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5 Burning Questions for the Steelers Bye Week

The Steelers bye week has arrived at long last. 7-3 is a good place to be at the bye (although it would be better if two of those losses were not to the Ravens.) Here are your 5 Bye Week Burning Questions:

1. The speculation is that Hines Ward has fallen considerably on the depth chart. Yet he only needs 19 catches to reach 1000 career receptions, 30 more yards to reach 12,000, and five touchdowns to reach 90 career TD's. You are Mike Tomlin, do you take Ward's milestones into consideration in game planning and game-day decision making or do ignore them and make cold calculations solely aimed toward winning?

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2. Neal Coolong suggested that the Steelers were developing an unhealthy relationship with Antonio Brown. Do you fear that Roethlisberger might start leaning too heavily on Brown because of his phenomenal pass catching ability?

3. Troy Polamalu has never played so frequently and so closely to the line of scrimmage as he has done this year. What does this mean for the Steelers defense?

4. We've now had a chance to get our first extended look at Jason Worilds. Using those observation, complete the following sentence, "Based on what little I have seen, Jason Worilds is on track to become the next: A. Alonzo Jackson, B. Carlos Emmons, C. Clark Haggans, D. Jason Gildon, E. Joey Porter, F. Greg Lloyd, G. _________."

5. One of the most under-reported stories of Pittsburgh's 2010 season was a special teams drop off towards the end of the year. Through the Patriots game the Steelers had averaged 28.3 yards per kick return and 12.1 yards per punt return. They'd limited opponents to 23.7 yards per kick return and 4.6 yards per punt return.

Since then the Steelers managed to average 25 and 23 yards respectively on kick returns against the Ravens and Bengals; 10.5 and 5 yards returning punts against those too teams.

In contrast, the Ravens managed a 32.3 kick return average but only 3 on punt returns. Cincinnati had kick and punt return averages of 28 and 10.8 yards, respectively.... 

...Are we witnessing another late season decline in the quality of the Steelers special teams?

Burning Bye Week Bonus Question:

 6. In the spring of 2000 a friend whom I'd met through at the legendary Baltimore Steelers bar the Purple Goose Saloon announced that he was planning a trip to Paris later that fall. (I correctly suspected that he was planning to pop the question to the adorable young lady next to him.) When he told me planning to go to Paris in the fall, I looked him straight in the eye and say, "So, are you gonna go during the bye week?"

Tell the truth now, have you ever intentionally planned a major family or personal life event around the Steelers bye week?

That's it. Have at it folks!

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Addressing the Man of Steel

1 – Absolutely you take those things into consideration, and you try and make sure at least 2 out of the three are at Hines Field. He is owed at least that much for all he has given, and it’s good PR with the fans as well.

2 – Nah, I just think that Brown has quickly become BB’s favorite receiver – hard for me to find a downside, if anything that should blow off the top for Wallace to get deep a few times a game.

3 – Less Turnovers?

4 – I have not seen enough quite yet.

5 – I think our special teams are fine with the exception of Sushi, we need an upgrade there.

6 – No, but it is almost always family time. ;-)

"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin

by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 16, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Thoughts

1. I think Coach, like Hines, only cares about winning. However, if we get into Weeks 16-17 and we have a pretty good idea of where we’ll be in the playoffs….then I sure as heck hope they start giving Hines more targets. He’s been class, and deserves it.

2. Just wait…after bye week, Manny will be back, and things will spread out again. Also, with Cotchery getting another 2 weeks to get comfortable, he’ll take more targets as well.

3. I wish it meant more sacks…or TFLs…but unfortunately, it seems that all it means is we are tackling guys for a 3 yard gain instead of an 8 yard gain. Run D isn’t as stout as it was in the past.

4. Still too early to tell…but I was hoping to see at least a few glimpses that JW could be the next stalwart at LB. I’d say I’m less optimistic now than at the start of the year.

5. Great question. I feel like we’re due for a TD return, and that would change things around.

6. Bye Week Sunday = Date Sunday with the wife.

by MiamiSteelersFan on Nov 16, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Good Questions.

1. Hines is a professional and will get his catches and yards this year I believe. I think that Tomlin respects and appreciates what he brings to the table at this stage of his career, and while he may not game plan specifically to get Hines touches, I in no way feel that he will be left on the bench for the remnainder of the year.

