Steelers make final roster cuts
by acrollet on Sep 4, 2010 8:06 PM EDT
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PrintThe Steelers released the names of the final players to be cut with 2 hours left until the deadline.
From steelers.com, here are the final names:
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Not really any big surprises on this list, especially since it was leaked out that Frank Summers was going to get a visit from the Turk. The next most surprising names are probably Joe Burnett and Sunny Harris - neither seemed to make that second year leap in camp this year. Sound off, BTSC - who do you think shouldn't have been on list, and who would you have cut instead?
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no!!! Harris, again. good luck guys and hope 6 make it to the PS
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
by PCISteeler on Sep 4, 2010 8:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We have entered into the Age of Redman.
He is now officially a Pittsburgh Steeler.
For some reason, I feel a sense of pride in this. Seriously, seeing how good he was last year and following his whole story, I feel somewhat invested in him as a player, no joking. He looks like he is going to be a fantastic edition to the team. I love watching him run. He wants the contact, like Bettis.
Here’s hoping BA and Tomlin give him the opportunities to shine this year. I think he alone could spell the end of our redzone issues.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
Still waiting
for his jersey to become available at nfl.com, fansedge.com, etc. Yeah, you can customise one at nfl.com, but the reviews for them there, have issues with the iron on numbers and nameplate.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - samliam
Oh and to Stefan Logan, good riddance.
He had potential, but it was never realized. This PS he didn’t look any better.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
Agreed.
Logan is good enough to catch on elsewhere in the NFL; perhaps a team that has at least some imagination for better utilizing his skills.
that too
but I was just astounded by the “good riddance,” you usually say that to people who did something wrong.
Ok I am sick of seeing him ALMOST take it to the house, only to fail because he wants to frigging dance.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
And then get stripped of the ball after refusing to go down for 30 seconds.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
hopefully in the NFC
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - samliam
Like how he holds the Steelers record for return yards?
Think before you type.
And how many return TD's does he have to show for all those yards?
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
be careful
what you wish for , you just might get it
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked Logan even when he was in the CFL
He was the most productive kick returner we have had in perhaps ten years. While we all jump up and down over kicks returned for a TD, the NFL game really is about field position and he gave us that in spades. All those return yards add up to a short field for the offense and contributed to all the scoring we did last year. Looking just at TD’s misses most of the point of NFL special teams play.
Having said that, now having seen Brown and looked at the roster I would have cut him as well. Hope he will catch on somewhere and the "good riddance’ comment really is kind of bizarre.
Ok perhaps I was a BIT harsh....
But Logan annoyed the hell out of me last year. He had some good runs, but he wasn’t that amazing really.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
There were a number of players last year that annoyed me.
Ya know who didn’t annoy me? Isaac Redman.
God damn right.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
Can i just say something to svenhoek
He was third in the league in kickoff return yards. That is pretty amazing
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
Equally amazing
Our defense crumbling in the 4th quarter, giving up numerous late scores, and giving Logan plenty of opportunities to add to his total
by barnerburner on Sep 5, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Logan Stats 2009:
Kick Returns: 4th in league with 55
Total Yards: 3rd in league
Avg per Return: 6th with 26.7(I only counted those with 20+. There were four players with <20 returns but still had a TD and higher average)
Punt Returns: 10th in league with 30
Total Yards: 10th in league
Avg per Ret: 18th in league (Only counted those with double digit returns)
2008: Kick Returns by Team
Kick Returns: 31st= in league with 50 Returns
Total Yards: 31st in league
Avg per Return: 20.3 yp (29th in league)
Punt Returns: 8th in league with 41 returns
Total Yards: 25th in league
Avg per Return: 6 yp (Last in league)
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Stefan Logan was replacing our combo of Gary Russell and Carey Davis returning kicks, all for just 6 yards more (only 4 yards more by Team Stats) per kick return. Better yes, but he had far more oppurtunities than most individual kick returners in the league, and didnt do much. Not blaming Logan entirely, but he wasnt as flashy or electric as many made him out to be.
Logan replacing Davis/Russell is like realising your car is faster to work than a bike. Our special teams was so bad both years, Logan just had more gas to get further upfield before it crumbled. That in my opinion wasnt worth wasting a roster spot on a pure returner rather than a multi facet game kinda guy (Again, probably not entirely Logans fault)
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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
5th best defense overall means yardage, not scoring
We were tied for 9th in total number of kick returns as a result of our disappointing finish tied for only the 13th best scoring defense. But Steeler_’s stats explain Logan’s padding even better
I woulda cut Essex and kept Urbik
Essex is the worst OL. Start Foster at RG. I would have inury cut Byron. He wont be ready to play until week 4 or 5, mark my words. Kept another DE.
I alsowoulda cut BA and kept a FB.
by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Arians? lol
The 4th Line Blog
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Sep 4, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed on Essex/Urbik. But obviously the coaches know way more about these guys than we do.
grain of salt
Essex
also plays T, not just G … Urbik can’t even play G it seems
Have you seen Essex play T?
He is even worse at T than G
by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 5, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Urbik’s battle was w Legs. Good decision, im a legs man.
