Pittsburgh Steelers Roster Cuts
by Michael Bean on Sep 3, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
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PrintBy 6 pm eastern time on Saturday, the Pittsburgh Steelers must trim their roster all the way down to 53 men. As of Friday evening, the Steelers are well on thier way towards reaching the benchmark, as the six-time Super Bowl champs cut ten players early on in the day on Friday. Those players were:
TE Eugene Bright, OG Dorian Brooks, OT Kyle Jolly, WR Brandon London, TE Sean McHugh, DT Scott Paxson, LS Matt Stewart, S Justin Thornton, RB Justin Vincent, LB Renauld Williams.
Later in the day, the team also reportedly cut Kraig Urbik according to his agent. Finally, although this one too has yet to be officially confirmed, running back Frank Summers was reportedly released. If both are in fact true, the Steelers must cut just nine more to reach 53.
Stay tuned for more as updates become available.
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Woo-ooh!
Bloody good show, mate!
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
:D
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Frank Summers
According to the InsidePGHsports Twitter Page Frank Summers blames none other than Bruce Arians for him being cut, and says that he will land on his feet. No link though. There are however other links to reports of Summers being cut
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
here's link i saw
http://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/agent-steelers-release-frank-summers/29168/
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
And by that link
Dwyer and Redman have been informed they are on the team.
Celebration at my house! Whoop-whoop!!!
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
BS
Is it BA’s fault that Frank looked like he was diving onto a slip’n’slide the few times I saw him try to make a block as the upback?
It’s nobodies fault but his own. He knew the Steelers drafted a stud RB this year, who only fell from a 2nd or 3rd round prospect because of a shifty drug test. He should have stepped up his game, and he didn’t. Or, if he did, not enough.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
It's BA's fault that Tank is playing FB
…which he had never played before coming to the Steelers.
Yea, he’s a 5th round pick with a great nickname. In reality, it’s no great loss. But I can’t help feeling like the guy never got a chance to be a running back because Arians never gave him that chance. Summers never complained, and that’s a good thing.
He was a poor fullback. He could have been above average if he learned to run through blocks instead of diving, as you said. But he had speed and power and could have been a good tailback, and never got that chance.
I’m not too upset by his cut… I just feel like we didn’t get hte most out of his talent or give him an opportunity, and i feel bad for the guy. But I like Dwyer, so i totally get the decision.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
its Arians fault
that he played Frank as a FB which doesn’t exist in our offense….
So essentially Summer didn’t exist. BA erased Summers from this world. So yes, it is his fault.
Huh?
Arians put a UDFA (Redman), who was the nephew of a close friend, in front of the team’s 5th round pick for short yardage carries at the beginning of the 2009 camp. He put Tank in at FB only, a position Arians doesn’t value (“there are RB’s who play FB, TE’s who play FB, but there’s no FB in this offense”), and a position that Tank had never played.
Like i said above and in the other thread, he deserved to be cut based on his performance as FB and the Redman experiment obviously worked out well, but I think we didn’t get as much as we could have out of a 5th round RB.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You may be right about that.
Summers is listed as 5’10", 240. Not a great size for a FB.
Now, 5’10" and 260-275…Now we’re talkin’ about moving the pile and knocking NT’s on their collective asses.
IIRC, he did get some looks as the tailback, but not a lot, and didn’t really impress me very much.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
He got a few...
But as I mentioned above, was basically moved to FB and asked to concentrate on that in his first camp.
Based on Redman’s development and the fact that Arians doesn’t care about a fullback, i’d say that everything turned out ok.
Cutting him was the right decision. Just feeling wistful that it could have turned out differently.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But, he still made the active squad
and played in a couple games last year before injuring his back. Redman didn’t.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Tim Lester was 5’10" and 233. He was a dominant FB. Kreider was 250. It isn’t weight as much as build and technique.
