AFC North Round Up: Steelers and Bengals Improve to 4-2, Still Trail Ravens After Week 6

**AFC North Standings (through Week 6)**
Team	Record	Div. Record	Conf. Record	Streak	Scoring Differential
Baltimore Ravens	4-1	1-0	3-1	Won 3	+77
Cincinnati Bengals	4-2	1-0	4-1	Won 3	+26
Pittsburgh Steelers	4-2	0-1	3-2	Won 2	+17
Cleveland Browns	2-3	0-1	2-3	Lost 2	-26

we are doomed!

we will lose to the pats, and will give the ravens a 2game lead..

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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 17, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions

Really?

Another one of these?

I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with you after the Steelers actually lose a game.

by Riddlah. on Oct 17, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

lol

R U this pessimistic in all areas of your life or is it just with the 6 time SB champs?

by steeler fever on Oct 17, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

NYC while i don't go that far, you have a valid point.

There are currently 8 teams with records as good as ours in the AFC and two other pretty good teams lurking (jets and texans). NOW if we don’t win our division could 12-4 be the required record to make the wilcard? I mean the wildcard might be an 11-5 record with a tiebreaker needed.

This may be a year you have to win your division or run the risk of missing the playoffs at 10-6? that may make the ravens game a MUST win unless a lot of these AFC teams start losing a lot of games. this will be a very interesting season, wouldn’t that be crazy if a team goes 11-5 and misses the playoffs? that’s the problem with NFL parity, it goes both ways.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

* as good as ours or better

titans only played 5 games so they are 3-2 but 8 teams have 4-2 or better records in the AFC.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions

you can't deny, that we are not a good football team at this time..

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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 17, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions

i agree with you and if this season plays out like it looks like it will then

AZ is a MUST-MUST win unless we can beat both the pats and ravens after losing to AZ.

to leave any margin of error, we cannot under any circumstances lose to AZ.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Still too much football left to be played.

Get out from underneath that desk and man up! Sheesh!

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 17, 2011 10:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

plenty of football left but many good teams out there

if you don’t win your division you are in real trouble, just look at the the way it is playing out. I am man enough to be know we have not beat any good teams on the road and only one good team at home.

i am all man boy!

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Hahaha!

Thanks for taking that the right way!

Yep, it would be tough this year as a wild card. Ratbirds look good, Bungles aren’t a factor. We have to play Steeler football and take care of biznatch.

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 18, 2011 1:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I dont see anyway we win the division out right

think the best the steelers can hope for is a tie at seasons end, and tie breakers are not in our favor…. presuming we both play thru our division equally….that puts us at some poor tie breaking scenerios….including rec’s against common opponents …we lost to Houston the Ravens won…and then strength of victory head to head…we are not rolling it up on the Ravens next time round even if were lucky enough to beat them…. which makes every conference game we play here out a MUST win…. Also think the ravens have a much better chance of beating San Diego then we have of beating NE… if this all holds true…. we got a bit of a break in Oakland losing their QB…. at the moment Buffalo is the other wild card… and losing to Houston hurts as well….thecy might have 1 more loss, but consider their division… would be best for them to win the division for our wildcard hopes… and consider Oakland, they also only have the Chargers whom are serious contenders…. truth be told…..both Buffalo and the Raiders are playing with heart… my hope is we slide in on a week 17 wildcard… less these teams collapse….. quite honestly… can see us also losing a game or too weve all counted in the win column already…… heres hopin the fat lady hasnt sung

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions

I can

we are a good football team just inconsistent, just like every other team in the AFC. I see flaws in every team.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 18, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions

+1

We are way too spoiled a fan base.

by mtsnot on Oct 18, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Right now

We don’t stand a chance against the pats, ravens,or bills, all of which are more consistent than the steelers at this point in the season. They will only get better, and all three gave us serious problems last year. The steelers would have lost the bills game had it not been for the dropped pass. The ravens game was decided by 3, and we know how the pats dismantled the vaunted D. I also think the bengals will give the steelers a run for their money. I expected it to be the browns, but they’ve got problems, but will still be a firecracker late in the season. That’s not even counting the Texans. I don’t think 10-6 gets a playoff spot, which will leave the jets out, even if they can win 8.