Essex’s battle was w Foster for starting RG and future (next year) G/T swingman (add Scott the PUP to next years battle as well, it’ll be a three way w one cut in the end, lol)…
by dru_dead on Sep 6, 2010 4:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wish I could make that green by myself
cut BA and keep a FB
I'll help
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm good with it....the special teams will be greatly improved this year....
This year’s coverage teams will be much, much better and Sylvester will be an absolute beast.
I also wouldn’t be totally shocked if they picked up somebody who just got cut from another team.
And now dawns the Isaac Redman era….where the world will finally understand the meaning of the number 33 on my bottle of Rolling Rock. It could be a drinking game where we chug for every first down or touchdown he gets. We could be in for a lot of drinking this year, and for years to come. Bottoms up, everyone!
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
+33 to the drinking game
Nice one!
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 8:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you'd die of alcohol poisoning by the time the 1st quarter is over
maybe it would be better to only drink every time he’s elected into the HOF every game. i bet that would be plenty
I’m going to assume 95 or so beers over the season then.
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by Justin Azevedo on Sep 4, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
95 beers over the course of the game...
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We’ll need to build a new hall of fame. I’m sure Redman could take an afternoon and get it done.
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Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Sep 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
take one down, pass it around...
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - samliam
Better Pull Up Your Bukowski Pants.
You’ll surely best Andre the Giant’s record of 119 beers in one sitting.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Yup, nice call
Steelers were founded 7/8/33
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You still drink Rolling Rock
Even though it is now brewed from the “mountain spring” waters in Newark NJ? I haven’t had one since they left Latrobe. Can’t believe they can be allowed to keep that slogan on the bottles.
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Sep 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
and IC is brewed at the old rolling rock factory, supposedly.
But a 30 pack of IC light I bought last year (among the worst beers Ive ever had, IMO) listed a midwestern state as its brewing place. Wonder if they contract brew.
Yuengling... Best... Beer... Ever...
Been waiting for it to come to the midwest forever.
+1829
Yuengling is my all time favorite ‘cheap’ beer. If only it was available in VT, I’d save a ton on beer expenses. Hard to believe I pay damn near 150 for a 1/2 barrel of quality stuff like SN Pale ale, but Id rather have good ol yuengling on tap.
wish I could ship it to you
I live less than an hour from the brewery. generally always have yuengling on hand. As much as I love Sam Adams and Guiness, that gets bit expensive after while. Yuengling is only +/- $18 a case. Actually started drinking The Champagne of Beers lately. Blast from the past.
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Sep 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still pissed about this.
I miss Rolling Rock — particularly the old returnable “green grenades.”
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Thoughts on teh cuts
Dang it, I was actually evaluating the poll when I saw the third option. Redman all the way baby!
10 DB’s, 9 lb’s 6 DL. Man our health better hold up on the line.
Doug Worthington. The only rookie cut from this class. This class looks phenomenal. Some say you can’t judge a class for three years, but no one is that psychic. All of our picks look good, and they were beating out decent Vets to get spots. Tomlin’s drafts are starting to look better, esp if Hills turns out ok.
Let me emphasize. We drafted Ten guys this year. Nine made the 53. That doesn’t happen, esp. not on a team with experienced depth.
sorry, 8 made the 53, only one got cut.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 4, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That D-line point is what scares me.
Maybe Worthington has been better in pre-season, maybe Harris is better for being around longer….not sure which and at spot # 50 or 53, I’m not going to be particular. Yet I can’t help but hope one of them makes it to the PS because I think we’re going to need the young legs at somepoint. Great that Mr. Smith is back, Ziggy is much improved, etc…..in this game of attrition, we’ll need the extra body.
Agreed
I would like to point out that age shouldn’t really effect a 3-4 defensive line too much though. The only thing they could lose basically is explosion. But they don’t need speed and they don’t need explosion quite as much as the outside ’backers do. So, I am not too worried
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
Split the difference?
A 7th D-lineman’s fresher legs. With only 6 pairs, that could be some serious mileage….any idea if we have a breakdown of the # of plays for each guy from last year? Maybe that will lessen my initial opposing reaction.
We were short last year because of Smith
The old D-Line was a big reason we didn’t finish games. Hoke can obviously get time when Casey needs to breathe and Ziggy could fill in for anybody on the line and eason obviously. So by the end of the game, the 1st D-Line will be fresher than at the end of games last year. So where would a 7th d-lineman come into play?
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
By the end of the season, it would be a great insurance policy.
Let’s be realistic here, all three starters are what, 32 + and will need a blow. We have Hoke, Ziggy and Eason lined up and ready to go, and I hope the rotation is set for them all to get some significant playing time already. By the 12th game, a nice set of fresh legs would be great, especially in the 4th Q where we struggled last year.
I’m concerned based upon last year, and that A. Smith at 34 has missed the better part of 2 of the last 4 seasons.
Okay, I see your point
but I think our D-Line is good enough to get by at their age. Plus with Timmons finally coming tino his own, the run d will be just as great as always. Valid point, though
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
I think the team did great with the LB's this year, and that is absolutely going to help address my concerns as well.
