Add Merrill Hoge To The List Who Believe Charlie Batch Should Be Named The Pittsburgh Steelers Starting Quarterback
Below is a transcription of an interview with Merrill Hoge on the Stan & Guy Show on ESPN Radio 1250 in Pittsburgh Wednesday morning. There's some good stuff in there, and based on the nearly hour long conversation myself and 5020 had with Hoge earlier this offseason, Hoge's comments are consistent with what he had to say to us before training camp or the preseason even commenced. In that interview (which you can read here and here in case you missed it), Hoge actually talks about Batch first when we asked him about who he thought would win the quarterbacking duties while Ben was out. I actually regret this now, but Hoge went on for a bit about his thoughts on the QB situation without really ever talking about Leftwich. Andrew (5020) and I assumed he had just forgotten about the fact that Leftwich was in the mix, so we opted to not include his full thoughts on the subject thinking that he had just had a lapse of memory. Wrong. He has thought and continues to think he's the right guy for the job. Kind of makes RickVa's post last night seem a touch more prescient, if you're one to believe that Hoge is sound with his analysis more often than not.
Anyway, read on or listen (link below).
On the performance of the offensive line against Denver:
"There's a lot of things that jump out when you really have an opportunity to watch the tape. Trai Essex, the right guard, I mean, gosh, I mean, he had such a bad day...this offensive line had such a bad day. The played so high, they got blown off the ball. Your rookie at center, it looks like he's your best football player. When Pouncey, a rookie, is playing in a position and he's most active, most energetic, and plays the best - you've got issues right there. That offensive line has got to...you can't lay on people, I thought they laid on people all game. Trai Essex played high, got blown off the ball. That's just where it starts."
On Dennis Dixon's performance against the Broncos and why he feels he's not ready to lead the Steelers, even for a four game stretch, and on why Charlie Batch is still his choice as the best bet while Roethlisberger serves his suspension:
"When you look at Dennis Dixon, this is the two things that you've got to be consistent if you're going to play in the NFL at that position...really any position, but this one specifically. You better be a good decision maker, and you better be accurate. Now if you use that baseline for this game, he was atrocious. Absolutely atrocious. Can you put the team in his hands based on what you saw? Absolutely not. I mean, he looked as green and as raw as I've seen any quarterback look. And you're very limited when he's on the field from a football perspective. I still believe - and I thought this from the very beginning - I really thought Charlie Batch gives you your best option to execute what you need to do. Do you have some deficiencies up front? You sure do. That's why some people though, 'well use Dixon'. Well, at the end of the day, I've never been in a meeting where we talked about 'listen, let's snap it to our quarterback and now you run around and just make something happen'. This game is about structure, discipline and fundamentals. That's what every play is about. And once you break that, and you get outside those realms, usually bad things happen.
Now, that's what makes Ben so special. He can create and make something happen when a play breaks down. But it's not a design. You don't just sit there and hope and think 'well listen, on this one we'll just see if he runs around and makes a play.' No offensive coordinator, no offensive coaching staff EVER goes into a game trusting that. Now, you know you've got that in the back pocket if things break down. But still, at the end of the day there has to be structure and discipline, and you have to function with that. Obviously Dennis showed none of that"
On Leftwich as the possible starter for the Steelers:
"Leftwich, he still has...there's a reason they got rid of him in Jacksonville. Can he throw the ball? Is he a pure passer? I love the guy from that perspective. But when you look at the half-a-second longer that he holds the ball with the problems you're having up front, he may not make it a month. And your passing game is going to struggle because of it. He's an easy target to blitz."
More on why he thinks Batch is the right guy for the job:
"Now, you look at Charlie Batch, he's the mix of both. The media people go 'well, he doesn't stay healthy'. You need him for four games. I believe it's going to be four games; you're going to need him for four games. And I think Charlie is the guy who is best suited to do that, to calm you down. And I believe the players believe in him the most too. I think you have to have that temperature of your team. I really sense that Mike Tomlin has a good sense of that. So I would not be surprised if it was Charlie Batch. I believe watching what I've seen, if you need some stability, that's where you would find it in Charlie Batch."
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I think I agree
"Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I'd probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass." - Greg Lloyd, after NBC commentator Joe Namath accused Lloyd of playing dirty.
“(I)f you need some stability, that’s where you would find it in Charlie Batch.”
Key line, right there. This sums up in a nutshell why this is a good idea.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Merrill!
