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Unlikely Role Playing Takes Center Stage in Steelers 24-17 Win Over Bengals

Has there been a more reliable Steeler than Heath Miller over the course of his career? To me, he's always been like John Wayne in cleats. If you need him for something, he's there.

Whenever No. 83 catches a pass--either at home or on the road--you always hear thousands of Steelers fans scream "Heath!" in unison; in fact, in years past, when former Steelers tight end Matt Spaeth caught a pass, the fans would all yell "Heath!" in unison.

Miller is so dependable and good at what he does, I'm hard-pressed to remember anyone ever saying anything bad about the guy.

Like the rest of us, however, Heath is a human being, and, believe it or not, he sometimes makes mistakes. They are very rare, but when they happen, they tend to stand out.

Take that 2009 game in Kansas City, for instance, when Miller let a perfectly thrown football clang off his hands and get intercepted. The Steelers were up by ten-points over a very poor Chiefs' team, but the mistake by Miller allowed Kansas City to get back in the game, and Pittsburgh went on to suffer a critical overtime loss.

Then there was that Halloween match-up in the Superdome against the Saints last year. The Steelers had been trailing by ten-points heading into the 4th quarter, but they managed to get back into the game and were only losing 13-10 with just under seven-minutes remaining when Ben Roethlisberger hit Heath Miller with what looked to be a momentum-grabbing reception. There was Heath in Saints territory, fighting and scratching for all the yards he could gain on the play, when suddenly, the ball was knocked from his grasps, and the Saints recovered his rare fumble. The mistake proved costly as the Steelers went on to lose the game, and the fans grudgingly pointed to Heath's mistake as one of the pivotal turning-points.

But we're talking about two mistakes over the course of  a seven-year career. I mean, I'm sure Heath Miller has made some other mistakes over the years, but we'd all have a pretty hard time trying to remember them.

That brings us to Sunday's game against the Bengals. There were the Steelers leading 14-7 in the second quarter. Pittsburgh's offense looked almost flawless in scoring touchdowns on its first two possessions. Heath Miller was typically reliable as he helped set-up the second touchdown when he held onto a big third down pass near the goal line after taking a pretty vicious shot by a Bengals' defender.

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On the team's third possession, Roethlisberger looked to keep the offensive momentum going, and who did he turn to? Mr. Reliable, Heath Miller, with a pass out in the flat. Only problem was, Miller bobbled the football twice, and it was intercepted by Leon Hall. Cincinnati eventually turned the gift into a field goal and were only trailing, 14-10.

But, hey, it was Ok. Heath just wanted to get his rare mistake out of the way before the playoffs started.

The Steelers shrugged off the turnover and, once again, had the ball in great scoring position after a very impressive drive near the end of the first half.

Just after the two-minute warning, Big Ben hit a wide-open Jerricho Cotchery with what looked to be his second touchdown catch of the half. The Steelers would be up 21-10 going into halftime, baby! I had already jumped out of my seat and was over at my computer typing a pretty witty comment for the BTSC game day thread when I looked over at my television set to see the referee calling number 83 for offensive pass interference.

Heath Miller, again?

The Steelers eventually had to settle for a field goal, and thanks to those two miscues by Miller, Pittsburgh went into the half only leading by a touchdown in a game they were dominating early-on.

Did William Gay steal Heath Miller's uniform or something?

Speaking of whom, has a Pittsburgh Steeler been on the receiving end of more criticism than number 22 over the past few years? I know what you're going to say, but Bruce Arians doesn't have a jersey.

Gay was named a starter in 2009 after Bryant Mcfadden left via free agency, and he spent the entire season making Steelers fans long for the days of Chad Scott.

Even last year, with Mcfadden back as a starter, Gay couldn't escape the wrath of the fans, even as the nickel corner. There was that game against the Patriots, of course, and then the Super Bowl loss in-which Gay was tortured by Aaron Rodgers.

How many times would William Gay be exposed before the Steelers finally cut ties with him? Gay was a free agent this offseason, and the fans couldn't wait to see him sign with another team. But, shockingly, William Gay re-signed with Pittsburgh before the 2011 season and was back to give us ulcers, once again.

Surprisingly, however, Gay was pretty good in pass-coverage over the first eight games. He wasn't spectacular, but he was better than ever, as was the rest of the Steelers secondary.

But then came that game last week where the Ravens were 14 of 21 on 3rd down. William Gay was, once again, the worst cornerback since the days of Dewayne Washington and was the guy who was covering Torrey Smith on his game-winning touchdown catch with eight-seconds left.

But that was last week. Let's get back to the Cincinnati game and Heath Miller being a goat. After the two teams traded touchdowns in the third quarter, the Bengals were still only trailing by a touchdown, 24-17, in the final period.

Poor Heath Miller. The man apparently just isn't allowed to make any mistakes. His two blunders accounted for basically a seven-point shift in the scoring. Even if he had only made his annual lone mistake, the Steelers would have been up by two-scores and in fairly decent shape.

I was starting to get worried. Bengals rookie quarterback Andy Dalton was gaining more confidence with each quick completion, and it looked as if he might just lead the up-and-coming Bengals on an impressive late touchdown drive to tie the game. I mean, it's not like the Steelers were confusing the young signal-caller, and where was the pressure? And forget about turnovers. The Steelers only had four take aways in their first nine games.

