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Steelers Win Ugly Over Chiefs, Improve to 8-3: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

If there ever were a game to break down in this fashion, the Pittsburgh Steelers 13-9 win over the Kansas City Chiefs Sunday night would have to rank right up there. Identifying the 'good' might be a challenge for some of the more cynical diehards in Steeler Nation, but make no mistake about it, despite the myriad miscues and utter inability to build a comfortable lead over a Chiefs team that hadn't scored but one TD in its last 45 offensive possessions, the Steelers did some nice things collectively and on an individual basis in their Week 12 win. It goes without saying that there was plenty of 'bad' and 'ugly' sprinkled in as well. Let's get to it

THE GOOD
  • Four turnovers forced by Dick LeBeau's defense. That's one half of their season total through 10 games. The Steelers actually could have had one more pick, but that's perhaps being greedy. What's important though is the Steelers capitalized on all four of the 'gimme' turnover opportunities handed to them by Tyler Palko -- all three picks were catches even high school cornerbacks would make nine times out ten; and the botched snap fumble recovered by Keisel was exactly the type of fortuitous bounce that we hadn't seen much of all season. These things always revert back to the median over time, and thankfully it looks like we're making up for a head-scratching dearth of takeaways early on with some opportunistic football now that the pressure has mounted a bit.
  • Shaun Suisham's 49-yard field goal as time expired in the first half was huge. Beautiful kick that would have been good from at least 54. Suisham may not be the long term answer the Steelers want or need at kicker beyond 2011, but that one kick was critical in that it should be more than enough evidence for Mike Tomlin to trot him out there from that distance in tight spots moving forward this season.
  • Jeremy Kapinos had a nice night against the Chiefs. He punted the ball five times for an average of 42.2 yards per boot, with a long of 52 and two downed inside the 20. Outside of his one punt from the Chiefs 39 that tumbled into the endzone (he should have never been asked to punt it there in the first place), Kapinos more than earned his paycheck in Week 12.
  • 34 rushes, 90 yards, 2.6 yards per carry. That's all the Steelers defense allowed on the ground despite not having Troy Polamalu and his sound tackling at its disposal for the better part of the game. I'll need to re-watch the game to get a better sense of who really played well in the trenches, but I know for sure that Casey Hampton, Cameron Heyward, Brett Keisel, James Harrison and Steve McClendon all made plays in the trenches. After a slow start to the year, Dick LeBeau's unit has creeped back into familiar territory in rushing defense -- into the top six at 96.3 yards allowed per game vis a vis the run. They're now just a mere five yards per game shy of Baltimore for third place in the NFL, so expect the Steelers to contend for yet another top five showing in that department here down the stretch.
  • Awesome catch by Antonio Brown on a 3rd-and-5 late in the game with the Steelers leading by four trying to ice the game with a handful of first downs. As it turned out, the Steelers would be forced to punt three plays later, but Brown's first down snag on the initial third down attempt of the series was ridiculous. Amazing concentration and footwork there by Brown. Despite registering what I believe was his first drop of the season, Brown once again led the team in receiving with 81 yards on four catches.
  • As I discussed when handing out a fictitious game ball for Week 12, I thought Lawrence Timmons and Ryan Mundy were both great on Sunday night.
  • Weslye Saunders' first career touchdown was sure a beauty. As Neal Coolong surmised might happen prior to the game, the Steelers called on Saunders to try to help alleviate the team's red zone woes in recent weeks. Great work by Saunders making himself available to Big Ben in the back of the end zone, and then snagging the ball, getting both feet down, and securing the ball (with one hand, no less) as he hit the ground.
  • While we're on that play, Roethlisberger's matador-like side-step to avoid a pass rusher before lobbing the ball adeptly to Saunders was sick. Only a handful of quarterbacks in the history of the game make that type of play look so easy. Thank God we've got one of them leading our team. 
THE BAD

Star-divide

  • 3-of-11 on third down and just 10 points in three red zone trips. Not very encouraging considering two of those drives started at the Chiefs 7 and 24 yard line respectively. Really though the problems occurred between mid-field and just outside Shaun Suisham's field goal range. The Steelers moved the ball fairly efficiently until the later parts of the game, but for this and that reason, they bogged down and failed to put points on the board after stringing together some nice plays to begin a series.

