NFL Psychology 101 - Welcome to our World Baltimore
I was pretty jacked up for the Monday Night Football game, when my daughter, Maryrose, thought I was crazy. "Dad, Baltimore has one loss. Jacksonville has one win. Baltimore killed us and we beat Jacksonville. Why would you even watch this game?"
Maryrose, please sit and allow me to give you a lesson on the psyche of the NFL. First, these teams are much closer than records indicate. How else can recent cellar-dwellers like Miami, San Francisco and Detroit go from the bottom of the barrel to playoff teams and, in Miami’s case, go back down again. This isn’t college, where Ohio State will beat Indiana 40 straight years by 40 points because of an inherent talent pool advantage. These guys are all professional with level salary caps. In addition to the level playing field, you need to understand the psychology of human beings.
Remember when Pittsburgh went into Baltimore in the opener and got smoked? The Ravens played like there was no tomorrow. It was bigger than the Super Bowl. It was Pittsburgh. It was Armageddon. Baltimore unleashed eight months of pent-up frustration. The Ravens were tired of being the red-headed step-child, and played like it. The Steelers could not match their intensity on that day in their house, despite the rivalry.
The game is played by human beings, not robots. By the way, what did the Armegeddon Boys do the next week? They got manhandled by a Tennessee team that Pittsburgh later crushed. Life in the NFL. The Ravens would have lost to Bethune-Cookman that next week. They spent too much emotionally against Pittsburgh, albeit a wise expenditure.
Remember the Colts game? Here was a wounded animal that lost one of the greatest leaders in NFL history. They knew they were toast as far as a long NFL season was concerned. They knew it was going to be a long season without Peyton. They had nothing to play for, except one big night. The Colts hosted a Sunday Night prime time game in front of America and they made sure, all else be failed, they were going to play their Super Bowl that night. Did you notice Freeney and Mathis and the others? They played like it was their last football game. They had their home fans in their antiseptic facility and they were feeling hell or high water. Steeler Nation sometimes gets frustrated at narrow escapes against inferior opponents. I was thrilled to death to leave that fishbowl with a win. Do you think Freeney played with the same energy against New Orleans, losing 62-7? Yes, they are professional, but they are also human, and this factor comes into play more than some may think.
Then came Houston, on the road again for the third time in four games. Peyton Manning came into play again, if you connect the psychology dots. The Texans have been knocking at playoffs’ door for several years, and with some great talent that we all know about. This is supposed to be their year. Have you heard Kubiak might be on the hot seat if they don’t qualify this year? When Manning went down, it was to Houston like the melting of the Wicked Witch of the West. Go back and read the Houston papers during game week. All they talked about was how Pittsburgh, AFC Champions, was their big test. If they can beat Pittsburgh they can beat anyone. Some in Houston called it the biggest game in Texans’ history. Seriously (the Texans have never made the playoffs, so why not?). Pittsburgh played in three opponents’’ Super Bowls in four weeks.
Next road game? How about an Arizona team with an entire coaching staff and two outside linebackers who know the difference between Iron City and Yeungling. Similar to Baltimore, the Cardinals were chomping at the bit to revenge the last time the two teams met. Guys like Larry Fitzgerald, with Pittsburgh roots, were talking about the pain of the 2008 Super Bowl. Go back and watch that game again and just key on Fitz. Watch him maul Alfonso Smith with jubilation after Smith scored his touchdown, like it was, here we go again, Armageddon. Watch him put his hands on his head in anguish after a five-yard penalty. Fitzgerald, the entire coaching staff, Haggins and Porter wanted to see victory more than Columbus wanted to see land.
This is what the Steelers have been dealing with this year. All four of their road games have been Super Bowls for the other teams. Fortunately, the Steelers came out on top twice, albeit against inferior talent with poor records, but I think Steeler Nation needs to understand how hard that can be. Playing with a giant bull’s-eye on your back is treacherous. Yes, you can say teams like New England and Green Bay are also targets, and they are to some extent. But not nearly as emotional as Pittsburgh, except maybe Buffalo with New England, and look what happened there? Pittsburgh is America’s team.
Did you see the fans in the stands again in Arizona? It is wonderful and proudful to see all those Terrible Towels, but it also comes with a price. Do you not think that this charges up the opponents in their own house? Remember the Tennessee game in 08? The Steelers not only bring out the best in everyone, they bring out all the emotional baggage as well. So here we are last night, Baltimore in Jacksonville. Welcome to our world Baltimore. You wanna be the Steelers? OK, feel what it’s like to be the Steelers. Play a team that is in trouble, a wounded animal, in their crib on national television prime time. The Ravens are thinking about a 17, 18, maybe 19-game schedule. The Jaguars were playing in the Super Bowl.
I told Rose that the Ravens may well escape last light, like we did in Indy and Phoenix, but then again, maybe not. The psychology of the NFL is fascinating. Steeler Nation wants to win every game 35-3, but it doesn’t work that way. "That’s interesting dad, but I still think you’re a little nuts. I’m going to bed. Tell me who won in the morning."
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Yes Maryrose, there is a Santa Claus...
…Nice article. And frankly, your point is well taken. I was at the games in Baltimore and Houston [ and yes, I promise not to go to any more games ; ) ] and you are right; the fans there, those that weren’t waving Terrible Towels, see Pittsburgh as their litmus test. “If we can beat the Steelers…”, “If only we can beat the Steelers…”. Whenever any of those fans gave us the finger, we gave them six back, and they understood (well, in Houston they did, in Baltimore we had to draw them pictures with crayons).
Anyway, enjoyed reading this. Be sure to remind your daughter of the little engine that could also; if you want it bad enough, and try hard enough, anything is possible.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Oct 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
One thing that really bothers me is
On almost every football site I visit raven fans comments are so brash towards Pittsburgh. I’ll be NFL.com gamecenter for a ravens game looking at the score and every comment, even when not playing Pittsburgh is directed towards the steelers in some way. They are beating the texans and all the fans are talking about us how shitty Pittsburgh is and how they crushed us week one. It’s funny how deep the inferior complex is with them, beating Pitt was like climbing mount Olympus for them. I guess I can’t blame them we have been fortunate enough to see our beloved steelers in 3 Superbowls the past 6 years, many teams haven’t even been to one Superbowl.
In these past few years the steelers have become the new patriots, the team that every other fan hates, not just the ravens fans. I guess that’s just what happens when you win too much. Hatred born from jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery in my eyes
by blitzzburgh on Oct 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You have to admit...
…Steeler Nation can be a bit hard to take at times. We push the envelope to the brink of gloating, if not outright crossing the line. But, we DO have the 6 rings to back it up.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
It's not like you guys distribute "hate guides".
;)
It is what it is
one guy writes them
meant for comedy, meant to be over the top ridiculous.
all you gotta do is not click on it.
or at the very least, read the disclaimer, then decide if you want to proceed, and if you do choose to proceed, don’t whine about it
The hate guide isn't to everyone's taste
I avoid it but it is meant to be over the top humour and not to be taken seriously. Comedy is often a personal preference. I hate Jim Carey and Will Farrell but enjoy The Big Bang Theory.
"Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity." Jack Layton (R.I.P.)
"My city's still breathing (but barely it's true) through buildings gone missing like teeth. The sidewalks are watching me think about you, all sparkled with broken glass. I'm back with scars to show. Back with the streets I know. They never take me anywhere but here. " John K Samson (Left and Leaving)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 26, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
the big bang theory is great
just watched a rerun of the episode where Sheldon runs away into the ball pool… “bazinga!”
ummm, where were we?
We buy the DVDs
We get them as Xmas gifts (from us to ourselves).
"Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity." Jack Layton (R.I.P.)
"My city's still breathing (but barely it's true) through buildings gone missing like teeth. The sidewalks are watching me think about you, all sparkled with broken glass. I'm back with scars to show. Back with the streets I know. They never take me anywhere but here. " John K Samson (Left and Leaving)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 27, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the "new Patriots."
Although I get your point. :)
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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 26, 2011 3:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great story
but who won? Oh wait…
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 25, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good read
This is the same problem the Jets had in the playoffs last year.
With all due respect to the Steelers, the Jets played their Super Bowl in New England and ‘won’, but all they did was beat the Patriots. They had no emotion or energy left for Pittsburgh, either before the game or while they were playing it.
Keep the faith!
