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Steelers Vs. Texans: 10 Story Lines That Aren't Being Discussed

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God bless today's newspaperman/woman. No way this site could be as active and engaging as it is without them. There's at least one prominent site that would love to believe that it 'breaks' news (I don't need to name names do I???), but the reality of it is that even in today's age of democratized communication, the beat reporter still is an invaluable lifeline to the pulse of the team. 

Which is why it's kind of ironic, at least in my opinion, that the same guys on the beat so often write incredible simplistic summaries of the games themselves. That's probably a product of word count restrictions and deadlines. It might also be that some editors and columnists fall in the trap of thinking that big and bold editorializing sells when mixed in with good old fashioned reporting. Who knows, but it'd be nice to not have to read what's essentially a W-A-V-E worthy fanpost summary of the game from the reporters we so religiously rely on for the daily nuanced and diligent reporting. 

So even though I'm unable to write with that same knowledgeable access, I'd at least like to throw out ten points from the Steelers 17-10 loss to the Texans that aren't included in much of the hysterical black-and-white narratives surrounding this team and its chances in 2011. 

Let's get to them. In no particular order, here's ten....

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  • Great game by Curtis Brown. You might not have even noticed him on Sunday, but the third-round rookie out of Texas was in on three special teams tackles, including one where he forced a fumble that the Texans were unfortunately able to recover. Brown's been doing some real nice things on coverage units this past few weeks. He's gotten down the field quickly, taken nice angles to the ball after showing discipline and staying in his lane, and shown a bit of toughness in how he's wrapped up and hit returners. Look out for this kid. He's going to be a player on defense. May not be this year, but the time is coming. You can tell he's a gamer. 
  • Everyone is so preoccupied with bashing the play of the offensive tackles, that nobody seems to be paying much attention to the equally, if not, worse play of the interior of the line. I can say with less certainty right now that Ramon Foster played poorly, but I can say unequivocally that Chris Kemoeatu was awful, especially in the first half. Even if the tape does show that Foster was equally bad, who cares. Again, all the chatter is about the play of the tackles, but I think if there's criticism to be levied at the front office, it's for continuing to go to battle with a guy that's continually failed to take that next step forward and play at a high level consistently. This is year seven for Kemoeatu. I don't think any magic light is ever going to go on. 
  • Staying in the interior of the line -- something's not quite right with Maurkice Pouncey. Or at least that's what I'd like to believe. After dominating as a rookie, Pouncey has only played so-so through the first four games of his sophomore season. I know he's been dealing with ankle pain; perhaps more so than we all realize. 
  • I think it might behoove the Steelers to simplify things in the passing game and look to Heath Miller and Hines Ward more often on quick-hitting stuff, but when there's actually enough time for a play to materialize, Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown are sure making some nice connections down the field. Brown is silky smooth with his footwork, and he's a supremely gifted pass-catcher with his hands. Again, not sure it's in our best interest for him to be targeted so often, at least not while the line is playing so shakily, but on those plays when execution is possible, Brown and Ben are doing some nice work. The second-year WR had five more catches for 67 yards in a losing effort on Sunday. 
  • Yes we're frustrated by the defense's inability to contain the run like we're used to seeing, but at the end of the day, I think you have to conclude that Dick LeBeau's unit played fairly well. That's a decent Houston Texans offense that they limited to 17 points and 318 yards of total offense. 115 of those yards came on the first drive, and another 41 came on a fourth quarter TD run that shouldn't have gone for even half that many yards. All of that counted, of course, but that still leaves a lot of plays where the Steelers were able to stifle the competent Texans offense. More on this later. 
  • No word just yet on the injury to Aaron Smith, but like Big Ben, Smith was in a walking boot after Sunday's loss. I don't want to play team doctor or make unfounded guesses, but I'll just say that it's possible that we have seen Aaron Smith plays his last down of football with the Pittsburgh Steelers, thus ending his underrated career in the National Football League. Hell, he could be back next week. I have no information you do not have at this time. But for obvious reasons, if Smith's foot injury looks like it needs more than just a week or so to recover fully, it could mean a trip to Injured Reserve and a de facto end to a remarkable career. Let's hope I'm wrong. 
  • Trai Essex must not start at left tackle again in 2011. If Marcus Gilbert can play, put him there. There is zero upside in playing Essex at LT at this stage in the game. He's neither better than any other candidate, and perhaps more importantly, you're not figuring out what you have in other options by playing the veteran Essex at the all-important position. Hopefully Jonathan Scott comes back healthy and plays like he did down the stretch of 2010. But if that doesn't happen or if he were to get hurt again, I'd just assume the Steelers throw Trevis Tuner in there and see what happens. Chances are he'd get lit up. But maybe not. If he were to fail miserably, so be it, there's Essex ready to come in off the bench in a moment's notice like he's done for much of his career. I know that's no way to build continuity, but I guess I'd just say that when the ceiling is so limited like it is with Essex, why not roll the dice and see if you have a diamond in the rough lurking somewhere on your practice squad? You can always revert back to the more familiar backup plan if things don't pan out. 
  • Were the Steelers lucky that the Texans committed a number of dumb penalties on what otherwise would have been game-changing plays? Sure. But that doesn't mean they weren't infractions by the Texans. Replays showed in every instance that a foul was committed. Not all of them were the catalyst for big plays that were called back, but it's impossible to argue that all but perhaps one of the flags were justified.
  • I mention that partly because I wanted to mention just how big Pouncey's late-hit 15-yard penalty was near the end of the first half. The Steelers should have had the ball at the 6 yard line; instead they were backed up just outside their 20 and ultimately had to settle for a Shaun Suisham FG attempt. Sushi had his kick blocked. Instead of a likely 7 points, the Steelers walk away with 0 and head into half still down 10-0. Dumb, dumb penalty by Pouncey there. 
  • Last but not least, I tip my cap to the Texans. They made some bone-headed penalties at just the wrong time, but they were pretty darn impressive Sunday afternoon. Yes the Steelers line played poorly, but don't discount how well the Texans front-seven got off the ball. They were explosive in their first step, timed the snap count well, and showed no signs of wearing down as the game went on. It's lazy to say, 'oh, it's the Texans, a mediocre team.' They ain't mediocre. That's a good football team right now. The Steelers' ceiling is higher though, that's the good news. But for now, they're a better team. And despite all of Pittsburgh's issues right now, there's not too many teams across the league that can say that. We'll hopefully find that out this next three weeks against Tennessee, Jacksonville and Arizona. 

