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Steelers vs. Patriots: Five Players to Watch in the Heavyweight Bout against New England

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Patriots weeks comes with that special feeling for Steelers fans. One the one hand, we are thirsting for putting an end to New England's recent dominance over our team. But on the other, we cannot forget the beatings that we have had to endure in years past. This week won't be any different, as the Patriots led by Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are marching into Heinz Field for a fight of football heavyweights against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Things have looked a lot better for our Steelers lately, rebounding strongly from a disappointing start into the 2011 season. The visit to Arizona last week was successful on all fronts, as Pittsburgh displayed an offense firing on all cylinders combined with a defense that seemed to get back track to its takeaway and point-scoring ways. The resulting 32-20 win looked closer than it was, thanks to great individual efforts by Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, and LaMarr Woodley among others.

But the win against the Cardinals is the past, and with New England a perennial championship contender is coming to town on Sunday. The Patriots sit atop the AFC having only lost a single game this season, relying majorly on a versatile air attack led by Brady and a surprisingly strong rushing attack.  The Steelers on the other hand moved into the AFC's second seed with Baltimore's loss this week, making Sunday's match up a true measuring stick for this year's contenders in the AFC title race.

If recent history is any indication, New England will once again leave Heinz Field in celebration amid disconcerted Steeler players and fans. But who's to say that the fortunes can't change? Certainly, Pittsburgh will have to play on top of its game in order to overcome history and beat the Patriots at home. These Five Players to Watch will have to play a major role if Pittsburgh is to come away with a victory against Belichick and his troupe.

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5. Antonio Brown, #84, Wide Receiver, 2nd Year

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Much has been written lately about Mike Wallace and his ascent into the NFL receiver elite. But, not unbeknownst to Steelers fans, a second wide receiver has quietly made an impact on Pittsburgh's offense ever since being drafted in the 6th round of the 2010 draft. His name is Antonio Brown, and he has made a name for himself both through impressive special teams play and dependable receptions over the middle. He showcased his talents and rapport with quarterback Ben Roethlisberger last Sunday, when the two connected seven times for 103 yards - breaking the century mark for the first time in his young career.

In a great piece on Brown this week, our own Neal Coolong pointed out that the young wide receiver has been responsible for over 950 yards this season in both returns and receptions. Because aside from having been targeted 48 times in the passing game this season, Brown has quietly situated himself among the top kickoff and punt returners in the AFC. He has almost taken one to the house a few times already, and seven special teams points would surely be appreciated in a game that is anticipated to be high-scoring. And even if his returns are contained, Brown could easily be the difference maker on the Steelers offense this week. Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for his defensive prowess, and it is not inconceivable to think that he might limit number one threat Wallace. But as was the case last Sunday, Wallace's deep routes open up the shorter routes that Brown has consistently been able to exploit this season. At the same time, the 32nd ranked pass defense of the Patriots has given up over 75 yards per game to their opponent's second leading receiver. What can Brown do for you? Reach the end zone, preferably more than once, and the Steelers' chances for a win greatly increase.

 

4. William Gay, Cornerback, #22, 5th Year

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Remember when William Gay was the goat (no, not G.O.A.T.) around these parts? Admittedly, his play in the past couple of seasons was not necessarily an endorsement for the 2007 5th round draft pick. On multiple occasions, he was picked apart regardless of whether he played on the outside or in the nickel. But this season has been different, as he has wrestled the second starting cornerback position away from Bryant McFadden while moving into the slot in nickel situations. Against the Cardinals last week, Gay was only targeted three times and allowed just one completion while chipping in with some impressive tackling.

Nonetheless, the young corner's recent history against the Patriots is worrisome. He was found early and often by Tom Brady last year while attempting to cover 6'6 mismatch Rob Gronkowski. The dangerous tight end finished the game with three touchdown receptions, all while being covered by 5'10 Gay. Steelers fans everywhere are praying that coach LeBeau will find someone else to cover Grownkowski this Sunday, but chances are Tom Brady will remember his fortunes against the Steelers' #22 last year. Especially because Tomlin has been hesitant to commit to putting top cover corner Ike Taylor in the slot, coincidentally the favorite position of the NFL's leading receiver Wes Welker. As a result, Wes Welker might well be matched up against Gay, arguably the Steelers' best slot corner. I fully expect Tom Brady and his #1 ranked passing offense to stay away from Taylor while looking for Welker, especially if the latter is matched up with Gay. If the Steelers want to avoid nightmares of Gay's counterpart single-handedly putting the game away once again, William Gay will have to continue his impressive season and prove the doubters wrong.

 

3. Lawrence Timmons, Linebacker, #94, 5th Year

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Lawrence Timmons was supposed to have the year of his career, asserting himself among the NFL's best linebackers after signing a big contract extension this off season. Then came the injury to both James Harrison and his backup Jason Worilds, requiring Timmons to move outside for the past three games. He has not made much noise since, perhaps showing his inexperience as outside linebacker. Yet this week, Timmons got an unexpected endorsement from Harrison who is convinced that he "plays the outside linebacker position the way it needs to be played."

Against the Patriots, Timmons needs to make more of an impact than just provoking a post game quote. He will quite possibly be moved around more than outside linebackers usually are, allowing LeBeau to utilize his speed and athleticism. Despite playing outside instead of inside, he could regularly draw the assignment of covering either Gronkowski or Aaron Hernandez, two tight ends that have wreaked havoc and created mismatches among every defense they have played this year. Timmons is one of the few people in the league that could athletically match up with either, and I don't expect a defensive genius like LeBeau to miss out on that opportunity while ignoring last season's mistakes. And even if Timmons rushes the passer, don't expect him to test pro bowl left tackle Matt Light too often. Instead, he will likely test the Patriot's center position, where back up Dan Conolly has taken over for injured Dan Koppen with mixed results. Timmons, who has yet to record a sack this season, excels in rushes through the middle and could benefit there from the return of nose tackle Casey Hampton. Whether it's shutting down one of the tight ends or getting to Tom Brady, a convincing game by Timmons could go a long way toward securing a Steeler win.

