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Ten Observations About the Steelers Win Over New England

Wonderful, another post from the great maryrose. I suppose being in attendance for a Steelers win over the Patriots gets everybody's juices flowing. Great stuff as always here. -Michael B.-

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Style Points Do Matter

Pardon me for contradicting the great Tomlinator, but there is some substance to style points. I know a win is a win, you are what your record says you are, etc. etc. I get all that. But when your team is getting eaten alive on the offensive line of scrimmage, and your quarterback is being pounded into submission, you cannot help to think that in the long run, "this can't end well." When your defensive backfield is vulnerable to getting dinked and dunked into submission, and you know that in the end you will play against quarterbacks who have the ability to do just that, you cannot help to think that in the long run, "this can't end well." Yeah, maybe we can go 11-5 and get into the playoffs, but we all know the swords that will eventually kill us. The Steelers are showing us that maybe our Achilles Heel might not be so vulnerable anymore. This win was much more than an eight-point victory over a long-time nemesis. This win was an indicator that perhaps the team's two perceived weak spots, offensive line and defensive backfield, just might be good enough to beat anybody. Ben is getting time. His sacks are due to him trying to prolong the play, or the two whacko plays at the end of the game where they looked like they wanted to get sacked. And how about that defensive backfield? No longer playing 12 yards off the ball, those guys are much more effective. And this isn't about Hall of Famer Dick LeBeau finally seeing the light - this is about guys like Lewis and Gay and Mundy and Allen finally being smart enough and talented enough to play that style. All of this bodes well for the Steelers.

 

In My Office Please

Star-divide

If I was Art Rooney, and I like to pretend I am, I call Ryan Clark and Chris Kemo into my office at 8:00 a.m. Monday morning. I tell them: "The next time you cost us 15 yards with sheer stupidity, you will be suspended for a game and lose that pay. And I am serious. I will do what it takes to get you to understand the severity of what your stupidity is costing us. Yeah great, when we win it all gets swept under the rug, but the time will come when we don't win, and you might be the reason. This spearing and launching at players out of bounds or down on the ground will not be tolerated. And don't tell me Ryan that the great plays you stonewall more than make up for the weekly bonehead. I don't buy that. Great players don't force that exchange. Be a great player, not an undisciplined one. Is there anything about what I am saying that isn't clear to you? Fine, have a nice day and please know that we love your passion and physicality, but when it crosses the line into stupidity, I will not tolerate it anymore."

 

Steeler Football

There are dinosaurs out there who still cling to the notion that we must return to "Steeler Football," a smash-mouthed running game that pounds teams into submission. I understand the concept of football in bad weather, but the idea that the running game controls the clock more than the passing game is bunk. Ben threw 50 passes on Sunday, and what was the time of possession? Two to one. Brady ran exactly three plays in the first quarter. I am not minimizing the need to run when you have to run. We need Mendy and Isaac and Mewelde to be a valuable part of this team. But for those who insist on the tradition of Steeler Football, I suggest you put that notion in a box with your Royal Typewriter and put it in the attic.

 

Game-Winning Drive

Steelers dominate first quarter and a half, but only up by 10. Ben throws that devastating pick and within a half minute, Brady scores to make the score 10-7. That could have damaged the psyche of the team and the entire season, but no. Ben answers with an 11-play drive that results in 7 points. That might be looked back upon as the most important drive of the regular season. No matter what happens, you need a short memory, and for Ben and the whole offense to react against the ghosts of Brady and Belichick, spoke volumes.

 

And the Last Shall be First

Once again the Steelers forced no turnovers Sunday. They have a total of three in eight games. Their team margin of -10 is the worst in the league, and yet their 6-2 record is the best. How many times have you heard coach-speak talk about winning the turnover battle? The Steelers have won exactly one turnover battle - a 1-0 victory over Arizona. Go figure.

 

From the Nitpick Department

It is true that the Steelers Young Money receiving corps is stepping up big time, and yes, we really didn't (gulp) need Hines Ward Sunday. But there were three passes that weren't caught that Hines would have caught, and I think this mini factoid went relatively unnoticed. Ben threw low three times, putting the ball where only his receivers can catch it and move the chains. Hines always goes to the ground and cradles the pass. Ben is used to that. Young Money, however, fancies themselves to pick the ball off their shoetops and keep running to glory. Hines doesn't care about glory. All three passes fell incompIete. I Hope Hines can use the tape as a teaching point this week in the film room as he continues to be a great leader on this team.

 

Most Insane Stat of the Game

Tom Brady had a higher quarterback rating than Ben Roethlisberger. I may never trust quarterback ratings again.

 

Most Unsung Stat of the Game

Daniel Sepulveda punted only one time - at the tail end of the game when Pittsburgh wanted to forego the field goal and pin New England back. If Tomlin takes a knee and tries a field goal, the Steelers do not punt in the game.

 

Dumbbell Award

The Steelers drive down the field with the opening kick and take a 7-0 lead. Shawn Suisham promptly kicks the ball out-of-bounds, handing Brady the ball on the 40. The Pats go three-and-out, so no one noticed much. If Brady answers with 7 and the Steelers lose a close game, Suisham is also in my office at 8:00 a.m. There are mistakes that you can make that are understandable, and mistakes that are unacceptable. Kicking out-of-bounds against a team like New England is a bonehead. I look at it this way, if any NFL player (on my team) makes a mistake that my 15-year-old daughter (Maryrose) would not make, then I give that guy notice. Maryrose would not get cute and kick a ball out-of-bounds, especially with the new kickoff rule.

One More Suisham

It troubles me that with a first down on New England's 27-yard line, all we needed, with a 6-point lead was what, one yard? Two yards? No yards? Let Belichick use the two-minute warning and call his timeouts. A field goal ices that game. Tomlin had such little faith in Suisham, or in his running game, that Pittsburgh runs a couple mystery plays and ends up punting from their own 40-yard line. Maybe the Patriots bunched up the middle around Wilfork and Haynesworth and we couldn't just run the ball conventionally. How about three quarterback sneaks (to avoid losing yards) and letting Suisham kick a 43-yarder for the ice. If you don't trust that, then you need to look at your kicking situation. Something was weird about the way that sequence unfolded.