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  • Curtis Brown looks good. I noticed him on ST too. As stated a couple weeks back the Steelers need to get him on the field as soon as he learns something about the defense. Gay doesn’t cut it.
  • Out the window with best athlete available. The Steelers need a big Guard and a CB that can cover. The offensive line blocks no one. Ben will be lucky to see week 16.
  • The O line woes could be why Mendenhall has had issues getting untracked. Of course Redman and Mewelde look pretty good. Too much dancing Rashard! Are you auditioning for Dancing WIth The Stars?
  • Strange how al Qaida has asked the Iranian President to quit with the 9/11 hoax stuff because they know they did it and they want the credit. Soon only Mendenhall will believe the USA mass murders its own. At least Mendy didn’t fumble.
  • Pouncey may be struggling with the sophomore jinx. Also he is probably struggling to block 4 people on every play because he is getting no help. The O line blocks no one. Still…keep Gilbert in the line up and let him develop. Agree with MB.
  • How many times did Ziggy and Woodley whiff on runners getting to the outside? These two showed very little speed or tackling instincts yesterday. A Smith played a decent game IMO and made a couple big 3rd down plays. That said, it’s time to see Hood & Heyward and let them develop.
  • Besides the O line the Steelers have MAJOR ISSUES with their field goal kicker. He isn’t any good. He will cost them a game or two unless the FO finds a real kicker. As stated previously, I had no isse cutting Reed if he was detrimental to the team. But they had a entire off season to find a kicker…and didn’t. Is David Trout around Pittsburgh anywhere?
  • The Texans will make the playoffs in 2011. So will the Ravens. The score should have been 35-10 yesterday. Debacle. It’s a long season and the Steelers are 2-2. Many issues but the playoffs are not out of the question.

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by 5020 on Oct 3, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you on Pouncey. Part of it is probably the ankle, but another problem is he has no consistency at either G position. It looked like to me on a few plays, similar to the Ravens game, he didn’t know who to block because his Gs are so damn inept they need help.

What did Swish do wrong yesterday? The blocked FG wasn’t his fault. I’m not saying he is a good kicker, just that I had no complaints from yesterday.

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by John Stephens on Oct 3, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

he had some help on the whiff from David Johnson.

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by stylepoints on Oct 3, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Ziggy's arms-straight-out stance made his role more entertaining

As if his idea of blocking is, “NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO COME THIS CLOSE TO ME, GOT IT?!”

by Mike Frazer on Oct 3, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

what is a DE doing blocking on a FG anyways? Who’s bright idea was that?

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suisham

Fills me with very little confidence. I don’t think he is a good consistent kicker especially outside 40 yards. This year he has now missed 2 short field goals that “weren’t his fault.” I just don’t think he is a NFL caliber championship FG kicker…

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by 5020 on Oct 3, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have bigger issues atm

If a better kicker comes along then we can worry about it but the kicker didn’t lose the game yesterday.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 3, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite...

Shanking a kick is on the kicker, despite their desire to blame the hold. A block that occurs at the LOS is sometimes the kicker’s fault for kicking too low (but beyond 50 yards a block at the line is something that just happens because it needs a lower trajectory to make the required distance). But a kick being blocked in the backfield is entirely on the line for the failure.

by Mike Frazer on Oct 3, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like you about Suisham

I cross my fingers everytime he kicks. I saw him fail miserably at Dallas and at Washington.

by Allen F on Oct 3, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Allen F

Funny thing is my biggest concern coming into the year was not replacing Suisham! Right now Suisham is the least of my concerns for our Pittsburgh Steelers! It was nice to see Suisham kick the game winner against Indy.

by steeler fever on Oct 3, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He Is Not The Biggest Issue

But mark my words Fever (and all) he is a MAJOR issue and the kicker will come back to haunt the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2011. You heard it here first.

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by 5020 on Oct 4, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pouncey

I have to agree also. his ankle may be worse than he is saying and he feels he has to play, because of the state of the O-line. And, he may not know what to do, I believe he has lost confidence in his guards and feels he has to block his assignment as well as theirs

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Oct 3, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

its just not our year

Of course that means a playoff appearance and a first round loss.

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by steelerstyle on Oct 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

U left out a NT

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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 3, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Left Out A Lot NYC

NT, LT, K, RG, LG, CB……..We have lots of needs.

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by 5020 on Oct 4, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need to give McClendon more playing time

Casey is ineffective this year. He initiates contact with the OC and stays engaged while the running backs run right by him. He is grossly out of shape and is winded after a couple of snaps. He and Smith were putting no pressure on the QB. Smith gets wiped out on most plays. It is sad to see a great player going downhill. Time for these guys to accept much less playing time and help to coach the younger players on the nuances of their position.

by Allen F on Oct 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think...

Pouncey doesn’t look great because Kemoeatu has been horrendous. Not even Arizona would sign him right now if we cut him.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out the window with best athlete available. The Steelers need a big Guard and a CB that can cover. The offensive line blocks no one. Ben will be lucky to see week 16.

A LT in the first round no matter what should be the goal. Then a NT/ILB in the 2nd. The rest can be filled with OL and DBs.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Steelers need some big O linemen. Ts and Gs to protect Big B.

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by 5020 on Oct 4, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Untold Stories

Michael, very good write up. I also agree that the mainstream press misses a lot. I’ve always thought that the mainstream press knows a lot more than they print. Perhaps that’s why some of their analysis is too shallow, because if they really write what they think then they’ll get burned for “exposing sources.”

I agree with you. Trai Essex was horrible, and Pouncey while a little better this week, has not been good.

Truthfully, for my money the untold story behind the Steelers is not the aging of the defense but rather the Steelers ability to draft well enough and integrate those players fast enough to compensate.

In a very dark sense, the injuries to Kiesel and Smith might speed this process up for better or for worse. The performance of the run defense in the Thrashing by the Texans might not lend a lot of hope at first glance, but let’s give Heyward a chance.

by Hombre de Acero on Oct 3, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I will be pretty glad to see Trai Essex never play LT ever again. I thought going into the game there was no way he could be any worse than Scott. Boy was I wrong.

