Texans Duane Brown Should Be Fined
It'd be easy to say it's ironic that Steelers OLB James Harrison's injury, which will likely cost him several weeks of the 2011 season, was caused by a helmet-to-helmet hit, considering the amount of fines he picked up for league-interpreted hits last season.
It wouldn't be ironic. But it would be true.
Texans LT Duane Brown - who is a full four inches taller - hit Harrison in the forehead area of his helmet with the crown of his own helmet on a screen pass in the second quarter of Houston's 17-10 win over Pittsburgh in Week 4.
It wasn't a dirty hit.
Let me type that again. It was not a dirty hit. Duane Brown played an excellent game and is a member of the most underrated offensive line in the league.
But it was, according to the rules, an illegal hit. Rule 12 (player conduct), Section 2 (personal fouls) Article 8 (Unnecessary roughness) Paragraph g in the NFL rulebook states:
g. If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/"hairline" parts) or
facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.
Despite any prior fines to Harrison or the Steelers, visual evidence strongly suggests Brown used the "top/crown" portion of his helmet to strike Harrison "violently."
First, Brown has his helmet down in a "ram"ming position.
And he ends up hitting Harrison with the crown of his helmet.
The issue here is whether Brown, an offensive player, will be the recipient of a rare fine on an offensive lineman for such an act. It's a bit one-sided to claim incidental contact, too, considering the amount of fines given to defensive players for helmet-to-helmet infractions.
He shouldn't be fined because of the injury Harrison suffered on the play. He should be fined because the rule book states clearly what he did was illegal, and considering the amount of fines levied on defensive players for the same thing, it would show some consistency in an otherwise inconsistent administration.
The only significant difference between most other helmet-to-helmet hits we've seen and this one is simple; the offensive player initiated this hit. The league either needs to simply state what we've all been assuming - offensive players are far more important than defensive players - or they're going to need to continue fumbling around and re-tooling the game at the detriment of the players and the fans.
There's also a sense of frustration for the Steelers players. They just lost one of their top defensive players before a critically important game at the same time his back-up is likely out too. They lose $15,000 for horse collar tackles, shouldn't they at least see some kind of acknowledgement from the league it will call it equal, or as Al Czervik says,"keep it fair, keep it fair?"
I am not calling Brown's hit dirty, but the fact is he violated the letter of the rule. Since I cannot find Goodell's "spirit of the rule" book, I'm assuming a reasonably minded person will take this by the letter. Brown led with his head down. He hit an opposing player in the helmet with his own helmet.
If Brown does not get fined for it, the league is concretely stating defensive players don't matter.
Too bad the Steelers are a defensive team. It's not like they've been catching a break with the regulatory-happy leadership that's infected this league over the last five seasons. Goodell didn't go out of his way to help the Steelers convince a star offensive player to play there.
I am not in favor of fines. I think the flagless version of Flag Football Goodell has turned this game into is becoming a sham. But the fact of the matter is a rule of violated, and nowhere in the rule book bearing Goodell's name does it suggest helmet-to-helmet infractions are only to be called on the defensive player.
It's up to the league to decide if they want to follow through on their initiative to make a dangerously violent game safer, and make everyone (except the quarterbacks, of course) play by the same rules, or if they want to announce clearly their only intention in the anti-physicality campaign is to protect their offensive players.
Don't agree? Ask yourself this, if James Harrison hit Duane Brown the same way, would he be fined?
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If he doesn't get fined...
Do you think the Steelers will raise this issue with the NFL?
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Based on the rule
And based on the league’s commitment to fining players for these hits, they have no recourse but to fine him.
They started this circus grossly underestimating the gray area involved. They chose to take a stance of “we know it when we see it.” The only excuse they would have for not fining him would be “we aren’t looking at offensive players.”
I guess there are two separate scenarios
If he gets fined and if the fine is less than Polamalu’s horse collar tackle, there will still be an uproar (among the fans not the Steelers org).