 

2. Ziggy Hood, Left Defensive End, #96, 3rd Year

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The future is now for Ziggy Hood. Despite starting the majority of last season because of an injured Aaron Smith, the young defensive end was once again relegated to a back up role when Smith returned this season. But when the unfortunate Smith was again forced on Injured Reserve with a neck problem this year, Hood stepped into the starting line up once again and has performed admirably. Just ask LaMarr Woodley, who is averaging almost 2 sacks a game since the return of the 2009 first round pick. Against the Patriots, Ziggy has the chance to make a name for himself not only among Steelers fans, but to the rest of the league. 

One of the most troublesome aspects of Tom Brady's game is that he can read defenses and attack the blitz perhaps better than any other quarterback in the NFL. Rushing more than four to five people often results in necessary mismatches in the secondary, which are routinely exploited by the Patriots for big gains. But if the defensive front line can get to Brady on their own, he has had trouble. Just ask the 2007 Giants, who beat the Patriots behind a dominant defensive line performance. In the past, the Steelers had to rely on their linebackers to get to an opposing quarterback. But with young, dynamic defensive ends like Hood and this year's first rounder Cameron Heyward excelling in pass rushes, the future might look very different than the recent, disappointing past. How about this fact: For the first 5 weeks, Hood lead his team in quarterback pressures. Late last year, he recorded a sack in four consecutive games despite playing a position that requires opening holes rather than breaking through them. And Hood is capable of playing defensive tackle in the nickle and dime defenses as well; a talent that came in handy against the Cardinals and could be even more useful against a spread offense like that of the Patriots. If he can collapse the pocket consistently while not giving up ground in the run game, we might very well be looking at a Steelers win on Sunday.

 

1. Ben Roethlisberger, Quarterback, #7, 8th Year

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Save the best for last. Although perhaps too obvious of a choice, Ben Roethlisberger will be the single most important difference maker in a Steeler uniform on Sunday. After a horrendous start to the 2011 season, Ben has come on strong in the past three games by passing for 9 touchdowns and 1 interception while posting an average passer rating of above 110. He has had big games despite a constantly changing offensive line, which has not started the same combination in two consecutive games this season. But most importantly, he has an arsenal of offensive weapons that he is finally starting to use.

Hines Ward may not play on Sunday; but even if the veteran is forced to sit out against the Patriots, the group of pass-catching Steelers is not to be frowned at. Wallace, Brown, and Emanuel Sanders combine with Heath Miller and Jericho Cotchery to provide an impressive mix of speed and toughness but above all, Roethlisberger is starting to learn how to take advantage of all his weapons. Miller, Brown, Sanders, and Wallace all had big games last week, as Ben spread the ball around on short, intermediate, and long routes alike. What's more, the vaunted Steeler defense has traditionally not figured out how to slow down Brady and the Patriots offense. If that is the case again on Sunday, a shootout is likely and for the first time in years, the Steelers seem well equipped enough to match the Patriots point for point. But to do so, Roethlisberger has to cut down on the mistakes such as his pick six in last year's game which put that contest away for good. A Belichick-led defense against the Steelers should never be underestimated, but this year's version is less than impressive against the pass and could be exploited. Will the real Roethlisberger please stand up? If it's the one that threw five touchdowns against Tennessee in week 5, the Steelers are in good shape to reverse their fortune and beat the Patriots on Sunday.

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Of course, winning is a team effort and if the Steelers are looking to come away with the victory, more than these five players have to bring their best game. For Roethlisberger to match Brady, his offensive line will have to give him ample time in the pocket. LaMarr Woodley needs to continue his great streak, making Brady uncomfortable before he throws. A timely turnover by Troy Polamalu, as we have seen so often, would be greatly appreciated. Brett Keisel might be having the best year of his career, and like Hood has been able to get to the quarterback. And James Farrior and Larry Foote need to ensure that the Patriots' 10th ranked rushing attack doesn't take the Steelers defense by surprise. Who are your Five Players to Watch this week?

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this is the key

1. Turnovers!! If we lose that battle, we lose the game, PERIOD, end of story.
2. Special teams: we need a big special teams. Last year, reed missed an easy field goal. I an talking about A. Brown finally breaking one.
3. Offense: Needs long drives frustrating the Pat Offense.
4. Defense: We had not made ANY big plays VS the pats since Halloween 2004. We need them desperately to win this game.

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Oct 28, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Defense did make a number of big plays

in the 2008 destruction of New England at Foxboro. Timmons had a 89 yard interception return, and the Steelers recorded 5 sacks, and forced three turnovers.

by SteelStealth on Oct 28, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

VS Tom Brady we hadn't!

A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
'I rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me'..General George Patton
" I don't care if he has two horns and a tail, as long as he is anti-communist"..General Douglas MacArthur..
"The way to end our dependence on foreign oil is to keep our tires properly inflated"....B. Hussein Obama
"Government is not the solution to our problems, it is the cause of them" Ronald Wilson Reagan..40th President of the United States

by nycsteelerfan on Oct 29, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

ummm

yes they did. in Ben’s rookie year

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf is up with your signature

you should consider very seriously the possibility of changing it

by the_proph on Oct 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides

I thought this was a football forum.

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because you disagree with it doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be allowed to have it as her signature. It’s as simple as not reading it if you have a problem with her opinions. We can still have opinions, right?

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using your logic

the_proph shouldn’t be allowed to have the pic he has, because, ya know, this is a football forum and nothing else should be allowed.

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A picture of tomlin?

shouldnt b allowed?

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 29, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

I take this comment back. I thought it was a picture of God, not Tomlin.

My bad y’all.

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hjaha i can see it

by klompus on Oct 30, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You want me to quote you

in another thread about insulting peoples sensibilities with their opinions?

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I know what comments you are talking about.

The difference is that not only were you were leaving political comments on a football blog, but also generalizing a whole political group, which is just insulting, which is why I retaliated and mentioned that politics should be left out of this blog. However, she never left insulting comments or generalizations and her opinions are kept to a small block of barely legible writing.

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Last time I checked this was a football blog, and leaving political quotes by political figures in your user signature is spreading propaganda. You can’t spin it any other way. All you do by justifying it is reveal your hypocrisy. Those quotes are not only non football related, but misleading, taken out of context, and racist. I might also add intentionally spun to manipulate those less intelligent.

If you believe that crap, fine, but don’t act all high an mighty to correct me about stating facts, well accepted in the intelligent community, about conservatism and right wing agendas.

