Play of Steelers' Defense in Convincing Win Over Titans Proves Why They're Not to be Overlooked Just Yet
One of the absolute joys of running this website for nearly six years now is seeing Steeler Nation take advantage of the unique platform the site's technology affords fans to share their opinions, and then receive prompt feedback from other fans. Admittedly though, it's frustrating at times seeing that sounding board be used to rant against proven champions far before we have enough data to make sweeping conclusions about the Steelers chances in 2011. It's part of it; there is no censoring frustration amongst fans who just want to see their favorite team perform well one day per week. But for better or worse, it's just hard to maintain a high level of excellence for a prolonged period of time in the National Football League -- be it a team, an individual unit on a team, or even a singular player.
The Steelers defense has been experiencing that harsh reality through the first quarter of the 2011 season. The mojo is not completely gone though. As Neal Coolong and I discussed last week on the podcast, the Steelers have probably been at a disadvantage from the lack of physical practices. Gerry Dulac apparently dismissed such an idea in a recent chat, but lo and behold, the Steelers conduct practices in pads last week and suddenly look a lot more physical and in tune with what each other will be doing in traffic when they took the field on Sunday.
Let's get to some scatter-brained talking points about the defense's performance to start the week. We'll hand out a game ball later on Monday (it's not who you think it is), we'll break down a few plays in still shots and diagrams, and of course, we'll turn our attention to the stellar play of the offense in the 38-17 win. For now though, let's stay on the defensive side of the ball.
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One thing that many fans and scribes overlooked was the simple fact that the Steelers played three of their first four games away from Heinz Field. Great teams should be able to win away from home, no doubt. But it has to be said that even the most spoiled of fan bases (us) can't expect success week in and week out on other teams' home turf. Pittsburgh has already traversed the most difficult part of the schedule, at least away from Heinz Field. The team may have its flaws and ultimately fall well sort of its goal to win a seventh Lombardi, but it's fairly clear through five games that the Steelers are going to be playing meaningful games in December (and hopefully January). 3-2 through this subtly tough start to the year is perfectly acceptable. This next two weeks should go along ways towards confirming whether the team has what it takes to not stumble against inferior competition.
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I think it's also worth mentioning that the Steelers' two losses came on the road against teams who played lights out against us, only to fizzle out the following week. The Steelers first got dusted by the rival Baltimore Ravens in Week 1. It was crystal clear that Baltimore was more 'up' for the game than Pittsburgh, and the result was a resounding 35-7 beatdown by the Ravens. Give all the credit to the world to the Ravens for their fine performance in Week 1, but one small thing -- they had little left in the tank the following week when they traveled to Nashville to play the Titans in Week 2. Tennessee punched them in the mouth and won handily, 26-13. In Week 4, the Steelers lost their second game of the year, a 17-10 defeat to the Texans that left many fans wondering if this year just wasn't our year. The conversation centered around Pittsburgh's struggles and shortcomings, which in turn deflected attention from Houston and the fine game they played in victory. Wade Phillips' defense was awesome two Sundays ago, and it made the Steelers' offense look incompetent in the process. In our preview podcast for Week 4, Neal Coolong brought up a great point when he harkened back to the Phillips' orchestrated Cowboys defense in 2008 that made Roethlisberger and the Steelers' offense look inept for almost all of the late-season matchup. Coolong predicted that the Steelers would again have a hard time slowing down Phillips' hyper-aggressive brand of defensive play-calling, and that's exactly what happened. The outstanding performance took a lot of the unit. Against the Oakland Raiders on Sunday, the Texans played well enough to win. Yet, despite playing at home, it was Oakland who had that extra gear to turn to this weekend, no doubt a result of the Saturday passing of team owner Al Davis. Moral of the story for me I guess is simple -- (A) every team in the National Football League is going to have a few games each year where they are on a mission and won't be denied....(B) when you're a high-profile champion like the Pittsburgh Steelers, you better be able to withstand a number of those from the opposition over the course of a long season, and (C) doing so requires you not to throw away too many games like a Week 5 matchup against a Titans team that may be 3-1 but really doesn't have that same sense of desperate urgency as a Ravens or Texans team playing at home.