If he doesn’t get fined then I hope Rooney personally calls Goodell to take care of his BS.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
by Han on Oct 4, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The hit was clearly against the rules.
And I’m not sure how clean it was either. I think it was intentional on Brown’s part. There’s blood in the water and the sharks want to feed on our best players.
You mean, a bit like
how Albert Haynesworth should have been suspended, but wasn’t?
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by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 4, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He should get at least 25k
But I doubt he gets anything
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by seton hall and steelers on Oct 4, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
He should pay for Harrison's surgery
just saying
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This made my week in football
I’m feeling happy that the giant gorilla mofo Harrison had his eye socket fractured. I cant think of anyone else who deserves it more. Too bad he didn’t have a concussion as well karma is a beeotch >=)
by Davey Boi Sully on Oct 4, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Pretty much tells us the state of your team when injuries in football give you more pleasure than winning games and Super Bowl trophies.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
by Han on Oct 4, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
congratulations on your first post here in BTSC
now get out!
"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Another example
of why there should be a 24-hour waiting period before new members are permitted to post. He signed up just to grace us with this asinine post.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Oct 4, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
were tough enough here in Steeler Nation
to deal with the occasional Troll!
by steeler fever on Oct 4, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
MaLoR,
I thought better of you than that.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 4, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, it actually went green. I only voted once for a change.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Is this...
Roger Goodell? Nice of you to drop by commissioner.
by pistil_stamen on Oct 5, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
name one time Harrison used his helmet to hit another players helmet, besides the Browns game… I’ll wait.
James Harrison~ "We are not trying to hit nobody hard. We don't want to get fined" *blank stare* /end sarcasm.
by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Oct 5, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The injury was unfortunate...
but even Harrison would’ve approved of the aggression and ferocity of the blow. Let’s face it…he’s been laying the wood to folks his whole career!
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
Unfortunately
this isn’t about whether or not Harrison would approve of the Ferocity, which I think he would. It is about whether the rules and fines are applied to all players or just the defensive players. Reread the last sentence, had this hit been reversed Harrison would already be fined. I am not saying it is right, but if you are going to fine D players for the same thing then you must hold O players to the same standard. This wasn’t incidental contact, like a reciever lowering his body into a hit, it was a man a full four inches taller lowering himself and using the crown of his helmet, which is the letter of the rule.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Oct 5, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And receivers lowering their heads into hits
are resulting in H to H fines for the defensive player anyhow – see Byrd, Jairus most recently…
If this guy isn’t fined, something is really awry in the NFL office. As it was it wasn’t flagged IIRC…
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by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 5, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Just wondering
how there was no flag on the hit on Ward? Helmet to the back of a reciever who is not in the position to defend himself. It is a real wonder that Ward was able to get up after that one. If Memo makes that same hit on someone, 25K for sure, but what would you expect??
I have seen a number of people say that Harrison “deserved” what he got. I think that is just absurd as well as mean spirited and spiteful. Why would anyone wish a possibly season ending injury on anyone, it like wishing someone would get hit by a car. It really grinds my gears and I think people like that can go kick rocks.
by ChitownSteelerfan on Oct 4, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
Not a dirty hit
I don’t think it was a dirty hit, I think football can be a violent sport and I think the game moves too fast for anyone to pre-plan a hit like that. Plus, with a helmet to helmet hit, Brown’s head is in the other helmet and he could have been hurt as bad as Harrison or even worse. But anyone who thinks Harrison deserved it or roots for injuries is a straight-up bad person.
The issue isn't whether it was a dirty hit,
although if it was intentional (and it looked like it was) then yes, it was a dirty hit. The issue is whether it was a legal hit, and, intentional or not, it certainly wasn’t legal.
Harrison was fined for hits last season that weren’t intentional, but they weren’t legal either. The issue in re a fine is whether the NFL office is administering justice impartially or not.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 5, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The hating fans are one thing....
