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James Harrison Robbed of AFC Defensive Player of the Week Honors in Week 9

Any reasonably-minded follower of the NFL would look at the stats of these two players: 

  • Five tackles, 1 INT
  • Eight tackles, 3 sacks

And quickly deduce which player had a better game. 

Unfortunately, the stigma of being named "James Harrison" has an effect on the league's decision to award the AFC Defensive Player of the Week to Jets LB David Harris

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Harrison was listed as a nominee on the league's Player of the Week press release, distributed Wednesday. 

Pittsburgh linebacker JAMES HARRISON, who posted eight tackles and three sacks in a 23-20 loss to Baltimore.

They left off a key forced fumble. Certainly a bit more important than the 1 pass defensed they listed for Harris. Seems like there's plenty of room to list the fact the Steelers lost, though. 

No other player had a mention of whether his team won or lost the game. It's also fair to point out reports have indicated Harrison is likely to be assessed a fine for some alleged infraction of the rules that wasn't penalized in that loss. 

It's reasonable to suggest the most valuable player over the course of a season probably should come from a team that wins more often than it loses (although some would dispute that as well). However, the best player on one side of the ball in any given game most certainly does not have to come from the winning team. Winning or losing has nothing to do with the fact Harrison had eight solo stops, three sacks, a forced fumble and six pressures. 

While individual accolades pale in comparison to team goals, it's the league's decision to give weekly individual awards, and should take that responsibility seriously, and within proper context. 

He made life miserable for Ravens QB Joe Flacco, which is his job. It's difficult to ignore the numbers (ProFootballFocus gave Harrison a 5.5 grade, which is among the highest they'll ever give to an outside linebacker), and because of that, it seems reasonable to question the credibility of Harris's award. 

For the record, Miami's Kevin Burnett had 12 tackles and 1.5 sacks in a winning effort. 

There's no point in demanding a reason in this foul-up, but if the league was upset with Harrison not being on the field the last four weeks (and the fact he missed four games because of a helmet-to-helmet hit that wasn't penalized or fined), it certainly doesn't seem like it. 

He comes back, completely whips Baltimore's offensive line, and plays second-fiddle (maybe more) to a player who put up far fewer production numbers. 

That, coupled with the preposterous $40,000 fine on FS Ryan Clark (and Harrison's alleged impending fine), the league is sending a clear Anti-Steelers message. 

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I have bit my tonuge for the last couple of years...

…not wanting to sound like a stereo-typical "whiny Steeler fan – as defined by Ross Tucker of SiriusXm radio – but these penalties, lack of flags, and fines, when looked at from the perspective you described above, certainly DOES lend credence to those whispered conspiracy theories the rest of the NFL fan base mocks Steeler Nation about.

I am hoping that soon there will come a time when a key defensive player on some other team is hit with similar flags and fines for a non-foul, that such a flag adversely impacts the outcome of the game for his team, and their fan base goes nuts. Maybe then there will be notice paid by the mainstream media, and maybe then, with the Steelers staying silent on the issue, there will be recognition that there is rotteness permeating the the leadership in the League office in New York. The moment a Steeler player, FO person, or fan pipes up, the issue is discredited.

The Steelers need to continue playing the Steeler way, which is the right way. When our players break a rule, tackle the wrong way, they deserve the flag/fine. But, if what I heard is correct, and Tomlin used Clark’s hit as a tool to show the correct way to tackle, yet he was still fined, then we can only hope the rest of the league wakes up and realizes what we’re witinessing direclty.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Nov 10, 2011 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

To be fair, Clark was penalized on the play, so Tomlin using it as an example of the right way to tackle doesn’t logically suggest Clark was in the right.

It’s a separate argument to say that play SHOULDN’T be penalized. My problem is Clark gets penalized and fined for that, but other players and teams are not, even though the league has established a staunch stance against alleged unnecessary roughness.

The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing within the league office.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 10, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, if Tomlin used it as an example of the RIGHT way to tackle...

…yet it isn’t the right way, then why is Tomlin mis-instructing his team? Or is the arguement that the rule, as it is written is unclear or wrong…now I’m confused.

United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Nov 10, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That's kind of the point I'm making

If you take the situation black-and-white, the play drew a flag, so Tomlin saying it was a good hit doesn’t appear to be the right thing to say.

However, my overall problem is the fact they cannot seem to pinpoint what’s legal and what isn’t. I have the rule book, I’ve posted what the rule says many times, yet, they don’t seem to be using that definition to determine penalties or fines.

