How Are Baltimore And Denver Winning Games? The Tebow And Flacco Phenomena
In wake of a rash of injuries to quarterbacks around the league (Jason Campbell, Matt Schaub, Chad Henne, Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler, Kevin Kolb, Matt Hasselbeck, Michael Vick, Kerry Collins and of course, Peyton Manning), upstart teams like Houston and Chicago are facing an uneasiness at the game's most important positions.
Other teams are seeing their starters collapse, greatly messing with their post-season chances (Buffalo, New York Jets and San Diego are the main examples).
Then there are teams on the rise due to...something as of yet unexplained. Denver and (yes, I'm going there), Tim Tebow are pointing their fate in the direction they choose, despite being, to put it mildly, a poor passer. Baltimore manages to win with a quarterback who is, by all statistical measurements, average at best.
Maybe the answers we come up with when exploring the age-old question of what makes a quarterback "good" aren't what's confusing. Maybe it's the questions we're asking.
Of the 32 teams in the NFL, 15 of them will have started a second quarterback by the time Week 12 is over. A few responded well to the new signal caller, but the majority did not. Teams that haven't changed quarterbacks are currently 129-88 (.594). Teams that have are 31-69 (.310).
Of the eight teams with seven wins or more, all of them started the same quarterback each week this season. It will be nine if the Patriots defeat Kansas City tonight. Translation: the more a QB starts, the more his team wins overall in 2011.
Obviously many things are wrong with Indianapolis, but poor play from Collins and Curtis Painter is responsible for their 0-10 start. Neither John Beck nor Rex Grossman are providing any kind of lift to the 3-7 Redskins. Blaine Gabbert replaced a brutally ineffective Luke McCown in Jacksonville, and it's hard to see much difference. Fellow rookie Christian Ponder replaced Donovan McNabb in Minnesota, and has shown some flashes of potential, but his three interceptions and fumble doomed the hapless Vikings against Oakland in Week 11.
On the bright side, Vince Young replaced Vick in Week 11 at the Giants, and got the win, but played poorly. Miami has won three straight under Matt Moore, who replaced Chad Henne in Week 4, but lost his first three. Then there's Tebow, who replaced Orton. In that time, he's greatly confused long-time NFL evaluators in how exactly he's managed to take Denver to a 5-5 mark after the Broncos started the year 1-4.
One school of thought throws style out the window, holding firm on the axiom the quarterback position is judged by wins and losses, unlike any other position on the field. It's hard to disagree that winning games is the ultimate goal, and the quarterback is the only position that affects both the offense and the defense.
Breaking down a quarterback's performance, success on third down and a lack of turnovers are the two most telling statistics. A quarterback influences his team's defense by keeping them off the field. A team can't score without the ball, and the more first downs he gains, the less time the opposing offense has possession. Those conversions are the hardest on third down.
Tebow isn't great on third down. In fact, he isn't great on any down as a passer. His ability - perhaps more to the point, desire - to run the ball and take on contact have certainly made him fun to watch. If the Jets had any desire to tackle him in the fourth quarter, they could have won that game without the drama at the end. The success he's having is greatly overshadowing some tremendous performances by Denver's defense.
Without the defensive touchdown in Week 11, Tebow doesn't have the ball with a chance to take the lead at the end.
However, Tebow does not turn the ball over. All four of his turnovers (three interceptions and a fumble) came in a disastrous outing against Detroit. Since then, he hasn't turned the ball over once, and his team is 3-0. That's not exactly a coincidence. The quarterback position is as much about what you are doing as it is what you are not doing. He has poor mechanics, a sub-standard arm, and questionable decision-making skills. But he converts first downs when the game is on the line.
Baltimore's Joe Flacco is another passer enigma. He boasts a 55.4 completion percentage, which is 31st in the NFL, leading only Painter, Colt McCoy and Gabbert. His 6.4 yards per attempt are behind 25 other quarterbacks. He's turned the ball over in 10 consecutive games.
Of the eight teams with seven or more wins, Baltimore is the only one led by a quarterback who has a passer rating less than 85. Flacco has a 77.6 rating.
Yet, Flacco is a completely different player on third down. He converts 62.5 percent of his third down passes when his team is faced with a 3rd-and-3 to 7 yard situation.
While Flacco is otherwise wildly inconsistent, and turns the ball over frequently, he's shown a propensity to rise to the moment when his team needs him to.
Both Tebow and Flacco measure out to be exceptions to the rule of poor starting QB play = losses. Football Outsiders had Flacco ranked 19th in Defense-adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA) at 1.9 percent, meaning statistically, Flacco is 1.9 percent better than an average quarterback, play-for-play.
Tebow, at -37.8, is 38th in the league, being badly outplayed by his contemporaries. But Flacco and Tebow are a combined 11-4.
But the easiest statistic of all to find and track is winning games. Both are doing well in that category.
How much else really matters? In what's been a tumultuous year in terms of quarterback injuries and replacements, these final seven games will bear that theory out.
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Great breakdown of the quarterback position
As for Tebow and Flacco. January usually jumps up and bites those kinds of quarterbacks. It’s certainly been proven in Flacco’s case.
I think the problem is
judging an entire game as if it is equally important. We have run into the same problem with Roethlisberger, haven’t we? His ability to just take over games late after average performances all but won us the Super Bowl the entire 2008 season. I think the same is starting to be at work with Flacco (and happened with VY last night), shaking off average performances to come through in the end. That’s not average, even though the stats show it because the rest of his game was.