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Chris Hoke baby. Love it. I know Hokey is the favorite player of Tim Gleason (aka maryrose), and on Sunday, we were reminded why so many longtime fans have identified the reserve defensive tackle as one of their favorite reserves. Hoke was a beast against the Titans. He finished with just two tackles on the afternoon, but his impact was far greater than that. Furthermore, I believe both tackles were for a loss. We'll get into more detail this week about how the Steelers did a better job collectively stopping the run, but when we do, Hoke's name will one again be front and center. It's easy to write off a guy like Hoke at 35 years of age when he struggles, but no more. Look, the Steelers signed the veteran to a one-year deal this offseason figuring he'd probably be able to help them win a game or two during the course of a long regular season. They were right. Hoke did just that in Week 5. So, sure, discuss the need to restock at NT in the immediate future, but for the remainder of this season, no more bitching about Hokey and his place on this team. He more than validated his value on Sunday.
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A quick shout out to LaMarr Woodley for the impact he had on the Steelers' win. I was pretty outspoken in my critique of Woodley this past week. Here's one of the things I had to say about Woodley: Woodley, to his immense credit, has great hands and sound instincts in the passing game. You can't say that about too many dudes his size. That said, he's not fast enough to where those traits come into play all that often in the high-speed National Football League. I'd say Sunday's gave supported all those claims. Woodley showed off those impressive hands when he picked off a pass that had been tipped by Brett Keisel in the third quarter, just as Tennessee was trying to fight and claw their way back into the game. Amazing ball skills from Woodley with a tackle draped all over him as he came down with the ball. Woodley finished with 1 1/2 sacks, 1 INT and 3 total tackles in Week 5. He'll get lots of pub and credit from the mainstream media for his performance. But he still needs to play better for this team to have championship aspirations. On too many plays he was a non-factor, and on at least one occasion in pass coverage, he looked far too slow afoot. Still, what I was asking for was for our highest paid player to help turn a game in our favor with his unique talent and skill set. He wasn't in on a lot of plays on Sunday, but he still managed to make a huge impact on those plays where he did make his presence felt. That's all I wanted to see, so color me extremely happy.
- James Farrior - 13 tackles against the Titans. He's definitely in the twilight of his career, but the dude can still quarterback our defense. I thought Farrior played his best game of the still-young 2011 season.
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Welcome back Brett Keisel. We missed you. It's hard to precisely quantify what Keisel means to this defense, but one very tangible way that he does is with his ability to bat down passes at the line of scrimmage with his impeccable sense of timing and underrated athleticism for a man his size. Woodley's interception came on a Keisel-tipped pass. Welcome back Brett, now stay healthy ya hear?
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While we're on the subject of the defensive line....incredibly encouraging stuff from two of the Steelers' recent first round draft picks -- Ziggy Hood and Cameron Heyward. Hood finished with half a sack in relief of Aaron Smith; Heyward rotated in during the second half and immediately made his presence felt. The rookie our of Ohio State forced a fumble with his sack of Matt Hasselbeck that was unfortunately recovered by the Titans. While Hoke led the way in helping shore up the run defense, Hood and Heyward were the main catalysts behind improving the pass rush from the front-seven. And they did so without any fancy stunts and against a very solid Titans' offensive line.
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Close but no cigar for Troy Polamalu in Week 5. No. 43 was close to making a few game-changing plays, but was just a split-second late from doing anything other than making life difficult for Hasselbeck and the Titans' offense. God it's good to see him healthy and playing at a high level.
- He's gotten enough abuse for his mistakes, so it's only fair to give him some props for a job well done. That'd be William Gay, who continues to play at a B/B+ level this year. We'll see how he does against the creme de la creme, but he's not been picked on like he was last year, and he continues to prove that he at least is a sound tackler in open space.