The main reason everyone is so frustrated is because Goodell keeps it as a moving target. Because of that, Tomlin cannot be faulted for saying it’s a clean hit. One week it is, the next it isn’t.

Again, just looking at it black-and-white, Chris Kemoeatu is fined for a hands-to-the-face penalty he got in Week 6. Then, he gets penalized for it again in Week 7. No fine, no explanation as to which one is right and which one is wrong.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

So what is the motivation/reason for this inconsistency?

Is it lack of training on the part of the officials?

Is it stupidity of the officials?

Is it a coordination error?

Is it premeditated inconsistency?

Is it ‘details’ falling through the cracks?

Is it because the players don’t know the rules?

Is it because there is conflict at the NFL?

Is it lack of management?

Is it lack of time to review?

is it…..?

by IronJake on Nov 10, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote for

“premeditated inconsistency.” Every good manipulator knows that the best way to keep everyone on tenterhooks is to keep changing the rules without acknowledging that you are doing so. That way nobody knows where they stand, and they don’t have any silly ideas like fairness.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 10, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The shoot a little lower

May be if he hits the next guy in the knees (a legal hit) and destroys the poor guys career they will just admit that they are trying to stop the Steelers so that NE and GB can p[lay touch football in the Superbowl.

The refing in the whole whole game was a joke…personal fouls and how about pass interferance or illegal contact in the end zone that was not called. The “opps we forgot to reset the play clock” that cost us the field goal attempt at the end.

by 1969 NM Steeler on Nov 10, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

"forgot to reset the play clock"

did this actually happen, i was wondering when i saw the flag cuz it sure didnt seem like a full 25 seconds to me.

by jat2339 on Nov 11, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing within the league office.

Could be because both hands have something in them belonging to different people…..

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Nov 10, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

strange things going on there

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Nov 10, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

I am still wondering where the fine for McClain is...

Conspiracy theories be damned, it isn’t an even playing field…

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

A lack of fine on McClain doesn’t create a conspiracy theory, it confirms one.

This is getting out of hand. I don’t claim to be an expert on managerial philosophy, but the way all of this has been handled only proves Roger Goodell is not able or qualified to be in the position he’s in.

There’s no excuse why his customers are left in the dark on the rules behind his product. The lack of communication, floating standards and defiance of his own rule book are all factual and valid complaints, and a good leader addresses each of them, regardless of the negative reaction it will create.

This is probably because I’ve recently watched Ken Burns’ mini-series on it, but it seems very comparable to the way prohibition was started, and even more like how it was enforced. I’ve been saying since last year this is a powder keg waiting to explode, and a lack of centralized leadership doesn’t seem concerned with that in the least.

Pride cometh before the fall…

by Neal Coolong on Nov 10, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn Neal, very well put

I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that there isn’t a committee with at least one current and one former player that is in charge of these fines and that they aren’t forthcoming on the why with each one. The current setup is a dictatorship and this guy is racking up more miles than Chavez. There is no objectivity, no equality, and recourse (not real recourse).

For me it has really started to rob the game of it’s essence, in particular the essence of the style of game that our chosen team plays and that makes me sad. As awesome as it was to watch the “greatest show on turf”, that is not my style of football, the Steelers and Raven’s play my style of football and I want it to stay that way. I love a good defensive battle and LOVE to see big hits. I know this sounds a little contrary, but I also hate to see anyone injured – but understand it is part of the game and a risk of laying (one of the many reasons the players are making salaries that 95% of the population cannot even fathom). That being said, this is professional football, not the lingerie league, that is what the game is all about – how do you get rid of the hits and keep the game intact? T-ball is not Baseball.

Are we headed to the NFFL? National Flag Football League? They are diluting the product I love and I do not like the changes.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry - risk of Playing, not laying

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The Executive VP of Football Operations, Ray Anderson, is ultimately in charge of the discipline (behind Goodell). Anderson is one of about 4,000 lawyers employed by the league, and never played professional football. He was an agent before working for the league. Merton Hanks (former safety with the 49ers, I yelled at him before the Hall of Fame induction ceremony in 2010) is his right-hand man. They’re the ones doling out the fines.

If/when the players appeal, it goes to former coaches Art Shell and Ted Cottrell, both of whom were appointed jointly by the league and the NFLPA. The two sides equally pay their salaries.