Summers isn’t built like a FB, and doesn’t play like one. We’ll see what happens with Frank, but Redman ran better than him, and Redman is slow. Tank isn’t going to cut it as a runner, as a FB he’ll have a better chance elsewhere than with no FB Arians.
Mack Strong was/is 6', 253
Lorenzo Neal was/is 5’ 11", 255.
Body composition and natural ability will make up for weight, but being a mountain of a man helps too.
I think Frank could make it as a goal line/short yardage back somewhere.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Sad Day
The Steelers should cut Arians not Summers. Summers was developing into the the fullback they need. I cannot believe that they are cutting the only real fullback they have. Short yardage problems will continue. I cannot believe that Art Rooney is allowing this….This move insures nothing better than a 9-7 record and not making the playoffs. It is as stupid as cutting Redman last year.
That move kept them out of the playoffs last year.
I'd say that
special teams and the defense folding in the 4th quarter had more to do with keeping them out of the playoffs last year.
Summers didn’t block till the whistle. He wouldn’t hustle and keep moving to open up the running lanes. We are probably better off with Legursky for short yardage (that is if BA doesn’t forget that he is alive.)
I also think that the year on the PS did Redman a lot of good. His blocking was awful last year.
From National Football Post:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Steelers-to-release-Justin-Hartwig-Kraig-Urbik.html
Steelers to release Hartwig as well.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I still dont agree with releasing Hartwig
Just because he got beaten out, hes still good depth and a leader on our OLine. Maurkice Pouncey will not be ace every play, and he could use a mentor on the sidelines
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A good theory that’s entirely dependent on Hartwig wanting to be a good mentor. Don’t know that’s true. Also, a lot of $ for a mentor who isn’t a multiple-position backup.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
this probably has more to do with the $ than anything else
He is for sure better than Essex, or our back-ups. Or maybe they just wanted to give him a starting opportunity somewhere.
RT was his position...
Big Ben seems to have too much time on his hands, and too many hands on his time.
As soon as I posted that linky
I found another write-up about them wanting to trade him, and giving his agents permission to seek a trade.
Here: http://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/roster-cuts-steelers-seeking-trade-for-justin-hartwig/29162/
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Goodbye Frank the Stank
I was never worried about you landing on your feet, I worried about you staying on your feet. Perhaps your dive blocking will work on your next team. I hope it’s Cleveland, Woodley and Harrison will eat you alive.
My thoughts are Denver
They lost Lendale White to an Achilles’ tear last night for the season. They released Justin Fargas, and have crap backs Hall and Ball.
Hell, they will probably trade for Willie Parker as well. They are desperate.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Denver is expected to officially put Dumervil on IR too
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That team isn't going to anything this year...
Poor j-man.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
mcdaniels is crazy
he will probably cut moreno for not wearing a tuxedo to practice or something like that
"all my bitches, take some shots!"
What? A dankdiggety sighting!
Where ya been bruthaman?
And yes, McDickbag is insane. However, I wouldn’t bust a grape if he did cut Knowshon and we picked him up.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
How does that man still have a job?
McDaniels is a petulant child who has driven all of his talent out of town while blowing draft picks in a mis-guided attempt to seem smarter than everyone else. Mind-blowing. People thought Shanahan was bad…
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Shanny's not that bad, actually
McD has the Belli-cheat pedigree. Nuff said.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I'm in DC
I follow the skins a bit. Shanahan is a breath of fresh air after that dipshit zorn.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He disbanded probably the best draft class of the last 20 years when he traded away Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler (+ Dumervil still there). Those were three high talent players (whether you like Cutler or not, the physical talent is there, just not the mental)
Only one left is Dumervil, who is out for the season
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
busy as fack with work,. i got nfl sunday ticket (NOT IN HIDEF GOD DAMN YOU CANADA just kidding i still love you but that sucks) and ma dukes to ship me some wild turkey and a couple cartons of marlboros so im set for the season opener.
