Cut-Down Day Raises Questions...Or Maybe Not
by Neal Coolong on Sep 4, 2010 8:54 AM EDT
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As our Fearless Leader posted Friday, the Steelers made an early push into cut-down day, trimming their roster of these 11 players: OG Dorian Brooks, OT Kyle Jolly, WR Brandon London, TE Sean McHugh, DT Scott Paxson, LS Matt Stewart, S Justin Thornton, LB Renauld Williams, TE Eugene Bright and RB Justin Vincent.
There are more painful cuts coming. Borderline questionable cuts.
Or maybe not.
Reports are circulating that veteran C Justin Hartwig won't avoid the Turk by today's deadline. That's not a surprising move, considering the way rookie C Maurkice Pouncey played this preseason.
One of the reasons Hartwig and his $2 million price tag are/were deemed expendable was the maturation and versatility of second-year lineman Kraig Urbik. It was said he improved a bit over his rookie season, and had the ability to play both guard positions, and even spent some time at center.
But it seems as if Urbik may be on the Turk's agenda of players to visit this afternoon as well.
If true, it shows how much faith the team has in other young linemen, like Tony Hills, Doug Legursky and Ramon Foster. Or, at the very least, it shows the premium the Steeles (and other teams) place on versatility.
Again, if this is what happens, the Steelers are likely going with nine lineman - (T) Max Starks, Flozell Adams, Jonathan Scott, Hills, (G) Chris Kemoeatu, Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, (C) Pouncey and Legursky.
Legursky's versatility is what would lead the team to release Urbik, the 2009 third-round draft pick out of Wisconsin. While Urbik played center on the second team for minicamp and part of training camp, Legursky's quickness has kept coaches' eyes on his ability as a lead blocking fullback.
Reports are also out that fan favorite Frank "The Tank" Summers will also be cut, most likely due to Legursky's ability to play that position, if needed, as well.
The comments on BTSC are already in an uproar over Summers' presumed release, but when you have two other guys - Legursky and TE/FB David Johnson - who can both play multiple positions, the cut makes sense.
It's a numbers game, and nowhere is that more prevalent than the roster. Legursky can provide depth at center, guard and fullback, while Urbik can only serve the team on the line, and Summers can only play in the backfield.
Veterans like Summers often get cut in favor of the high ceiling rookie, like RB Jonathan Dwyer, Pittsburgh's preseason rushing champ. While he may not have performed well enough to be considered for a roster spot, his potential is high enough that the team won't risk placing him on the practice squad, where another team can sign him to its active roster.
It seems likely another team would scoop both Urbik and Summers up, considering their age, and in Urbik's case, high level of improvement from his Year 1 to Year 2.
The same concept of improvement leaps can be said about Tony Hills. If he makes this team, he did it fighting from the mat up. He had to be a borderline cut going into 2010, but had some strong performances during preseason game competition, and appears to be developing into the tackle the Steelers hoped the could develop when they drafted the raw product in the fourth round in 2007.
The secondary was probably the unit of most intrigue this camp, the cornerback position in particular. The Steelers invested a fifth-round pick into All-American CB/PR Joe Burnett last year, but it doesn't seem likely he'll stick, given the impressive camp of 2010 fifth round pick Crezdon Butler. Burnett will likely be beaten out by Butler at cornerback, and by rookie WR Antonio Brown in the return game (Stefan Logan will also likely be a victim of Brown).
None of this really comes as a surprise. While Logan had a strong season as a kick returner, he also lacks the versatility (there's that word again) that Brown has. The rookie will compete for 4th WR duties, as well as being likely to return the Falcons first kickoff and punt in Week 1.
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Kinda sad to see the tank
it’s going to be tough but we all know what J Dwyer can do. If we can get our line to start pushing people, we could have a monster 3 headed RB attack. Pound that rock!
"'Shady I don't understand your flow,' understand my flow?
Bitch I flow like Troy Polamalu's hair boy
don't you dare try to follow or compare boy"
Well cheer up because...