+1
It took them six days and one half of football before starting to play their game. By then, it was too late. We won an emotional game against our rival, yet, we were prepared to play the next week.
It pays to not have a blowhard for a head coach.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Read
Playing in other people’s superbowls is tough. I wonder why it doesn’t seem to be affecting the Packers at all.
"Kompromise, my friend, is the essence of diplomacy, and diplomacy is the kornerstone of love... sweeeeeet looooOOOve"
They haven't generated the energy and hate that Pittsburgh has.
They don’t storm other stadiums and control the crowd. They don’t have Terrible Towels that people hate seeing littered all over the place. They don’t have an entire coaching staff and players on another team. The success in their division has floated around. Hell, Chicago won it last year and Minnesota had a long turn. There are no Clevelands and Cincinnatis who have been pinned down for decades. This was their first Super Bowl in what, 14 years? It’s apples and oranges, (for the time being)…
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
…and their QB seems like a nice enough guy. They’re linebackers aren’t fine fodder. And the Packers don’t win on defense. Casual fans love offense. They’re not so keen on teams that prevent offense.
"They eat fish and are majestic" - Great Sergios Ghost
THe Packers came close to a loss in Minnesota,
a team without much hope and a rookie QB. They jumped out 14-0 on the Packers but simply couldn’t sustain it for four quarters. And they were still in the game with three minutes to go.
My heros have always been Steelers...
It was 7-0
And 17-7, I believe. It wasn’t 14-0, Rodgers walked down the field on their first drive for a TD.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And, really, the Packers have found themselves down by two touchdwons twice in the last few weeks.
Eventually, they will find themselves on the losing end, even if only for a day.
by Anthony Defeo on Oct 25, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I wonder why it doesn’t seem to be affecting the Packers at all.
You really think the Vikings are good enough to play with Green Bay, all things being equal? Last I checked, there were two blown tackles on third downs, otherwise, you’re punting to a rookie quarterback who’d burned you a few times. Despite two INTs and less than 50 percent completion, they nearly had the ball with a chance to win the game on the final drive.
That was a 1-5 team with a rookie QB, and you did not dominate that game.
If you don’t think that was their Super Bowl, you’ve been on the opposite side you’re on now too often in the last 10 years, cuz you have no idea what it means.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I just say
Thumbs up for the write-up! Great read and I could not agree more.
Life's a journey, not a destination.
I admit this is a little crazy
but even some Packer fans told me that beating the Steelers in the Super Bowl somehow made it a legitimate win for them. The Packers are a storied franchise which is why it sounded crazy to me. It hurt to lose to them, but I have to take that as a huge compliment as well.
I know I hate the Patriots because of how much they have won over the last decade with TB and Bilicheat. However, I do respect how well run their organization is and how smart they are when they play.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin
That is because
Green Bay has had their share of losing (3-13 season in 2005) in the recent history, while the Steelers have been the golden standard for consistency for the past 15 years or so.
Life's a journey, not a destination.
15???
Try 35 years
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Oct 26, 2011 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we need to forget the 80's
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I think the 80's
were a good not the dominate team we are accustomed to.
I would say that can be included in "The Golden Standard for Consistency !
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Oct 26, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
SIlver maybe
but not gold
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I understand where you are coming from
yet I’ll give the inflated adjective because over the span of decades I am fine with a few consecutive years of wining seasons and no playoffs.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle
by steelerstyle on Oct 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, the Packers
Didn’t get the steelers ‘A’ game – and had numerous injuries to boot. Not making excuses, but if they were 100%, I think the Pack loses by a close margin.
You mean
if both sides were 100%?
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
went to Lambeau for the Rams
Rocked all my Steelers gear (which is subdued, by the standards of the extreme NFL get-up, save my black and gold Pumas), with a Packers scarf. As soon as people were done razzing me about the SB, it was a lovefest. So much respect on both sides of that equation—that’s what sports should be about.
Also, NEVER pass up an opportunity to make the pilgrimage to the NFL Mecca.
Steeler fans are amazing
I have been to Heinz field on a few occasions to see games, but this past weekend we were in Phoenix to see our first road game. It was like we were in Pittsburgh. There was a sea of black, gold and white. I said at one point “it’s like we’re the home team” and a woman next to me who overheard said “We are always the home team baby”. I have to guess there were 25 to 30 thousand Steeler fans, who made twice the noise of the Cardinal fans. I understand how this can be annoying to the home team, but them dont sell your tickets and support your team. Love or hate Steeler fans and the team, you’d have to respect them for their top notch support. I imagine the Cowboys and Packers have similar numbers show up at away games. It was amazing to see…a sea of Steeler fans filling up bars and tailgating, then marching to the game.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
I have yet to be able to get back to Pittsburgh to see a game, since 1979...
…but yea, it is amazing walking into the Rat nest, or Reliant Stadium, and seeing swarms of Black n Gold. Here in DC, there was an article in the Washington Post in 2008 complaining how Steeler fans took over Fedex Field for the Monday Night Game (I was there; my only “road” victory). In Houston, while the #43 jerseys were by far the most popular, I saw plenty of Lamberts, Greenes, Bradshaws, Swanns, Porters, and even a Keisel! I’ve been gone long from the ‘Burgh, but feel right at home at fields other than Heinz when the Steelers come. And talk about Steeler bars!!! I’ve been in them in Houston, DC, even Rome, Italy. STEELER NATION IS WORLDWIDE.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Welcome to our World Baltimore
We don’t know what your world is. Your world is full of shiny silver trophies everywhere and fearless QB’s and coaching staffs while ours is filled with puppy dog offenses and caterpillar type movement.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
And to continue with the Psychology
expect the mindset of the Ravens to be completely different in next weeks home game. After a deject Arizona squad who couldn’t stop the bleeding after their bye against the Steelers have to fly across country into a hornets nest – a good football team that just got embarrassed on national television the week before.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect, so we can blow out Arizona, think we are hot shit again, think back to week 1 and how we destroyed you, think we are hot shit yet again, puppy dog it up, run comback routes in press coverage, take 7 step drops with 7 in the box, maybe throw one up to Torrey for shits and giggles, sack Ben, think we are hot shit, then have Joe hand the ball to Woodley instead of the embarassment of him stripping it from him in clean view.
Steelers 37
Ravens 3
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I wish
but we all know that ain’t gonna happen
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
If we can beat you 35-7, you can beat us 37-3.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Awwww
S’matter MaLor, having raven self esteem issues?
You know as well as all the rest that your game one blowout was an anomaly, and the next game is going to be a long drawn out bloody slug-fest.
If we lose by 10, I’ll be happy.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
so would I
or do you mean against the Steelers? I would still be happy as I am a glass half full kind of guy at times.
"Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity." Jack Layton (R.I.P.)
"My city's still breathing (but barely it's true) through buildings gone missing like teeth. The sidewalks are watching me think about you, all sparkled with broken glass. I'm back with scars to show. Back with the streets I know. They never take me anywhere but here. " John K Samson (Left and Leaving)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It'll be a close game I believe
I don’t know how the Pats game goes.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
MaLoR -
take two aspirin and call me in the morning : )
That’s a good team and you know it. They aren’t going to just lie down and give up on the season, and neither should you.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 25, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this sounds like a back-handed compliment, but the Ravens s**t the bed every year at some point, and they end up advancing in the playoffs. You should see it more as they’re right on track.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What yo digits?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
1-800-CKN-SOUP
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 25, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Waaaaaaaa...you sound like Suggs
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Suggs made the right statements last night. If your offense didn’t have a first down until 8 minutes into the 3rd quarter, don’t you think your defense would be pissed off too?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Yea
Rice is the best play on that offense, you got to use him. If they are stuffing him, then get him out in space, do different things with him. Thats the reason why you are paid to be an OC. Flacco is nice but when its clear he ain’t getting it done its time to go to the bread and butter.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If they are stuffing him, then get him out in space, do different things with him.
Are you suggesting we make adjustments on offense? Our OC doesn’t like adjustments.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
lol
the problem is that good OCs become head coaches, and then if they fail they become OCs again.
Norv turner will be looking for a job soon. You could pick him up.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem is that good OCs become head coaches, and then if they fail they become OCs again.
LOL
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking on Sunday
that maybe we could get Whiz back after Arizona fires him and Arians retires.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 25, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
would love getting Whiz back...
hate to see him get fired considering he is in his 5th year had only one losing season, and 2 winning season coaching a team that had one winning season since1985 (1998 season). Not to mention brought AZ to the playoffs twice (4 playoff wins) and the Super Bowl!! But here in AZ fans want him gone. Why?
Dick Lebeau scares me
Because he’s living proof that Arians could coach for a lot longer…
"They eat fish and are majestic" - Great Sergios Ghost
So answer this
Why is harbaugh such a hard ass? He can’t compliment the other team for anything. It’s really disrespectful.
because that's the way the Harbaugh's are
assholes. Cocky, arrogant, disrespectful assholes
As much as I am ready to let his brother off the hook, he did act like an immature asshole. He pushed what’shisface aside like a little kid throwing carrots off his plate.
stories are coming out
that Jim Harbaugh has always been that way, and i would imagine John was too, except he didn’t play after college. But apparently Jim was an asshole even as a college student at Michigan.
Side note, they were born where I currently live. That makes him the most famous Toledo product since Tom Scholz from the band Boston.
Dane Sanzenbacher may take that distinction away from the asshole Harbaughs if he can make a career out of it.
Honestly though, it doesn’t seem anyone around here cares that Scholz is from here even though Boston was mega huge in their day
Scales
The most famous export of Toledo was scales though for some reason I seem to think one of the better CFL QBs in the 70s came from Toledo. Not Holloway because he came out of Tennesse but some one before Holloway… Chuck Ealey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Ealey
"Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity." Jack Layton (R.I.P.)
"My city's still breathing (but barely it's true) through buildings gone missing like teeth. The sidewalks are watching me think about you, all sparkled with broken glass. I'm back with scars to show. Back with the streets I know. They never take me anywhere but here. " John K Samson (Left and Leaving)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 26, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He was right, but I don't think it should have been
stated publicly. This was one game – a stinker, fer sure, but one game. If this offensive ineptitude continues, then call ’em out.
A simple “We didn’t get it done” would have been enough.
My heros have always been Steelers...
We were thinking about you last night MaLor.
I’ve never been a fan of Joe Flacco, but he exceeded even my low expectations last night in Jacksonville. Probably best just to write this one off, as we did in Week #1, and look ahead.
Great point Tan…I was planning to add that piece but forgot…Arizona is going to get sandblasted Sunday.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
Great Article
Hadn’t seen you in a while. Missed your writings.
People do often forget that these are in fact humans playing this game. That stats and records and number and science and math cannot accurately quantify the human spirit and human emotion. Things like momentum which science and statistic doesn’t play a part in a game but if you watched the game or played it you feel the momentum and can readily identify it.
They also forget that there are other things in these guys lives other than football. These players don’t live in a vacuum where all they know is football, they have families, relationships, lives and issues of their own that if they aren’t careful can carry over onto the field. The game of football is simple if you remove the human element, follow this technique, execute here, run this route, hit this hole, make this throw. But add in the human element it becomes much more complex, much more unpredictable. There are statistical anomalies during the course of every season because of this reason.
Quick Story:
My dad has a friend who works with this girl for ESPN and also runs track. He told her he is a big Steelers fan and the conversation go to how the secondary was playing. Well the guy goes on this rant about how Will Gay is the worst corner in the league and how he needs to be cut. The lady gets so mad and the guy can’t understand it. It’s just a football player right? It turns out the girl is Will Gay’s girlfriend, showed him pictures of her and Will together and everything, not like at the bar, but at his house – at her house, etc.
Boom – right there it became personal, it became a human interaction and you realize you are calling for this guy to lose his job and his lively hood without thinking about the emotional and human effect that it causes. Businesses have to make decisions without considering the human element but us fans don’t have to do the same, we need to understand it when the business does it but we don’t have to incorporate that model for ourselves. I think that would help tempter the emotional roller coaster that most fans go through each season.
The funny part about the story is that, remember I told you she ran track – well she said Will won’t race her lol. I’m like I bet he wouldn’t, not necessarily because he isn’t the fastest guy but because you don’t want to put yourself in that kind of situation with a girl you are dating.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great story, tann -
that’s one of the things that sometimes gets me down around here. It’s all very well to point out the flaws and inadequacies of a player, but I wish they would remember that players are human beings. Sometimes human beings just have a bad day. Sometimes human beings get thrown into a situation that is bigger than they can handle, but there isn’t any other option so they just have to deal with it as best they can. Sometimes a guy is having a bad day and the guys around him can pick up the slack. Other times they can’t. The psychology of the human beings involved is, in my opinion, part of the reason that it looks like 52.5% of the outcome of a game is luck. I don’t think it is – I think that there are just too many variables, most of them to do with human nature, to calculate.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Luck?
Maybe five percent of the game has to do with Luck. I mean, Indianapolis is obviously throwing their season. It’ll be more like 52.5 percent of the off-season will be about Luck.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
first time I have seen it
but it is a good one.
"Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity." Jack Layton (R.I.P.)
"My city's still breathing (but barely it's true) through buildings gone missing like teeth. The sidewalks are watching me think about you, all sparkled with broken glass. I'm back with scars to show. Back with the streets I know. They never take me anywhere but here. " John K Samson (Left and Leaving)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 26, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
So glad you made that point Tan.
Amazes me sometime how utterly disrespectful some fans are about the basic humanity of the players. They have families, there is a tremendous amount of work involved for even the worst of professional players. And even for the most successful of players the dream dies before dreams of most other folks even begins. This behavior is justified by the notion that because they are paid well that they are entitled to the abuse they receive if someone so chooses to give it. Iguess the ‘logic’ of that, though I certainly understand it.
Good job Rose. Right on the money. Missed ya.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Oct 25, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant to say
I guess I understand the ‘logic’ of that
sorry.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Oct 25, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Mean Joe
This discussion reminds me of something that Mean Joe Greene said once. I think it was in response to a question from a reporter, and he basically said that he wanted to be viewed as human being. I don’t recall the exact circumstances, but that’s a telling statement from someone that was one of the toughest players in NFL history.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 25, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The really critical part is that,
even when the Steelers are down (like 23 years down) their fans don’t desert them. They may bitch, gripe, moan and groan, but the Steelers are still their team. Part of that goes to ownership, part to management, and part to the traditions that the team members themselves honor and uphold, even in bad times.
The Steelers do it right.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Regarding human emotions
I hope the Steelers have the same intensity and emotions during the Ravens game as Freeney and Mathis did when they played them.
Go Steelers!
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Freeny Mathis
I was impressed by how hard those guys were playing. I suspect they are burnt out by now. It is tough when you have been on a winning team for so long to end up on an obvious loser.
"Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity." Jack Layton (R.I.P.)
"My city's still breathing (but barely it's true) through buildings gone missing like teeth. The sidewalks are watching me think about you, all sparkled with broken glass. I'm back with scars to show. Back with the streets I know. They never take me anywhere but here. " John K Samson (Left and Leaving)
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 26, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Guess what. Steelers have two "superbowls" and the next two weeks
Time for them to bring it harder than they have all season
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.
"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison
by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
Its hard to play
two Super Bowls back to back, hence the Raven’s drop off in Week 2.
Thats all I’m going to say about that.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If thats the case then I hope the Ravens game is the Super Bowl
Not that I want the Steelers to lose the Pats game but if it is going to be 1-1 then I would prefer the loss to be to the Pats.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
These are not Super Bowls,
but they are important to the season. I just hope the injury bug stays home COUNTERJINX.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Our Super Bowls are in February.
That’s the difference between the Ravens and the Steelers. Pittsburgh always has “man I’m just not sure they’re good enough” stretches, and Baltimore has stretches where they look completely invincible.
Pittsburgh improves to “playing good, consistent football,” and Baltimore implodes to “12-7 loss at Jacksonville after historically poor performance by QB.” By the end of the season, Baltimore rights its ship, but Pittsburgh has that consistent confidence. They know they can win late in the year.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Honestly, it's a good thing if we're everybody else's Superbowl
Just goes to show how far the Franchise is, and how successful the Steelers have been.
Needs moar Dukes
Sean Lee is the only tolerable thing about the Cowboys
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Oct 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
MaryRose -
you have a wise father. Heed him : )
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 25, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
As I'm finding out
kids like to do their own thing. lol
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
like a superbowl
Isn’t this wounded animal and playing like its the super bowl all part of having great team leaders and great coaches that take advantage of the leaders and motivate them to motivate the rest of the team to play beyond their talents and
Oh no, here comes the Pats.
by ibygeorge on Oct 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
All of the explanations will be tested next Sunday.
Well-written post. Until we play against top-shelf NFL talent, though, it’s tempting to give our mediocre opponents more credit than perhaps they deserve. I seem to recall that we lost the SB last February so, in reality, the Packers are the ones with the targets on their backs this season. If we play well against the Pats (win or lose), I might buy into the idea that perhaps Indy, the Texans and the Jags are better than we thought. But if Brady is back doing his usual post-game “smirk session” on Sunday evening, I guess we’ll have to admit that the jury is still out.
If the litmus test...
…is Green Bay and only Green Bay, why are we so pumped up to play the Patriots? The great teams always have targets on their backs. Pittsburgh is one of those teams, and so is New England. There’s only one champ, but there are a lot of former champs still playing high-level football. Pittsburgh needs this game, but in reality, you always need to win in your division more than anywhere else, so the game after this one is bigger, and the one after that is also huge. Come bye week, if the Steelers are 7-3, they’ve got a shot at it.
I cringed when I saw this three-game stretch on the schedule though.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 25, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Did us no favors
First, Cardinals are coming off a bye for a potential trap game.
Now after traveling 3 time zones we travel back three time zones to play our first 4 o clock game of the year against a team we have struggled with.
Then just in case we hadn’t caught our breathe yet we have are biggest rivals the following week.
emotionally it will be a draining two weeks, one thing people are overlooking, I hope we have enough juice afterwards to go into cincy and win.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cardinals game was at 4 also
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 25, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
but not really
they where in pacific time, so it was really a 1 o clock game
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 25, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Your internal clock doesn't switch that quickly
I am pretty sure after having been there for only a day it still felt like a 4:00 game to them
7-3 would be fine with me heading into the bye week.
I just think we’ll have a better idea of how competitive we truly are this season after we knock heads with the Pats and Ravens.
One thing NE will do that the Cards didn't;
make sure that the OTs know that Timmons and Woodley might try rushing the QB from the LOS. This is even more important in an empty-back set that lacks a RB to pickup the blitz. PFF hasn’t released grades for this game yet but I imagine the tackles for the Cardinals will receive poor grades.
It is what it is
There are all sorts of things NE will do that the Cards didn't
But outside of that, I thought the Cardinals tackles did fine, it was their interior that suffered. The Steelers brought pressure up the middle most frequently.
And to be fair, I would really hope every team that plays Pittsburgh realizes their OLBs might rush the passer.
by Neal Coolong on Oct 26, 2011 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at the film
when Timmons pressures Kolb into a hurry that turns into an interception by Clark, the Steelers are showing a four-man front that includes Timmons at RDE; and no one stops him from coming at Kolb. I don’t think he’s even touched.
Later the four-man front returns but with Woodley lined up there at LDE. The RT completely whiffs their assignment as no one stops Woodley from getting a safety.
It is what it is
“By the way, what did the Armegeddon Boys do the next week? They got manhandled by a Tennessee team that Pittsburgh later crushed. Life in the NFL. The Ravens would have lost to Bethune-Cookman that next week. They spent too much emotionally against Pittsburgh, albeit a wise expenditure.”
I think it would have been wiser to put forth that kind of effort in January ;)
We have a fantastic opportunity over the next two weeks. We can’t do anything about the Ravens/Steelers West game but even if the Ravens win we can still go up 7-2/5-3 by winning our next two games. If the Ravens lose next week & we win the next two, we are up 7-2/4-4 on them, the division is OURS, & we can start looking forward to possibly having home field advantage for the postseason.
Excellent post, Maryrose.
Reminded me of Detriot’s 3rd preseason game hosting the Pats.
It is what it is
Nice article
At this point, I think everyone has covered what I would have said. I’ll just say that I’m glad the Jags pulled it out last night. :) I’m always happy when a team loses after their fan(s) come around here talking smack.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 25, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
Holy crap
a random WPSF cameo
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 25, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Arn
Wassup! I still lurk a good bit. Don’t have as much time to post or comment as I used to.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 25, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's cool
Drop a line in the Driveby periodically. Like: “Wassup” lol
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

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