I think Foster played the best of the interior guys. I thought I saw some nice blocks later in the game when our running lanes started to open up.

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by John Stephens on Oct 3, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Definitely agree with you about Essex

I see no “positive” with him in the lineup.

by Allen F on Oct 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

a season-ending injury to Aaron Smith?

in other news, gravity. seriously though he’s had a real good career, but hasnt played a full since 08 and just one full season since 06. he’s a liability right now

by theatrain on Oct 3, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

a full season that is

by theatrain on Oct 3, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought

Smith was looking a little better. Saw he made a couple of big run stops for us.

by steeler fever on Oct 3, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice,

I hope the other teams are paying his salary as well since he’s helping the D out so much.

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by CLK47 on Oct 3, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

A bit about the O-line...

I’ll go farther than this when I post If I Was Mike Tomlin… for week 4-5, but a few comments for now:

- Pouncey’s “mediocre” play is, I believe, due largely to the horrid play at the guards. Often times he has to help out his linemates and that is leading to less of the stellar play we saw last season. if he was able to take on just his man without having to do too much (i.e., account for the guards’ shortcomings) I think we would see much better stuff from him.

- I’ve been calling for Gilbert at LT since the preseason. I think more and more people are jumping on that bandwagon. If you watch his play yesterday you see he was actually the best lineman on the field for the Steelers most of the day, even above Pouncey — but see my previous comment for part of the “why”. Even on the play where he let Smith get to Ben, the sack was actually the interior line’s fault; if Ben doesn’t have to roll away from pressure up the middle, he doesn’t get pushed into Smith’s way. Gilbert made him take such a wide route that he was actually outside where Mario Williams had lined up on the other side when he made the sack. On the previous play, for contrast, Essex double-teamed a DT while letting Williams come free at Ben. Absolutely awful.

- If I could propose an O-line right now I would have to say Gilbert at LT, Kemo (sadly) at LG, Pouncey at C, Essex at RG (unless someone can figure a better option) and Scott at RT. It’s not great but I think it would be serviceable. Or, if it’s an option, bring in Hotel for RT. Colon would have been my pick for RT but of course we all know the story there.

by Mike Frazer on Oct 3, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Flozell is not an option.

by StinkBomb on Oct 3, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tomlin indicated after the game that finding outside help is a possibility

Someone just needs to convince the Hotel that any paycheck is better than no paycheck :)

by Mike Frazer on Oct 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's only true if he is desperate for money

if he saved his $ then why should he play for much less than he thinks he is worth? his price is his asking price not what you want to pay him unless you are in the driver seat which we are clearly not.

by kk99 on Oct 3, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently his asking price is too high for everyone. No one is going to pay that much for an average RT to play one season.

is Starks still an option? I’d think he would come back cheaper than Flo since he is BFFs with Ben, he is also think I heard he is back at a decent weight, question is how is his neck feeling?

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

why should he care if his asking price is too high for everyone?

First of all, your former team is the best equipped and most likely to be willing to “pay up” for your talent because they know you best and you are already familiar with their systems. Why would other teams “pay up” for a player new to their system unless they are very desperate? We are also very desperate but the FO knows that trying to “re-live the past” with “long-in-the-tooth” vets is often a recipe for even bigger disaster. Because not only can it fail immediately but that failure can mortgage your future, favre and MN is a perfect example.

the only person that flozell should be concerned about is himself, he is in a seller’s market with the steelers not a buyer’s market. in other words, his price is his price, period. why would you lower your price for a team that you believe slighted you if you are in the driver’s seat? if i were him I would maybe even raise my price, that’s the way life works.

starks ship sailed for the FO but after this week’s debacle maybe they have a change of heart who knows? but at this point going back to the Flozell or Starks well may be costly not only in terms of this year’s cap but our O-Line problems will probably bleed into next year and now we are looking for new stopgap measures.

IMHO it’s a Faustian bargain no matter what you do.

by kk99 on Oct 3, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I brought up his asking price for other teams because, right now it seems like no one wants him. I honestly won’t be surprised to see him retire before mid-season unless he drops his asking price.

I agree that bring in an old player may hurt the future of the O-line. But I think it is a consensus that Jonathon Scott shouldn’t be in the future plans for the team unless it is as a back up. Gilbert on the other hand should remain a starter regardless if they pick someone up.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ive asked 3 times now...

What is the deal with Flozel?

by SixBurghRoethlamalu on Oct 3, 2011 3:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

costs way too much

and we don’t have a lot of cap room

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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 4, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why Essex at RG? Foster should stay at RG. Yes he isn’t much better but he played RG all of last season and atlest has some continuity with Pouncey.

I agree with Gilbert at LT and Scott at RT.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

stick a fork in Farrior, he's done

He’s too slow to cover TE’s, and he is much too easily blocked to be a factor in run stoppage. Foote isn’t much better.

Why don’t they play Troy near the line sooner? He is very disruptive in that role but he doesn’t play there until we need to come back in the 4th quarter and shut down their offense.

by qwikdoc on Oct 3, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed Sly needs to atlest start seeing some playing time.

That or they miles well start playing Polamalu at ILB and Mundy at SS… (I’m joking)

And is it just me or did Timmons get a heck of alot bigger? I heard he beefed up over the off season but I had no idea it was that much.. Could that be cutting into his athleticism?

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Sly should know the defense by now. I wouldn’t mind seeing Carter either.

Maybe Woodley should sit a game and think about it.

by Yount on Oct 3, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they should play Carter (definitely not ready) or sit Woodley because then our run D is going to get even worst. The only way I see that happening is if they move Harrison to the right to be the primary run stuffer and put Worilds in on the left to be the primary pass rusher seeing how Worilds is leaving alot to be desired in run defense.
But I don’t see that happening.

The only reason that i can think of to not put Sly on the field is he isn’t able to be the defensive play caller yet

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The running game

is played between the tackles. If those guys don’t open holes then the running game doesn’t go anywhere. On one play at 4th and 1 my son asked me why the Steelers didn’t go for it – my answer, “They can’t get a yard.” How sad is it when the Steelers can’t get a yard in a must get 4th and one situation.

