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The Best 2010 NFL Defense: A Deeper Statistical Analysis Than Yards Per Game, Part 1

One of the fallacies that bugs me in the NFL is the definition of the top offense and defense in the NFL. Generally, the majority of NFL fans and analysts go by yards per game. Defensively speaking, if your team gives up the least yards per game you are crowned the best defense in the league. It gives a simplistic view of offense and defense, but it is incredibly inaccurate and completely ignores millions of dependent variables like time of possession, points, yards per play, etc. Therefore, I decided I wanted to take a deeper look into NFL defenses and find the best one based on more than just yards per game. I will try to take into account those many dependent variables, but remember this is not perfect science (what is really?). This is just one man's statistical review of the issue. I guarantee you though, it is a better representation of a defense as a whole than yards per game.

All of my numbers have been collected from Pro-Football-Reference (and a few other sources listed elsewhere).

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Just for reference, below is a table showing yards per game final 2010 statistics. Also, I included points per game, because it is another number that is referenced a lot, but has more weight in my opinion. I color coded the rankings for your visual satisfaction. And, I found an awesome javascript that should allow you to sort the tables per column by clicking on each column header.

Team Total Y/G Y/G Rank Pass Y/G PY/G Rank Rush Y/G RY/G Rank Pts/G Pts/G Rank
Chargers 271.6 1 177.8 1 93.8 4 20.1 10
Steelers 276.8 2 214.1 12 62.8 1 14.5 1
Jets 291.5 3 200.6 6 90.9 3 19 6
Saints 306.3 4 193.9 4 112.3 16 19.2 7
Packers 309.1 5 194.2 5 114.9 18 15 2
Dolphins 309.3 6 209.3 8 100.1 7 20.8 13
Giants 311.9 7 210.6 10 101.3 8 21.7 17
Vikings 312.6 8 210.4 9 102.2 9 21.8 18
Bears 314.3 9 224.3 20 90.1 2 17.9 4
Ravens 318.9 10 224.9 21 93.9 5 16.9 3
Raiders 322.8 11 189.2 2 133.6 29 23.2 20
Eagles 327.2 12 216.8 14 110.4 15 23.6 21
49ers 327.8 13 231.1 24 96.7 6 21.6 16
Chiefs 330.2 14 219.9 17 110.3 14 20.4 11
Bengals 332 15 216.8 15 115.2 19 24.7 24
Falcons 332.4 16 226.6 22 105.9 10 18 5
Buccaneers 332.7 17 201 7 131.7 28 19.9 9
Panthers 335.9 18 212.1 11 123.8 23 25.5 26
Rams 336.8 19 223.6 19 113.1 17 20.5 12
Colts 341.6 20 214.6 13 127 25 24.3 23
Lions 343.6 21 218.6 16 124.9 24 23.1 19
Browns 350.1 22 220.7 18 129.4 27 20.8 14
Cowboys 351.8 23 243.4 26 108.4 12 27.3 31
Bills 361.6 24 192 3 169.6 32 26.6 28
Patriots 366.5 25 258.5 30 108 11 19.6 8
Titans 367.7 26 252 29 115.7 20 21.2 15
Seahawks 368.6 27 249.6 27 118.9 21 25.4 25
Jaguars 371.8 28 250.3 28 121.6 22 26.2 27
Cardinals 373.6 29 228.4 23 145.2 30 27.1 30
Texans 376.9 30 267.5 32 109.4 13 26.7 29
Redskins 389.3 31 261.7 31 127.6 26 23.6 22
Broncos 390.8 32 236.3 25 154.6 31 29.4 32
Avg Team 336.1 -- 221.6 -- 114.5 -- 22.1 --

From that table we could deduce that the Chargers and Steelers are tied for the best defenses. Each of them ranks at a 4 when the four categories are averaged. Just behind them is the Jets at 4.5, Packers at 7.5, and Saints at 7.8. In dead last, is your the Broncos with a average rank of 30th. Ouch!