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It cost the Steelers on the one touchdown pass in the fourth quarter, but I loved seeing Dick LeBeau be more aggressive this week. After four weeks in which he seemingly played things fairly close to the vest, the Steelers were fairly creative in how they went about confusing Matt Hasselbeck. Whether the Steelers should have waited to Week 5 before realizing they might need to open up the book, so to speak, can be argued. But I think LeBeau now knows that he can win with this group of 'over the hill' veterans provided he forces the initiative with an attacking brand of defense.
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The Bears and Lions are still scheduled to play in Week 5, but amongst AFC teams, the Steelers now rank quite high in most major traditional statistical categories. We'll get to those numbers once Week 5 is officially in the books, but you'll be seeing the Steelers in the top three in many significant categories.
- I'm sure many fans were beside themselves watching the opening series of the game, a 13-play 69-yard drive that netted three points for Tennessee; I'm also confident saying that plenty hated to see Tennessee move the ball at the end of the game. Perhaps legitimate concerns, but here's what I know. Following that opening series, the Titans ran 17 offensive plays during the middle of the first quarter and the latter stages of the third quarter. With those 17 plays, the Titans mustered a mere 49 yards of total offense, they punted four times, scored zero points, and unceremoniously had the first half clock expire on them. .More on this later in the week, but the defense continues to have stretches where they're unequivocally impossible to advance the ball against. If they can clean a few things up around the edges, look out, this unit can be every bit as dangerous as the 2008 unit that paved the way for a sixth Lombardi Trophy.
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I think we all said "Oh, shit, not again"
when CJ rumbled for 21 yards down the field on the game’s first snap, flashbacks of Ray Rice and Arian Foster springing to our minds… Not so fast!
I agree with everything well-written above, but if I were to choose one key factor that determined the performance of our defense, it is the play of our defensive line. It was very visible that our front three had enough push in them to move the Titans’ offensive line just enough into the backfield to disrupt Chris Johnson’s running lanes, making him indecisive in cutting upfield, forcing him to bounce to the outside too often, where he became an easy target of our LBs and DBs coming off the edge. In the previous games (especially at Houston), our DL constantly went a step back on rushing plays. That for me was the biggest difference.
I also think that Troy Polamalu is shaving off his bad karma with close misses, it is at least the fourth game in a row where he is a half-inch away from making a big splash play. This is bad luck. But it will stop sooner or later, and when it is time for Troy to change the outcome of a game, he will do it.
And, one final note, did the Titans really fail to throw once at Ike Taylor (except for the desparation thrown at the end that landed good four yards beyond being catchable)? I’d love to see some stats!
Oh, and one more thing. Show me one more team with a TO differential of 2-12 after 5 weeks who would be 3-2 and within 1/2 game from the divisional lead! These Steelers are way better than they look right now. I’m telling you, once these turnovers start coming into our D’s hands and once Ben gets some short fields, this will be a whole different story!
Life's a journey, not a destination.
i agree
and thanks for the input man, good stuff.
this team has survived pretty much as bad a start as could be conceived on paper and they’ve weathered the storm. best is yet to come!
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Oct 10, 2011 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Keisel back was huge - he is the most consistent DLineman now
and he makes everyone else around him better
the adjustments the players on Defense had to make in order to stop the run proved effective – protecting gaps and pursuing the correct angles – they were around the ball they just got blown off a step on the first play from scrimmage – finally we saw something happen against a great runner in CJ and a great OLine
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"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
Very well said
The DL kept constant pressure up the middle and kept up the pursuit when the plays went wide. Also great pursuit by the LB’s and hard hitting and sure tackling by the DB’s Troy and Farrior were relentless. Keisel kept the DL inspired. Quick developing plays by Ben helped to keep the Titans defense off balance. I think that Woodley and Timmons will really step up their game next week. Am looking for a couple of INT’s.
Those are some sweet shades that Deebo was wearing
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He must have borrowed those aviators from Tomlin.
But yeah, I noticed that too.
Life's a journey, not a destination.
I think he was scaring offensive linemen from the sideline. just staring.
by klompus on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
William Gay
I was very pleased with the way Gay played. There were couple of completions he allowed but overall for the abuse he gets he did a decent job.
The announcers mentioned that the Titans avoided Ike Taylor as much as they could.