The Steelers needed a hero to emerge on the defensive side of the ball. Someone had to step-up, and not only save Heath Miller from being afraid to ever make another mistake again the rest of his career, but keep the team from suffering a second-straight heartbreaking loss to a division rival.

Would it be Troy Polamalu? He wasn't having one of his better days in pass-coverage and teamed-up with Ryan Clark to misplay a 36-yard touchdown pass from Dalton to A.J. Green in the first half that got Cincinnati back in the game after the Steelers had built an early 14-0 lead.

James Harrison would have been a good candidate to save the day, but he was getting mauled the entire game, and the officials were too busy looking the other way.

I was just about ready to hop on my computer and make some scathing remarks about Heath Miller costing the Steelers the game, when out of nowhere, William Gay road in on a white horse and saved the day, not once, but twice.

Gay deflected a pass that was intercepted by Lawrence Timmons at the Pittsburgh 33 yardline on the Bengals' penultimate drive.

And then on Cincinnati's last drive, when they appeared to be on the cusp of scoring the game-tying touchdown with less than three-minutes remaining, Gay read Dalton perfectly and intercepted his pass at the Steelers 19-yard line, effectively ending the game and giving the Steelers a much-needed victory.

So, in a year in-which the Steelers defense seems to be allergic to the football, the beleaguered William Gay was largely responsible for two Steelers' take aways in the same quarter.

And, by doing so, Gay helped keep Heath Miller from having to wear the goat horns for one of the few times in his spectacular career.

I'm sure in the coming weeks and months, Heath Miller will go back to being his old, reliable self, and William Gay will go back to playing the worst pass-coverage since Harvey Clayton, but for a week, at least, Gay gets to wear the white hat.

Thank you, Big Play Willie Gay.

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I love Heath, but that was brutal

Plus, am I the only one who thinks that if last week David Johnson is replaced by Saunders we win that game?

Saunders looked like a running back with that juke. I think he has a bright future and I hope he sees more playing time.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 13, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

i like johnson for what he is

but i was kinda taken aback by how big he is. at that weight he’s not going to do a thing after the catch.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 13, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson does look Pudgy

It is funny, I didn’t think much of it, but now that you say it, it makes sense. I think Johnson is a good player for what he is, a 7th round draft pick.

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 13, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s put it into context here…Johnson, like Hombre mentioned, was a seventh-round draft pick, mostly because of his build. He doesn’t fit a quote-unquote important position.

Saunders is every bit as athletic (ok, possibly not EVERY bit) as Cincinnati’s Jermaine Gresham, but “character” issues kept him out of the draft. But Saunders is raw, not a whole lot different than Johnson was. Is.

Saunders is doing some good things. He’s getting there, and I’m sure he’ll take over Johnson’s starting job eventually, but it’s not going to be next week. Johnson’s role is not that of a pass catcher. He’s a blocker. That’s what the 2 TE does in the Steelers offense. Until Saunders gets to that point, though, Johnson isn’t going anywhere.

There are plenty of weapons on this offense already.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

well

No one expects Johnson to be a feature TE, but he’s gained 15-20 pounds since being drafted. He’s too heavy right now.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 14, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Why get rid of Johnson

I can see plenty of work for 3 TEs in this offence. I don’t know what Saunders speed is like but if it is even decent I could see him in a TE/WR role much like the Pats are running. I can even see the Steelers picking up another TE if a Saunders level player falls to the late rounds again.

(who knew that BAs obsession with TEs wasn’t dementia?)

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't dislike Johnson for what he is

But he has no business being a pass-catching TE. Let him block, but put Saunders in to catch.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 14, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

DJ made some nice blocks today.

Hopefully next year BA will be retired and the Steelers will have a FB.

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by SNW on Nov 14, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Johnson is a good blocking TE and lead blocking FB, you don’t expect catches from him and when he does get the ball its a dump pass to just get the ball out of Ben’s hand when under pressure.

For what Johnson is asked to do he does just fine.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Nov 14, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

So would you rather have

David Johnson, or Vonta Leach? Because at the end of the day, if you are going to have a TE act as the fullback, you expect him to be able to catch.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got a post going up at 11:30 that you'll like

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by John Stephens on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

was it really necessary

to insult Willie Gay so many times?

Normally I enjoy your posts but in this one, you almost say more bad things about him than good things.

He was a hero today. Give him a break.

by dogthebus on Nov 13, 2011 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

I love when a maligned player turns it around and has a great game

I hope we see many more games like that from Gay. It is so much better seeing a player succeed than fail. There have been a lot of players on the Steelers (including at least one coach) who have been doing that this season.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice work

Especially recalling all the cornerbacks of old!

by johannessmythe on Nov 13, 2011 9:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Don't you mean...

EXCEPT FOR recalling all the cornerbacks of old? ;-)

by steeldawg on Nov 14, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work

Especially recalling all the cornerbacks of old!

by johannessmythe on Nov 13, 2011 9:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Heath always gets a pass from me (excuse the pun)

and the PI was a bad call.

Good on you to point out Gay’s participation on Timmons’ INT

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by Twell on Nov 13, 2011 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

Tomlin said it was the correct call

but he may think differently after he sees the game film (I know they don’t use film but I am old and fixed in some of my ways).

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

agree with this

that was a craptacular call.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

computer is havind

a spaz attack

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it wasn’t outrageous, if the refs had held their flags I don’t think you would have been hearing it was a bad no-call.