You’re correct on the passing game simplification. If the O line only gives the QB a 3 step drop they should be doing that. The bigger problem is that Heath and Hines can be covered fairly easily and the rookie TE isn’t a starter yet. A 2 TE set would help with the blocking once he comes up to speed, until then it’s just gonna be fire on the QB time for opposing defenses.

by steelercast on Oct 3, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Ben's sacks

I saw one sack where everyone in the bar saw that coming. The ball was not snapped and Houston clearly showed their cards with the safety blitz. I am sure even Ben saw that, had time to adjust to that blitz but still did not do it and ended up gettign sacked.

Did anyone else see that?

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by Han on Oct 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I Saw a few where Ben needed to have that clock wound tighter

he really needs to get the ball out quicker – even if it is to the sidelines.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

LB's

very disappointed in this group. i blame part of their struggles on the d-line, because it is their job to tie up blockers, not get blown off the ball. There is so much money tied up into this unit, you have to get production..period.

by jsn4219 on Oct 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

It seems everyone on the D played about 2 feet out of the right place yesterday. Most of the game, we were SOOOO close to making tackles.

And the play where Troy caught crap from the announcers for not tripping up Foster in the backfield? The way Foster stumbled, 95% of the RBs in the league go down after that hit. It’s rare, but even Superman has a bad play now and then.

by Mike Frazer on Oct 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but the play where Woodley took Troy out was horrendous.

If you aren’t gonna make the tackle anyway, let Troy make the tackle, don’t tackle Troy!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 3, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

not just yestrerday but i am talking the season as a whole…outside of the game against the colts, there has been hardly any pressure from the lb’s.

 I am not sure it is one exact thing that can be pinpointed, but that it’s a combo of things (defensive play calling, lack of push from DL, LB’s not winning individual matchups, etc) But the one strength of the team everyone was counting on to begin this season, has not done much of anything.

by jsn4219 on Oct 3, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

That is hilarious!

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by Han on Oct 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do NOT diss Hartwig's suck by comparing him to Essex.

Hartwig’s brand of suck included fumbled QB exchanges, as well. I’m not even sure Essex has enough room between his slow legs to snap a ball.

by Mike Frazer on Oct 3, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never seen a center on his ass as much as Hartwig

And yes, I’m including Sean Mahan…wait, no…lemme re-think this.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

the two… so similar… I wouldn’t be surprised if we actually just started a center named Sean Hartwig all those years

by klompus on Oct 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

every snap would be an illegal center sneak for 6 inches

by klompus on Oct 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great points, Blitz ...

I think the Steelers have a couple of keepers in rookie CBs C. Allen and C. Brown. Even Dale Lolley mentioned in his blog before the game on Sunday that a Steelers source told him that the team “like what it has seen of the kids so far” at CB and that William Gay and Keenan Lewis are “keeping the spots warm until the kids are ready to go.” Gotta love the fact that both have been making plays on special teams, which is a good indication of them being able to function in this base D.

My second biggest surprise of this season is that the secondary and CB’s have actually played pretty thus well. They’ve come up and tackled well and have been solid in coverage thus far. Ike has played well, even though he looked like he was starting to struggle a little bit with Johnson until he pulled his hamstring.

My biggest surprise with this team is that its front seven isn’t stopping the run or putting pressure on the QB. This is the same unit that lead the league in run defense this past year (at the 2nd best clip in league history) and lead the league in sacks. Damn, why the drop off? Aaron Smith showed up on some plays yesterday but the D-Line is really struggling with those zone stretch plays. I am still perplexed why this team isn’t giving the OTs any help on passing downs and continue to run that 5-WR empty set with no help back there to pick up any blitzes. With Ben not getting rid of the ball and WR’s like A. Brown continuing to miss hot routes, it is only a matter of time before a mistake is made.

Did I miss something or is Johnathon Scott really that much better than Trai Essex at LT?

I am much more relaxed after this loss than the one against the Ravens because I thought the Steelers were a better team than what they showed then. I think the preseason games plus the first four games of the season are enough time to know the trends of a team and its strengths and weaknesses. So far, we’ve learned this team can’t stop the run, can’t run the ball, can’t pressure the opposing QB and can’t protect its own QB. Other than that, I see a Super Bowl team …. whenever I watch the Green Bay Packers. We are what we are and I’ve come to grips with that.

My question to you all is has the window for the Steelers to win championships officially closed or is that window still open as long as we have a healthy Ben?

by datruth4life2.0 on Oct 3, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Ike limited Johnson to 4 catchers and none longer than 36 yards.

He did what everyone hopes to do with the elite few in the NFL — and many consider Johnson the best WR in the NFL. Keeping him from making a big play is as much as you can ask of any CB, and I believe Ike needs mentioned in the same breath as Revis and Asomugha (and the latter has been downright average this year).

by Mike Frazer on Oct 3, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur

I have pretty much digested the fact that this is not the year where we are a Super Bowl contender. I can accept that.

But I also feel when is the next time we can be a contender? The offense is young but the line needs to be upgraded big time. Either that or we need a change in our offensive philosophy to compensate for the brittle line.

The defense is not getting younger. I think they might have 2-3 years left (3 years is stretching it). The offense has to pull itself together in the next 2 years.

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by Han on Oct 3, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can contend next year if we dip into FA more than usual. We don’t have to go after an elite OL, just go and get an average G and OT that won’t break the bank. Moving from God awful to just okay would be a huge improvement. If we can do that, we might compete next year.

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by John Stephens on Oct 3, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we can find a freaking OL and replace a few places on the defense the superbowl window is till wide open.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what happened?
My biggest surprise with this team is that its front seven isn’t stopping the run or putting pressure on the QB. This is the same unit that lead the league in run defense this past year (at the 2nd best clip in league history) and lead the league in sacks. Damn, why the drop off?

by Norcal_Roxy on Oct 3, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great points

Throughout the entire game I kept yelling at my tv screen for short quick passes. Those will basically take the place of our run since we don’t really have the capability to consistently run the ball. That said, I know Mendenhall went down with a hamstring injury, but I think Redman looked good, hitting the holes and getting north to south.

I completely agree with not starting Essex at LT, nouf said.