I think beyond the starters we’re in great shape. Two backups for the Outside guys (who really didn’t have any backups LY), and three for the insides. Granted there will be a lot of special team play for the rookies, but even so, I’m feeling great about the group overall. To your point, the run D will be great, Timmons is looking like a consistent play maker (rather than just flashes), I love the Foote/Farrior combo and Fox and Sylvester….
With the great OLB’s we have, and they now get a chance for a breather, the 4th Q may not be so worrisome.
Timmons is a freaking monster.
He is blazing fast and drops like Mjöllnir on fools. I’m sure he loosens teeth with those hits.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
These cuts are solid.
Would love to have Worthington and Harris on the team next year giving the D-Line youth, finally. Also hope D’M C-S, and Tank stay on our P.S. Sucks for Burnett, not only did he get beat out but he isn’t eligible for P.S meaning he is no longer a Steeler. I think Butler really makes this draft class special. Just the fact that he be out Burnett, a higher-draft pick with a year in the system under his belt, speaks volumes to the type of special player he will be. I am really excited about him. One question about the draft class. Why the hell did we draft Scott, when he wasn’t even good in college??
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
Butler looks like a steal!
Butler has game. I think Redman behind Pouncey will be special this year too on short yardage.
What do you guys think about James Harrison playing DE if needed and placing Timmons outside, just in case the D-line breaks down?
id rather have woodley play DE. he played that position in college.
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
by PCISteeler on Sep 4, 2010 9:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'd go with Woodey,
…either him or you guessed it, Redman.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Redman should be our Deion Sanders. RB, DE,backup QB, assistant head coach. Redman’s my hero.
Scott was brought in to take the focus off Hartwig and Essex when they looked at tape on Monday.
Isaac Dreadman
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
you can say that again
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
is that a halo?
I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).
yeah they did it wrong
shouda been more of an eye laser, ala cyclops from marvel comics or Fulgore from killer instinct.
I thought it more of a train light
barreling down, down, down hill.
whooo-ooooo!
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Isaac Dreadman
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Dddaammnnn!!! just noticed,
Redman snapped that dudes arm off! Can’t say Im suprised… Blood on the tracks through the Isaac Redzone!
by dru_dead on Sep 6, 2010 7:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think that would be necessary.
I think Hood can start if needed. But seriously, I know Tomlin loves postion flexibility but Chris Scott was so bad I had no clue why we drafed him. Can someone please try to provide me with a reasonable explanation?
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
O-line play
So you watch a lot of o-line play from Tennessee games . come on dude you have no idea how good or bad a offensive lineman is with out the coaches tape. ps most starting o-lineman in the sec can play a little.
"sale the team" sweetleb
plus 1
The Steelers scouted G/T Chris Scott because G Foster put in a recommendation that the steelers should scout him. They must have seen something they liked. Plus a couple scouting sites had C. Scott listed in the top 20 Tackles coming out of college last spring.
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by steeler junky on Sep 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
When did he play so bad?
Chris Scott has been on the PUP all of camp and preseason with a broken foot, but he could still be really bad, I just haven’t seen him play at all.
by bandwagonshmandwagon on Sep 5, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Around the draft, someone here posted a 10 minute video on his highlight and lowlight reel, just a lot of his plays. He looked awful on almost every single play. He doesn’t look strong or quick so what is he? I am pretty sure he woulda went 7th round because when we drafted there was basically no scouting info.
I would have rather seen someone good in a weak conference then vice versa
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
Woodley works for me
I forgot about that. Imagine if Smith went down and we put Woodley and Harrison on one side together.
putting Timmons on the other side, and put in Foote, Farrior, Fox, or Slyt at ILB…. thats almost not fair lol
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly
"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly
by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Sep 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Worthington makes the PS
along with 4 others. If we lose a DL he will be brought back
I am sorry for Logan. I would have liked to see him used as a back a bit more but I have to admit Brown has way more upside. It is the same for R Williams at LB. He looked good but there wasn’t a chance he would bump any of the guys we kept.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, worthington definitely on the PS is he makes it past waivers.
I’d like to see Summers and Burnett on there as well … I don’t know if the Steelers like to use those slots on guys who have been around as long as Burnett…
grain of salt
Unfortunately...
Im pretty sure Burnett was active in more than 8 games last year which makes him ineligible for PS.
Does anyone know what day practice squads are filled? I know theres a deadline but i cant find the date.
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PS should be announced sometime Sunday
According to steelersdepot
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 11:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Btw,
The waiver deadline passed at 12pm today. Frank Summers has signed to the PS after passing up offers from other teams. Says he “has unfinished business in Pittsburgh” fwiw.
by dru_dead on Sep 5, 2010 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FAiL, whoops
Was trying to say Im more concerned about Harris and Worthington. I really hope they both sign to our taxi squad. I think the Browns claim one of them… I could care less about Summers really.
by dru_dead on Sep 5, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lightningrod?
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC team active 53
Missed the reference
All i know is that im manic depressive when it comes to the Steelers. Apparently i suffer from multiple personality disorder as well…lol
by dru_dead on Sep 6, 2010 4:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A guy named lightningrod
used to boost comment #s on his fanposts by spamming them himself with random-ass ridiculousness.
I was jokingly (kinda) asking if you were him.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
Yup
He always commented on his own posts first, probably as a way of trying to stir up conversation
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember once last year
He had like, 5 fanposts in a row, bam bam bam bam bam. All of them had about 20-25 comments, all from him…It was so weird….