Speaking of announcers I want Dan Dierdof and Greg Gumbel for every Steelers game. I have a feeling they are biased towards them ;).
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
I have been extremely critical of Gay in the past, but I have to say
He is playing well, and I am glad that Coach Dad didn’t start B-Mac, time to see what the youngsters can do. I was pleasantly surprised with Lewis’s play as well. I am thinking that the addition of one Mr. Lake in the coaching staff is reaping dividends on the young guys, especially Gay.
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 10, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Dierdof was shitting on us the whole way….
Anytime we made a good play on D it was how Tennessee isn’t playing right.
For example we stopped Johnson for a loss on one play, and instead of complimenting us for collapsing the line and snuffing out the play, he says
‘’Chris Johnson just still doesn’t look in sync’’
Like what the hell man…
Didn't catch that
But on the whole I think they were pretty balanced if not biased. Still much better than Simms and Nantz who are simply jock sniffers.
The reason I give them preference is because they appreciate the Steelers and especially Ben’s plays, which I haven’t seen anyone else do.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
not a fan of Dierdorf either
"I think the beard will decide when the time is right to come back. It will know when the time is right and all of a sudden appear." -The Deisel
by count'em_six on Oct 10, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate all national broadcasters
I have WDVE on every Sunday – it’s a little behind the broadcast because of delay but that’s alright – I will sadly add I think Bill Hillgrove is slipping with age or at the very least needs to calm the sauce before broadcast – his calls are off – anyone else notice that this year?
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"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
by TVsCHACHI on Oct 10, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
It’s getting to the point where it’s a rare occasion when he correctly identifies players other than the quarterback. It’s especially bad on passes, when he nearly NEVER gets the receiver right.
Love the guy, and his voice will always be one of prominence in the Black and Gold corner of my heart, but you’re absolutely right.
Those who can...do.
Those who can't... post on message boards using a screen name boasting the name of those who can.
by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Oct 10, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
on Woodley
were you talking about the pass to Nate Washington in this sentence?
On too many plays he was a non-factor, and on at least one occasion in pass coverage, he looked far too slow afoot.if so, you can’t really blame an outside linebacker for being fast enough to cover a quick WR like Nate on a crossing route. I also would like to see the game again to count his pressures, I thought I saw him in Hasselbeck’s face more than just twice… Plus, he got blatantly held on more than one occasion as well (one where the announcers gushed over how great the RT looked while he had his arm wrapped around Woodley’s neck). Granted though, I’m a known Woodley apologist :)
Outside of Woodley, I was extremely encouraged by Ike, Gay, Farrior and our entire defensive line… Finally, we got to see some Steeler defense baby!
Defensive game ball goes to ...
Bruce Arians. It is much easier to get very good defensive play when we are ahead by more than one score for most of the game!!
How did BA do that? Well just what all us arm chair coordinators have advised. TE’s to chip in with help for the tackles. Quick short passing game so the line needs to hold blocks for 3 seconds or less. Runs on first and second down to keep third and short. A little ball control and a little play action. All thus against an above average defense.
My honest opinion is less than 27 points is under performance for this offense.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
27 points? That expectation is a little high...
by HardPunkKore on Oct 10, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree, 27+ is completely reasonable with our talent
especially when we have been used to the Defense scoring as well…
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 10, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
We have more offensive weapons than any Steelers team going back to the 70ss
It is possible to put up 27 each game – keep the other teams to 17 and we’re golden
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
by TVsCHACHI on Oct 10, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Arians
I’m not sure why it took so long for Arians to change. I don’t think it takes a genius to figure it out but for most of the first four games he has refused to give the O-line help. You should really be able to change strategy on the fly. The fact that Arians is doing it now shows how incompetent he is. The question is whether he continues this strategy or reverts back to his 4 and 5 wide formations that have gotten Ben killed even in years past.
Arians hasn’t proven to me that he can do this on a consistent basis.
