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The Pittsburgh Steelers Lose to the Denver Broncos 34-17 - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly

DENVER - AUGUST 29:  Quarterback Dennis Dixon just before he was turned into a pancake.

Well that was a painful game to watch.  It left a lot to be desired from our Pittsburgh Steelers, especially for the games where Ben Roethlisberger will be suspended.  I do take a bit of solace knowing that starters Ryan Clark and Bryant McFadden did not play.  Oh, and James Farrior was out for the majority of the game after he suffered a laceration to his face when his helmet came off.  Anyway, let's jump into the notes:

Star-divide

The Good

  • Maurkice Pouncey came out prepared to win the starting center position last night.  From the very first whistle his motor was running hard.  He opened up some very good lanes for Rashard Mendenhall and Isaac Redman and I do not believe he got beaten for a sack at all.
  • Rashard Mendenhall had 5 carries for 28 yards, a 5.6 average.  I was most impressed by his vision last night.  On several plays he made great cut backs when the lanes collapsed and turned nothing into something.
  • Mike Wallace looked like Santonio Holmes on his long reception.  He made some nice cuts in the open field to get an extra ten yards or so.  It kind of feels odd when he does not have at least one play where he beats the secondary deep.  That is not too bad though, it means Wallace was making plays under the safety.  He is not just a one trick pony.
  • Lawrence Timmons is turning heads.  He is making plays sideline to sideline and plugging up holes on the line.  I am beginning to feel much more comfortable with the idea of him 'Quarterbacking' our defense as James Farrior's career winds down.
  • Jonathan Dwyer went for 89 yards and a TD on 13 carries, a 6.8 average.  Even if you "take away" his big run he still had a 4.1 average.  He needed to have a big game to put his name in the 53 man roster discussion and last night certainly helped him. 
  • Ben Roethlisberger.  Ben was Ben.  Systematic, efficient, and an obvious leader when he is out on the field.  It is going to be painful to not have him out there for those first 4 weeks.  I think this team is miles better with him out there.
  • William Gay made an interception last night that looked like something that came from a Troy Polamalu highlight reel.  Nice job Big Play.
  • Speaking of Troy, he finally looked like he was back up to speed last night.  He made some great plays and got into the backfield quickly on a couple of plays.
  • On the same note, I was pleased to see Hines Ward make a few plays in the game.  I think he is going to have another big year.
  • Antonio Brown is really, really fast.  Wow.  I have not seen someone sweep the field that fast before.  Holy cow.
  • Flozell Adams looked pretty good despite one false start call.  He was not great, but he was much better than what we saw the first two games.
  • Charlie Batch, you are the man!  He has no chance of getting playing time in the four weeks in my opinion.  However, if he did, I would not feel uncomfortable with it.
  • Crezdon Butler had a good night for a rookie.  He had a near pick six and a few good passes defended.  He did give up a TD, but he is still learning.

The Bad

  • The defensive line seemed to be losing the battle all night.  Fellow Terrapin Lance Ball was slicing up the defense like a slap chop, going 75 yards on 10 carries.  Even fat LenDale White ran well against the defense, punching it in once for a touchdown on a 3rd and goal.
  • Jonathan Dwyer's blitz pick up.  I put this in the bad, because I saw it only on one play
  • James Farrior's forehead.  Ouch!  That looked like it hurt like hell.  You need to tighten those chin straps up a bit.  Hopefully, he does not need to get stitches, because he is not a snitch.
  • Antonio Brown fielding a punt at the 2 yard line and then standing there and looking like this.  Let that ball soar over your head or "RUN FORREST, RUN!!"
  • Stefan Logan had a wide open door to win back the KR/PR duties last night.  He made a similar deer-in-the-headlights moment like Brown.  I give him mad props for completely up-ending a returner on ST.
  • Did Heath Miller play last night?  Is he invisible to our Quarterbacks, especially in the end zone?
  • Byron Leftwich went 0 for 4 on passing.  I did not put him in the ugly because he had about 1.5 seconds to throw it on every play.  Our OL depth is pretty bad.

The Ugly

  • My worst fears came true with Dennis Dixon last night.  I really wanted Dixon to shine, but I was skeptical about his decision making and his ability to go through his progressions.  Several things about Dixon's play last night really scare me.  He seems to get tunnel vision occasionally and does not look off defenders.  I think the first pick was a prime example of this.  Anyway, to Dixon's credit I think the offense last night was not tailored to fit his style of play and that hurt him a lot.
  • Keenan Lewis looked like the William Gay of last year.  He was beat on every play, had a hard time tackling in space, and could not keep his man in front of him.  I think it is clear that Bryant McFadden's starting job is safe.  To make situations worse Lewis made two moronic late hits in the game.  On the first one, he hit the WR (after he got beat) after he was a good 2 steps out of bounds.  The second time, beaten again, he tackled the guy and then hit him back down to the ground as the WR tried to get up.  If I was Mike Tomlin, Keenan Lewis would not be seeing my field for a long time.
  • The pass rush was nonexistent last night and I think that made our secondary look worse.  I do not recall seeing James Harrison or LaMarr Woodley getting even a hand on Kyle Orton, although Harrison almost knocked out Orton on a "fumble" return.  The only hit I saw on Orton last night was by Lawrence Timmons, and it was a late one.
  • Daniel Sepulveda's kick offs.  I would rather have Jeff Reed's short KOs than an automatic pass to the 40 yard line.  I never understand how you kick it out of bounds off the kick off, unless it takes an unlucky bounce.
  • Trai Essex.  Slow, weak, not good.  Why don't we try Ramon Foster or Justin Hartwig at RG?  There is no way it could be worse.
  • Discipline.  Where was it last night?  Too many stupid fouls.  I hope Tomlin makes it a very hard week of practice.

What did I miss?  Let me know!

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By the way

Did anyone see the hypocycloid formation? It made an appearance last night.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep.

Sanders caught it for an eight-yard gain or something, right? He was the only guy on the right side of the field.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on Aug 30, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I love that formation. Logan stayed “home” at the back of the formation and was wide open again with a good amount of field to work with

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn't a true Cloid though

we discussed in the game thread, the receivers never made it into the diamond shape that gives the hypocloid its name.

a sort of semi cloid if you will.

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If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Aug 30, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

hypocycloid formation?

explain.

"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly

"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Aug 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? When?

I was there and I missed it – was it the play to run out the clock before the half?

by SteelCurtain4Life on Aug 30, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was having flash backs of last season last night.....

"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly

"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Aug 30, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

aww man...lol!

"In Hoc Signo Vinces!" (With this as your standard, you shall have victory!) -Constantine I

by Webslasher81 on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good summary.

I had forgotten the whiff by Dwyer on the blitz pick up, that wasn’t pretty at all. Glad he started to show some life with running though. May be too little, too late.

Rather than get too upset, it is only the preseason, I’m going trust the coaches to lay into the team for the lack of effort and wait for the opening game.

Any chance some of the starters play Thursday to make up for last night?

by dawgs144 on Aug 30, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Essex was worse than ugly

His play was just God-Awful. You’re dead on that Foster should at RG. My primary concern is the o-line because I firmly believe they set the tone for the game and all I saw from Essex was mistakes and an apparent lack of effort. I know the injury to Colon may have the coaches looking for some consistency and experience on the right side, but Essex is a major liability.

I'm your huckleberry

by CLK47 on Aug 30, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Mike Pouncey

next draft, if they have no faith in urbik or foster

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Brother Pouncey and Kemo

would be an awesome combo in the middle of the line, there would be all sorts of running room up the middle

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This season hasn't even started

and you guys are seriously talking about next year?