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I get a bad feeling either Clark or Kemo may be getting more than a fine this week. Clark had two of them – only one was penalized. Kemo had yet another hands-to-the-face.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I caught the hit out of bounds by Clark. What was the 2nd? Kemo….just stupid. Really need for this to be his last year. I’m not a Legursky fan either (size). Need to be drafting a longer term solution.

by fbrrocket on Oct 31, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a short run by Green-Ellis I think it was

Clark came up and made first contact helmet-to-helmet

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by barnerburner on Oct 31, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i haven't made that adjustment in my little brain yet. that just used to be a football play.

by fbrrocket on Oct 31, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kemo was beaten on the hands to the face play....

…and protecting Ben with the only tool he seemed to have at his disposal.

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by Homer J. on Oct 31, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a penalty on BJGE hit

Helmet to helmet is not a penalty when the player is a runner. He has to be defenseless. Lawfirm was not defenseless. It also was not a spearing play.

by Kevin78 on Nov 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that the same standard when Harrison kept getting fined last year?

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by barnerburner on Nov 1, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrison was never fined for a hit on a running back-only on “defenseless” receivers and QBs.

by Riddlah. on Nov 1, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

His

One millionth hands to the face

by biggcat on Nov 1, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

DING DING DING DING DING

The gentleman over there in the #68 jersey gets the prize – 15 yard penalty!

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 1, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

The achilles Heel was BA

His inability to keep a running back and tight ends in to help block has caused the O-line problems for years. He finally changed his stubborn ways.

For some reason it took LeBeau eight games to finally press cover. It seemed pretty obvious watching Brady walk all over us that this was needed. Whether our defensive backs had the talent or not is debatable but it could not have hurt to give it a try against Brady over the years.

by Yount on Oct 31, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

didn’t have the talent….plus you don’t teach what you don’t know. my guess is that it probably has more to do with Carnell Lake being there now.

by fbrrocket on Oct 31, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously you didn't see the game against Pittsburgh West....

…with the tight man-to-man coverage on Fitz and Doucet. They didn’t show the whole package, but some of us here at BTSC saw enough of it to predict that was exactly what Brady and Welker and that guy in the hoodie would be facing this week.

And do you really think they could have run tight man coverage last year with a hobbied BMAC and last year’s versions of Gay and Lewis?

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by Homer J. on Oct 31, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

chill Homer

I was referring to the last 7 games against Brady. When you are getting smoked up and down the field time and time again, it could not have hurt to try some press coverage.

by Yount on Oct 31, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did use press coverage

The CBs (William Gay in particular) could not keep up with the TEs. A lot has changed…McFadden was much worse than we thought and Keenan Lewis is much better than we thought (2011 Unsung Steelers Hero). With Lewis able to cover outside, the Steelers can use Gay in the slot or in the deep half, which frees Polamalu up to play closer to the line.

Example: Brady has a second-and-long, seven-step drop. Protection is breaking down. Troy is about eight yards away from Welker, who’s standing five yards to Brady’s right as a safety valve. Brady doesn’t throw the ball to Welker for no other reason than he sees Polamalu close to him.

He probably completes the pass, but the fact he didn’t throw it shows Polamalu’s value.

Polamalu can’t be there if Gay isn’t able to cover a deep zone with the other two corners playing man.

Lebeau didn’t have this advantage last year. That’s why we won yesterday and got killed last year.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 31, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

LeBeau did a great job of utilizing Palamalu and Gay

Even in zone coverage you eventually are playing man to man in your zone. The problem with BMac is that he was so far off the receiver at the snap he really had no chance to cover effectively. It just devastated our defense.

I played DB and it is much easier to bump and run than sit back and let the receiver get a free release off the line. You can sort of dictate where the receiver goes and how he gets there when in bump and run. You’re really at the mercy of the receiver when you are so far off the ball, like BMac was on every snap in the past. You also are sitting in an area while the receiver is running. So you eventually will have to match his speed. It also helps the pass rush when Brady cannot throw the quick slant.

by Yount on Oct 31, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also played db

but got to think that my experiences dont necessarily translate to the NFL level.

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by steelerstyle on Nov 1, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Yeah, mine didn’t either.

To Yount’s point, though, I wouldn’t say every pro-level defensive back feels they’re better in man. Devin McCourty is a great example, he played zone pretty much all of last year, and they asked him to press this year. He was a Pro Bowl player in 2010, and he’s getting char-broiled this year.

Well, I guess I can’t speak to whether McCourty feels he’s better in zone or man, but he certainly looks better in zone.

You can anticipate routes in zone, which can neutralize the advantage of surprise – proaction vs. reaction – every receiver naturally has. Zone is a team concept, though, as in everyone is covering everyone together at once. If you can get away with covering man, which you can when they don’t have an elite physical advantage, then yeah, go for it. I don’t think we’ve had that skill in recent years. It’s still probably not something the Steelers will employ on a full-time basis.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 1, 2011 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure about the OL yet

Starks and Gilbert improved our OL vastly,. but we have to face some complex blitz schemes such as Ravens, Eagles,Giants(hopefully these ones in SB) to see hiow improved our OL are. The Pats doesnt have a pass rush. Andre Carter became the best rusher, so It tells everything…

But WOW!! our defensive backs played great. I dont remember a better game of our DBs since the early 00s. Lewis played great, such as the best only shutdown corner that nobody knows Face me Ike. William Gay is playing much better.

Remember, Brady had time to throw, specially when Woodley went down, but he couldnt find anyone opened. GREAT JOB!!

by SteelerBrazil on Oct 31, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

we still have a ways to go i think. it was a good effort and confidence builder. the quicker passes help a bunch as well.

by fbrrocket on Oct 31, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, coverage was A+ for a lot of the game

But the pressure was inconsistent at best, and that can’t keep happening.

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Oct 31, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrison was out and Woodley was out for a while. That certainly was a factor.

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by Jon Ross on Oct 31, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

not true about the Pat d-line

wilfolk is a beast in the middle..

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by nycsteelerfan on Oct 31, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not a pass rusher.

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by Jon Ross on Oct 31, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

fat slob

dirty player

don’t get between him and a double quarter pounder.

by lloyd95 on Oct 31, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow, you return! How is that "guaranteed loss" thing coming?

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by PaVaSteeler on Nov 1, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope she does it again

against the ravens, its working out well for us.

But come on, who didn’t think we’d lose against the Pats.

Its when she predicted us losing to the Cards is what surprised me.

Anytime you are winning 24-6 and you end up losing that game… you suck.