Lets not hold our breath for BA
to keep a game plan that covers the OL weakness. The ironic thing is BA is easily the best OC in the AFCN at least last year and in a few more games we can say the same for this year.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Oct 10, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Question is
is it BA or is it Ben? I’m sure Ben has just as much control over the offense as BA does.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 11, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy
One of the papers said that Troy was playing in a linebacker position in certain situations. I like this idea. I personally think Troy is slower now at his full speed, but he is still quick. With so many teams lining up with multiple TE’s and throwing underneath, this seems like an area Troy could really excel.
by ballparkfranks on Oct 10, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
We wrote about that
…Sunday before the game. You have to have a guy pursue the backside of zone running plays to cut off the cut-back. His presence was a huge reason why they ran for next to nothing when they started putting him there on run downs (after the first play).
It’s not too different than what they usually do with him, but he’s always on the weak side. The fallback of that is you lose the element of surprise, and limits his big-play ability.
The offense really made it look like a great idea, because they were in passing mode pretty quickly. I’m not sure of its value in pass defense against TEs, but in my opinion, Troy is at his best when he’s close to the line. He’s great in coverage, but forcing teams to throw away from him when he’s that close helps set the defense up down the field.
We’ll need him back against NE, though…however, they really aren’t making the big plays the way they used to. It’ll be interesting.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 10, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Troy at ILB and R. Munday as a safety in Steelers dime, extra ILB to the bench ...
Good that you pointed this out. The Steelers played a lot of dime yesterday, with Troy playing as an ILB, Ryan Mundy in the game as an extra safety and Troy as the ILB with Farrior. When Deebo is healthy, then you can still play this alingnment with Lawrence Timmons as the only ILB on the field and Troy playing as the other. The Steelers might give up a little more against the run, but it will help with them trying to cover those tight ends across the field and the Ray Rice’s of the world out of the backfield.
Yesterday’s game meade me think of what John Gruden said about Heyward during the draft. That Heyward does his best work over the guard on passing downs. I actually think Woodley and Ziggy have developed a chemistry playing together and that it affected Woodley’s performance when Aaron Smith started beside him and was put on his back so much. Why change something that worked so well last year? Time for A. Smith to be a sub.
Max played a really good game yesterday. Having a legit starting LT helps out your offense so much because you can slide your protection to other areas. Here’s hoping Deebo will be back for that Ravens game.
by datruth4life2.0 on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I made a point to watch Starks
and I was quite pleased…
"I think the beard will decide when the time is right to come back. It will know when the time is right and all of a sudden appear." -The Deisel
by count'em_six on Oct 10, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I too think Troy is not
at his DPOY form. Maybe that is speed. I thought it was a form of ‘mental’ rust. Something like that one quarter second longer recognition or third of a second slower reaction time or just his hands being out of place by 4 inches. One thing I do know. Troy has been very close a couple times each game to a change of momentum kind of play.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Oct 10, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what you guys are talking about
Troy looks pretty normal to me.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 11, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I simply think troy is that excellant that
he should have had a couple of interceptions out of all those tantalizingly close calls.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Oct 12, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Farrior
Is still awesome, and it was his jersey I wore to the game. Go old guys go!!
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Oct 10, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
Represent for the AARP crew!!!
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 10, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My Gameball is on Offense
Max Starks FTW! he came in with a one year layoff and less than a week to prepare and held down the LT spot for the whole game – he was in beast mode, definitely gets my game ball.
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
Game Ball to Starks
I don’t think he missed one offensive snap. That’s the guy who was cut just two months ago for being 60 lbs over his playing weight. Heck of conditioning!
Life's a journey, not a destination.
Exactly
I was very impressed not only with play, but stamina as well, I didn’t think he would hold up for the whole game…
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, he was out
for 2 snaps. Very impressive. Tomlin gave him the gameball.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to Hear, he deserved it
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 10, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give my game ball to #7...
5 td’s on one wheel… Enough said. And that last one to Wallace could not have been thrown better. Big ups, Ben!!!
Ben could kick your ass
With one leg…
And yes that deep ball was gorgeous.
Did Ben learn
how not to underthrow the ball to #17? :) Hit him right in stride.