I just hope crezdon butler makes the team, as well as sylvester. and i hope we need an extra lb and sign hull from the rams cuz he went to my high school
"all my bitches, take some shots!"
would that be Josh Hull? He was one of my sleeper picks in the draft.
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 3, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, good to see you around anyway
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Re: Denver Being Terrible
That’s what they said when McDaniels was hired, and he immediately traded Cutler (and I agreed with them) … but Denver had a good year last year. I think Denver will be okay.
grain of salt
Um, Denver actually had some viable running backs last year too.
They lost Doom, both of their premier RBs, AND their potential short yardage back.
There’s no way Neckbeard can win games strictly chucking the ball. The only one who can do that is Pey-Pey.
Denver is going to go 5-11, or 6-10 unless they sign some unknown RB that turns out to be the second coming of Barry Sanders.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Yep
I said as much as soon as I found out he had been cut.
Parker and Summers are the frontrunners (see what I did there?) to make the Broncos’ squad.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Don't understand the hate
Summers needs to stay on his feet while blocking. Totally true. It’s very annoying. But Tank Summers is by all accounts a championship-caliber individual, and I don’t think he ever got a chance with this team: Arians forced him to be a fullback instead of the running back he is (he’s faster than Redman!), and then cut him because he wasn’t a good enough fullback and because there’s no fullback in his offense anyway. Seems silly.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Or smells funny.
If you think you can do a thing, or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford
by SteelObsession on Sep 3, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I would seriously take a RB that has quick feet
over a cut/slash runner any day of the year.
Redman has quick feet, and he has the vision to know when to spin, and when to grind for yards. I don’t think Frank has that.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I see Redman as a powerful back with great leg drive and will
I don’t think vision is his strong suit, he tends to look for the cut-back even when a hole is open, and I don’t think he has the burst, agility, or top-end speed of many backs.
But that’s how he ended up a UDFA. He ended up a Steeler because the scouts realized that doesn’t matter as much when Redman is capable of plowing through guys.
He’s a great power complement back. Don’t know if Summers would have been better because he got the chance. I think he’s faster and quicker than Redman… but again, we don’t know, so you’re probably right. I just wish we’d given him more time as a tailback and drafted a real fullback.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Redman stays upright after first contact.
That is all.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Yup
It’s a sight to see. If Mendenhall learns that one missing piece he’d be a hell of a back.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He already is a hell of a back
He ground out a 4.6 ypc avg, and over 1,100 yards behind the worst Steelers o-line of all time. With a real center to pave the way for him, he should EASILY crack 1,400-1,600 yards this season.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I have to agree
I’m looking for a HUGE season from Mendenhall. Redman may get his share (maybe even the bigger share) of the redzone carries, but Rashard will move the chains alot, and score alot. I think Pouncey will add alot to the rungame. This was the first time in a while that the Steelers drafted the guy I wanted in round one. I’m so excited to see the progression of the next dominant Steeler center. I’m thinking we’ll be seeing alot of that good old power Steeler running game this year.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Sep 4, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate the guy
i hate the way he blocks. I know it’s not his normal position, but the way he blocks is ridiculous. He looks like a teenage boy seeing boobs for the first time, he gets all amped up and dives right in. No technique. If he’s going to have a career in the NFL he needs to learn to block.
I agree he didn’t get much of a chance, but when he did get a chance he didn’t show much.
As for him being a championship-caliber individual, I’m not sure where you get that. What has he won?
sorry, he was once described that way by Wexell, i think
More about his personality than anything else. He sucks as a blocker. deserved to be cut. Just feel like he could have done more here. We’re on the same page.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you watching preseason?
Frank opened up numerous holes this preseason. He had a number of excellent blocks that led to big gains on Thursday night.
T.J. Douchemanzeda
was released by the Seahawks. Not really relevant to us, I just hate the guy. Everyone point and laugh at him!
Yay
Arrogant, towel dissing meanie person! Overrated, youre basically just getting a guy who does a slots job from the outside with no downfield threat or star factor
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
the bengals might take him back, they released bryant, y not put housh at the 3?