So on paper, the league does involve former players in this process. That doesn’t change the fact the people initiating the fines are league employees, and the only time the player has representation from the union (50 percent, at least) is during the appeals process.

So in other words, you only get a jury of your peers after you’ve been convicted.

Another little bit that interests me is the fact all of the money the league generates from this go through NFL Charities, which doles it out to separate foundations for the health care of former players. So the league/owners won’t give up its share of the pie for realistic health care for the former players, but they’re more than willing to fine current ones in order to show the amount of money they give to former players each year.

Very shrewd…even better considering the league boasts on its web site they “give over $5 million annually” to those organizations.

They fined players for about 2/3rds of that last year. But there’s clearly no agenda at work here. Totally legitimate and fair process.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 10, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

But there’s clearly no agenda at work here. Totally legitimate and fair process.

Sums it all up right there…

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Did Troy P. get fined last week?

No… Why? He didn’t make any hits that warranted a fine. If your team knows that the NFL is watching you and making you the poster child for this then you have only one thing to do. Stop hitting other players in the head. It’s that simple. Don’t complain when you get fined for doing the same things you have been fined for doing.

The definition of stupidy is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

I agree with you 100% that Pitt has been singled out for this and is being unfairly villified. Many hits every week don’t get fines that are as bad as the ones I have seen players on your team make.

The Clark fine was justified, He hit the WR with the crown of his head to the head of another player. On purpose? No. But had he came in head up he could have avoided it.

Like the new rule or not: It is still the rules and the NFL will be around long after these players have retired.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Nov 10, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

thats the definition of insanity, as if we all haven’t heard that dumb as shit horse beat a million times.

by klompus on Nov 10, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone else is wrong except you guys.

Typical Steelers fans.

Boo hoo

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Nov 10, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If we're so terrible

then why are you trolling our blog?

by Riddlah. on Nov 10, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

mmmmm I was wondering the same thing!!!

he claims to be a baby Bengals fan but I’m starting to believe that he’s really just another closet steeler fan:)

I Feel a Sin Coming On....

by the duchess of steel on Nov 10, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

lol....wow

I don’t even uh…..uhm

that was deep dawg…..

by steeler fever on Nov 11, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Klomp

this is the best argument I have heard in quite a while. I am not a fan of the lack of reading comprehension that seems to be the norm.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Nov 11, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Reaction to the officiating.

A few years back when the Pirates were a hot item, a reporter (name not used) kept giving the Pirates bad publicity and bad mouthing them. One day he came to the ball park, and he was not allowed to enter, several games later, He appologized, and resumed his career in Pburgh. I believe if we treated some Officials in this manner, maybe, just maybe we would get a fair game called. We beat the Ravens, but it is hard to beat the team and the officials at the same time. Lets Go Steelers. We will see the Ravens in the Playoffs, if they make it, I know we will. Here we go Steelers, Here We GO!!!

by geo2504 on Nov 10, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

The Ravens rightly won the game. You’ll never see me writing about officials determining an entire 60 minute football game.

What this speaks to is something larger than even one fiercely competitive Ravens/Steelers battle. It goes to the credibility of the league – an entity that makes $9 billion basically tax free each year.

There’s only one ownership group that had the guts to stand up to this when they had the chance to do it, but not surprising, 31 other teams don’t mind the idea of the Steelers players getting the short end of the stick when it comes to league punishment.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 10, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

DIE HARD RAVENS FAN

I cant stand the Steelers. But Harrison was a beast Sunday night. I give much respect when its due. Harrison got robbed this week.

by larryallmighty on Nov 10, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly, this would be similar to them not giving it to Suggs after Week 1.

Thanks for stopping by, rival (respectful and with purpose) fans are always welcome here!

by Neal Coolong on Nov 10, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the support larry

appreciate the objectivity – would you mind stopping by NY and teaching a bit to Goodell?