You have taken “just wait til next year” to a whole new level.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

give me a break

those who don’t prepare for the future are doomed to be left in the past

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 30, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

It really is important to the success of the Steelers that the fans look ahead and begin talking about who the team might draft in future years.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Nothing wrong with it, its not giving up on this season. Its simply looking ahead. I expect to have a great season. But I think its ignorant to take the position that, ‘oh if you take about the future then you have given up on this season’.

Please, I believe you are smart. I know you can understand that ‘looking ahead’ while ‘getting ready for this year’ are not ideas that are mutually exclusive.

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 30, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, well

I was making a joke about the wait til next year thing.

Admittedly I don’t get why people would look ahead to these things when there is just so many variables still to play out yet. No games have been played. Nobody knows who will draft where, what player might get hurt (in college or the pros), who might step (again, either college or pros).

However, I also recognize that because I don’t get it doesn’t mean others shouldn’t and so I will going forward, on this particular topic, keep my opinions to myself.

Unless I think of something funny to say.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its all good

I guess its the way you say stuff that causes problems you know.

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 30, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

That just makes me laugh

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad it does

:)

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 30, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets all be cool to world

In a round about way, he’s come a looong way towards toning down his sarcasm. I, frankly, agree with his sentiment that it’s insane to start talking about this year. I do of course agree it’s not mutually exclusive in that one can be pumped about this year while also taking a moment to look ahead.

Let’s just remember that ‘trip is a unique fellow, but an integral part of our community. He is who he is and he’s not at all busting balls in an unfair way like he perhaps has before.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean on Aug 31, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

read:

that it’s insane to start talking about NEXT year.

Aren’t offseasons hard enough to get through. Let’s save next year’s fodder for next year.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean on Aug 31, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand

where he came from. When I said I’m glad it does, I wasn’t being sarcastic, I can see how it came off that way. I was being serious. I was happy it made him laugh. Laughter is good and it wasn’t a bad kind of laughter.

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 31, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

cheers

All’s well. I know you know how to play by the rules. You’ve always been fair and patient with people, even when critical of their views or what not. All good

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean on Aug 31, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should be noted though

I’m the sort that really knows nothing about the college potential stars, people to watch. To the extent that people can say “watch this guy, he could be a great NFL running back” would be beneficial for me, and give me an excuse to watch college ball better.

That would be about the only benefit of anyone talking about a ‘draft’- at least I’d learn some names to watch.

by SteelersVT on Aug 31, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

Here in north carolina people love college sports. It gets more play than the pros. Especially in the triangle area, so you get brushed up on your college sports before you get to the pros. People tend to prefer college over pros here, with UNC, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, ECU all within about a 2 hour radius from each other, except ECU to Wake Forest, thats a trip; you can hardly blame them. So its easy to look at the college landscape from this environment and see the future of the NFL. Not that the schools here are chop full of NFL talent bu they make you aware of the other teams that are, especially being in between SEC and Big East country.

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 31, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

word

good point.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean on Aug 31, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i find it hard to believe you’d defend any other members that are similar to him… favoritism isn’t becoming.

by klompus on Aug 31, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

gross

no one wants to see them mouth-kissing eachother after you score….

just a jab fellas, don’t take it too seriously

it comes down to mind over matter....if you don't mind, it won't matter

by TruWhoDey on Aug 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i remember that, it was funny

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 30, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig Wolfley

Wolfley said on the radio broadcast that Essex had a “great game in the first half” except for the sack he gave up. I have a hard time rating offensive lineman, so I will go with Wolfley’s assessment.

Wexell said that Urbik and Legursky had very good games as well. I didn’t watch the second half (yet), so I will have to go with Wex.

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin

by ekl on Aug 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good write up Johnny.

The game was not our best effort, but thanks for reminding us that there were some good moments during the game. There were some last night, and will be in the future that just see the score and focus on all the bad and the ugly. It is just the preseason. Now woudl be the time to have a game film of how NOT to play the game, then during the season.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

to be fair

the offense didnt play to Dixons strengths at all, (thanks again BA) to me it looked like they were trying to keep him in the pocket to much, let him do play action or some roll outs or something, his feet is his weapon, you were right about him having tunnel vision and slow through his progressions, he needs to look off the defenders better, Dixon’s first (i think) INT wasnt all his fault, he had defenders all over him and the WR (Sanders i think) didnt make an aggressive play on the ball, the second INT was his fault but that was just the inexperience there, a little bit higher and it would have been better, Lefty didnt play any better though, im sure the O-line didnt help either, it was practically none existent, seriously how can it be that bad, most of our O-linemen must be just too plain lazy to block their man, idk maybe the altitude got to them but its no excuse,

"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly

"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Aug 30, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Some good points.

I did see at least 3 times they had a rollout, but DD handed the ball off and would roll out, there would be no one around him. If he could have given a good fake there he probably could have gotten a good 10-15 yards at least, or found an open receiver. not sure why BA couildn’t see it, or if he did, why he chose to ignore it. Oh well….

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about BA

Having BA as a OC is like putting a paintbrush in an engineer’s hand.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

In BA's defense

We are not going to open the playbook in a pre-season game. Base D and Base O for the most part. None of our QBs looked overly impressive last night. Not that I am one for excuses of any sort but a night game in August in Denver can have some ill effects on your head.

I loved what I saw from Dwyer. Steeler nation has been tough on this kid from day one. He was hurt at the start of camp and may be now just becoming healthy on top of trying to learn a new playbook. He has always had a knack for big plays and I like that ability from any RB in any system.

by TheCommish on Aug 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwyer

I really wish he didn’t look so good. How they heck are we supposed to hide him on the practice squad?

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 30, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Engineer digs ? — really?

good thing it doesn’t take creative talent to design the modern world.

by Steely McSmash on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Engineers are generally not artistic

They are very good at math and there is nothing wrong with that.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're crazy

the two are unrelated.

If you’re going to compare something to BA expect it to fight back!

by Steely McSmash on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

The two are related. It’s right brain vs. left brain.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the most part all people have both halves...

It’s like suggesting that you can’t have strong legs and strong arms at the same time.

How about something like this: Having BA as a OC is like hiring a blind photographer.

by Steely McSmash on Aug 30, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

There are blind photographers, we’ve hosted a gallery for one a few years back as a eye-opener for others. Any artistic creation is a worthwhile endeavor, no matter the perceived or expected inability by others.

by SteelersVT on Aug 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok then how about this

having BA as OC is like a world without Isaac Redman

"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.

by count'em_six on Aug 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't seem worth living

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

no..not at all my friend

Although…the irony in this is that Isaac Redman does in fact exist whilst having BA as OC. So my guess is that BA is not really BA…more like the devil in the flesh.

"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.

by count'em_six on Aug 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

quite possibly

Especially since he has put Redzone in the fullback position…a position BA historically does not acknowledge…

"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.

by count'em_six on Aug 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having BA as an OC is like having

dead batteries in the remote.
A vodka bottle filled with water.
A Ferrari with a 80 mph rev limiter.
ad. nas.

by SteelersVT on Aug 30, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like rain on your wedding day
A free ride when you already paid

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...Allanis Morissett?

Really?

I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!

-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

by Steel Spike on Aug 30, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.

by count'em_six on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shame on you

I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!