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 3, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a post up over on the Beatdown
Discussing grabbing the doucheman…
Here: http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2010/9/3/1668397/tj-houshmandzadeh
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Madison
Having thought about it some tonight, I’m changing my tune from “don’t cut Madison! Our ST sucked last year without him” to “Go ahead and cut Madison…as last year proved, you can probably get him back.”
We’ll see tomorrow.
Ha! Very true.
Also, ST is all he does. There’s no way he even sniffs our defensive backfield. Not with the talent we have in front of him.
Thank you Anthony, but we should be alright without you this year (I hope).
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Yeah, against guys trying to make their team.
There’s a reason Madison was only playing in the 4th quarter during the pre-season. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a “real” NFL corner anymore.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
My 53 reads
QB (3)
Dixon, Lefty, Batch (Big Ben has his exemption)
RB (4)
Mendenhall, Moore, Redman, Dwyer
OL (9)
Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Foster, Adams, Essex, Hills, Legursky, Scott
WR (5)
Ward, Wallace, ARE, Sanders, Brown
TE (3)
Miller, Spaeth, Johnson
DL (7)
Keisel, Hampton, Smith, Hood, Harris, Hoke, Eason
LB (9)
Harrison, Timmons, Farrior, Woodley, Fox, Sylvester, Gibson, Worilds, Foote
DBs (10)
McFadden, Clark, Polamalu, Taylor, Butler, Burnett, Lewis, Gay, Mundy, Allen
ST (3)
Sepulveda, Reed, Warren
Thats my 53. Whatchu guys think? Only rookie to miss is Worthington. I also see us cutting Madison, Logan.
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
Lefty is broken
Lose Lefty and add Battle to the WR list.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Cut Harris, who hasn't shown anything, and add Battle
Battle doesnt get enough respect. He’s had a 100+ catch / 1300 yard season in this league, I’m pretty sure. And even if you don’t expect him to catch more than 15 balls, he’s your first team gunner on ST.
Otherwise i think this is how it plays out
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lolwut
Battle barely has 180 catches over 7 years. Dunno where you though hes been that good as a receiver. Been playing Madden too much?
Im more confident in our youngsters as being aces on special teams, which is the only place Battle will be playing.
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right about Battle's history
I think i was only half-listening to Craig Wolfley’s podcast today. He had some stat to that effect, but i think he was talking about Battle’s entire time in SF, not one season. You correct, sir.
That said, no chance our youngsters are better on ST coverage than Battle. And if Ward goes down, you’ll want that veteran presence. Especially since you’re not losing much to keep him.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If Ward goes down
We’re fucked and you know it lol, veteran backups or no veteran backups
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you been watching any pre-season games?
Battle has shown to be a solid to great route runner, with good hands. Battle should be our non-starting possession receiver.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Yes I have
Have you seen Bruce Arians as our OC?
He never utilises much more than 3 WRs at a time. And when there are 4, its going to be Sanders or Brown. I dont see much catching time out there for Battle.
I never knocked his receiving ability. He just wont get the on field reps at WR
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet, he was SF's ST captain.
He makes the 53 for ST ability alone, but he’s also a dependable receiver should one of those other guys goes down to the injury bug.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Ok well for the sake of argument
I dont see us cutting Lefty lose just yet. I cant help but think it would have happened by now or at least rumoured by now. So that leaves either Burnett/Lewis to the PS. Id rather not put either there
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
off of this roster, battle > harris
Cut harris, problem solved.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Then off this roster
That means 6 DL. Id go minimum of 7. I’d rather find the weakest spot in my DBs and go with 9 instead of 10 to make room
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they keep 7 last year?
I think you can get away with 6 and Worthington, Harris, or both on the PS.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying to think
Smith, Keisel, Hoke, Hood, Hampton, Kirschke, Eason
We mustve carried 7 at the start, but then when Smith went down injured, I cant remember what happened after that
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris was active a while...
