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Bucs a trap game?


Is this Sunday's game a trap for the Steelers?

On the one hand, this looks like a classic trap.  The Bucs, setting aside the surprisingly fast start of two wins (albeit against weak teams), are the weak team that trapped teams often overlook.  The Ravens come to Pittsburgh the following week, creating a big temptation to look beyond the current opponent.  The lack of a starting-caliber QB and further injury on the OL (Essex) makes the game closer than it normally would be.  The Bucs are much better this year than their '09 record would indicate.  And, finally, the heat...

On the other hand, last year's collapse has produced the biggest chip on the shoulders of the Steelers' defense that one could possibly carry.  The lack of offensive production makes every game against any opponent above high school level a respected challenge for Hines Ward and company.  MT seems to be taking this season very personally--perhaps after embarrassing himself following the "unleash hell" comment last year--so that world-class motivator likely isn't overlooking his old team as a threat.  Finally, teams that win the way the Steelers did last weak, in 105 heat, in black jerseys, against a mirror-image aggressive force in the Titans, typically do not have mental let-downs.  They might be hurting and tired, but they usually don't phone it in.

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I'll admit it - I'm worried about this game

And not just as a trap game.

The defense’s absolute dominance has obscured the offense’s ineptitude. Hard to believe that, in a game where we forced seven turnovers, the opponents had the ball with less than sixty yards to go for a tying score in the final minute. The defense was dominant enough that I wasn’t really worried (well, not very worried), but still, that’s a little scary.

The bucs aren’t a great team, but they’re a good team, and failing to score, especially failing to score touchdowns, always leaves the door open for your opponents. We have to slam the door this week.

I think we can and we will, but I want to see some production from our offense. Charlie Batch, please step forward.

That said, I think it ends Good Guys 13, Swishbucklers 3.

by cee_jay on Sep 24, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not worried about the guys overlooking the Bucs

I am worried about the O.
If Lefty is well enough to play, really, BA can open up the O for the first time this season.
Starks/Lefty’s health will determine the playcalling.
Essex being out only concerns me due to the fact that we’ve seen approxematly 7000 combo’s along the line in two games. Continuity for a game or two would be nice. I also called Essex being replaced this season, lots have, anyway so Legs gets his shot and if he falters, Foster I think will come in and take the job. It’s earlier than I thought, and I’m suprised he was not first to replace Essex, but he’s the guy I thought would. I wonder if it’s because he’s the top LG backup and Legs is the top RG backup.

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by SNW on Sep 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Legursky?

I know its off subject a bit but was lookin for some info. When did Legursky move up the depth chart? What happend to Scott and Foster?? I thought they were the backups for Essex?

by gatorgonz on Sep 24, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which Scott?

Johnathan, or Chris?

Chris Scott is on the PUP list, and Johnathan Scott is/was starting at RT while Starks was out.

I don’t know about Ramon Foster. I think he was one of the ones that kept having to sit out with dehydration Sunday in Tennessee. I distinctly remember Legursky in at RG for a few snaps last game.

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by Steel Spike on Sep 24, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool, Thanks for input I just thought Legursky was our backup center and that was it..I think I just like Foster because he looks huge out there haha.

by gatorgonz on Sep 24, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Legursky has been getting snaps at all 3 interior line positions

in practice.

No worries. :) If you have any other questions, ask away. If I don’t know, someone else will pop in who does know.

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by Steel Spike on Sep 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Batch under Center

after a full week with the 1st teamers, this will be the first week the squad scores over 20 points.

My prediction: Steelers 24 opponents 6

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by chewiesteeler on Sep 24, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It CAN be

But I am not sure it will be. I do not think any game will be treated lightly, especially without Ben. I think until Ben gets back the rest of the team will do whatever they can for a win. I could be wrong, but I hope not. If we have a trap game, I think it will be later in the season after Ben is back.

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by samliam on Sep 24, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see a trap in our first 4 games either

I am concerned though. Raheem Morris (Tampa’s current head coach) served under Tomlin from 2004 and 2005, as assistant defensive backs coach. There is no doubt that Morris will be highly motivated by the possibility of beating his Super Bowl winning mentor. I don’t think things like that should be taken lightly, especially when your offense has shown very little up to this point.

With that said, we’ll ’’ find a way to win".

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by alfresco on Sep 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Altogether now -

REDMAN!!!

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by Rebecca Rollett on Sep 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

REDMAN!!!

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by Steel Spike on Sep 24, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

REDMAN!!!!

