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What's wrong with the Run D? Here's your answer.

Now, at the moment most of us are on Panic Island and considering suicide. It's understandable. I'm upset, my hate is building (you'll see it later this week) and I too am bothered and frustrated as you all are.

I think it's really important to examine WHY our Run D is faltering and in particular examine the players involved. So this is an in-depth view of our run D and it's various components.

 

And more importantly, the future I see for our D. Because I'm sick of hearing all the doom and gloom here, you might find solace in some good news.

Star-divide

The first thing everybody will cry about is how the run defense is faltering. This is definitely a concern. But there is a lot more to it than meets the eye. It takes 11 people to make a solid run D, but lets start with the front 3.

DEFENSIVE LINE:

 

Hampton: Big snack is back hard. He's been playing tough football despite being chopped all the time. He is still occupying two people in most cases, and has even blown into backfields a couple times which I haven't seen in years.

Ziggy: The kid is still young and is still learning. He got a lot of time last year, but was on the other side. So he's struggled I think also with closing his lanes and the type of opponent he's up against is different now. But he still shows he's capable to start in this league.

Keisel however still is better at this moment. But if he can't get healthy, it won't matter. Hopefully he's good soon.

Smith: Smith can still play folks. He held his lanes very well and made some good tackles. I trust his ability to handle the run game quite well. But he can't play every down, lest we lose him for the season again. Which leads us to....

Heyward is of course a rookie, and was playing a lot today. He struggled with his lanes but beat his blocker a few times on passing downs.The problem is simply lack of experience. He's in probably one of the most complicated systems in the league, and just got here. He will learn.

I think our best solution on the line is to let Hood and Heyward rotate in for Keisel and Smith on passing-possible downs and let Keisel and Smith manage the more likely running plays. Keep them warm and fresh at the same time.

What this means: Our line is solid. But when the young guys are in, we're seeing bigger running lanes than normal, as they haven't learned how to close lanes and control the flow yet. It's a complicated system but effectively our DL has to almost create a specific hole, which will be filled by a LB. The young guys will learn, and our D will stiffen when Keisel returns also.

 

LINEBACKERS:

So I feel good about the line, but now lets look at the next 4 on the list.

Harrison: The man looks healthy and has been dominating as much as he can. He still gets held a lot. But he looks to be in good shape, hopefully this weird headbutt accident today was minor. Harrison is basically a 12th man because he can take double teams like a lineman and yet destroy any runner in the area.

Timmons: This man woke up a lot today I think and was playing really well. He was in the game early and often. And in general he's the LB version of Troy. He lines up everywhere and creates problems. Obvious star in the making.

Farrior/Foote: These guys are the problem here. They can't cover, and asking them to do so on passing downs is asinine. Neither one has been doing particularly well in run stoppage lately either. Foote has been better actually in my opinion. Farrior just can't seem to shed a block or push anybody back now. And he has lost a lot of his speed.

Woodley: I was not a big fan of this resigning. I feel Woodley is an above average pass rusher with a high motor and is a big man. However I just don't see any improvement from him in these years. His run stopping frankly has been pathetic. He frequently overpersues and doesn't show disciplined, experienced judgment which he should have after 4 seasons. To me, Woodley is basically a Clark Haggans, who looked better with Porter on the other side, much like 92 and 56.

 

What does it mean? Well Timmons and Harrison can typically cover up passes pretty well. Woodley and Farrior are just too slow and can't do it at all. And in the run game, Harrison demands double teams now, and breaks through them, where we see Farrior fading and Woodley getting stuffed by a single man.

This would explain why most of our opponent's big runs have come on the right side of their offense. It's not surprising. Again, the LBs are supposed to get the tackles in our system, our DL simply helps make it possible. But with Lamarr and Farrior being slower on the right side, faster backs and TE/FBs can set up blocks and make generous holes.

In the majority of games, what I've seen is most of the up the gut and left tackle runs go nowhere. However, the right side has been consistently horrible.

In short, we have to do something to improve the right two LB positions. I would consider giving Sylvester some more playing time in place of Farrior.

 

SECONDARY:

This is where we have good news folksks.

