin was first hired, he would refer to the players as “men” rather than football players or guys. he seems to operate out of the belief that he has to treat the players as people first, players second. in my opinion, that is a fantastic leadership/management principle, and i think it is more than just lipservice for Tomlin, as reflected in the kinds of guys he has drafted in early rounds and brings in as free agents. this is also supported by the fact that the steelers pretty much dumped santonio this offseason.
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good point agentorange
and I completely agree. As the years go on I believe that free agents may see Pittsburgh as a preferable destination for precisely that reason. And they may be willing to take a little less money to do so. Time will tell.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Aug 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
LaMar Woodley
I wish they would get this guy signed. He is going to be a major part of that defense. Woodley and Harris are solid at the outside linebacker postion. But the Steelers are undersized and weak at the inside linebacker postion. Worilds or Gibson should be moved to inside postion. Bigger stronger linebackers need to carry out cross-fire blitz. Really hurts the passing game on slants and down the middle. If Troy is not in there then that is really exposed. Baltimore has even gone so far as to tell them this.
Awesome post
Rec’d. Keep it up Puffy jacket and aviators!
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