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And just to cap it all off

!0 seconds of internet research resulted in the following :

Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate.

Bertrand Russell

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

Abraham Lincoln

It’s a form of tyranny. But, that’s the whole point of corporatization – to try to remove the public from making decisions over their own fate, to limit the public arena, to control opinion, to make sure that the fundamental decisions that determine how the world is going to be run – which includes production, commerce, distribution, thought, social policy, foreign policy, everything – are not in the hands of the public, but rather in the hands of highly concentrated private power. In effect, tyranny unaccountable to the public.

Noam Chomsky

Government is a contrivance of human wisdom to provide for human wants. People have the right to expect that these wants will be provided for by this wisdom.

Jimmy Carter

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’"

Isaac Asimov

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This will be the day when we bring into full realization the American dream — a dream yet unfulfilled. A dream of equality of opportunity, of privilege and property widely distributed; a dream of a land where men will not take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few;

Martin Luther King

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

my problem with the quotes

is they take up too much damn space.
that’s like 3 inches of screen every time she types

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

3" of hiding behind patriotism.

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You seem to have missed the point (like usual).

I wasn’t agreeing with her or her quotes/opinions, and don’t really care about your beliefs, but for someone to tell her to change her signature because they don’t like it is childish and ignorant.

And if we’re talking about hypocrisy, how about you leaving numerous political comments on numerous posts and then crying over her signature. So, if I’m being hypocritical (which I might be, I’ll admit), so are you.

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it ok

to ask her to change it because it takes up so much damn space?

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really care

but to ask someone to change their signature because you don’t believe in their political stance is ignorant.

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think y'all have large pumpkins up your butts and should chill.

I'll be hiking the Pacific Crest Trail from May, 2011 to Sept., 2011, to raise money for charity. For more info, please visit: http://thf2.wordpress.com

by Fifty-Eight on Oct 30, 2011 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what does that mean?

large pumpkins on our butts?

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think it means;

focus on football, where talk is far more often backd up by results.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 30, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure you're right

unless you are familiar with that phrase…that doesn’t sound like what that means.

i mean, i only jokingly made a comment about how it takes up too much screen…

but if that’s a phrase i don’t know about…break it down for me. (or just take off without answering like usual)

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I take offense

The “wtf” I included wasn’t the high-water mark of diplomacy, but I like coming on here and reading and learning about football. There are an endless parade of forums on the web to which that signature would be better suited. BTSC carves out a space for thoughtful and provoking communication about football. Why sully it with talk of religion, politics, and jingoism?

I may be a total lefty, but if I saw a signature of misleading left-wing drivel, I’d like to think I would have made the exact same request.

Anyhow, what I did I cannot see as ignorant, and you should consider very seriously the possibility of apologizing ;)

by the_proph on Oct 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

My quick rundown before I prepare for what promises to be a memorable costume party;

1: Kyle Arrington, #24, Cornerback. He’s been showing brilliance this year, with QBs throwing at him having a pathetic 60 or so QBR plus 4 interceptons. He’ll likely be on Brown or Wallace as it seems Hines will not be playing

2: Aaron Hernandez, #81, Tight End. He’s a wide receiver who acts like a tight end at times and can be even more of a threat than Gronkowski(the complete TE). Now over a month removed from his knee injury, he’s ready to tear into a weakened Steeler linebacking corps.

3: Brian Waters, #54, Right Guard. I see your left-defensive end Ziggy Hood and I raise you a Waters. Hell of a matchup. Waters has been a well-aged beast for us since we signed him.

4: Albert Haynesworth, #92, Defensive Tackle. Did someone say something about a battered offensive-line? Did you know when Haynesworth came here, he restructed his contract to be mostly based off of incentives? He wants to play, needs to to earn money, and he might be finally healthy coming off the bye. Look at pictures of him from late last year to get a feel for how far “Fat Albert” has come.

5: Brandon Spikes, #55, Line Backer. I see your Big Ben and I raise you a MIKE. He was having a great training camp before an ankle injury sidelined him. He’s intense, prone to celebrate, and beginning to earn the nickname “the Predator” due to his hair and physical style. He attacks the line of scrimmage. Against the Cowboys, his performance earned him mention on ProFootballFocus’ ALL PFF Team for Week 6; essentially labeling him the best 4-3 MIKE to play that week.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 28, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok.

1) Arrington. Hope he has something that every other team hasn’t had, or he’ll be blushing all day when Wallace burns him deep or Brown draws him in short. Everyone knows Wallace is going deep, and no one can stop him. Good luck sweet little Kyle!

2) Fat Albert. I’ll believe it when I see it. And I don’t see it.

3) Spikes. Yet another defensive player with that last name. Yet another defensive player nicknamed “Predator” due to his long flowing dreds and playing style. Just someone I see Ben being on the winning side of the field of.

I'll be hiking the Pacific Crest Trail from May, 2011 to Sept., 2011, to raise money for charity. For more info, please visit: http://thf2.wordpress.com

by Fifty-Eight on Oct 28, 2011 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Please don't use that QBR

that ESPN made up stat is so phooney its not even believable. It exactly had Dan Olvsky 2008 season better than Ben R. 2008 season.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 29, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

no kidding

every time i see that shit on tv, i cringe. it’s such a stupid stat.
it makes no sense whatsoever.
I don’t know if they plan on marketing “total qbr” products or something in the future, if so i understand why they are pushing it. But it’s downright retarded.

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget

Tebow was better than Rodgers according to that stat.

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
a pathetic 60 or so QBR

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well... here's non-ESPN
He’s been targeted 28 times this season and has given up 14 receptions for 235 yards, one touchdown and a 51 passer rating against. Those numbers place him in good company even when traveling outside of the borders of Foxborough.

Pro Football Focus, which breaks down and grades every play in every game played, grades Arrington as the 13th best cornerback in the NFL, and his passer rating against — no doubt helped by those interceptions — places him second behind New York’s Darrell Revis among players who have played more than 200 snaps.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's also worth mentioning...

…that Arrington went against Henne for the minute when he managed to play well(and before he was lost for the season), Rivers, Fitzpatrick, Campbell, Sanchez, and Romo. Compare that to who Ike Taylor’s been up against…

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

so...1 good quarterback? and one better than average qb?

sweet!