Life's a journey, not a destination.
once again
Ben is hitting Wallace in stride….great to see…
"I think the beard will decide when the time is right to come back. It will know when the time is right and all of a sudden appear." -The Deisel
by count'em_six on Oct 10, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A thing of beauty
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
by TVsCHACHI on Oct 10, 2011 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
damn straight brutha
"I think the beard will decide when the time is right to come back. It will know when the time is right and all of a sudden appear." -The Deisel
by count'em_six on Oct 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Tomlin's comment that Starks came back in "such ridiculously good shape" ...
Think maybe this coaching staff is changing on their opinion of Starks? He’s only 29 years old, so give him another 2 year contract at the end of this year. Colon and Starks, at this stage of their careers, are good tackles (not perennial Pro Bowlers) that you can win with. Gilbert can play guard and you can draft an OT and G in next year’s draft.
BTW, the CB class is loaded for next year’s draft. I think Stevenson Sylvester can start next to Timmons next year. BTW, Craif Wolfley said this past week that the Steelers think CB Cortez Allen is going to be a “special” player. Hope he’s right.
by datruth4life2.0 on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
It wouldn't be the first time
they’ve changed their mind and its good to know they are willing to admit their mistakes. In my opinion letting Starks go was the wrong move. Put him on the PUP list and let him work it off that way.
Next year’s draft may be where we pad the talent. If Sylvester can start next to Timmons at ILB then the only holes we’ll need to really fill on defense is NT, and by hole I mean ‘get younger’. There is nothing that will prepare the team for the loss of Troy so lets just hope he has five more years left in him. As far as the corners go, they may go after someone who could be a shut down #1 guy, Ike heir isn’t obvious yet but we still got two young guys in Allen and Brown. If Allen is going to be that special player then we won’t need to draft a corner early cause Lewis will be a solid #2 and Brown should be a good #3 and you can keep gay or Mcfadden for cheap as a #4 guy (after ike leaves/declines).
On offense we may need to draft a backup QB and let dixon/batch go. With Batch coming back next year at RB there is no need to really fill that spot. I think Weslye is going to be a good TE so there’s no need there. I’d like to see us try to sign Plaxico again in the offseason as our #4 WR now it seems that the Jets experiment is crashing on him. We could have 1 Wallace 2 Sanders 3 Brown 4 Plaxico and 5 Ward/Battle (if ward doesn’t retire) But we’d only need 5 WRs with that group. that leaves the line. So I could see the draft going like this
1. NT
2. G
3. T
4. LB
5. S
6. CB
7. DE
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 10, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the main reason they let starks go
was because of his huge salary hit (somewhere around $6 million?), at least according to Starks himself. I am willing to bet that the weight was an issue as well, but it wasn’t the only issue
There are a few NT that might be there at Pick 32
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"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
by TVsCHACHI on Oct 10, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lack of Physicality, Opening Drive, and defense of Naysayerism...
Michael – great summary of many (though) not all of the key points in the game.
First, while I too get annoyed by the frequent tendency of Steelers Nation to delve into knee-jerkism. But it is also fair to say that the Steelers played poorly at several points in the first four games. No, this was not an inept team, but the moral of the story is a that a few break downs can cause major havoc for a team. And while one does not want to go too far I don’t think there’s anything wrong with criticizing our beloved Black and Gold when the situation merits it.
Regarding the lack of physicality, let’s just say that this is an issue which is not going away. Yes, Gerry Dulac did dismiss it (gee, how did he find out about what Neal said, hum…) but Bill Cowher also mentioned wishing he had an other two pad week practice in his pocket. Frankly, I hope the coaches can convince the NFLPA to give coaches more flexibility here they should get a couple of two full pads practices to use during the season. One simply seems to little.
That opening drive was sickening, but I think that the way the defense turned it on in the Red Zone was the turning point of a game where the Steelers reaffirmed the simple credo that “The Standard is the Standard.”
by Hombre de Acero on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
Fun to watch
That was a great game all the way around by Pittsburgh. Miscommunication between Lewis and Clark (might have been Mundy???) led to a touchdown, but other than that they played all aspects very well. It was encouraging to see the young D-linemen playing with conviction. Hoke played great too, but we need to find our future franchise NT as soon as possible.