2. I think Neal was being facetious. But to answer the question…no. Large Benjamin is too much of a vet for that.

3. What it has meant so far is that we only have a few INTS. What it means for the future has alot to do with getting everyone back and healthy..I see you Lamarr….and the D-line getting better at stuffing the run.

4. I dunno. Maybe Clark Haggans. I was not impressed with his first two starts.

5. No I think ST are fine. I get a little nervous with Squeezem…but I did with Reid to. That’s just me. Kickers…..)sigh(…

6.I have done that very thing on many occasions. Dude, it’s THE STEELERS.

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by OhioYinzer on Nov 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

1 – I don’t think it’s too much of a worry, he’ll get 19 and 30 this season. Now if he needs one or two TD’s or 5 or 6 catches the last game of the season and the Steelers are clinced, I’d sure like to see them feed him. With luck he’ll retire after the 2012 season with two more SB rings.
2 – I’m in the go with it until someone stops it camp on that one. Too bad Airens is’nt.
3 – The Lake Affect is allowing him to help on the run D, which the injury bug has depleted.
4 – A quality backup to Lamarr Woodley, it’s Carter we need to come along, and though I’m usually wrong on these things, I think if he can get stronger he’ll be a keeper.
5 – Small sample size.
6 – Yes.

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by SNW on Nov 16, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

1. You play to win, putting the team ahead of individual milestones. However, Hines can still play that role well; he’s the best blocking receiver and probably one of the best slot receivers in the League, and can find the holes in zone defense. Put him in 3-man sets and he’ll get his receptions and yards.

2. There are just too many weapons on offense now, and Ben has shown week in week out that he will distribute the ball pretty evenly.

3. The need is to shore up the run defense, since we have been run on a lot this year. Our corners are playing pretty well, at one time leading the league in least amount of yards through the air. Of course, less flexibility with Troy means that there will be fewer splash plays.

4. Clark Haggans. Worilds is not a bust, but he’s not a phenomenal talent either. Then again, neither was James Harrison at first.

5. Haven’t been paying that close attention. All I know is we aren’t getting totally gashed on returns as in prior years.

6. Yes. One I could not get out of was going to Japan for my brother-in-law’s wedding during the 2002 playoffs. I watched that horrible AFCCG at 2:00 AM on NHK, with headphones out and holding back on screaming and yelling so as not to wake up the rest of the house. If you want to talk about horrible special teams, that was the worst game that I can remember, where the Patriots blocked a FG and returned it for a TD, and Troy Brown returned a punt for a TD.

by John Kang on Nov 16, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

1. I think we’re reading too much into Hines’ limited time on the field against the Bengals. There’s an element of this story, I’m willing to bet, that isn’t being made public. Recovering from concussion symptoms slowly is a likely culprit. Expect Hines to be back in the usual mix in 2-3 weeks, and for him to earn his numbers, not be given them.
2. Antonio Brown might be developing an unhealthy ego, but that’s another story. I trust Big Ben’s ability to spread the ball around. Once teams start compensating for #84, then Ben will start targeting Wallace more.
3. I like Troy on the line. I like Troy prowling the slot. I like Troy roaming deep. Doesn’t matter, as long as he’s not forced to constantly back up one unit because they’re not performing up to the standard. Run D hasn’t been as good as pass D, so he’s on the line. We’d see more production out of him if the necessity wasn’t there. The more predictably the Steelers play Troy, the less plays he’s going to make.
4. I’d hoped to see a splash play out of Worilds, considering the Harrison’s been getting all of the double teams. However, considering the Harrison didn’t get a sack against Cincinnati either, I’m not too inclined to dismiss Worild’s potential. He didn’t screw up in a horrible fashion, which is probably a better sign than anything.
5. I’m not concerned about special teams. We’re doing fine on returns, and will get a big payoff one or two of these games. Kapinos has impressed so far, but hasn’t actually done much yet. Long-term, the Steelers either need to see more out of Suisham or find someone else. (Still got Swayze Waters’ number? He’s got a cool name…)
6. Nope. Family > Steelers, and I think every player on the team would agree with me.

by bornem17 on Nov 16, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

1- NO
2- NO
3- Our D-line is not getting the job done…..
4- none of the above…. He seems to be on track to be the invisible man..
5- NO
6-NA …. lol…

by OR69faithfull on Nov 16, 2011 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

6.

is awesome…..a true fan

by blitzzburgh on Nov 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Yessir!