  • Dang, just when we thought Ike Taylor had proved his naysayers wrong with a commendable display of hands on his first half interception of Tyler Palko, Swaggin' dropped what should have been his second interception of the game in the second half. Granted, it was a harder play to make than the first drastically underthrown lame duck from Palko, but still, got to make that play! All in all though, a very nice game from Taylor. Not sure this qualifies as 'bad' so much as it does a reality check, but I suppose it's one way to both commend Taylor for his one pick while also still noting that those types of drops are why he's not going to be remembered as one of the greats of this past decade when he probably deserves to be in that type of discussion.
  • I absolutely love Mike Tomlin as head coach of the Steelers, and no one decision or situation is going to make me change my mind after four-plus years of conclusive evidence that the man is a great fit for the job and not a coach who will ever lose control of his locker room. However, I hated the decision to punt the ball on 4th-and-4 from the Chiefs 39 yard line. The Steelers were leading, 13-6, and were right on the cusp of breaking through offensively. On the first series of the second half, Roethlisberger was picked off after leading the offense quickly past mid-field thanks to a 14-yard first down connection with Hines Ward on a 3rd and 2 from their own 34. After forcing a quick 3-and-out following the pick, the Steelers quickly got the ball back inside KC territory with two sizable Rashard Mendenhall runs, with an 8-yard completion to Mike Wallace squeezed in between. Things were going smoothly, so must be time to self-destruct. A holding penalty and a five yard loss set up 2nd-and-25. Isaac Redman picked up 14 of those yards, and Ben Roethlisberger made it 4th-and-4 with a seven-yard scramble on third down. Why punt it? The Chiefs had gained 48 yards and turned the ball over twice in their previous five possessions. What's so scary about giving the ball to Palko at the 40 yard line instead of, say, the 10? Nothing. At least not compared to the upside of potentially making it a two-score game and forcing Palko and the Chiefs to feel that much more pressed with their offensive play-calling.
  • No thanks on Emmanuel Sanders returning kickoffs. Not sure what the possible explanation is for having him back there in place of Antonio Brown, who prior to this week had established himself as a very good, if not great, return man in the AFC. Sanders showed nothing on his four returns, averaging fewer than 20 yards per pop. I heard a few speculate in the game threads that perhaps Brown was being relieved of those duties because of his emergence as one of the most important receiving threats for the offense. I'm not sure I'm buying that. Brown has shown an incredible ability to avoid big hits whether he's returning the ball or catching it in traffic. He's just got great instincts like that. So I can't see how Mike Tomlin or Al Everest think they need to protect him. Hell, what if he did go down? Aww shucks, we just have to rely on Mike Wallace, Sanders, Hines Ward, Jerricho Cotchery and Heath Miller. Anyway, I think the decision had more to do with trying to get Sanders a few extra touches in his first game back from injury. It was also clear that the Steelers were going to get Hines Ward a few looks this game to end all the 'he's done chatter'. Some of those plays might have otherwise gone to Sanders, so I'm more inclined to think Tomlin and his staff opted to get Sanders' hands on the ball another way, in the return game. But let's hope that experiment is over effective immediately.
  • Pretty hard to rag on Mewelde Moore for his costly fumble on the Chiefs' two-yard line. The reliable veteran just hasn't done things like that in his tenure with the black-and-gold. So what can you say? Nothing really, because if you caught the camera flash over to Moore on the bench after his costly gaffe, you saw that no one was more disappointed by the result than Moore himself. Do realize though that it was that mistake and a few others that kept Pittsburgh from making this one a snoozer in the game's first 40 minutes.
  • I hate to be that guy, but I'm going to say it -- it's 'bad' seeing a gifted tackler like Troy Polamalu constantly go down low to try to undercut guys. It's typically quite effective, and often it's highlight worthy. But even when trying to take down a 290 pound tackle who was eligible to receive the ball as a tight end, it's not worth the risk of injury to throw your body head-first into a collision so often. Just wrap up, go for the leg, whatever. Polamalu sustained what appears to have been a mild concussion in his tackle of Steve Maneri in the first quarter.
THE UGLY
  • Perhaps it should go in the 'bad' rather than 'ugly' category, but for the first time since rejoining the team, Max Starks got his ass handed to him. Give most of the credit to Tamba Hali though. He was a man possessed and simply too much for Starks most of the night. It was not all that dissimilar to what happened to the Steelers' tackles when pitted against Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis earlier in the season. Max will be just fine though. He actually had a few nice plays that allowed for successful plays to materialize. And like I said, this was the first week that he had played anything less than a stellar game. Get out of jail free card as far as I'm concerned.
  • I'm so enormously proud of Ben Roethlisberger for the way he's developed as a quarterback, as well for the way he's kept his head up in the wake of having his name tarnished in the court of public opinion this last few calendar years. He's a once-in-a-generation quarterback for sure. That touchdown throw to Saunders is proof positive. All that said, he's still got to cut down on some of the inexcusable miscues. His interception early in the second half was just awful, a truly Tyler Palko-esque decision and throw. He'll always be on the fringe of discussions about the truly great quarterbacks so long as he makes those mistakes. Cut those down by 50 percent and he's waltzing into Canton. As for the pick, blah, what's there to say. Forced it into way too tight a spot, and even worse, he threw the ball with no conviction, instead short-arming it indecisively.
  • Not sure where the blame lies, but it was frustrating to see the Steelers take that many shots down the field. They simply weren't working. (Though one long ball to Wallace hit his hands and should have been caught). Don't complain about the lack of balance though. The Steelers threw the ball 31 times compared to 28 rushes. Too many passes were forced down the field vertically though in my opinion. Again, not sure if that's Big Ben letting his receivers get in his ear and taking unnecessary shots when there were underneath options at his disposal, or if Bruce Arians was deadset on stretching the field. But the recipe for success can be found in the win over New England; not what we saw tonight. 
  • I'll save one for you Coach Haley. Your clock and timeout management on the game's final drive was revolting. I was literally cringing in disbelief by what I was seeing, even though I of course was thrilled that such incompetence was aiding tremendously the Steelers' chances at holding on for the win. Look for yourself, but here's just a few examples of where the egregious errors took place. After picking up a first down on a 3rd-and-4 from their 36-yard line, KC elected to not take their first time out at around the 3:00 minute mark. Instead, they let a ton of time run off the clock before running for four yards with Thomas Jones on the last play before the two-minute warning. Let that sink in real quick: the Chiefs managed to run one play for four yards in one minute before the two-minute warning despite still having three timeouts to burn and still needing to traverse over 50 yards for the go-ahead touchdown. Disgusting.