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I think if we had won, Harrison would have gotten the nod

But while I think he was better, he didn’t make a play on that final drive. A sack there would have ended the game. In years past, Troy and James made plays on those drive. I don’ think they are done, but James needed to step it up there (or someone else did).

by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 10, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

I am getting tired of hearing about that drive

two runs on the previous offensive possession and that drive never takes place – the coaches blew this game, not the players.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Johnson catches that first pass

I was praying on that last 3rd down they would run to eat that last time out of the ravens… lots of lost opportunities, but lots of mistakes too – Hines catch / no penatly. You know that it was bad when Collingsworth make a pro-Steeler comment :-P

Still wonder what Ben was looking at on Sugg’s pic?

by 1969 NM Steeler on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Craig Wolfley,

Ben couldn’t see Suggs, because Marcus Gilbert was between him and Suggs. (Wolfley was sitting on the sidelines directly across from Ben, and therefore had essentially the same sightline as Ben did.) Gilbert was moving upfield to pick up the expected rush from Suggs, but instead of continuing upfield as he had been Suggs dropped back into coverage, and Gilbert just happened to obscure the view of that side of the field as Ben was throwing. Wolfley said that it was just a great play on Sugg’s part, rather than a mistake on Ben’s part.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 10, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but I am strictly talking about a gaff in the game plan

Incomplete passes stop the clock, there was no reason to pass in those situations – ESPECIALLY if you are going to punt anyway – doesn’t matter if you get stuffed at the line, because you are going to punt – but why would you risk stopping the clock? Mendenhall was getting yardage in chunks all game, we didn’t even try. Bad play calling pure and simple. We stopped the clock and gave them all the time they needed to make that drive. Coaches blew in in all three phases on the last offensive and then defensive possessions.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one was in favor of playing aggressively by throwing the ball

This was not the St Louis Rams run D. This was the Ravens 3rd ranked run D. The runs worked earlier because we had set it up by throwing the ball so effectively. The norm in that situation would be line up and grind out yardage. Instead we went against the grain and tried to put the game away with what got us to that point: the passing game. We just failed to execute. There was no way we could have gotten the 1st down running the ball, there was a better chance through the air.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin

by Steel in FL on Nov 10, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

There was no way we could have gotten the 1st down running the ball, there was a better chance through the air.

true we may not have gotten the first down but we would have ran off at least 1 minute and 20 seconds

by steelbit on Nov 11, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

But that IS the point

We didn’t need a first down, we needed to run off the clock. Furthermore, we could have lost 5 yards on each carry and still punted, but as the poster below noted – we would have run 1:20 off the clock… You still think they drive 92 yards without that 1:20? Not gonna say impossible, but very improbable.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 11, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying Harrison didn't deserve to win, he did

What I am saying is that the drive left a bad taste in the mouth of the voters, right or wrong.

And no, the coaches may have had a bad scheme, but LeBeau didn’t get beat deep when his job was to prevent a deep catch at all costs. The players blew that. I get that we shouldn’t have pressed, but at the end of the day, the players have to get it done. Defensive Coordinators don’t get enshrined in the Hall of Fame for making a great stop in the Super Bowl, but players do. The responsibility is on them.

I agree that it never should have gotten to that, but that is not an excuse to letting Joe Flacco drive 92 yards.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 10, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael, that was one play on a 92 yard drive

the defensive scheme was lacking, that is why they were that close to the endzone. Coaches blew this one.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 11, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

One play?

Smith had dropped the exact same pass just plays before. You are right that the scheme was wrong, but even in this scheme Ryan Clark blew his job twice: don’t let anyone get deeper than you.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 12, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

You are correct

but same premise still applies, had the coaches done things right, they never would have been on the 25 yard line. And it was Taylor who got beat on the other play to the other side. the players execute the scheme that the coaches call and they never should have been in that position to begin with, two running plays and 60+ seconds off the clock and the Ravens can’t drive the 92 yards.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

So because the Jets didn’t have a final drive on which Harris could have made a play, his five tackles and interception are worth more than three sacks and a forced fumble (which was recovered by Pittsburgh in the second half of a close game, and led to seven points and the lead)?

Not swallowin’ it, man…it makes no sense that one player is placed under a microscope when another one isn’t.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 10, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not saying he didn't deserve it, just giving a reason for why he didnt

Harrison had a better game, but I understand why the voters went with Harris. I disagree, but we lost and the players have to own that.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 10, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Writeup Neal, Harrison was robbed

He was a force in that game coming off of a serious injury and having been unable to play for 4 weeks. Doesn’t get much more impressive – and you are 100% correct that something stinks with the omission of the strip sack for a fumble recovered by his team, yet the team loss is mentioned – that stinks to high heaven.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Even more impressive is

the fact that the reason he missed the previous 4 games was due to a H2H hit that was hard enough to break his orbital bone. Not once, that I have heard anyway, has Deebo complained about that his being illegal. He may have, but where I live i have not herd anything. Maybe, hopefully, he has stored that hate from that hit not being flagged, and has been reading Mechem’s poasts, and will take it out on opposing offenses the remainder of the season.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Nov 10, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Not once, that I have heard anyway, has Deebo complained about that his being illegal

Nope. To the contrary, Harrison said (from his hospital bed) that he hoped the player wasn’t fined. He wasn’t, either, in probably the only instance we’ll ever see of the league office viewing something the same way as Harrison.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 10, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

For a long time

there has been talk of doing something about this.