I don’t know what our future holds but I try to remain positive because there is a lot of football to be played

by ChitownSteelerfan on Oct 3, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

I still believe we do not go for slants or short quick passes is because Ben is in love with home run plays and he has completely sold this to Arians. Even yesterday on one play Mendenhall (or was it Redman?) was open on a screen. Ben looked at him but still looked downfield to throw the long haul. He ended up getting sacked.

Unless we have a new offensive coaching staff who can force his authority on Ben that’s not going to change.

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by Han on Oct 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does a Steeler

screen play ever work? With the way the O-line is playing right now, the opposition would never know we were “letting” them through to set up the screen.

by steeler fever on Oct 3, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that play, I kept thinking check it down check it down you can’t hold the ball that long.

I think the offensive line and BB exacerbate each other instead of playing to our strengths. O-line is not good but BB holds the ball too long in certain instances. But I guess that is who Ben is. You would think that the FO would make a bigger commitment to finding players that can protect him and his style of play.

by ChitownSteelerfan on Oct 3, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

pouncey's non-penalty

i’m annoyed as hell with that loss.

however, i needed to first write that the pouncey late hit was not a penalty at all!

first, the penalty was a dead ball call, meaning the problem was that the ref’s decided the play was over when pouncey made a block. i thought the flag was for a block in the back somehow, but when they declare it a dead ball foul, the insinuation is that it’s a legal hit, but just late.

second, as tomlin has said many times, tell me when was the last time you heard a whistle to blow a play dead? reviewing that play, maybe the audio wasn’t up, but i sure didn’t hear a whistle on that play at all, let alone before pouncey’s hit.

third, and last, when pouncey made his block, mewelde wasn’t even on the ground yet!

maddening!

by fajita on Oct 3, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I was confused on the Pouncey block

But mostly because they didn’t show replays from other angles on the national broadcast. It looked like a clean finish to the block as the runner was going down. I definitely didn’t think there was anything illegal about it.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Oct 3, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just rewatched the Pouncey penalty. It probably shouldn’t have been called by the definition of a late hit. However, it was still completely unnecessary for Pouncey to make that block. The guy he hit was slowing down as Moore was being tackled and clearly not making a play to the ball. I don’t think Pouncey had any bad intentions. He was just playing to the whistle. Here is a clear view of it not being late FWIW:

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by John Stephens on Oct 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for posting that!

to me it really was an issue of a block in the back, but we’ve seen RB’s bounce off defenders without touching the ground and then they scamper onward… not saying that could happen here, but clearly mewelde wasn’t down yet so i don’t think pouncey making this block is unnecessary at all.

when the ref’s got together to discuss this play, i thought the head ref was going to yell at the guy who threw the flag… there definitely seemed some question.

also, that same dude who threw the flag here threw the one on the blocked kick, so he’s neutral in my mind…

by fajita on Oct 3, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good shot

But I don’t think that deserves a penalty. Was it necessary? Probably not. But was it a foul? No, the play was clearly not over.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Oct 3, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot to be upset about in this loss

But I truly believe that if we can get some good play out of our OL, this season could still end with a trip to the playoffs. All of our final 7 games are winnable, and at least two of the next 5 should be wins (Ari and Jac). Wins against Ari and Jac and 6 of our final 7 puts us at 10-6 (likely in the playoffs this year with the Jets struggling and no strong teams in AFCW/S).

by Michael Uhlhorn on Oct 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Pouncey Penalty?

Did anyone else go back and look at that penalty on Pouncey? I did and it looked to me like he hit the guy before Moore was down. But I did not see the rest of the play afterward. If the call was wrong, that was a pretty big call.

by phisqb on Oct 3, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

the story of this game is the OL, not the DEF

yes, the D had some issues, but 17 points to this team is an excellent job, and arians with all the weapons he has ought to be able to get more than 17 points against a crappy defense.

the texans (can’t call them the texain’ts after that loss) managed 10 pts in the 1st half.
and here are their second half stats:

 - total first downs: 3
 - 3rd down conversions: 1 for 5 (20%)
 - total net yards: 102 (but 72 yards came on two consecutive bad plays)

troy blew a couple of plays, but he came up huge in the 4th after the foster TD run to keep game within pts.

by fajita on Oct 3, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

please,

If Houston hadn’t repeatedly shot themselves in the foot with penalties, the score might have been 34 – 7.

Foster ran for 155 yards himself. Our pass defense played ok and Keenan Lewis showed promise. Even Willy Gay looked ok, but our run D and play of the linebackers overall was less than steeler-like

by qwikdoc on Oct 3, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

foster did bring back nightmares...

… of fred taylor.

i hate those cut-back runners. so does lebeau, apparently.

by fajita on Oct 3, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

PFF gave Gilbert the only positive ranking for the game yesterday. He gave up 2 sacks and 1 pressure, but was a stud in run blocking.

Not surprisingly, Trai Essex and Kemo were the worst.

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by John Stephens on Oct 3, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Matching -5.9s

Essex’s -5.2 in pass blocking means he lost more than 90 percent of the passing downs.

I know you’re his biggest fan, John, but I really think we need to make a move there.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Essex fan? I hope you are being sarcastic. Don’t mistake my optimistic hope that nothing could suck as bad as Scott as support for Essex, lol.

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by John Stephens on Oct 3, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I wish we had a whole team of -5.2 pass blockers

*yes, heavily sarcastic. I enjoy your rants about Essex and Scott.

I watch Joe Thomas blocking for Cleveland, and I feel like a Timberwolves fan watching the Miami Heat. It’s like, I don’t expect the Timberwolves to field a team of LeBron James’s, but shouldn’t we at least have a guy or two who look like they belong on the same floor as him?

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch Patriots versus Raiders… so many times he had a clean pocket that he could have sat down and drawn out new plays in. I get the same feeling :(

by klompus on Oct 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, texans fumble on play where deebo got hurt

the play when deebo got hurt, many ridiculous things on that play:

first, is that legal for a lineman to helmet-to-helmet hit a linebacker? i’m not whining for deebo, but that seemed a little ridiculously blatant.

second, casey caught that ball and stupidly decided to try to leap over troy… haha! he got hammered by two other steelers as he came down.

third, he fumbled that ball. if there were more cameras (like if this were a sunday night game), they would have reviewed the crap out of that. with deebo’s injury, i figured when we came back from commercial, tomlin was going to review that.

on replays, you can clearly see the receiver’s pink gloves, and you see them move off the ball. anyone know who is the steeler’s “gameday” coach ala tressel for the colts?

by fajita on Oct 3, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

first, is that legal for a lineman to helmet-to-helmet hit a linebacker? i’m not whining for deebo, but that seemed a little ridiculously blatant.