However, like I said above, yards per game is relatively pointless, especially when you break it down between rush yards and passing yards. I have stated all year that the Steelers see a lot of teams abandon the run and try to pass, which results in them seeing more pass attempts per game than any other team. That results in them seeing more pass yards, which does not necessarily mean their pass defense is as bad as it ranks in yards per game. Also, when you rank defenses like that you are essentially ruling that turnovers, sacks, and the other important defensive categories are worthless. Moreover, yards per game allowed on defense can be heavily skewed by a team like the Patriots, that dominates time of possession due to their high-powered offense.

I am getting ahead of myself though. A step forward would be looking at the amount of yards a team gives up per play. This is better representation of a defense because it takes in to an account a defense that may see more snaps than another team. If a team has a bad offense, obviously their defense is going to be on the field more. That means they will likely allow more total yards, but could still be playing effective defense. Let me explain a little more after I show you the numbers. The passing numbers will be in yards per attempt, which does not take into account sacks.

Team Y/P Y/P Rk P Y/A P Y/A Rk R Y/A R Y/A Rk
Steelers 4.5 1 6.3 1 3 1
Chargers 4.6 2 6.4 2 3.7 6
Jets 4.8 3 6.5 5 3.6 3
Dolphins 5 4 7.1 19 3.6 4
Bears 5 5 6.6 8 3.7 5
Packers 5.1 6 6.5 6 4.7 28
Vikings 5.1 7 6.7 9 3.9 9
Giants 5.1 8 6.8 10 4.2 14
Panthers 5.1 9 6.9 14 3.9 10
Chiefs 5.1 10 6.5 7 4.3 18
Ravens 5.1 11 6.4 3 3.9 7
49ers 5.1 12 7.2 23 3.5 2
Raiders 5.2 13 7.1 20 4.5 24
Saints 5.2 14 6.8 11 4.3 17
Eagles 5.2 15 7 18 4.2 15
Titans 5.2 16 6.9 15 3.9 8
Rams 5.3 17 6.8 12 4.5 22
Bills 5.4 18 6.9 16 4.8 32
Buccaneers 5.4 19 6.4 4 4.7 29
Colts 5.4 20 6.8 13 4.6 27
Browns 5.4 21 7.3 25 4.1 12
Lions 5.5 22 7.3 26 4.5 23
Cardinals 5.5 23 7.3 27 4.4 21
Seahawks 5.5 24 7.2 24 4.2 16
Bengals 5.6 25 7.1 21 4.4 20
Falcons 5.6 26 6.9 17 4.6 25
Patriots 5.6 27 7.1 22 4.2 13
Cowboys 5.8 28 7.7 29 4.3 19
Broncos 5.9 29 7.8 30 4.7 31
Redskins 5.9 30 7.5 28 4.6 26
Texans 6 31 8.2 31 4 11
Jaguars 6.3 32 8.3 32 4.7 30
Avg Team 5.3 -- 7 --
4.2 --

There are a few very good examples of yards per game being very misleading in this table. Take for example the Dolphins pass defense that ranks 8th in yards, but gives up more yards per pass attempt than more than half the league. The reason for that is that all but 3 teams above them in pass yards per game has seen more pass attempts. Therefore, you can see why yards per play is a better ranking system than yards per game. The big surprise for me is how far down that list the Falcons and Patriots rank, the two #1 seeds in the playoffs.

The average ranks in yards per play puts the Steelers at first with a perfect ranking. Following them are the Chargers (3.3), Jets (3.7), Bears (6), and Ravens (7). In dead last is the Jaguars with an average rank of 31.3. And this team almost made it into the playoffs? Yikes.

That's it for part 1 of the analysis. In the next portion we will look into several key defensive numbers like sacks, turnovers, touchdowns allowed, etc. Look for Part 2 tomorrow only on Behind The Steel Curtain.

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nice work

Looks to me like the numbers say we can run on GB — they were significantly worse than the Jets in rushing yards per attempt.

I look forward to part II, this is great stuff.

by 57_Varieties on Jan 24, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

+1 great stuff indeed Johnny!

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by Michael Bean on Jan 24, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Never know

Its about matchups we’ll see, by this yes we should be able to run on them, but this is ranking a team over a whole season, this doesn’t take into account individual matchups per game.