1) Hines is a winner, so any way that you want to use him is a sound decision (except not using him).
2) Spreading the ball around is essential so that opponents don’t key on specific guys. Brown will get better opportunities if Ben doesn’t always look first to him.
3) Bringing Troy up close obviously is a reflection of our troubles stopping the run this season. In particular, Big Snack isn’t the force that he once was in the middle. When will we get Hoke back? We need some help there.
4) Worilds strikes me as more like Greg Lloyd, but still pretty raw in terms of overall capability. If Worilds can get over the hump to the next level, his speed will make him a potential Lloyd-like star.
5) I think we’re OK with our ST play; no big complaints.
6) No, but I never miss a Steeler game EVER, so Bye Week’s not an issue. If I’m not watching the Steelers play, then look for my photo in the Obits.

by Billy52 on Nov 16, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Hoke

was a healthy scratch. Not sure what that says, except that Hampton is the starter and they didn’t want to dress 2 NTs. It will be interesting to see if this continues.

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by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 16, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They've Dressed Hoke and Hampton Plenty of Times

I wonder if Hoke’s injuries are not worse than they let on. The Steelers have not always been forth coming when it comes to injury news.

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 16, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

this x100

I never miss a Steeler game EVER, so Bye Week’s not an issue. If I’m not watching the Steelers play, then look for my photo in the Obits.

My wife has come around, finally. She does not question this and we’ve missed or rescheduled “significant” events b/c I didn’t want to miss a game. (those things are always significantly less important than a steelers game for me :) When I die, god forbid it isn’t during football season and double forbid I have to make any of my relatives miss a game. In fact I’m going to go change my will and make sure the HD with the game is on during my service, if need be.

by SteelersVT on Nov 17, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Answers

1. Hines should be allowed to continue catching screen passes and get his record. He isn’t hindering the team from winning, I think we owe it to him to get him the numbers he want for the HOF.

2. I like that he is going off of Brown. Because sooner or later they will pay him attention and when they do you can go to Wallace or Sanders.

3. We can’t stop the run. I don’t know if the 3-4 is inherently limited against the zone-run or poor execution. Troy is on the line to help against the run defense.

4. Worilds is Clark Haggans. I think once he builds up some strength over the off season he will be fine. He is a good speed rusher but doesn’t have a bull rush to offset that. In the NFL you need to be able to attack talented tackles both ways to be effective. He should get there to be at least a decent pass rusher.

5. I can’t predict the future. But there were those who said after the Ravens game that this season was going to end up just like 2009.

6. Nah I haven’t. But my family just started so we’ll see.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 16, 2011 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

On a separate note.....


This absolutely made my day


"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente

by michaelbro8 on Nov 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Hey Ray Ray....

what d’ya say say ?


"Pitch me outside, I will hit .400. Pitch me inside, and you will not find the ball." - Roberto Clemente

by michaelbro8 on Nov 16, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

OUCH! MY ANKLE!

It feels like someone stabbed it.

by SteelheadOH on Nov 16, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

but he is a student of the game!

he is still a top 3 linebacker in the league! top 5 overall player!

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 16, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

beautiful

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- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Nov 16, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

that play does not happen on a grass field.

its like lynch is wearing velcro bottomed shoes.

by SteelersVT on Nov 17, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Meant to be

6. I got married on 10.10.10 last year, because my wife liked the symmetry of the date. When I checked the schedule, I found out that it was the Bye week! I should probably do something special with the wife this weekend, since it’s an anniversary of sorts.

by One_Nation on Nov 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

yeah about the date- makes it easy to remember. you now have zero excuse for not having something in place on that date every year.

many recently got married on 11/11/11 for the same reason. next year, i expect marriages to spike on 12/12/12 but thats just a wild, speculative guess.

by SteelersVT on Nov 17, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Answers

1. Yes – especially because he is all team about it.
2. No. He’s proven he can get it done.
3. Offenses have a new wrinkle to figure out.
4. A bit premature so I can most certainly be wrong – but Carlos Emmons. Sigh.
5. I think the new change in kickoffs helps mitigate any ST deficiencies.
6. Of course!!!!

by SteelheadOH on Nov 16, 2011 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