Summers just signed to the PS after passing up offers from other teams. Says he has “unfinished business in Pittsburgh”. I could care less about Summers in all honesty. Im much more concerned that someone, probably Cleveland, will scoop up Worthington or Harris…
by dru_dead on Sep 5, 2010 4:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
urbik
Pretty sure Urbik was not practice squad last year. And a guy can spend two years on practice squad as long as he is not active for a certain amount of games.
Practice squad
Urbik is eligible for the squad be cause he was an inactive player on the 53 man roster all last season. If A player is active 8 games or less in their first year they are eligible.
I think the Steelers are mixing their cuts up this year. Thinking some of the early cuts will get overlooked an get to the P. squad.
I am pretty sure they would like to have Brooks , Jolly and maybe Thornton on it.
Maybe Urbik and Sumers don’t want to be on the P squad and they are hoping by squealing a day early a team will give them a look.
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
by steeler junky on Sep 4, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say Urbik was on the practice squad
I just took that part out though, I made the mistake of assuming the fact that he wasn’t on the practice squad meant he was on the active roster. Summers was active for at least one game, then he was injured. Urbik was never activated for a game.
by Neal Coolong on Sep 4, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he has to make it through waivers though
its like someone will claim him
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
i really dont have a good feeling about dwyer
i dunno why, and its just a hunch, but i just dont see him being successful.
Dwyer will likely be a bust
I don’t see the upside that everyone talks about. I hope I am wrong, but he looked ordinary most of the time.
He had some good runs against guys who won’t have jobs after 6pm today, but is that and upside enough?
Walter Abercrombie still has potential.
"I'm the man. Write it down."--Bubby Brister
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Sep 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
remember this..
He was/is a 6th round pick…unlike boldin, who is a good player that costs lots of $$$$
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by nycsteelerfan on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF?
Who was talking about Boldin? How does he even fit into this line of conversation?
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Who cares about Boldin?
"I'm the man. Write it down."--Bubby Brister
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Sep 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction
Frank Summers wasn’t on the active roster for all of last season. He was on the IR for most of it.
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Steelers-Re-Sign-Davis-Place-Summers-on-IR/E96D2A2A-1596-49E2-BC4E-A2FC3DEC26A3
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - samliam
I interpreted the rule to be that if a first-year player is active for part of that season, he’s not eligible for the practice squad the following season.
Either way, yes, both would be eligible for the PS, my point is both will be scooped up.
by Neal Coolong on Sep 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
they have to be "active" as getting credit for a game
like listed in their stats game log on nfl.com. and then it’s at least like about 8 games (i forget the exact number and don’t feel like looking it up right now).
Special Teams continues to be a weakness...
…so I would try to find a way to keep Anthony Madison and Patrick Bailey. Arnaz Battle, too, was signed for his ST coverage skill. These three have shown more than any of the rookies during the preseason games.
I would enter the regular season with two (2) QB’s, cutting Lefty to make room for Battle. It does not make sense for Ben and Lefty to return to the team at approximately the same time.
Harris hasn’t shown much, so I would enter the season with six (6) DL’s and add Bailey making ten (10) LB’s. If you don’t like ten (10) LB’s, then one of the rookies would have to be cut, a tough choice.
Then, I would cut either Burnett or Mundy, neither of whom has impressed during the preseason, to make room for Madison.
When Ben comes back, someone else will have to be cut, assuming none of the 53 goes on IR during the first four weeks. Here is where I would cut Burnett or Mundy, whichever one had made the original 53-man roster.
So essentially I’m going with six (6) DL’s, ten (10) LB’s and nine (9) DB’s, and keeping Madison, Bailey and Battle at the expense of Harris, Mundy and Burnett.
Here is my shot at the 53:
QB (2) to start, then (3) when Ben gets back
Ben, Dixon, Batch
RB (4)
Mendenhall, Moore, Redman, Dwyer
OL (9)
Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Foster, Adams, Essex, Hills, Legursky, J Scott
WR (6)
Ward, Wallace, ARE, Sanders, Brown, Battle
TE (3)
Miller, Spaeth, Johnson
DL (6)
Keisel, Hampton, Smith, Hood, Hoke, Eason
LB (10)
Harrison, Timmons, Farrior, Woodley, Fox, Sylvester, Gibson, Worilds, Foote, Bailey
DBs (10) to start then (9) when Ben gets back. Mundy gets cut.