…but when you see the players on both teams gather around a fallen player with concern on their faces, that shows that although you may actually hate the other player and his team, there is a respect for the individual’s health, life and livelyhood.
I don’t feel any player wishes to and cheers for another’s season to end. They rate themselves by beating the best or at least that’s what they say.
You'll recall
James Harrison kneeling down when the trainers were looking at Andre Johnson one play before Harrison got hurt. There’s a mutual respect within the fraternity of football players.
On that note...
I’ve seen Harrison helping opposing players up off of the ground on more than one occasion this year.
by pistil_stamen on Oct 5, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who wishes injury on another player is not worth my time.
Hence, worthless to me.
There should be a fine. Goodell is a joke, a two-faced bumbling fool who happens to be well-degreed and experienced in football matters. He should know better. He’s soiling his reputation on a weekly basis.
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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 5, 2011 12:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Shouldn't be fined
Harrison has been hitting people like this for years. Get over yourselves and sack up. Even Harrison doesn’t whine as much as you guys.
lol
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Oct 5, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrison isn't asking anyone to be fined. Neither should we.
It’s natural to say: Just be fair about the fines. Since you’re fining the Steelers, fine others as well.
But we shouldn’t go there rhetorically. Let’s keep to the correct line, and not mistake the issue. Goodell-ball means nothing less than testerone-deficient flag football. To get there, he needs to wipe out the Steelers and Ravens style of football.
(Yes, they are the rival… but give them their due. At least they too play like they have a pair.)
You may not like it, Steelzombie,
but the genie is out of the bottle, and that’s the end of the story. The league knows too much about the devastating effects of head injuries to ignore them anymore, even if their concern is merely financial at the base of it. The game has to change, and it is changing. You may note that Deebo has played some inspired football this season and hasn’t received a single fine. He bitched last season, and I supported his right to bitch, because the league basically changed their enforcement mid-stream, without giving the guys a chance to adjust. But I didn’t disagree with the need for change.
To his immense credit Harrison manned up and changed the way he played. Any reduction in effectiveness we have seen this season is due to his conditioning issues because of his back, not to any reduced “ferocity” on his part.
I totally don’t get how a good wrap-up tackle that minimizes the risk of injury for either player is less exciting than watching someone possibly end someone else’s career. Injuries are still inevitable, given the nature of the game, but anything that reduces the possibility of long-term brain damage is surely a good thing.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 5, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
And I totally disagree
that fairness doesn’t matter. If the league office wants to give the perception that some teams are more favored than others, they have gone about it really well, with situations like Albert Haynesworth not receiving a single minute of game suspension after pleading no contest to a criminal accusation, but Ben receiving six games (okay, reduced to four) for not even being charged. You either administer justice even-handedly or you admit that it isn’t justice you’re dispensing, it’s favors.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Oct 5, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Preach on, you are on point
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 5, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's football
Big guys, running fast, hitting each other. Shit happens.
Does Goodfernothing fine Brown? No. Why not? Because no talking head is screeching about how “dangerous” the hit was, and Harrison is certainly not going to complain. Nothing to see here, keep moving, nothing to see here.
Meanwhile, another shot to Ward that is supposedly illegal? Nothing to see here, keep moving, nothing to see.
I agree on all points
I think the bone of contention here is the uneveness with which fines are being levied, not the play in question. Basically the League is saying that it is okay for the offensive players to do it, but not the defensive players. something doesn’t sit well with that. The Steelers among other similarly minded teams have built their franchise on Defense, and they are being penalized for it. Whereas offensive minded teams are being rewarded for it.
"The standard is the standard" - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Oct 5, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The fines for this week are in.
Prepare to be utterly shocked. I could hardly believe my own eyes:
Out of the 4 fines levied, 3 were for hits on quarterbacks.
I can’t believe it. Unprecedented.
Where’s the sarcasm font on this anyway? I can’t find it anywhere!)
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by Fifty-Eight on Oct 8, 2011 2:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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