-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

by Steel Spike on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwyer looked pretty good in his first time getting alot of playing time, probably would have looked better if the O-line played better…… Butler looked pretty good as well almost got a pick6, made an excellent play on the ball, good’ol bait and switch, but he also gave up a TD. what was with our D, i hate the fact that they made Tebow look good, now the Tebow worshipers will never shut up

"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly

"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Aug 30, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

This ^

I turned the TV off in the third quarter…but saw the TD pass by Teblow. It was like he was trying to shoot a fade away jumper on the hard court…it’s a pretty common pass for the local Turkey Bowl, but in the NFL…no way….

by rju103 on Aug 30, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite play of the game

when Dwyer carried 5 or 6 tacklers about 10 yards. I like that kind of hard running and am hoping that they don’t try to put him on the practice squad. If the kid can learn his assignments and keep working, he may be able to contribute.

by SteelersFnRule on Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Johnny

Is there someplace to see the final stats for the game. I am curious because the score is somewhat deceiving. When you take off the 14 points we gave them on pick 6s, their offense only scored 20 points. There were times we still played like crap, but I wonder how the games stats compare.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

there's this one

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010082951/2010/PRE3/steelers@broncos#tab:analyze

Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.

If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can look up boxscores anywhere

I usually use Yahoo because it is add free compared to NFL and ESPN.

NFL.com has some deeper stats though.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at the stats, can't look too much at work..

it appears this was one of those games we had the better stats overall, but they beat us with the one that counts—final score. we had more passing, rushing yards, TOP. They had more return yards thanks to the 3 INTS, 2 of which went for TDs, and they had fewer penalties. Not stealingthe stat thunder fromJohnny and those who post them, I had one of those curious moments.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

We dominated most box scores last year as well

except for the Turnover category. The biggest difference between 11-5 and 7-9 will be turnovers. I hope we can get that in line. With a healthy troy and willie gay at nickel back we may see our INTs go up significantly though.

by TheCommish on Aug 30, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry but you really couldn’t just find any one of the myriad of sites that have the statistics? You had to ask Johnny?

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

No harm, no foul

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never really looked for them before.

I checked the Steelers site thinking they may have them posted like they do during the season, but didn’t find them there. Sorry if you got offended for whatever reason.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

bad night last night?

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Aug 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugly mistakes that go unnoticed

With 11 seconds left in the half (after the pick six), why would you take a touchback instead of trying to return the kick? So what if it doesn’t work work well and you are pinned near your goal line? With 11 seconds, it doesn’t matter. Try to return the kick and maybe you will score. Some of these guys aren’t smart enough to understand the nuances of the game (I think it was the beloved Isaac who held the return man back), but where is your Special Teams Coach? How can he not huddle with the return team and say “OK guys, there are only 11 seconds left. Return the ball no matter how deep in the end zone…” This man is paid around the year to understand special teams for crying out loud. I know it might not have made any difference, but I want the team to be smart, not stupid. You can’t control being outplayed at times, but you can control a simple understanding of the game.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Aug 30, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point,

you never know the opposition may not expect the run back and you catch them off guard leading to a big return, maybe even a TD

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

You never know what could happen, especially with special teams, all it takes is one guy to fall down and boom its 6.

Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.

by tannofsteel84 on Aug 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point

Or call a trick play return and see how it goes. That’s what the preseason’s for.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't help but hide my eyes last night

Thanks for reminding me that there was indeed some good, it just didn’t come from any of the QBs not named Ben.

Ask count’em how many times I said “holy crap, Timmons is all over the field!”

Count’em said at least a half dozen times “Dude, are you watching Pouncey?!?”

My game buddy is in Mid-season form and wants to cut everyone from the team “Dwyer sucks, he’s gone, Dixon sucks, cut him,” blah blah blah. I need to get DirectTV this year so I don’t have to watch the games at his house anymore.

Loved Tomlin grabbing Lewis by the Jersey and giving him the what for.

And, finally, I’m a lot less confident after last night that the Steelers can somehow manage to enter the buy at 2-2. I sure hope our Defense is as lights out as I have been touting them to be.

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

QB

I was all about giving him a shot with the 1s. He did not rise to the ocassion. And, if what some have proposed is true, that Arians failed to game plan properly to Dixon’s strengths, well, I’m back on the SHITCAN ARIANS NOW bandwagon. Come on you stubborn SOB, how long have you been doing this?

The problem now is, this doesn’t exactly given me any more faith that Leftwich will do any better. Not because of his performance last night. I think he can be partially acquitted for his performance last night because our OL had more holes than swiss cheese in the 2nd half. I am quite surprised that he even survived. I also thought Charlie was going to die at one point.

In any event, I am scared to death now of our QB situation weeks 1-4. Can TB still throw a ball?

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

TB?

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the guy!

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we sign Jeff Garcia?

Love that guy

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, I sign him in a flash at this point

Cutting Leftwich to clear the roster spot of course.

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Bubby Brister

I’m sure he can still complete a pass

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tommy Gun!!!

I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!

-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

by Steel Spike on Aug 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does your game buddy by chance go by the name chill will, or whatever it was?

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually it is a 3rd party

count’em is my brother.

no, I don’t think my other buddy has ever been on a blog. not sure he knows how to type.

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't say I was much better than your buddy last night

Lewis playing terribly put my whole game-watching experience in a bad light. I was quite the negative nancy in the game thread.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes you were

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Aug 30, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have put Tomlin in the Good

For giving Lewis the “what’s up”

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep...eyes were on Pouncey the entire time...

…the offense was on the field and my eyes were open…(long day at pool w/ beers and kraken rum…anyone ever have that?) He lookede great man…I don’t think he even got backed up at all…he stood up the line and was again blocking one direction and picking up blitzes in the other. Completely sold on him at this point. Great first round pick…again…

Mike wanted someone else cut and I can’t remember now…I have a feeling I’m going to be even more annoyed at him (at times) this year…just because I’ve been paying so much more attention to everything this go ‘round….and I know he surely hasn’t…

D absolutely has to be huge to start the season. ST can’t kill us either. I pretty much expect both. Even though Dixon left something to be desired last night…I haven’t lost faith that we can go 2-2 in Ben’s absence…maybe a bounce in our direction makes it 3-1.

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by count'em_six on Aug 30, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you notice Lewis's eyes

He wanted to be anywhere else but where he was at that moment.

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I learned last night

- Dennis Dixon is not ready. Sure with game experience he could get there, and if Ben was out the whole year you start Dixon to let him get better. But for 4 games, you bring him in on occasion to show the defense something new but you do not start the man. Glad Tomlin gave him lot’s of opportunities, but time to declare Lefty your starter. And I’m not buying the whole they didn’t play to his strengths stuff. They gave him the normal package and he had troubles executing it.

- Keenan Lewis has some growing up to do. His focus was lacking.

- Pouncey held his own for the most part. I think I noticed 2 big mistakes but I was looking for them. One was a play where the NT tossed him to the side to make a stop for no gain, the other was a pass protection where he didn’t find anyone to block while someone ran past him on his right. Neither are the worst things ever and I think his overall talent still wins him the starting job.

- Brown needs to be humbler. Fielding that punt was dumb. I think he got into his head that he was the key returner and he should just show off. I think the returner position remains open going into game 4. Hard to determine much from that game because of the high altitude making kick returns nearly impossible.

- Timmons is coming on strong this year. His penalty was dumb but he looks beastly out there. He’s tossing people aside.

- Troy will be fine.

- William Gay is still a good slot corner.

- Butler has good instincts. I hope we can find room for him on the roster.

- I still vote we try to get Dwyer on the practice squad. He did fine against the scrubs, but his first 5 runs looked awful and his blitz pick up is non-existent. plus he caused a penalty when he did the wrong play so Byron had to toss the ball away. We can keep Mendy (who looked good), Redman, Moore, and either Summers or Wright whoever the coaches like more to play some FB.