Yeah it will always be film to me too….just like bands still make albums but CDs are going away even ;)

But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose

by Twell on Nov 15, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Great news

cant believe the ravens lost today. Looks like we still got a good chance to win the AFC North and wrap up a first round bye in the playoffs. Antonio Brown is such a baller. I think Wallace is really opening things up for Brown, cause Wallace is such a dangerous deep threat.

by blitzzburgh on Nov 13, 2011 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

Wait till Sanders is back..i think Brown has solidified his position on the team..hes a hog..the new 3rd down possesion receiver..sorry Hines we love u to death but ya starter days are numberd if not over..and with Jerico finally getting his feet wet and Wallace doin his thing its goin to be a long game for the opposing defences.BROWN IS A RISEING STAR IN THE MAKEING

by Rick Harmon on Nov 15, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Not much being discussed on Hines, or maybe I just haven't read everything yet

I kept wondering if he hurt himself on that 10 yard bubble screen but saw where someone tweeted he’s been moved down on the depth chart!?

by Majabe on Nov 13, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Coach said in his press conference that it was a matchup decision

I’m paraphrasing, but he said that Ward was healthy but they felt Cotchery was the right personnel for today, and that moving forward there would be times when Hines was the guy they use more, but not always. Could be Tomlin-speak for being moved down the depth chart, but he was clear that he wasn’t hurt.

by s1rude on Nov 13, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ward was interviewed on the local Steelers post-game program on KDKA.

He basically said that he was OK but that the other WRs were doing fine and, therefore, he wasn’t really needed today. Hines was very upbeat about the win.

by Billy52 on Nov 13, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Hines......... a pro's pro til the end.

Enjoy em while ya got em. We can count on him making a few more big catches for us this year!

by steeler fever on Nov 13, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hines ....

He supposedly had a “stinger” from the illegal Lewis hit. In reality, he had an “ear ringer” from a concussion.

He did not play, I suspect, because of some lingering problems with the concussion. I also suspect that he is going to keep it quiet to avoid missing games after the bye.

Just my take.

by BuccoFan21 on Nov 14, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hines did

play, just not a lot

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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He playd..read Tomlins post game interview..he gave his reasons why Ward wasent used as normal..basicly hes being replaced,even if Tomlins not sayin it directly..its time, Brown,Cotchery,Sanders and Wallace are the real deal.Hines will be a Hall OF Famer..1st ballot,and he will always be a professional about his role on the team and continue to mentor the youngsters.

by Rick Harmon on Nov 15, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Basically

If the guy who fills in for you does the job just as well or better, you are going to wait for an opening before you get back in the rotation. Cotchery is a damn good receiver who had to wait for his chance behind Hines. Now Cotch is getting some playing time which will improve his chemistry with Ben and strengthen the team in the long term. I am glad we have both of them.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Heath Miller

Great write up Tony. I too was concerned about the turnover. I immediately thought back to the KC Game in ’09.

But the Steelers didn’t blink. The defense did a great job of holding them to a field goal, and of course took control of the game in the 4th quarter.

It was nice to say Gay bounce back after a rough week.

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 13, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Bengals fan here,

Just wanted to say good game. You guys played damned hard and earned the win. Big Ben took about 5 sacks and 13 QB Hits, and it barely fazed him. Amazing.

by redrifle14 on Nov 13, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

he is a tough guy

you guys are a damn good team man..you should need to wear shades
that was a damn good game (obviously probably better for me than you)
but wow, just wow. Dalton is the real deal
Sorry to hear about Hall, and I hope Green is gonna be ok

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Dalton does look good

I think it is partly the coaches keeping within his limits but I think he is going to be a good one. As long as he keeps his head on his shoulders and keeps growing as a player and person, he can go a long way. Green is a good one as well and the same applies for him.

It seemed like the Bengals have enough talent (or almost enough). It is just a matter of experience, hard work and good coaching… oh and keeping the ownership out of the country.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I definitely think it's a good idea for them to deport Mike Brown.

The less involved he is in the Bengals’ operations, the better.

by Billy52 on Nov 14, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to say

That I was most impressed with how he was throwing the ball away, he didn’t take any unnecessary risks, if his decision making is that good as a rookie, he will have a long and fruitful career.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the positive post

your guys did great. NFL network summed it up best for me when they said “Bengals needed to find out if they could hang with the big boys, and they did”.

I’m always proud when people on fan sites show respect to one another.

See you in a few weeks. :-)

by BoiseSteeler on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, in case you are too young to get my stupid reference

“you should need to wear shades” refers to an 80’s song (i think) that goes “my future’s so bright…i gotta wear shades”….so there ya go

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, thanks

We had zero answers for Brown all day. He blew me away with those clutch catches. Gay is Pro-Bowl material. Too bad you guys cant play a 3rd game against Ravens. What is the deal with them? Seahawks, Jags, Titans, we even managed to beat all of these teams by atleast 10 pts.

by redrifle14 on Nov 13, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That is first time

anyone tried to link the words William Gay and pro-bowl. As the post suggests he has mostly played the role of role-player and goat over his career. This was a huge game for him, and it would be lovely to see the secondary follow his lead (I can’t even believe I wrote that) and make more plays on the ball. Sadly Ike Taylor can’t catch, as you may have noticed today.

What were we talking about?