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by tannofsteel84 on Jan 25, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ppg by itself is generally misleading

What if your offense gives up a lot of returns or your ST does? Hell they could even give up short field to the other teams offense a lot. It just isn’t that simple.

by John Stephens on Jan 24, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

well, that's too simplistic

Because if they racked up 500 yards, they’d likely be possessing the ball for a loooooong time. Which would be awfully tough then for the offense to get much going.

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by Michael Bean on Jan 24, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with most of your guys points

but I liked the way you put these tables out.

On another note, how do you put these tables into fanposts?

by seton hall and steelers on Jan 24, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

well

It’s a lot easier to do in the story editors as opposed to in fanposts because there’s a template they give you to do tables, whereas in fanposts you have to do the html by hand. I’d look somewhere on the web for a place to create html tables, do it there, then copy and paste the html into the fanpost. You can email me with more questions if you get stuck.

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by Michael Bean on Jan 24, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

to me, that is misleading. points scored is all that matters in a single game, but does not necessarily lead to a good predictor of future success. The yards per play gives you an idea of how easy/hard it is to run or pass on a team.

by tkired on Jan 24, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry for reply to my own reply…
so, these stats tell How it is that our D gives up so few ppg, you know?
like, ppg is the ultimate goal, but how does the team get there?
I think these stats do a better job answering that question

by tkired on Jan 24, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice charts

Looking forward to the next part.

The big surprise for me is how far down that list the Falcons and Patriots rank, the two #1 seeds in the playoffs.

The simple explanation could be time of possession. Both teams can sustain long drives. With their offenses on the field, the opposing team gets to make very few plays from scrimmage. Even if they do get respectable yardage on those plays, they need to get points or fall behind on the scoreboard.

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by Varmint on Jan 24, 2011 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Great Chart Ringo!!

I like how your chart really showed how"not good" the Patriots Defense really is. Yet they have Mayo in over Timmons.
Now if the Jaguars had a decent defense, they could have held off the Colts from the Playoffs.
I know Im playing the if game here, but the Panthers, seeing some of their games this season, their defense was respectable. 9th in ur second chart, 18th in total yards per game. And ur so right when u mention when the offense is bad the defense will be on the field a lot. Maybe they need offensive weapons in the draft instead of defense.
But defense wins championships(except the Chargers), and ur charts prove it
Great stuff guy

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by PCISteeler on Jan 24, 2011 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Why not points?

I’ve always wondered why yards are somehow more important than points, when ranking defenses. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

(not complaining about this post, but football punditry in general)

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Jan 24, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

One reason

Not all points are scored against the defense (e.g. STs and defensive TDs)

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 24, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's take an extreme example

let’s say in a fictitious (Thank God) game, that the Steelers offense gets 10 possessions in a game, and fumbles the ball on their own 5 yd. line every time. The other team scores half the time, due the Steelers awesome D. So the other team scored, say, 31 points. Would that mean the Steeler’s D is bad ?

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by michaelbro8 on Jan 24, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

very nice post

and nifty charts.

I’m a bit confused about what the Dolphins example shows us, though. It seems that their run defense was pretty good, so why did they have fewer pass attempts against them.

Also, it seems that the Steelers should try and run on the Packers. I’d like to order a 9 minute drive for 7 points to start the game.

by stylepoints on Jan 24, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

I’d like to order a 9 minute drive for 7 points to start the game

  can I order that from the menu too ?

6 and counting

by michaelbro8 on Jan 24, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take a 10 minute drive for 7 points actually

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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 24, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Great stuff as always!

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by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 24, 2011 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Nice!

Very nicely done, I look forward to tomorrows follow up.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Jan 24, 2011 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

this is like crack to a data junkie like me

Fantastic — looking forward to more.

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by Alba on Jan 24, 2011 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

Why We Come Here

Excellent breakdown John!

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by SteelerInSeattle on Jan 24, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

Yo

How did you do those colors. Very nice. I am various shades of green with envy.

by SteelerBuddha on Jan 24, 2011 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

I figure a talk about Defense is a good place to post this...