McFadden, Clark, Polamalu, Taylor, Allen, Butler, Lewis, Gay, Mundy, Madison
ST (3)
Sepulveda, Reed, Warren
What do you think?
Cut Mundy and we have only 1 backup safety
by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 4, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true and admittedly I did not think of this..
..but Cromartie-Smith will be safe on the PS and he could be called upon in a pinch.
I like it
Butler and Lewis are also your emergency backup safeties….
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, if both ARE and HW go down
then Isaac Redman is your emergency QB… Sorry, had to get that in there…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bailey and Joe Burnett
Butler is a madman, and will get snapped up by the Ravens if we let him go.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
No 7th D-lineman. It didn't happen...
…Bailey got cut too. Lefty stuck. Too bad Lefty can’t special teams. Come to think of it he can’t play QB at the moment either.
Will someone please explain the strategy.
Backup QBs are something of a scarce commodity this year
Sorgi is hurt, Josh Freeman got hurt, Jason Campbell got hurt, etc. this preseason. Teams have snapped up and are firmly holding onto their Thigpens and Rosenfels and Gradkowskis and the pool of guys out there is pretty dry unless you really want Leinart or want to go digging for Jeff Garcia.
He’s not out for the year, he’s out for a month. And if he is healthy in a month, he’s a more sturdy backup than Batch.
I see your point
Will he be happy as Ben’s backup or does he still have aspirations of being a starting QB somewhere else?
He did say awhile back
that he was happy to be back as Ben’s backup and that he wants to retire as a Steeler. Sounded like he was resigned to being a backup
The Ravens cut Troy Smith today...
…will be entering the season with only two QB’s on the roster. Interesting.
Most teams actually do that these days
they just stash a 3rd on the PS or call up Vinny T. Very few still carry 3 qbs.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
That's right...
I forgot about Testaverde.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, and I have to admit that I'm a little surprised.
Football Gods forbid an injury, I just hope either Harris or Worthington are available on our PS for the call up.
I don't like Scott at all
I’d cut him and go with the starting 5 and Foster, Bronco, and Hills. The three back-ups give us great position flexibility. I think the FO keeps Lefty in the hopes he returns for game 3 or 4,
I'm your huckleberry
Lefty?
Why keep a guy around for 1 or 2 games and completely foul up your active roster?
Cut his ass, pay him the injury severance or whatever. He will not get picked up by anyone else, and he’s just a phone call away.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I agree with you
and hope that happens. But the FO and Tomlin seem to love him, and I think they him as the long-term back-up. I’d much rather keep Harris AND Worthington.
I'm your huckleberry
I would like to keep Worthington as well
My heart says ‘yes’, but my brain says ‘to the PS with him’. He has raw talent, and should be an awesome DE for us next year.
The only reason Hood made the 53 last year is: A) You don’t PS your 1st round pick, and B) Smith got hurt (I know that was later in the season, but it helped get Hood some game time snaps), and you keep guys around for depth for just that scenario.
For the first time in a long time (that I can remember) we actually have a glut of good strong D-line talent, making cuts very hard decisions.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Not so much any more.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Lmao, nice!
Just as long as he doesnt sack himself and IR himself in so doing, im cool with that!
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The space-time continuum couldn't handle both Harrison and Redman in that close proximity
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
It was for that very reason
that the coaches made sure that they were never in close proximity during camp. I understand that if they approached each other too closely, the field began to glow a strange blue color.
My heros have always been Steelers...
I heard they gave Redman his own locker room
Ala Brittany Favre so he and Deebo wouldn’t destroy the building with the clashes of awesomness by sharing the same locker room.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
+100
"The lord wants you to put your foot on their balls and believe in it, because that's what wins football games. Not jumping offsides like a bunch of wimps and faggots. Alright lift your heads boys, prayers over. I talked to god. I'm thru talking to god, now I'm talking to you."
~ Coach Wayne Hisler ~
Thanks
Re-reading it now that I’ve had a couple cups of coffee, it looks clunky and hastily thrown together…
Ah well, at least it made you laugh (I assume).
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
You had me at "locker room".