-Hartwig has given up. His play with the second team was abysmal.

-James Harrison wants to hurt QBs. It doesn’t matter if he’s on offense or defense. If you don’t want him to hit you, stay out of his way.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Re Pouncey on the one pass protection

I was watching that too. The Broncos ran a stunt and it looked like the whole line was confused on how to handle it. Stunts by the defensive line are one of those fancy, high end kind of plays that the line just seems to struggle with. It’s a good thing very few teams run them.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stunts

Often take an extra second to get home. So if your QB can see it coming they can check down quickly. But the line has to learn to slide better.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic

I’m pretty sure stunts are pretty commonplace even in college. The Steelers line just seem to communicate poorly too often. There was certainly improvement overall this game, and I have not doubt Pouncey is a big reason for that.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just be aware

that it’s the center’s job to communicate to the rest of the line how the blocking is handled. So Pouncey may have been a factor in the poor communication. If so, it’s one of those things that comes with time and experience.

I basically agree with all of your points. Right now I have no clue who should return punts or kickoffs. Randle El?

by zacharai on Aug 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

A further note

- Tony Hills is playing much better. On one screen I was impressed to see him dive to get a piece of a defender knocking him out of the play at which point Dwyer promptly tripped over his feet and fell out of bounds.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crap another thing I wanted to mention

I think Flozell played well this game. Happy to see that.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would anyone seriously be surprised at this point

if Hartwig is in fact granted his release?

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he wants to be released

If he is on the roster for the beginning of the season he makes $2 million. If he’s dumped he doesn’t. And no guarantee another team picks him up, and if they do it’s likely for vet minimum.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

let me re-phrase that. Would anyone seriously be suprised at this point if the Steelers cut Hartwig to clear a roster spot for one of the young guys?

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even setting the money aside, Hartwig is a one-position backup; Legursky is a 3-position swing backup that still has upside, not to mention an important role in the Bronco Legursky goal line package. :-)

I would be surprised, with Tomlin’s ever-present emphasis on position flexibility, if Hartwig was still on the roster come opening day.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Aug 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you both

I don’t think he wants to be released. I also would not be surprised if he is released.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read somewhere, can't remember where at the moment, he wants to stay with the Steelers..

and alluded to the possibility of playing G instead of C if they needed him to.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh great

That will solve our lack of mediocre depth at Guard!

If we got a 7th for Mahan, can we get a 6th for Hartwig? Maybe trade him for a decent FB?

by Steely McSmash on Aug 30, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

With how Essex looked

don’t you think Hartwig would be a step up? He’s not a long-term solution, but he could be an upgrade.

by zacharai on Aug 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on Dixon

Some people are so heavily entrenched on the Dixon bandwagon that now it’s supposed to be Arians’ fault if he played bad. Sorry but he’s simply not ready as a passer. He offers escapability and some upside but what we saw last night against real competition (and not a top-notch secondary might I add) is a clear indication that the guy is not as good as some of us would have him be. Not at this point, anyway. Case closed IMHO.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 things

Denver actually has a pretty strong secondary, and if Leftwich comes out and sucks next week or in the first game, is the case back open, IYOH?

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Body of work

Leftwich has one, Dixon has next to none. Lefty doesn’t need to prove as much in the action he gets. His strengths and weaknesses are a better known commodity and can be tailored to. Now if Leftwich stinks up the joint, I’m not saying we shouldn’t consider an alternative, but we better pray we find a way to make the most of Dixon’s talents because he’s real skittish in the pocket at this point.

And with Champ Bailey out and a 5th round pick in his place at corner, that secondary was not supposed to look this good. They’ve got talent but are really up there in age as well. I could be wrong, but the Bungles’ starters scare me a heck of lot more than the last night’s group.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes well the Bengals have maybe the best corner combo in the league. They are certainly in the top 5.

I ask about if you would bench Leftwich because of all the knee jerk reactions from people that this game means DD is clearly not ready. He had a tough game, no doubt. But even if he doesn’t start the season, I want to see him get some playing time. He made some plays, and he is smart. This was a good learning experience for him and will only make him better and more ready when called upon in the regular season. I really do believe that. I hope I’m right.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understood

And I agree with you, Dixon should see the field in special packages. To me, though, it’s not a knee-jerk reaction because what we saw yesterday we already had hints of in DD’s previous stints.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 30, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t just want to see him in special packages or isolated situations. I hope he comes in for entire series upon occasion. And then just run very specific plays that take advantage of his unique skill set.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Not in a wildcat kind of way, but as a designed series. I think that’s how we’ll win, playing to both QBs’ strengths. I just don’t see Dixon playing the whole game just yet.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That 5th round pick is talented enough to be a 1st round pick

he fell because of character issues.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

by Steel in FL on Aug 30, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still a rookie

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

still preseason

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

by Steel in FL on Aug 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

that it is!

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 31, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keenen Lewis starting to look like a punk

Worst moment for me was Keenen Lewis when he was getting benched had to be grabbed by Tomlin and held there so Tomlin could talk to him. Then instead of looking Tomlin in the eye like a man, Lewis keeps his eyes diverted and is rolling them at words he doesn’t like, then just sits on the bench in a hissy fit the rest of the night. If Keenen Lewis were on my team, that would put him in street clothes for at least 4 games. When I played sports if you screwed up, you took your beating and you looked your coach in the eyes when he told you what you did wrong. If you don’t respect your coach enough to do that then you don’t deserve to be on the team.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Aug 30, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

depends on why he was doing it

If he was disgusted with himself and couldn’t get out of the moment I understand it. I do the same thing sometimes. But if he felt it was unjustified then sit him for a while and see how he responds.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

“talk” to him. That didn’t look like talking to me. I don’t usually drop the F word in casual talking. That looked like PO’d, going to kill ya yelling.

I do not agree that Lewis looks like a punk though. I did not see him role his eyes.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

his eyes were rolling or avoiding Tomlin

More avoiding I thought.

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man up....

When the Head Coach is talking to you, and looking you in the eye, you do NOT look away. You do not act like a punk.

Too many of these jocks are used to having their asses kissed and have serious delusions about their importance and the place in the scheme of things.

Coaches and certain players are going to have serious conversations with Lewis – what politicians call “come to Jesus” talks. If he “gets it,” there’s real hope for the kid. If he doesn’t he’s outta here real soon.

He messed up REAL BAD last night. But I don’t think his days as a Steeler are over… yet.

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by Homer J. on Aug 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read this in a Post Gazette article...
After the game, a frustrated Lewis smashed a sign on the wall outside the Steelers’ locker room, shattering glass. When Tomlin was told of the incident, he told conditioning coordinator Garrett Giemont to make sure Lewis pays for the damage.

“I just hit the wall,” Lewis said. “I got to control my actions.”

This doesn’t do him any favors… His decisions throughout the night got even worse, obviously.

Source for the quote: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10242/1083698-66.stm

by k7brown on Aug 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope his butt is not allergic to metal and wood

He is going to be doing a lot of sitting this season.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

he has passion

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Aug 30, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Essex was terrible, what happened to Foster? Fortunate it was preseason.

by mastewa on Aug 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

Didn’t see Foster until the second half. And that line looked atrocious.

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 30, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't get it

He looked good last year and all the sudden he gets no respect

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The answer I keep hearing

Is that they want someone with more experience at guard if they’re starting a rookie at center. I think that makes sense to some extent. Given his own troubles picking up even the most basic blitzes and stunts, would you want Kemo as you most experienced guard helping your rookie center with line calls? I wouldn’t. By contrast, Essex has a reputation for being one of the smarter linemen on our roster.