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by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't

I bet a grand on the Steelers money line

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by stillergorillar on Nov 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

How much did you make?

by Riddlah. on Nov 1, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The achilles heel of QBs dinking and dunking against us

has been all but dispelled in my eyes. The secondary not only proved themselves, they whooped the pats. The Tom “pretty boy” Brady led pats offense, the king of the quick short passes, the arch enemy of the zone blitz scheme, the secondary just held the highest powered offense in the league to like 200 yards, at that was primarily on the excellent coverage from the secondary. Im very very pleased that our biggest weakness from last year has become one of our strengths IMO.
    Carnell Lake and the young fellas stepping up seems to have really made a huge difference this year, and turned this secondary into one of the best units in the NFL. Ike Taylor’s shutdown coverage has been an excellent surprise, and of course Troy P is still, by far the best SS in the league. Ryan Clark has been playing great, that guy can still lay down some flavor, that hit on Kevin Faulk to keep him outta the endzone was a huge play

by blitzzburgh on Oct 31, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The part I liked the best

was that this wasn’t Brady having an off day. It wasn’t like the Bills game where he threw 4 picks. As maryrose pointed out, his QB rating was actually better than Ben’s. This was just our guys outplaying them. Very satisfying.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 31, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1
was that this wasn’t Brady having an off day.

How very, very true. I have not written about this, but as someone above pointed out, Brady had decent time to throw (although no diary writing sessions like last year) but they their were just not people open.

by Hombre de Acero on Oct 31, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

you won’t hear that from the ‘analyst’.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair we had the ball for an unusually high amount of time, that being said, sometimes offense is the best defense.

I liked what we did on defense and we look much better than years past, but we still are going to need to possess the ball a lot to beat teams like GB.

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by Jon Ross on Oct 31, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought this was interesting:

From a piece on the Patriots D from ‘Grantland’:

“The Patriots have been preparing for this day for several years now. They just have very little to show for their preparation. Over the past five seasons, the Patriots have used 11 picks in the first three rounds of the NFL draft on defensive players. Only three of those players started on Sunday, and only one — safety Patrick Chung — has been playing at an above-average level this season. Three more (linebacker Jerod Mayo, cornerback Ras-I Dowling, and defensive lineman Ron Brace) are injured. Linebacker Jermaine Cunningham, a second-round pick in 2010, was a healthy scratch. The other four players have all been cut, including three players who would have been important cogs in the New England secondary if they’d developed. If Matt Millen had made these same 11 picks, we’d be laughing at him.”

I giggled.

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 31, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We're seeing the decline of the Patriots

Its not going to happen all of a sudden, but rather piece by piece.

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Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 31, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's Hold Off on the Obit

It was a great game and a potential turning point, but let’s not get carried away. How many times have people, either inside or outside Pittsburgh, tried to say that this group of Steelers was finished as contenders?

by Hombre de Acero on Oct 31, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big difference between the two

Whereas we have adjusted to the season, the Patriots have not.

We still have the personnel to be a dominant defense, they do not because of their leaky secondary and lack of pass rush.

We have the personnel to be a great offense for the future, they do not because none of their WRs separate from good press coverage very well and teams are starting to figure more ways of beating that offense.

I’m not saying that they will fall off this year or even next year, but in time I think everyone is going to start seeing serious chinks in the Patriots armor. Their championship teams were built on defense, and now they cant even stop the Buffalo Bills from going up and down the field. They haven’t reloaded the way we have, and its showing. Pretty soon Brady is gonna get old, Wilfork is gonna get old, Fat Al is gonna get old, Andre Carter is gonna get old, Welker is gonna get old, Branch is gonna get old, etc.

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by StoneColdSteel on Nov 1, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Old indeed

just like Farrier, Foote, Big Snack, even 30+ Troy and Ike and Deebo

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by steelerstyle on Nov 1, 2011 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just noticed your sig -

awesomeness!

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 1, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Something was weird about the way that sequence unfolded."

The way I saw it was:

Plan A: get another 1st down to ice the game and kneel it out
Plan B: don’t get the 1st down but give Suisham another shot to kick a 40-some yarder and put it definitively out of reach with a 9-point margin
Plan F: punt

On that second down, it looked like they tried to run play-action to catch a Pats defense off-guard that was stacked for the run – if they get the first down then Plan A is achieved, if they just get a short completion and stay in bounds then it’s just like a short run and then they run it again on 3rd down to set up for Plan B.

The Pats D wasn’t caught napping at all and completely blew it up, with the 11-yard loss making both Plans A and B much more difficult.

On third down, everyone on the O-line slanted to the left. I don’t know if Gilbert thought that Anderson (who is undersized but I’m pretty sure he’s a DE) was going to drop back into coverage or something, but Gilbert went for the blitzer who had just danced up to the line instead and left Anderson to come right through completely untouched.

A gutsy call on second down proved to be a bad gamble so they spread it out again on third down – and they did have a lot of success from that formation throughout the game. Miscommunication along the O-line capped off the whole sequence as a bumbling series of events though, and I was not happy that we had to resort to Plan F either.

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by barnerburner on Oct 31, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

That was the same screen that burned them before. The Pats showed they were coming hard and we tried to catch them, but give their talent up front credit, they overran the screen.

That third down sack my BiL was yelling curses on BA, but seriously, they have some serious DL talent, and those guys showed the talent gap between them and our O-line for those three plays in the game.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 31, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree, Barner

There was indeed something weird about that sequence of plays, and Maryrose is right about the kicker. But, tt seems weird, and I’m not sure if I’ve seen this before, it looked to me like it was a throw-sack option.

The key is they needed room to punt. They weren’t gonna punt or kick from where they were, so they needed to back up while keeping the clock moving/force NE to take timeouts.

Spread them out because the Pats were stacking the middle to stop the run. Let Ben drop back, if he has a throw he can complete, do it. If not, lie down. He protected the ball and back up far enough for an effective punt. He’s not risking the fumble if he just gives himself up. They’re too close to punt and too far back for a field goal.

Not sure which Suisham you’ve been watching, but he’s among the worst kickers in the league. I wouldn’t trust him from 40 yards any more than I’d trust Reggie Bush to run five yards up the middle.

If Sepulveda’s punt was a little better, it would have worked perfectly.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 31, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We used to have Ben pooch punt from time to time. Wonder if his foot injury prevented that. Of course he probably hasn’t practiced it since Wiz left.

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by Varmint on Oct 31, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree with which part specifically?

That Plan A was to get a first down and run the clock out? That a FG was ever considered as Plan B? Do you believe that Anderson was let through – untouched – by intention rather than miscommunication? Or do you think we were playing for the punt the whole time after Redman’s 3rd down conversion?