Answers

1. I think Hines gets the receptions and yards this year. TDs will be tough but if we have locked up a 1st round bye going into week 17 and Hines is 1 to 2TDs away, I hope we target him often.
2. No. Ben knows what he is doing and will throw to whoever is open. It just so happens that it has been AB the past 4 weeks.
3. The INTs have gone down but it also confuses the Offense. We have basically been playing a 3-5-3 on defense and it has caused two things. Good run defense, but Clark has been exposed more. Once we get Woodley back and we can go back to a 3-4-3, I think our INTs will go up and Clark won’t be playing so bad.
4. I was impressed with Worilds second start. Despite not registering a sack, he had 3QB Pressures and 1 QB Hit. He looked good in limited pass coverage and I think he has a bright future. I say he ends up as about a 4 to 6 sack per season guy playing in a predominately pass rusher role. Two down player unless he gets better at run support.
5. No. We just faced two teams that are very good on ST. I believe the Bengals are 1st in the league in Punt Return coverage and both teams have dangerous kick returners.
6. I have skipped family trips to our house in Vermont to watch the Steelers but I don’t plan vacations (only 17) so I can’t say I have.

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by seton hall and steelers on Nov 16, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

Wheres that house at?

BTW you most likely wouldn’t miss the game here. They have been on TV here, over the air, about 1/2 the games so far this season. Theres steeler bars around, as well for the games you cant find a feed for.

by SteelersVT on Nov 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

well...

1.- I really hope Hines gets his milestones, he deserves them, but I don’t think he’d like them to just be given to him, gameplan to win
2.- Not if he’s catching and producing. If Ben starts forcing passes in his direction just to get him the ball, then yes, but until then, let him have it
3.- Can’t stop the run, need to find the guy for the future at NT
4.- Not enough evidence yet, but I was far more impressed by Worlids last year when he came off the bench at Miami than I have been so far this past 2 weeks. From what I’ve seen, I’d say Clark Haggans at best
5.- Don’t know, let’s wait to see if this is a pattern or just a bump
6.- No, but I’m in college and don’t have many family events to plan during football season. I do plan my homework/study schedule around not doing anything on Sundays other than watching the game though

by steelermaniac1991 on Nov 16, 2011 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

I'll have a shot at those

1. I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. Tomlin shouldn’t gameplan around getting anyone individual records unless its something extremely minor (i.e. one catch needed), but I don’t think that he’ll have to. Once Hines is back out there healthy, he will find and sit down at his spots and get his targets. No concern for me there.

2. No, I love the fact that Ben has developed trust with such a young receiver and let’s face it, Brown has done nothing to disappoint that trust. As long as he doesn’t, why change it? Wallace dropped a key third down reception Sunday, Brown hasn’t done that. Stay with what works, and Ben is not the kind of QB to overly rely on one receiver anyways.

3. Definitely direct product of not being able to stop the run as well as in years past, but it’s worked, hasn’t it? He has been a beast around the line. That said, I do miss him snatching passes away in the secondary and think our turnovers will go up once he plays back there again.

4. Clark Haggans. Not amazing, but a serviceable starter in the future. Let’s face it, we won’t always be lucky enough to have two all-pro caliber players starting at outside linebacker, and I am plenty okay with having one all-pro and one contributor. He has some improvement to do in the run game, but has already been decently productive in in his first couple starts so that I am not concerned about him.

5. Maybe it’s time for us to realize the value of Arnaz Battle. The guy isn’t special teams captain for nothing, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our special teams stats have become worse since he got injured. Something very similar to Anthony Madison in 2009 might be going on, where intangible contributions count more than observers realize. I hope he gets healthy soon.

6. I haven’t yet, because I haven’t had a reason for it yet. Let’s hope it stays that way, I don’t want to make enemies with my friends and family but the Steelers would give them a run for their money if I can reschedule :)

by Simonsen on Nov 16, 2011 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

Great Point about Arnaz Battle and Anthony Madison

You know, I had not thought of that. That’s a great point.

Does anyone remember of if Battle suited up for the Bengals and Baltimore games?

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 16, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

if I remember correctly

he got injured in the first quarter of the Ravens, and definitely didn’t dress against the Bengals

by Simonsen on Nov 16, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

good point on 5 Simonsen

Battle seems a bit expensive to me and wasn’t sure why we kept him. Maybe this is why…….

by Majabe on Nov 16, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The Steelers Thought the Same Thing about Madison in 2009

The Steelers thought the same thing about Anthony Madison in 2009. Rip John Harris of the Tribune-Review all you want (I have plenty of times) but he called it on the day the cut Madison, saying the Steelers would regret letting him go.