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
I loved him
remember the stuff about Mike Tomlin using KGB mind games on us all?
Xbox Live Gamertag - IMIeursault currently MW2 and Madden 11.
If Troy, Harrison and Woodley are on top of their game, that is good for 9 wins right there, regardless of what is going on with their offense. - Mr MaLoR 28/6/10
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Sep 7, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah..
That one was pretty good.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
Remember Air Holmes?
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 7, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Name rings a bell
Unless a poster/commenter either really annoys me or becomes my friend, I tend to not pay too much attention to them.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
Also... Dwyer
did anyone see the video about Dwyer’s lowlights from the Denver game that was posted on Sportsview.com? Did someone post that in an attempt to make him less attractive if he was cut so he might have a chance to get to the practice squad.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
I think they posted that to show that Dwyer is HORRIBLE at everything besides running it. I am looking at you, Georgie Tech head coach…
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
Our coaches have all year
to work with him on his weak points. If he can sort them out, he will be a heck of a good player. If not then not so much.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can ALL agree that we ALL love redman but why do you hate Dwyer dude?
he’s got some real potential as i think we all saw in the last 2 games
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
He seems one dimensional. Give him a hole and sure, he’ll run through it, but his ability to make something out of nothing seems limited. He also runs in a straight line…always. On the upside, he doesn’t spin on every carry.
Disagree
One of his best abilities is that he has good moves and quick feet.
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by steeler junky on Sep 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Does any body know what the players do on the practice squad And don’t say practice. Cuz seriously, what can eight guys do for a whole year??
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
they learn opposing team’s schemes and try to simulate them in practice…. and ummm … get promoted if someone gets injured?
that’s all I got.
grain of salt
how if they only have 8 guys?
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
they practice against the starters with the upcoming opponents schemes.
I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).
ask james harrison
"sale the team" sweetleb
I think I know this
They babysit for the players and make a little money shoveling snow.
haha, its probably true
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
LOL
dont be sorry because while we are making jokes about these guys, the truth is any one of us would kill to be in the position that they are
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
Redman would destroy Tiger Woods
Just a hunch…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dru_dead this is the making of a new friendship
I think Redman’s dating Elin
Wait, the gay chick?
First he cures cancer, and now he turns lesbians straight… He really is a God. Strike that, THE God…
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate to be the wet blanket here, but...
everyone seems to be praising these picks, in particular this years draft class. Alot of vet got cut, but so did alot of second year guys, and that means we are starting from square one in that respect. I would like to point out that 4 of these cuts were from last years draft class. Urbik, Burnett, Harris, Summers.
What this suggests to me is that these guys did not progress from year one to year two, and that last years draft class isn’t as good as many thought it was. Tell me this, outside of Hood, who stood out, and really improved their stock off last years class? It’s great that alot of these rookies made the team, but how great will it be if half the class gets cut next year without really contributing to the team.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
Thanks, im depressed now
Im off to rewatch the Steelers vs Panthers game from Thurs…;+/
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WALLACE!!!!!!!!
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks jcogz43
by dru_dead on Sep 4, 2010 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+33
oh, yeah, and Redman (although he wasn’t “drafted”… even better)
I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).
OK... I hear you but...
Yeah… for some reason, the Steelers have problem with later round picks… And being our second round pick is a horrible place to be… Still, I would rather have them cut these guys and move on than stick with them for years just because we drafted them.
If they only cut these guys because they were one year older than this year’s “Great Hope” then… your fears are founded.
But, if they opened an honest competition and the new guys just beat them out… then why not? And look at them… Burnett never really seemed to shine. And he wasn’t a high draft pick. Summers showed flashes but never was very consistent. Urbik… I can’t tell you anything about him… Nor Harris… It’s not like we were watching greatness (which is probably your point…)
The fact is that no team is consistently good at getting the fourth round draft pick right. As long as we keep getting value at the ones and twos we’ll be OK. If we have a draft like 1974, we’ll be a dynasty… but you can’t expect to get a lot of drafts where you pick four future hall of famers…
I don't think we are disagreeing...
If the new guys beat them out, then you have to go with them. All I am saying is that now you have started over again, particularly on the DL. I wonder how disappointed the coaching staff was in a guy like Harris. a few weeks ago some were praising the fact that we were actively getting younger at the DL positions. We had a chance to draft a Cam Thomas, or Mt. Cody, instead, we drafted a bunch of linebackers who will probably have little impact this year, and the only young guy we have on the line is Hood. I’m just disappointed. Oh well, it’s the nature of things.
Maybe I’m disappointed in the idea that the coaching staff couldn’t coach more of these guys up, and now they will have to spend another 12 months. With Lewis regressing some in the late stages of this camp, we have to look at the fact that with the exception of Hood, and Wallace, this supposedly very good draft has now been downgraded to simply OK.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are reading it wrong
Especially with Harris, from what I have read the coaching staff loved him. Its just that he couldn’t beat out Eason for the final spot. He will def be on the practice squad this year and given a chance to develop. You haven’t heard the last of Harris, I would say he is a lock for next year’s team.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
They don't love him that much...