Probabilities. It boils down to probabilities, and right now, they are not in the steelrs’ favor. They remind me of the 09 squad. Having said that, it’s not impossible. If they can somehow play consistent football…

by IronJake on Oct 18, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions

Every win counts

Who would have seen the division in such a tight race so far? I certainly ruled out the Bungholes but they’re playing some smart football right now. They’ll probably suck later on when we play them, but for now they’re keeping it interesting.

Cleveland sucks and this is a well established fact but even they aren’t the worst team in the league, not by a long shot.

So our division is shaping up to be quite the show and every single win we can get will be really important.

by Mechem on Oct 17, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

Bungles are playing lucky footbal and it won't last.

They’ve won three games by under 4 points if I remember correctly…they’ll finish very not-threateningly in 3rd.

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 17, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

what good teams have we beat?

TITANS

thats a pretty fucking short list.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

well, who did the ravens beat?

we suck…right now, the jets? A banged up texans team?

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" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 17, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

i'm not saying the ravens are all that but they beat us soundly

and when they made it personal and unleashed on their old defensive coordinator, sexy rexy, it was quite impressive.

both ravens and us may be setting up for some big falls beating easy teams doesn’t set you up for deep playoff runs.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

ravens beat us, jets and texans lost titans

that is light years ahead of us beating titans, jax, seattle and colts.

the jets and texans teams that ravens played are not the cupcakes of jax, seattle and colts.

no NFL team is truly cupcake but relatively speaking ravens have had a tougher schedule than us so far. that is why i doubt you can tell how good this steeler team is until after the pats or ravens game, unless we lose to AZ then that throws a monkey wrench into the whole mess.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

you just like to stir up shit huh?

I’ve noticed that about you. Yes, you are polite, and obviously intelligent, your analysis’ are pretty in depth, but over all, you really just like starting shit don’t you?

by FrankWyt on Oct 17, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions

not true, i say it as i see it.

maybe you just don’t like it i will say what i feel, nothing more nothing less. NYC stirred it up way more than I did, she thinks we will lose to AZ, i think we can and need to win the next 3 games to with the division. going into the wildcard mix will be much harder this year than typical years or so it appears now.

why so sensitive?

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions

Lol, i'm not sensitive

I am just “calling it as I see it” I don’t care either way, if I’m right, and you do like to, sweet, if I’m wrong, and you don’t, it’s all the same. It’s not just this comment, that was a general statement. I’ve seen you respond to people’s comments with completely unnecessary comments that were not made for any other reason than to stir up shit. Yes, you could be right in any given instance, “calling it like you see it” is usually reserved for when you are voluntarily giving your opinion, or you are asked for it.
But as I’ve said, I don’t care either way, but it’s still funny to me

And also again, your posts are always insightful, and great, I love them. I can’t think of any place on Earth where I can get the kind of information you regularly give us, words can’t express how grateful I am for that. Thank you!

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions

i apologize if you think i am stirring shit up

and sometimes i get carried away and get too much into it and try to prove i am right, that’s a bad habit but i mean no disrespect and sorry if you took it that way.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

please don't apologize

I was just trying to “play along” honestly, I told you, and I meant it, I don’t care either way. That’s not a character flaw in my opinion. Shit is so “p.c” that people need things to be stirred up. You’re not an asshole about it, you just provide your opinion, and speak strongly about it. That is awesome to me.
i wasn’t being sarcastic, I have nothing but respect for you, i LOVE your articles, and that’s all i have to say about that

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions

i do have strong opinions

but i definitely don’t want to come across as arrogant b/c i am just one guy with one opinion.

all good!

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

you do have a hint of it

but that’s what makes people successful, in general, so no reason to worry.

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Being confident

and sharp is sometimes confused with condescension and arrogance. But -

Shit is so "p.c" that people need things to be stirred up.

I agree. In more ways than one, and not only in regard to sports.

by IronJake on Oct 18, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions

He's got it right...... you can look at the glass being half full, or half empty.... truth is everyone misses the point of what your drinking....