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by alfresco on Sep 25, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

REDMAN!!!!!!!!

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Sep 25, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

REDMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 25, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Batch has had some time this week to work with the 1st team, whether that translates into success is another thing. All Charlie has to do is make his throws count. As long as he doesn’t force throws, create interceptions, and find the safety valve, he should be ok. Turnovers will be key in this game. The Bucs are very underrated, but Freeman is inexperienced and the defense should be able to capitalize on it.

Lets hope the Ravens look past the Browns, and the Panthers somehow beat the Bengals. It could put us in a great position for next week.

Also, I agree, the trap game will be later in the season. It will probably be the Raiders, for some unknown reason.

by twault on Sep 24, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

not worried b/c it's a "trap" game, worried b/c we're playing with one hand behind our back

Anytime you’re playing a game where you know the defense has to be downright dominant and you’re just hoping your offense doesn’t gift wrap points for the opposition, you have to worry about each and every opponent. One fluky kickoff return or bobbled snap or tipped ball at the line of scrimmage could be the difference between a win or a loss. The Bucs are a very good team but right now we’re a damn good defense trying to keep a pedestrian offense afloat.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Sep 24, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I say relax...

The bucs are 2-0, but that’s against the panthers and browns. I don’t see our team over looking them, and if both teams play like they have the first two weeks the Steelers win… and it won’t be close.

Somehow I can’t see Arians not calling a single first down pass play with Batch working with the 1’s for a week. The passing game may not be stellar this week, but it will be more than enough to help the run game put some points up.

Steelers 24 – 3

by lkwdsteel on Sep 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

not a trap game

Think they learned their lesson from last year? I think Batch will be fine..He will not WIN you a game, but he won’t lose it either..He throws 17-25 2 TDs and finally, Mendy will have room to run…BTW, Hines, Millerr, please make those catches on Sunday?

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by nycsteelerfan on Sep 24, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

And don't forget
BTW, Hines, Millerr, please make those catches on Sunday?

that Mikey had a drop on Sunday as well as the TD that was called back…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Sep 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the FIRST trap game on the schedule

First off, it is an away game… and, yes I know the Steeler nation will turn out in droves, but it is always hard to win on the road. The “Bottom feeder” games of last year that we lost… 2 out of the three were away games.

Second, if the heat is bad, and the Bucs don’t go all Vince Young, I can see them eventually getting to us. We were fortunate to get the turnovers we got. I know we worked for them, but sometimes you work just as hard and still don’t get them. If Vince doesn’t throw that pick in the endzone, this game is much different heading into the 4th quarter. I’ve said this before, our defense was designed to play balls out… you can’t do that in 100 degree heat unless A) your offense eats up the clock, or B) You get turnovers. Last week we got turnovers. If we don’t this week, 4th quarter is going to be tough..

Third, they might not want to say it, but the Steelers must have (somewhere) thought: Hey, 2-2 is where we have to get to… Well, they are there. They worked hard to get there, sure. But it’s not like they have never taken a game off before after playing hard for a stretch (see Minnesota game in 2008).

So, yeah, it’s a concern. And it is a trap game. I don’t think this one will be decided before the last 2 minutes of the game. Overtime would not shock me.

What can keep us free from the trap:

  • I like what MB said about getting fined. That keeps the Steelers pissed… and a pissed Steelers defense is a good Steelers defense.
  • The Defense already has a reason to play hard: They have real pride, and last year smarted more than a little a bit. They may be on a mission this year to prove how good they are defensively. You have to figure everyone talking about the Jets and their amazing defense has got these guys more than a little peeved. I remember how the Patriots came out firing the year they were nailed for “Spy-Gate”. It was like Tom Brady and company were determined to run up the score and show everyone that they could win without cheating… well, I expect a similar performance from the Defense this year. Plus the fact, you’d better believe this defense wants to get Coach HOF to the Super Bowl again — especially this year.
  • Hey, it is Tampa. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. This is a team that was so bad last year, they thought Byron Leftwich would be an upgrade, and let him start the season… this is the same Leftwich that the folks around here thought was a 3rd stringer at best… They really don’t have the skill set to match the level of the Steelers… unless the Steelers decide to match theirs.

by MarkJoel66 on Sep 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

The same Byron Leftwich that would have started for us barring injury.

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by alfresco on Sep 24, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

two of your points remind me of recent losses
We were fortunate to get the turnovers we got. I know we worked for them, but sometimes you work just as hard and still don’t get them.

Chicago 2009

They really don’t have the skill set to match the level of the Steelers… unless the Steelers decide to match theirs.

browns 2009

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by showtime on Sep 24, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allow me to retort....

1. First off, were not 2-2, we are 2-0.

2. The defense IS ready to play. It has been from the opening drive this year. The players know that the defense is going to be leaned on more during these first four games. No way these guys go out there with anything less then what we have seen from an intensity standpoint.

3. After last years bottom feeder debacles. Tomlin has learned his lesson. Any week, any team can beat you in the NFL. Take the foot off the pedal, and you’re likely getting an L. Tomlin knows this, and you can bet he’s reminding the players about it from last year.

4. We didn’t just get turnovers, we forced them. All the ones I saw with the exception of the crap Kerry Collins throw were the result of the defense making it happen. I think they will do the same this weekend.

5. The heat. Playing in black is only going to motivate them further. they played in swampy weather last week, so they will deal with it fine IMO.

6. Finally, with a week of practice, and a game plan ready, I expect the offense will be better this week. They will make a few plays in the passing game, and pound, pound ,pound the run.

7. Finally, I don’t think the Buc’s are any good. That is a 4 or 5 win team that got to play two of the very worst teams in the NFL in the first two weeks.

I count this as a win, because I know Tomlin and company do not. They will be uber-prepared, I feel sympathy for Josh Freeman…it’s gonna be a long day.

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

perfect!

I think Batch will enough not to lose the game and the D wins the day!

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Sep 24, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction

Batch will make enough plays to not lose the game..

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Sep 24, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't experts say the Atlanta game was a trap game for us?

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by Mini Hulk on Sep 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't think so

We were the underdogs… I’m pretty sure that, by definition, any game where you are not the favorite cannot be considered a trap game for you…

by MarkJoel66 on Sep 24, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not buying into a trap game

I see the Steelers defense with so much focus early on this season it’s ridiculous. I think we’ll have some running success against the Bucs as well.

by Systemize on Sep 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

He does not agree with this statement

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Lol... channeling your inner Chewiesteeler?

" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 24, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

Funny – the first thing that came to my mind when I read the title of this poast was:

IT’S A TRAP!!!

"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason

by chewiesteeler on Sep 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all a trap game.

I believe Tomlin has this team so focused, they would take UNT seriously if they played them.

I believe they do feel a bit pissed about being overlooked. They want to go 4-0 to prove that one man does not make a team. I just can’t buy into this being a trap game.

If they lose, it will be because they had too many turnovers, and did not execute there game plan enough. Having said that, I say 20-3 Steelers. They are fired up, and ready to beat down the Captain Morgans.

" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"

" In America" Charlie Daniels Band

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 24, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

No Worries

I recently watched a video about the Steeler D, on NFL.com I think it was. The thing that jumped out at me was Arron Smiths comments to DD after throwing an interception against Tennessee. His remarks were along the lines of, “shake it off, we’ll get it back for you brother” or something close to that.

I’ve noticed something in the Big Ben era that I don’t see from a lot of other teams. There is a trust and a camaraderie that exists between our offensive and defensive units that IMO keeps the guys loose as well as focused. I’ve never seen members of either the offense or the defense throw their counterparts under the bus, even in the worst of circumstances.

This defense is very well aware of the struggles facing their offensive teammates. I think it has a lot to do with how well they are playing at this juncture. If there is a trap game on the horizon it will be after BB returns not before.

Many times have I heard guys from the defense speak in glowing terms about the offense, especially their franchise QB, and vice versa. Unlike many other teams who’s defense and offense seem to be in competition with one another, on this team there is clearly a confidence in and reliance upon the guys who take the field after them.

The chips are down for the offense right now and the defense has their back, I believe this wholeheartedly. I also believe that the offense will be determined to improve upon their poor early start if for no other reason than they know just how much the defense has risen to the challenge. Steelers win this game convincingly.

by justagame on Sep 24, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Close and ugly I think.

I’ll be amazed if the Steelers score more than 20 points and not surprised if the Bucs don’t score more than 10. A have a hunch that turnovers will be a factor in the outcome, but not sure for which team.

by Billy52 on Sep 24, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I trust

that you are suitably amazed : )

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Sep 26, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly was

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sit chasened and ashamed.

I thought it was a trap game—-but I’m also overjoyed by the performance! Great job! Now on to the Ravens!

by workingon7 on Sep 27, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  


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