Or else they wouldn’t be risking him on the PS.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
What i mean by that is
they think they can groom him, eason is ready to play now hense why he made the squad over harris
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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
the new guys
are showing amazing potential at the very least.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 5, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what we were saying last year.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
09 draft
If you go back over the past Steeler drafts, 4 players is about all that end up being with the team after 3 years. 2002 was the steelers best year in the last decade, when 6 players became starters or back ups and were still on the team after 3 years.
The staff made a mistake and drafted Urbik to high. His abilities didn’t quite fit what the Steelers usually require at the guard spot, and could not afford to keep him another year on the inactive game day roster, that is why he got cut.
The more I learn -The less I think I know! Just enjoy reading and sharing.
by steeler junky on Sep 5, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Only 4 guys remain from LAST years draft.
Not really good in my book.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
well it makes sense
if there is a new line coach then if those guys don’t fit his mold, they might be decent but cut because they aren’t what the coach want in a lineman
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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
strong draft class
the 2010 draft was thought to be one of the strongest draft classes with a rookie salary cap looming.
"sale the team" sweetleb
or probably this draft year was a very very deep draft with talent.
Healing from my new tattoos
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I got that part
but can Hartwig still be a good starting center for a team?
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Ah, i don't know...
…He’s a far better staring center than he is a starting center imho…
by dru_dead on Sep 5, 2010 12:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NO
Staring at the sky wondering why he’s on his backside again and another no-name RB getting 5+ yards.
He is better than some, but not good
He was better than Sean Mahan. That guy knew how to do look out blocks. He would turn around and tell Ben to look out. Of the 32 starting centers, Hartwig is probably better than 15.
by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 5, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hartwig sucks.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
there are a lot of Hartwig haters here
but there are also a lot that realize for what he was, an average starter. Which isn’t really a bad thing. He could start for several teams in the NFL and just might, we’ll see what happens.
I think we cut him for two reasons
1. $$$ savings
2. give him a chance with another team as a starter.
I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).
Im wondering...
Who is going to end up as the main 11 for special teams on kickoffs. Ok, make that 10 minus Sepulveda/Reed. Which vets stay on and which rooks get the nod? Fox is one vet that comes to mind immediately.
UP THE IRONS!!!
this is his 7th season id say so, and could probably find a starting spot on most teams
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly
"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly
by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Sep 5, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Fox should start instead of Timmons
by dru_dead on Sep 6, 2010 4:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Timmons should start instead of Farrior
by dru_dead on Sep 6, 2010 4:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Special teams
Madison, Fox, Battle, Allen, legursky, gay,hood, Lewis,Mundy, That’s all I got
Redman is the 10, seriously.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - samliam
Legurski backs him up…
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly
"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly
by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Sep 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
More importantly...
Who the hell are the two deep men gonna be??? Sanders or Brown? or both? Is ARE going to be a punt return option only?
UP THE IRONS!!!
I C Butler a viable option? I don’t recall him being used at all. It would be nice for once to have a set strong return man. I know that’s hard to do, because at this juncture you really want a guy who’s solid in other areas than just returning (hence Logan being cut). But when was the last time we had a half decent return man? Rod? lol.
UP THE IRONS!!!
by TomBradyPaste on Sep 5, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
haha. wow… pulled that right out of your ass.
UP THE IRONS!!!
by TomBradyPaste on Sep 5, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Lous Lipps sinks ships
yeah, he was fun to watch.
If you think you can do a thing, or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford
by SteelObsession on Sep 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Louis that is. Lous was pretty good too.
If you think you can do a thing, or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford
by SteelObsession on Sep 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!!!
Thats a classic right there…
by dru_dead on Sep 5, 2010 12:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sanders gets the nod if one is being activated and the other not. He seems to have great hands, and is a quick learner.
UP THE IRONS!!!
no, because Brown does return duties, Brown will likely being activated, unless you think Sanders did a better job returning
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." Jack Lambert
"Going after the QB is like playing king of the mountain. When you get the QB, you're on top of the mountain." Joe Greene."I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert. "I'm a steeler fan, you damn well better believe I'm better than you". Yours truly
"I beat rival fans like Woodley beats QBs......With a club!!!!" yours truly
by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Sep 5, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
What about leaving ARE inactive?
is he the best slot option?
either him or sanders based on battle and Brown being ST guys.
by Steely McSmash on Sep 5, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Shame about Burnett
Other than that, no real surprises. Wouldve liked to have kept Hartwig around, however I think we knew he was on the out. Glad to see we rid ourselves of Urbik
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
If I had any kind of photo editing program I would suggest #33 be the return god and post an edited pic of the Redman tobacco pouch with him on it and a slogan saying “This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me.”
UP THE IRONS!!!
+1
Predator ref
"I wore my purple camo to the practice, but they wouldn’t let me into the autograph zone. No clue why."- Mr MaLoR
by kick him in the head on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I need to change this name soon. It’s implied: Tom Brady post being detroyed = TB paste. It’s getting changed.
UP THE IRONS!!!
Doesnt look like I can change it… ahh, the things you regret that you did while intoxicated over a year ago after brutally sacking Brady in Madden. Brilliant.