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions

the half full/half empty theory

is bullshit.
If the glass was full, and you drank half, it’s half empty
If the glass was empty, and you filled it up half way, it’s half full
If you found some magical glass that was born half empty/full, then you should video tape it

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions

you hit the point right on the head....

so busy looking and talking about the glass…..youve missed the fact steelers have been playing “b” ball… and KK99’s expressing the facts to bring that to light….is spot on…..so i dont know wtf your talking about buddy

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions

what i would be talking about

went over your head, and you didn’t really get it, or chose to ignore what was actually going on.
He is pointing out statistics and other facts that have no personality, or no baring on what happens later. They can tell you what did happen, but can NEVER tell you what’s going to happen.
However, since it’s obvious you have a certain agenda, i will just say “you are right”
I don’t care if the Steelers play “z” ball or “f” if you want to go in grade terms, as long as the end result is a win.There have been worse signs of collapse than this year, and it’s early, and they aren’t out of it.

I’m guessing you read the first couple comments, then commented yourself. That’s fine. you seem hell bent on determining the season is over, and the Steelers suck, that’s fine as well. I just don’t get what you’re trying to accomplish

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions

no clue whom your talking too.....

now problem here…… from what Ive been reading…..hes been point out facts…. and if you look at teams in the race…..who’s play whom, what schedule remains for all teams…..and the tie breaker scenerio…. steelers will be lucky to get a wildcard birth this yr?… you find that truth offensive?…. if it were all about personality….where was it week one when we had our jox straps handed to us?…. Im as big a steeler fan youll find here….been one for 42 yrs now…. doesnt mean I cant see the short comings of our play this yr…

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions

no clue?

it was just under what you said, but slightly to the right..how is that confusing?
Nope, i don’t find that offensive, as i’ve said, if you read the whole thing, it would make sense.
I didn’t “find the truth offensive”, you, however picked out one comment, ignored the context, and came up with what you said.

However, what you are saying, is it’s all over
what i was saying is, there have been better end results out of worse situations than what’s going on

For example in the infamous 09 season, we would have lost to the Colts, Seahawks, and Jaguars
Just sub those three for “Browns, Chiefs, and Raiders”
But….this time, those three week opponents ended up with L’s

so, regardless of how the win happens, the win happens

09 was WAY worse.
We’ve beaten teams we should beat because we’re better, and lost to one team we should have beat.
Going in to week 7, that’s not as bad as you make it out to be

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions

oops, i meant

worse results out of worse situations. The current situation isn’t horrible yet. There have been better results out of way worse situations (05) etc…

the point is…you know nothing about what’s going to happen
I know nothing about what’s going to happen
and kk thinks he has the mathematical equation of what’s going to happen

But the end result will in all likelihood prove all of our ideas wrong

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions

thats your opinion.........

ive taken nothing out of context, though it is hard to debate a point with you when you have no current foundation in this yrs steelers play to argue your point…. In fact, its a bunch of wish-hope-yrs past views….. thats fine…..but… I see things at the moment…and only revisit the past to reference winning methods….

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions

The foundation is simple

The offense can be unstoppable if Ben get his shit together.
And the defense is playing well enough to get the job done, if the unstoppable offense does it’s job.

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

ravens beat us, jets and texans lost titans

that is light years ahead of us beating titans, jax, seattle and colts.

Glad one Steeler fan finally realized this.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 18, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions

yea but you have a wildcard too, flacco

he is no oh-no-romo but i think you are better leaving your D on the field the whole time and locking the offense in the locker room.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions

Thanks for the advice, I’ll make sure to consider your brilliant insight.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 18, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions

flacco is no doubt improving i'll say that

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions

and to control your destiny you have to beat us at heinz

otherwise you are in the same situation as us with a veteran team that knows how to peak at the end of the season. you guys are no packers when you let the offense out of the locker room. and you lost to the titans (albeit on the road).

week 9 may decide who wins the division if both teams play similarily well in weeks 10-17. for as impressive as you were against the jets if you lose to us at home you are just another decent team like us. you guys better sack up you are obviously not as good on the road like everyone else.

not time to be overconfident just yet IMHO:)

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions

you are obviously not as good on the road like everyone else.