The rest of line was just color. You couldve left it after “locker room”. I probably wouldve laughed harder. :)
"The lord wants you to put your foot on their balls and believe in it, because that's what wins football games. Not jumping offsides like a bunch of wimps and faggots. Alright lift your heads boys, prayers over. I talked to god. I'm thru talking to god, now I'm talking to you."
~ Coach Wayne Hisler ~
The PPG
is reporting that the Steelers won’t announce final cuts until close to the 6:00 PM deadline.
I'm your huckleberry
not cut related
but Batch is apparantly gonna start
So I’m assuming Dixon is gonna sub in for some packages.
Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming after Lefty's injury
(crickets)
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Hehe.
It was pretty obvious to anyone who’s followed the Steelers for any length of time.
It pains me to say it, but DD may very well be nothing more than a career back-up, and option QB, ala Mike Vick.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Disagree
The book has yet to be written on Dixon. He has loads of potential so we shall see. As for Vick, he was a good starter. Mind you, he had his weeknesses – pocket presence, accuracy but his legs more than made up for that. The jail time away from football killed his starter ability.
If you think you can do a thing, or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford
by SteelObsession on Sep 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We agree to disagree
Dennis has not yet had his book written, this is true. However, were he starting caliber, don’t you think he would be starting before Chuck?
Not saying that he will NEVER be a starter, but from what I’ve seen, and the Steelers actions, it makes me wonder about it.
Also, Vick has a bigger arm than Dennis, and has had longer to learn how to play at the professional level. If Vick were more than a back-up, don’t you think he would be starting somewhere? Like Cleveland or Tampa?
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Batch starting
Has more to do with the Steeler way of not taking chances and throwing new players into pressure situations just to test them. Not saying it is the correct way just more typical. Also, it is my opinion that they have already been preparing Dixon for the “DD package” . Having him continue with that option makes sense and they know Batch will be fine without all the snaps – he is a heady QB and can handle it.
As for Vick, the way I read your post was that Vick should have never been more than a backup and was only an option QB. I say no way. He terrorized defenses and gave D- coordinators nightmares. I hate him personally but the guy could play ball. As I stated above…could.
If you think you can do a thing, or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford
by SteelObsession on Sep 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Dixon excels at the "Double Duck" package.
As for Vick lighting up D’s…Nobody was prepared for him. The last, and only, time anyone saw anything close to what Vick did was Kordell. DC’s didn’t know how to handle him.
Now, with the emergence of the single-wing offense at the NFL level, DC’s are game planning for the more mobile QB’s. Which makes Vick pretty much obsolete, except as a back-up/change-of-pace QB. Almost the same as with Dixon.
When the Steelers drafted DD, IIRC, it was right after the first year that Miami had implemented their version of the single-wing. It worked that year, but now people (DC’s) recognize it, and can prepare for it.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
ESPN, via the Star Ledger is reporting the Giants cut Rhett Bomar
Not surprising after they traded for Rosenfles, but I thought he played very well against us in the pre-season. Anyone have an idea of where we stand in terms of the waiver wire?
I'm your huckleberry
My understanding is that
Before the new season starts, the waiver wire order, is the same as the original draft order, before any draft order trades. So we would be 18th.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - samliam
thank you
I’ve always wondered about that. Not that I recall us picking anyone up on the waiver wire, but I find myself thinking about any talent that might slip through the cracks. Rumor has it the Packers may try to slip Quinn Johnson through waivers. He is a heck of a lead blocker from the FB position and I would love to see us pick him up… I just don’t know who we’d release to do it. Maybe Moore if both Redman and Dwyer on the final 53?
I'm your huckleberry
Not a chance
We had 3 FB’s in camp at one time. All 3 have been cut/released. The Big Legursky and David Johnson are hybrid FB’s, and the positional flex will win out every time.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I know....
but I can still daydream about an old-school FB that simply destroys people at the point of attack and while pass blocking, catches out of the backfield, and occasionally runs it up the middle for 3 yards on 4th and 2, right?
I'm your huckleberry
Sure
but it’d be a nightmare for BA.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - samliam
I really hate BA as a coach for a variety of reasons
but his views on the FB position is absolutely chief among them.