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats right
He came back later in the season after being cut by Carolina after they stole him
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds right
But there was a lot less DB talent and Kirschke was inactive.
After Smith got hurt, they re-signed Harris and he was inactive.
I have to think that numbers aside, both Burnett and Lewis > Harris after this preseaons.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Kirschke started 7 games
And played in 12….
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
6 or 7
Last year Hood was basically redshirted at the beginning of the season.
If Eason is one of the top 6, I’d agree with 7 to get some youth, otherwise 6 guys is proabably fine.
Last year they went into several games with only 5 DL gameday active.
by Steely McSmash on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say Burnett
He looks kinda lost out there right now. He could do with another year on the pants squad, imo.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
My turn
QB (3)
Dixon, Lefty, Batch (Big Ben has his exemption, after week 4 Lefty is gone)
RB (4)
Mendenhall, Moore, Redman, Dwyer
OL (9)
Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Foster, Adams, Essex, Hills, Legursky, J Scott
WR (5)
Ward, Wallace, ARE, Sanders, Brown
TE (3)
Miller, Spaeth, Johnson
DL (7)
Keisel, Hampton, Smith, Hood, Harris, Hoke, Eason, Worthington
LB (9)
Harrison, Timmons, Farrior, Woodley, Fox, Sylvester, Gibson, Worilds, Foote
DBs (10)
McFadden, Clark, Polamalu, Taylor, Butler, Burnett, Lewis, Gay, Mundy, Cromartie Smith
ST (3)
Sepulveda, Reed, Warren
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 3, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Allen is their 3rd safety
If DCS makes the squad its at Mundy’s expense. But i’d be shocked if he did.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot to remove Burnett from the list...
I think he get’s PS
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Burnett needs another year on the pants squad
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
No way in HELL they cut Allen for DCS.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I think we should keep hold of DCS
Allen really provides very little, nothing on ST and no upside as a starter if Clark gets injured. I am happier with Mundy starting than Allen so I let DCS have the spot.
Keep in mind that I have a man crush on DCS as big as MaLoR’s on Big Ben. In reality we will likely keep Allen and let DCS hit the PS.
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This
In reality we will likely keep Allen and let DCS hit the PS.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
What?
Allen is a former special teams captain and will be here again. He’s had multiple tackles this season. He could replace Clark, and is faster than Mundy and can play both positions.
I like DCS, but like I said if I were going to go out on a limb i’d cut Mundy to keep him, not allen.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
could replace clark eventually
and has multiple ST tackles this season.
…… typing too fast….
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Allen fairly old?
I didn’t think he played special teams? What I saw this preseason anyway.
I wanted to do the DCS thing because of a youth movement on D, but I think he would stay on the PS this year in truth.
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 3, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Allen isn't a rook but he ain't old
He just turned 28. Right in his prime. And he’s a special teams demon, quite the opposite. Not the ten-year answer by any means but the exact type of guy we need in the next 2-4.
Mundy, on the other hand, may simply be a step too slow
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also really applied himself out there
With some good hits. He fits our style of FS, and I feel comfortable with him out there instead of Clark if he gets injured. He plays like Clark, just not as smart
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Mundy? or Allen?
I’d keep both over DCS. But would cut Mundy before Allen if I was asked.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean Allen
Agree with the rest
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
No Will Allen? I really dont think so. No way DCS makes the team over him
Other than that, much as mine. I could see Worthington > Harris. No problems with that roster really other than adding Will Allen
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I say, massive man crush
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If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Special Teams remains a weakness..
…so I would try to find a way to keep Anthony Madison and Patrick Bailey. Battle, too, was signed for his ST coverage skill. These three have shown more than any of the rookies during the preseason games.
I would enter the regular season with two (2) QB’s, cutting Lefty to make room for Battle. It does not make sense for Ben and Lefty to return to the team at approximately the same time.