Way to back a brother up. ; )
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Sep 1, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
chuck it
While I tend to agree based on what I have seen, with this ‘o’ line whoever is in there may get seriosly hurt.I think this puts more pressure on the run which will flouder without alot of HEATH. I think of a short pass as a run anyway so who better to turn a short pass into a big run. Also maybe Hines could play some O-line .At least everyone knows he can block!!!
dont overreact!
first of all to say Dixon can’t carry the load based on his performance against the broncos is insane! anyone notice that the gameplan for dixon in that game was very similar to how he played in baltimore? dixon is not a pocket passer! if you run the ball effectively,bootleg,and get dixon out of the pocket he will make plays! the thing is that the coach has to play to Dixon’s strength as the vikings did to fran tarkenton! If they choose batch I would not disagree! just go back to the falcons game a couple of years ago and I wouldnt be upset if he took the spot til ben comes back!
well
I’m just the messenger here. I really don’t want Batch to start, period. Hoge meanwhile is not overreacting, as I mentioned. He’s been advocating for Batch for months.
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Batch
I think either Batch or Leftwich can get it done. It is too bad we can’t merge them into one player. Batch is a quicker and better short passer; Lefty is a better mid to long range passer.
With Batch the main problem is defenses will sit on the shorter passing routes.
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
Enough wth the Batch talk
Everyone was on the Dixon bandwagon like 5 minutes ago because of a couple decent outings which really only showcased his legs. Now Batch makes a couple plays against the 3rd teamers and we’re ready to anoint him? Batch brings nothing to the table over Leftwich and he can’t dream of hitting Wallace with the deep ball. He’d get battered too if he had the blocking Leftwich had last game.
Leftwich is and should be starting with some Dixon mixed in.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 1, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I've never been on the Dixon bandwagon
I knew from the start that Leftwich would be the starter.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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This
I’ve been saying it for quite some time as well now. Give Dixon a chance with the starters, and if it doesn’t turn out well, stay with Leftwich. Heck, I am even willing to have Dixon start the game tomorrow to see if his performance last sunday really was a fluke. But Leftwich is the safe bet, and in my personal opinion we all saw that there was a reason Leftwich had gotten the most first team snaps before. Similarly, that situation reinforced my belief that there must also be a reason both Dixon and Leftwich are ahead of Batch right now.
interesting take
and i really do respect hoge’s opinion. but i find it interesting that his take is saying batch is the best fit for the job in terms of ability, but he really doesn’t address the whole injury problem other than saying “he’ll be fine.” i guess there is no real way to prove whether batch will or won’t get injured until if/when he gets injured, but that injury problem is by far the biggest knock against him being the temp starter from the beginning…never ability. batch has yet to take preseason snaps with the 1st team and probably had 1/4 the number of snaps of every other qb. if injury really isn’t a concern i don’t think they’d be hiding batch with the 3rd team & giving him hardly any snaps.
i think hoge is a lil off with not being “surprised” if batch is named the starter.
You're just sayin that...
because you know you won’t have to face him in week 4.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
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What? No I am not. It is all over ESPN that he wants to come back after 3 games. I would much rather play Ben in week 4 in his first game back. Would feel oh so good.
As much as it pains me
I have to agree with MaLor.
We don’t want Ben coming back after three. Four is about the best we can hope for. That way he gets two weeks to prepare. And he gets to play a preseason game against Cleveland…
Disagree
Its an awesome idea. One thing that Ben knows how to do is beat the ravens. He has lost to them maybe 2-3 times in his career? He is a much better option than Leftwich or Dixon.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 2, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
3 games is not up for debate.
Goodell will likely reduce to 4, so it doesn’t matter.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
But
Wouldn’t it be cool if he just said: “What the hell, Ben learned his lesson… Suspension revoked… play ball!”
Wouldn’t that make the Steeler-haters scream…
We already know that it will most likely be 4. But Ben is meeting with Goodell this week to ask for it to be lowered to 3. It could happen.
It's an old trick
Ask for better than you expect and hopefully get what you want. Ask for a 10% raise when you really hope they give you 5%. Ask for 3 games, get 4. It never hurts to ask.
I have said it before, and will say it again:
The only stupid question is the one that goes unasked.
I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!
-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now
I think he'll get it
I mean the Commish already said Ben has gone, ‘above and beyond’ expectations. If so then reduce the penalties above and beyond their normal boundaries. He was suppose to get 4 if he met expectations not exceeded them.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be awesome
I would love to see Ben teeing off against the Ravens week 4.
I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!
-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now
I respect Merrill's take...
And I would like to see Batch get a few more reps, just to see what he can do if nothing else.
I bet a fun thing would be to go way back in time to where there was going to be an eclipse and tell the cave men, "If I have come to destroy you, may the sun be blotted out from the sky." Just then the eclipse would start, and they'd probably try to kill you or something, but then you could explain about the rotation of the moon and all, and everyone would get a good laugh.