Redman’s 3rd down conversion put us at the Pats 27-yard line – if we don’t lose any yardage on the next three plays, a FG would’ve been about the same distance as the one Suisham missed earlier. Now, Suisham wasn’t even close on that miss, but what NFL coach would NOT give their kicker another chance to win a game from 43 yards? If Tomlin really didn’t trust Suisham to win a game from any distance under 45 yards, Suisham really wouldn’t be on the team to begin with.

If Suisham DID miss, the Pats would’ve gotten the ball around the 33-yard line (which is NOT midfield by any stretch of the imagination), and they’d still have quite a ways to go in roughly 20 seconds.

My argument was that the play call on 2nd down was a gamble to make Plan A an instant reality, and that the 2nd down sack losing 11 yards was much more influential of the two because it immediately made both Plan A and B much more difficult. The way in which our 2nd down play was thoroughly blown up, coupled with Anderson coming through completely untouched on 3rd down, made it quite the series of bumbling events.

I never said anything about the sack being less desirable than an incompletion that would’ve stopped the clock (which you didn’t either, I just wanted to make that clear), but I refuse to believe that that sack (or the previous one, or any sack in general for that matter) was actively desired by our coaching staff. It wasn’t the worst possible outcome of the play, but there’s no way they ran it intending to lose yardage. If they really wanted to concede yards and give Sepulveda plenty of room to punt, they would’ve done a better job of it. Ben wouldn’t have bothered to pretend to set up in the pocket, and would’ve run straight backwards after receiving the snap instead.

So when it comes right down to it, I’m not sure what part you were disagreeing with. Unless you think Tomlin is content to have a kicker that he wouldn’t put on the field to win a game with a 43-yard FG try.

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by barnerburner on Oct 31, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we don’t lose any yardage on the next three plays, a FG would’ve been about the same distance as the one Suisham missed earlier. Now, Suisham wasn’t even close on that miss, but what NFL coach would NOT give their kicker another chance to win a game from 43 yards? If Tomlin really didn’t trust Suisham to win a game from any distance under 45 yards, Suisham really wouldn’t be on the team to begin with.

I dunno…maybe a coach who just saw his guy miss badly from that distance a few minutes earlier (one you even said he missed badly and I agree with you). If not him, then definitely a coach who sees a big “4-for-7” next to his kicker’s stat line from 40-49 this year.

I understand what you mean, you’re also assuming Tomlin could cut Suisham immediately after the kick. While I don’t think that’s a terrible idea, I really don’t think he’s on the team much longer. You seem to be trying to bait me into justifying Suisham’s roster spot, which is impossible. He shouldn’t be there, but I’m not sure what their options are. When something seems clear as day (cutting Suisham) to you or me, I like to think Tomlin sees it too, and there’s a reason why he’s still there, outside of what we have discussed. We have salary cap issues, maybe they don’t feel comfortable right now with any low-priced options. I dunno, but Tomlin saw how badly he missed the first 43-yarder, that we know for sure.

but I refuse to believe that that sack (or the previous one, or any sack in general for that matter) was actively desired by our coaching staff. It wasn’t the worst possible outcome of the play, but there’s no way they ran it intending to lose yardage. If they really wanted to concede yards and give Sepulveda plenty of room to punt, they would’ve done a better job of it. Ben wouldn’t have bothered to pretend to set up in the pocket, and would’ve run straight backwards after receiving the snap instead.

I know it’s a crazy concept but you didn’t read what I wrote. Running straight backwards wouldn’t have given them a chance to possibly exploit thinned out coverage due to New England stacking the line with defenders. But the Steelers could not take any risk of either stopping the clock (incompletion) or turning it over (obviously). They’d much rather keep the clock moving and take the sack there, losing eight yards in an area they’re less than 50 percent on field goals than stop the clock and gain nothing.

I’m gonna back off my original stance, I think they ran the play looking for more than one option, but at the same time, I think they said “do not risk anything, take the sack if it isn’t there, we need room to punt.”

If that didn’t happen, why then, after two sacks, did they take the delay penalty to move five yards further back?

They didn’t desire a sack, they were willing to accept moving backward if it meant the clock continued to move. They felt more comfortable with Ben holding onto the ball and taking a loss if they can at least see if they can complete a quick, short pass.

In other words, option 1, completion, Option 2, if no completion is possible, don’t fumble, stay in bounds, don’t take a big hit in the open field.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 1, 2011 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read exactly what you wrote

Phrasing it as a “throw-sack option” sounded like you were seriously overthinking it. They lined up with an empty backfield on 3rd down to try to gain some yards, but the protection was blown. Designating that play as a “throw-sack option” just because the sack wasn’t the worst possible outcome of the play seems like a fallacy. Ben has been coached well to know what he should do given the circumstances. What’s the other side of that coin if you’re not actively trying to run the clock out? An incompletion is rarely the best result of a play, but it’s rarely the worst possible result of a play either. Would you go so far as saying that other plays are designed as “throw-incompletion options”? Are running plays “gain-or-tackle-for-loss options” when losing a fumble is the worst possible result?

I’m not sure if you read what I wrote either, because I said:

I never said anything about the sack being less desirable than an incompletion that would’ve stopped the clock… It wasn’t the worst possible outcome of the play, but there’s no way they ran it intending to lose yardage.

When you say:

"do not risk anything, take the sack if it isn’t there, we need room to punt."

I think you’re correct until the last part. You don’t take a sack to make room to punt. Getting space to punt (read: losing yardage) is one of the easiest things to do in football – and it doesn’t even require a live play where ANYTHING can happen (see: Rivers’ botched snap with the game in hand last night). You can give up as much yardage as you want by repeatedly letting the playclock hit double-zero without snapping the ball, until you are as far from their end zone as you want to be. They took that delay of game penalty after the two sacks to maximize the number of seconds that would tick off the clock and because they didn’t mind the extra room for the punt, but they would’ve taken more if they felt like Sepulveda still needed more room. I know I’ve seen that before – a team take two delay of game penalties in a row to make room for a punt.

As for Suisham – my belief is that if Tomlin really didn’t trust him to kick 40-some yarders to win the game, he wouldn’t be on the team right now. Not when we have a critical rematch with Baltimore with the division (almost) on the line this weekend when a FG from that distance may or may not be the margin of victory. It would be a coaching misstep of potentially monumental proportions if Tomlin didn’t bother to get a kicker he felt like he could rely on from a standard distance (40-yards isn’t a short FG, but it’s a standard distance that every kicker in the league should be able to make it from – the 50-yarders are the looong luxury kicks).