Our secondary without B-Mac has been actually pretty darn good. The Texans have an explosive offense that just put up 30+ last week, we held them to 17. Schaub threw for very little yardage, under 10 yards per completion which is pretty good by the D. The only real breakdowns were when Schaub escaped, imitated Ben, and rifled a ball in. And a couple deep plays to the TE where Farrior was in coverage.

Tackling has been excellent.

My most peculiar observation:

Many runs on the left side seem to often involve Polamalu. Last week he almost broke up a play, and it was a TD. This week it was nearly the same. Troy almost tackled Foster but Foster squeaked out and broke a big one.Troy got half tackled by Woodley on the Foster TD. He often runs parallel to the line to catch the runner from behind before breaking the LOS. Effectively he's a 5th LB

The only complaint I would say is Troy is trying too hard. He's made some over shoots and it's almost like he's playing faster than his mind can. And I think the left side can do it without him, having Timmons and Harrison and Hood/Keisel over there. I would rather see Troy roaming the right and backing up Woodley/Farrior and covering TEs.

 

 

So folks, we have no reason to panic about our defense. Our offense is a problem, but that's another post. Our D has done their job, holding the Colts and Texans' offenses to just 30 points over two games, ON THE ROAD. They blanked Seattle. 30 points in 3 games is what our D has allowed. We've lost ONE of those games.

 

Basically this team will be a late bloomer I believe. The new young DL's will learn and improve, and the O-line (barring injury) will get more comfortable with eachother as time goes on. They too are young in areas.


So really I don't think the problem is that we're old. It's that passing the torch sometimes leads to a few cinders falling out and burning your hand in the process. Soon as the new guys have that torch in their grasp, we'll be back to being the Best D in football bar none.

 

In the meantime, Ben has to carry this team like he did in 08. This was a game we won in 2008, with a last chance comeback from the 50 yard line being a cakewalk for Ben. The defense isn't able to bail him out like they often did in 2005.

How long it will take for the new players to get up to the standard is anybody's guess, but I have a feeling we'll be in top shape come Baltimore. And from there we won't look back and we'll make the playoffs and have a good run.


Have faith Steeler nation.

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Ben cant carry them with that pathetic O-line anymore..obviously
Timmons hasnt really done anything ..a few plays today..nothing worthy of 50 mill, Hamp has been getting handled a bit more than wed like to admit..ive been watching him getting pushed by 1 man not 2, Smith may be done, Hood isnt there yet..if he will ever be..Farrior should retire and every team is throwing to the tight end that our linebackers cover no matter who the linebacker is..watched it today with Harrison, Foote, Farrior, Timmons…Woodley..just isnt playing well hes late to every play this year…pulling my hair out here

by yoymon1 on Oct 2, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Mechem

Very much! I get physically ill watching teams run on our team and I pulled out hairs on my head, when I kept seeing missed tackles.

Nice for you to put a little hope back into our season! Maybe I will start feeling better about tomorrow.

go steelers!

by steeler fever on Oct 2, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't pull your hair out -

that hurts : ) I am usually a wreck after a loss, but between having Trai Essex at LT and the fact that we weren’t able to get a running game going against the Colts, I decided that we were almost certainly going to lose this one, and so it didn’t upset me quite so much. I was actually quite heartened by the good play in the third quarter from our offense, and just wish they could have kept it going.

I also hoped that we wouldn’t have any critical injuries. I’m almost glad about Mendenhall, because they’ll have to play Redman/MM, and for whatever reason they are more effective at the moment. I don’t expect that to continue, but Mendy will have a few weeks to sit and think beautiful thoughts – like, for instance, having an O line that actually creates a few holes for him to run through.