On the other hand, if you’re not physical enough to handle your man, it doesn’t really matter how smart you are. Seems a little like a no-win situation until Pouncey gets more comfortable and can make all the calls without a lot of help.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bad: Larry Foote. Can almost make a case of being in the ugly category.

Ugly: Jeff Reed’s kickoffs. Especially when the other guy in Denver was booming his kicks past the goal post.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Aug 30, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Reed did any kickoffs last night, they were all Sepulvada.

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by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did some kickoffs for sure.

I think probably in the second half.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well definitely none in the first half, and if he did any in the second half I sure don’t remember them

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

As few time as we scored, it seems someone would notice.

I don’t rememebr seeing Reed kicking off

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was in the second half and he did kick off couple of times

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010082951/2010/PRE3/steelers@broncos#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story/tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

Come on guys, why would I make up such stuff?

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Aug 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

kicking

Reed to 8 and 3 yard lines
Sep to the 1(out of bounds), and the 12

by Steely McSmash on Aug 30, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

The last two kick offs by the Steelers in the 4th qtr. I stand corrected.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, sorry.

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

There is no excuse for EVERY kickoff in Denver to land in the end zone or farther if your kicker has a leg. The thin air makes kickers look fabulous up here.

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by sadaraine on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet, ours looked mediocre at best

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by Steel Spike on Aug 30, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts

If I’m Tomlin, I’m not comfortable with Antonio Brown as a returner. The way people were talking, it seemed as if the return spot was his job to lose after last week (which was by no means spectacular), and I think he lost it last night with two dumb, dumb returns (and a third maryrose references above, though as he points out, that one wasn’t really his fault). I don’t know how we keep Logan on the roster, but I think unless Sanders shows something next week, you have to make room somehow.

I don’t think Sanders looked great, but I don’t know how much you can read into last night’s performance. He showed pretty nice hands on his catch out of the Hypocycloid formation, and fought off a jam to make that catch. He also looked lost as the intended target on two interceptions, but he learned the whole offense from a new position this past week – I feel like if there’s any place he’s likely to struggle, it’s on his route running and being in position.

I think it’s funny that our starting O-line looked much improved today and Ben and Dixon had more time to throw while Leftwich was scrambling for his life with the second team, whereas in the last couple games our O-line seemed to stabilize as the game went on and Dixon had more time to look good in the second half. The difference? Pouncey. I don’t think there’s any question you start him, and I think it’s time to cut ties with Hartwig, even in an uncapped year. We need the roster space.

Speaking of Dixon, I said after the first week he’d earned some time with the starters. Well, he got it…I’m satisfied, it’s time to move on. I agree with posters above who said the game wasn’t planned to his strengths as well as it could have been, and who knows, that may have been Arians’s intention (maybe he game-planned to illustrate Dixon’s weaknesses and get the media off his back? Cold, I know…), but I think no matter what the game-plan is, you have to go through your reads and find the open man, or at least avoid the stupid throws in the process. I was on the Dixon train, but he didn’t show me last night he could do either against starters. Give him a package, and let him come in when you’ve game-planned to his strengths, but this team won’t go 1-3 with him starting.

As for Leftwich, I wouldn’t put too much stock in his performance last night. His protection was abysmal, and as I said above, I think he’s had to play behind more porous lines for most of the preseason than the other QB contenders. I don’t know that he’ll be flashy, but he definitely gives us the best chance to win.

I’m not sold on Dwyer. He had some good runs against scrubs, showed some leg strength moving the pile and broke a long one, but this is the first I’ve seen anything impressive from him. I heard he looked great in OTAs, but he’s struggled in camp so far and one game does not earn him a spot on our 53, especially when he still made a few blatant errors against backups. If we can sneak him on the practice squad, great (Redman was much more impressive in preseason last year and still made it to the PS), but I don’t see him making the team. He doesn’t offer anything at RB (or on ST) we can’t find with another, more polished back.

I really had high hopes for Keenan Lewis last night. We really, really need B-Mac to stay healthy for this defense to be top caliber, because Lewis isn’t the answer. Nothing that hasn’t already been said, but getting turned around every other play and committing 100% avoidable 15-yard penalties is a very dangerous combination.

I’m glad to see Gay make a play; I’m expecting him to shine again as a nickel back. His pick was an example of using him to his strengths.

Will Allen looked like Ryan Clark on that hit that forced the ball out. He looked pretty good in coverage as well (he cleaned up for Lewis on more than one occasion); I’m more comfortable with him as our primary S backup than I was with Tyrone Carter, that’s for sure.

I still say start Sepulveda on kickoffs. Even Reed has kicked it out of bounds every now and then; I’d rather start from the 40 once a game than give up one kickoff return for a touchdown per game, and Supulveda did singlehandedly prevent yet another return for a touchdown in the fourth quarter, fighting off a block to do so (dude’s a beast).

Timmons, Polamalu, Mendenhall, Harrison, Ben, Wallace and Hines are ready to play. That’s encouraging.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Aug 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1 on the last note

I think that is the most important thing to take away. I’d add Pouncey to that one. And I would add Woodley.

I think Pouncey could end up being our MVP for the first four games and the unsung hero for the season. He makes that much of an impact.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few observations:

Ben’s first trip to the red zone, 1st and 10, Ben throws it away??

After Antonio Brown can’t cross the five yard line after fielding a punt…The O lines up in the I formation, and we get a handoff to Redman the fullback, who takes up the middle for four yards. Next play handoff to Mendy, up the middle again, this one for a first down. Really nice to see the presence of the running game!
Ike Taylor uses his hands to sack Brady Quinn.
Gay interception: really hoped this would give the secondary a boost.

Halftime thoughts- Thank goodness this is preseason. We still have work to do on O, D, kickoffs, kickoff returns, I didn’t just say special teams because Sepulveda did punt well.
We just don’t seem quite ready. Miller hasn’t caught a pass yet? No one has gotten past Pouncey.

Dixon has 4th and one, we call timeout. Moore and Redman in the backfield, Heath motions, Dixon keeps it and runs to the right, for a loss of six. Come on, that call just sucks.

 

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree on the 4th down call

On a short yardage play like that you have to have a ‘bread and butter’ play where you run behind your best OL (IMO Pouncey). Give it to Redman or Mendy and let them fight for the gain. I think our OL was winning enough of the battles to be confident in that type of call.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes they are experimenting with plays in the preseason.

Like I said at the time that it happened, I don’t have a problem with the call of rolling him out and giving him a run/pass option. I just wasn’t thrilled with the execution.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

When we need one yard

Why can’t we experiment up the middle?

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t we want to see how we can use Dixon’s athleticism in certain situations? If the Steelers are going to start Leftwich but use Dixon situationally, that is the exact situation I expect he will be used.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

And preseason is perfect for seeing how it might work. At this point they have to feel pretty comfortable with Redman up the middle for 1. Now you see if you can get a bigger play built off of it.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus showing it early can potentially make the up the middle run more effective in the future.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

On forth and one, I hope we come up with a “bread and butter play” that does not involve substituting our QB. We could even use it now and then, when Ben comes back.

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you don't remember

When Kordell was still Slash and not just the qb, they used to bring him in for those situations. It was pretty effective and powerful.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you don't remember

When we ran it up the middle, when they knew we were going to run it up the middle.
Yes, I remember Slash being used like this. My point was, that I can’t remember, the last time we ran up the middle to get one yard. To me, that is a very important part of a playbook.

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok I’m done. I liked seeing them experiment with other options and give teams other things to think about.

You want to see them practice going up the middle because they weren’t effective at it last year.