That's a wrap for now. What would you guys and gals add? Disagree with? Plenty of time later in the week for a look ahead to Week 13, but needless to say the Steelers' Week 13 home tilt with the Cincinnati Bengals is an enormous one. More so for the Bengals than for the Steelers, but a win next Sunday all but ices the top wild card spot while keeping alive the very real possibility that they run the table, finish 13-3, and surpass Baltimore for the AFC's No. 1 overall seed. Yeah I said it, and no I'm not concerned by what I saw Sunday night. There was some good, some bad, and some ugly in the win over the Chiefs. But that's par for the course most weeks, is it not?

Go Steelers!

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Well said Mr. Bean

nothing to add

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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Nov 28, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Well...

The Good:
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Four turnovers forced by Dick LeBeau’s defense
- only “good” one was Keisel’s – the other three were less due to Coach Dad’s defense, than to Palko’s ineptness as a QB.

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Shaun Suisham’s 49-yard field goal
– sorry, but I don’t give bonuses for people merely doing what they’re hired to do.

34 rushes, 90 yards, 2.6 yards per carry

-Agreed – though I was getting nervous late in the game, the Steelers run Defense has been getting better every game.

I agree on the rest of your good, especially

•While we’re on that play, Roethlisberger’s matador-like side-step
– only thing I liked near as much was the devastating block Big Ben threw on the LB on the broken gadget play.

The Bad: Self evident to anyone watching the game. Bad play calling (going deep too many times), bad OL work, etc.

The Ugly: – Steelers apparent lack of preparation, lack of “mind in the game”, flatness, all which I lay at the feet of Coach Tomlin, who is having more of these issues than I ever expected, and is causing growing concern over how good of a motivator he is. In addition, he has shown poor time management in previous games. And for Lord’s sake, will he PLEASE dissuade Ben and/or Bruce from ever trying that bush league “try to fake ’em off sides” move again? Only thing more bush than that, was Haley’s “freeze the kicker with a timeout”.

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To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.

by PaVaSteeler on Nov 28, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

In My Opinion...

This team looks flat OFTEN.

You are right about Suisham, this is the NFL, you need to make a 49 yarder as a rule not an exception.

Keisels fumble recovery was also due to inept QB. He fumbled the snap. I pop warner team should beat the Cassel- less Cheifs by 4 points.

by biggcat on Nov 28, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow!

Spelling and grammer errors on my part. Oh well, I am on vacation and I like to smoke bud when I’m off. Sometimes English falters.

by biggcat on Nov 28, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Bush league

I am not sure why you think the “fake’em offsides” is bush league. It has not worked yet, but it does work on a frequent enough basis to try it. Besides, I think that it makes sense to continue to do it because one of these days, the Steelers will actually have a play available to run.

by Kevin78 on Nov 28, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

So, Wallace shouldn’t get a bonus for catching a TD or Ben throwing a touchdown?

