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IX Dale Lolley files some post-game thoughts about the Steelers win over Cincinnati and the state of the roster heading into the bye week. Particularly interesting to me was his tidbit about Mike Tomlin keeping Hines Ward out of the game despite No. 86 probably being physically healthy enough to contribute. Also interesting was his solid point about the lack of turnovers partly being attributable to their best ball hawk, Troy Polamalu, playing so many snaps in the box for run-support purposes. 

X -  The Baltimore Sun elaborates on five things learned from the Ravens' head-scratching 22-17 road loss to the Seattle Seahawks. No. 1 on their list? 'Players don't cross a magic threshold and suddenly become "elite."  That, of course, would be a reference to Joe Flacco, who so many were ready to ordain as the rightful winner of the AFC North's best quarterback discussion following his admittedly outstanding 92-yard game-winning drive over the Steelers just one short week ago. Look, Flacco can make all the throws, he's got a short memory, and he's going to give the Ravens a shot to win more often than he's going to cost them a chance at being competitive. He's won big games in January on the road, and he's gotten overwhelmed by the moment in big spots on several occasions as well. Like almost everything else in life, the conversation is much more nuanced than sports writers would lend you to believe. 

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XIII - Homre de Acero hands out grades by position on Steel Curtain Rising following the Steelers' 24-17 winning performance against the Steelers. Can't say I disagree much with any of his assessments, though I think special teams was better than he perhaps gave credit for. 

XIV - I'll be posting it separately in a stand alone post for archiving purposes, but you can check out Episode 14 of Terrible Towel Talk, recorded Monday night at its usual time. Bill Priatko and Dave Villiotti joined me as they've done every Monday this past month to talk about the Steelers latest performance. We also discussed the Penn State sex scandal to hear Priatko's take on the whole sordid situation. Priatko, as it turns out, is close friends with longtime defensive coach Tom Bradley, and has been around the program a fair amount, including this season. It was interesting to get his take on the matter. 

XL - Dick LeBeau, and for that matter every last member of Steeler Nation, is anxious to see James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley suit up and start opposite each other for the first time since Pittsburgh's Week 4 loss in Houston at the outset of October. 

"It's going to be a very new experience," said LeBeau, following the Steelers' 24-17 win at Cincinnati on Sunday. "We haven't had 'em for so long I forget what it feels like, but we're looking forward to it."

After a three-sack performance in his first game back from injury, Harrison was kept in check for the most part and finished with a sack for the afternoon. 

XLIII - Yikes, an already bad football team just got that much worse when it was discovered that Matt Cassel's hand injury would preclude him from playing anytime soon for the Kansas City Chiefs. That means former Pitt Panthers QB, Tyler Palko, will be handed the reigns of KC's offense for the immediate future, including most likely when Pittsburgh travels to Arrowhead to play the Chiefs on Sunday Night Football in Week 12. Should be quite the feast for Dick LeBeau's defense. 

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Hines Ward

Some people are reading way too much into the fact that Hines didn’t play more on Sunday in Cincy, but Lolley gives the clear-headed take, as usual. Hines might not be having a typical season, but I think any idea that #86 can’t get it done anymore, or shouldn’t be playing, is beyond absurd.

by Billy52 on Nov 15, 2011 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

The fact he didn't play much could mean 1 of 2 things

1) his “stinger” was really a concussion as we all suspect so the coaches held him out for safety before the bye week.

2) his lack of production is getting to the point where the coaches see Cotch or Sanders as better options.

I think in this case it’s #1, but Hines has to turn it on the second half or #2 is the new reality.

by lkwdsteel on Nov 15, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No one is saying he can't get it done anymore...

But I do think that he’s dropped on the depth chart in the opinion of the coaching staff. This is an immensely talented receiving corps. I think Cotchery would be a starter on a lot of teams.

by Steelzombie on Nov 15, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

X. Not to take credit away from the Seattle Seahawks, but instead of worrying about making post-game speeches and enjoying Gatorade baths after the Ravens big win over the Steelers last week, John Harbaugh should have warned his team about what happened in week 2 after their last “Super Bowl victory” over the Steelers. Now, the Ravens find themselves in second place, once again. I know they still control their own destiny, but if any team could sweep the Steelers in the AFC North and still finish behind them in the division, it’s the Baltimore Ravens.

XLIII, as a Pitt fan, I’m glad to see Tyler Palko get a shot to start at quarterback, but as a Steeler fan, I’m even more glad to see it.

Speaking of which, did anyone else hear that Matt Schaub is probably out for the year with an injury?

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 15, 2011 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, Schaub has a broken foot and played on it for most of the game making it worse

He is done for the year, and Lienert is taking over the reigns.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 15, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That really changes the color of the AFC playoffs. Unless of course, Arian Foster can shoulder the entire team. How long is Andre Johnson our for?