Harris hasn’t shown much, so I would enter the season with six (6) DL’s and add Bailey making ten (10) LB’s. If you don’t like ten (10) LB’s, then one of the rookies would have to be cut, a tough choice.
Then, I would cut either Burnett or Mundy, neither of whom has impressed during the preseason, to make room for Madison.
When Ben comes back, someone else will have to be cut, assuming none of the 53 goes on IR during the first four weeks. Here is where I would cut Burnett or Mundy, whichever one had made the original 53-man roster.
So essentially I’m going with six (6) DL’s, ten (10) LB’s and nine (9) DB’s, and keeping Madison, Bailey and Battle.
The sad part is
Our offense is severely inadequate in one and only one area. Bruce Frickin Arians. I’ve said it before and I will repeat as needed. Our success on offense is a direct result of the talent we have, not the plays that are called. It is sad to me that while we have arguably the most talented offense, personnel wise (for the last few seasons), I have seen in my 31 years of being an avid Steeler fan, it is wasted on the ridiculous mediocrity of Bruce Arians. I wish…. I wish…. I wish I had a wish.
Our offense is deficient in a number of areas. Off. Coord. is probably the second problem behind the O-Line. We haven’t spent nearly enough draft picks on the offensive side of the ball in the last few years for the offense to be strong all around. IMHO Ben carries the entire offense … except for Hines.
grain of salt
OK
I still rank OC above OL purely because a good OC would play to the strengths and weaknesses of that OL. Bruce is incapable.
I believe we have a solid receiving, rushing, tight end and quarterback core. The front line will tool along as well as it has the last three seasons. A good OC could carry this offense.
Kicking a dead horse, I know.
by Damnscot on Sep 4, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, here's mine (won't happen tho):
QB (3)
Batch, Dixon, Leftwich/Ben (Lefty gone when Ben returns)
RB (4)
Mendy, Redman, Moore, Dwyer
OL (9)
Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Foster, Adams, Hills, Legursky, Essex, Scott
TE (3)
Miller, Johnson, Spaeth
WR (6)
Wards, Wallace, Sanders, Brown, Grisham, Battle
DL (7)
Hampton, Smith, Keisel, Hood, Eason, Worthington
LB (9)
Woodley, Farrior, Timmons, Harrison, Gibson, Fox, Foote, Sylvester, Worilds
DB (9)
Taylor, McFadden, Polamalu, Clark, Butler, Lewis, Gay, Allen, Cromartie-Smith
ST (3)
Warren, Reed, Sepulveda
Emergency QB (1)
Isaac Redman
Counted Hoke on 53 but spaced adding him
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 1:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so what won't happen?
If you mean cutting ARE for Grisham, you’re right. Mundy for Cromartie-Smith, you’re probably wrong. Cutting Burnett is a definite possibility. I’d give yourself some credit… put ARE back in and I wouldn’t be shocked at this.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 4, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Meant cutting ARE for Grisham wont happen
primarily. No way that happens. ARE is the only receiver we have with more than one year of experience in our system besides Ward. Also, hes our emergency QB if Batch and Dixon go down to injury in the next cpl weeks behind our shakey line. With Brown and Sanders we have two more El type receivers. If Grisham were over 6’ tall i’d keep him over ARE despite the inexperience in our receiving corps i guess is what i’m saying, but he’s not lmao… so Grisham to practice squad. In all likelihood he’ll be joining Worthington and DC-S there…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 2:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If left is gone when Ben gets back
Then cut him now and give him an injury settlement. He wont be ready to play until week 4 or 5 anyway. Save the roster spot. Let him rehab. If you need him, resign him. If somebody else needs him, good luck, thanks for the memories.
Hartwirg wasn’t anygood.
Move Foster to RG
Can Urbik go on PS? He did not dress in many games last year.
by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 4, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on Lefty,
In that case Worthington stays for sure and Madison gets Lefty’s spot.
Agreed, Hartwig sucked, tho better than Mahan.