I think a couple of reasonable suggestions have been floated by various parties (having players have a greater say or appeal in the fines process etc.). More to the point, its pretty clear that the current system of fines and penalties is badly broken and in need of fixing.

I think it could be helpful to organize and present some sort of public petition to Goodell. It could start by using the organizing power of SBNation and the blogosphere. It could offer some solutions but also just highlight the problem.

I think football fans contacting the commissioner on behalf of players and the integrity of the game makes a good story that could get picked up by the press. It shows fan solidarity and support for the players in a way the extends far beyond our normal rooting interest. If it gets a little press it could be used to embarrass Goodell into listening to his customers – on this issue, and down the road one or two of the other issues we care about.

Just a thought.

by SteelerBuddha on Nov 10, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

I'll sign it, but I am not versed in the legality enough to draft it - Homer where you at?

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 10, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oakland Raiders of the 2000's

First of all, that Jet LB is horrendous. I have called for his cutting 10 times. Second, every Steeler fan and writer should step back and try to look at them from a 3rd person observation. The Bradshaw, Noll and Swann days are over. The Steelers have become this generations’ Oakland Raiders, that’s all there is to it. Don’t think their way, results and actions haven’t rubbed the refs, league office, fellow players and opposition writers & fans wrong. If they were 3 & 13 nobody would care, but they’re a dynastic franchise. They don’t really have down years, just like the Raiders of the 60, 70s and 80s, and people instinctively hate teams that are not only outstanding, but win with some bad human beings and often thru acts from On High on the field. There are the inflaming offseason comments by Mendenhall and James Harrison, Bens allegations, Troy P trying to twist the head off of everybody’s favorite—the “little white guy,” Wes Welker, while in the full throes of a tackle. There are the fabled, annual plays that should have either slowed down their momentum or even defeated them (see: Bill receiver Steve Johnson a year ago and Packer receivers dropping a dozen passes; the Colts stand in QB missing wide open Garcon, Raven receiver the other night before the successful one; the NE TE not getting the TD call and Belichick not using one of his 30 available time outs to look at it. The list goes on. And on. No other team of this generation is anything like them. Its my belief that the refs overlooked the offensive pass interference on the winning Ravens TD grab. The Steeler logo should be that of the old California Angels of Rod Carew years—-a halo. James Harrison is clearly out of his f’ng mind, ala Dennis Rodman, so there’s nothing you can do about a guy like that, but after he retires and the Rooney sons take over, the franchise should go into a character rebuild mode. After taking that picture with the sub machine guns and slandering the commissioner, James Harrison is the LAST GUY the league wants to bestow an award upon. It’s naive’ to think otherwise. End of day, the NFL is Show Business. Image and Perception are everything. It’s not the rap music world. Everyone is well instructed to just play hard and toe the line. Follow those simple rules and you’ll get rich…opposed to having to work in a car wash, where James Harrison would be without the National Football League, and Rothlisberger too.

by newmann_ on Nov 10, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

David Harris horrendous?

I think you have mistaken this site for Yahoo sports.

anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 10, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

newmann is that you???

you are as clear as a pane of glass…..now please remove your head from your a$$ before you smother yourself.

I Feel a Sin Coming On....

by the duchess of steel on Nov 10, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

ah duchess

lol…….you have such a way with words : )

by steeler fever on Nov 10, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice reference

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 11, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

There are the fabled, annual plays that should have either slowed down their momentum or even defeated them

I am quite confused by your list of plays that follows. How exactly can these be blamed on the Steelers? If you’re saying that God manipulates the outcome, then I guess we don’t really need to worry about the refs and the league office.

As to the team being staffed with “bad human beings,” that’s a rather blanket statement, don’t you think? Every team, and I do mean every team, has its “bad boys,” and a couple of them from other franchises are currently awaiting trial or sentencing for proven crimes. The Steelers have a great many players who are never in trouble, work in the community, and are exemplary citizens. Many of the players in that category are some of the more visible ones. This franchise is not run in such a way as to encourage poor behavior, although they can’t always prevent it. Some other teams seem to take a more laissez faire attitude towards these things.