Oh yeah, great game by Dalton, you guys played it close even without a bunch of your studs. Do me a favor and put a hurting on the Ravens for us. Today we toast the Seahawks!

by SteelerBuddha on Nov 13, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I was literally copy/pasting that line, and about to type the same thing. That just floored me.

Red, great sentiment. He’s not a Pro Bowl player.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone did it a week or two ago too

WTF is going on?

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by John Stephens on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Brown is a pimp

i was trying to explain that to some of the CJ members but they weren’t having it.
he just keeps getting better and better every game.
Unfortunately for you, you didn’t get to see the Browny Wiggle but oh well, maybe next game

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know where u guys get your wr's from

But with Battle and Sanders out I thought that would atleast slow down your recieving corps. Man was I wrong. I thought Taylor looked good. Hopefully we can dig up a CB for the Ravens game somewhere. We are super thin in our secondary.

by redrifle14 on Nov 13, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

They look at skill, not just size. We don’t all get to draft A.J. Green, ya know…

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the “big” Steelers receivers are currently either struggling with an even more depleted Patriots secondary the Steelers shredded a few weeks ago, or they’re watching the game at home like I am.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Saunders may be our big receiver of the future

I have high hopes for him.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Gay is Pro-Bowl calibre...........

Wait, where am I? Am I still on Earth?!? Lol that’s the first time anyone ever put those two words in the same sentence over here. In any case Bengals are gonna be a great worry for us for a long time to come..
And oh, I do love William Gay’s play this season..even if you include the Ravens week play, he’s still had a great season.

by stoco40 on Nov 14, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

People were down on him last week but he has really been coming on this year. I don’t see him as Pro-Bowl but it is nice to hear comments like that.

Like our receivers, we have young CBs coming up behind Gay and Taylor. Lewis, Allen and Brown are all showing potential and it may be a matter of time before our CBs are considered as good as our current bunch of WRs.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

and though Gay isn’t a pro-bowler, he played like one yesteray

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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Brown is coming on

He works hard and deserves the success but he also benefits from having Wallace to draw the heat and for having Sanders constantly challenging him for game time/looks. Sanders may be as good and maybe even better than Brown (If he can get and stay healthy).

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Brown is a dangerous cat

he is a big play waiting to happen, like a hair trigger, never know when he is gonna go of – if it weren’t for very tight coverage on him, it could have been much much worse, credit to your DB’s…

Gay is a work in progress, he has blossomed under our fabulous offseason pickup of DB coach Carnell Lake – all of the DB’s are significantly better this year, Gay still has a ways to go, be he is much improved.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

3rd game

There wil be a 3rd Raven vs Steeler game..in the playoffs when it really counts,,but i gota laugh at ya mention of Gay bein “pro bowl material” not even close..but he did come up with they plays no one else on the team seemd to make, including Troy and Clark so ill give him his props for now

by Rick Harmon on Nov 15, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I was all about your guys's front seven

And the pass rush in particular. I was very impressed with everything I saw.

And I was still overwhelmed. And freakin Dunlap didn’t even play! I’m convinced today Cincinnati has the brightest future of any team in the NFL. I feel justified in that watching Detroit continue to completely melt down today (teams take on the personalities of their head coaches….).

Fear the Bengals. Fear!

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Check back with me in two years. That group of LBs rivals only Pittsburgh’s, and I’m not sure if you noticed the amount of pressure they put on Roethlisberger…and most of those dudes are like 23. Their best guy wasn’t even in there!

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You never know when a young and talented team will put it all together, but somtimes when they do, it's pretty scary.

And how with that whole Carson Palmer deal that Brown pulled off, they might get even more young talent, and suddenly, the organization doesn’t seem so inept. Maybe they can sign TO again. That’ll slow their progress.

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 13, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter

they have had talent before and they just can’t build consistency. It starts with the owner, FO and coaching. They can have all the talent in the world and until they correct the problems at the top they will never be a consistent performer.

They look good right now, but they aren’t called the bungles for nothing. This isn’t hate and I would imagine many in their own fanbase would agree.

by steeler fever on Nov 13, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

They replaced the non-leader Carson Palmer and the entertainer-first Chad Ochocinco with the steady-and-heady Andy Dalton and the lethal A.J. Green.

They’re a selfless group of defenders with a boatload of talent (regardless of past transgressions).

They may not have the exact talent they had six years ago, but they’ve got a helluva lot more of what matters. Guts. They’re not all hype, they’re much more of a team than they used to be.

Dalton’s 40 times the leader Palmer is/was. You can just tell by watching him. It’s the same trait Ben has.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems WAY too early to predict an outcome.

Maybe you are right?

It takes more than talent to make a good team. A few wins against a low level of competition means nothing in the big picture of winning games in the playoffs.

Look at KC last year.

 Everybody thought they were moving in the right direction. NO, they just had an easy schedule, sorta like the Bengals and the AFC North has this year. Only tough team we face in the NFC is the 49ers and didn’t they already beat the Bengals?

If I was a Bengals fan I wouldn’t be getting my hopes up. Ah who the Hell am I kidding………Sure I would : )

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

KC’s coach sucks. That’s their problem.

Most of what I spoke of wasn’t about talent. It’s about what Cincy did not have in the Palmer Era. Guts. Selflessness.

I’m not gonna bet my mortgage on it, but from what I saw this week watching their past games and from what I saw today, I see a very tough team that isn’t there this year, but will be very soon.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm I heard that in the past

I watch them play together for another year before we anoint them team of the future. I heard that before with past Bengal teams but it never comes to furition.