I'm your huckleberry
I would say his horrendous situational playcalling is chief
But yes, his hatred for FB’s is up there too
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
minus one
On 3d and one
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
by steeler junky on Sep 4, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
but a slow developing sweep
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 5, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
See if we can snag Big Jim Kleinsasser
That guy is seriously the most under rated FB in the league. Possibly, the most under rated player period.
Oops, just checked NFL’s website. Big Jim is listed as a TE. PERFECT!!! He’s still a great lead blocker out of the backfield.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Willie Parker got cut too
Sad to see that happen. Hope he can catch on with another team. But after watching him in preseason, it just dont seem he has much left. The last game, rookie LB Daryl Washington was running him down like it wasn’t nuthin.
This sentence should take up no more than 1 line.
Willie isn't fast anymore
and that’s all he had going for him.
I has a sad about Parker. A moment of silence, for Willie, if you please.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Willie signed with a team that already had 2 vet RB's
He should have waited for an opportunity where there was a real need. Redskins were going to a zone running game, Parker was never able to read holes.
Blame the agent.
by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jebus...I said a moment of silence...
Just yankin’ around.
Anyway, I could see him getting snapped up by Denver, along with Frank Summers. They have literally NOBODY proven to run the ball over there.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
lotta teams out there need RBs
so maybe Parker has some hope. But I doubt he is at the top of the list.
Really?
How many other FA RB’s have a SB ring, or own the record for longest TD run a SB history?
Right now, I think Willie is the top RB available. Which, with Denvers RB woes, means that is where he will most likely end up.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Teams are not looking at Willie's jewelry
There looking at his performance which has not been very good for a while.
"I'm the man. Write it down."--Bubby Brister
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Sep 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
But Willie has proven himself to be a decent to good RB
on an NFL team. Which means that a team that is desperate (Denver) will most likely take a chance on him.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
he's proven himself to be a decent rb in the past
not so much now.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Which is why I think Denver will give him a go.
They have no proven RB’s. Period.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
eh I don't think most teams are very concerned
with “proven” at rb anymore. Especially if Denver still uses the zone scheme, I have no idea if McDaniels scrapped it.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Batch Plus Reflection on Cuts
I have to say that I agree with starting Batch. He has more experience, and Dixon (by all accounts, they did not show the game in my corner of the world) looked pretty bad against Denver.
Plus Gerry DuLac had a good point, it is easier to start Batch and then ask Dixon to come to the rescue, than putting all of that pressure on Dixon from the get go.
Good analysis of the situations as each position. There are a lot of tough choices to make. Kind of makes me wish that the Steelers would follow the example set by the Washington Redshirts er um, Redskins in the 1980’s, of stashing players on IR.
Ultimately they will not do this, but man, in an uncapped year, that has got to be tempting. At the end of the day, Mike Tomlin is a man of instinct, and he and Kevin Colbert do not make personnel decisions running scared, which are both good things.
"Wow"?
Is it really that surprising? He sucks.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I'm not sure he sucks
He was great in college and he had some decent games for AZ. I said “wow” because Whiz never seemed to give the kid a true chance to develop. I get the feeling that the decision is based more on personality than talent. If that is accurate, tt the pro level, I expect the decisions to be based more on talent when the kid is not engaged in misconduct. He may suck, but I bet he gets picked up in about 5 seconds.
I'm your huckleberry
Joey Harrington was great in college too
Just sayin’.
I’m sure some desperate team will take a flier on him, but he won’t start. Not even for Cleveland or Buffalo.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Funny stuff
Harrington isn’t even in the NFL anymore. IIRC, he’s a radio host for some football related show somewhere.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
That is all pure speculation.
Whiz sees him in practice, he knows what he has. Apparently, he doesn’t have much.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He's known for having zero work ethic
it’s not really based on personality as much as him being plain lazy by most accounts. Plus he also wanted out.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
yeah that's not really surprising
apparently both sides wanted a split.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I'm kinda sorry about Kraig Urbik;
guy had a great college career at Wisconsin (of course, UW always has a great O line). I’ve heard it said that most guys don’t reach their peak strength until they’re about 25 or 26, and for O linemen it’s all about strength, balance and footwork.
I wonder if he’ll PS?
My heros have always been Steelers...