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Should be back this week.

They have Jac, Atl, Cin, Car, Ind, and TEn left on their schedule.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

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by Steel in FL on Nov 15, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm curious to see how Leinert does

it’s his last chance and that is a very good team. He may surprise a few people this time around.

by lkwdsteel on Nov 15, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He was “supposed” to be good in AZ.

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

They are primarily a run first team, so he might do okay.

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 15, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Excited to see them on Sunday Night

I just hope we don’t read too much into Palko starting and become complacent in prepping for the game and wind up pulling a Ravens, or repeat week 1.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

Woodley

is gonna be a runnaway train after having to sit out the Ravens and Cincy game. Palko is going to get destroyed.

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by stillergorillar on Nov 15, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Woodley on one side and Harrison on the other? Both healthy?

Does it matter if Palko has seen Steelers D in practice last year?

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

pulling a Ravens

I like this expression, we should use it more often

by kisakos on Nov 15, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that…… “Pulling a Ravens” comment.
Made me smile and I’m a Ravens fan!
I just hope it doesn’t stick! :-)

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by R.U. KidNme on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Mike

What ever happened to the Lolley interview series? Is he too busy to continue that?

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by John Stephens on Nov 15, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

I think Mike mentioned that it was limited to begin with

as in, Lolley would do it for a month or something like that. Either way, I sure wouldn’t mind it getting picked up again… That guy knows his stuff :)

by Simonsen on Nov 15, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

I thought KC might be our trap game this year. With Cassel out, that won’t be an issue.

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by John Stephens on Nov 15, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Over confidence is for Ratbirds

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by FrankWyt on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

...said the Steelers prior to Week 1

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To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, no need to do it again, right?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Flacco

Flacco does a good job when he knows where he’s going with the ball, and I think Harbaugh/Cameron just really outcoached LeBeau last week. He didn’t have to scan the field and hold onto the ball much – which is when he throws picks and gets sack/fumbles. I think his coaches gave him good reads, the line blocked well for the most part, and our defense was too worried about stopping Ray Rice to really mix things up. Stopping Rice was correctly the top priority for most of the game, but on the 20 or so converted 3rd and longs and on that last drive, our defense should have had a plan to stop Flacco and didn’t.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

there is no rule against against hugging last i checked

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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

rec’d

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 16, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

That Jake - would be tickling...

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 15, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course not

You can’t hold a Steeler defender

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks more like a BMI check

he is just concerned for Snack’s health

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Nov 16, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree with Lolley about interceptions – Polumalu in the box since the D-line can’t stop the run – and more man coverage. More difficult to throw through zones….

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Related to the photo above,

anybody know the last game this season the club will be wearing those throwback uniforms? Has to be either Cincy, Cleveland, or St. Louis.

by SteelStealth on Nov 15, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Don't know, but we did have a nice winning thing going on with those uniforms at one point...

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 15, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, now I dread those throwbacks

The last two ugly losses (in my opinion) have been in throwbacks.

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by Han on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 15, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see the jersey with the black helmets and black pants - that would be a nice uni

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Palko

Do I recall correctly that he actually suited up for the Steelers for a game or two in 2009? That’s when Ben, Lefty and Batch were hurt. I strangely remember his standing on the sidelines as the No.3 QB at Arrowhead, during our infamous loss in overtime (I could be wrong).

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by kliuch on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

You remember correctly

He was a backup QB when Dixon started the Ravens game in Baltimore and Ben and Charlie were hurt.

by steeldawg on Nov 15, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Palko.......

I remember him being interviewed on the field immediately after Pitt beat Notre Dame on NBC.
He dropped an F-bomb right on TV……too quick for the guys to bleep it out.
Too funny……..he was genuinely so excited that I think it just came out.

by ToonaSteel on Nov 15, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben has a broken thumb

but he expects to start against KC, it’s just been reported on profootballtalk.com

by SteelStealth on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Oops, should have said right thumb

Bradshaw had a similar injury back in the day and played with it also.

by SteelStealth on Nov 15, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Uhhh wtf?

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by John Stephens on Nov 15, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

True, Ben said

he wasn’t sure when it happened Sunday.

by SteelStealth on Nov 15, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

FFS

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by John Stephens on Nov 15, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Got a story up

thanks for letting me know

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by John Stephens on Nov 15, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

you gotta be kidding me

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by FrankWyt on Nov 15, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't he play with a similar injury his first SB run?

I seem to remember him wearing a special glove with a splint in it for the majority of the year. He seemed to do ok with it.

by lkwdsteel on Nov 15, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Broken throwing thumb for Benjamin....at least there is a bye

But can we catch a freaking break!?! It’s like a revolving door

Ben will play against the “Chefs” , however, Charlie Batch should get some additional snaps with the 1st team just in case…

by ToonaSteel on Nov 15, 2011 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone concerned about another guy who got his playing time cut down against Cincy?