They don’t call them the Bunfals for nothing.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 14, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, I'm sorry

but i disagree with you about Palmer. he was a leader until he couldn’t take anymore…think about what was around him?
Henry (rip) Owens? Ocho? it was a circus there…
i think if anything, Palmer finally putting his foot down was a turning point in Cincy…and it worked out for both

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll go to the mattresses over this one, Frank.

Leaders lead! He left! And he left midway through last season, and he was performing horrendously, and his team needed him to step up.

I don’t care the circumstances that surround you, you signed a contract to play for 10s of millions of dollars, you play regardless of your personal feelings. You don’t just get to take your ball and go home.

I’ve had a serious problem with Palmer since the SI story after the knee injury. It’s not cuz he said he hated Pittsburgh or any other veiled shot he tried to take at the champs, but the fact Palmer was in his car, his wife driving him home, IN THE MIDDLE OF A PLAYOFF GAME.

That’s not a leader. There is nothing anyone will ever tell me to convince me he couldn’t get a Vicodin and at least stay in the locker room.

Blame the organization as much as you want, but a franchise guy stays there until the end of the game, win or lose. Palmer decided to get a head start on feeling sorry for himself.

Not a leader.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait a minute? how did he leave?

he did what he could for one last time..then said “i don’t want to play for your abomination of a franchise”

he gave everything he had…
No leader on earth can lead head cases like the three guys i mentioned..
you noticed what happens to people like that around leaders?
they disappear…ask ocho

and the contract thing…f that….owners cancel contracts all the time
i will never ever use “you signed a contract, honor it” in football, because it doesn’t work both ways.

And about leaving…have you ever gotten your knee f’ed up like that before? I haven’t, but i imagine it sucks. What is him being there going to do?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

No leader on earth can lead head cases like the three guys i mentioned..

If the leader said that kind of garbage wasn’t tolerated, it wouldn’t happen. And yet, it still did. I don’t see Ochocinco effing around in New England, and look at the way they righted their ship tonight. That’s because Tom Brady is the unquestioned leader of that team. I guaran-damn-tee you he would not have left the stadium during a playoff game.

and the contract thing…f that….owners cancel contracts all the time

No, they don’t, actually. They buy them out. It may seem semantic, but it’s not. Either way, Palmer said flat-out I’m not going to play if I have to play with the team I made a commitment to. I flat-out refuse to think – and certainly in wake of the team’s success this season – Palmer had more to do with the failure of that team over the past few years than what the media want to believe. After all, he’s not Ochocinco, so it can’t be the Gilded Hero Carson Palmer, and his 23 interceptions!

And about leaving…have you ever gotten your knee f’ed up like that before? I haven’t, but i imagine it sucks. What is him being there going to do?

Frank, I’m sorry man, but if you have to ask why he needs to be there, you don’t understand what leadership is.

Maybe, perhaps, he’s the main guy of the team. Maybe he can accept the fact he cannot play, but still needs to do something to help his team. Maybe if he’s there, his insane wide receiver doesn’t start swinging on his head coach. Complete chaos takes over that locker room at halftime, because their leader isn’t there. If he’s there, at the very least, he can address the team, try to get them back into a winning frame of mind.

Nope. Pittsburgh beat the tar out of them throughout the second half. Not Palmer’s fault, but a leader knows guys need him. What did Palmer do when his team REALLY needed him? He left. Palmer asked himself, “if I can’t play, why do I need to be here?”

Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, they’re going to find some kind of way to contribute to the team, regardless of the pain they’re in.

It doesn’t have a damn thing to do with ME or MY KNEE. It’s about the team. That’s what Palmer doesn’t understand, and never will, because he’s a prima donna. He’s a selfish player, and he never had team success. Cripes, the only thing Palmer won was the freakin Orange Bowl.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well

all i have for that is…Brady is the unquestioned leader, because he has the support of his bosses, meaning people can’t go around him
I don’t think buyouts happen for every contract

We have no idea whether or not Brady would have left
and i can tell you this..if you remember correctly. Brady was being questioned BIG TIME because instead of being with the team in -08, he chose to stay in California.
Hypotheticals don’t mean much.
Brady cares about himself. The team success seems incidental
Yes…he always says the right thing…that’s the Pats way

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

Yes, Brady didn’t work out with the team that off-season.

As for the contracts, yes, technically, not every one will be bought out. The large ones, like Palmer’s, certain have a buyout though. The contract says early termination results in x amount of dollars going to the player. That’s the guaranteed money they speak of. I’m not saying this to get into an argument over the economic structure of the league, I just mean it’s not as if the entire league is all-or-nothing.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Brady being with the team that year

could have meant 12-4 or 13-3 instead of 11-5..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys are arguing

With a set of knowns and unknowns. It’s pure speculation as to what went on in the bengals organization, locker room, between players and management, and how that affected the play on the field.

I don’t know what kind of leader C. Palmer was, because I wasn’t on the team. I could think of at least five scenarios that would justify him leaving the team.

Saying he quit on his team and isn’t a leader is for internet blog and mainstream media fodder intended to keep the controversy going, getting people to click and watch.

by IronJake on Nov 14, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

this IS an intenet blog

and we are debating, not arguing.
because it’s fun!