We are 1-1 on the road, not exactly the largest sample size to judge by. Our matchup in 3 weeks does worry me though. I get the feeling Ben will have a monster game. I’ll be happy to hold him to 275 that game.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 18, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions

i am saying you are vulnerable b/c you lost to the titans

packers beat ATL in their dome and that is no easy task and they squeaked by Carolina at their house. i forget who else they played so it probably was a weak team on the road.

i am not saying you are a bad road team but you are closer to the top 8-10 AFC teams when you are on the road. in the beginning of the season b/c of the lockout i think home teams had a bigger advantage than normal but as the season gets deeper this should disappear.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions

You guys are 0-2 on the road, so what does that say about your team? I guess it means you are closer to a top 15 AFC team when on the road.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions

first of all we are 1-2 on the road and lucky to be that

we beat indy with a -2 TO margin on the road which if you include week 6 of this year that has happened 28 total times out of 1434 games.

i never said we are a good road team and that is what worries me the most not to mention that we would have had a -2 TO margin in every road game except that the texans made 2-3 dumb penalties that called back at least 2 turnovers.

bottom line, you guys can win this division in week 9 or we can beat you and throw a monkey wrench into the mess and then it will be a typical year where it comes down to the end of the season.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

last year

They got embarrassed by the Saints, Pats, and frankly, losing to your ratbirds with our 4th string qb was downright embarrassing too, you had no business winning that game.
But they eventually pulled it together, stopped your parade only 35 minutes into it when it was supposed to be an hour long parade, but beat the other team in the way, on the way to a Super Bowl.
Using a “you did this against x so you can’t do this against y” is stupid, means nothing, and is almost never relevant.
Especially when considering a team like the Steelers, who reload instead of rebuild, in most cases.

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions

bengals have a good D and improving weekly

that part is not luck, dalton green combo might be a little lucky but we will see.

obviously anything can change on a dime otherwise ravens are a lock to win the division and we will be lucky to get in as a wildcard. because right now these are the for real AFC teams:

Chargers
Raiders
Titans
Texans
Ravens
Steelers
Bengals
Pats
Bills
Jets

There are many AFC teams that are real bad so all the wins are accumulating at the top, four teams have only won 2 games in total and Chiefs and Browns are pretty bad, so six bad teams and 10 good teams, that’s why we are in 3rd place with a 4-2 record.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the sky is blue...

what do you think? would you say that statistically, if you live in Alaska, that the sky is mostly black, meaning that there’s no way I could realistically assume that the sky is blue?

by FrankWyt on Oct 17, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions

what's the problem?

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions

Good 3 team race

I think it will go down to the wire to win the division. The Steelers and Ravens will be in it no doubt, but i want to see how the Bengals can fare against the us and Baltimore. Browns just suck

by Lamarr56 on Oct 17, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions

Only thing suprising me is the Bungles being

4-2. How does that happen?

by steeler fever on Oct 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions

they are getting better by the week.

bengals (can’t call them bungles right now) lost at mile high stadium which is a tough place to play and lost to the 49ers at home in a 13-8 game. they beat bills at home too, i think their defense is for real.

we need to improve quickly and beat ravens and pats (we might need both wins to win our division) or we are going to be in the wildcard race. that is a real problem because there are so many good teams even houston and jets at 3-3 are clearly on our level.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

the jets suck hard

please stop including them

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 17, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions

f*ck the jets you don't need them, there are plenty of good teams

if you look closely you will see we are one amongst many

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions

BUT jets are not as bad as you think

lost to NE where no one has won since beginning 2009 during the regular season, lost to ravens who have an exceptional D and Oakland who is pretty damn good too.