UP THE IRONS!!!
by TomBradyPaste on Sep 5, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL, im with ya there necnet
Im wasted too! Laters bro, im out.
by dru_dead on Sep 5, 2010 12:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps if I say the Red Sox suck, send them Kobe jerseys, and Matt Cooke hilights of him taking Savard out they will send a hitman out after me.
UP THE IRONS!!!
by TomBradyPaste on Sep 5, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
highlight
damn typing fail.
UP THE IRONS!!!
by TomBradyPaste on Sep 5, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Mostly agree with all the cuts
Most of the guys who got the axe simply didn’t earn a place on the team this season. Wise choices by the Steeler coaches.
Agree with all
Logan – I hate having a player count against a roster spot when hes only a returner not named Josh Cribbs or Devin Hester. Sure he was better than we were used to, but he was still mediocre in terms of the NFL and returning. Expand your game
Bailey/Burnett – Fell victim to the numbers game. All our rookie LBs showed promise so Bailey gets the cut. I had high hopes for Burnett, but we had to retain Madison, and Crezdon Butlers play was just too good to ignore. Unlucky mate, good luck for the future.
Hartwig – Kinda wish there was a spot for you here. You werent that bad a C, but you werent a good fit against the 3-4s of the AFCN. Should pick u a job somewhere, so I wish him luck
Urbik – Never like cutting drafted players so early, but you just proved once again that the U of Wisconsin is much more a Unit based OL rather than having good individuals. I never liked drafting you and cant say im surprised to see you gone already
Worthington – Unlucky. We took one less DL than I was projecting, and it ended in you being the cut. Keep your head up, apply yourself on the PS. I have a feeling you will be back before too long
Without me, youre only you
don't hate logan, hate arians
i have a feeling the reason he didn’t make the team was cuz arians is too stupid to design plays to get logan the ball in an open field
and he certainly was above “average” in kick returns last year. a lot of ppl on this site liked to talk trash on him but it wasn’t his fault he didn’t kick returns for TDs last year. it was his horrible blockers. and he out performed brown in the realm of KRs in the preseason, but not PRs. i do agree it was the right decision to cut him, but let’s redirect that hate.
I dunno
Bad blocking certainly has an effect on yardage gained, but poor decision making is just as much to blame.
and brown makes better decisions by fielding punts on his own 1 yard line?
decision making had little to do with why logan was cut
you are right, was all about versatility
Brown has more than Logan.
Can’t believe how many people have all of a sudden turned on Logan, its ridiculous.
I haven't turned on Logan
I love the little guy (no homo), and I hope he lights it up for Detroit this year.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
I wasn't speaking about anyone in particular.
But there does seem to be a rather large amount of people being harsh on him.
I know you weren't singling anyone out
Just saying I’m not one of them.
I noticed that too. Before cuts came down, There were a lot of people saying Logan was gone. I would have said we keep him because he has had the year in our system to get used to it, and Brown/Sanders doesn’t.
Besides, it looks like he bulked up by 10 lbs or so this off season. I assume so he wouldn’t get batted down like a mosquito on coverage anymore.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
Agree to a point
he was great with the ball but I think not much of a route runner.
The only time I think he got the ball was on the Hypocycloid screen
All the same I would have kept him instead of Leftwich for the first 4 weeks anyway.
by Steely McSmash on Sep 5, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
i think he was built to be a “scat” back like sproles, but we don’t function like that…but it’s not logan’s fault we dont have a package like that.
it just drives me insane to here fans complain about having logan on the roster last year because he “only plays special teams.” meanwhile the same ppl want madison on the roster and enjoyed having morey when he was a steeler. and they “only play special teams.”
It's BA's fault
He should think to give him some screens and see what he could do (SPROLES)
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
somehow I dont think Arians 'designs' plays
He probably either copy/pastes from the local HS near him, or googles plays.
lol seriously
i remember the ONE & ONLY time he ran a trick play with the steelers last year. the steelers were up, had the momentum off a recent defensive stop, and our offensive was humming with no problems….and of course it resulted in an int. why would anyone ever run a risky trick play when you’re winning and have the momentum? you run trick plays when you need to take a risk to get the momentum, not on a whim.
For what its worth
Brown outperformed Logan in both kickoff returns and punt returns in the preseason, statistically at least.
Kickoff returns
Brown returned 3 for 24.7 avg, long of 26
Logan returned 6 for 21.0 avg, long of 35
Punt returns
Brown returned 7 for 11.4 avg, long of 23
Logan returned 4 for 5.3 avg, long of 15
Sanders returned 3 for 11.0 avg, long of 13
source nfl.com
Sample size is small, given.
by dru_dead on Sep 6, 2010 5:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
based upon those i still disagree about KR
but i agree with the punt returns. logan isn’t that good at punt returns.
but brown had a LONG of 26 yards. granted he only had 3 attempts. give him 3 more and possibly see his avg drop to about where logan’s was.
starting 5 yards closer isn’t gonna make or break your drive but breaking a KR for a huge one will. we know what we had with logan, he was someone who could make a play with a decent return on occasion. brown, on the other hand, never “broke” a KR during the preseason, granted it could be because he didn’t get enough opportunities.
i’m not arguing brown’s gonna be a lot worse, but he didn’t prove he was better than the starter last year in terms of KR. IMO, i think dwyer stole logan’s spot…that and arians being very uncreative/unoriginal.