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

give me five minutes to walk downstairs and use the restroom,

i will try to adjust your other points…because i want to “take this to the mattress” even though i’m not familiar with the phrase
at first i thought you meant we would fight, then have make up sex….and since you’re a dude..I’m not down with that

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Going to the mattresses is a phrase from The Godfather. When the Corleone family would go to war with other mobs, they all stayed together in one house for the sake of protection. They had a bunch of individual mattresses there, so if they were going to war, they said “we’re going to the mattresses.”

Nothing sexual was intended, I promise you.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

ok..here we go

The point is..leadership is not something you can easily define.
Saying it’s not ok to just say “fugg it” is ok..but come on..if year after year you deal with the same b.s…no matter what…it gets to you.
He signed that contract under the assumption that Brown would actually try to make things different. They convinced him of it. They failed him.
Instead they went right back to signing every convict they could, making stupid personnel decisions and continuing the “Bungle” way
there is nothing wrong with finally standing up for yourself

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

We’ll chat more later though, I gotta be up in four hours to watch the game, write a notebook and find a play of the game.

Mendenhall’s second TD has the lead right now, but no play that’s ever had the lead going into the re-watch has gotten it. Cotchery’s touchdown was pretty nice…

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

ok...we will, this has been fun

I’d go with one of the two AMAZING Gay plays myself..but i need to rewatch too

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I did, and I have, it’s a great read by him but it’s too much of an individual contribution. I try to highlight plays in which more than just one or two guys do something outstanding.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 5:44 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re just all kinds of fired up tonight, eh??

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

nah man......

just rhymin………

Hard to get fired up when you knew your team was gonna win against an inferior opponent.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

They aren't that inferior

There is a lot of potential there and I am glad we didn’t have to worry about Green in the second half. We are going to learn to hate Green and Rusty before too many years pass.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe

Like I was saying earlier……..that ain’t a done deal!

But I can see why the Bengals fans are optimistic once again. Glad for em actually.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Palmer sounds like Deiter Brock when he was with Winnipeg

Great arm and enough talent but his heart didn’t seem to be in playing here.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

neal is right

You can’t just say ‘it starts at the top’ when the roster is stocked with awesome young talent and they have future No. 1 picks for Palmer. They’re in awesome shape.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 14, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe....

Don’t like to disagree with the boss! Never a wise career move : )

I won’t beleive it, til I see proof in the playoffs. Every year, we hear of some team thats on the rise. Often its not the case in retrospect. KC is a prime example of this. Or Houston, maybe. If Houston gets to the playoffs, lets see how they do.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree; I lived in Cincy for almost 14 years.

And watched a lot of Bengals games (when they didn’t conflict with the Steelers of course). As long as Mike Brown is in charge there, it won’t matter how many high draft picks the team gets. The FO in Cincy is incompetent—plain and simple. Will they improve during the next 4-5 years? No doubt, and they might come back and beat us one of these days. But over the long haul, they need to hire a GM who really knows football and can handle personnel.

by Billy52 on Nov 14, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

p.s.

Let’s drop the Red Rifle thing…it’s dorky. Let’s just call him “Roadhouse”

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not in the 50s

Maybe in the 30s before the great Red menace.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

You talking about red grange?

by IronJake on Nov 14, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

dude

“Roadhouse” is reserved for Swayze Waters when we get him back after finally cutting Sushi

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess.....

no sense in reserving Roadhouse for Swayze…but …the whole family guy thing…Brian saying something about Roadhouse saying that you can solve all of life’s problems by kicking them…
I really needed that.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

How ‘bout this…I don’t care what we call him. I just don’t want Suisham anymore.

Some Ravens fan commented at some point that Suisham’s gonna lose us a game this year. That has stuck with me, and I think he’s right.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh trust me

he is right, and every game that it doesn’t happen, i consider myself blessed.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

any kicker could miss at an inopportune time.

With that, I thought not picking up a more proven kicker in the off-season was a miss by our FO.

Just have to hope we don’t put him in position to have to win a game for us in the playoffs. Suisham did kick one game winner for us this year.

by steeler fever on Nov 13, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

NO!

don’t let him talk you out of it…Don’t let him Malor you….
your hate for smelly Sushi is 100% justified…he sucks..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

remember...last week the coaches didn't trust him to make a 47 yarder..

had to take a D.O.G…
in the Pats game, they didn’t trust him to make a 40 yarder..they took two sacks instead..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Its the bye week baby!

The bandwagon is changing to the bandboat and we are setting sail. If you think the hotgirls look good in Steelers jerseys, you ought see em without em!

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I…don’t know what that means…but hey, it’s the bye week!

Ya think Beaner makes me write 15 articles this week?!? I’ll bet he does….

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

U do realize

I sit here laughing my ass of as I write this stuff. Its nice when you can laugh at yourself!

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

that's more like it!...

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Malor you?

Nevermind……please don’t explain : ) Could be the phrase of the week!

I wouldn’t trust anyone to make a 47 yarder at Heinz. I guess now that Gay is finally not the goat anymore, we need to put horns on somebody.

Like I said, I thought our weakest FO non-move during the offseason was not replacing Suisham. I still do but he’s what we got!

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m convinced Frank and Malor know each other. His comment pertains to a conversation we had on Baltimore Beatdown earlier tonight.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I figured it out.

Hell Neal, they are the same person!