We aren’t going to agree.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the year before as I recall.
We don’t have to agree on this, we can enjoy sarcasm instead.

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Running more effectively, to me means just what you just said:

On a short yardage play like that you have to have a ‘bread and butter’ play

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heath had several receptions in the Giants game

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 31, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heath, Keenan and Maurkice

My fleet impressions were that Heath was either kept in to block, or was double covered (as he was on the interception that was targeting Spaeth). Either explanation is plausible, as the OL is still struggling, and, with Tone’s departure, teams figure we’ll throw to him more.
I really did not like Keenan’s body language when Tomlin intercepted him. Even though the penalty was borderline, you don’t try to run by your coach when he’s yelling at you, and you look him in the eyes, not away.
I, too, was guilty of looking ahead to next draft and imagining the Pouncey twins on our OL. I too, thought that Hartwig just quit, which means we have another problem on our hands if we start Maurkice at C: no credible backup, and a problem at G, as others have noted.

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by Flying Polamalus on Aug 30, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

On Dixon's 1st INT

If I’m not mistaken, that was Spaeth who released and went to the back of the endzone- this was by design? or just a broken down bit of poor execution? Just didn’t seem like Dixon had many options built into that roll out. Granted he should have just thrown it away but as already said, doesn’t seem like plays are really being suited to skills and personnel.

by thedonger on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

i say give logan summer's spot on the roster

it’s not like he’s gonna dress for games anyway

by t1mmy10 on Aug 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mewelde Moore on the Bubble

I think Summers is going to make the team. He has been pretty competent as a lead blocker and as that extra back … in fact, I think that Mewelde Moore might not make the roster in favor of Frank the Tank. Moore has looked old during this preseason, and his hands haven’t looked quite as reliable as they have in the past. Furthermore, Summers looks like he can pick up blitzes and catch passes out of the backfield.

So I don’t know … Moore is the safe choice, but Summers has more upside. He could be a surprise cut.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 31, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

moore is far more experienced

and although (in your opinion) you think summers has been a competent blocker, that’s the only roster spot (FB) he is seriously competing for. he’s received NO carries this preseason, thus the team doesnt view him as a viable option at RB.

it’s one thing if you think that other RBs should leap frog moore, but the steelers aren’t going to cut their only backup RB with a regular season carry for a FB.

by t1mmy10 on Aug 31, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was the perfect example

of why we play four pre-season games. If we had played just two, we would have gone with this starting lineup and we would have done about as well as we did. No! to the 18 game season.

Pouncy was a monster last night for the most part. He starts.

Gay isn’t nearly as bad as all you make him out to be.

Arians is why we can’t win in the red zone.

50 yards in penalties in the first half of the first quarter can and will be cleaned up. (counting the out of bounds kick off)

David Johnson steals Matt Spaeth’s spot. (much better blocker)

Sanders and Dwyer to the practice squad, Brown is kick returner and Logan is cut. (Brown has more upside)

All that said, glad we have one more pre-season to get our stuff together.

by Damnscot on Aug 30, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Sanders won't be going to the PS

He played okay last night, not awful. He is better as a slot guy right now and could easily develop as a ‘Z’ with more time.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

we already have an experienced slot guy in Arnez Battle and Antonio Brown has had a better showing than Sanders.

by Damnscot on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Battle is a STer, not much else. Sanders has played great in the slot and blocks better than Brown. I’ll bet Sanders makes the 53 and is higher on the depth chart than both Brown and Battle

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take that bet

I think Brown showed more and, at least initially, Battle is more game-ready as a fourth receiver.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any terms?

Or friendly wager?

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you both forgotten about Randle El in this discussion?

Or did I miss something?

I bet a fun thing would be to go way back in time to where there was going to be an eclipse and tell the cave men, "If I have come to destroy you, may the sun be blotted out from the sky." Just then the eclipse would start, and they'd probably try to kill you or something, but then you could explain about the rotation of the moon and all, and everyone would get a good laugh.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

My list goes

1. Wallace
2. Ward
3. ARE
4. Sanders
5. Battle
6. Brown (if Logan is cut)

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

+6 on you list

I agree: no way they cut Sanders. He was trying to learn a new position last night. That means he is already good at his slot role.

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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by ekl on Aug 30, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, your list.

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin

by ekl on Aug 30, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are all these guys going to dress?

If they keep Battle, I imagine he’d dress on game days. If they keep Brown and cut Logan, I imagine he’d dress on game days as a returner. If that’s the case, would they dress Sanders as well? That seems excessive.

I do agree, Sanders won’t make it to the PS and has looked too good to cut. I just don’t see him playing a lot this year.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Aug 30, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hold our judgement on the returns

Brown looked bad against Denver and I think his balance is bad. Let Sanders return punts before we hand someone the job.

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by John Stephens on Aug 31, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, mine then

1. Ward
2. Wallace
3. ARE
4. Battle
5. Brown
6. Sanders

There is no if, they all make the squad. Brown and Sanders are very close but I like Brown’s explosiveness and upfield burst.

If Brown develops as a returner, Sanders is the one that doesn’t dress. Yet.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 31, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and Johnny...

I see what you did by putting Wallace in front of Ward and I like it. But for now I still can’t put the prodigy in front of the master.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Aug 31, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I put Wallace first because I think he will be the first look on more passing plays than Ward. That is no knock on Ward.

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by John Stephens on Aug 31, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I don’t think our offense determines their #1 WR based on what the defense does. I think they base it on who’s hands they are trying to get the ball in more than the others. That guy might not necessarily get more recs because he could draw double coverage, but more often than not he is the first look.

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by John Stephens on Aug 31, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was really nice to see our secondary catch interceptions. Two in one game. That has been a rare thing of late.

by Damnscot on Aug 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about BA and redzone

He makes head-scratching calls in the red zone. 3rd and 1 and he has Dixon run a keeper around end where he has to run laterally 5 yards deep before turning it up. You can’t get away with that in the NFL. Our RBs were penetrating well because if nothing else, our line can run block. Why not hand it off to Redman? Your in the red zone and it’s preseason, so you can go for it on 4th if need be. BA made the same red zone calls all last year.

by qwikdoc on Aug 30, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple thoughts

Dwyer didn’t look good as a north south guy if he makes contact near the line for what I saw. I didn’t see the beginning of the play where he carried some guys but otherwise between the tackles he had something like a 1-2 YPC.

I tried to keep track of Summers as well. He looked to be running past guys he should have been blocking on an end around. He’s made some ST tackles though. I wouldn’t save a roster spot for him at this point

No sightings of the RB/FB Wright. Is he out of the picture?

Maybe a bit more of a look at Memo than you would expect.

Tomlin made this more of a test than it had to be to see where some guys were. To me that applies to Dixon, Brown and Sanders. Dixon seeing different plays and Brown and Sanders running at different positions. Making it a challenge is not neccesarily a bad thing in my book.

What’s interesting in preseason is the difference in depth on teams. Could Denver be deep at LB (pass rush pressure) and WR? Could be the difference in 2nd half showings as compared to prior weeks. Maybe 2nd line is missing Pouncey as well though!