That’s why our defense wins games. Double Dragon Kicks from Diesel and Wood.

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by svenhoek on Jan 24, 2011 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

Purrrty Tables

I likes all the colors.
But seriously, the Y/PA stat was surprising in light of all the talk that our pass D is suspect.

I think many here did not really believe Steelers were bad against the pass, but #1 in the league!

Great work here.

by tkired on Jan 24, 2011 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

Job well done!

Yards per attempt is definitely more revealing than total yards. Do not know how it could be done, but if there was a way to break out the statistics based on which side of the field they were on, I suspect it would be even more dramatic.

For example, giving up 10 yards from the opponents own 30 to their own 40 is far less significant than giving up 10 yards in the red zone. And as LaDanian found out in the AFC Championship, that last yard can be the most difficult of all to gain against the Black and Gold!

Again, job well done, John.

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by GoldMetalDefense on Jan 24, 2011 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Good job

It would be interesting to see how our offense measures up from a similar analysis.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 24, 2011 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

Further proof that YPG is stupid

I always agree and hate how most sites rank defenses by YPG when PPG is so much more valuable. You win the game on the scoreboard not the stat sheet.

Good poast and nice javascript trick. They do that on wikipedia… i always liked that one.

by Mechem on Jan 24, 2011 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

the ranking

This is almost a baseball fans look at football. Great to think about but, you need another chart that indicates the level of pain and emotional torment inflicted on the other team. Another intangible for the Packers to think about…“how bad will it hurt when James Harrison drops the hammer on the new A-ROD?”

by Joseph Krautheim on Jan 24, 2011 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting idea!

Or for a QB – what are the chances of Troy picking my throw if it is closer than 100 to where he is currently standing?

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by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 25, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

strange

It’s strange to look at the Packers yardage defense on these charts. In both yards per game and yards per attempt, their pass defense ranks high, and though their rush defense ranks low, their total defense ranks the same as their pass defense (on both charts). Meaning: their inferior run defense numbers do not have a significant impact on their overall defense. Is that analysis correct? And what does it all mean? I’m unaccustomed to doing this. I look at their run defense numbers and think Rashard Mendenhall will be SB MVP (Roethlisberger stymied again)—but is running against them actually productive? Meanwhile their points allowed is very low, which tells me their red zone defense is superior, which is troubling.

by steel sox on Jan 25, 2011 3:28 AM EST reply actions  

It’s pretty simple why that occurs. The Patriots score early and often, which forces teams to throw on them to keep the pace. The Patriots see teams pass the ball 61.3% of the time, which is just under 5% more than league average. So they see a lot less rush attempts, but we can clearly see from their yards per rush, that their rush D is not that great, its around average.

Last time I heard, the Steelers still had the best red zone defense in the league, but I am sure the Packers have a very good one too.

by John Stephens on Jan 25, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

er, um, Patriots?

But yes, I see how what you say applies to the Packers. Though they are at the bottom of the pile for rushing yards per attempt, they are almost exactly average for total rushing yards allowed, which means they see less attempts than average (I think). I can see how (not having witnessed any Packers games this year) situations such as prevent defense in garbage time, where run defense is not a priority, could deflate their numbers and misrepresent their capabilities. I would not expect the Steelers to have the same degree of effectiveness focusing on the run as they did against the Jets. I believe Jabooty below when he says the Packers can stop the run when they emphasize it.

As for the Packers red zone defense, I’m concerned less with how it matches up with the Steelers red zone defense than with the Steelers red zone offense, which has overcome weakness this year only with lots of concentration. My preliminary thoughts are that red zone efficiency will decide the game.

by steel sox on Jan 25, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I read that wrong, earlier in the morning and I was working on the 2nd installment. My apologies. It’s up now, go check it out

by John Stephens on Jan 25, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Packers D

I’m a little surprised by the yards the D gave up, because it certainly doesn’t look like that in the game. One thing I will point out is that when the Packers do emphasis on stopping the run, they will stop the run. Thus seeing how we shutout the Jets at NY and crushed the Giants. The Packers are most vulnerable to the run when you spread us out. That’s where teams have the most success. Above all else GB is very good at getting turnovers, something that isn’t really touched up on here. Not to mention sacks as well. GB currently ranks #2 in the NFL in total sacks, just behind the Steelers. How GB has given up such few points when having one of the most embarrasing Special Teams Units in history is beyond me. That’s speaks for itself that the defense can hold up from that!