PLUS jets lost all 3 of these games on the road, with the way we have played on the road we would be 0-3 too. And Jets beat Cowboys (albeit lucky b/c oh-no-romo showed up) and Cowboys are still a good team now that Moses has a hold of their D.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions

if we played jest schedule we would be 2-4, not 4-2

what good teams have we beat? Titans are the best team, seattle? jacksonville? colts?
next we have AZ, they mostly suck but are much better at home.

this is not good playing these marginal teams when we go up against the pats and ravens two and three weeks from now, we need to play better teams to get better.

if you made me bet on us vs. the jets on a neutral field right now I would bet on the jesters. beating the Titans at home is our only real good game this year. We should have lost to the Colts b/c we had a -2 TO margin against them BUT they are so bad we somehow pulled it out.

You are dreaming if you think we are so much better than the Jets right now and aren’t looking at strength of schedule.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree.

First off, we generally play up to the level of our competition. So if we played the Jets schedule, we may very well be at the same spot. That’s how we do things historically.

On top of that, we beat the Jets most times we play them.

I just can’t say the Jets are on our level based on record/strength of schedule. They’ve got a growing chasm in their locker room (thanks, Captain Santonio Holmes, way to be a “leader”).

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

come on man

we are not a good road team just like the jets only they already played a harder road schedule than we did. cowboys would have probably beat us at home the way we are playing and we would have beaten JAX and MIA handily.

WE are damn lucky to be 1-2 and not 0-3 on the road and that is with a much easier schedule than the jesters.

KEEP in mind we beat the colts on the road with a -2 turnover margin which has happened only 27 times in the last 6 years.

jets are getting their 2nd easy game tonite against the fins and it shows.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

the colts did not out play us!

we dominated them big on yardage.

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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 17, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

but we turned it over twice more than they did and that trumps any stat in existence

the turnovers on the road are mostly because of our weak O-line too so what does that say?

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions

that is most certainly incorrect

Points off turnovers COULD be important, but if those points off turnovers are less than your overall score, it means not a damn thing.
Turnovers are not the Jesus of stats…they CAN be a huge indicator, but they can also mean absolutely nothing.
the only stat that trumps anything, is final score.
Everything else is open to ANALysis, or whatever else, but the ONLY stat the will EVER matter is final score.

by FrankWyt on Oct 17, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

*that, not, "the will ever"... i should slow down.

by FrankWyt on Oct 17, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

if you look at the turnover statistics you will see what i am talking about

and it’s not straight turnovers, it is how many times you turnover the ball in relation to your opponent.

winning is the only thing that matters and that is why a -2 turnover margin win by the visiting team has occurred only 27 times in the last 5 years and to date thru this year. you could still theoretically win if you turned over the ball 7 times on the road vs. your opponent 0 times but it has never happened.

of the 27 times the -2 TO margin has happened in recent history, steelers did it twice and giants did it 4X, three in 2007 when they won the Super Bowl. my data only covers regular season so i can’t speak for the playoffs but i bet it is similiar.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions

No, I get it man

It is a bad stat, and 99% of the time, when turnovers are involved, it’s a “story of the game” . Just giving a “counter-point” that the score is what matters.
I understand you look at the mathematical/statistical aspect of everything, and as I’ve stated, I appreciate that, i love counter points

That said, according to stats, the Steelers didn’t beat the Colts earlier this year

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

steelers just overcame a very difficult statistic

and got a critical turnover at the perfect time which is what a winning team does. nothing is impossible and any statistic can be overcome. was it luck? a good team showing through? i don’t know but i do believe the next 3 games are critical b/c we won’t get another crack at the ravens deep in the season when it would be ideal.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions

yeah, can't argue there

I think they should beat Arizona without too much of a fight. But if they lose, I’ll be convinced the year is done, lol.
But crazier things have happened, so what if they beat the Cards, then come back and blow the Pats and Ravens out…yeah, not likely, but you can’t say you haven’t seen crazier in the NFL

It would be REEEEEALY nice for us to not lose to the Cards, i may hide in my house the whole week.

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Maybe their 10-0 loss in qtrs 3 and 4 of this past game will make them hungry

Who did we play after the Colts this year?

by RobertM on Oct 18, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions

texans i think?