No, it’s not legal. The rules for helmet-to-helmet hits do not include language indicating one side of the ball or the other. We better not speak of it, though, we wouldn’t want the league-wide conspiracy of the NFL protecting its offensive players but not defensive players to go public…(ahem) (cough)

third, he fumbled that ball. if there were more cameras (like if this were a sunday night game), they would have reviewed the crap out of that. with deebo’s injury, i figured when we came back from commercial, tomlin was going to review that.

It’s true, he did, but he also recovered it. However, I think Clark deserved a forced fumble for that.

anyone know who is the steeler’s "gameday" coach ala tressel for the colts?

I do not, but looking at some of Tomlin’s challenges over the years, I’m guessing he either does not have one, or it’s a drunken Browns fan just trying to mess with him. Or Eric Mangini.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolled hard at Eric Mangini. it could be the guy James Harrison body slammed forever ago

by klompus on Oct 3, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disorganized deathtrap

I got lucky yesterday with my Sirius radio having the play-by-play for the game while cleaning the garage. Heck I even cracked open a few cold ones and all I could gather from yesterdays loss was it seemed like
A) the penalty on Pouncey was a momentum killer
and
B) the Texans took advantage of our O+line deficiencies as it sounded like a jailbreak most of the time.

We need some time to gel but 7’s health should be priority. I know it is something the FO looks at in keeping their franchise QB upright, but IMO I’d rather have Ben line up 5-wide and win with short passing a la brady. Oh yeah- BB isn’t a pocket passer and Brady is. It also reminds me of the Tommy-gun offense we had back then.

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by SaratogaSteelerFan on Oct 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I like to add a few, if I may. Just observations with no real support or backing. Apologies if I’ve repeated something, but everybody is frustrated with the same problems.

1. I don’t think the O line played better after the half just because they got chewed out. I think there is something behind the scenes with Mendy and the O line. They knew Redman and Moore were going to get the call, and stepped up. There is a possibility of conflict between the outspoken Mendy and the O line – he never really takes full blame, only mentioning that it’s a group effort, from the coaches on down etc, etc. He’s starting to sound like fast willie. I dunno, just sayin’

2. I think the idea this year was to shore up the secondary play, which they’ve done, only to have the run defense suffer. I think it’s a scheme thing, and below average push off the ball. The D – line is being shoved every which way.

3. I think Ben is playing poorly, and Bruce A is calling for plays that take too long to develop. Honestly, we all try to defend him, but BR isn’t playing smart football, from reads to throws to trying to be superman. He’s ALSO in control of his health. Get rid of the ball, or go down like brady does.

4. The ravens d looks scary – like the steelers used to look. They are all over the place, have speed and strength (tough machups for everybody) and are coached very well. Right now only two players are there – Harrison and Troy. Timmons and Hampton are getting there, and Ike is a blanket. Good news for the rest of the secondary as lewis and others played well enough to limit the pass.

5. I fear there is conflict between the offense and defense. I watched some of the post game interviews, and people know who didn’t cover their assignments. Harrison was pissed, and mentioned something about one player missing a block or tackle and the rest of the “squad” suffers. I was just reading between the lines, so to speak.

Lastly 6. Isn’t the middle line backer like the qb but for defense? I think Farrior is there because he knows the protections and schemes, and can call out defensive alignments, but is just too damn slow and weak. Same with foote. They can’t keep up. The ravens exposed that in game 1. Who else would fill that spot? Anybody care to comment on this?

by IronJake on Oct 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

speculation and innuendo

But I think this locker room has like every its outcasts. Rashard has been perplexing to me as well. I don’t know the guy or anyone who does, but he’s a bit of an enigma. That doesn’t mean anything as I’m sure he’s got supporters as well as detractors but it sure looked like a breath of fresh air when Redman and Memo are in there.

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by SaratogaSteelerFan on Oct 3, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

In my opinion, Mendenhall’s locker room discomfort goes back to the season he was out with his shoulder and didn’t show up at the facility.

I doubt it matters, but his politics are at the other end of the spectrum from Roethlisberger. whack nut conspiracy eater on one side and evangelical sky pointer on the other.

by stylepoints on Oct 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I always hate know-it-all 22 year olds

Word is, he’s a smart dude, but he’s kind of a loner. Not the most popular guy in the world. But linemen get contracts by playing hard, I could see them perhaps with a little more go for their favorite guy, but there’s no way they’re gonna melt down intentionally when Mendenhall is back there.

Just like I don’t see them throwing plays away because they don’t like one of the RBs, I think it’s too Hollywood-ish to suggest the coach chewed them out, and they came out spitting nails either. I think they made some corrections, got on the same page and played better as a group. It doesn’t always have to be some big dramatic thing.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being chewed out = tomlins way of reminding them of the importance, and focusing on the issues that matter.

Any other comments about the rest?

by IronJake on Oct 3, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think

O linemen can get exasperated over a lack of initiative and a complainer. “Hit the hole hard”, as many have said. It’s a psychological thing. Three games and your Rback dances around and you kinda get pissed, or find it difficult to muster motivation, and just go through the motions. Part of Tomlin’s job is to asses the makeup of the teams emotion, psyche, and correct it if it’s not in the right place.

They are all satisfying their contracts, whether they play hard, or harder. I wasn’t suggesting an intentional drop in play because they don’t like somebody.

by IronJake on Oct 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offensive philosophy

Hi all! This is my first post here in BTSC. Let me first state I thoroughly enjoy the site and all the commentary. Second kudos to you Mr. Bean for this excellent forum! As a former member of the USAF (13 years) this kept me in tune with The Nation while I was in various far flung places around the globe like no other forum! That all being said here I go:

At the risk of sounding heretical maybe it’s time to shift our philosophy a bit. Maybe we should run a version of the spread like (dare I say the hated) Patriots. We have all the ingredients:

- An elite QB who can make all the reads and throws (particularly the quick ones)

- Speedy WRs with good hands who can make great RAC yards

- 2 RBs who can get through holes and up the field on the read option

- (Unfortunately) an Oline that is getting beat by faster, stronger D lines which it behooves us to get rid of the ball quickly

I think we hvae the tools to make it work and possibly open up room for our RBs to make some moves.