IDK about Ben. As I said elsewhere, I’m not sure that the line didn’t play better last year when he was in the huge shoe with the steel plate, because they have a constant visible reminder of what it does to him when they screw up. But then, maybe they just aren’t capable of playing any better. I’m going to wait a few more weeks before coming to that depressing conclusion, however.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 2, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I already made that conclusion

There is no talent on our offensive line. How is it that our organization is letting Jonathan Scott start at left tackle and lead us into the year. How do you not address the line in the offseason when you know they can’t protect the QB? We have two starters in Pouncey and Kemo (and even 68 is a question mark if he can’t stay healthy). Gilbert will play and make our line better down the road, but he is a rookie this year and from what I understand Colon will get his spot back at RT next year so why not go ahead and try Gilbert at the left side. To me at least he looks much quicker then Essex. My comments are turning into a rant and i feel myself hitting the keys a lot harder the longer i write this, but the only thing i can do is get mad because for 4 years now we needed a change and it has been ignored. Every year i start looking at the draft class by looking at tackles and guards and praying that we actually draft one. Come on coach T and Mr. C

by TrueSteelerForLife on Oct 3, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I am agree

And I really think Foster and Kemo should switch. We usually pull Kemo to the right anyway, let him start off there.

And yeah switch the tackles. Basically mirror image the line. Scott is way too small and slow to play LT, put a monster there like Gilbert and we’re better off.

Starks and Flozell were stupid cuts IMO. We didnt HAVE to resign all our players this year. Thats what transition/franchise tags and long term negotiations are for.

IMO, the Steelers stuck with their policy of renewing with 2 years remaining, and it cost them this time because they could have kept most of the roster IMO without the big payouts this year (like Timmons, pay him next year)

by Mechem on Oct 3, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I understand it correctly

re-signing some of the players actually saved cap space, as did restructuring some of the other contracts. If this was, like last year, an uncapped year, or even if the cap this year had been as high as the projection 2 years ago, I believe that the team would look rather different right now.

That said, if we hadn’t cut Starks, and he was still out of shape and stinking it up on the left side, what would we all have been saying right now? Hindsight is 20-20…

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 4, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

The hair thing was a figure of speech! At 43, I am way more protective of my remaining hairs than I might have let on : )

by steeler fever on Oct 3, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

very wise

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 4, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really appreciated Farriors play

over the years! But perhaps it is time for one of my favorite young players, Sylvester, to get a lot more playing time.

by steeler fever on Oct 2, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

if Sly doesn't start taking snaps from Foote and Farrior

then I already know what’s happening in the spring. The steelers with the (7-15 range) pick select LB blah blah from university of blah instead of taking an OT that can solidify the offensive line. This will be followed by news that we have just signed Foote to a 5 year extension.

by lkwdsteel on Oct 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, why is Foote playing?

From what i remember he got beat out of a job in Detroit, rode the bench last year and now he is getting run over on the field. Put in Sly,…at least do something to inspire this defense

by TrueSteelerForLife on Oct 3, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post,

and I agree with much of what you said. The D-line isn’t playing quite as bad as it seems, and in game adjustments tend to show that much of the problem relates to scheme or fundamentals. Twice, we’ve played zone-blocking teams and have been run on, at least in the first half, and this needs to be addressed. There seems to be too much over pursuit—in fact, I saw on numerous occasions both Farrior and Foote, took the wrong angles and got trapped inside, unable to get around blocks, which led to big runs, and once, both Woodley and Troy over-pursued, which led to the touchdown by Foster. However, I disagree about Woodley. There have been plenty of big runs to the left (Ray Rice’s first run of the season, a 36 yarder, was to the left), and plenty of 9 and 10 yard chunks straight up the gut. Our inside backers, who should be filling the hole, are getting caught inside and trapped by a defensive end who has been pushed 3-4 yards off the ball. As for Woodley, run-stopping has always been his strong suit. He’s responsible for contain and does a solid job with this most of the time. Of course, he blew it on Foster’s touchdown, but he’s actually hard for o-linemen to move and holds his ground well. He has, however, been way off on pash-rushing, and I’ve never considered him a top-tier rusher—he just has never had great pass rush moves or speed. The rest of the problems are fundamental, as if they forgot how to play during the lock-out, and should be worked out soon. They are really taking bad angles right now, and this is across the board. Coaching and film work should iron this out, though I’m quite surprised they haven’t worked this out yet.

by motownsteeler on Oct 2, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess we'll have opposite opinionns

The ILBs should be having a field day on many of the plays Hampton’s made. But sometimes the blitzes are with Farrior (slow) or DBs from a long distance.