Charlie Batch Starting
I agree with Merrill Hoge and have always felt Charlie Batch should be the starter. He has been here and knows the Steeler system. He has always been an excellent passer and reader of defenses. Is he nearing the end of his carreer? Yes, but there is alot of football left in Mr. Batch. He is injury prone, especially with our offensive line, however, he can also move better in the pocket than Leftwich and he can get rid of the ball quicker if need be. I have to believe that Tomlin is well aware of these factors, so I trust he will make the right decision. Let’s see.
If someone could just answer me this
After the ’08 season, the word on Leftwich was that he wanted to go to a team who give him the opportunity to start. As the spring wore on he changed his position and stated that he would love to stay with the Steelers in any capacity. The Steelers kept Batch and let Leftwich go. In the ’09 season Dixon could not replace Batch as the #2 quarterback. (remember, Dixon started the Ravens game because Ben and Batch had been injured in Kansas City?
With that as background, would someone explain to me why Batch wasn’t given a fair shot in terms of practice reps and playing time to compete for the starting qb spot?
Just sayin’.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Sep 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
I can't explain why
but without seeing Batch play against other starting defenses, I’m hesitant to jump on the start Charlie bandwagon. He looked good sunday but he is an experienced QB playing against 3rd stringers in the 4th quarter of a preseason game.
I still lean toward starting DD because of our OL woes and giving him a package which allows him to run if needed. I feel good having Batch directing the offense but I don’t think he will hold up if our pass blocking doesn’t improve.
How I feel
All three qb’s have their strong points and their weak points.
Leftwich – Looked great when he came in against the Redskins a couple years ago, and a couple games ago. Has the strongest arm to get the ball deep, and the most experience as a starter with some history of winning. Seems to make smart decisions on where to throw the ball and makes the decision pretty quickly. Statue in the pocket and too much of a wind up when he throws, and can seem to only throw the ball hard even when touch is needed.
Batch – Knows the team and the offense like the back of his hand, makes good decisions, calm in the pocket and some shiftiness, nice touch on the short passes. But can he get the ball deep, particularly to Wallace? Will having him at qb enable the other team to play all their defenders up on the line, severely impacting the Steelers ability to run the ball?
Dixon – Biggest wildcard, with the biggest upside and probably biggest downside. No doubt a huge talent, but doesn’t make decisions or go through his progressions as well or as quickly as needed. Great wheels and a gigantic double threat to run or throw. On any given play he might throw a horrible interception, complete a bullet pass, or run 40 yards.
My point? Frankly I don’t feel entirely comfortable, or entirely uncomfortable with any one of them. They all bring different things, both positive and negative, to the team. I guess what I want to see is Leftwich start, Dixon get some definite playing time, a few series a game, and if Leftwich clearly isn’t working out so well after the first game or two, let’s see what Charlie can do.
by worldtrip on Sep 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Good review.
I never gave it a whole lotta thought before reading Rick’s post and this one. Having looked them over, I think Batch should get a chance with first team. All these guys have problems, but I think the issues with Charlie are ones the team can work around.
No long ball? It doesn’t matter if our QB has the arm to reach Wallace, our O-line won’t give him the time to make the pass. Sure, Lefty has the arm, but what good is that if the rest of his body is bouncing off the turf? Chuck can survive in the pocket we have. Lefty can’t. Dixon can get out of our pocket and make plays, but that’s not a reliable game plan.
When did Wallace become the only receiver on the team? I’m willing to bet that Ward is licking his chops and Miller would love another pro-bowl visit. Mendy and Moore both have good hands coming out of the backfield, and Wallace averages something like 8 yards per carry on the end-around. Plus we have some solid depth in the slot with ARE on the roster.
I don’t want Charlie to start, but I am beginning to thin he might be the easiest plug-n-play option with the current state of our offense.
"They eat fish and are majestic" - Great Sergios Ghost
now wait a second
how can Batch, who suffered season-ending injuries each of the last two seasons after short playing time, survive our pocket better than Leftwich? I do get the Dixon argument, but the other doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.
Not via durability, that's true.
Rather, Batch can avoid getting hit. With the proper calls, he can get the ball out quickly and has the feet to get out of the way. Batch’s pocket awareness isn’t too shabby, either.
Lefty has feet like Ike’s hands, he looks for the long ball, and his wind-up is pokey. Behind a good line, his arm is an advantage. We don’t have an o-line that can give him the chance to use that arm. Not reliably.
"They eat fish and are majestic" - Great Sergios Ghost
Start Batch LOL
Does it really matter who starts at this point? Their o-line sucks so g-d bad that Tomlin himself may have to come in and take snaps by the time week four rolls around. Tomlin needs to either hire 15 doctors that can treat 30 injured QBs or pull his head out of his @$$ an get an o-line.
If goodell really wants to punish Ben, he should actually make him play the first 4 games.

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