Take the NBA as a comparison: in this year’s finals, Dirk Nowitzki (yes, I went there) shook off a 102 degree fever to play in Game 4, was terrible throughout the game, and then took over in the end to lead Dallas to a 3 point victory. Did he have an average game? 10 point and 5 rebounds in the fourth quarter doesn’t think so, though the stats (6 of 19 shooting for the game) clearly say yes.
2008 season
Ben was playing hurt for over half of that season. After being destroyed by the Eagles, I don’t think that he played a game without having some injury until the playoffs. I don’t hear anything out of Baltimore about Flacco being injured
You may have missed my point
I’m not trying to say that Flacco is as good as Ben and that Ben is an average quarterback aside from clutch situations. I’m only saying there might be something to the ‘clutch gene,’ and that maybe we should evaluate those clutch situations more heavily than we do when evaluating the worth of quarterbacks.
The way I describe Tebow is his best role would be the first ever closer in the NFL. Someone with talent and the ability to sustain an offense for the first three quarters gets replaced by Tebow in the fourth. Maybe not even the fourth, just one drive.
That idea is obviously ridiculous and I don’t say it in a serious fashion. I just mean being clutch is one thing, but how many clutch situations is he gonna get put into when he’s throwing for 140 yards a game with 10 first downs?
He’s a complete anomaly right now, one that will likely shift back toward the norm very soon.
Flacco is clearly more talented and more capable, but cripes…there are times when I swear he was paid off to lose the game.
His first pass against Cincinnati, he missed Ray Rice on a screen pass honestly by about three feet. No reason that should have fallen incomplete.
He didn’t throw the ball in the air past the line of scrimmage, and he was 2-for-4 for 16 yards in the first quarter. He also took a delay of game penalty at the end of the first drive, and fumbled a handoff to start the second drive. Two of those passes were on third down, he completed one of them, failed to convert both of them.
He finishes that second drive 0-for-2, including another miss on third down.
Then, on the fourth drive, he goes 3-for-3 with 50 yards and a touchdown. On the fifth, he goes 3-for-3 for 62 yards.
Sixth, 0-for-1, missed another third down.
The seventh was inside 2 minutes, he went 2-for-6 for 41 yards and an interception on third down.
It’s like he’s bipolar or something. In the half, 10-for-19, 169 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. Great throws to Smith 40 yards down the field (Boldin’s was a simple throw, neither had any pressure) and 28 yards.
A completely moronic interception at the end of the half, and a couple of poorly thrown screens, along with a fumble.
He’s insane.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 21, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a Tebowist. However, it is not a coincidence that Denver’s win have coincided with their defense suddenly playing like one of the elite units in the NFL. Tebow certainly deserves credit for his leadership and 4th quarter heroics, but, as you mentioned, it’s the defense that has set him up for success.
"All we're trying to do is win a mf'ing game!!!"
by PosterNutbag on Nov 21, 2011 11:18 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
The best QBs are not necessarily those with the gaudiest numbers,
they are the ones who best take advantage of their team’s strengths (and opponents’ weaknesses). I don’t see Tebow ever becoming a “great” QB, and I don’t see any team winning a SB with him in charge, but I see him being a capable QB on a competitive team.
As long as he doesn’t have to pass the ball.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Tebow has The Jebus and Flacco has PI
I pledge allegiance to the Terrible Towel and the only team in America, and to the franchise for which it stands, one nation under Rooney, indivisible, with the ability to crush you all.
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score. So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming. He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn't coming off the track."
-James Harrison on Kyle Orton
by TVsCHACHI on Nov 21, 2011 1:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
lol
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Nov 22, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Tebow winning games
is the most unlikely of stories this year. I don’t know how long it lasts, I hope the Broncos make it to the playoffs. If nothing else so the Tebow Talk continues…..
Flacco is Wacco! Beating the Steelers twice in a year. Stop the insanity! Stop it!
Why aren’t more people concerned about BR busted thumb?
Any details on the injury, and why Cutler is suddenly out for 6-8 weeks?
You aren't buying that BR sore thumb thing are ya?
Ben is just resting up. Did Matthew Stafford bust his as well? And now Cutler too?
by steeler fever on Nov 21, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was on sale, so I bought it…. Bones take about 3-4 weeks to calcify. Pain will still be there tho-
Think we should rest Ben against kc?
See if Dixon can beat whoever that guy is starting for the Chiefs. Have Ben come in, if Dixon can’t get it done.
by steeler fever on Nov 21, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Intangibles -- whatever that means
At Tennessee Vince Young was a very effective quarterback during those times when he had his head together — that despite being statistically mediocre. He, Flacco (who is good, but …), and some other qb’s who may be either average or erratic do seem to have the ability to rise to the occasion. They’re better in big games than otherwise, and better in the 4th. quarter than otherwise. Explanation — none. Qb’s all (or almost all) come into the NFL having been ‘winners’ and imagining themselves to be some special species called a ‘winner.’ The psychological and physical make-up that allows some to nurture this illusion in the face of (apparent) football reality and draw on it for 4th quarter magic is far beyond my (admittedly limited) understanding.
Tebow, I suggest, is a different case — a guy who’s succeeding because his coach is channeling the Bears of the Bobby Douglass era and whose opponents can’t come to grips with the notion that Tebow is going to continue to play Bobby Douglass when trailing in the 4th quarter. When people figure out to play him the whole game the way Ryan did the first three quarters (or actually get enough points on that Denver defense to take away the run), I suspect he’ll crash to earth.
Just my opinion & I’m highly inexpert (mentioning this because I don’t want to come off as a self-declared expert).
P.S. – I found it a kick watching Douglass and those old Bears way back when. I’m not sure why — maybe because Tebow is so bad a passer — but I instead find watching defenses trying to deal with Tebow just frustrating.
Good example
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 21, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions

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