We always have done better outside.

And if the DE was blown back 4 yards, Woodley should have a clear one on one matchup which he’s supposed to win.

by Mechem on Oct 2, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree on Woodley

As I commented in your post, some of the pass rushing issues seem to be schematic. Moreover, to consider an OLB his size to always make that play on a counter where the running back has 40 yards of open field might be pushing it. And by the way, the LDE on that play was Hoke, and he did less than nothing. Further, it is difficult to paint with a broad brush and say that the right side of the line is weak, especially when much of the success comes on counters, which puts less of the blame on the LOLB if there is no support on the inside.

Again, I agree on the fundamentals aspect of your argument, though I am worried why it takes us a half against teams (Baltimore, Indianapolis, and Houston) before we can figure out what they are doing and make adjustments. Any thoughts?

And yes, Farrior/Foote is the weak link, but other than Sylvester, I do not see the answer on the roster. Farrior not being able to track Owen Daniels on the big gain set up the Foster TD on the next play, and gave them substantial momentum. Farrior also overpursued inside on the Foster TD run.

"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."

-- so says Rex Ryan.

by sctx109 on Oct 3, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you about Aaron

Had a couple of good moments today, but is still not playing up to par.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 2, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I completely agree. Plus he got hurt AGAIN.

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by Black&GoldTrain on Oct 3, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great

He is about as dependable as Colon at this point.

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Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 3, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure how bad the injury is to Smith but there was a picture of him getting carted away which can’t be good. It’s also a foot injury. As much as I enjoyed Smith while he was in his prime and being an outstanding person, I was hoping that he would have gotten cut this season to save some cap money so they could, in the preseason, get help in the OL or secondary. It’s been clear for awhile that the Steelers just can’t rely on him anymore.

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by Black&GoldTrain on Oct 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should have some cap relief next season

Lots of cuts to come.

Aaron (contract is up), Bmac, Foote, Farrior, Hoke, Kemo, and possibly Hines maybe gone next year. Those cuts should give us money to work with.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 3, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not concerned at all with the defense.

The Texans averaged 30 points in their first three games….and were held to only 17 today. The defense let up the go-ahead TD, but still gave the offense two late possessions to try to tie the game.

The defense is not performing at the level they did last year— but they are still solid and playing well enough to win.

by Dr. Spaceman on Oct 2, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, I agree. Not up to par, but the D is still good enough to put the team in a position to win. The offense has to improve.

by tkired on Oct 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Mechem

Appreciate you and agree with this assessment.

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."

by 1BlkGldFan on Oct 2, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Not that concerned about the defense

Of course, the Texans rushed for 150+ yards but this defense held the high powered offense to just 17 points and the QB to under 200 yards.

The offense has to put points. In today’s NFL if the offense doesn’t score more than 20 points it will be very hard to win games. I guess gone are the days when the defense carried the team.

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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Oct 2, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

With the number of times Ben is getting hit each game

There is NO WAY he will be able to carry this team. More like he will have to be carried off the field in a stretcher, and won’t be lucky enough to escape games like this with just a tweaked knee and in a walking boot…
STEELERS, FIX THE FRICKIN’ O-LINE -- NOW!!!

by TheHumbleOne on Oct 2, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

here here!!!!

STEELERS, FIX THE FRICKIN’ O-LINE — NOW!!!

by yoymon1 on Oct 2, 2011 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Billy...

They are morons…don’t rise to the bait. As has been said elsewhere by many others…students of the game…there is no quick fix there…due to cap reasons and personnel reasons. It isn’t fantasy football.

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by Andy34 on Oct 3, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

But, I want them to fix the line nooooooowwwww!

by worldtrip on Oct 3, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like the whine!

"He has the best ability, which is availability." - Mike Tomlin
"You can't make the club from the tub." - Mike Tomlin
"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Oct 3, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there

any cheese to go with it, I really like cheese

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Oct 3, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

We had cheese on Saturday

Make by Trappist monks. It had a lot of character. Perhaps more than I am ready to deal with.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 3, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That

was one fine whine

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 3, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You've got a point.

Maybe he needs to take in a couple of Renaissance Festivals so he’ll know that it’s actually “Hear hear!”

by Billy52 on Oct 3, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

they can do nothing now

but I partially disagree. The time to fix the O-line is during the draft AND during training camp. Drafting them and then not letting them compete against our current scrubs before cutting them doesn’t fix a damn thing.

by lkwdsteel on Oct 3, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean.

But you still need the raw material to work with and normally you find this in the first two rounds of the draft. You’re right, though, about making sure that we take a good look at these guys in training camp.

by Billy52 on Oct 3, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love 1st and 2nd round picks along the entire O-line

but currently there are only 2 of those including the rookie. I want to at least see the later picks we make get a legit shot at taking a spot away from the rest who are late round picks or UDFA’s. Sometimes a diamond in the rough needs polishing, but after you’ve “polished” it for more than 3 years it’s maybe time to admit it was just a damned rock and start polishing another. My problem is the players who were crap in the past are getting free passes through camp without any real competition – be that from an early, late or UDFA pick.

by lkwdsteel on Oct 4, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also in free agency, but the Steelers didn’t do that.

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by Black&GoldTrain on Oct 3, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said, though I too

have concerns about Smith. Farrior shouldn’t be in coverage, but probably shouldn’t be on the roster at all, and certainly not a starter.

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by madanthonywayne on Oct 2, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Sadly, this seems to be true. More so than even Smith, Farrior seems to be over the cliff.

"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."

-- so says Rex Ryan.

by sctx109 on Oct 3, 2011 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree that Sylvester should get playing time.

I think he’s the only backup LB who looks like he can step in and excel right now.

by Billy52 on Oct 2, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with everything

I also was not fan of Woodley resigning. I didnt say so when the news broke out because everybody was happy with the news.
I have never seen anything in Woodley but sheer strength. I think his numbers are a product of having Harisson and A excellent D-line (until las year) that do a lot for him.
I like his character though, but I think the FO should have franchised him this year and let him go at the end of the year.

by UFrazzel on Oct 2, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Where?

I hate to disagree Mechem, but where was Timmons? He had a couple nice plays in the first quarter, but after that my memory of seeing #94 gets hazy. Stars make plays and from his stat line (3 tackles, 1 pass defended) he was not a star today. Stars also make plays and that didn’t happen either. I don’t recall even seeing him in Schaub’s face once though I could be wrong on that. I was a fan of the Timmons resigning but I don’t understand while everyone labels him a star. Tackling players does not make you a star. Tackling players behind the line of scrimmage, and forcing turnovers does. To this point Timmons has not done that.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Oct 2, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I have said

it before and I will say it again Coach Dad seems to be trying some different schemes to slow the spread down. I think a lot of what we’ve seen on D so far is a new twist that the kinks are still being worked out of. This doesn’t argue against the star players needing to make plays, but I think it is worth bringing to the conversation.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Oct 3, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep saying it

because I think you are onto something.

At the end of last season, when most people were screaming for us to draft a top CB, would anybody have believed that we would have the #2 pass defense in the league with Ike and Will Gay as the starting corners and K. Lewis coming in for the nickel package?

The Steelers threw all of their toys into the “stop the run” box last year and it got the job done until we had to play New England and Green Bay. Dick LeBeau is smart enough to know that every single team in the league studied that tape. So now he’s moving the toys around. Isn’t that what we asked for – that he make “adjustments?” I suppose it’s the old “careful what you wish for…”

I’m thinking you are right (and hoping as well : ) that they are still working the kinks out. But by gum they’re effectively stopping the pass, except in week 1, when we couldn’t stop a nosebleed…

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by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 3, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our pass defense rating...

has been helped immensely by who we have played. Baltimore ran the ball well, Seattle has no offense, the Colts have no QB and the Texans ran the ball well.

Taylor and Polamalu are playing well but after that, the pass defense is average. I wouldn’t bank on this early season pass defense rating as meaning that much. Their schedule is going to help too but against the better teams (ie: playoff caliber teams) the defense is going to struggle some.

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by franz on Oct 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I must have missed those comments

But I have been thinking the exact same thing, and actually believe we are finally making critical adjustments on both sides of the ball. However, we still seem to be uncertain about how to exactly utilize our OLBs- witness the lack of pass rush.

I do not know why this would be the case, but did we possibly try to maintain scheme in the offseason because of the lockout, and only now are throwing in wrinkles, and are thus somewhat behind the game?

"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."

-- so says Rex Ryan.

by sctx109 on Oct 3, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great reply gorillar

one of the best so far this year! It helped open my eyes to what actually may be going on with our D. Its amazing that our pass D is looking great and our run is looking well, not so great.

TY

by steeler fever on Oct 3, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was in a lot of plays

Stats never tell the story and I watched him get around quickly. Plus he was being dropped into coverage quite a lot in this game, and in general.

To me, he’s playing well. Much better than the right side.

by Mechem on Oct 3, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good observations Mechem.

I agree it is not time to panic yet. The problems can be fixed, not sure why they haven’t already been. Maybe it is like Deebo and his fitness, just takes some live games to work it out. Hoping BB is not hurt bad and maybe lights a fire under his O-line for the way they have been playing.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Oct 2, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

wish it hadnt got pushed down so quickly by chatter

by klompus on Oct 2, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

it's okay

we can still see it

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Oct 3, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome post

Though I disagree with your views on Aaron Smith. The guy isnt himself. But I am worried about Woodley to an extent. I cant help but wonder if his play isnt a part of the system that is falling apart from weak play at Smiths spot. I cant help but think LeBeau doesnt have some way to fix this issue. If anyone can fix our defensive problems its him.

by steelerintexas on Oct 3, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Could it be a result of short camp

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by Rickfansince76 on Oct 3, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice post Mechem

There are some things I agree with, but a few things I disagree with as well.

I think the big problems with our run D is the absence of Keisel, the age of Smith, and Woodley getting blown up by TEs.

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by John Stephens on Oct 3, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

As I mentioned, Keisel is better than Hood at run stopping so far.

Smith still looked fine the last few weeks, maybe a slight decline but I’d say so far so good.

But yeah when Woodley gets single blocked by a TE, there’s a serious problem.

I’d say we DO agree cause I said most of that stuff haha.

by Mechem on Oct 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

We Stank

I didn't realize the Super Bowl was played September 11th, 2011.

Congratulation's Baltimore Ravens, 2011 Super Bowl Champs - wtf?

by WARDANE33 on Oct 3, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

But we don't hate em for it

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Oct 3, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No sir

I didn't realize the Super Bowl was played September 11th, 2011.

Congratulation's Baltimore Ravens, 2011 Super Bowl Champs - wtf?

by WARDANE33 on Oct 3, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post, and I agree that the defense isn't a big problem right now

There’s no way the biggest thing holding us back isn’t the O-Line.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 3, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

smith

Ive been a big Smith fan, but hes not even close to what he was…which just isnt good enough for that 3 man line, they ran right at his side, Im not sold on Hood I think hes been average, Woodley is suprisingly quiet, hes late on every play..I wonder if they arent disclosing and injury with him and the pass defense is ranked so high because now you can just run on the steelers….compounded by the offense not being able to hold the ball or score due to the horrendous Oline…so what will Tomlin do about any of this…and stop saying theres nothing he can do with the cap and roster..theres free agents still out there theres coaching and schemes for the players that are there…and yes those left over unwanted free agents cant be worse than what they have….come out and do the same thing they have been doing?

by yoymon1 on Oct 3, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't

sign free agents without cap room, and you can’t creat cap room by cutting players this far into the season. Regardless of whether or not you want to here it doesn’t change the facts.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Oct 3, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are facts?

Are those like unicorns, or something?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 3, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sightings of them

seem to be almost as infrequent as sightings of unicorns : )

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 4, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

to both of you

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Oct 4, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I...like, your punctuation...

But in all seriousness you do raise a solid point about our pass D looking better because people can run.

Still I would say our pass D has made more plays than our run D.

by Mechem on Oct 3, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  


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