I guess he’s the best cornerback ever then.

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who were the Colts and Jags playing?

Painter, Collins, McCown, Gabbert? How good is Kolb, Hasselbeck, and Jackson?

Are Shaub and Flacco better than Rivers, Fitzpatrick, and Romo?

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you seriously asking if Matt Schaub is better than Fitzpartick and Romo? Are you kidding right now? you have to be right?
We’ll just say you’re right. The Patriots are the best, nothing they do is wrong, they have the best players at every position. No weaknesses…perfect, period. There ya go

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as Rivers

any other year, i’d have him as a top 5-7 QB
this year, he’s almost as bad as Dirty Sanchez and Romo

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN's QBR is lame

They want sooooo badly to gave created the measuring stick by which QB effectiveness and excellence is judged. It’s almost a desperate grasping on their part.

Lame.

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 30, 2011 12:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

then they go say

“Tebow is better than Rodgers” or something like that..
that’s not even the dumbest claim they’ve made either

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

1. Kyle Arrington. Him and what safety? Before this season how many INT’s did he have? That’s right, 1. Six good games doesn’t mean you can take Mike Wallace out of a game by yourself. But he’s good this year!
2. Brian Waters wasn’t released by the Chiefs, who desperately need OL, because he’s an AllPro. A couple good games doesn’t mean he’s suddenly 5 years younger.
4. Sorry, call back when Albert (Fat or no) has raised his tackles/game to, I dunno, ONE. And “might be healthy” is hardly a ringing endorsement.
5. “Raise you a MIKE” HUH??? Ray Lewis doesn’t trump an elite quarterback, Terrell Suggs maybe. If Spikes’ 0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 forced fumbles, 0 passes defensed are somehow supposed to neutralize Big Ben, what does Woodley’s 5.5 sacks over the past 3 games (7 total) and an interception mean for Brady? What exactly are we supposed to be aware of Spikes doing? Being intense, celebrating, or his physical style in attacking the line of scrimmage (without actually tackling anybody)?

by Steelgator on Oct 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Pat's fan, and you raise VERY good points.

I think just being a Pats fan and having the D we’ve had these past few years, seeing someone show a little intensity gets us excited, and Spikes does that. Sometimes a defense just needs a little fire to raise up.

However, I do disagree on your assessment of Brian Waters. He had not liked being in another “Regime Change” since Pioli and Haley arrived. He tried to get out earlier, but was unable to. After this past season, Waters and the Chiefs agreed to mutually part ways. So he still has a little something left in the tank.

Haynesworth is a little iffy for me, I like to see him push the pocket when he’s in, but he’s just so rarely in the game to matter much. I do like Arrington though, I was high on him last year even when other Pats fans complained about him all the time. I saw his physicality that was lacking in the D, and was hoping for improvement, which looks like it is going well.

If you guys can’t tell, I enjoy a physical and intense defense, so yeah, basically I just want the Pats to morph into what you guys already have on D.

by PieEyedPiper on Oct 29, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid choices

And I think Timmons could be the key, whether by forcing TOs on passes to their TEs or in rushing Brady on blitzes. No linebacker in the NFL gets into the opponent’s backfield faster than Timmons and he’s quick enough to give Brady some problems.

by Billy52 on Oct 28, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a question of how the Patriots match-up with Timmons.

Gronkowski has become the best blocking tight end in the league. He’s also one of Brady’s favorite weapons. If the Patriots ask Gronkowski to block Timmons, then both players will be removed from the game. If I were the Steelers, I’d rush Timmons all day to force the Patriots to add an extra blocker.

by Richard Hill on Oct 28, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

"best blocking tight end in the league"

Is that the usual fan hyperbole, or do you really believe he’s already the best, bar none?

Are you on Facebook? Have you connected with BTSC's page yet? You should.

by barnerburner on Oct 28, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he is the best, bar none.

Pro Football Focus agrees and I believe that other analysts wouldn’t disagree. And by “best blocking tight end” I mean “best blocking tight end who is a starting player”. There could be other better blockers, but out of the starting tight ends in the league, Gronkowski has been regarded as the best this season.

by Richard Hill on Oct 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

His versatility is what makes him my favorite player.

He can do Pass D, run block, run routes, and catch very reliably. He’s such a keg cog to the no-huddle attack.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure rushing Timmons all day will work because

the Pats have a good running game and rushing Timmons may have him out of postion resulting in a big running gain. The only thing that I’ve seen that has been effective is different schemes and stunt looks in the D-line to make Brady second guess the play. Seems when Brady is confused going to the line he makes a mistake or wrong decision.

by PVS53 on Oct 29, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw the picture of Guyton apparently helping break up a play...

…was that his only break-up of the season?

Middlesex did a good job posting the Patriots’ side of the match-up. Here’s how I feel:

1: Brown vs Arrington – I feel like the edge goes to Brown. Arrington is a great defender with the receiver in front of him, but I feel like Brown might cause some problems with his receiving skills.
2: Gay vs Hernandez – Hernandez often mirrors Welker in the opposite slot and runs a deeper route. I feel like the advantage goes to Hernandez over whoever lines up in the slot (unless it’s Ike Taylor, in which case I feel like Hernandez could be limited, but would open up the field for the other receivers). As for Gronkowski, he’ll have to be double covered by a linebacker jam at the line, followed by a LB trail, and by a safety over the top, because he can beat almost every safety one-on-one.
3: Gronkowski vs Timmons – If Timmons is playing OLB, I can just guess that he’ll be the backer asked to chip at Gronkowski and possibly trail in coverage. I’m not sure how Timmons has adjusted to OLB, but this should be a great match-up. Of course, I’m just guessing this match-up and have no idea how it will actually play out on the field.
4: Hood vs Waters – As a Patriots fan, I’m most confident in Waters who has been the best lineman for the team. However, Hood seems to be an emerging player. Pro Football Focus has Hood with a negative grade, but I’ll say that this could be an even match-up.
5: Ben vs Pats Secondary – Yikes. This depends on the Patriots pass rush. If Andre Carter can generate enough pressure to get under Ben’s skin and not let Wallace or Sanders get down the field, the Patriots secondary could have a less difficult day. The Steelers O-Line is coming together, so the real battle is the O-Line vs the D-Line. Wilfork vs Pouncey and Foster. Carter vs Starks. Haynesworth vs Kemo. Ellis vs Gilbert. These should all be great match-ups. Could be a push.

by Richard Hill on Oct 28, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be surpised

if you see Gay on Hernandez this game.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 29, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good analysis

I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Wallace, though. Do you see McCourtney on him, I assume with safety help every play.