Thoughts anyone? Just running it up the flag pole here. :-)

by DG623 on Oct 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome!

I struggle with Ben as an elite QB. It’s not a knock because he’s a flat out gamer and winner.

Its his physical gifts, magical feet and balance that make him so tough to play against.

However, he’s going to need to adapt this year because the players around him, to your point about the Oline and WRs , are what they are. The line is so bad but this set of WRs should be seeing balls come their way a lot more via a shorter passing game.

Can he adapt to this remains a question mark as does his health. Ben doesn’t strike me as a studier of the game and for the most part i guess he doesn’t need to. I think the time has come for that to change.

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by delisixburgh on Oct 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I agree that Ben needs to adapt; however the coaching staff needs to help and adapt as well with the playcalling and making sure the teeam understands the philosophy of the short passing game.

I say elite because of what he has to deal with up front … the others (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers) all have olines that generally keep them clean and upright so their job is much easier. Ben makes things happen in spite of the horrible Oline play. I daresay if those others played behind our line they would be crushed. As much heat as folks give Ben, he was THE force in the ’05 playoff games (although he had a bad day in the SB) and made the drive in the ’08 SB so he can carry this team … IF he can stay healthy.

So again I agree with you in principle … there is championship talent around Ben just very little of it in front of him.

by DG623 on Oct 3, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree and disagree

I think it’s high time they start looking at other avenues offensively. I’m not anti-Arians (no coach can be blamed when they’re only option is to put Trai Essex against Mario Williams in anything outside of a video game), and I do think they need to find a way to counteract the disadvantage they’re going to have up front this year.

However, that’s a lot easier said than done. Using multiple receiver sets the way the Patriots do (it’s not really a spread, they throw a lot deeper a lot more often, and they use 2 TE as often as we do), requires very good pass blockers. Our offensive line is not a lot of things, and they definitely are not pass blockers.

The Patriots made the decision to move more toward a vertical offense, and drafted good pass blockers to bolster that. We have drafted run blockers for the better part of a decade now.

What Houston did, and to a degree, Indianapolis did, was move their corners up on the receivers, jam them and try to take away Ben’s hot reads. That forces the line to block a little longer, and as we saw yesterday, the line needed to hold blocks a lot longer than they were capable of doing. It’s a gamble, because the one time Ben does get a chance to throw a deep pass, it’ll be to Wallace in single coverage with no deep help. Alas…he never sniffed that scenario, and Houston successfully took away our deep ball.

I’m glad I don’t coach them, because it’d be my job to find a solution, when in reality, I really don’t think there’s anything tangible they can change midseason. I think they’re just going to have to block better.

I know, pretty vanilla…

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh, just one thing

Welcome to the site. BB needs to get rid of the ball and the Steelers can try more multiple short routes from a spread formation ala the Pats as you suggest…

But, know that nobody is running the read option in the NFL. Maybe possible with Cam Newton or Vick as a one-time play in short yardage but that certainly isn’t happening with Brady the Slow or even Big Ben.

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by franz on Oct 3, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

True no one is running the “true” read-option in the NFL, but all it is is the spread’s version of play action. I don’t really care if Ben ever runs out of it but showing the D that you’re showing the RB the ball in his stomach is enough. When you actually do give the ball to the RB it becomes a nice draw play or just a hand off outof the shotgun. Ultimately I just want Ben to have more time back there and/or get the ball out quicker. :-)

by DG623 on Oct 4, 2011 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks DG!

Welcome to the site. Thanks for your service, and glad the site has been able to keep you informed and entertained while away.

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by Michael Bean on Oct 3, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

schedule
next three weeks against Tennessee, Jacksonville and Arizona.

I think we’ll see where the Steelers are in these games. If they can get three wins, then maybe the Steelers could still hope to earn a wildcard spot.

If the Steelers can balance the ship in these games, suffer through a couple weeks against NE and BALT, then they have the ability to finish well and see how the playoff rankings shake out. I could still see 11-5.

by stylepoints on Oct 3, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

theoretically speaking

The schedule is favorable. Its a long season and perhaps injuries will throw things in flux ,already for us please no more, for other teams. In the end I would envision us getting much better regardless of injuries.

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by SaratogaSteelerFan on Oct 3, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Ben and BA marriage

Is it not clear that the ball needs to come out of Bens hands a bit quicker? So much of this game is about adaptability. We have more than enough talent on offense to get into a quick passing attack approach and yet it doesn’t happen.

I think Ben calls the shots on offense and let’s face it, I don’t think he’s spending to much time looking at tape. I don’t think Ben is that smart anyway. This is a guy who has incredible naturally ability and he’s got the rings to go with it.

This is where he can use a coach and BA fails here big time but he let’s Ben run the show because Ben keeps this man employed. Tomlin lets is go on obviously.

With the O-Line being as bad as it is he needs to be in the shot-gun about 75% of the time and OH! You can run out of this formation too!!

Wallace, Brown,Sanders and Heath should be seeing balls co me their way in a short to intermediate way.

I saw at least 2 fantastic back shoulder throws to A Brown yesterday. This has to happen a lot more and yet we see the same nonsense out of this group.

Not adjusting to circumstances is a failure of leadership. Right now it’s also a failed marriage between coach and qb.

by delisixburgh on Oct 3, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

This isn't peewee football

The coach does not have complete and total regime over the players. While I doubt any of us would be discussing War and Peace with Ben, he’s an eight-year NFL veteran, and I’m sure he knows plenty about football. The front office put the keys to the team in Roethlisberger’s hand. It’s not a coincidence his contract is approximately 10 times as big as Tomlin’s. Tomlin will be the one the team will get rid of if the two of them can’t get along.

That being said, I really think people are assuming the short stuff is always open. There are times Ben doesn’t have a good enough angle to flip a pass out, and there are also players assigned to spy him, and jump in those short passing lanes. He may gamble too much here and there, but the fact is, when the short guy releases, that’s yet another defender in his face, and unless he avoids their treetrunk thick arms and hands, the ball is up in the air, and it’s a turnover.