But to return to your contention, it seems that what you are saying in effect is that “the refs, league office, fellow players and opposition writers & fans” are all jealous of our franchise and looking for any way they can to drag them down. You may be correct to a certain extent. It is unfortunately a common human trait to try to drag down people that you perceive as better, or luckier, than you. The opinions of players from other teams, opposition writers, and fans aren’t really that big of a deal, though, as their bias is plain.

But if you are saying on the other hand that the refs and league officials “hate” the Steelers and are trying to alter the outcome of games, that’s an entirely different matter. Obviously, if it could be proven it would be a scandal of massive proportions. That is a much more serious accusation than the league office being more inclined to fine marginal infractions if they are committed by a Steeler.

As to the refs, much as I hate to say it, the Steelers have been on the favorable side of some questionable calls as well as the wrong side, and even may have won a close game or two as a result. I expect that it evens out over the long haul. It is possible that one of the factors in Sunday’s loss was a few non-calls or a few over-zealous ones. But as Mike Tomlin likes to say, the team shouldn’t have put themselves in a position where those calls matter anyhow.

And if James Harrison misses out on a few league honors, I’m not sure he cares. He probably should have gotten DPOY last year rather than Troy, but I’m guessing there was no way the league was going to give that to the Steelers’ bad boy.

I was mystified by your putting Troy in that category, BTW, because while he’s a ferocious player, off the field he’s mild mannered to a fault, visits sick kids in the hospital every week with no fanfare, contribues to and even actively works for various charities, and so on. If you think that the league doesn’t want Troy as part of the face of it you’re nuts.

And to get to the bottom line, literally, successful franchises generate a lot of income for the league. Unsuccessful ones, not so much. (Jacksonville, anyone?) However the league officials and refs may feel privately, it’s hard to see that they really want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. And if they really want to sanitize the image of the NFL, they are going to have to remove an awful lot of players from an awful lot of teams…

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 10, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

we really really really need the one day waiting period thing (can you go longer?)

all this week, one person after another just like Newmann
They join, two minutes later they make their one and only comment, and leave.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 11, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Rebuttal Momma

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 11, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

First off......the Steelers organization is well known as the classiest in the league

Period…….End of discussion!

Just so you know, whoever you are! We like our players to be role models off the field and mean, nasty beasts on the field. And by the way, this way of running our organziation has led to more Championships since the merger than any other franchise. Also, it has led us to having one of the largest and probably the best well represented fanbase in the country.

I could care less if Troy or James wins the DPOY award again. But just so you know, they have won it 2 of the last 4 yrs.

Or as the duchess of steel said………….pull your head outta your ass.

You don’t wanna go over the middle and you sure as hell don’t wanna try to run up the middle OR if you do, you gonna feel the PAIN! Thats football!

by steeler fever on Nov 10, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunlap Stats

3 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 1 PD

Not gonna argue who deserves the head nod just getting Dunlap’s stats straight.

by TCfromDubVee on Nov 10, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

I fear for the steelers this week

I gotta bad feeling.

by IronJake on Nov 10, 2011 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

why???

are your bad feelings usually right???

I so hope NOT!

I Feel a Sin Coming On....

by the duchess of steel on Nov 10, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Harrison robbed....

I guess he could make up for his loss by ripping off young Daltons head and throwing it at the Bungles bench!

Just an option : )

by steeler fever on Nov 10, 2011 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty obvious

if the forced fumble wasn’t mentioned and the loss was the only game outcome mentioned among the candidates.

by TorchM on Nov 10, 2011 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

I think it could be helpful to organize and present some sort of public petition to Goodell. It could start by using the organizing power of SBNation and the blogosphere. It could offer some solutions but also just highlight the problem.

by Taylor Webber on Nov 11, 2011 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

lol

there are no limits to your douche-baggery are there?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 12, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

when you grow up, you'll understand, don't worry

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by FrankWyt on Nov 12, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope

I’ll just try to get someone to dump some on my coach if we win a week 10 game
all winners do that.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

and...oooooh what's that?

more excuses? more whining?
sounds like a ratbird to me
good luck with Sea…you’ll need it

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Ed reed got robbed of a Damn Pound Of Yeyo?

someone should look into that, that is worth a lot of money on the street.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  


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