I really like Urbik
and hope we don’t lose him. Heck, I’ve been hoping that his agent is wrong about his being released and we keep him on the 53. I’d drop Scott for him in a heartbeat.
I'm your huckleberry
Seriously
Scott is old, and the only reason he’s here at all is because our new line coach brought him in from Buffalo.
Urbik has too much upside to be let go.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
and one more
Hopefully he makes the PS because i thought he was blowing peopleoff the line this year in the running game, granted they were 2nd stringers. Still deserves a chance though
by TrueSteelerForLife on Sep 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No but scott sucks
I’m glad he only signed a one year deal
by TrueSteelerForLife on Sep 4, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh...I saw a pic of him and he looked Flozells age...
Oh well, I’d still rather keep the younger Scott and Urbik over a guy who played spot duty in BUFFALO of all places. Their line sucked worse than ours did last year.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Been in the league only 4 years, and a year younger than Starks actually
C. Scott has a legit redshirt season, it’s already wait until next year for him.
Call me insane, but
I would rather take future talent as a back-up than a guy who was released by one of the worst teams in the league.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
It's fair in the long run
But in the short term I’ll take the guy who knows the playbook and has been practicing over the one who hasn’t
Who? Over Urbik?
Urbik has had a full year with the Steelers, Scott came in before this camp.
If you meant the rookie Scott, then I agree with you there. Of course, Rookie Scott is on the PUP list, and will be PS’d after he gets off PUP.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
I meant over rookie C. Scott
Urbik has had a full year to solidify a place on the depth chart ahead of two undrafted guys and couldn’t do it so I’m ok with him being released. He was never really competing with J. Scott for a roster spot.
What does J. Scott bring to the table?
Have they tried him out at other positions than tackle? Urbik has even been playing center in practice.
I see Urbik hitting the PS. Maybe J. Scott sticks, but only if Hills reverts back to his old self.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
He’s played both tackle positions, and the fact is he’s the only backup OT we have that’s even dressed on game days before, let alone started. His track record may be spotty at best, but put that up against Hills who has never dressed and has only played LT.
It doesn’t matter that Urbik has been playing center in practice when Legursky is better than him. Why keep a guy to be a 3rd string center/5th best guard over a guy Kugler likely thinks can back up both OT spots on game day?
See? This is why we/I come to these blogs
To hash out ideas, and have discussions about the merits (or lack thereof) of players.
If Kugler really thinks J. Scott is the more viable option, then I’ll trust him , as the Steelers do.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
True that on these blogs
Kugler would’ve brought down the banhammer on any FO attempts to sign J. Scott if he didn’t at least think he’d be serviceable for a year. I trust new coaches until they show they can’t be trusted, and it’s too early to start distrusting Kugler.
Yeah i don't really get why we cut him
though if he’s actually a worse option than Trai Essex then that’s some pretty awful drafting
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Bailey cut
Says insidepittsburghsports on twitter
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not surprising at all
We drafted 3 line backers, and all three are supposed to be ST demons. All of them are younger than Bailey too, which makes him expendable.
Another cut I called correctly.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
Do you think Madison makes it?
what about Worthington or Harris?
by TrueSteelerForLife on Sep 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they have started a "youth movement"
The FO brought in a crapton of ST aces this offseason. The law of averages says that at least ONE of them can ball like Madison on ST. Also, every one of those guys they brought in can play other positions, which is NOT #37’s strong suit. There’s a reason Madison didn’t see the field except for in the late 3rd-4th quarter this per-season as a corner.
I would LOVE to see Harris making the 53, inactive on game day, and Worthington to hit the PS for a year.
"I am a total flaming homo"
- by biggcat on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 AM PDT
couple maybe interesting waives for various reasons
SFO Cut Bruce Davis (former Steeler OLB)
SFO Cut Michael Robinson (PSU QB)
PHL Cut Boo Robinson – UDFA NT candidate (maybe PS?)
AZ Cut Herman Johnson (Giant Guard/RT Prospect — Largest baby in Louisiana history)
CHI cut DT Jarron Gilbert (famous for jumping out of a swimming pool)
CHI cut WR Freddie Barnes (maybe PS guy?)