His name is not Hines……but 1st rounder Cam Heyward.
He only saw the field on special teams.
No one’s really mentioned this……….is he ok?

by ToonaSteel on Nov 15, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Good point

What’s wrong with him?

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
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by Han on Nov 15, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Have no clue to his decreased playing time this past week.

I just hope he’s not hurt as well…….
Lack of performance in prior games??
McClendon out performing him??
Not in the game plan??

by ToonaSteel on Nov 15, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing

that Harrison’s return to the lineup, made it less necessary to rotate the D-line.

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by alfresco on Nov 16, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Tomlin's dog house...

…ala Mendenhall in 2008?

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by PaVaSteeler on Nov 15, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

X – The Baltimore Sun elaborates on five things learned from the Ravens’ head-scratching 22-17 road loss to the Seattle Seahawks. No. 1 on their list? ‘Players don’t cross a magic threshold and suddenly become “elite.” That, of course, would be a reference to Joe Flacco, who so many were ready to ordain as the rightful winner of the AFC North’s best quarterback discussion following his admittedly outstanding 92-yard game-winning drive over the Steelers just one short week ago. Look, Flacco can make all the throws, he’s got a short memory, and he’s going to give the Ravens a shot to win more often than he’s going to cost them a chance at being competitive. He’s won big games in January on the road, and he’s gotten overwhelmed by the moment in big spots on several occasions as well. Like almost everything else in life, the conversation is much more nuanced than sports writers would lend you to believe.

Exactly why I have always thought Bean was the man.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

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by Mr MaLoR on Nov 15, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

suck up ;)

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by FrankWyt on Nov 15, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well now let's finish that quote from the Baltimore Sun shall we regarding the win against us:

Almost nothing Flacco could do at this point would surprise me. He could follow up this game by throwing four interceptions against Seattle, or he could throw for 400 yards and five touchdowns. Every time you think you feel comfortable making blanket statements about him, he’ll play a game (or a lead a drive) that makes you briefly believe the opposite. He gives both his sycophants and his haters emotional whiplash, and even though I don’t fall into either category, I think I’m done trying to predict how anything projects going forward with him. Every Flacco game is like it’s own Jackson Pollack painting. Some of them are art, some of them are a mess, and they have only a vague connection to one another.

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by the duchess of steel on Nov 15, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoever wrote that should

keep art criticism out of their column. It’s clear they have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to Pollack.

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not know, this Jackson Pollack of whom you speak.

What kind of drugs was this writer on that he could see a connection between an NFL QB and some artist’s paintings? AND how did he think that your average football fan would be able to make the connection, even if there was a connection to be made?

If some Steelers writer, ever starts comparing Big Ben to an artwork…….slap him! Maybe a grizzly bear, but never a painting. Come on man.

by steeler fever on Nov 15, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to agree with the author of the article in regards to Pollack.

But its an “opinion.”

Your disagreement was an opinion.

If you wrote for a living, you could probably drop an opinion in your stories too.

For the record, the writers view on Pollack is widely supported by critics.

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by Fifty-Eight on Nov 15, 2011 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Can you please provide a citation for that widely held view supported by critics.

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I just take exception to the word “mess” when discussing Pollack, and there’s no way anybody can know what connection one work has to another other than Mr Pollack himself. Using Pollacks work in an inaccurate metaphor seemed wrong, imo.

But you’re right. It’s just an opinion.

by IronJake on Nov 15, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was pretty funny, actually,

but then I’m a Philistine when it comes to a lot of modern art. I’m not a big fan of going to a museum to be “disturbed…”

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 16, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Art is subjective.

Some people see beautiful works of art when looking at a certain painting, while others see nothing but a messy blob of random colors, carelessly thrown about a canvas.

by Riddlah. on Nov 15, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

and some see just a freaking can of soup

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by FrankWyt on Nov 15, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I see a mediocre, inconsistent QB, playing just a little worse than what I saw the last 3 years.

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by malaki on Nov 15, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

in a Warhol painting?

I don’t think he had any knowledge of whoever you are talking about.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 15, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Should be quite the feast for Dick LeBeau’s defense.

While I totally agree, I remember us thinking that at home against Slasha’s cousin (then with the Raiders) Gradkowski….

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by PixburghArn on Nov 15, 2011 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

I always fear

when things should be a blowout, or our D will have a field day. Our D was supposed to “rattle” Dalton all day. Even though I did not see the whole game, i don’t think he got “rattled” until the 4th quarter. Once again, i hope they prepare against complacency and don’t “pull a Ravens”

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Nov 16, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  


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