I’m not going to go as far as saying the Packers have a superior D to the Steelers. I don’t think the Steelers are light years ahead of the Packers either. The Steelers and Packers play 2 very different defenses with similar schemes and tendencies. The Packers rely heavily on speed and finesse, while the Steelers are about intimidation, hard hitting, and above all else execution. They are much more experienced than the Packers.

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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2011 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Turnovers is today’s post that I am going to put up in an hour. Please check back soon.

by John Stephens on Jan 25, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

nice break down, love the 2nd chart

lets hope that rush D of the Packers doesn’t all of a sudden figure stuff out, and lets hope that teh Steelers understand this break down and run Mendy and Redman a lot.

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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 25, 2011 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

that was my initial thought

Upon further review, it seems the Packers’ poor mark for yards per rushing attempt is joined to a lower percentage of rushes attempted. If the Steelers choose to run more often (which worked against the Jets), they might not get the same high rate of yards per attempt. My guess is that they would not, and that there is not such a simple solution to the Packers’ championship-caliber (read: Steelers knock-off) defense.

by steel sox on Jan 25, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

kid RB Starks

he has been impressive but lets look at the numbers

22a/74yds/3.4 per 1TDagainst the Bears who give up 3.7 5th in NFL for season
25/66/2.6 0 TDvs Falcons who give up 4.6 25th
23/123/5.3 0 TD vs Eagles who gave up 4.2 per 15th

if we can keep the number anywhere similar to the Bears, which I think we can actually be better than, that is pretty effective and stopping the run, if we can perform like we did all season even better

just to add
Mendy-
20/46/2.3 2TDs vs Ravens 3.9 7th for season
27/121/4.5 1TD vs Jets 3.6 3rd

goes against the #28 rushing D who gives up 4.7
lets hope we can continue this and run the ball, comtrol teh clock and have Ben complete some big 3rd downs, and a deep throw or 2

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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 25, 2011 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

Good stuff!!

What truly scares me about the Steelers is their ability to stop the run………..The Packers don’t need to run alot just enough that you bite on the play action. What give me hope is that most of the time the Steelers were so far ahead in a lot of games this year that the other team abandoned the running game for the passing game because they HAD TO.

Can’t wait!! Two legendary teams with national fan bases in the Super Bowl baby!! The NFL couldn’t have scripted it any better if they wanted to.

Good luck!!

by greenbay packers backer on Jan 25, 2011 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

stats

Some stats do not exemplify a good season by a defense or offense.
If I recall, the 1990 Steelers were the top defense in the nfl, but finished 9-7 and not just because the offense was bad. That season, with the playoffs on the line the TOP defense in yards allowed was shredded on the last game of the season by Cody Carlson. Yes, Cody Carlson??? That defense gave up 27 points to 49ers,Bengals, 28 to Miami and 34 to Houston. Too many points allowed against the top tier teams in the NFL at that time to be considered the best in the league.

by Steelermark on Jan 25, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

30 yards better!

Was anyone else struck by the fact that the Steelers gave up 30 rushing yards per game less than their next closest defense! 30 yards. Wow.

by strummer5 on Jan 25, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

yes

Yes, the Steelers run defense this year was historically good. (And I wouldn’t have thought that possible without Aaron Smith most the season.)

by steel sox on Jan 25, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I was trying to flag the spam but it wouldn’t let me. Then I refreshed the spam was already gone. Good work editors.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 25, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Speaking of good work

Nice analysis and nice formatting. I look forward to reading part two.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 25, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff John.

These are always put together extremely well… I’m jealous.

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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 25, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

You’re right! I’ve always thought basing the best defense on one standing is a false representation. I like the way you analyzed the table. But some people will disagree on the fact that whether you play a good or bad game, one question that remains is, was your defense penetrable?

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