I like the idea of bringing Polamalu up and as a linebacker/corner at times. If Polamalu steps up and covers Welker 1 on 1 on October 30th, we might be watching a great game. I didn’t pay too much attention to WIlliam Gay’s performance, which says a lot. Usually I notice Gay because he is getting lit up by the QB and WR. I didn’t see that in this game. Lewis also played very well, not sure on his stats, but it looked like he was comfortable and knew what he was doing.
On to the offense… Bruce Arians called one of his best games that I can remember. It is foolish to keep playing the same style of football when it isn’t working. I like the short routes that kept the chains moving. The running was the best I have seen all year. Redman and Dwyer played with a purpose and kept moving their feet and pushing for more. If it was up to me, Redman would be my starting RB for the rest of the year. He hit his holes, he was physical, he protected the ball, he picked up the blitz, he had speed, he made good decisions, he fought for his yards. His numbers weren’t phenominal, but his impact was tremendous. Hines Ward put his money were his mouth was yesterday. He voiced displeasure at his lack of productivity and Ben heard him. Watching the old man hurdle a CB for a touchdown was beautiful!!! Heath Miller has always been great, but it seemed like he gave even more yesterday than usual. Ben made great decisions the vast majority of the game (pre halftime was the biggest hiccup I saw), was able to hang onto the ball when he got sacked (I was certain that was a fumble), made good reads and threw the ball well. The O-line finally looked in sync this week, which made EVERYTHING possible on offense. Hopefully the continuity grows and they keep playing together well. They blocked the pass and run very well and gave Ben enough time to make throws down the field.
HERE WE GO….!!!
It's funny
The first 4 games showed some major flaws that didn’t seem correctable: an absolute mess of an OL, no pass rush, and a DL that was getting pushed off the line. I’ll typically give them the benefit of the doubt for a game or two, but that was 4, so I was convinced this was a .500 team. On the 21 yard (or whatever) run, I saw Keisel throw a tackle into the backfield, only to have CJ cut back and get upfield, but I said to myself, “I haven’t seen that all year”, and had renewed hope. I said it again when Woodley got off a block and got several pressures early on. On offense, the Titans had exactly the sort of DL that gets Ben killed and leaves us wondering why we can’t run the ball, but our OL dominated the whole game. Did we have a 4 week hangover? Did Keisel and Starks have that much of an impact? Did the Titans just have an off day? Are we going to keep it up? I don’t know, but I’m not resigned to calling us a .500 team anymore.
This is a sidenote, but I’d like to give a shoutout to Keenan Lewis. He’s been the #2 CB for a couple games now and he’s showing me he can bump and run and stick with WR’s. I’m not sure if he was responsible for the one TD or not – it looked like he released his man and Mundy was late getting there – but if it was a mistake, it wasn’t because he got beat physically. He got his hands on one pass, and he’s had some good coverage downfield on other plays. I’m not saying he’s there yet, and we all fell in love with McFadden an Gay in limited playing time, but I’m buying into his potential for now.
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Keisel has probably been our best d-linemen this year, and I think you could tell the freshness of evander and cam showed quite a bit yesterday
Word - Keisel is the man right now on DLine
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"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
by TVsCHACHI on Oct 10, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
limited playing time?
I’m not sure the entire 2008 season with McFadden at #2 and Gay covering the slot counts as limited playing time… Remember, we had the #1 pass defense in the league that year. I think that Gay’s struggles as a starter the next year got his confidence way down and McFadden was never truly healthy with us anymore, but on top of their games they were a quite serviceable #2 and #3 corner combo behind Ike :)
Well
McFadden missed a lot of time so we basically saw half a season of BMac and half a season of Gay as a starting CB. I wouldn’t count NB as very indicative of overall CB skills since it’s a different duties and different competition than outside CB. The both were outstanding that year albeit with an outstanding supporting cast. Since then neither has been great and Gay in partic
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by BadMaafala on Oct 10, 2011 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*In particular has shown distinct weaknesses. That could certainly happen with Lewis but I like what I’ve seen so far.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carnell Lake
Coach Lake appears to have given the secondary a boost. He was a great player.