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions

yeah

was Houston…then after the almost TWO game wake up call, they finally played well against Houston

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions

oops Tennessee

i fudging suck at typing today

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions

cards are like a black hole at this point

anything is possible i think like the FA period this NFL year is going to be wilder than ever. who knows what is going to come out of that AZ game, maybe i will go that is a nice stadium.

i think the steelers are a great team but they are just not shining thru right now, especially when you compare us to the rest of the AFC.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions

AJ Green and Dalton

These two have really jelled. AJ Green is a force and their defense seems to have a little attitude this year.

I get alot of Cincy games here and AJ Green is fun to watch. He catches everything. Nate Clements has actually given them a little tougher mindset on defense.

by Yount on Oct 17, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions

it's going to be a huge effort to win your division and/or get into the wildcard in the AFC

unless some of these teams are just posing and start losing streaks. the AFC Championship Winner is going to be a super-tough and immensely challenged team, they will either win the Super Bowl b/c they went thru so much getting there or be so beat up that the NFC wins again.

anything is possible in this bizarre lockout year, if steelers can put it together they can be the first team in 40 years to lose the Super Bowl and come back the next year to win.

GO STEELERS!

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree with you

I just looked at the ravens remaining sked- the only two remaining opponents who made the playoffs last year are seattle and indy…. the ravens could lose to SF, but they should be heavily favored in every matchup (save our Steelers, of course)

by Ward-Wallace 2012 on Oct 17, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions

we could lose to SF too.

but they have 49ers at home on that West to East 1:00 game which is a huge disadvantage for West Coast teams. And they can’t play that trick where they stayed in Youngstown in between East coast games b/c they play AZ at home week before travelling to the home of The Wire.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

* we could lose to SanFran 49ers or they could go the way of

Josh McDaniel’s 6-0 Broncos before he went on like a 20 game losing streak:)

NFL parity is crazy and intense, CAN’T WAIT!

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

we will lose this weekend too!

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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 17, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions

AZ is way more inconsistent and they are great at finding creative ways to lose.

and we have to beat them BUT i noticed how our weak schedule is setting us up for a huge problem when we face two pretty good teams in the pats and ravens back to back. having a cupcake schedule makes you feel good until you run into an offensive buzz saw like brady or a defense like the ravens.

titans is our one real good test this year every other good team we pretty much laid down except that texans wanted to give us the game with all their dumb penalties.

if we lose to AZ this week then i will say you were pretty much right on BUT I think it is too early to see where we are until after the ravens game if we beat AZ.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions

And the also have Alex Smith at QB for Christ's sake.

by RobertM on Oct 18, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions

but he is playing better now, crazy enthusiastic coach has somehow brought him back from the dead

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions

I'll settle for a 45 yard hail mary attempt to win the game by the team coached by that crazy

enthusiastic coach of theirs. LOL

by RobertM on Oct 18, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions

as long as

Troy is playing, that is.

by RobertM on Oct 18, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions

bengals only lost by two in mile high stadium 24-22 in the 2nd game of the year

and get this broncos scored 24 points which is most any team has scored on bengals this year.

49ers also appear to have a very good defense and it makes sense that they and bengals played an 8-13 game.

don’t sleep on cincy, especially on the road:)

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think anyone is doomed just yet. Remember, the best teams don't always show it in September and October.

by Anthony Defeo on Oct 17, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

typically that is true but winning the division may be critical this year

if you look at how many “good teams” there are in the AFC, you may need 11-5 to land a wildcard spot if things keep playing out the way they are. so if you lose to the pats and ravens in october you are forced to run the table to win our division or even get into the wildcard (and hope ravens lose 3 more than you do).

ravens have a schedule on par with ours as this is the way the NFL does it so you either beat the ravens in october and finish with a better record than them, if you lose to them twice you lose control of your destiny because you need them to melt down and lose a lot while you run the table.

by kk99 on Oct 17, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

dude, whatever you say

he’ll say you’re wrong…
if you say you’re not jealous of Tom Brady because he’s married to Giselle, he will give you a 12 point presentation of why you are jealous, because of everything that is great about her.

by FrankWyt on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

and mix it in

with irrelevant “facts”

by FrankWyt on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

funny:)

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions

I am not convinced on the Bengals this year..