One of Suisham’s misses from 40-49 yards was Sunday at the Pats, another one I believe was in Week 1 against the Ravens when everything was going wrong for everybody, so I’m willing to give him the same mulligan that everyone else got in Week 1 and give him the benefit of the doubt for only missing one kick from that distance during the intervening 6 weeks. He has a miss from 30-some yards on his stat sheet also, but I’m pretty sure that’s the one that was blocked by the Texans and should’ve been returned for a TD. He’d only missed that one kick during the game (and he’d already shaken off that initial kickoff shanked out of bounds and kicked well after that, so that’s a non-issue to me), so I’d absolutely give him the chance to redeem himself since the score would WIN the game.

I’m fine with giving Suisham the chance to win the game for us from 40-some yards – he was a solid 9-for-10 from that distance for us last year. If he misses some more crucial kicks, then I believe Tomlin will move to address it – just as he did with Jeff Reed last year. But if you really think that Tomlin does not trust the only kicker he has on the roster to kick from a standard NFL range, I don’t know why you’re also spinning excuses for why he hasn’t bothered to rectify the situation yet either. This isn’t like hoping your OTs are better than they actually are – there’s at least multiple guys on the roster at that position and you can hope that one of them will step up. There’s only one kicker though – if there’s no trust in the one you have, you get a new one.

If you know your roof leaks, you fix it before it rains again. If you don’t trust your kicker to win the game for you from a standard NFL distance, you get a new kicker that the jury is at least out on before the most important games of the season (this three game run Pats-Ravens-Bengals into the bye week).

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by barnerburner on Nov 1, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would love to see how this D looks with a healthy Deebo & Woodley ...

along with our young secondary that can now cover. That is when you will get your turnovers. Ed Bouchette is saying that Farrior has a torn calf muscle and could be out a month. I think this is an opportunity for the coaching staff and us to get a real good look at Stevenson Sylvester over the next couple of weeks. Farrior, just like Aaron Smith, are done. Sylvester makes this D faster and the kid is explosive. I’ve always wanted to see he and Timmons paired together at ILB. This could also let the Steeelers know if drafting an ILB early should be a priority next year or if Sylvester can handle the job. The way Baltimore plays, he and Foote will have the opportunity to make a lot of tackles.

by datruth4life2.0 on Oct 31, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Did the FO really hit on crucial mid round picks with desparately needed press DB's in Kenan and Cortez? Too early to say, but rest of the league really hopes not.

FO obviously had outrageous mid round success with Wallace, Sanders, Brown. Case is closed on that one. But now we are seeing if the FO really did have solid success with press DB’s. Cortez looks strong as well as agile and Kenan is also big enough to play on TE’s. When I watch the D, I focus on those two whenever they play. If they turn to be really solid, this D could be relentless. Also can’t wait to see if Curtis Brown’s quicks allow him to a good nickel.

by buddydial on Oct 31, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This just in: Colbert drafts well.

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by Homer J. on Oct 31, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

My goodness it looks like the lights have come on for K. Lewis. He is playing the defense right.

Allen was too far off his man a few times, but he looks promising. Mundy is a great player for us as well.

Maybe we didn’t need higher draft picks spent on DB’s, maybe we just needed Carnell Lake to come home.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 31, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Did the FO really hit on crucial mid round picks with desparately needed press DB's in Kenan and Cortez? "

Yes. And maybe. Lewis has exceeded reasonable expectations, and the lack of McFadden has boosted this team to a much higher level in terms of coverage. Allen’s looked good, but he hasn’t played a whole lot. Jury’s still out.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 31, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looked to me...

like Sylvester got beaten up.

by biggcat on Oct 31, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Pick Up on Stevenson

Neal, great pick up there. I missed that. Really, when I didn’t hear his name, I thought “well, he must have at least not been screwing up.”

That is not good to see. We need him and Worilds to develop.

by Hombre de Acero on Oct 31, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

but we had to find out what we had. I say play him in spurts throughout the season.

If you get the same result. Your second rounder is probably going to be a ILB in the draft this year.

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by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or O-line with 1st being an ILB

It all depends where the value is when it comes to our pick.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And this isn’t about Hall of Famer Dick LeBeau finally seeing the light – this is about guys like Lewis and Gay and Mundy and Allen finally being smart enough and talented enough to play that style.

Thank you for this. I’m tired of hearing that LeBeau finally adapted. We have tried this before. It resulted in deep passes for TD’s. This game the DB’s pulled it off. I hope it is Carnell Lake, because if it is, damn. We got a bright future. If it isn’t him, then our CB’s collectively played the game of their careers.

As for the 27-40 yard line debacle; I commented earlier, but that second down I’m pretty sure was the quick screen we ran earlier. It was a good call, they didn’t have it snuffed out so much as they overran our blocking entirely and killed the play. At that point we were out of range and the third down happened.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 31, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Passing in that situation was not a gutsy gamble.

It was pure stupidity.

Run the ball. Get three yards. Don’t throw an incomplete pass. Don’t get sacked, lose yardage, fumble or throw a pick. You follow that strategy first and foremost for reasons of clock management. Second, because three yards gets a first and wins the game. Finally because a field goal ices the game.

I think that Tomlin is starting not to trust Suisham, but even if you don’t like the field goal, you do it for other reasons. Tomlin is great, but still makes mistakes on clock management and BA makes it harder with his addiction to pass.

by Steelzombie on Oct 31, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Far too much “downside” with a pass play, especially given the clock. With NE’s defense on their heels (most standing with hands on hips), calling #33 is the right call. Even if they went for it on 4th down, it would still take a lot of time off the clock and give the ball back on the 25 or so. Too many things to go wrong with the field goal (especially the kicker) and even a punt (considering the O-Line blocking). I just envisioned the Steelers winning every stat (except passer rating) and losing the game on this bonehead call.

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by The 58 Standard on Oct 31, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What

if #33 fumbles? It’s very likely to result in a NE recovery in very good field position. It’s more likely to happen in the jostling of a runner trying to get through the stacked box than by a QB as big and strong (and prepared for the possibility) as Ben. I suspect that Ben was charged with trying something only if it was essentially failsafe, but to otherwise hold onto the ball and go down. And 3 yards don’t get a first. It was a 2nd and 11, because the run on 1st down was stuffed behind the LOS, and then a 3rd and 22. I had a look at those two pass plays, and especially on the 2nd one Ben went down practically before he was touched. I think the gunslinger instinct took over on the third one and he waited to actually have the guy grab his ankles before he went down.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 1, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1
I suspect that Ben was charged with trying something only if it was essentially failsafe, but to otherwise hold onto the ball and go down.