K. Lewis did not look good in run support at all. Several whiffs from him on plays in the flat.

A. Brown has good hands which is 50% of being a KR in my mind. He’s a north south returner rather than a Logan / Randle El side to side setup type guy. I’m not sure I have a warm fuzzy about where his head is though. I’m personally in favor of keeping Logan as KR and extreme backup to WR, BR. Brown could stll have a shot down the line.

by Steely McSmash on Aug 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I tried to keep track of Summers as well. He looked to be running past guys he should have been blocking on an end around. He’s made some ST tackles though. I wouldn’t save a roster spot for him at this point

my thoughts exactly. as a running back, he’s no where close to making the team at that position (as evidenced by his total of zero carries thus far in preseason). and he’s not even one of the top 2 FB’s on the roster, with d. johnson and legursky both better than him at that spot. he wouldn’t dress for games anyway as the 4th rb/fb & he’s PS eligible. why not throw him on the PS, because no team is gonna touch him there. we can call him up if someone gets injured.

by t1mmy10 on Aug 30, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to keep track of Summers as well. He looked to be running past guys he should have been blocking on an end around. He’s made some ST tackles though. I wouldn’t save a roster spot for him at this point

my thoughts exactly. as a running back, he’s no where close to making the team at that position (as evidenced by his total of zero carries thus far in preseason). and he’s not even one of the top 2 FB’s on the roster, with d. johnson and legursky both better than him at that spot. he wouldn’t dress for games anyway as the 4th rb/fb & he’s PS eligible. why not throw him on the PS, because no team is gonna touch him there. we can call him up if someone gets injured.

by t1mmy10 on Aug 30, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Buck tells John Lynch he has a nice smile

Did anyone get this moment on Tape/DVR? It needs to be on youtube!!

Joe Buck to John Lynch: “Well you have a nice smile and a nice laugh, so we’ll keep you around!”

It could only be described as a “Joe Buck” moment.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Joe Buck is the worst

Although, he was dead on about the new referee positioning being stupid.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stand Joe Buck

Get him the hell off of all NFL broadcasts. I’d rather listen to f’ing Gilbert Gottfried call the game.

by yettibrad on Aug 30, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the Bubby shout out? I’m no fan either, but you gotta appreciate that.

by buddytoledo on Aug 30, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, good point.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Aug 31, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Timmons

I took the opportunity to specifically watch three players. Timmons and Pouncey/Adams. Dude I think you really underdescribed (<-is that a word?) how good Timmons and Pouncey played. Timmons is one helluva quick guy. He’s going to have a big year.

Didn’t Adams get flagged twice for false starts? He should have been flagged on every pass play. If a safety wants to find out if it’s run or pass, all he has to do is see if adams stands up before the snap. Well at least it’s not going to be coming on Ben’s blind side. I’m sure his concussion specialist will appreciate that.

by masterblastor on Aug 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

By lefty I mean Flozell

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Kemoeatu...

Still, doesn’t matter. Consecutive FS penalties…unacceptable.

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-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

by Steel Spike on Aug 30, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Timmons

was an absolute beast. This was the first preseason game I was able to watch. He has made great strides. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make the pro bowl. I thought Sylvester played very well but wasn’t impressed with #48, whoever that was.

by qwikdoc on Aug 30, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

for sure

Pro Bowl potential for sure man. That guy was all over the field and hitting hard when he got there. This may be the best set of backers they’ve had in 15 years.

by masterblastor on Aug 30, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

atleast since the Blitzburgh Days

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

James Harrion on on the Orton hit:

He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train. And the train wasn’t coming off the track. He was popping off down there the 1st time they were about to score. So run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything’s between the lines, so he got what he had coming.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Aug 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Orton was trash talking Harrison? I don’t talk bad about him even on TV – dude’s the scariest I’ve seen since Lloyd stopped playing. Orton should be arrested for attempted suicide.

by lkwdsteel on Aug 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you saying?

To try and then fail, is not unacceptable. But failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Aug 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno, but he said it again...

I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!

-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

by Steel Spike on Aug 30, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Orton was trash talking Harrison? I don’t talk bad about him even on TV – dude’s the scariest I’ve seen since Lloyd stopped playing. Orton should be arrested for attempted suicide.

by lkwdsteel on Aug 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is just dumb

Why would you trash talk a guy nicknamed Silverback, he did see what he did to an unsupecting Browns fan right

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomlin

Tomlin does not have control of his team. Players suspended, arrested, investigated, 4 personal fouls in a quarter and a half, back to back false starts. Just because you look and talk cool does not make you a great coach. Cowers team won the superbowl, Tomlins team is in the news every day.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Who was arrested?

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Reed

Jeff Reed was arrested for disorderly conduct. Jerame Tuman was arrested for publc urination. Santonio Holmes was arrested for pot posession.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tuman hasn’t been a Steeler since 2005 and was not the guy who got a citation for public urination (which really is not even that big of a deal). Santonio Holmes is no longer a Steeler because of that issue.

Do you really expect Tomlin to control every aspect of his player’s lives? Holmes was arrested under Cowher IIRC. And I am sure someone who is better with history could name a few more that were.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

cedric wilson i think his name was

by klompus on Aug 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

puched his GF in a public place, If I am not mistaken

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and was promptly cut

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

by Steel in FL on Aug 30, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was Tomlin during the SB season.

He was suspended for the game against the Giants that Deebo launched a long snap into low earth orbit

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by chewiesteeler on Aug 31, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah yeah, we've heard from your type before

Tomlin sucks, he lucked into a super bowl and all the rest.

What does make a great coach? If you’re going to sign on just to hate on the current coach have a point to it. What did Cowher do so well that Tomlin doesn’t? What are the definable characteristics of a great coach that Tomlin is lacking?

Otherwise, have fun hatin’.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously he has to be on Hard Knocks and says “F*ck” all the time to be considered a good coach.

by StinkBomb on Aug 30, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

Tomlin does not have control of his team? Perhaps you weren’t paying attention to the way he handled Keenan Lewis in the Broncos game – not to mention how quickly offenders find themselves on the outside looking in (ie; Santonio Holmes). Have you watched any of the practices or any of the sideline activity where Tomlin is involved. I doubt it because if you did you would quickly retract that statement.

As far as players suspended and etc. You can’t name on team that doesn’t experience that problem over time. Take the Bengals for example. Can’t get much worse than the were for a while.

The four personal fouls are inexcusable for one game but they don’t constitute an entire season so get off that bandwagon. It takes a whole season to jump on a team performance and be precise about what will or wont happen. Same with the false starts.

As far as Tomlin talking cool and looking cool – truth is truth. But he is obviously one of the best coaches in the NFL or the front office would never have picked him over the Whiz.

Your final assessment reeks of stupidity. You can inherit the best team in the NFL and still be stupid and lose the next season. Cowher did what he did and Tomlin did what he did and there is no reflection on either of them for what the other did. It’s a year by year and coach by coach thing.

Seems to me that you just came in here to complain and you should be disregarded until you bring something in here that is productive and in line with the rest of the community. I have never seen anything here but honest evaluation and great insight until you showed up.

Rick Shaffer aka C. R. Lord

by redeemed1 on Aug 31, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Up Yours

You reply to just call me stupid?

How about we meet face to face? Disregard me then. Asshole

by biggcat on Aug 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big tough guy

Threatening people over the internet with physical violence…

How did this comment not get you banned, since you have been nothing but a complete toolbag to everyone here?

I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!

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by Steel Spike on Sep 1, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Easy

To run your mouth and call people stupid and a tool hiding behind your computer.

I said I feel Tomlin has lost control and you people call me stupid. If I said it face to face I bet you wouldn’t dare to call me stupid.

Ooooooh Banned. Does that mean I can’t look at the internet anywhere? Piss off.

by biggcat on Sep 1, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

You must be one of those guys who thinks they can fight because they watch UFC.

It’s EasyTo run your mouth and call people stupid and a tool hiding behind your computer.

And then..

If I said it face to face I bet you wouldn’t dare to call me stupid.

All you’re doing is proving what a moron you are.

Go somewhere else with this shit.