Matching up Gay vs Hernandez makes me shudder, but I can’t really think of who might do a better job unless maybe Polamalu. If it were me, I would run a lot of zone in the middle of the field, encouraging my guys to jump routes like crazy, try to force fumbles and generally not worry about giving up yards. I figure y’all will move the ball down the field on us regardless, so we might as well take risks in the middle of the field and then tighten up as the field shortens and receivers have less room to run. This would also help disrupt the rhythm of the Pat’s offense, kind of like switching from a press to half-court defense in basketball.

by Steelgator on Oct 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was mostly responding to the 5 players to watch.

I expect Wallace to be doubled and bracketed by McCourty and a Safety every single play and twice during time outs.

I think the Patriots realize that they have a big advantage in the slot with either Welker or Hernandez and that Branch will be extremely limited by Ike. Look for the Patriots to only throw down the middle of the field.

by Richard Hill on Oct 29, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can bet the Steelers staff has communicated to the OL

Just how important, crucial, it is that Ben gets time and stays upright. If the Pats get in the backfield, Wallace and Briwn are neutralized, and with them neutralized, Mendenhall is compromised, and with no running game to help keep the Pats D honest…?

Ugliness. And a loss.

So in this game more than any other this year, it will ALL start up front. We have a chance to either destroy the Pats big time, or get our butts handed to us. Just my thoughts.

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 30, 2011 12:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

All I'm saying is;

whatsup with Pouncey? Seems off.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 30, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude, you already know

he doesn’t play for the Patriots.
is that not the difference between all good and bad players? isn’t it? ISN’T IT?

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Continuity

His guards on either side keep changing every other week.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 30, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Smith is on IR?

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Oct 28, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

Sorry, just looked it up. That is surprising.

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Oct 28, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been out of the loop for a little bit?

Are you on Facebook? Have you connected with BTSC's page yet? You should.

by barnerburner on Oct 28, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This joke is on me. How about a double? Who did we sign?

"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.

by alfresco on Oct 28, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corbin Bryant

UDFA out of Northwestern was promoted from the practice squad

Are you on Facebook? Have you connected with BTSC's page yet? You should.

by barnerburner on Oct 28, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good

Like rookies being promoted from the practice squad. Thank you for the info.

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by alfresco on Oct 28, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write up

but I would take the following sceanrio in a heartbeat: we lose to NE, and beat Batimore and Cincy to be 7-3 headed into our bye.

Sure we could beat NE especially if we get big games from the players you listed above, I’m just not sure it means anything. A “big” win in October is relatively menaingless come playoff time as we proved in ‘04 when we beat NE in the regular season and lost in the playoffs. Also, I think it’s hard enough to beat Brady and Bellicheck once in a season never mind if we beat them Sunday and had to beat them again in the playoffs.

Strange as it may sound, I would like our chances better in the playoffs against the Pats if we were to get blown out on Sunday than if we win. If we win, we just might make them real mad come playoff time. We always play much better when no one gives us a chance and are underdogs.

While this week can be considered a big game…the next week v. the Ravens will definitely be the “big” game.

by SteelerMike on Oct 28, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, if the Ravens don't soon get their act together,

Next week’s game might not be nearly as big a challenge as Sunday’s game. The Ratbirds looked absolutely sick against the Jags last Monday night.

by Billy52 on Oct 28, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

it wasn’t too much earlier in the season that the jagoffs gave the steelers some headaches.

anyhow, clearly better to take the division win over the ravens, but don’t we all have a huge chip on our shoulder about the pats?

by the_proph on Oct 29, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

*

The Patriots’ 04 playoff victory against us was greatly influence by their spying on us, but I agree that other than bragging rights, the only thing that separates a “W” this week from any other is that it could have playoff seeding implications if the Pat’s and us end up with the same record. There’s a chance that this game decides on whose turf we play in the playoffs, but the Ravens game is undoubtedly bigger.

by Steelgator on Oct 29, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greatly influenced lol

Have you even seen the tapes on youtube. Half of it consists of the cheerleaders.

by Crizzle12 on Oct 29, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course we have never seen those tapes, you moron.

Goodell watched them and immediately destroyed them.

And took the word of the Patsies* that they had destroyed all evidence gathered through the illegal taping.

The word of, you know, the same lying, cheating coaching staff that intentionally violated the rules in the first place.

by BuccoFan21 on Oct 29, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey buddy

Guess what there are tapes on youtube! Not hard to find them. So before you start calling other people morons you should with all due respect go and get a fucking clue…

by Crizzle12 on Oct 30, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

you think the Patriots cheat tapes are available on youtube?
hahaha….wow, you are dumber than i originally thought
rest assured, i never thought it was possible to be dumber…
you sure proved me wrong…

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you a Jets fan or a Patriots fan?

or is it just whoever is winning more at that time?

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know

they looked bad offensively Monday night…I loved it. I’m curious to see how they look v. Arizona. If Flacco continues to struggle the discontent from the fans and negative publicity will only get worse, bigtime.

Regardless, they will come ready to play against us in 2 weeks, you can believe that.

by SteelerMike on Oct 28, 2011 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Baltimore's got nothing to worry about

Every team puts up clunker performances like they did – to varying levels. Flacco was pretty gawd-awful, no doubt, but they’ll be fine. Rice will have 30 touches against Arizona, Baltimore will win by 30, and they’ll be nice and confident going into Pittsburgh.

If they struggle against Arizona, though…

by Neal Coolong on Oct 29, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great points

I would like to mention though that Ben’s pick-6 against the Pats was off a tipped ball so not so much his fault.

But yes, Ben has to play a pretty much flawless game. And the receivers have to step up and make plays.

Our O can put up 30+ to go toe to toe with the Pats. Meanwhile, our D is the best on the field, and will definitely force the Pats into some punts and maybe a turnover.