Glad I’m not the only one who thought that. A good comparison would be in baseball. Barry Bonds sometimes swung twice when he was being intentionally walked to see if they’d pitch to him with two strikes.

The Patriots were daring the Steelers to throw by putting so may guys up front, so the Steelers looked to see if any of their guys could get open enough where a pass was a sure completion.

Worst case scenario, nothing is open, you go down before the rush gets there. No risk of fumble, no hit taken, and you fall back far enough to make punting inside the 10 easier. Seems like a smart plan. Best case scenario, you complete something short, make a move, get a first down.

Then you’re kneeling inside your opponent’s 20, which is easily the coolest way to win a football game.

If you run the ball, you risk fumbling because you’re going to draw a lot of contact, and all the defenders are trying to do is stand you up so their buddies can take swipes at the ball. You’re not gonna gain any yards, and you’re not going to set up an easier punt. Best case, you hang onto the ball, and keep the clock moving.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 1, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if 33 fumbles?

Seriously? If Tomlin tells Issac: “I don’t care if you lose yardage, just don’t fumble.” He may not be “that guy”, but I don’t think he fumbles.
Seriously? You would rather trust Ben in a potential turnover situation than Redman? I wouldn’t put any money on that one.

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by alfresco on Nov 1, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know

that the thought is heresy.

You would rather trust Ben in a potential turnover situation than Redman?
But Ben fumbles when he doesn’t expect the hit. When he does, he protects the ball. Did you see the play a couple of weeks ago where a defender grabbed his arm as he was throwing, and he managed to pull the ball in and clutch it to his chest as he was going down? Unbelievable. He’s got huge and immensely strong hands, as is evidenced by his crazy pump fakes. I see what you’re saying, but I still think that there is a bigger chance that a back fumbles in that circumstance than Ben fumbling when he knows what’s coming.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there
I still think that there is a bigger chance that a back fumbles in that circumstance than Ben fumbling when he knows what’s coming.

I’m not sure relegating Issac to “a back”, and letting Ben remain himself, helps your argument. I do however, understand the tactic.

: )

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by alfresco on Nov 1, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE FIELD GOAL IS TOO RISKY B/C THE KICKER SUUUUUUCKS! A PASS IS TOO RISKY B/C ITS NEW ENGLAND’S LAST GASP CHANCE AT A TURNOVER DESPERATELY NEEDED. TAKING THE LOSS BARRING A WIDE OPEN TARGET AND PINNING THEM WITH 20 SECS IS THE WAY TO GO! AND, IT WORKED!!

by jayphayes on Nov 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way Steelers were sending Suisum out there...

The one way they could have lost the game there was to have him trot out and miss from 47, and allow Pats 3-4 plays starting from their 37. While their execution was a problem, I didn’t see an issue with the idea.

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by idiscgolftexas on Oct 31, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Suisham is not a good kicker

This just in.

Oh, wait, that was also the case in Washington.

Oh well.

We have an undeniable kicker who shanks in pressure situations. I could think of worse things. But it has to be addressed, nonetheless.

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 31, 2011 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Unreliable.

Hate when your comp thinks it knows what you mean. I typed ‘unreliable.’

I need to fire my computer.

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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 31, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kick it out of bounds

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by alfresco on Nov 1, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the only part of the setup I didn’t like….that the coffin corner wasn’t in effect.

by jayphayes on Nov 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

There is no way they were ever going to kick there.

It was first down or punt away.

Also, I thought the Patriots pass rush was embarrassingly poor.
I’m still not sold on our O-line. We’ll find out where they really are next week.

by Kierrr on Oct 31, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW, my second post...

I should have said it in my first.

Nice to be here and chat with you all.

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by Kierrr on Oct 31, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

welcome!

thanks for joining the party! Great time to do so.

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by Michael Bean on Oct 31, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome good sir

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by StoneColdSteel on Oct 31, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Suisham
How about three quarterback sneaks (to avoid losing yards) and letting Suisham kick a 43-yarder for the ice. If you don’t trust that, then you need to look at your kicking situation. Something was weird about the way that sequence unfolded.

Yes. This. We should be looking at kickers THIS WEEK!

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Oct 31, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Bye week

Wouldn’t be surprised if they made a few calls this week though. He’s not gonna make it through the season.

by Neal Coolong on Oct 31, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that Kickers make big $

But do they have the cap space to afford to make a move?

by Hombre de Acero on Oct 31, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barely

I suspect that plays into this somehow.

The amount of injuries the Steelers have in their LB unit, the question they have to be asking is can we fix our current kicker situation in-house, or do we need to use what little cap room we have to release and sign a new one for league-minimum, and probably get league-minimum performance from him? Is that player going to be any better than Suisham? Ideally, if we had the cap space, I highly doubt he’d be on the roster. The reality is, we only have one bullet left as far as roster moves go, so we have to fire it carefully.

Harrison says worst case scenario, he’ll be back after the bye. That’s no guarantee he’ll play against Cincinnati. What if Woodley messes up his hamstring even more by trying to play on it too soon?

That means we’re starting Lawrence Timmons (clearly playing out of his element) and either the gimpy Jason Worilds (same injury as Woodley, FYI, and Worilds has been out for a few weeks now) or the undersized/overmatched Chris Carter with NO back-up against a 5-2 division rival (Bengals).

You may need to use that money on a OLB next week. I also hate to suggest this, but what would happen if Timmons goes down? Or Foote? Suddenly, our kicker converting just north of 50 percent of his kicks over 40 yards is much less of a problem.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 1, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say

we keep Suish for now and just draft a guy in the 5th round next year.

Like you said we have more pressing issues.

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by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well said. Furthermore,

if we can figure out a better red zone strategy, we won’t be reliant on our kicker to win games. Frankly, I think that is a way better solution to the problem than trying to find another kicker at the moment.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 1, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good analysis

But can we talk about the Spin Doctor running hard, and Woodley having a monster game?

Brady is hard to sack. Wolverine did it twice, and generally just looked disruptive, involved, and motivated. He seems like he’s really starting to round into form; I hope the hamstring injury doesn’t interrupt it.