I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!

-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

by Steel Spike on Sep 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's recap

What you said that started all this was

Tomlin does not have control of his team. Players suspended, arrested, investigated, 4 personal fouls in a quarter and a half, back to back false starts. Just because you look and talk cool does not make you a great coach. Cowers team won the superbowl, Tomlins team is in the news every day.

So you didn’t just say that Tomlin has lost control, you made a smart ass comment about Cower (sic) vs. Tomlin. Now I am one who appreciates a smart ass comment as much and probably more than the next guy, but I know that comment bothered me, and seems to be the one that is being questioned more than any other thing you said. And when I say being questioned, that is what was going on. People question others on here.

Redeemed stepped in and said towards the end of a fairly reasoned rebuttal

Your final assessment reeks of stupidity

I’m not going to defend that comment, but it is one sentence in a whole post of, again, what appeared to be a fairly reasoned rebuttal to your comment. What was your response to this?

Up Yours You reply to just call me stupid? How about we meet face to face? Disregard me then. Asshole

Additional comments you made to those of us debating and questioning and, yes, arguing your stand on this.

As far as having a point goes, read the f-ing post. You can probably get your GED so you can read and then come back and join in
If it is gonna make you cry yourself to sleep then stop reading it.
If you can’t see any problem here then you are blissfully ignorant.
Stop reaching out for stuff to blabber about.

I suggest you go back and look at who ramped up the vitriol. If you want to make comments without anybody questioning, debating, and in many cases, criticizing your viewpoint, perhaps this is not the best Steeler blog for you.

by worldtrip on Sep 1, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again, someone swooping in and saying it better than I could have...

I’m embarrassed.

I do tend to get a bit hot-headed at times, and my arguments/replies aren’t quite as eloquent as I would like, but yours takes the cake.

Brava, man, brava.

I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!

-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now

by Steel Spike on Sep 2, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you’re right. There is no problem there. Who was the guy arrested for public urination? It was the same night Jeff Reed got arrested for the SECOND time because he was fighting with the cop who was arresting the guy for public urination. Notice I didn’t even mention Ben or James Harrison or that Dekker tight end guy.

Any time someone disagrees with you, you start blah blah blah about hatin’ Stop being stupid. I’m not hating. I’m just saying some truth. i love the Steelers.

As far as having a point goes, read the f-ing post. You can probably get your GED so you can read and then come back and join in.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

No answers on my questions then?

Just some insults?

So far all I can tell from your statement is what makes a good coach is someone who acts like their mother during the time off the football field so that they don’t get in trouble. If so I nominate Momma Rollet for next head coach of the Steelers. Then again I don’t know how well acrollet turned out, so maybe the jury’s out on that one.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You make no sense. I simply said Tomlin does not have control of the team. If it is gonna make you cry yourself to sleep then stop reading it.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm looking for more justification

You come on and say someone sucks, back it up.

Just because you look and talk cool does not make you a great coach.

So I looked to you to clarify what does make one a great coach. Doesn’t seem unreasonable.

A lot of us like Coach Tomlin, myself included. I don’t think we’re delusional. You clearly don’t. I’m looking for more of an educated discussion than just throwing around unclear ideas and some name calling.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did I say someone sucks?

You can’t have a clear conversation when you add stuff to the other persons statements. I like Tomlin and I think he is cool. I also feel he doesn’t have control of the team. I don’t know what makes a great coach. I just know that if you’re the head coach then it’s your responsibility to maintain control. Do we want to trade all of our players away or have them all suspended? If you can’t see any problem here then you are blissfully ignorant.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the problem here?

I don’t want to be ignorant.

I bet a fun thing would be to go way back in time to where there was going to be an eclipse and tell the cave men, "If I have come to destroy you, may the sun be blotted out from the sky." Just then the eclipse would start, and they'd probably try to kill you or something, but then you could explain about the rotation of the moon and all, and everyone would get a good laugh.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even blissfully so.

I bet a fun thing would be to go way back in time to where there was going to be an eclipse and tell the cave men, "If I have come to destroy you, may the sun be blotted out from the sky." Just then the eclipse would start, and they'd probably try to kill you or something, but then you could explain about the rotation of the moon and all, and everyone would get a good laugh.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 30, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you by chance related to chillwill?

It cracks me up how some people when being questioned about their opinions state “I’m just saying the truth”.

In case you are curious opinions by definition can not be true or false. It is a fact that some players have gotten into trouble. It is also a fact that there were four personal foul/unsportsmanlike penalties. It is your OPINION that these are indications that Tomlin does not have control of the team.

It is also my opinion that you are indeed a Tomlin hater.

by worldtrip on Aug 30, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not

I never said I was a Tomlin hater. Please go and find the place I said I hated Tomlin.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Spaeth- sorry.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

you asked who was arrested. I was supplying the names. I’m not saying right or wrong or asking you to defend any of them. I’m only stating that they were in fact arrested.

by biggcat on Aug 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

No, that was Johnny_S

I asked what makes a great coach.

Also as a point of interest, can you reply to the post you’re responding too? It makes it easier to follow the conversation.

by Chicago Steeler on Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't respond

I have to deal with these guys over at Bucs Dugout, we call them Yinzers. They are people from Pittsburgh who feel that they know more about the team than us because they live in Pittsburgh. Normally they go away after a while but tell you what is wrong with the team, even if it isn’t a problem.

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

you dont live in the same town as the suck of the pirates. how can you EVER claim to be a true fan? you dont EXPERIENCE the suck first hand… so get on outta here with ya bandwagonin’ ass

by klompus on Aug 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched Paul Maholm need 83 pitches to get through 2 1/3

and yes I knew you were being sarcastic

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I was discounting your thought that Tomlin has no control over this team
Players suspended.

You mean player and Ben’s behavior started well before Cowher and Tomlin.

arrested
Players were arrested under Cowher. Players are arrested across the NFL, on all teams, on teams where coaches have control of the team.
investigated
Again just the one guy and this is redundant.
4 personal fouls in a quarter and a half
Two were on a guy who won’t see the field. And mistakes happen in preseason…that’s why it’s preseason.

It seems like to me you were just looking for something small to come out and complain about Tomlin. Once the 4 flags were thrown you saw your opportunity, I guess. It is a weak argument.

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by John Stephens on Aug 30, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

dumbest post I've ever seen

First off, Cowher has one ring, Tomlin has one. Ask Cowher how many championships he’s won before taking credit away from Tomlin. I’m sure he’d have enough class to tell you you’re full of it.

You act as if Cowher’s teams never had any issues. Ever hear of Bam Morris? No – how about Cedrick Wilson? Still nothing eh?

Obviously you don’t like Tomlin and love Cowher, ever ask yourself why? Could it be because Cowher was a big game coach? Not with his record in AFCC games. Did Cowher teams always win – not by a long shot. You’re touting a guy who got us one championship in 15 years while trashing a guy who has matched it and has yet to have a losing record. Is there a possibility that you’re holding Tomlin to just a tad higher standard and if so why might that be?

by lkwdsteel on Aug 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

because he’s using Cowher’s team of course!!!! tomlin is livin on borrowed time and it wont be long before we find out the team he is buildin with HIS draft pick (not lord cowher’s ultimate picks. ricardo colcough needs a legit chance 4real) absolutely SUX!! like the coach… lmao

by klompus on Aug 30, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly - Tomlin's picks suck.

We’d rule the world if we could only bring back ricardo and A. Smith!

  How about all of the draft picks Cowher wasted on WR because he didn’t have faith that Ward could ever develop into a good receiver?

by lkwdsteel on Aug 30, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions