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Urbik: One of Colbert's Biggest Draft Busts Ever?

Yesterday, the Steelers cut guard Kraig Urbik and he was picked up off of waivers by the Bills (#9 in waiver order). Only a year ago, Urbik was the 79th overall draft (3rd round) pick in the 2009 NFL draft. Some might argue he was someone the Steelers would have liked to keep and was only a victim of a deep roster. Others can say he just wasn't cutting it and deserved to go. Regardless, he now joins a list of players most Steelers fans will cringe when they hear mentioned, along with the likes of Bruce Davis and Alonzo Jackson.

During Kevin Colbert's tenure as GM since 2000, Kraig Urbik is the highest draft pick cut 1 year after he was drafted. Remember how big of a bust we thought Bruce Davis was? Well, Urbik was drafted 9 spots higher. Here's a list of some of Colbert's biggest draft busts:

Note: I only included players that were cut soon after they were drafted & were drafted before the 5th round. "Soon" was based upon what round they were drafted in. I did not include players that were "busts," but the steelers kept around for a while hoping the player would become a contributor. I think there is a difference between "we don't think you're good enough or have enough potential to get a roster spot" and "you aren't any good right now, but we'll keep you around for another year because we think you have potential."

Biggest Cuts drafted earlier that year:
Danny Farmer- 2000, 4th Rd (103 overall)
Fred Gibson- 2005, 4th rd (131 overall)
Ryan McBean- 2007, 4th rd (132 overall)
Orien Harris- 2006, 4th rd (133 overall)

Biggest Cuts drafted 1 year earlier:
Kraig Urbik- 2009, 3rd rd (79 overall)
Bruce Davis- 2008, 3rd rd (88 overall)

Biggest Cuts drafted 2 years earlier:
Alonzo Jackson- 2003, 2nd rd (59 overall)
Willie Reid- 2006, 3rd rd (95 overall)
Mathias Nkwenti- 2001, 4th rd (111 overall) [side note: he made initial cuts, but was cut during the season]

Urbik is certainly right up there as one of Colbert's biggest disappointments. Overall though, Colbert hasn't had any HUGE mis-drafts and things could certainly be worse. Like how the Broncos just traded a player they drafted early 2nd round in 2009 for a backup TE...and traded a 1st rd 2010 draft pick to get the 2nd rd 2009 pick they used on the player.

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legursky was an UDFA that came into the league the year before urbik was drafted. kinda sad when an UDFA in the league for 2 years can out play a person you thought was one of the top 80 players coming out of college a year earlier.

granted, i think they were trying to sneak urbik on the PS but that speaks a lot if you’re willing to risk losing that player after putting a nice investment in him. he was a bad draft pick or they really gambled & lost with trying to sneak him on the PS.

and other than the 4th round picks listed above that were cut same year they were drafted (most of which were only a few spots away from 5th rd picks), there weren’t even any FOURTH round picks cut within year after they were drafted in the past 10 years (excluding this current draft class because it hasn’t been a year since they were drafted).

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urbik is not a bust - just a stupid roster move

He is much better than Davis, Farmer, Gibson and Jackson. Those did not even make an impact with anybody. You can’t keep everybody. Some of the ones you listed made other rosters and played, not stars, but played.

I think that Urbik will have a solid career as long as he gets some coaching. Wish he was on the roster instead of Essex. Neither are going to Canton any time soon, unless they pay the admission fee.

by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 6, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Essex may not be good at what he does, but he knows the job. Urbik and Foster are worse than Essex right now.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

hey Skippy, what did you think of the Team up North’s game this last weekend?

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 6, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean my Wolverines? Rod’s offense is designed around a QB like Robinson, so it should actually do something this year. The defense looks like it’s coming along too. I don’t think we’re “back,” but I think we’ll hit a bowl game and win7-8 games, depending on the Bowl Game we get. That should help recruiting.

Mostly it means Rod should be staying on as the coach. I’m glad for that, as so far he’s at least the 2nd best (behind Meyer) or possibly the best spread offense coach in the league. His defense is built to stop the spread as well, so the buckeyes will have to watch for us soon. Not this year though, the Buckeyes are absolutely stacked this year.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry he will leave in three years

if someone pays him enough too

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 6, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone is still angry and hurt

by worldtrip on Sep 6, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he had left after the bowl game I would have been ok with it

but he didn’t. He left right after we lost to Pitt, in a game where his play calling was suspect, and did so after he said repeatly that he wasn’t talking to Michigan, he wasn’t headed there and denied any rumour that he was leaving. To top it off we are being targeted by the NCAA because of things he did while at WVU, that is why we are still mad at thim.

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s one way he’ll be gone at Michigan. He gets us in any more trouble he’s gone for sure. He got caught at both schools pretty much at the same time, so apparently he thought it wasn’t a big deal/he wouldn’t ever get caught. It better not happen again.

I can’t say I’m mad at him for the sanctions at WVU, and they won’t hurt us in Ann Arbor so I don’t really care about those ones either.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t rule it out, but there’s a big difference between leaving a team that is trying to not become a major program for the winningest program in college Football history, and leaving said program for more money.

I have a feeling I’m opening a can of worms here, but I’ve never liked WVU and even if it hadn’t been Michigan I would have supported Rod when the stories came out about that program.

Of course I think the whole “he lied to those poor kids” argument is retarded. They are old enough to know better, and if they aren’t then it’s high time they learn the way the world works. We don’t get up in arms when Doctoral advisers leave for a different job and screw over their students who went there to work with them and now have a new adviser for their thesis, we just cry when our coach or a coach we don’t like does it to a bunch of 18-20 year old men.

Then again we yell and scream when players want more money, or Owners move teams. . . sometimes I think children understand the realities of life better than adults.

Sorry about going off on a tangent there, well not really sorry, just don’t yell at me.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but essex has been bad for years

and has little change of improving, urbik at least had a chance of improving.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Sep 6, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It became a tough choice

I feel the Steelers thought Pouncey would challenge for the RG spot, but once they decided he was ready to fight for the the C spot his rookie year, they were stuck. Foster was not given the reps and is the only back up for an injury prone Kemo. Once Harwig was not chosen starter he was done, it didn’t look like he even tried to play in the last 2 preseason games. That left Legs ( our only back up center), Essex, and Urbik. If the Steelers played a rookie center and a 1st year starting RG that couldn’t dress a a year ago, I would think they called this a re-building year.

The Steelers are only one year removed from the Super Bowl. Who would you cut to keep Urbik?

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 6, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lefty

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by SteelObsession on Sep 6, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 year removed with a bad OL

Starks is below average, gets beat by speed
Kemo has good games and bad ones, average
Hartwig was below average, lost his job to a rookie
ESSEX SUCKED , one of the worst starting RG in Black and Gold history
Colon became good, IR

So are you saying we should not have made any changes to one of the worst OL in modern Steeler history? We should have kept coach Z? One of the worst OL coaches in team history.

I would have cut Lord Byron, or Battle, 6 WR or just cut Essex.

by Steeler Nation VA on Sep 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starks doesn’t get beat, he just holds them. Apart from Essex, whose redeeming quality is he doesn’t suck at pass blocking as much as the other guys (not Pouncey) our line is a brute strength mauling line with poor footwork.

Pouncey upgrades the interior pass protection a good bit and run blocking a lot over Hartwig. We really need to pound the ball this year. Too bad we kept Arians for Ben, if only Georgia could have happened before that decision was made, I doubt they would have listened then.

Big Ben’s offseason was one blow after another to the Steelers. Arians for the whole year, Ben, not so much. If only we had an OC who would get a real FB and send Mendy and Redman at the opponents with some power, then let Wallace make them stay honest, man, our offense would be really solid.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is assuming they felt that Urbik offered any long term potential.

If he is once again inactive all year, and they don’t view him as a potential starter in the future… then there is not much upside there, and little reason to keep him, don’t you think?

The point is, this is the first year in many the Steelers devoted a first, or second round pick to an O-lineman. If the O-line sucks, look at the FO. They have been filling gaps with mediocre talent for too many years. You are what you draft.

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" In America" Charlie Daniels Band

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 6, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without Essex, it means 3 new guys on the OL this year

That has to be a factor in wanting to keep him at RG. Heard he has been dedicated to improving and made some strides. His ability to play T also helps. Lets hope Kugler can get the most out of him.

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by SteelerMessican on Sep 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urbik isn’t better than the worst starting RG in the league, I don’t think he’ll ever be a starter.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing to remember about Essex

is that he’s a swing G/T backup that has been bounced from position to position his entire career. He struggled last year, and granted, hasn’t looked all that great in preseason this year either, but I don’t know that it’s fair to say he can’t improve this year.

Last year was his first time playing RG for a significant chunk of time. It makes sense he struggled last year. I think he has more room to grow at RG than Hartwig did at C (which is one of the reasons I’m glad Pouncey is playing C now) because this is the first time in his career he’s starting at the same position he played last year.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Sep 6, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree Totally

I’m tired of watching him get pushed into the backfield 2 or 3 yards on running plays and getting beat with simple swim moves in pass blocking situations. He looks totally lost and confused.

Please start Ramon Foster… That’s why we can’t start Left or Batch… Essex is sure to allow his rusher a free lane

by 72Steeler on Sep 7, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would say risky not stupid

I believe the Steelers hoped he would pass waivers, and he would make it to the PS. Essex was going to make this team not matter what. He can play G or T ( badly in both in my opinion, but still) Urbik lost his spot because of special teams. The Steelers kept 6 WRs, 6 CBs, and 9 LBs. All of that was to improve one of the worst special teams in the league and to bring back up youth. At the cost of one developing G, it seems worth while

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilarious & True

Neither are going to Canton any time soon, unless they pay the admission fee.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

urbik might have been better, but he wasn't good enough

urbik has yet to make an impact either. he was outperformed by 2 UDFA’s (legursky and foster) the past 2 years. some of those ppl that you mention that played for other teams include ppl you say urbik is a lot better than (jackson and farmer).

even if you do think he could still turn out to be good, then it was a bad decision to cut him. either way a poor decision was made by the team with urbik. drafting a player with a high draft pick is an investment. not saying we should fire everyone on the team, just that a bad decision was made somewhere.

urbik is the HIGHEST drafted player in the past TEN YEARS to be cut a year after he was drafted. other than danny farmer and bruce davis, the next closest was drafted over 50 picks later.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he still wasn't better than them

urbik couldn’t beat out essex (who everyone seems to agree is horrible). urbik couldn’t beat out legursky at G last year, and legursky was a UDFA and had spent the previous season on the PS. the past 2 offseasons, he couldn’t beat out foster (a UDFA the same year urbik was drafted). and urbik played some C this year at training camp, and couldn’t beat out legursky there either.

so urbik couldn’t beat out a career backup at G with 2 attempts. he couldn’t beat out an UDFA at center with a try. and he couldn’t beat out another UDFA at guard with 2 offseason attempts. the guy couldn’t even prove he brought more to the team than hills, a 4th rd who did nothing the previous 2 offseasons.
so instead of saying there wasn’t room for him on the team, maybe the problem was he didn’t make the room by being better than the 11th OLman on a mediocre OL at the end of preseason (i’m counting hartwig).

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I always thought that Urbiks status was more becuase of UW’s reputation for producing good offensive lines, rather than individual players. Urbik was too soft for Steeler football, he didnt increase his strength to an NFL level to continue being a “mauler” in the run game, and couldnt grasp the footwork of pass blocking.

Like you say, if you cant beat out a couple UDFA’s…you arent worth keeping around

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strength wasn’t a problem, Urbik had NFL strength in college, he didn’t learn technique, so that strength was wasted in the NFL. He got away with just manhandling weaker guys in college, but the NFL everyone is strong, you need technique or you get crushed.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the video I saw was in Combine/Scouting drills, he was matched up against B.J Raji, who absolutely manhandled him and bowled him (Urbik) over a couple times in full speed one on ones.

Tha was when I decided I didnt want us drafting him, could only think of Ngata or other guys tossing him backwards.

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I remember D Johnson doing phenomenally better than him in early blocking drills his rookie year.

Can’t believe a guy made it that far without actually learning how to block.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus - 1

  Urbik had a hard time adjusting in space , but was really strong at the point of attach.If he would have been coached by Kugler in his first year he more than likely would have made the active roster this season.
 As it was he just lost out in the numbers game. A lot of the young guys the Steelers kept will be on the inactive game day roster and they just couldn’t afford to keep Urbik on there too.

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by steeler junky on Sep 7, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it depends on what you call a bust

if Urbik goes and becomes a starter for the Bills then I don’t consider him a bust. True, he didn’t help the Steelers any but thats not how I view busts. A bad draft pick sure but not a bust…..
And I have a feeling some team will find him useful.

by shleeve on Sep 6, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

true

maybe i should have used a different word to describe the draft pick

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Sweed doesn't count, eh?

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by Steel Spike on Sep 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Good one Fever

I completely dropped the ball on that one. Forgot all about Sweed.

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 6, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Point

HUGE bust that cost us a HUGE game.

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by 5020 on Sep 6, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweed's still on the roster

he hasn’t done anything for the team in the past 2 years, but the steelers still liked him enough to keep him around last year. and looking at it from the glass half full point of view, who knows if he woulda contributed if he didnt tear his tendon in the offseason.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Limas isn't going to see the field again until his 4th year

He has mental problems, so I would much rather get a replacement draft pick for him, because I don’t think he will ever be a viable receiver option for the Steelers. Or for any team, for that matter.

He’s actually on IR, so not on the roster. I know, semantics, but still. :)

"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
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by Steel Spike on Sep 6, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

still, it’s not like he was cut the same way frazier was after he was on the IR. i guess you can make the point that since he was put on the IR on the offseason, other teams had a chance to sign him to their 53 man rosters and passed.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he wasn't cut (yet)

He was put on IR last year for…? Official statement was “Non-football Related”.

Personally, I don’t think he likes it here.

Teams cannot sign players off Injured Reserve.

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

a player put on IR during the season isn’t touchable at anytime.

when a player is put on IR during the offseason, he goes through waivers (just like us signing a player to the PS) and other teams can sign him. if they sign him, he has to stay on their active roster until training camp. he can then go on the PUP and then to the IR. once he’s on IR he’s untouchable.
so a team could have signed injured limas sweed immediately after the steelers tried to move him to the IR this offseason

by t1mmy10 on Sep 7, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh...Learn something new everyday.

/not sarcasm\

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweed isn’t expensive, and if he can ever get his head sorted out, he’d be a fine compliment to our young guys.

Ward is our tallest receiver of any real worth. Think about that, even if Sweed can develop Nate Washington caliber hands he’s a good player to add to the mix, he’s fast and can get open.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded

I’m still pulling for Sweed, despite his mistakes on the field for us and the current injury situation. When I think about it, I imagine this is analogous to being a Browns fan

by barnerburner on Sep 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only smellier, because you are in Cleveland.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact he is on IR and not costing us anything

Is probably the reason he is staying. I was on the wagon for a loooong time, but after this injur, I think this kids bad luck combined with butter hands has played his run. Look for him to be cut end of next preseason

I would like to be very very wrong

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The chance Sweed becomes viable is low. The chance that he turns it on and becomes a star is drastically low. My hope for him is he doesn’t lose his speed and learns to catch at a rate that makes him at least somewhat of a threat to catch a bomb when he’s wide open, if he can catch those he’s a great 4th receiver.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might have been fast before the Achilles tear

There’s people here (exactly whom, I can’t remember) that don’t think Stinky will be able to bounce back after his injury. If Sweed does come back, he will be a shadow of his former self, which will mean that he wouldn’t even be able to make the Seahawks 53.

"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I

by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Limas isn't going to be with the team next year.

Unless Brown and Sanders tank, he’s gone. I’m sure he’ll get picked up by some unfortunate team who will pay him to drop a few passes and spend a year or two on IR.

Biggest bust we’ve had in a while, and I don’t think there is another who is close. Too bad, I had high hopes for him.

by lkwdsteel on Sep 6, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Ward retires

Not that I’m hoping he does…unless, of course, him retiring means we won a seventh ring…

If our starting WR corps were Wallace, Sanders and Brown next year, Sweed would have more NFL experience than any of them. Scary thought. We’ll probably keep Randel El and Battle around, though.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Sep 6, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is too bad

Wasn’t he a 2nd rounder? Such a waste of a high round draft pick.

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Limas is still worth a flyer on next year.

Unlike a guy like Urbik ( who has little upside), you can see the ability with Sweed. He could be a difference maker if he can get over the mental block. That is worth holding on to him one more year for, IMO.

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 6, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worth it at all

As I said to Phanta, his Achilles is torn. Stinky is debatable as to whether he can come back and play after his injury. All Limas has going for him is speed and height, and now he doesn’t/won’t have the speed.

We already have a 6’7" slow-ish guy on the roster, and he’s a TE, BA’s favorite.

"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I

by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know what he will be like when he comes back.

The Steelers will know pretty quickly if the guy has any potential yet to offer them, at that point they will decide to look see, or not.

" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"

" In America" Charlie Daniels Band

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 7, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truth.

Fact remains, he isn’t costing a roster spot, and has a 15-20% chance of coming back at full speed.

This conversation is sillier than Camelot.

"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I

by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urbik is Arians' pick

He was on a short list of three players that Arians was asked to produce before the 2009 draft. Before you crucify him for this, know that Mike Wallace was also on that list. The third name was never mentioned in the article I read about this. Unfortunately I don’t remember where I read this, but it was a credible source (either the PG or the Trib if I remember correctly).

And yes, Sweed should be on that list in my opinion.

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by Steelfrog on Sep 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Sweed is still on the team.

IR, yes, but they haven’t completely given up on him yet.

" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"

" In America" Charlie Daniels Band

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 6, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh I'd say it's par for the course

our drafting after the 2nd round, and really you could probably say after the 2nd, the last 5-6 years has left something to be desired.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Sep 6, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Too many wasted picks

we need to have more production out of those high of picks. Agree with Steelfrog. Sweed definitely belongs in that group and for me, is Colbert’s biggest bust. We will not see Sweed in a Steeler uniform again IMO

by qwikdoc on Sep 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah we will

Next preseason. Itll be the last chance he has. He hasnt been cut, hes on IR. Any followers he did still have though (me included) I am pretty sure he has lost the last of them (me included)

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not me.

I’m giving him one more chance next year.

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 6, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Emperor Chaz Noll once famously pointed out that drafting is an art, not a science...

….and every player personnel guy has his share of mistakes. And thank goodness they do. Everyone team picks some losers and misses some gems.

If they didn’t, the Steelers wouldn’t have been able to pick up UDFA’s like Deebo, Fast Willie, Donnie Shell, and the Sainted Redman.

As long as your player personnel guy has solid success in rounds one and two, and finds some gems in the late rounds and among the UDFA’s, you’re gonna be okay. That’s Colbert.

Picking winners in rounds 3 and 4 is like sinking 12 to 15 foot putts – it looks doable, but even the best among us are gonna miss some.

And Sweed was Colbert’s biggest bust, not Urbik.

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by Homer J. on Sep 6, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

once again, i'm not saying colbert is doing a bad job

i’m just saying urbik was a mistake. and not that he was the biggest mistake, but he’s up there on the list and is above bruce davis. sweed (although unlikely) could still potentially contribute and that’s part of the reason why i didn’t list him. alonzo jackson is a biggest bust right now.

some ppl argue urbik was a better football player than bruce davis, but my point is we used a higher draft pick on urbik than davis and neither will ever contribute to this team with any on the field play and we got nothing in return for them leaving.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reason I would disagree about the Sweed and Urbik comparisons.

Urbik was drafted in the 3rd round, and frankly the guy looks like UDFA talent from day one. That pick was a complete whiff, zero upside with Urbik. You can at least see the talent with Sweed.

Furthermore, who’s to say Sweed wasn’t properly coached up. We can see the second round talent with Sweed… can you say the same with Urbik? Does he look like 3rd round talent, or a stiff?

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good. Thanks

However I would place Hood in “jury is still out” , although I think he may back up your assessment this year.

Colon was horrible his first two years and only became a reliable lineman the past two. I would have liked to see Urbik get a chance. His size alone is intriguing

by qwikdoc on Sep 6, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I thought about that with Hood

Im just high on him, and I think he has the tools to be a Keisel type DE for us in terms of production for a long time

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he's better than Keisel.

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 6, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Ziggy get a couple of starts

over The Diesel last year after A. Smith got hurt?

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with Urbik waiting is you don’t get faster over time, and if you haven’t learned footwork in two years you aren’t going to.

Hills was drafted for his athletic ability and really good mobility. His weakness was his strength, that’s something you can improve in your early to mid 20’s, and Hills has.

Urbik was drafted for size and temperament, and he should have been our RG right off or last year. He doesn’t use his strength well at all, and his temperament doesn’t seem to be anything that helps him. The man has nothing going for him, and little room to grow. He could become a decent G if he learns footwork, but the chance of that is low.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 6, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

you’ve obviously had better access to his development than I have.

by qwikdoc on Sep 7, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing about McBean

He’s starting for the Broncos now

by barnerburner on Sep 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I remember being shocked when I saw that. Its not like hes making us regret that pick, he hasnt been that good for the Broncos. Just funny how a guy who couldnt make our active 53 as a backup becomes a starter on another team

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how the Broncos roll

They recycled Cleveland D-line busts for how many years?

by barnerburner on Sep 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the point of my post wasn't to say colbert is bad

i’ve done a pretty extensive job looking up colbert’s drafting history before (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/4/28/1446084/colberts-drafting-success) and i think he does pretty well, although could sometimes do better.

the point was to highlight some of colbert’s worse draft selections. everyone seemed to make a big deal about davis being cut and being a bust last year…but urbik was a higher pick and was cut after the same period of time yet no one seemed to bat an eye. i wanted to point out that it was kinda a big deal.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasnt

If anything I was trying to back up your points in the past that you take the good with the bad with Colbert. I was more responding to those in the comments rather than making an argument to your post

If anything, Davis was still a bigger disappointment to me, because I was never high on Urbik. I expected great things out of Davis which never happened. The guy had all the athleticism in the world, but broke down when his speed rush wouldnt work, and he never seemed to adjust

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad

and i definitely understand why you feel davis is a bigger bust. i guess i’m just counting a miss a miss, regardless of the expectations with them.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much are those Denver players contributing to their team?

See, to me, that’s a bad draft for Denver there. Yes 2 of them, Marshall and Dumervil might be amongst the best at their position in the league, one of them’s a very good receiving TE and Cutler has all the tools to be an NFL QB, but 3 of them have character issues that lead to them playing for other teams. For Denver, they’re all busts except Dumervil. And Character issues are a HUGE part of talent evaluation. They can have all the talent in the world, if they can’t stay out of jail or work with your coaches, they’re wasted draft picks.

Look, this is not the 70s where the Steelers had the jump on everyone else as fas as scouting goes. Everyone in the league (except Jacksonville and Al Davis) know who the best 50 players are, the 50 guys who are most likely to succeed in this league. Once you’re past those guys you’re guessing to some extent. Most of the guys in the 3rd round have question marks about them. Whether it be production, experience, lack of speed/strength/etc, low level of competition, medical red flags, character issues, the list goes on. Typically in the mid roudns the Steelers have tended to lessen some of those issues by going for productive players from bigger programmes. And not all of them pan out. Urbik didn’t. The fact that he might be the biggest bust Colbert’s come up with speaks volumes. Most other team’s biggest busts are early first rounders.

by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 6, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent research

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

we could say that Colbert knows better than to reinforce failure by not protecting Urbik. If we had protected him and let Butler or Brown or one of the LB trio go and then we lost that player we would all be screaming.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 6, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree with your point

but as i said above, it also could be argued urbik wasn’t good enough to beat our essex or 2 players with the pedigree of UDFA with similar level of experience in the nfl. doesn’t speak too highly of him.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 6, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kendall Simmons?

This guy was a high 1st round pick that, IMO, was a huge bust.

He was with us for several years and couldn’t stay off the injury list. Diabetes, frost bite, and I think he was hit in the shoulder with an arrow once too.

He did decent in ’05 but, but still never to the expectations I think everyone held.

by Blitz-burgh on Sep 6, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a high 1st rounder, 30th overall

He never put it all together and blew everyone away like Faneca, but he started like 80-some games and was serviceable while he lasted. Sure, he could’ve been better and it’s mildly disappointing, but he wasn’t really a bust and definitely not a huge bust.

by barnerburner on Sep 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was also pretty great as a rookie

but most people don’t remember that. Course that was before his Type 2 Diabetes diagnosis and a major knee injury. More a bad luck story than a bust.

by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 6, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Analysis

He was with us for several years and couldn’t stay off the injury list. Diabetes, frost bite, and I think he was hit in the shoulder with an arrow once too.

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by 5020 on Sep 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urbik

I thought Urbik would make the team, but at least we still have Ramon Foster. I feel better at guard than tackle in terms of backups.

Sweed maybe could have made the team next year if Sanders and Brown wouldn’t have looked so damn good this year. Unless someone retires or Sweed really brings his “A” game and beats out somebody, he’s gone.

However, that being said, don’t knock Colbert’s late round picks. Nobody gets them all right. I’d rather be right when it counts, because missing on a 1st rounder can really set you back. Look at the Browns, they’ve missed more than they have hit recently, and the draft has not helped them build a team.

Sure Denver had a good draft year in 2006, but only 1 of those guys is still in Denver, and he’s injured. Not only do you gotta draft them, you have to keep them on the field.

Just about every 1st rounder we’ve picked since 1998 have been a home run, with a few exceptions.

Home runs: Faneca, Burress, Hampton, Polamalu, Roethlisberger, Miller, Holmes

We cannot dispute these guys were solid home runs. Sure, Burress took the money train out of town when his contract expired and Ben and Santonio had their problems off the field, but these guys got us where we need to be. Yeah, in the end, you could argue we only got a 5th rounder in return, or we got McFadden back, or a ham sandwich, box of footballs, and kicking tee. However, he also handed us a Super Bowl with that catch in the end zone. How many WRs make that catch? Yeah, it would have been nice to keep him, but you know, as well as I do, that he was gone to the highest bidder at the end of this season.

Solid: Simmons, Timmons

Simmons could have been a no-brainer, knockout pick. However, his health is something that couldn’t have been predicted. He was good when healthy, and had a few solid seasons. Timmons just hasn’t had a Pro Bowl season expected from our 1st rounders, but is poised to have a breakout season that could mean the difference between great and really good.

Jury Still Out: Mendenhall, Hood, Pouncey

Mendenhall is an injury away from the Redman era starting in Pittsburgh. I say that in jest, but I think Spindenhall’s spinning for yards instead of fighting for them the hard way…along with his fumblitis may get him in the doghouse if he doesn’t produce.

We hear how good Hood has looked, but since he’s an end in our 3-4 system, he will never get any credit. When he starts and produces on the field, we can call it a win.

Pouncey will be a home run, but we can’t say that he is without him even playing one regular season game.

Bust: Troy Edwards (1999).

Nuff said…missed out.

Besides the Patriots, there is not one team that drafts as well as consistently as we do.

by twault on Sep 6, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Ricardo Colclough

Stuck with the team for 3 years, but far and away my biggest disappointment of relatively recent times

by barnerburner on Sep 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Urgh boy

A guy who had speed to burn just never learnt how to cover. I hear he is on the Omaha Nighthawks UFL team now?

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes sir

Along with Jeff Garcia, Ahman Green, the legendary Maurice Clarett, Steelers class of 2006 washout Marvin Philip, and a bunch of other clowns. I’m stoked and am totally watching this year

by barnerburner on Sep 6, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

maurice clarett

is not a clown. he is a champion.

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by Jon Ross on Sep 6, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not call Urbik a bust, he was claimed and is close to being a regular in the NFL.

by zscout on Sep 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t measure heart. People with speed, strength, and agility, are drafted all the time. Knowing, and learning, an NFL playbook is also another factor. How many of NFL teams number one picks, really make an impact within one year. Its hard to know who will improve or who is at the top of their game Lots of ifs, in drafting people.

by sleepingdog on Sep 6, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Urbik was so raw...

I think it will require another year to fully label him a bust. He didn’t improve enough between last season and this one for the Steelers to keep him, but if he makes a big leap in terms of technique (needs really good coaching) he could well be playing a lot/starting for an average O-Line unit (which, sadly, the Steelers line currently is).

I think the Steelers surprise a lot of people this year, but this is also the year the lack of attention paid to the O-Line in recent years bites the team in the ass. Then again, I said that in 2008, and the team ended up hoisting the Lombardi…

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by lottwasgangsta on Sep 6, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

and on the Sweed tip...

I’ve been pulling for him for years, but the Achilles injury finally de-railed me. Should he miraculously come back from it though, I want to see what he can do with one more year in the Black and Gold.

I know they don’t throw it to guys who don’t catch, but as his problems were far more mental than physical, I always thought they should have given him a few more opportunities on the field, to see if he could manage to live up to his talent.

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by lottwasgangsta on Sep 6, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Dolly Parton?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 6, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Not Parton...

Her——>

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

blocked

who is it?

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by PixburghArn on Sep 7, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know...

She has FF melons though…

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

prolly too big for my screen anyways

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by PixburghArn on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

A meaningless and totally random look...

…at available players when Urbik was picked (limited to 3-4th rounds and my own failing familiarity with guys we might have looked at or had need for): CB Lardarius Webb, CB Jerraud Powers, WR Brian Hartline, OT T.J. Lang, CB D.J. Moore, WR Louis Murphy, WR Austin Collie, FB Tony Fiametta (yeah right, a BA pick right there), etc., etc.,

Any others?

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by Flying Polamalus on Sep 7, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I've got a few...

Kevin Barnes
Ramses Barden
Patrick Turner
Corey Irvin
Tyrone McKenzie
Chase Coffman
Juaquin Iglesias

If you’re asking “Who?” you’re not alone. Those are players drafted after Urbik in the third, all of whom have done little to nothing with their respective teams.

A few more:
Robert Brewster (no game action)
Glen Coffee (retired already)
Jarron Gilbert (released)
Jason Williams (no tackles made in 5 games played)
Richard Quinn (no catches in 15 games active)
Cody Brown (no game action)
David Veikune (no tackles in 10 games played)
Pat White (released already)
Darrius Heyward Bey (little contribution)
Andre Smith (unable to move away from the table long enough to practice, let alone play)

These were players drafted before Urbik, some as high as top 15 overall.

My point is, as we all know, there is no sure fire star in a draft, just potential. To say a third round pick is a bust, implies he was a sure thing, and failed.

In my opinion, there are no “busts” after the first 5-10 guys taken, and even some of those aren’t busts if they don’t produce. Not every draft pick will pan out, plain and simple. Not every one is expected to by the team, coaches or front office. They would like them to all work out, but it’s not realistic to think they will. Urbik showed improvement from his first year to his second… which is all you can ever want from a young player. He is far from a bust.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 7, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus - !

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by steeler junky on Sep 7, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a glass is half full way of looking at it.

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 7, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, right?

For all the times I seem a little doom and gloom, in reality, I think I have a fairly cheery outlook to most things, generally speaking.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 8, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only reason I know who Louis Murphy is

because last year he turned into Cliff Branch, Chaz Schillings turned into Jerry Rice and Gradkowski turned into Ken Stabler

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 8, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hines Ward...

Geez, who gave this guy a Steelers jersey?

I mean, sure we just lost Yancey Thigpen to the Jaguars, but Hines Ward? The guy is sloooow. and wasn’t he a QB at Georgia? He may have won a starting job because we don’t have anything better, but this guy will NEVER see a pro bowl or make a name for himself.

and wasn’t he a QB at Georgia?

I’ll bet HE’s gonna be a bust!

by Blitz-burgh on Sep 7, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He smiles too much

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by PixburghArn on Sep 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's too bad we wasted a 3rd round pick on him, huh?

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

too back LeCharles Bentley wasn’t around then.

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by PixburghArn on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

#43...Worst 1st round bust EVAR!

The guy sucks. He can’t even stay healthy for a full season anymore. Cut him.

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by Steel Spike on Sep 7, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

and cut his hair!

that crap ain’t worth anything!

by shleeve on Sep 7, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right EVERYone of colbert's picks turns into a HOFer

yeah, he has more good ones than bad ones, but doesn’t mean he doesnt make bad decisions on occasion.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Name one guy who's worse then Urbik:

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by Mini Hulk on Sep 7, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

or Ryan Leaf

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 8, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want an OL guy who can step in and help right away,

don’t screw around: use your #1 pick as we did this year with Pouncey. Urbik needs time to develop and we apparently didn’t want to wait.

by Billy52 on Sep 7, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Also Bulaga is taking a bit longer than expected to catch on with the Packers. So once again Colbert looks smart picking Pouncey.

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 9, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not having enough spots...

…to stash ‘em and wait is yet another by-product of both on-field success and good drafting. Which brings me back to another dead horse beaten during draft season: knowing how many spots we had on the 53-squad and PS, why didn’t Colbert package our numerous picks into less but more value? I’m not saying this would have saved Urbik, but a little less headache at the end of camp.

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by Flying Polamalus on Sep 9, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed on a bad call

Bottom line, our O-line isnt anything to write home to mom about. It hasnt been since the SBXL. So if Urbik couldnt crack the lineup so much as a backup, then hes a huge bust IMO.

And personally I feel that he’s a bust given at his point in the draft some players have been drafted with near pro bowl caliber. Of course you always miss a few, but you’d like it to not be a complete swing and a miss like this one.

And agreed 100% with Billy 52 above.

by Mechem on Sep 7, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  


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