Two computers, two avatars, who the hell are you anyway? But keep it up whoever you are? Yall……I mean your conversations are hilarious.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

nope..there are no similarities between us.

I am a sincere person. Whether that is bad or good for the person is one thing. I don’t act serious when it suits me, then act like i don’t care if things aren’t going well
I don’t sweet talk/kiss ass, then go talk shit about the person i was sweet talking/ass kissing…actually i just don’t sweet talk/ass kiss period

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

also, i don't go calling everyon that doesn't agree with me

a moron/idiot/retard. etc

according to him somewhere between 90 and 99% of BTSC members (depending on the day) are one of the aforementioned things..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i’m the one percent

by klompus on Nov 14, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't

but he really really hates me. I just don’t like those type of people. I’ve tried being civil, but every time i do, he pulls that two faced b.s…so i can’t do it.
I do admit, I have a problem with letting things go some times..
twell made me more aware of that tonight

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

well don't get malored!

Try giving him the silent treatment : )

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

don't need to

he is ignoring me again because of an admittedly sick joke I made, but i was sick of his rape jokes…so…

but that’s a win/win/win for me..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

You know the saying.....

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I have had issues with Mr. Malor in the past, especially after the first Ravens loss this year.

He’s been ok to me. I just don’t engage him in any long discussions.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i honestly think

that he picks one or two people and kisses their ass in an attempt to try to get Steeler fans fighting with each other.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

could be

and perhaps you and I fell into his trap when we were both having an off night. I will watch my interactions with him more closely.

U do the same.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

oh...this goes back before any off nights.

this is only based on my observations
i didn’t even respond to him for a few weeks after first seeing him.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Rusty

and he has a receiver named Jerome which means there should be a “Friendly Giant” around somewhere.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I say we call him Red Rocket

cause well, if I have to explain it isn’t funny.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

lipstick

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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Strange Feelings Today

I have always hated the Bengals due to their proximity in the AFC North/Central with Pittsburgh (in addition to the ridiculous cast of characters they have employed over the past 10 years)…but after watching that game today, I have to say, I really like that team.

Aside from Cam Newton, Dalton is clearly the best QB in the ‘11 draft. There’s no substitute for being able to win and complete a high percentage of passes, and Dalton has done both of those things for years. The future is bright Cincinnati.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 14, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

They are for real. Won’t be long before they are a force to be reckoned with …. unless Brown screws it up; which is always a distinct possibility.

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by 1BlkGldFan on Nov 14, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Btw

that penalty against Heath on the Cotchrey TD was ticky-tacky. Not usually one to complain on officiating, I think its mostly luck, not some grand design, but I think the Steelers have had rotten luck with Penalties the past two weeks.

by SteelerBuddha on Nov 13, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

Heath looked like he was trying to run-block him, as if he thought the pass was already completed. I don’t think there’s a way to not call that.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

my problem is

“pass interference” implies that he interfered with the pass…
i could possibly understand holding or something…but p.i?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I said the same thing!

But this is what I ended up with: What else do you call it?

He didn’t hold him. Illegal contact only goes on the defense. Pass interference is the only penalty to call. That’s what the call on picks that occur after five yards.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

then it sounds to me like it's a b.s call

and it shouldn’t have been made

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by FrankWyt on Nov 13, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t block a defender down the field while the quarterback still has the ball. That’s really what it is.

Not sure where Heath’s head was today. Great column, Tony, I felt a lot of the same sentiments between periods of intense emotion.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 13, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, Neal. Like Hombre said, I had flashbacks of that KC game from two years ago.

I was just waiting for those mistakes to come back and haunt them. Thankfully, they didn’t, and we don’t have to head into the bye on back-to-back heartbreakers

Go Steelers!

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 13, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Heath's Head

Was probably left ringing after the shot he took at the 2.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 14, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I realize that,

But how many penalties are not called because they had zero impact on the play? The play was on the other side of the field.

I will say, that I’ll accept this penalty, and not freak out about the officiating like I did last week. At least this game was what can be considered “normal.”

by IronJake on Nov 14, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Having said that, there were late hits on BR. And the one where the defender pile drove his shoulder into the turf should have been called if timmons was called for unnecessary roughness.

by IronJake on Nov 14, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, i freaked out about the officiating this week more than last.

The calls that were made seemed to come from nothing and the calls not made on obvious penalties were horrendous. We won despite the officials. Nothing against the Bengals, you all played a hell of a game.

by mtsnot on Nov 14, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree

the one play that sticks with me is a pass right before the interception, Ben went deep to Wallace and #17 was clearly held by the defender on the play, which kept him from getting to the deep pass… The play would have likely been a TD, I rewatched it a couple of times on the DVR and couldn’t figure out why the refs (two of them were staring right at it) didn’t call pass itnerference.