On ‘my line’, Essux is a backup to Chris K and Foster is LG until Colon returns next year.
And ya Im pretty sure Urbik can be practise squadded. Thats where i have him, hopefully no one scoops him up. As others have said, he looked improved and better than Legs at guard.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I liked Tank and Hartwig
In preseason, Tank looked like a pretty decent FB. With Tank on the team, I thought that Arians might add some new plays to his playbook. Wishful thinking I guess.
Hartwig was our best backup OL. He wasn’t good enough to play center in the AFC North … but he was our best lineman off the bench. I am sad to see him go. As others have pointed out, that probably came down to money.
grain of salt
I'll be sad if C. Butler goes
I really hope the kid sticks and that the potential i see in him isnt wishful thinking on my part. As far as Hartwig and Summers go, im hoping that they are both cut in all honesty.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 2:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That would make my day
So who do you see getting cut to make room for him? Burnett, Madison, or both?
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say Burnett needs one more year on the PS
He showed a couple of flashes, but not enough to keep him on the 53 this year. He’ll spend this season on the PS, and then next season he makes the squad.
I would cut Madison in favor of Worthington. Youth and upside. We drafted and recruited enough ST demons to cover #37’s absence this year.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
i like it and agree
Burnett probably gets scooped up by another team, but i hope not… I like the guy and would hate to lose him, but no numbers this year. A lot of good depth on this years team.
Also, its still early but this years draft is reminding me of ‘87 for some reason. Probably because we landed so many great players that year and this year I see 8 or 9 draft picks making the team. Also, our ROY that year, Delton Hall was a CB out of Clemson that had size and speed. We got one of those in the fifth round. It would be nice if he could hit like Hall, but i like his coverage skills better than Hall’s.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I highly doubt Burnett gets grabbed off waivers
Every FO guy in the league knows about our CB woes, I really don’t think they would take a flier on a guy who couldn’t make THIS teams defensive backfield.
As to this draft class, the only guy I don’t see making the team this year is that IR’d Scott guy, and possibly Doug Worthington.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I see your point
and its a good one. As far as Scott goes, i think hes on PUP. If so we PS him in six weeks. That would be a 100% hit on our draft picks this year (no outright cuts), not sure thats ever happened before…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You might be correct about Scott being a PUP-py
However, I would love to see DCS, Worthington, Scott, Urbik, Justin Thornton, and Joe Burnett on our PS this year. That would leave one more PS slot open for an eligible player.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Looks good
Grisham WR, Jolly OT, Bright TE, Brooks OG are the frontrunners for that last slot id guess. Of the four i think id go w either Grisham or Bright since you already have two OL on the PS. Of the two id go with Bright since the future looks bright for the reveiving corps and i believe this is Spaeth’s last year here.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. Tyler Grisham
I forgot about him.
Maybe Brandon London, if he’s eligible.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Edit of edit
Screw Bright, i like Grisham too! Wow, way too much coffee for me, signing off for now. All the best.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Edit
Unless of course Bright cant catch, i have no clue whether or not he can in all honesty. My point is id like to see us groom a replacement for Spaeth with that last PS slot. If not Bright then someone else. DJ’s hands seem much improved however…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Johnson sticks to the 53
Since he can also play FB.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Without a doubt
Hes my #2 behind Miller, was just trying to say maybe we try to develop a receiving TE to replace Spaeth in a year with that last PS slot…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GB supposedly has an overload of TE
Maybe we’ll snag one of theirs.
But with Bright they were playing him a couple times at DL/DE during training camp – if he was a real TE developmental prospect I doubt they’d be shuffling him around like that, position flexibility or not.
True, good call
scratch Bright off the list in that case.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no huge surprises
Hope R. Williams gets a gig as I thought he played his heart out but he never had a chance after that draft. Worse comes to worse, I suspect some CFL team will sign him and be thrilled they got him.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 3:50 AM EDT reply actions
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