And they did.

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 16, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

and willingly admitted their mistake when they brought him back later that year after the special teams had gone south. That’s why I think Battle is still on the team despite not being an offensive player whatsoever. The game of football consists of three phases, not just one, and a single lapse in either can be the difference between winning and losing. That’s why a player like Battle (or Madison in 2009) is so valuable to a team regardless of whether he plays offense, defense, or none of the above.

by Simonsen on Nov 16, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of special teams

It’s just a matter of time before Antonio breaks one….

by Majabe on Nov 16, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

tough questions

1) Yes, in certain situations. Such as if were up a lot (not if getting blown out, that’s tacky)
As a coach I’d want to do anything I could to guarantee him a spot in the HOF, and while I think he’s surefire HOF, some don’t. Mostly because of people’s personal feelings about how he plays the game.

2) I don’t understand the question. You got to whoever gets the job done. Defenses focus on Wallace so much, it makes it important to go Brown’s way.

3) I think you do whatever it takes. He’s great in run support. It’s not like he’s been able to catch a football this year anyway.

4) I don’t have enough information to answer this one.

5) No, I don’t believe we are at all. These things happen.

6) Waited for a bye week to kick my girlfriend out once. Sundays were the only day we were both home for extended periods., and I didn’t want to deal with during a game. I know, i know..I’m horrible, but that was a long time coming. She was a very stressful person to be around at that time. I also needed another check to by a new Tv, we used hers when mine broke.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 16, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

That's What I Call Honesty
Waited for a bye week to kick my girlfriend out once.

You get the award for candor on this one!

As for the second question, I wasn’t 100% sure about what Neal was saying, so I thought I would just sort of throw this out there.

I don’t think it will be much of an issue. Ben’s never leaned on one receiver thus far in his career and I don’t think he starts now. Older fans might remember how Neil O’Donnell openly tried to force the ball to Eric Green during the 1994 season.

The Steelers struggled on offense all year until Cowher benched him at mid-season (year after the fact Steelers Digest insisted that Neil was injured, I’d always thought that was only part of the reason) and one of the things that Mike Tomzack showed O’Donnell was that he in fact had quality recievers in the form of Thigpen, Mills, Hastings, and Johnson.

The Steelers offense improved markedly after Ben returned to the starting line up, and that was the beginning of an offensive evolution that took the Steelers to Super Bowl XXX.

(Anyone interested in a recap of the 1994 benching story can click here.)

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 16, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure Ben was 12 in 1994 lol

If you would, could you please not bring up……I can’t even type his name…
i still have some issues with that guy…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 16, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

About the question

I think Neal later said he was being tongue-in-cheek about that, but you’d have to ask him.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 16, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Tongue-in-cheek

I wasn’t sure if Neal was being sarcastic or not so that’s why I asked the question. As for the other player in question, I liked the site McMillen and Wife’s way of referring to him: Kneel O’Dummel.

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 16, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

this is how I feel about that particular individual

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by FrankWyt on Nov 16, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

great stuff!

1. yes plan to get him 19 catches but not worry about TD’s
2. no, it’s a good thing
3. he has to because he protects from getting run on. What it means i sless TO’s for teh D and that the interior needs to play better and be upgraded
4. Clark Haggans
5. yes
6. many

by Majabe on Nov 16, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting questions

1. I take Tomlin at his word. I don’t think he was talking in code. The situation is fluid at WR. Jerrico, HInes and Manny have all been down at one point. If Brown continues to play at a high level teams may have to reconsider their decisions to double team Wallace. This offense hasn’t peaked yet and the challenge will be to give everyone a chance to eat. With four of the remaining games against relatively weak opposition, hopefully the opportunity will be present to get Hines his numbers without compromising competitive integrity.

2. Brown has earned the attention that he is receiving. Quiet as its kept, he may very well be the best of the bunch. He’s nowhere near peaking yet. But I remember at training camp he was just head and shoulders above everyone. If you think about what is possible with this group considering the three tight ends and the wideouts it is incredible. Battle, whom I think is not a bad receiver, can’t even get to be part of the discussion at this point. If this group continues to improve over the remainder of the season and if by chance we could have a rematch with the Packers it could be an incredible shoot out.

3. Not sure if its because the run defense has declined or the pass defense has improved. Still waiting for him to get his timing back.