No shit
I remember Gilbert being tossed around by draft experts as a borderline 1st rounder and a future 3-4 DE freak
Bruce Davis
Needs to give it up.
"I'm the man. Write it down."--Bubby Brister
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Sep 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Pick up Herman Johnson...
At guard, not having to worry about speed rush, he’s a monster.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 4, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just Posted other 11
Steelers just posted the other cuts…
The following players were released by the Steelers: LB Patrick Bailey, CB Joe Burnett, S Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith, WR Tyler Grisham, DE Sunny Harris, C Justin Hartwig, WR Stefan Logan, DT Steve McLendon, FB Frank Summers, OG Kraig Urbik and DT Doug Worthington.
The Steelers’ 53-man roster includes three quarterbacks, four running backs, three tight ends, six wide receivers, nine offensive linemen, six defensive linemen, nine linebackers, 10 defensive backs, one kicker, one punter and one long snapper.
No real surprises
Cutting Hartwig is a gamble.
"I'm the man. Write it down."--Bubby Brister
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Sep 4, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Any way we can stick Hartwig on the PS too? Maybe we don’t need him on the active roster for now, but it would be nice to keep him on the PS just to have that option, because he is a serviceable center.
After yesterday's cuts and the leaks about Hartwig, Summers and Urbik..
…this is what I expected. Except I would have cut Lefty and kept Bailey.
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Steelers-release-11--get-to-53/2f50ed4a-edff-461f-a600-1d2acf845dc4
www.youtube.com/user/BLACKxGOLD
Hartwig had to go
Hartwig has been a liability from day one. The Denver game with Pouncey as center gave our QB’s a pocket like every other team enjoys. Hartwig had to go and Essex is next.
by necnet17 on Sep 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hopefully that one day...
Is in eight days.
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" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Dixon needs to start or cut him
This is Dixon’s third year with the team; if we can’t count on Dixon at this point in his career then move him to wide receiver. Throw Dixon in there and take your chances.
DD will do well enough
Either as the starter, in steelcat packages or both and we will get good value for him in a trade when Ben returns. Thats what i hope for at least…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope DD does well
I hope so too, Dru. What better time than now to find out what DD can do.
he missed most of his first season with the acl tear
so it’s not really his third year of playing. That being said I would mostly agree, there’s really not much point in keeping him around.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Hartwig had to go
It doesn’t mean Hartwig wasn’t a liability, it just means that he was better than Mahan.
he was an average player
thats not a liability. Steeler fans sure have been spoiled by Webster, Dawson, and Hartings.
That's your opinion
Shleeve, you see it one way and I see it another. It’s your opinion which doesn’t make it right but to call me spoiled (you sir are mistaken).
it was all in good fun, i didnt single u out.
still though, he was decent. not just my opinion either.
no worries
I respect your opinion and enjoy the back and forth. It’s nice to talk to Steeler fans. I live in Ohio near Dayton.
Thanks Gina
Shleeve, I think Gina is on my side.
Hartwig wasn't good for the money he was making.
He wasn’t awful, after all, we did win the SB with him (despite the fact that he nearly lost it with 2 pts in the EZ). It boiled down to he wasn’t worth the money if he wasn’t starting.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sad About Burnett Too
I know we have a lot of young talent in the secondary … it was inevitable that we were going to cut someone with potential.
I know Joe Burnett looked mediocre last year, but I had hope for him. Sad to see him go. Hope he sticks somewhere else.
Obviously, I am glad we kept the others in the secondary. K Lewis and C Butler look like great prospects.
grain of salt
I might as well go support the Browns
if we are going to cut DCS
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If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 4, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
LMAO!!!
I like him too, had him over Mundy in my mock, but i wouldnt go so far as to say I may as well go support the Browns now. Unless of course the Browns sign him or scoop him off our PS….
He’ll stick on our PS… i hope….;+/
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 8:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care, I just ordered my Colt McCoy jersey!
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 4, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A true Browns fan would NEVER use the subject line.
by gsiegel on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dammit, you got me! I am secretly a bungles fan… I mean Bengals.
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 4, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Bengals cheerleader wins $11 million judgment vs. website
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/08/bengals-cheerleader-std/1?csp=obinsite
I do wish we got news like that sometimes
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