What about Hood?
Where’s he been? Second year first-round pick can’t start? That’s a bad pick. Timmons eventually got to start, and now Foote’s taken back the job.
I didn’t think Logan played his way on the team, but he’s the best return man I’ve ever seen for the Steelers. That has a lot to do with up-front blocking, but also the return man making decisions early. Will the new one do as well?
Foote
hasn’t taken back anything. Hood isn’t starting because Aaron Smith is awesome, he’ll get his changes.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Smith is awesome.
But they re-signed Foote for a reason. Timmons might start, but he’s sharing a lot of reps. How did he do vs. BTSC expectations from a year ago?
They
re-signe Foote because of farrior, not timmons. farrior looked a step slow last season and that continued they would move timmons to his sport and put foote in there.
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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Hood is good,
just blocked for the time being.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Positive thinking
makes me happier with the team’s decisions Kind of hope you’re right. But now who plays the buck position with the wire in their ear? Only one defensive man can hear the coaches, and right now it’s Farrior.
timmons
would make that call
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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Serious question
Seeing as the man with the mike is the defensive QB, and taking into account that he’s often just relaying messages from D LB, do you think that Timmons will do better or worse than Farrior?
i would say
a little worse at first, timmons seems like a slow learner just my opinion. But he’ll learn and we’ll be better because he is more athletically gifted than farrior.
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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Been posting mostly negative thoughts for years
but didn’t realize I was that much of a newb. This was meant to reply to tannofsteel84 above.
nah
its all good, we had this discussion a while ago about timmons, that he is better suited for the mack position that farrior plays, but farrior was so good timmons had to go to the buck, if farrior continues to move slow timmons will take over the mack and foote will handle the buck
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by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
But that's the thing.
This whole mack/buck position thing has had me confused forever.
According to this piece, Foote played the mack position. Which is what then Timmons plays:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2008/7/21/575824/steelers-training-camp-pri
And according to this, Farrior plays the buck role. Which Bouchette thinks Foote isn’t built for:
http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports-town/steelers/9367-ed-foote-may-not-fit-farriors-role
So if Foote played the mack, and Farrior played the buck, but Timmons is more suited for the mack role than his current position taking over for Foote, I MUST be missing something. Explain?
terminology all mixed up -- let me confuse you some more...
I’ve delved into this before. You can see references on the web confusing these terms up. I’m not sure who is right. what you have above is at least consistent in itself.
Let’s just say this: There is a Strong side guy who is more run support and needs to take on OL blocks at the line. From the references above this is the mack. Pre-Timmons, Foote was the mack as the more physical guy at the point of attack. Timmons took over this role full time last year.
The weak side guy has more pass coverage responsibilities. This (buck) has been Farrior.
Timmons’s skill set was historically more similar to Farrior’s as far as having the athleticism to excel in coverage. He struggled at the point of attack in years past but I think he’s gotten much better.
I think the current situation is that Farrior and Timmons who both start are more weakside guys and Fox and Foote are more strong side guys. IF Farrior fades, it would be reasonable to assume that Timmons would slide to the weakside and install Fox/Foote at strongside.
by Steely McSmash on Sep 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
To confuse the situation a little more
I’ve been rewatching clips on NFL.com from two/three years ago, and Farrior is usually the one on the strong side, not Foote. A few times when the TE lined up on the left side of the OL instead of the more typical right side, Farrior also moved to that side (look for it in a Cardinals clip when Leinart is QB).
Depending on where you look online, 3-4 ILBs are either Mike and Will with Mike on the strong side, or Buck and Mack with Buck on the strong side. In Dom Capers system, which is clearly described here Buck is the banger that takes on blockers and Mack is the playmaker.
Regardless of what I read, I have to believe what I see and in pretty much all of the games I’ve watched and clips I’ve seen, Farrior is on the strong side and yet he’s also the playmaker. So I think Dick LeBeau’s system differs from Dom Capers’ in that LeBeau’s playmaking ILB actually lines up on the strong side and his banging block absorber is on the weak side.
Articles talking about Foote being the Mack are not inaccurate if you take the literal alignment terminology of Capers’ system – one article I read talked about Foote becoming the “new playmaker” because he first stepped into that weakside spot that Kendrell Bell used to occupy. When LeBeau came back in 2004, the same year that Foote became a steady starter I believe, I think he realized that Farrior was the better playmaker and better at calling alignments than Foote and swapped their responsibilities without swapping where they line up on the field.
Given the terminology confusions, I think the safest route is just to define them by their play styles and agree that Farrior and Timmons excel most in a playmaking capacity, while Foote and Fox are fine bangers.
by barnerburner on Sep 5, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice work
+1
explains a lot of the confusion.
by Steely McSmash on Sep 5, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Goddamn
apologize again for the thread violations.
than
well I must have had them mixed up, I always thought Farrior played mack.
Steelers football is supposed to be 60 mins, recently it's been 45. The additional 15 are currently under construction.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 5, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
No, you're not wrong
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/5/3/1456008/evaluating-the-pittsburgh-steelers
More people talking about how Timmons is better suited for the ‘mack’ position. Except, he already is?