4. Size wise he’s more reminiscent of Porter, I think it remains to be seen who he will most resemble performance wise. I like what I saw on Sunday. I think the light is beginning to come on for him.

5. We forget what the impact of injuries may be on special teams. A number of guys are doing double duty as they have increased responsibilities in the other two phases of the game. It probably impacts the compositions of those units as well.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Nov 16, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

1. It all depends on if Tomlin’s personality is closer to that of Chuck Noll or Bill Cowher. I happen to think he’s a good blend of both. However, I don’t think he would sacrifice the good off the team just to get Ward his stats. But I think Hines will be heard from again before the year is out.

2. I don’t think so, I mean, if he’s open, he’s open. Ben is at the point of his career where he’s starting to spread the ball around to many different targets. Right now, Brown is getting open, and Roethlisberger is getting him the football.

3. It tells me that the corners are playing better man-to-man coverage and that the team has had some injury issues at linebacker.

4. He looks like a Haggans type. He could develop into a pretty decent pass rusher, but I don’t think he’ll be specatular.

5. I think the early season success on kickoff coverage, at least, had to do with kickers being able to kick the ball out of the end zone in the warmer weather. Now that it’s getting colder, you see guys laying up short more often because they can’t cut through the windy conditions.

6. Not that I know of, but I think it would be cool to pop the question during a game.

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 16, 2011 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting Point

Good point about the weather. Had not considered that.

by Hombre de Acero on Nov 16, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

4. its too soon to say.

He could be a great one! Or he could be a bust!
probably somewhere in between, I just don’t know. Some LB’s peak later in their career. One thing is for sure, if he doesn’t start stopping the run, we may never find out in a black and gold uniform!

by steeler fever on Nov 16, 2011 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

Arrogant

the way Tomlin addressed Hines benching was arrogant and callous;
 And what? All of you asking for a give away to Hines from Tomlin…..let him get the record/ That’s not Hines style. He either makes it or not. He is not a charity case for the Steelers. He is the Steelers.

Steelers, unfortunately, won’t even make the playoffs. The coaching has been confusing; the coaching has been bad and I don’t see them doing anything different than the play changing roulette game they continue to do weekly.

by Cattnips on Nov 17, 2011 2:19 AM EST reply actions  

lol

Really?

I think the playoff thing remains to be seen. They def. should make it to the playoffs regardless of coaching. These next games, @KC (with Palko at QB), Cincy, Cle, should be 3-0 for the Steelers. The Steelers have given no indication otherwise. It could happen that we lose those games but right now I don’t think we are in a position to expect anything less than 3-0. That makes us 10-3 going into SF game. I truly expect us to finish 12-4 and I don’t think we’re asking a lot of the Steelers to do that.

This last half of the schedule is really weak. Not weak like 2009 weak where we faced a lot of up-start teams on the rise (@KC (in OT), OAK) and divisonal games (Cin, @BAL(in OT)) and had a debacle on Thurs. night @Cleveland. I think we can look back at those KC and OAK games and see why they surprised us. They had some talent but it hadn’t really showed yet. KC goes on to make the playoffs the following year and Oak goes undefeated in their division and isn’t the doormat we thought they were.

There is no sleeping on KC this time around. I’m pretty sure the team remembers losing there the last time we played them. They are starting Palko who well hasn’t shown up to date that he is a threat. KC is a tough place to play especially on a Sunday night. I still expect a win.

Then the Cincy game will be another challenge. We already took Cincy’s best shot. We know what they got. If AJ Green plays then that will add a new dynamic to the game. He is a beast. But I do feel that this game being at home will help.

Then we have Cleveland at home. Many people will have flash backs to 2009 where we lost to Cleveland on a thursday night. I think its a big deal that this game is at home, we’ll find a way to win. Plus I have no indication that Colt Mckoy has figured out this defense.

As long as our special teams don’t re-lapse into 2009 form I think we will make the playoffs. I think people forget that those special teams malfunctions killed us in 2009. Those were easy points put on the board, they were historically bad on special teams in 2009. It appears that those issues have been rectified and we shouldn’t give up 3 TDs on special teams in the next 3 games. Again, we’ll see.

As for how Tomlin handled Hines ‘benching’ , you’re entitled to your opinion; I however do not agree.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 17, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

5 questions

1. Hines never was a speedster and it does not appear he has slowed. What has happened is the others around him have ungodly speed and he looks slow now. He is still the best blocker although Brown seems to be trying to emulate him. I think just play Hines as usual and the numbers will come that get him the records. Doing so will not come at the expense of a win because in a pinch he will be the guy open and the one to make the crucial catch.
2. If Brown is open consistently it would be poor play to ignore him. He may very well become a fast Hines Ward in the not so distant future.
3. I watch all the games after the fact as they are uploaded so I have not been concentrating on Troy all that much and just don’t have any opinion as to why the defensive schemes have changed.
4. Still waiting to see either of the Ratbird games uploaded for viewing and the Bungles are the same so I have not seen enough of Worlids to make a judgement. That is a hint for someone to upload the games to piratebay or isohunt for us who live elsewhere and have no Steeler TV access. (I’m temporarily in Saudi Arabia and going through Steeler [and beer] withdrawal).
5. Sometimes everything comes together (“I love it when a plan comes together” [Hannibal Smith]) and other days they don’t quite mesh. Hopefully that is an aberration and not a trend.
6. Yes I have planned major events around a bye week. In 2005 I was in Korea and traded vacations with a guy from Australia so I could be back to watch the game the following week. Of course I was watching games on Slingbox at the time and missed no games on the way to Super Bowl XL against the Sea Chickens.

by Jerry Lynch on Nov 17, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

WR's - it's all good

Wallace and Brown will be the top pair of WRs on one team going into 2012 – Steelers blessed by good drafting and great development by those 2 players. Hines should be the #3 today, competing with Sanders for 3/4 going into next year. He’ll reach those milestones, but personal records don’t matter … just W’s and L’s. We gotta move forward.

by Watty4ever on Nov 17, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Whoops - completely missed this going up a couple days ago

1. It depends entirely on the situation – if we’re in the middle of a two-minute drill in a close game, that is not the time to go out of your way to try to chase Hines’ milestones. If it’s the end of the third quarter and we’re up by 3 scores, I don’t have a problem with it.

I think Hines will reassert himself at some point (something along the lines of his 7 catch, 2 TD performance against the Titans). If it’ll be the result of active scheming towards him or him just working his tail off and Ben choosing to throw his direction – we may never know.

I wonder how Hines would react though, if he knew that Tomlin/Arians was play-calling to get Hines his milestones at the possible expense of winning the game.

2. Yes – Ben has a propensity to get greedy (it’s what is at the root of him holding onto the ball too long). If he starts taking it for granted that Brown can make an amazing catch to come down with the ball, he could start trying to force throws into windows that just are not there.

3. I’ll have to take your word on that. It means things have changed – and I’m not going to pretend I know any more than that.

4. Based on what little I have seen, Jason Worilds is on track to become the next: Jason Worilds.

Yes, it’s a cop-out. But he shouldn’t be worrying about trying to duplicate the playing style and influence (or lack thereof depending on who you choose to compare him to) that Lloyd/Porter/Gildon/Haggans/whoever had when they started at OLB. He would do well to study their successes and failures and to learn from them (not to mention his own), but at the end of the day, he can only do what he’s comfortable with and just has to be himself. There’s plenty of time for his game to change and evolve beyond what we’ve seen so far, so I’ll wait until he seems to have reached his peak before trying to draw some historical comparison.

5. “Are we witnessing another late season decline in the quality of the Steelers special teams?”

I think it’s still midseason, so maybe it’s a midseason decline. If it rears its head again in a few weeks (or persists until then), then maybe it will be another late season decline.

6. Can’t say I have. Maybe I should step my game up?

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by barnerburner on Nov 18, 2011 4:12 AM EST reply actions  

5 burning questions.

1. I don’t think Tomlin will have to game plan for it, if anything, Roethlisberger will look his way a few more times. He knows Ward is close, I just hope it doesn’t hurt the teams ability to win games.

2. No. This is not a problem. Has anybody ever said that Tom Brady should target Wes Welker less often? Of course not, good recievers catch lots of balls. Period. Brown is currently the hottest playmaker on offense, so naturally you get him the ball.

3. The line is not stopping the run. This also takes away for Troy to ballhawk….although maybe the intention was to increase fumbles as well.

4. As of right now Clark Haggans. You want him to be rated as the 9th or 10th best defender or so out of the starting 11.

5. Not worried. A 2 game slip is not a big enough time to measure.

by Andrew Hill on Nov 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  


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