The kicker was that the noncall was never shown on replay or discussed by the announcers… That probably pissed me off the most.

by Simonsen on Nov 14, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Can you link a vid of that play? Is that the one that apparently looked overthrown?

by IronJake on Nov 14, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

can't find a video of it

most likely because there wasn’t even a replay. Maybe one of the guys with GameRewind can try to find it. It did look overthrown, but I found it weird at first that Wallace couldn’t get any separation on it like he usually does. Quick rewind let me see the holding, plus if you look closely you see Wallace at the corner of the screen arguing with the official. Yet not a single mention of it… Looking at the play-by-play, it looks like it was the very first play of the second quarter.

by Simonsen on Nov 15, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember wallace arguing with the ref now that you mention it,

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

The late hit by Timmons was pretty weak too.

by redrifle14 on Nov 13, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Just my honest opinion that shouldn’t really be a enforceable penalty, it’s not like they’ve pussified the game enough already.

by TheStillerWay86 on Nov 14, 2011 12:38 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Well, it is kind of bush league, you have to admit. If they allowed offensive players to block downfield on passing games you’d see even less defense than you see today.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The occasional Heath misstep

I can completely overlook. Simply a blip on the radar and poof; it’s gone. Heath is so underrated in the league and is so incredibly solid as a TE that the man can basically do no wrong.

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and he's so dreamy.....

wait…I didn’t mean that

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by FrankWyt on Nov 14, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Well there's that too...

I’m old, not dead. lol

HERE WE GO STEELERS!
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by 1BlkGldFan on Nov 14, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

So true -

both statements…

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 14, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting…Cassel left the game with his hand in a cast.

It’d sure be fun to go to Arrowhead to play Tyler Palko in two weeks, eh, Pitt fans?!?

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

LOL

The Chiefs have looked bad enough WITH Cassel the past two weeks!

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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 14, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent point. You know your season’s going poorly when Tyler Palko may actually improve your chance of winning.

We’ll have Woodley back after the bye…with Harrison…it’s like we’re getting the old team back together again!

by Neal Coolong on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I plan on being there.

After the way I was treated on my last visit to KC to watch the Steelers play. A good old blow em out ass kicking would be nice.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I really wanted

to, but we have a trip planned, a reunion with all the friends that moved away, to Vegas in January. There are at least three pairs of friends with new kids we haven’t met yet. So we had to put the kibosh on the KC game.

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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe next time………I thought about ya yesterday, the GF and I could have driven to the ville and watched the game with yall. I got about a month or less til its back to the working all the time schedule. Anytime you wanna hook up and watch a game while I am still off, just send me an email. My address is linked to my profile on here.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

sounds good

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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What a mess the AFC West is. Denver is currently 1 game out.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 14, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

We need a real fullback if we’re going to have a real inside running threat, I like DJ, but a Krieder-like blocker would be badass and if he could be a catching threat then running 2/3 TEs and having a solo WR could be dangerous because we could truly air it out out of a run formation. I know that’s the biggest run on ever but I’m on a iPhone hahahha

by TheStillerWay86 on Nov 14, 2011 12:37 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Good write-up!

Fun-to read, and very well-written, except for the over-use of a certain-type of-dash! :)

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by Fifty-Eight on Nov 14, 2011 3:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Fun read is a good description

Not enough is written about Heath, the stadium fans got me chanting Heath at the TV. Anybody see why Polamalu pulled off the coverage of Greens TD. I thought for sure he was going to get his hands in there.

by ibygeorge on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 AM EST reply actions  

Troy didn't hammer Green

but its not the playoffs.

I wonder if Troy isn’t playing a little safer, trying to stay healty. Saving his reckless, take over the game performance for the playoffs and when absolutely needed during the regular season.

by steeler fever on Nov 14, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Troy seemed surprised that the ball was even catchable.

That was just a very weird play. Too bad it gave the Bengals a chance to come back, but all’s well that ends well.

by Billy52 on Nov 14, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

The double edge sword of #43 (Warning : this post was made before I had my morning coffee.)

Troy has always been great at making plays, but he has also never gone a entire season without putting The Steelers in some pretty vulnerable postions with his decsions making. Both he and Clark looked silly on that touchdown to Green. Right before Green caught the ball, I had a vision of Troy making that great one handed interception vs. the Titans 2 years ago, when he was injured in week one. He just does not seem like the same guy to me this year, too much on his mind maybe. I am very worried Troy is starting to not love football anymore, and mark my words. “If we win the superbowl this year, Troy will pull a Barry Sanders.” DON"T DO IT TROY!

by Graham 43 on Nov 14, 2011 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

I think Troy has re-gained the explosiveness that was missing at the end of last year when he injured his Achilles

You see it when he does things like when he turned the guy into a helicopter on that one tackle yesterday. But for whatever reason, like the rest of the defense, he’s just not coming up with the game-changing turnovers.

But I’m not worried about him. He’s one of the best in the game, and I think the case of that touchdown yesterday, Troy and Clark were both expecting the other guy to make the play. Sometimes, people screw up. Oh, and A.J. Green is pretty darn talented.

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 14, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

this

Green pulled in a phenomenal catch, the way he landed made my ankle and knee hurt. I love to skateboard (even at 38) and I have had landings like that. I can’t imagine holding onto a ball when that shock wave of pain slices through your body. Green is going to be very dangerous.

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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

What I don’t understand was troy’s reaction. It was like he looked away at the time the ball arrived. I guess he didn’t know the pass was coming?

And clarke just fell down.

by IronJake on Nov 14, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I couldn't grasp why Troy didn't jump and throw up a hand

That pass was easily defensible.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I had the same reaction

during the game. Troy has since said he lost track of the ball.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Nov 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Troy the Photographer

Looked like Troy could take a photo of Green’s TD catch. Clark was on Green, why did Troy not make a play for the ball? He just stood there. May be too many commercials.

by mastewa on Nov 14, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

That was Madame Tussaud's Troy in the end zone!

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 14, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  


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