As to Mendenhall, I know he has his detractors, but I’ve never been one of them. That said, since he was “injured” for the Titans game, he’s played like someone who is a LOT more motivated, and seems to be performing to his considerable ability, rather than always just seeming like he’s on the verge of more, but not quite getting there. He’s looked GOOD the last few games.

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by lottwasgangsta on Oct 31, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Every now and then you gotta motivate a guy a little bit

If I was Tomlin I’d make sure that I would pencil in Worilds as a “healthy scratch” when Harrison gets back. At least for a week or so.

Week 1 for us was an example of what can happen when someone is motivated enough.

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by StoneColdSteel on Oct 31, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Play of the Game up at 9 a.m. CT Tuesday

It MAY have something to do with LaMarr Woodley…

by Neal Coolong on Nov 1, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Clark gave some credit to Carnell Lake today on ESPN2 for the way the secondary is playing lately. Which is something most of us have guessed at.

by since'75 on Oct 31, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

at risk of looking like a dinosaur here

but I do still think it’s necessary to run the ball effectively. Even this shining example of a game shows the dire need for it. In the redzone where the passing lanes compress, it’s much harder to throw for TD’s than it is to pound the rock. We had a fantastic game except for our redzone offense. If we could have run the ball better, then we would have won by multiple TD’s.

by lkwdsteel on Oct 31, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Cutest thing ever...

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 1, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

we passed 5 times in the redzone with one rush. It just wasn’t happening. The Pats have a good redzone defense despite giving up a lot of yards.

You had play where Kemo got blown up and ruined the pass play, another play where a player was open but it was before the endzone and the next play was a questionable non call for pass interference.

Second time we got in there the first play was a catch before the endzone. Second was a run and the third was incomplete. Its just tough.

We’re asking a lot from the guys and BA but maybe a run on first down may set it up better. IDK

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by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

In my office please.

Good post and some very sound points. I can’t stand the way NFL teams put up with all the dumb penalties and players that just don’t get it (OL guys who consistently start before the snap; DL guys who jump offsides). Ryan Clark is one of my favorite Steelers, so I can’t be too hard on him—unless he keeps pulling these stunts the rest of the season. In general, though, you’re on the right track. Teams that lay down the law with players and let them know that certain actions won’t be tolerated are going to win the close games because they’re more disciplined.

The only thing I don’t totally agree with is that a running game doesn’t matter anymore. The Steelers don’t run for two main reasons. First, they don’t have the OL to pull it off. Second, BA hates to run the ball. But not running the ball is just plain lazy football IMHO. Your OL never run-blocks often enough to get into any sort of rhythm. No wonder it doesn’t work consistently. That being said, though, I realize that you won’t ever beat a team like the Pats or the Packers by grinding it out. All I’d like to see is a credible running game. Something to hang our hats on when we need to kill the clock.

by Billy52 on Oct 31, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think clark

saw him go OB so I give him a pass.

We are going to need a running game late november and december.

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by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with both of you

Those penalties are stupid, and really hurt a team in close games. And I agree with Tann that I don’t think Clark was sure that he was out; I think between hitting a guy to be on the safe side, and giving up a sideline run, Clark erred on the side of being a tough guy, for which we love him most of the time.

When I saw it live, I thought “he’s just playing football!”, and then on the replay was like “well, that was kinda stupid, Clark…”

Re: the running game- we’ve GOT one! IT just didn’t get used as frequently against New England.

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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 1, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

I’m watching the SD and KC game now, and damn do I wish we had their kicker. They just signed him off the street pretty much.

I can’t understand how with like 300 colleges having kickers we still can’t find one.

Suisham can’t deal with Heinz field.

Otherwise, I think all your points are good. Especially the first one about the late hits. It’s getting ridiculous.

by Mechem on Oct 31, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Refs in SD KC game

Is is just me or does the officiating stink? The penalty on the Gates TD pass was terrible by itself but is seems to be part of a larger body of work.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Oct 31, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were two

horrible calls against the Chargers.
I believe the problem is, it’s prime time, and they want their face on tv as much as possible
that game was horrible, all around. The Chiefs were horrible.
Either way…I can’t even remember the last time i didn’t regret wasting 3-4 hours to watch a Monday night game….awful…all the way around

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by FrankWyt on Nov 1, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm Tomlin, I don't let Suisham kick anything over 40 yards in that situation.

The guy just isn’t consistent from that range. I think, when it comes to our Canadian kicker, he’s just holding the spot warm until the next Gary Anderson/Jeff Reed long-term solution is found.

by Anthony Defeo on Oct 31, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I think You're Right

Tony, I think you’re right. When he signed, a friend of mine from DC said that sometimes kickers bounce around before finding a place to settle down.

Last year it seemed like this might have been happening.

But his misses from 40 plus are becoming a little too common place.

by Hombre de Acero on Oct 31, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Dinosaur Too

We watch football for a variety of reasons. Some people just want to be associated with winning. I have had friends who chose to cheer the 49ers, Yankees, and Celtics, just because they had winning traditions.

I don’t judge that. But it’s not me.

I love football because it’s strategic violence as a sport, where one team imposes their will on another. I love the fact that teams are different, with different personalities and different traditions.

I don’t want the Steelers to become a west coast offense. I don’t want them to follow the received wisdom. I don’t want our games to look like the Patriots. Yes, they win a lot… I know. But i don’t like clinical games with 50 throws to diva wideouts by QBs, neither of whom can’t be touched for fear of penalty. I don’t want us to play Goodellball. I want our defense to be violent and aggressive and fun. I want to see Hines smash somebody in the chops. And i want to cheer for wideouts who are either tough as nails like Ward or balletic acrobats like Swann.

So, yes, I am a dinosaur. I like Old School Football. Like that typewriter, it has a soul and i know what it is.

by Steelzombie on Nov 1, 2011 2:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I want us to do whatever it takes to win.

Those who can...do.
Those who can't... post on message boards using a screen name boasting the name of those who can.

by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Nov 1, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

right now, passing is getting wins…that’s what i want
these people will change their minds when a 3 game losing streak happens because they were so committed to the run.

Even in wins, you still can’t please some people

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by FrankWyt on Nov 1, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job secondary

Does anybody else find it ironic that our pass defense has drastically improved since Carnell Lake became our secondary coach and Horton left for Arizona? I think we should Lake some props for his job in teaching these guys. I was always the first one to ridicule William Gay so I’ll be the first one to give him credit, he is playing great football as well as Keenan Lewis. He was in the last chance saloon but he came out fighting and has made B-Mac more than expendable.

by Kevin Okonkwo on Nov 1, 2011 2:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Horton

It is instructive to look at Arizona’s pass D ranking.