I said elsewhere, we gotta control the tempo. Shake it up, but keep the pats off the field as much as possible. Then they’ll get out of rhythm and throw some bad balls or make a mistake.

by Mechem on Oct 28, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The Diesel might surprise

Since he’s gotten back on the field, Brett Keisel has been tearing it up. Tom Terrific might be seeing 99 a bit more often on Sunday.

Gerela's Gorillas are here for the show
and so is Franco's Army
It's been many years in coming
just watch that Steeler machinery humming!

by GoldMetalDefense on Oct 29, 2011 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

The Steeler "D"

The offense will be fine. The defense needs to step it up and smack Brady in the mouth. The only teams that have success against him are the ones who constantly apply pressure (i.e. Giants SB XLII, Jets last year playoffs, Bills this year). The Steelers need to do the same. If Brady doesn’t have time to throw, Welker, Gronkowski, etc won’t really matter.

by pittcop on Oct 29, 2011 7:03 AM EDT reply actions  

The Pats lost to the Bills because

Brady had 4 interceptions; one or two tipped at the LOS, one bounced off an outlet-RBs hands, and one pure interception. One was returned for a pick-6 and the other drives resulting from TO resulted in the majority of the Bills points.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really; those 4 interceptions were not due to hits.

They were due to the less-sexy kind of pressure. Brady had guys around his feet, couldn’t step into his throws. That’s also why those d-linemen were able to tip those balls. Pushing the line back towards him works a hell of a lot better than bringing it from the edges, which is where the Steelers excel.
Brady’s done better against 5+ man rushes than 3 or 4 man rushes.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he didn't have guys around his feet

if he did, there wouldn’t have been int’s because there would be flags all over the place
and if you try to say that flags don’t get thrown for a defensive player being on the ground within 5 feet of him, i’ll know you have blind love

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to Antonio Garay who

took a deliberate low-hit at Brady’s knee(THE knee) and wasn’t flagged for it. Although he did get fined later.

Brady got hit like 10 times against the Cowboys, so you obviously need to stop talking and start watching some film.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

i can’t find old patriots games as of right now. But i do remember a play from last season where the defensive player got blocked, knocked over, and rolled a couple feet. Still about 5 feet away from brady, but he did that whiny bitch thing and started jumping up and down and pointing to the ref..
5-10 seconds later, two flags came up, converting the first down for him.

I’ve also seen him get hit at the exact moment the ball was released, and a flag was thrown. He is the most protected qb in the league, and by far the softest.
these are facts

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

the ladies love him…

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

he doesn’t do it for me…

But then I’m picky

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by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

does that mean

you don’t like d-bags?

what type of man does it for you?, if you don’t mind me asking

like…actual men? obviously girly men don’t, as you’ve pointed out

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

I like a nerdy guy, who happens to be my engineer/scientist husband. Football guys? I like Troy. Stick around for my patented mock drafts next spring. I use my own special metric, BLA (best-looking player available) to make my picks. Many people think that “special” in this context is sort of like “short-bus.”

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by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 30, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i will stick around, because everything i’ve ever read by you has been freaking awesome..i always look forward to what you got comin…I’m also interested just to see who your BLA’S are
as long as we agree that Mr Bundchen isn’t our type..that’s cool lol
It’s too bad you’re so far away, you seem to have a firm grasp on the music thing, and i always have a lot to learn when it comes to that…

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its ok to admit

Brady had a bad game. Those passes were tipped bu they were still bad passes. Its ok Brady is human.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it when people insist I'm in love with Brady.

Thought his last few games were less than impressive. We certainly haven’t seen his 1st quarter form since the Bills game when he averaged over 90% on completions.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't insist

just saying if you really think flags aren’t thrown every time someone is in his “personal space zone” (5 feet) then you are blindly in love, that’s all

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

hating based on what i see with him, compared to what everyone sees with our quarterback..
it’s ridiculous.
But honestly, i’d rather be on this side. I’d hate to have a bitch for a qb, no matter how good he is

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you regarding his attitude.

That indignant look of his pisses me off. Glad he cut his hair.

Ben didn’t look indignant when he played with a crushed nose.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops sorry

should have been clearer.
I mean it’s how Brady can’t be touched, or the other team is in trouble.
Even if he isn’t touched, there are still flags thrown sometimes if they are positioned below his knees when they land

Ben gets murdered every game, and I’ve seen one roughing the passer call this year that i can remember

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, but last week

they did “protect” him, by blowing the whistle when he just got done shaking a guy off him, then proceeded to step out of the guys arms that had slid down to his ankles in the process of the shaking..

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the Michael Vick situation.

Ben is Big Ben. He doesn’t run like Michael Vick, but his strength and tremendous ability to throw when he’s on the run makes him a different kind of QB.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

the situation you are talking about

is how they are guilty parties in the court of public opinion.
If the ball is out, and they get nailed, how the hell are you going to say the flag wasn’t thrown because they could have ran?
the ball is gone no matter what. What is he going to do? Use his vacuum powers to suck the ball back in to his hand and then run with it?

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone seems to be talking about the passing game, so I'll take a different approach.

Obviously, Ben and Young Money need to have a great game to keep pace with the Pats, but I’m not sure that happens if we don’t get some consistent run-blocking and an agressive rushing attack from Mendenhall.

I believe Ben is a top tier QB, but I’ve never felt exactly comfortable relying on him to deliver a big game. If our rag-tag o-line can create some holes, and Mendy, Redman and the rest of the crew can take advantage and gnash this Patriots defense for big gains, I’ll feel much more comfortable about our chances.

Conversely, we can’t allow BJE to beat us on the defensive end if we want a shot at containing Brady, Welker, and their two-headed TE monster.

by r0ry on Oct 29, 2011 7:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

We need to run the ball not only to keep the d honest but to also keep those safeties up. You better believe they are going to be protecting against the deep ball.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree we need to run EFFECTIVELY

I just think this will be a shoot out if we win it, and I’m afraid of wasting multiple series because we had to watch the dancing spin o rama generate negative plays and put BB into constant 3rd and longs. I have a HELL of a lot more faith in Ben to deliver than Mendy.