Are the Cowboys better than the Steelers? I would say, no. Yet they went into Foxborough and lost a game they should have won because they stopped playing with a late 4th qtr lead. I see the Ravens as the scariest team we have to face. If our O-line can jell a bit more and our running game continues like 6 or the last eight quarters, I like our chances in December and beyond. We need to smack the Patriots in the mouth. That would be a statement and we have the capability to do it. This has been a crazy season so far. Can’t wait for it to play out.

by RobertM on Oct 18, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions

we can win the next 3 games and to totally control our destiny that would be ideal.

by kk99 on Oct 18, 2011 12:32 AM EDT reply actions

Yeah. It won't be easy but neither is winning SBs.

by RobertM on Oct 18, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Which reminds me...

We’ll need that kind of momentum cause if we do it, we will likely have a rematch of the last SB. THAT will be the toughest game by far should we get there.

by RobertM on Oct 18, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Can anyone say in 6 games weve played up to the "standard" ?....

I havent seen it……

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 3:32 AM EDT reply actions

what do you mean?

the “standard” is winning games, so i’d say with confidence that we have played up to the standard 4 times.

But if you mean thorough domination, twice.

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions

you must be watching different football games then me

becaue I dont consider giving the ball to a far lesser team with a min to go and a chance to win the game out right the “standard”

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions

well, your "standard' is not what the Steeler standard is

It’s winning..period
Like when Parker said “we’re not playing Steeler football”. He thought he knew something special too.
But Tomlin justly corrected him in pointing out that “Steeler football” was winning games.
So, your opinion about variables during a game that happen to EVERY team, no matter what, are sort of irrelevant.
But if you are so sad about the current state of affairs, there are some up and comers like the Lions and Bills that you can defect to? Maybe they have the formula for the “OR69” standard..and maybe that’s better?

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions

You obviously just like to blow hot air......

Winning is alot more then "w"’s…. its playing with heart for 60 minutes….and they have yet to play more then a half of football in any game…..

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 3:52 AM EDT reply actions

no, it's really not

it’s having a higher score than the other team when the final second ticks off
the Steelers have won plenty of games only being successful in one half of play
actually there are very recent examples (division round vs Ravens, AFCCG against the Jets, Sunday against the Jags) there is a lot more, but you get the point. And really, the Steelers were only good for 20 minutes Sunday, they still won

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Winning is

beating your opponent into the ground for 50 play off. and 50 plays def….till they dont have the will to get up…… and thats the way to achieve the “standard”….winning Super Bowls

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 4:02 AM EDT reply actions

no

that is called college football, ohio state vs troy domination/pummeling
that doesn’t happen much in the nfl
are you a new Steeler fan?
Do you remember the 5th and 6th super bowl winning seasons?
or last years super bowl losing team?

by FrankWyt on Oct 18, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions

your out of your league here talking steeler football frank

if u read back to a previous reply to one of your posts on this thread youll have your answer…. to tired to argue with a door knob at 130 am…. enjoy your morning-day-evening ……Im sure we’ll have a chance to chat some more steeler football another day..

by OR69faithfull on Oct 18, 2011 4:36 AM EDT reply actions

Steelers still could "gel"- OL has better parts, Lewis plays press corner, Redman carries up the gut, etcinside

The Steelers have played some games that were weak by their standards. But the possibility for gelling is there. Last year McFadden was hopeless and could not press at the corner at all, but now Lewis shows some potential. Last year we had neither Gilbert nor Starks at tackle late in the season. Last year the “young money” receivers were just emerging. Also, Troy was limping at the end of the year and Deebo was playing with a bad back.. The parts are there for the Steelers to play so much better than they have so far. the NE game will be so telling as a mid-season report card.

by buddydial on Oct 18, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions

last year..

We stopped the run! What was RR rushing yds VS us last year?? I will not sing the praises of the secondary until I see how they do against Brady and Flacco..

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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 19, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions