Pregame Zone Blitz: Steelers/Ravens III
Only the great rivalries get roman numerals added to the joining of their names to mark which round is about to begin.
Just two years removed from of one of the greatest playoff games ever, the combatants, fierce rivals, Baltimore and Pittsburgh, return to the scene of the crime to do it again, one round shy of where they were in January of 2009.
That was the second Steelers/Ravens III. The first one was in 2001, when the Steelers mopped the grass at Heinz Field with the Ravens' bloody carcasses.
So this is Steelers/Ravens III III.
Every match-up is intriguing. Each play in their last two games was hotly contested. Each time these teams strap on the pads, the sporting world stops, watches and witnesses the pinnacle of the NFL's product.
Work is secondary to the anticipation of this game. PZB is a lot more aggressive meandering through his cubicle jungle, looking to headbutt someone. Instead, that aggression is bottled up, waiting tensely for kickoff, surrounded by the Black and Gold Faithful of the Steeler Fans of Minnesota at Patrick McGovern's in St. Paul.
That's the audience PZB pictures when writing this column. What do they want to read about? The slaughter of the Browns feels so long ago, there really wasn't much to point out anymore. They just want to pass out the ammunition and brawl it out with their hated rival Ravens.
So let's get to it. Both sides have been here before, we all know what to expect. Even for a III-rd time.
Opponent Web Sites/Forums
Baltimore Sun writer Mike Preston says the Ravens "have better personnel" than the Steelers.
His opinion on Steelers CB Bryant McFadden is he "will get lit up several times on game day."
His report card on the 30-7 win over Kansas City certainly is flattering.
Bruce Raffel of Baltimore Beatdown writes about the Ravens enormous time of possession advantage over the Chiefs in the fourth quarter.
He also implies one of the games Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger did not play against Baltimore in the past was "by choice."
Last Game
Former Browns coach Eric Mangini left little doubt in GM Mike Holmgren's mind after this one. A coaching change is yet again in order in Cleveland.
The most prolific deep passing combination in Steelers history, Ben Roethlisberger to Mike Wallace, made sure of that.
On the first offensive play, Wallace caught a Roethlisberger pass after blowing past CB Joe Haden and being hopelessly trailed by SS T.J. Ward, taking it 56 yards for the touchdown.
It was the eighth touchdown from 40+ yards for the two, breaking the previous franchise high of seven, from Bubby Brister and Louis Lipps. They played together for six seasons. Roethlisberger and Wallace haven't even started together for two full seasons.
Just like their careers together, they were only just getting started. Wallace's second reception covered 41 yards, taking a quick slant down to Cleveland's 12-yard line. It was strange to see him get caught from behind, until one sees that he lost his shoe right after he caught the pass.
So he went 35 yards on Cleveland's defense with only one shoe. Had he kept it on, he and Roethlisberger would have nine touchdowns of 40 yards or more. It was that kind of season for Wallace, and for Cleveland.
Wallace finished the year with 1,257 yards on 60 catches, giving him 21 yards per catch to go along with 10 touchdowns.
Some may remember Santonio Holmes' 2009 campaign. He had 79 catches last year for 1,248 yards and six touchdowns, 15.8 yards per catch.
But Holmes has a Super Bowl MVP to his credit. Wallace can't play with any kind of individual award monkey on his back, but he looks to be the big play threat the Steelers have needed to defeat Baltimore, their AFC Divisional Round opponent, in the past.
Us Against The World
How utterly ridiculous is it that James Harrison makes a football act and gets fined $75,000, and Richard Seymour, despite whatever happened to provoke him, slugs a player on national TV in full view of the cameras and knocks him to the ground -- and gets fined $25,000. Weak. Very weak.
Peter King
Even a casual reader can glance over the Baltimore Sun this week and see a clear and premeditated effort to stir up controversy for Steelers/Ravens III.
There's Terrell Suggs' shirt (more on him in a minute). There's the contrived effort to get Ray Lewis to admit he hates Pittsburgh. James Harrison and Hines Ward were both baited into answering similar questions by the Baltimore media.
PZB is lost on how exactly this is newsworthy, but the real level of disrespect is shown by ESPN, then channeled by the Sun.
Jamison Hensely blogs about a poll ESPN ran, asking fans to vote on which defense, Baltimore or Pittsburgh, is more intimidating. The results are a tad bit shocking.
According to Hensley (the poll was taken down by the time PZB clicked on it) 52 percent of voters felt Baltimore has the more intimidating defense.
Huh? Really?
Forcing five turnovers against the Chiefs is nice and all, but forgive me for not feeling chills of fear up my spine. This is a team that has rules put in place because of the hard-hitting nature of its players.
He who laughs last laughs longest. We're still laughing from 2008. What are you going to do about it?
You broke our quarterback's nose, and he went out and shredded you in the second half of the last game you played. Your quarterback folded like a lawn chair as the game went on. Toughness can be measured in one's ability to stand up and fight when the pressure is at its highest.
Your defense isn't tough enough to rattle our QB. It'd be wise of you to think success against Matt Cassel does not equal success against Ben Roethlisberger. I shudder to think what our defense will do to you.
Opponent Spotlight: OLB Terrell Suggs
Suggs dominated the Steelers' offensive line so much in their last meeting, it looked as if Roethlisberger was wearing a Ravens No. 55 jersey. Right up to the very end, where Suggs climbed all over Roethlisberger before he was able to flip a pass out of bounds, Suggs' relentless pressure sucked the air out of the Steelers' offensive lungs.
It had to be one of the best, if not the best, individual defensive performances of the season. No other Ravens player had a particularly big night. Suggs was worth five forced punts on his own.
Various different Ravens players have had their share of the notoriety over the years; you can't flip on the internet and not see something about Ray Lewis. Haloti Ngata has reached the point where everyone talks about how underrated he is, to the point where he's overrated. Ed Reed managed to lead the league in interceptions despite only having played in 10 games. Suggs has stood out this season as their best defensive player, likely earning an All-Pro selection after an 11-sack season.
With all due respect to Steelers LT Jonathan Scott, he's not going to block Suggs on his own. The Steelers will employ an scheme utilizing a tight end - either Heath Miller or Matt Spaeth - along with a halfback or fullback to chip off Suggs, giving Scott some help. It wouldn't be surprising to see them run the ball at Suggs early in the game to see how he commits to it. A well-timed screen or delayed run that catches Suggs upfield could help slow him down.
These games are methodical, and the Steelers have oftentimes in the past chipped away at the Ravens defense, looking to set up a big play. There are plenty of bigtime playmakers on the Steelers offense, and they have excellent matchups with their receivers vs. the Ravens secondary. Getting them the ball will be tricky with a tough front seven from Baltimore, but playing right at Suggs and forcing him to either abandon his flats responsibility and rush the passer, or keep him in coverage to set up a deeper pass could work.
Steelers Spotlight: OLB James Harrison
In games like this, veteran savvy sits front row center. In Harrison's case, his experience will sit just slightly lower on his shoulder than the enormous chip he has permanently planted there.
In a typically physical game, Harrison is the most physical. The biggest, baddest bully will line up across from LT Michael Oher, who struggled considerably with another elite OLB, Kansas City's Tamba Hali, in the Wild Card round.
In an otherwise superb game for the Ravens offensive line, Oher looked both sloppy and injured, allowing Hali to rack up two sacks and five pressures. Unfortunately for the Chiefs, their lack of playoff experience shined brightly on the offensive side of the ball, because their defense played pretty well, but were overwhelmed by the end of the game.
Hali was a big part a good defensive first half, which is to say, Oher was a big part of it.
Harrison will come after Flacco land, air and sea, considering the three penalties Harrison forced Oher into in Week 13. The Ravens bring out the conservatism in defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau, as he attacks mostly from his base defense. Even when the Steelers put their nickel package on the field, they can still get pressure from Harrison, and the Ravens will throw the ball 35+ times in this game.
A comfortable Joe Flacco is a dangerous Joe Flacco, and the main reason why there have been times his discomfort was put on display was because of Oher. PZB called him out before the Week 13 game for what appeared to be a lack of conditioning late in the game. Harrison wore him down all game, and it doesn't appear that philosophy will be any different, certainly not in a game that typically comes down to the final minutes.
A relentless but well-timed pass rush from Harrison off the edge could very easily be the difference between the winner and the loser.
I See You
I see you, Troy Polamalu. Everyone sees you, it'd be impossible not to. There are stretches of games where you don't look human.
The times you do, it's because your all-out, physical style of play leads to injuries. The unfortunate price you must pay to be the dynamic, other-worldly player that you are.
I see you, though, because you can come back, after two weeks of no action, and make a ridiculous diving interception on the third play of the game. You have the ability to make plays that push our eyes out of our heads, and make us yell unintelligible statements as loud as we can, because we cannot find the words to express our amazement anymore.
We're glad to see you're getting some rest this week, and that you'll be able to play. With you out there, it's only a matter of time until you're going to do something, and everyone knows it.
You're going to finally be rewarded for that with your first Defensive Player of the Year award, which should be given to you shortly. We'd be amazed if you didn't get it. Not as amazed as the plays you make, and your ability to continue answering the bell game in and game out, though.
The bedlam you cause on the field only pales slightly in comparison to what you do to your fan base. Seahawks RB Marshawn Lynch's run last week apparently caused a small earthquake in Seattle, but your touchdown against Baltimore in the AFC Championship game sent shockwaves of its own through Heinz Field.
Key Stats
- Ravens QB Joe Flacco has never beaten the Steelers when Roethlisberger starts (0-5)
- Pittsburgh allowed 62.8 yards per game on the ground, a franchise record, in 2010
- Steelers WR Mike Wallace has 14 catches and 311 yards (22.2 yards per catch) in his last three games
- The Steelers are tied with Dallas for the most conference championship appearances in the NFL (14)
Quick-Hitters
Begging, you guys: To all league and Union officials, please do not let this be the last Steelers/Ravens game for longer than nine months. This product is too hot for you to not sell it. Don't damper this, or any of the other fantastic rivalries in this great game. Come to an agreement, sign it and let us continue to watch the NFL.
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Roethlisberger and Wallace started their 32nd game with each other in Week 17.
Not quite. It is 5 games less (4 games in 2010 due to Ben’s suspension, and 1 game last year due to concussion). Which reinforces the point – can you believe the chemistry they have after just 27 games together? And I wouldn’t say that this is just because of the Wallace’s sheer speed.
Life's a journey, not a destination.
Good Catch
The Burgh - Been there, played the game, have the gameshirt.
Once from the Confluence, always from the Confluence.
by Hollywood Steel on Jan 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm wondering where some of the sports commentariat
are saying the Steelers are ‘rusty’, especially Ben. It’s like the thorough dismantling of the Browns didn’t even happen. One of those top QBs remaining articles in particular (Adam Schein) gets it three times wrong in one passage:
Ben still holds onto the ball too long, and his rust, plus the relatively weak play of the offensive line, has been counterproductive. He hasn’t had the classic drive or eye-popping game we’ve been accustomed to in previous seasons.
The guy’s been under a rock maybe? I don’t care if it is the Browns, getting up 30 points in the first half and getting to sit down after the first series of the second half against any NFL team is pretty much eye-popping in my book.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
And the Browns (despite their losing season) didn’t let anybody put up more than 30 points on them all season.
by fighters_of_foo on Jan 14, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thorough dismantlement of the Browns is like beating up the wimpy kid with autism on the playground: it’s really nothing to be proud of.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's better than edging them twice like the Ratbirds did
And we were the only team that completely demolished Cleveland this year; they were competitive in every other game.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Competitive? The browns suck! They lost to the Bills, The jets, And they barely pulled the one against carolina out of their asses. You are bragging about blowing out the Browns, do you know how weak that sounds?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns were in every game this year except for one: Week 17
That is a fact. They weren’t a good team, but they were respectable. How is barely losing to the Jets in OT a sign of them being bad?
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Respectable? How does losing to the Bills qualify as respectable? The point you are missing is that the fact that the Jets needed overtime to beat the Browns means they aren’t any better.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
OK, they had a loss to a bad team
So did the Ravens and pretty much every team in the league besides Pitt and Atlanta. Does that mean we can lock in a Steelers-Falcons Super Bowl now, because that’s fine by me.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
You guys lost to the jets and should’ve lost to the dolphins if the refs didn’t F up that call. So technically Atlanta is the only team that didn;t lose to bad teams.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
If the Dolphins recover the ball they have it at their own 20 with 2:30 left and the Steelers in possession of three timeouts
To say that they would have won if they had been given the ball there is incredibly asinine.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Because I’m sure if you ask about any fan who is not a Ravens or Steeler’s fan about 95% of them will tell yuo, you would’ve lost that game if they recovered the ball which was clearly a fumble.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
So you think it's a slam dunk win for the Fins even though we had pretty much shut down their offense after halftime?
Interesting.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
YOu guys were trailing at that point. If they would’ve had the ball at the 20 with a 20-19 lead, all they would’ve had to do was run down the clock.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
They were leading 22-20, but there was 2:37 left and we had three timeouts plus the 2:00 warning
Their running game was quiet all day. I seriously doubt they would have gotten a first down. What no one remembers id that the Fins got the ball back after our FG with 1 timeout and plenty to time to get a FG of their own. They didn’t get a single first down. If they couldn’t get a first down when they absolutely needed one then how can you be confident they would have gotten one when they were leading and trying to run out the clock?
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
sorry same time post
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's fine
Some things need to be repeated.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
for your understanding in this trying time.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
They wouldn’t have been leading 22-20 if the Ben fumble would’ve been called
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
The Dolphins were the ones leading 22-20 when we had the ball at their 2 yard line
We took a 23-22 lead with the FG.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Either way, if the fumble would've been called the dolphins would hjust have to run down the clock and win the game
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
no one has been able to run on us
what makes you think they would have been able to run out the clock when we had three time outs to work with
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 14, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
and so the flustered feathered fan is gone
with no more bullshit to spout from his cockeyed beak. Well done WV!
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Yes, but chances are they wouldn't have been able to and the Steelers would once again have gotten in position for the GW FG
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Warrior, Don't the Ravens...
… blogs let you play with them?
Did you take your ball and come over here to play with us instead… take your ball and leave again .
The Burgh - Been there, played the game, have the gameshirt.
Once from the Confluence, always from the Confluence.
by Hollywood Steel on Jan 14, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
No one is ever on at BB. So I came here for a chance. CC is boring as hell in the off-season, and The Wizards suck. You were pretty much my last option.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
OK...
… wanna chip in and split a SIX-BURGH six pack?
The Burgh - Been there, played the game, have the gameshirt.
Once from the Confluence, always from the Confluence.
by Hollywood Steel on Jan 14, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I will just go make love yet again to our one Lombardi.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
One is More than None...
… ask any Seahawks fan.
The Burgh - Been there, played the game, have the gameshirt.
Once from the Confluence, always from the Confluence.
by Hollywood Steel on Jan 14, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
with time outs
and the 2 min warning remaining, I say Ben has a chance. Plus the Phins were unable to even get a 1st when given the ball
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
we were down
but they had the time and ability to drive the field and score if they were that good, and they didn’t. So this is just people predicting a different outcome. Just because a majority believes something doesn’t make it true.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
What about that OT strip during your game against the Bills?
I’ll admit that the call in the Dolphins game was a bit strange.
However, if you want to talk about officiating and plays that 95% of “non-aligned” fan bases would probably call out as bogus, here’s one:
Bills and Ravens tied at 34 in OT. TE Shawn Nelson’s forward progress is clearly detained and the play should be whistled dead. But 5 seconds go by as Raven defenders keep Nelson off the ground, no whistle yet, and finally, after a football eternity, Ray Lewis strips the ball and the Ravens get to keep it. Ravens win by a field goal.
If you’re going to complain against the call in Miami that went our way, I assume that you were aghast at that bad call in your OT win?
My point is not to get all belligerent with you, but just to remind you of another strange call…
this
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
95%? Really?
95% of NFL fans are dumb enough to discount Ben Roethlisberger with two minutes left and the ball at mid-field, huh?
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I just asked 100 football fans
and 95 of them said you are an idiot, the other 5 must have been related
I've got Blistahs on me Fingahs!!
"I've gotta a feelin!
Pittsburgh Steelers to the Super Bowl!"
That is also like saying that we should have beat the Jets
if the refs would have called some pass interference and holding on the Jets’ DBs
Things can always be worse....
Almost losing doesn’t count, unless the Steelers almost lose. Then it counts as double.
Logic.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
by ryebr3ad on Jan 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didnt they also beat the Patsies??
"If I had a dog that looked like you I'd shave its butt and teach it to walk backwards"--Klinger, M*A*S*H
by SaratogaSteelerFan on Jan 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
didn't the BROWNS beat the Patsies...
so much activity tonight the post got pushed WAAAAAAAAAAYYYY down….
"If I had a dog that looked like you I'd shave its butt and teach it to walk backwards"--Klinger, M*A*S*H
by SaratogaSteelerFan on Jan 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
B-more
go into overtime against the Bills? Maybe you should use a better reference than a team that yinz had trouble with
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh like you did any better? You beat them 19-16. And they would’ve beat you if Steve Johnson would’ve caught the ball in the endzone
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not the one
using them as an example of why the Browns suck
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Alright how does a 5-11 record sound to you? How much more explaining do you need. The Browns flat out suck.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
not disagreeing
but they held yinz close
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I get that, Buy you guys are bragging about blowing out a team that was 5-10 at the time.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't bragged
about anything, but if they are that big of scrubbs why didn’t yinz blow them out?
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
A TEAM THAT HAD NOT BEEN BLOWN OUT OR GIVEN UP 30 POINTS ALL SEASON!!!
Are my words making any sense?
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I have yet to see you make an actual point. You just add on to whatever LV says, or just make stupid insults.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Because when people make a point, you deliberately misunderstand (see, I’m being nice – there are other conclusions to be drawn from your inability to understand an argument).
The point here was that the steelers put a beatdown on a decent browns team … a much larger defeat than the ravens managed. It’s not a huge issue, but it’s valid. You deliberately refused to recognize that point by changing the subject or misunderstanding it. Hence the “small words” comment.
Why does it matter how big you beat them? Did you think maybe they had nothing to play for so they didn’t try as hard? And if you want to imply that I’m stupid go ahead, Because honestly I could care less what you think of me. And you guys were acting like because you beat the browns you have such a morale advantage and you don’t have rust. When it’s really not that hard to beat the browns
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
You took a throwaway comment and chose to make a major issue of it.
Then you throw in an army of “ifs” to “prove” your point that the steelers aren’t that good. On a steelers site. And then act wounded when you aren’t welcomed with open arms.
I think this type of flaming is called “wounded innocence”.
Though you also add the always amusing “Of course, I don’t really care, even though I’ve just posted about it twenty times in the last hour” trope. That’s always a good one, too.
Alright I'll just get straight to the point
F*** the Steelers!
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well,
that’s pretty direct, anyhow. No ambiguity there…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
they did beat the Saints and Patriots
and beat both of them soundly.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 14, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
5-11 buddy. They lost the games against teams they should’ve beaten
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, every team save Pitt and Atlanta has done that this year
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
You lost to the jets. And if we suck so bad like you say, there’s two “bad” teams for you.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Ravens don't suck
When have I ever said that? And the Jets are a very respectable and talented team that absolutely needed a win when they faced us.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
But the hookers in Indonesia are free. case and point.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
they beat the Patriots
the greatest team to ever play, according to the pundits
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 14, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
We were on the road, y'all were at home
And we faced the Bills when they were on a two game winning streak.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying Browns are a great team
but they beat both the Patriots and New Orleans
Things can always be worse....
Oh wow you're cool
Who lost to the jets?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Cincy was worse than the Browns
thus making your argument null and void
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah well… You’re a meany-butt. There!
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
You use the Jets as our worst loss?
Are you an idiot? Or do you think it’s a valid argument?
Thank you Ned Colletti.
by ryebr3ad on Jan 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
be awesome if somebody gets tackled into harbaughs punkass and he gets his nose broke
then after the game ben can be like “i’m glad they broke his nose”
by Hanrahanfan on Jan 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Lotta talk about beating the lowly Chiefs
How can everyone be so blind? The Ravens beat the Chiefs, not the Patriots or Steelers. The Chiefs didn’t beat anybody during the season, including 2 losses to the Raiders, who we pounded. And by the way, we just killed the Browns, and they just happened to spank those Patriots. All the chat about how good Baltimore looked last week is nonsense. The Chiefs were just a few cheap wins short of being the Seahawks! Wish I would wake up and it was 3pm Saturday already. Here We Go STEELERS!!!!
by Rob's Steel Crazy on Jan 14, 2011 8:34 AM EST reply actions
Superb
After Watching That Video of Troy Returning that pick 6, and having been there for that moment, It litterally brought tears to my eyes and sent chills down my back to what I feel is the most Exiting play I have ever witnessed in my 35 years. One that I feel will never be beat altho I hope Im wrong. The feeling that I felt at that moment and the way the UNIVERSE shook is almost indiscribable.
I am So ready
Heath Miller
Could be a huge factor in this game that no one is really talking about. We definitely missed him against the Jets…
next season,
when we have a healthy and more cohesive o-line, Heath will be able to get his catches.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 14, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Great writeup, Neal
I’m supposed to being some serious academic work this morning, and I’m having a very hard time focusing … too jacked for this game. Great writeup, really captures the intensity of this rivalry.
A lot of people post here about how much they respect the Ravens. I’m not on board with that. I despise the Ravens more than is probably healthy, and I want to beat the everloving snot out of them tomorrow at Heinz field. There is some respect for their prowess and for their model for winning – much like ours, but too much bad blood for full-blown respect. Bounties on receivers? Ray Lewis’ antics after he jumps on a pile created by a team-mate’s tackle? Joe Flacco’s affected “cool”? Ngata’s cheap shot on Ben? Sugg’s uncalled helmet horse collar? That cheap shot on Heath? Naaah, I’m not feeling any love at all. Let’s crush them.
Should be a great game. Two of the most physical, intense teams in football. I watch other teams play, and the intensity isn’t even close.
Two big keys:
1) Our offensive line/scheme v. their DL and LBs. While it has been getting better, our OLine is still a glaring weakness, and the Ravens, especially Suggs, absolutely abused our line last game. We managed to gut one out, but the OLine can’t play that badly again and hope for the same result. I hate keeping Heath in, because I think he’s such a weapon in the passing game, but we need to do something to keep Ben healthy and upright, or the Ravens will have the upper hand.
2) Flacco vs. our D. The steelers need to get more pressure on Joe than they did in the first two games. With time to throw, Flacco has demonstrated that he has the patience and the weapons to beat us short and underneath. We need to get more pressure on Joe, which calls on our secondary to step up and play tighter with less help (though for less time, hopefully). If Timmons and Harrison display the ferocity they’ve shown in the last few games, we have a good chance to keep the Ravens off-balance, possibly forcing a key turnover or bad decisions.
It’s going to be great, vicious, game. Can’t believe I have to wait more than 24 hours to see it.
I, too, should be working, ...
but that’s a useless endeavor, until I exhaust the new ‘lers-birds content that’s been churned out since yesterday.
I don’t know why, but I’m starting to feel a bit more confident. Steelers by 6, with the pull-away points coming in the middle of the 4th.
I like this guy
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
go figure
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get the point of either team’s fans projecting final scores. Both teams think they are going to win. So is there really a point to it?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Grammar FAIL
Who are the “Raven’s”?
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Be careful Dave. The grammar-nazi is on the prowl
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
A subject line is always a nice luxury. But I guess i deserve to be stuck looking at your pathetic attempt at an insult? Right?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry ma'am but your call cannot be completed as dialed.
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
oooh the rat bites the bait
-1
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Oh I’m devastated. Insulting people on the internet leaves about a deep of a cut as Butter knife
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
my thoughts exactly
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
It's like blind angry boxers
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Rock em’ sock em’ robots that are in different rings.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Word
I love that Blog fans are ultra-competitive in wanting to outdo the opposition by insult or stat or whatever. On forums like this the post is ‘forever’ hence the importance of getting in the last word. It’s a trip, gets the blood flowing and I always associate it with professional wrestling trash talk.
I am the Iron City Sheik
GO STEELERS!!!.

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
butter knife
A butter knife can cut pretty deep if you are big, strong and fast enough.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 14, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I was just gonna say
With a butter knife, I could neatly take your eye out, probably get enough force and velocity to puncture a lung, and maybe even poke it through your cheek. And as a result of these injuries, you would fall and hit your head on the curb, causing you to lapse into a coma, ultimately never to wake up.
I dunno, in the right hands, a rubber chicken could kill…;-)
rubber chicken could kill
I guess with the right audience that is true. :D
I don’t want to say I am looking forward to this game but I feel like a kid and it is Christmas Eve.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
We don't sing
We drunkenly yell our way through songs. Perhaps you have not heard the “Here We Go” song.
That’s very likely, because my understanding is that mid-January is when Baltimore sports fans turn their minds toward the Orioles’ offseason acquisitions.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Turnovers in the Chiefs Game
People keep forgetting that Flacco fumbled twice in the Chiefs game, iirc. At least they had two turnovers.
Maybe the rest of their game was fine, but we saw that just a single turnover killed them in the last game against the Steelers. Anyway, I’m glad that everyone thinks they played great. I think they were mediocre, and they beat a team that wasn’t ready for the playoffs. I hope they play like that this week.
grain of salt
Mirror Images
Everyone says that the Steelers / Ravens are similar and are mirror images of each other. With that in mind, here are three advantages that the Steelers have over the Ravens that will be enough for them to win on Saturday.
1. Roethlisberger > Flacco – there is not a more important factor than QB play and Big Ben is just better than Joe.
2. Steelers at home – home field is what you play for and being able to hear on offense is always a big advantage.
3. Steelers had a bye – both teams are a little older and that extra week off is huge.
4. Steelers receivers > Ravens receivers,
especially downfield and in traffic.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Wow do you honestly believe that? We have 3 guys capable of starting for 75% of the teams in the NFL. And you still have to look out for Stallworth who can burn you with his speed. You guys have old man Ward and Wallace. Ravens Receivers>> Steeler’s receivers.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Seen Manny Sanders and Tone v.2?
They’re gonna give your secondary fits, especially Sanders – speed, quickness and runs great routes.
Rookies don’t start for the Steelers unless they’re really that good.
My heros have always been Steelers...
But saying that they are better than the Ravens receivers at this point in their career, is just flat out wrong.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
no
it is opinion, just like your statement
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Fine then
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions

I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
As a group, the Steelers
certainly are better. There was a time when Randle El was considered our third receiver. Sanders’ development has been phenomenal; he’s #3 now, and it appears that Brown is #4. I suspect that the Grand Old Man, Mr. Ward, is taking a keen interest in their NFL education. When I see a rookie with awareness enough to cut a route and come back to help out his QB, or block on an outlet pass, I take notice.
This isn’t the Week 4 Steelers. It isn’t even the Week 12 Steelers. And I suspect your coaching staff knows this.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Yes, they have been a big reason why your ofense has been so potent this year
Oh, wait…
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I never said that, but talent wise, they are better than the Steeler’s receivers.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter how much "talent" you have if you can't get much out of it
Our passing game really started to click in the last few weeks of the season, and I am confident it will outperform that of the Ravens tomorrow.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
So a couple of your scrubs managed to catch lightning in a bottle. Big whoop. You know as well as I do the Ravens have better receivers.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
You're calling Wallace, Ward, Sanders and Brown scrubs?
Really? I guess you’ll just have to find out tomorrow.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace and ward are the only receivers do be even half worried about. Sanders and Brown are definately not better than Stallworth and TJ
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
If the Ravens are as nonchalant about Sanders and Brown as you, they will get smoked
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
They aren’t. Webb will shut down sanders, and you guys won’t even dare to use a 4wr set in this game
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Did you just say Arians wouldn't dare use a 4 WR set in this game?
I guess there’s a first time for everything.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah because he knows that Suggs will eat up Ben if he leaves the edge un-blocked.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Guarantee
you see 4 wide sets
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Guarantee
You see sacks
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
guarantee
you do also, there are always sacks between these two. It is quite possible that if the Ravens decide to dial it up on a 4 WR set they get burnt
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Or Ben gets creamed before he even “nose” whats coming.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ben has a quicker release now and our WRs are getting open faster
If you think he’s going to sit back and and wait for Suggs to get to him on every play you’ve got another thing coming.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
ha
Suggs isn’t that fast. I understand that you don’t watch the Steelers, but sanders, brown and wallace get off the line fast enough that Suggs can’t get there
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
damn it, again
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
And our Corners are just thin-air then I guess?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to cover a bunch of speedy guys running short routes
Especially with a very modest group of CBs.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Webb, WIlson, Carr can definitely manage. And with Ed Coming off an 8-pick season, I don’t see you guys stretching the field on us.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
We don't need to stretch the field, in case you hadn't noticed
And Carr is hurt.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Do you honestly think he will miss this game?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
No, but he won't be at 100?
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Either way, I think he will be ok.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
We shall see
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
That we will
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think you'll find that the Steelers
are confident in the 4 wide, because guys are getting open more quickly and Ben’s releasing faster.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Exactly.
We’ve actually done well out of the 4 and 5 WR sets this year. (And, ahem, there is hard data to back that up….nudge nudge.)
Ravens can't go 5 wide
Otherwise, Joe Flacco becomes confused not being able to dump the ball to a RB.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT?
You do know that the known way to beat a 3-4 is to spread the field and force the LB to cover. Use the quick passing game to slow down the rush. If Arians doesn’t attempt to do this on at least one drive each half he is not worthy of being an NFL coordinator. And if Webb your fastest corner is on Sanders who going to be on Wallace cause Webb was playing Wallace the last 2 games.
Actually, we did just fine from the 4 WR set last time
We used a 4 WR or 5 WR set against the Ravens 15 times during our last encounter. Ben wasn’t sacked a single time and we got 5 first downs out of it.
He did throw his interception from a 5 WR set, that’s true.
But the game winning throw to Isaac Redman also came on a 5 WR set play.
The seahawks just beat the saints in the play-offs not exactly a bad team.And TJ by anymeans is better than sanders.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
They did beat the Aints, i’ll give you that, but he still got CUT, not traded, CUT. As in we think he’s worthless we’ll just let him go.
That’s not my point. But pretty much everyone will agree with me in saying that TJ is better than Sanders.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Or a row of people that actually know what they are talking about
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
Sanders is like a new Hines Ward. Brown isn’t as polished but he has Wallace like speed. Going into the season, I think many of us didn’t think the receivers would be anywhere near as good as they are. The only improvement I could think of is a tall possession guy but we are doing well without one for now.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
again
just because more people think something does not make it so. There are more stats on Douchemanzata than Sanders, but that doesn’t prove him to be better
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
TJ is a better receiver regardless. let’s say hypothetically Sanders and TJ we on the same team, and they were both on the field during a play. Which one do you think would demand double coverage?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Let me try again. Which one do you think would have the better corner on him?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Sanders
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
at this point Douche
though I don’t think TJ has required a double in a long time
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
But at this point in both teams receiver’s careers. You cannot say the Steeler’s have the better core
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Ravens' receivers are all getting rather old(30+)
The Steelers’ receivers are all quite young with the exception of Ward.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
With youth comes inexperience. Whereas with Age comes wisdom.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
With youth also comes speed, energy, and quickness
The Steelers have enough vets to keep the rookies in line.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
true enough
but we are not blowing smoke when we say these kids are good. My concern is how well the youngsters will do in the playoffs but the few things we hear are very encouraging.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
and losing a step
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
True
but I can say I would take them over the Ravens reciever corp
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Of course you would. The power of homerism.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
a knowledge of the game?
Or is it that Flacco can’t effectively utilize a great bunch of receivers?
My heros have always been Steelers...
I give up. Internet arguments are stupid. There are no real winners in these, only loser. As much as we will try to break down the game, the only thing that matter is what will happen on the field tomorrow.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
You're comparing apples and oranges
Sanders is a rookie who was not projected to see action without injuries to the guys ahead of him. Housh is a veteran route-runner with his 3rd team. He’s already made a career out of being 2nd/3rd on the checkdown list and done it quite admirably. In the long run, I think Sanders WILL EVENTUALLY be the better receiver. I have had this same feeling about a rookie receiver once before…it was the fall of 1998 and we had this kid from Georgia named Hines. He didn’t have a great year, but he had flashes of making smart decisions and committing to the play. Cinci never had that warm and fuzzy about Housh.
If you believe everything that you read, then you're not seeing the picture let alone the whole picture.
conjecture
there isn’t enough evidence out on the rookies to say that. You can say they aren’t proven, but you can’t blatantly claim that Douche and TJ are better at this point
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t blatantly claim Sanders is better either.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 14, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say you did. I was referring to Wozzle’s comment
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you don't understand
where I’m coming from. I consider Sanders a far better receiver than Housh because he’s already a more complete player. He’s got all the receiver tools, but he’s also willing to decoy effectively (he helped create Wallace’s TD against the Browns by pulling their safety out of position), block, go over the middle underneath – all the things that make the entire offense succeed. If he keeps it up, he’ll be Hines Ward with better speed.
My heros have always been Steelers...
How is he already a more complete player? Housh can do any of the things you stated just as well if not better than sanders.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
No, he is an aging possession receiver whose best days are a ways behind him
Sanders has great potential and a bright future, as does Brown.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
RIGHT NOW. TJ is the better receiver.And how do you know they have “Great potential” or a “Bright Future”? I didn’t know you were a qualified NFL scout.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, Sanders is better for what we do
And it’s not hard to notice when a young player looks like he’s going to develop well.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
And then they end up sucking. You never know for sure what kind of career they will have based on their rookie season.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
True, but Sanders has a good support structure around him
I will be surprised if this season is a Troy Edwards-type fluke.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Rookie receivers
You know how rookie receivers are often brash and full of themselves. That isn’t Sanders. The kid reeks humility. He really looks to be a gem if he continues to keep his head on straight.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Who says you have to be qualified to do anything?
You’re an “editor,” after all.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Ah yes, personal attacks. When you have nothing educational or relevant left to say.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I said it all...
Who lost to Cincinnati?
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ignorance is bliss.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
BTW
The only reason I have that signature, is so I can direct more traffic to BB with the link.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
It worked on me!
I DEFINITELY had to see what ’Beatdown had after seeing the man in charge posting so eloquently here in our little corner of SB Nation.
(I’m just bustin’ on ya dude, I’ve been reading your site for a long time, and I’ve linked you probably 20 times over the years)
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Alright man. Sorry about that. My bad
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
You're fine
Keep talkin’! Get the yinzers all riled up! We love it!
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Housh has NEVER been known
as a guy willing to give himself up for the team. He and 85 were pretty selfish guys, and that hasn’t changed.
My heros have always been Steelers...
We're arguing over the fourth receiver?
Seriously? Have you seen Stallworth’s season numbers? TWO — 2! Dos! — two catches for 82 yards. Are you fuckin’ retarded?!
T-Housh had 30 catches for 398 yards. That level-pegs with Sanders, who came on late in the season and is still learning the offense.
Sorry, you can keep TJ and Donte. Both guys are great stories. But, our two rookies are already better than your two vets.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
TJ has clutch hands and Brown never would make a clutch catch in a late game situation.
Good call.

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"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Wallace
60 catches, 1,257 yards, 10 TDs.
You don’t have anyone who even sniffs that, and without caring enough to look, pretty sure the yards and TDs would be WR franchise records for Baltimore…assuming you aren’t ripping off the Baltimore Colts’ statistics.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ripping off their statistics? Irsay stole our team, if anything we deserve any statistic or record more than Indianapolis does. It’s a disgrace that along with our team, they were allowed to steal our history too.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I recced this.
Irsay was a slimebag, and he did exactly as you stated. I was appalled when it happened.
And then the Browns left Cleveland…
My heros have always been Steelers...
BTW.. Mason was still a beast when he came to Charm-city, and had about 3-4 good productive seasons.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Productive?
Look, I know making tight end yards per catch sounds productive, but Mason plays WR.
Right now, Flacco thinks Mason is a RB who wheeled out of the backfield over to the sideline. Some day Flacco is going to realize Mason is wearing 85 and not 35. Once Flacco knows he’s not a RB, Mason won’t get any looks.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they are good
but they haven’t perfected themselves with the Ravens. It’s like nobody is the go-to receiver, except maybe Mason. I’d take him over Douschemanzeda or Boldin or Stallworth. They’re nice pieces, but pretty much window dressing. Neither has distinguished himself as a world-beater. Our rookies are playing their roles. They’re not a collection of almost all-stars trying to fit in.
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by SaratogaSteelerFan on Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
T Housh was a starter for the Seagulls
And despite having a roster of castaways and rejects and a player with a peg leg, the Seagulls decided to go another direction than T Housh.
I’m pretty sure T Housh’s job in Seattle is currently being played by a tire tied to a rope.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Just a little BTW
Don’t take anything you read on the Baltimore Sun too seriously. They have about as much credibility as a monkey/The writers at the Bleacher Report
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Don’t take anything you read on the Baltimore Sun too seriously. They have about as much credibility as a monkey/The writers at the Bleacher Report Baltimore Beatdown.
Fixed that for ya.
Ok. Thats real nice
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wow, that’s a stinger. That’s a cut that’s not going to heal. You sure showed me.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I actually like the Baltimore Sun
Seems like they do a pretty good job…what’s wrong with them? Not homer enough for you?
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
The writers for the ravens section are a little too smarmy for my tastes.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ka-ching!
Nice comeback Neal.
But it is also true that like the Browns, Cincinnati was in just about every game they lost….
by Hombre de Acero on Jan 14, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I suppose they were in the game where they blew the 31-3 lead
Not sure if Marvin Lewis felt positive about that fact afterward.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
How did he keep his job is my question?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
They're too cheap to hire anyone else
And no one else would take that job without getting paid like $10 million a year. They’re both insane. Whaddya do? I’m sure we’ll both enjoy beating up on them next year.
Try to do better than 1-1, you might win the division if you do…ahem…
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Those goddamn Bengals. They are a nuisance. With out them we would have won the division, and last year the Steelers would’ve made the playoffs.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I love this rivalry
it’s so much fun.
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I love it, too. I love B'more,
went to school there, ate a zillion crabcakes (mostly chased with Jack Daniels Black), cheered loud and long for the Bluejays lax team, tended bar at the Stadium Lounge, even spent an evening at the Two O’Clock Club as a guest of Blaze Starr with a few of my friends (a wonderful warm, witty woman, she wouldn’t allow us alcohol but had her dancers sit with us).
And I got to see the Pirates beat the 1971 Orioles, and the playoff game when the Steelers destroyed the Colts – shortly after the game ended a small plane crashed into the stands.
My heros have always been Steelers...
'Shoulda Cheered for the Greyhounds!
Baltimore is a great town. Similar to Pittsburgh in a lot of ways (not my view, but the view of my a number of Pittsburgh Natives who spent time in Charm City in the 1990’s.)
by Hombre de Acero on Jan 14, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
And popcorn.
We brought garbage bags of it; kept folks from getting sick drunk. And the Blue Jay Bananas.
The drill worked.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Flaw in your gameplan?
If you want to put Webb your fastest corner on Sanders, then who going to play Wallace cause Webb was playing him the last 2 games. Regardless of that Ben has only throw 5 int all year and the Week 12 game was Johnathan Scott second start at LT. On top of that the Ravens could handle a blitz that LeBeau put in that same week, how will they handle the numerous new blitz LeBeau has put in with the 2 weeks off?
Ravens can easily handle the blitz
Using Joe Flacco’s patented, “Where’s Ray Rice?” technique. This method flawlessly turns third-and-14 into fourth-and-3.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone knows the Ravens are a talented team.
Whether you want to compare Heap to Miller, Mendenhall to Rice, Wallace to Boldin, Ray Lewis to Deebo, Troy to Ed Reed, there’s not much difference in the talent on these two teams. Where the difference is pronounced, though, is at the critical QB position. During his NFL career, Ben has usually outplayed Flacco, especially at crunch time. The only way I see the Ravens winning this one is if Flacco keeps pace with Ben at critical points in the game. But based on their history, I don’t think Flacco will quite measure up.
by Billy52 on Jan 14, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He Who Controls the Underneath Routes Controls the Game?
We all know that Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Terrell Suggs, James Harrison, Ray Lewis, LaMarr Woodley, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu are all capable of coming up big when the two teams meet. It is not a strech to say that a couple-a-three of them will have big plays.
I think the difference will be who makes the plays underneath and/or who stops them.
Health, Heap, Timmons, Farrior and one other wild card could be the difference in Steelers vs. Ravens III.
by Hombre de Acero on Jan 14, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions
Good points
Baltimore has worked the middle of the field on crossing routes with their WRs a lot more recently (and I don’t just mean against KC). They’ve got two good physical WRs who can make catches in traffic. Stopping that is all about someone stepping in front of them, but that takes away the extra defender advantage the nickel D would provide.
Chess match…should be fun as always!
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Erhrm
They’ve got two good physical WRs
Do I dare rehash this conversation?
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
nah
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
We've been able to give up those routes to Baltimore and still keep them off the scoreboard.
The only reason they beat us earlier this season was because we let their WR run free right off the line into the endzone. When we beat them, we gave up a ridiculously long pass near the end of the game that looked for awhile like it might beat us.
But the Pats are a completely different story. They can absolutely kill you with underneath routes, even in the red zone.