Now if Mendy were out and we had the Redman / Dwyer combo that was by far our most effective running game this year then I might have more hope we could run the ball.

by lkwdsteel on Oct 29, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soft zone we lose, press coverage we win

Our cornerbacks have to step up and press cover. This will give our blitz time to get to Brady.

by Yount on Oct 29, 2011 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Press coverage is great

when you have corners who can do it well. If you don’t, it doesn’t work out. The early pains of our Pass D was due to trying to switch to man-coverage(lockout pains) from a mainly-zone concept.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just read that Farrior is questionable

Who the hell else will play if he can’t go? Like we need somebody slow get even slower in the middle?

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Stevenson Sylvester hopefully.

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"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who's behind him?

When is the last time he say 60 minutes of playing time?

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn't

But sometimes, that’s the way the game works. I don’t think Sylvester’s “ready” yet, but he looks like he might have what it takes down the line.

It’s not where you’d like to throw him in, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he shows something in whatever time he gets.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

never

i don’t think any defense has ever been on the field the entire game
:p

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I mean though

He hasn’t had playing time that compares with the speed and intensity of a game for a full 60 minutes. I wonder if he can keep up.

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know..just being a smart ass

let’s hope he takes advantage of this opportunity

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by FrankWyt on Oct 29, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might be a positive if Sly plays

he has a lot more of a chance covering than Farrior does these days even when healthy. If he’s nicked up and slowed down then it would be worse.

by lkwdsteel on Oct 29, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could be a dumb idea but maybe this could illiminate Gronkowski

How about let Heyward/McLendon play DE, Hampton at NT, and Hood at DE and let Brett Keisel play as a “monster backer” in place of Timmons who could be moved back to ILB. Have Heyward/McLendon force the LT to block them and have Keisel pass rush every play to force Gronkowski to block him (which Keisel should be able to dominate). Either that or they would be forced to make a back up tackle to play TE to stop Keisel which Keisel should still dominate and it eliminates a weapon for Brady.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

eliminate*

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

MAYBE but..

The RB in the backfield will block Keisel freeing up Gronk….

by PVS53 on Oct 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rathe see Timmons back at ILB and put Chris Carter on the outside, if only to occupy Matt Light. Timmons in the middle is our best chance to cover the TEs and slots


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by michaelbro8 on Oct 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

what RB would sacrifice his life to stop the Deisel? I mean, really, a RB on a DE 1 on 1 is a pretty tall order.

by Steelgator on Oct 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They think their players are the best at everything.

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true.

Ask Ochocinco and Dareus Butler.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only need

a second to connect with either Gronk, Welker, or Hernandez for a 7 yd gain.

by PVS53 on Oct 29, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

but Keisel rushing from the left and getting in Brady’s face with a little RB trying to blocking him pretty much eliminates the left side of the field, well unless he wants the ball knocked down or tipped.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol @ an RB stopping Keisel at full speed. the only non-linemen you got on your team that can stop Keisel is Gronkowski. You try and get an RB to block Keisel I ensure you that he will either get thrown aside like a rag doll or if Brady throws to his side (going to Gronk) the ball is getting tipped.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have yet to see Gronk get dominated.

He’s been a special kind of player for us and a complete steal in the 2nd round.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on its a TE blocking one of the better DEs in the league 1 on 1… Its like saying Heath Miller could block Haynesworth/Wilfork 1 on 1. Its not happening.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Gronk could possibly stall Keisel, or chip at him and pass him off to another blocker to disrupt the pass rush, but he most likely would struggle to continuously sustain blocks for full plays.

by Richard Hill on Oct 29, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its fine if Gronk stalls Keisel, as long as he isn’t out catching balls then the plan is working. Even him chipping Keisel means brady has to hold the ball for a few more extra seconds.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im confused as to how putting Keisal and LB and blitzing elimintates a TE...

Not to mention NEs backup tackle is Nate Solder who has played very well in the 5 games he started this year. And if Keisal is such a dominating blitzer why wouldnt the Steelers play him at LB every game?

by Crizzle12 on Oct 29, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

why wouldn’t the Steelers put a 285lb+ d-linemen at linebacker, because all a linebacker does is blitz, amirite?

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ill break this down for you..
Im confused as to how putting Keisal and LB and blitzing elimintates a TE…

It eliminates a TE from going out and catching the ball which is when Gronk is the most dangerous. Hernandez, and any RB on the roster is much too small to stop Keisel in space and at full speed. Thus forcing Gronkowski to block him. If I’m not mistaken Vollmer is having back problem, not exactly something you want to rush. But even then if you put in an extra tackle to block Keisel that still eliminates a weapon for Brady to use.

But the key for this to work is Heyward/McLendon forcing the LT block him and Hampton to take up atlest a double team with the center and LG.

Regardles if they do this or not, If I’m Lebeau I’m bringing the heat on Gronkowski’s side the whole game to force him to block or chip him, anything to slow down the timing.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 30, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO HUDDLE

Expect to see the NO HUDDLE Sunday. The Pats have an effective running game. When the opposing team loads their defense to stop the run, Brady will go into a NO HUDDLE so the defense can not make personel changes. He will then exploit the matchups. The Pats use a two TE offense most of the time. The TEs are used in the running game or passing. When the defense has the wrong personel on the field, Brady will use his TEs to move the ball down the field. Gronk and Hernandez are a nightmare matchup for linebackers. Gronk is 6’6" 265 LB and runs great route. Hernandez is as fast as a WR and a linebacker can not cover him effectively. They are the go to receivers in the red zone. Brady will use the NO HUDDLE Sunday.

by PVS53 on Oct 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

What people forget is that the Steeler D depends on intensity of athletic play. The no huddle requires stamina on both sides, so that If you sit back and block the pass rush as an offense, run around with the d-backs, sooner or later the defense will get tired of playing catch up.

As an offense you reserve you energy until it counts. This will eventually break down the defense and is Belichicks philosophy.

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expect the Steelers to use the no huddle as well

Steelers also love using double and triple TE sets, but most of the time its used for blocking other than with Miller, but that still has the speed of the WRs and Mendenhall on dump off passes.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steelers also use their nickle defense alot, even when stopping the run game. Basically the only players the no huddle could affect is Hampton and even then McLendon might still get that start this Sunday.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nickle defense isn't going to stop the Patriots run game

The days of Laurence Maroney are gone. NE is averaging 4.6 ypa season.

by Crizzle12 on Oct 29, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to you and your comments

Jesus riding on the back of a dinosaur with machine guns in his hands wouldn’t stop the Patriots and Bitch Boy Brady.

by Riddlah. on Oct 29, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I wrong?

Or do you honestly believe that you can stop the rushing attack with 1 LB? And if I was immature enough to follow your example it would be all to easy to bring up how your QB is a rapist who despite a 100 million dollar contract has to force himself onto overweight co-eds in a bar bathroom. But I won’t bring that up…oh wait..oops.

by Crizzle12 on Oct 30, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

i stand corrected

you have actually managed to best your self, you are now a full fledged retard..
you should celebrate..

wait did i say retard? i mean retaaaahhd, there, now you’ll get it

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

where are you getting 1 LB from? most of the time the nickle is ran with either 3 DL with the smaller but better pass rusher McLendon in at NT. Or play with two DL and an extra LB or DB.

If they take a LB off the field they move Polamalu down to play LB.

This is a Dick Lebeau defense, you really think he wouldn’t think of a way to stop the run in nickle personnel?

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 30, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Five bucks

says your bitch-ass won’t even reply.

25-17

by Riddlah. on Oct 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather dare the Patriots to run on us the length of the field than pass the ball anyways.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bodden

Any thoughts on what his absence does for us? Important or irrelevant?

by 57_Varieties on Oct 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

It's just odd.

It’s not like the Patriot’s secondary was overloaded with playmakers. And supposedly he’s not injured, until Dowling (who I admit I would have loved to have drafted. Which just goes to show that the Steelers FO is smarter than me. Thank heavens for that…)

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

^

substitute “unlike” for “until.” Man, I wish you could edit comments : (

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Dowling or Bodden on Sunday means;

Antwaun Molden(27) as the “star”/slot guy.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

or

Emmanuel Sanders lunch

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown's lunch actually

if Ward can’t go, that makes Brown the 3rd/slot WR right? If that’s the case Molden is going to wish he didn’t get out of bed.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No effect

The Pats can not play any worse in the secondary without him on the field. The Steelers can not afford to turn the ball over. They will score against the Pats defense, but they have to keep up with the Pats offense to win the game.

by PVS53 on Oct 29, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that shot of Brown on that catch

“What’s that my little brown friend? You want me to take you into the endzone?”

Bound to cover just a little more ground.

by Steeliver on Oct 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Good points

I especially like the Ziggy Hood comment, and would add that it applies to the Beard as well. Being able to collapse the pocket on Brady with just 4 rushers is so huge. Just having a LB come in virtually untouched, which is usually what we consider our pass rush working, won’t work against Brady who checks down to his RB’s in the flats as soon as he sees anybody unblocked. If our young/bearded DE’s can consistently collapse the pocket that will be huge.

by Steelgator on Oct 29, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Having McClendon and Ziggy on the field together would be ideal

Put those two inside and have Keisel on the outside along with Woodley and we may be able to apply some pressure on certain downs. On 3rd downs Timmons needs to move back to MLB and Mundy needs to come in the game. He did a good job against Dustin Keller last year in the regular season game against the Jets, and Keller is just as mobile as both Hernandez and Gronk.

If Waters is truly their best lineman, I would line McClendon up over him and hopefully that causes a double team with the center, which would give Ziggy some one-on-ones with Mankins. And Wood should be able to win his matchups, considering how well he’s been playing.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keller is not on Hendos or Gronks level

Ziggy 1v1 with Mankins is heavily in NEs favor. He is the highest paid guard in the league for a reason. Frankly with the way the NE OL has played this year I don’t see Pitt getting to Brady with just a 4 man rush.

by Crizzle12 on Oct 29, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the flats

If Brady sees a potential rush by a LB, he will use Woodhead in the flats. Woodhead could be dangerous for big pass plays in the flats.

by PVS53 on Oct 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Woodhead is only in on 3rd down though? Most of the time.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 29, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morty Ivy back on team!!! Unfortunately, Corbin Bryant was released....

Hope we get Farrior back soon, but I do like the way Morty played in the pre-season.
Too bad that Bryant had to be released as well…..hope no one signs him so we can get him back.
If this was ever a time for Sly to shine…this is the week

by ToonaSteel on Oct 29, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

They should've brought Donovan Warren back.

He was much better in the pre-season than those other guys.

by Billy52 on Oct 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cornerback isnt a need

Linebacker depth is with Harrison and Farrior banged up

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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 29, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way it is irrelevant.

1. Donovan Warren would not be able to step into any significant game time, because there is depth with Lewis, Brown and Allen all healthy and cemented on the depth chart

2. Even if Tom Brady lights us up no CB is going to lose their job over one game when the unit has played well all season.

Look I know Donovan Warren was one of your darlings during preseason and training camp, he was one of my favorites too, but there is no reason whatsoever to have him on the squad right now, particularly when there are injuries to other parts of the team

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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 30, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree it'll never happen but it just pisses me off

That a young player who takes advantage of every opportunity he’s given is ignored. This is exactly what happened to Redman but, finally, the “brain trust” who thought they knew better had to admit they were wrong.

by Billy52 on Oct 30, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prediction

Whatever team turns the ball over the most will lose. Pats will win in the last 2 min. 31-30.

by PVS53 on Oct 29, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you horizontally flip the pic of browns helmet catch?

by IronJake on Oct 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

My five players+

It is the 12th man. This game with the Patriots calls for the 12th man to distract Brady. When he comes out of the tunnel, a nice “We will rock you” chant will work. Every time he shows his pretty-boy face behind center – “We will rock you” chant until he gets rid of the ball. Wish this could be worked out with the fans in attendance. We don’t need Brady to be successful with his cerebral talents.

by Poppa1 on Oct 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It's actually true.

Lots of crowd noise hurts a no-huddle offense.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Oct 30, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

run Renegade on a loop when the D is on the field

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." ~Jack Lambert.

"Superman ain't got nothing on me, ... Kryptonite? C'mon now. It's just that you're never going to hear me say that somebody is tougher than me, ... Because I don't believe somebody else could be tougher than me." ~James Harrison

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 30, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

during pats week

i’ve heard about the song “renegade” though i’m not sure which “renegade” people mean, i am still curious as to why multiple people have associated it with the pats..can you help me?

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by FrankWyt on Oct 30, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  


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