I still think that
the criticism the Steelers have taken so far this season has been warranted. As a fan, it is my wish to see a team that has the talent to compete for a Super Bowl every year to play to that level. I don’t want these years “wasted”. Although, I did love what I saw.
-Johnson’s first run from scrimmage went for 21 yards, but just looking at it, it looked like he should have been taken down for a loss or no gain. I was just happy we had men in the vicinity on the outside. This didn’t happen the 1st 4 weeks.
-Starks made a huge difference. Although I’d say this was probably the most motivated he’s ever been to prove his doubters wrong. Having him play the whole game at LT allowed Scott to play RT for Gilbert when Gilbert was sidelined. That kept the drop-off at RT minimal.
-With Starks back they seemed to cover up Legs pretty good between Pouncey and Starks.
-I watched Lewis most of the 2nd half and loved what I saw. Great tackles by him, not allowing the receiver any extra yards after the catch and forcing the offense to pick its way down the field.
-Woodley’s interception was great, he had an o-linemen draped all over him, but overall I was still not too impressed…..maybe my amateur eyes should be.
-Nobody has brought up Redman. I would say that I was happy with his performance. He seemed to consistently turn a 2 yard play into a 3 or 4 yarder and at least didn’t dance. He pushed up field and got the 2 yards, and not the no gain.
-Ben played great, though I was pissed at his greediness on the final drive. Don’t get sacked, and don’t throw that interception. Spike the ball like everyone else in the stadium thought you were doing and go up 21 at half.
-That fake punt was genius. Can’t remember the last time one of those was executed.
-Ryan Clarks’ bone headed play on the first drive. Led with his face and shoulder after the guy was out by 2 yards.
-Polamalu at LB and Mundy at S was great. This brings much more pass defense and athleticism on passing downs. Can’t wait to see it with Timmons and Harrison.
Long post, still didn’t talk about everything. It’s always an easier week when the Steelers win. Heyward was a beast.
Have a great day fellas (and gals)
I'm not impressed with Woodley either
The real test is still to come with New England. We’ll see how good Keenan and Gay are. I have a good vibe so far with them.
I remember hearing Keisel say in an interview at some point last season that the Steelers were undefeated when Hoke starts. When Hoke comes in, you may not get the splash plays, but the position is not a hole. He’s everything you could ever ask for in a back up and I’m happy to see him get a lil love this week after a job well done.
As for Keisel, do they keep stats on balls batted at the line of scrimmage? I’d swear he averages one a game.
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You are much appreciated! Great post as usual, I don’t bother going anywhere else but here for my Steelers related info. and said as much during the recent poll you asked us to take.
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thanks man
appreciate the support. glad you found us.
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by Michael Bean on Oct 11, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Keisel,Hoke,Hood were a big reason the defence lookd like what we expect to see on a weekly basis..maybe that should be the 3 to continue,they got good pressure up front all day,allowing the linebackers to do their normal terroizing. i love Smith and Hampton,but maybe their time is up,or needs to have a limited role.The offensive line playd brilliant, man it was good to see Starks back were he belongs,Arians didnt hold back and had good protection formations to help Ben and the O-line..and was it just me,or did Mendy look real nervous on the sidelines watching Redman and Dwyer run with purpose? Well he should be.The 2 wild cards on defence even playd really well [ Gay and Lewis ] all and all a good bounce back game for the men in black and gold
Can we talk about how good Dwyer looked?
If he wants to take being in shape and knowing the playbook more seriously, that dude has a ton of talent, and could be THE steal of last year’s draft. As to Mendy, well, perhaps, but you can’t have enough good running backs, in part because staying healthy is hard.
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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 11, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Great post Mike
can’t be more happy to see Heyward get a sack (almost two). it took ziggy much longer to do what heyward has done in his first year, we will have a couple of very good bookends for the future…and i hope kiesel sticks around for much longer too
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