He does need to get rid of the ball quicker, but I think he has shell-shock now, and is just waiting for the pressure to come so he can at least take it on.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith and Keisel

If Smith doesn’t play next week like I think will be likely and Keisel isn’t ready yet (is he expected to be back this week?) Do the Steelers make Cam Heyward the starting DE opposite of Hood or do they play McLendon? Do the Steelers activate Corbin Bryant or Miguel Chavis?

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Defensive line

We’d start Hood and Hoke, I bet, with McLendon (out of place) and Heyward (way too green) backing them up.

That should be enjoyable. Something I never thought I’d say, better start Chris Johnson in Week 5, he’s playing the Steelers.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t Hoke be “out of place” as well? I think I’d rather see McLendon or Heyward than Hoke, he didn’t look too good yesterday at NT, atlest from what I saw Heyward was around the ball and held off his blocker rather than getting pushed back.

James Harrison~ "We are not trying to hit nobody hard. We don't want to get fined" *blank stare* /end sarcasm.

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heyward

Hoke’s played DE in the past. I thought Heyward got blocked pretty much the same as everyone else. Hoke at least has played before. Let’s be honest, neither will be irreplaceable during the game.

In all honesty, they’ll probably play a lot more nickel, keep rotating Hoke and McLendon at NT, Hood at DE down on the line, bring Woodley and Harrison up on the line, standing up.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 3, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking abou McLendon playing some DE instead of Hoke. He played it last year when Smith and Keisel went down, and seemed to do well.

But wouldn’t playing more nickle hurt the run defense even more? Hampton is a very under rated NT in the league and is a big reason why the run defense works, if we are going into nickle defense it better be with someone who is some what athletic and get off the ball and get some push into the pocket.

James Harrison~ "We are not trying to hit nobody hard. We don't want to get fined" *blank stare* /end sarcasm.

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it interesting that Brian McFadden was a healthy scratch. So they cut Crezdon Butler for an expensive, over 30 veteran they decide not to even suit up by week 4?

Tomlin had the chance to get that defense a little younger (and cheaper) by cutting McFadden and Hoke. I hope sentiment for veteran players didn’t drive those decisions.

by leroy jenkins on Oct 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I’d imagine McFadden could play safety in a pinch. And is our best tackling CB. but I agree McFadden should definitely be on the cutting block, Keenan Lewis is looking pretty good and I don’t think he will be losing his spot any time soon.

Hoke on the other hand I don’t think they could afford to cut unless they felt good about one of the UDFA NTs they brought in. Especially now with Hampton getting cut blocked every week and no real back up.

James Harrison~ "We are not trying to hit nobody hard. We don't want to get fined" *blank stare* /end sarcasm.

by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 3, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder why he isn’t getting played. Lewis might be better at this point, but I’d still like to see McFadden in the third or fourth spot

by klompus on Oct 3, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gay must be a better nickle

I think they want Lewis, Brown and Allen getting as many snaps as they can. Also McFadden’s hamstring seems to be easy to tweak so maybe they are saying him as insurance but replacing him when possible.

Did Butler get signed anywhere?

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 3, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arizona

IIRC

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by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 3, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

When everyone is HEALTHY....

We are pretty darn good, when we are struggling with injuries…we are pretty darn BAD. I think that their have been under the radar injuries that just haven’t been discussed since week 1. People are playing because they feel they have too and that is why we are seeing some weakness as well.

by SteelerChick1 on Oct 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post

I’m glad someone was watching Curtis Brown and it’s good to know that we’ve got such a promising kid on the bench. But I’m not sure that we can read too much into the performances of Pouncey, Kemo and Foster. When things start to fall apart on the OL, it’s a bit like a machine that’s missing some key parts. I think if we can get the most pressing OL positions under control, the other guys’ play will improve as well.

By the way, did you see how the Jets’ OL fell completely apart last night against the Ravens just because they lost their starting center Mangold? Even one bad part can screw up the machine.

by Billy52 on Oct 3, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Anything new on Ben's leg?

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Oct 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea, it’s stanky.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 3, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good one lol

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 3, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is up with Mendenhall? I know the OL is struggling, but he still doesn’t look the same. God and Memo looked better yesterday behind the same line.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 3, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Merrill Hoge said the reasons why the Steelers are struggling are ...

No. 1: This OL, particularly the guards, cannot even block simple, basic stunts that are taught to DL on the first day of training camp. And the OT’s cannot hold up one on one.

No. 2: The DL is getting manhandled. He said A. Smith, Big Snack and Keisel used to be immovable in the run game, allowing the LBs to go make tackles, but not so far this year. He said he could watch film for another five years and not see an OL crumble a DL and have the backside as wide open as it was on the cutback run by A. Foster in the 4th Q for that touchdown. (After watching the replay several times, that should have been Woodley’s gap to close first but Troy did take a terrible angle on the tackle. Both Hampton and Ziggy were on the ground before Foster got to the line of scrimmage).

On that first drive, when Ryan Clark was making all the tackles about 10 years down the field, he had that expression on his face like “WTF are you guys doing up there!”

by datruth4life2.0 on Oct 3, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

haha I love the last part.

by klompus on Oct 3, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Higher Ceiling

I would say that the Texans would have a higher ceiling. Better Offense, younger Defense. No Peyton Manning. So how could you justify saying the Steelers have a higher ceiling? If anything the Steelers might have already reached the peak, and on the way down.

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by WreckNTexan on Oct 3, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I know that past isn't an indication of the future

But, until Houston proves they can put a full season together, there’s no telling if they have a high ceiling. The Steelers aren’t even on the way down, they just have off years. 7 losing seasons in the last 40 years.

by FrankWyt on Oct 3, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ceilings are based on not having information… it’s like saying Timmons ceiling at ILB was very high in his first year starting when he didn’t look outright amazing.

by klompus on Oct 3, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

here my take

I say put Turner at the right tackle spot and move Gilbert over to LT as you suggest.

by steelmann58 on Oct 4, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn't hurt to try

Turner cannot be any worse than Trai Essex. These young guys will play hard because they are looking for a nice rise in pay after their 3rd year. Also they are still caught up in the excitement of the game. Let’s face it, we need “improvement” if we want to be blessed with the presence of Ben at QB.

by Allen F on Oct 4, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  


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