(best part is the all-pro guarantee on Timmons)
Just look at it as timmons is better suited to farriors position. Don’t worry about which is called mack vs buck
This
One ILB primarily takes on blockers, the other is a playmaker. Buck/mack are just distinctions referring to who’s usually on the same side as the TE
timmons has more speed but not as much strength as foote or farrior. farrior is the mack which is the coverage linebacker. timons would be that but has to play the buck- the big-hitting run-stopper which he truly isnt. foote also plays the buck but timmons is much better than foote now so timmons will be starrting. when foote comes in i am not sure if he is jsut gonna play the mack even tho its not his real position to give farrior a break, or if timmons slides over and he plays his tru pos.
"But that's nothing new. We're going to be a running team whether it's Ben or Tommy or Charlie at quarterback. And we'll still throw the football, too." - Jerome Bettis
Regardless
I am sooooo excited now that I know who the 2010 Steeler team is. I think, despite our quarterback situation, we have the potential to go for The Seventh. I think we have more than our rivals have. Baltimore has to deal with Flacco still, he is no more than a Rivers or a McNab. Cleveland remains in the Oakland league, and regardless of how the Bungles do, they will implode half way through the season. It is ours to take. Outside of our division, our three issues are the suspension, our questionable right guard issue, and the fact that Bruce Arians sucks as an offensive coordinator.
It would be nice if we could flourish offensively. We certainly have the talent.
In related news
Tyrone Carter, Willie Parker and Carey Davis get cut by the Redskins…
by BlackandGoldSSgt on Sep 5, 2010 5:10 AM EDT reply actions
harwig
didnt see that coming i wonder why they cut him ?
They are not going to pay 2 something million
to a backup center, who is probably not going to be happy being a backup center…
by BlackandGoldSSgt on Sep 5, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Did they cut Harwig?
I never saw it.
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" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me begin by saying:
Isaac Redman
I am OK with the Hartwig cut/release because Legursky provides better flexibility. Many said that Hartwig could play guard. Well, he hasn’t done that in quite a long time. Legursky can (and has) adequately fill in at G, C and HB. Cutting Hartwig allowed the Steelers to hang on to a guy like;
Stevenson Sylvester. This kid can play. This kid is deceivingly strong and is EVERYWHERE on ST, too. I actually thought that;
Anthony Madison would be expendable because of Sly’s play on ST, but it does make sense to keep Madison because he not only played better at CB during the preseason but he is obviously the better ST player than:
Joe Burnett. He disappeared. Tough to see a 2nd year guy cut but, with Madison and the emergence of;
Crezdon Butler, Burnett was clearly the odd man out. Butler is seemingly everywhere, too. Did anyone see the hit he inflicted against Carolina? I’d have to go back and look to see when and to whom the hit happened, but, if you saw it, you know the one I’m talking about.
In any event, the only departed that made me a bit bummed was Sunny Harris. I was mildly surprised that Eason beat him out. To me, though, Eason is a quality back up. He is a beast of a man and when inspired, he can do his job capably. Sadly though, several accounts I read on the interwebs said Sunny didn’t come in as inspired this year as last so, the clear choice was to go with experience. D. Worthington hopefully hits the PS and can continue to be groomed. Although, I may have cut;
Byron Leftwich to keep one of the aforementioned DLmen protected from waivers. His value now (if there ever was any) is completely gone and he will not be needed this year. Glad to see Batch survive. I would have hated to see him go out that way. Hope Lefty is released when Ben gets back and Batch can finish the year and announce his retirement rather than be forced out.
In conlcusion;
Isaac Redman
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
I questioned keeping Lefty on the 53
…but yesterday one of the other posters pointed out that he wants to remain a Steeler in a back-up roll. He wants to retire a Steeler. He no longer has starting QB aspirations. So, I think Batch gets cut when Ben returns and the Lefty vs DD saga continues.
The time is obviously fast approaching where DD will want a shot at starting QB. He is too good to be a #3 QB and will most likely not relish a Kordell Stewart slash-type roll with the Steelers. I don’t think he will get a new contract from the Steelers.
Lefty's Injury
I wonder if his injury isn’t as serious as we think it is.
I mean, if it were a season-ending injury then they almost certainly would have cut him. And why have they only ruled him out of week 1?
I’m just speculating … but I am curious
grain of salt
Right on...
with your take on how Charlie should go out. And of course Issac Redman as well.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
I like Charlie but Dixon must start
He’s not a rookie anymore. We need to know what this guy can do. The interceptions in Denver are made by Big Ben on occasion too. Dixon had a good game against the Ravens although if the Ravens had played zone instead of man to man all game it may have been different. The Ravens went zone in overtime on the INT that confused Dixon. He needs to play.
Find a replacement for Essex on the wire
Essex and Hartwig both need to go. I find it hard to believe there is no one on waiver that we can pick up.
5 teams tried to claim Urbik
You will not see a replacement for Essex make it to the Steelers place on the waiver list.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Isaac Redman
I hope they keep Isaac he seems to be a perfect fit.His skills and running style is something the steelers needed after Bettis retired.
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