They beat us...
With our fourth quarterback under center…I mean, would Ben NOT have been able to get two first downs at the end of the game to seal it?
by Neal Coolong on Jan 14, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
With Flacco, sure
The underneath routes are all he has.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
MCFadden won't get lit up at all
Joe Flacco is flappy little twat (please pronounce the British way “twaht”) who isn’t man enough to throw the deep ball.
Face facts, Ratbirds fans. We have a legit NFL QB. Yinz guys have the next Neil O’Donnell. And our deepest sympathies, because we know the false hope that entails.
I’m pretty sure Flacco has proven his worth in his first 3 seasons. If he’s not franchise quarterback material I don’t know who is.
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by Zachary Beard on Jan 14, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
You don't know who is?
Let me help you: Brady, P Manning, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers.
I could see Matt Ryan joining that list in the next year or two. Hard to see Joe FlaccO’Donnell, even if I squint really, really hard.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I don’t think Flacco is a bad QB. Maybe never a top 5 elite but I think he is solid enough to beat most teams.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
67yrd completion to Stallworth in the last game and followed by another 50+ throw to Boldin, just in the last Pittsburgh-Bmore game and you say he doesn’t throw the deep ball? Your language is a reflection of intellect. Degenerate and disaffected from any marker which entails reason.
Bah
Boldin had to most of the work. Catch at 20, then run another 30. Not a deep ball, kids.
Come on Ratbirders, you know what the deep ball really means. The throw goes behind the deep safety and the receiver just keeps running and the ball drops in and there’s no run after the catch because the QB got it all the way to the end zone.
I know there’s some QB in the NFL whose deep ball goes like that. Roeth-something. Something-berger. Something-lis-something.
I hear he plays for the not-Baltimore not-Ravens.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, cool.
Your language is a reflection of intellect.
We’re getting dissed by the guy who has to pull out the thesaurus. Work on context, bud. Use the dictionary in conjunction with the thesaurus next time.
"We don't fix blame; we fix problems." Dick LeBeau, in an interview with Denver Sports Talk radio, March 2009
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Forgive
He lives in Baltimore.
He will spend next week rooting for the Pawts to beat the Steelers.
Ponder how sick rooting for the Pawts is. Feel it? Oh, it’s gross even thinking about it.
Well? That’s what his Monday and his Tuesday and his Wednesday and his Thursday and his Friday and his Saturday and his Sunday are all going to feel like next week.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Congratulations
What else did he do that game?
by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2011 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ray Rice is sick
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6023656&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Without Ray Rice, who will Joe Flacco dump the ball off to on third-and-14?!
LeRon McClain? Might as well kneel down.
Without Ray Rice, the Ravens will be punting on fourth-and-14 instead of fourth-and-3.
by theobserver on Jan 14, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Don't expect this to be an issue
Between nerves, flu and a dozen other reasons, guys could be yarking all over the place. You would have to rip off Rice’s legs to keep him out of the game.
Hmmm…..there’s a thought…
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You may be right -
but if he’s playing, I hope that the only thing he’s coughing up is the ball…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 14, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ewww, phlegmy football...
"We don't fix blame; we fix problems." Dick LeBeau, in an interview with Denver Sports Talk radio, March 2009
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I am thinking stomach flu
Phlegm would be nicer.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
flu
There has been a nasty stomach flu making the rounds here. It is often paired up with a vicious cold. He may be unable to play tomorrow if it started today. If it started Wednesday he should be good to go though maybe with a little less endurance than normal.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
It started this evening
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
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by LV Steelers Fan on Jan 15, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
if it is the flu
I will be amazed he can play though the marvels of medicine are amazing if your pockets are deep enough.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
The more I think of it
The more likely he will be on the field tomorrow.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully nothing serious
He is a great player and it would be better to beat the Ravens when both teams are at their best.
"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
Tommy Douglas
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 15, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
These stories always start surfacing about 24 hours from the game
Even if he is sick, they’ll have an IV in him for six hours before the game, he’ll be fine.
by Neal Coolong on Jan 15, 2011 6:35 AM EST up reply actions
fortunately
If this is true, it will become more apparent in the 4th quarter, if he plays as much as they say he will…
Let's go Steelers
clap, clap, clapclapclap!
by choisae on Jan 15, 2011 8:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm Nervous
I have a sneaking suspicion that they will come out flat, and play catch up the whole game.
Somebody tell me I’m wrong, and you saw them practice knocking heads and with a focused aggressive precision that is unparalleled.
Please. Somebody tell me….
I think
you are wrong in this Jake, the way they played the last two games showed focus and determination. I don’t think that the veterans would let that slide because of a week to rest. Also I think Harrison and Woodley will come out on fire, they can taste the sacks, fumbles, and win.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Jan 15, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
The burgh wins if......
Love the article, but let’s not forget those pesky zebras and the goodell factor here.
The first meeting Oher was ahead of the. Snap count all game. They seemed to call it a bit in the second, but there were lots of call against Troy and Harrison that weren’t called. Hopefully this comes down to who plays their best and not some over call/ non call.
Look for hood,Timmons and woodley to have a big impact.
Sanders will be the x factor, if mendy can get 20-25 touches we win.
Only one thing to say
HERE WE FREAKIN GO STEELERS!!!!!!
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Youth Takes Center Stage?
There’s been lots of talk about how old the Steelers are getting, and it is true, particularly on defense.
However, if you stop and take stock of the number of starters or key backs ups who will be playing in their first NFL game, it is interesting to see, particuarly when you consider this team won the Super Bowl just two years ago. Click here for a full list.
by Hombre de Acero on Jan 15, 2011 2:38 PM EST reply actions
21 Points?
98 total yards of offense – 21 points.
2 turnover inside the 20
3 sacks
\ugly half and the snow is coming to slow things down
Doom
Baltimore Warrior
Yes, let’s rehash the WR conversation.
Irony
When your confident that you “know” something and the opposite happens. Like Sanders haveing 4 for 54 yards Brown having a huge 58 yard reception while TJ & Boldin drop easy receptions, with Stallworth doing as much work as I could have.

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