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
--Aristotle

by steelerstyle on Nov 1, 2011 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

we had the #1 pass defense in 2008 with horton.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

awesome point about Hines MR

Hadn’t thought of his absence like that, but upon review of the game, you are correct, Ben was throwing to spots he was accustomed to Hines going down low to. Great stuff.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 1, 2011 5:57 AM EDT reply actions  

That kind of analysis and insight is one reason we come to this site

I do feel spoiled by the people that post here.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article...

…a couple of comments and rebuttals:
“In My Office” “Game Winning Drive” and “Nitpicks” – you are absolutely right on all three. In particular your “Nitpick” – I remember groaning when Ben threw those low balls, but your comments clarified that they weren’t (necessarily) poor throws, but throws Hines would have caught, and the Young Money crew is still a few cents short of being of equal value to Hines.

Rebuttal: “Steeler Football” – while I agree that the old Steeler game of running down your throat is no longer effective in today’s pass as run game, when we run, it should still be a signature Steeler run. This physicality on the offense, combined with the (recently rejuvinated) physicality on defense, IS Steeler football. Don’t confuse the desire to see smashmouth running with the ill-placed desire to see Steeler game plans of the 70’s; its just that we’ve never been known for, and Steeler Nation probably doesn’t ever want to see, dancing running backs. When we run, we should punish you so much that you either give up yards, or stack against the run so much we kill you with short or long passes. I don’t need to see 100+ yards a game running necessarily; I do believe we need 40-45% runs, up the middle, off tackle into the defenses bleeding mouth however to remain true to who the Steelers are.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Nov 1, 2011 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, forgot to turn the BOLD off after "when".

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Nov 1, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

NO PROBLEM lol

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 1, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cheatriots

nice to see them lose; their sb’s arent valid due to cheating and being a “league team”- good for the leauge if they win.

comments: steelers better without ward and farrior at this point; theyre too slow. same for a smith. suisham a problem, yes- but coaching was worse- 2 runs and one or two passes shoulda have been called at end from the 27. a punt should never have occured, and a FG attempt only if inside the 20. they should have used all 4 downs. they risked a loss when that should not have eben been a remote possibility- and thats on the coaches (very steelers-like). i wonder if pooch kick by ben was an option? pats mishandled the end of game as well. their drop-kick was the right idea, but the wrong method.- the punter should have been executing a traditional punt- but as a very low line drive in the middle of the field. ps- kemo helped cost us the sb last year with his dumb penalty at end- cuasing us to start from terrible field position; we start at the 30 or suymthin- could have won.

by mikebb on Nov 1, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

norv turner

people asked me what happend to phil rivers?- very simple- has been norved. chargers (or anyone) with norv at helm will never win sb, and prob not even make it to championship game. maybe a good coordiantor- but a joke as a head coach

by mikebb on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

this

and the guys at espn continue to give him a pass.

Dilfer flat out said you can’t blame Norv for this.

Really? Dilfer, please. Norv is killing a great team and what Rex Ryan said has some truth to it. The chargers were 13-3 and 14-2, they just needed some extra umph in the playoffs. I think they should have stuck with marty at least one more year, maybe hire norv as a offensive coordinator.

And you know their pompous GM won’t admit he did anything wrong and will watch this train wreck until the last piece of rubble finish burning. I just feel sorry for Rivers cause he is an NC State alum and a good QB and a good person.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 1, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Longtime fan, Maryrose

I’m a longtime fan of your articles. Just started some sports writing myself about six months back, and as a Steelers fan, I’ve followed your works since back in the “most heartbreaking losses” countdown. Speaking of which, I fancy myself a historian as well, and I’d love to see more countdown coverage considering your extensive knowledge.
A few thoughts re: the article:
1) They say perception is reality. As fans, we skew the happenings on the field, especially the negative ones, into a superficial analysis that translates to future team success, true or not. Those five wins over IUP and Clarion meant something in the standings, but we needed a validating victory. And, to do it in style proves the start of something special, I believe…

2) “In My Office Please”- Conversation would never EVER go that smoothly, and facing those men is different in life than in imagination. I agree that their stupid penalties have to stop (moreso with Kemo) BUT…. that would be a tougher meeting than that. :-) Just being a bit facetious; I understand what you mean!

3) Steelers football- Agreed. More than one way to skin a cat (or, in two weeks, Bengal) in today’s NFL. That said, I do feel we will eventually need to run to win a game. For example, being unable to run against the Eagles (and our running game takes off or shuts down without rhyme or reason or regard to the opposition it sometimes seems) would be a death sentence. We exposed a weakness Sunday in NE. That weakness is upfront in some franchises.

4) When live blogging the game Sunday, I noted after the interception somebody put down Ben. My response? “We’ll see how he responds. How he gets up determines our fate and his big game play in 2011. It’s all about amnesia.” I agree! Big time drive!

5) Ward has not been productive….certainly not consistently. For those key grabs (three by your count), the young guns probably got more than twice (perhaps each) the yardage he’d have accumulated. Then again, maybe he’d have also broken out, but I think Psycho 86 is reaching his final season in 2012 or 2013 (at best).

6) The turnover battle is deceptive. We were negative 7 in Baltimore! Since, it’s been relatively even, and we’ve beaten the teams we should because of how extremely inferior they are, overcoming a couple of turnover battle losses (see: Indy). Plain and simple. And, in Indy, our turnover touchdown answered theirs, or we would have lost to the worst team in the NFL right now…. The Steelers have come far in a month’s time!

7) Brady had a better passer rating, which is about efficiency, not volume. Tom played pretty well considering the defense’s level of performance. Completing 70% of his passes (normal feat for Brady here), avoiding the interception, and putting together two touchdowns (one on an eight yard drive that may be the difference in their ratings…. Ben throws a huge pick, Brady capitalizes). Tom’s still the man, make no mistakes, but he wasn’t as much the man as usual. Why? He saw 18 minutes of play!!!!!!!!!!

8) Suisham, I agree…. liability. Period. I agreed with Tomlin to take the losses and attempt to punt and pin, preventing the Pats from possibly getting the ball at the 35, needing one pass to set up a hail mary from legitimate distance.

by jayphayes on Nov 2, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  


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