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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Not on a "per" basis, no...

…if at end of the year, they have performed beyond contract specs, or “over and above”, yes, but as a matter of course, isn’t that what they’re being paid for?

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by PaVaSteeler on Nov 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Mike isn’t giving out actual money here. Just recognition for a job well done. That’s why I don’t understand the blunt comment directed at him.

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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

ditto, except

13 points? Major ugly!!

by ibygeorge on Nov 28, 2011 8:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Arians

You touched upon it, but this was a badly called game. We were back to ideology this week.

Anyone care to guess what the first pass of the game will be? WR screen maybe?

How about the end around when your sweep has no credibility? Check.

Up 7 or less with a qb with a broken thumb? Long pass anyone?

Three points off the first three trips within the KC 30?

Four minutes and change to go…. Make sure to throw a few incomplete passes.

Balance notwithstanding, the run game looks like an afterthought. Like it doesn’t matter to Bryce whether it succeeds or not.

But… I am a self confessed dinosaur… What do I know?

by Steelzombie on Nov 28, 2011 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

too many drops by 17

Yeah we may have tried to go deep too many times, but a couple hit our guys in the hands and weren’t reeled in except for amazing grabs by Brown and Saunders. I know everyone has a bad game but we looked sloppy after a bye week. Hope Pouncey is feeling better. Wonder if he had the same crab-cakes I did last weekend. Not good.

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by SaratogaSteelerFan on Nov 28, 2011 9:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Worilds and Mendy

Worilds. 1. He got a sack when Palko had to evade a rush, ran up and to his right, straight in to Worilds, who was at most 2 yards behind the LOS. Okay. But after the sack, Worilds celebrated with some pose like he had done something great. 2. Just after the last KC offensive play of the game; the interception. He came up to Palko and palmed him against the side of his helment. I dunno what he said, if anything, but it sure looked like a taunt to me. Something worthy of a 15 yard penalty, which I kinda thought was coming, but no flag. Maybe I’m too old school, but I hate that shit. Not good for the team.

Mendy. I admit I still have bad memories of the SB fumble that was a game changer. But he seems like he is loose with the ball. I haven’t looked it up, but I don’t think his fumble frequency is bad at all. That said, I am surprised he hasn’t fumbled more, because I see him carrying it loose. A lot.

by NCSteeler on Nov 28, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Taunt

I did not think that Worilds was taunting him. It appeared to me that it was the normal stuff that guys do when the game is (basically) over.

by Kevin78 on Nov 28, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I lay in the middle ground with BA

The things I saw that I didn’t like from him this game though:

  1. Screens to Ward on 1st and 10. We have 3 players who can run sub 4.5 40s. Those guys could change a game on a well designed screen. At best, Ward will get you 5. I wouldn’t mind a screen to Ward on 3rd and short, because he knows how to get a tough yard.
  2. WR routes that take 3+ seconds to develop. What happened to the offense from the Pats game that used quick slants? We should mix those in a lot more than we do.
  3. Not using Heath in the RZ.
  4. Throwing fades to WRs that are shorter than 6’

Things I liked from him:

  1. He didn’t abandon the run late in the game, even when a few runs weren’t good. Mendy pounded on their defense and really wore them out. It seemed like he was dragging defenders around in the 4th.
  2. Using Saunders in the RZ.
  3. Using play action only after you had established the run. Credit the KC secondary for being disciplined and not falling for it. Those PA passes usually work after you establish the run. I thought they got away with a few holds, but that happens.

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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

+1

I like the use of play action once the run has been established, as well. This has always been a staple of good Steeler football. However, is it just me, or is Ben looking a little lazy with his selling the fakes? I am a big fan of his collective work, but would like to see him really sell those fakes. When they are done correctly, they are way more effective.

by One4theotherthumb on Nov 28, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Establishing the run?

When your three rbs combine for 95 yards, including 57 from your workhorse, how is that establishing the run?

I don’t think the play action surprised anyone at all. KC played excellent man defense all night.

But it is a win. Let’s all blame it on Ben’s thumb and we can feel better.

by Steelzombie on Nov 28, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

My count in the 2nd half

3rd Q – 7 passes, 8 runs
4th Q – 4 passes, 5 runs (excluding last two kneels)

And I never said it surprised them. I said the opposite, actually.

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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The Timeout

……was UGLY.

The first one the Steelers used in the second half after they tried to draw the Chiefs offside on 4th down. Why waste a timeout there? Just take the 5 yd delay. Ben admitted after the game that it was him that took it.

by Dr. Spaceman on Nov 28, 2011 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

playin with em

Seemed like the whole team and coaching staff didn’t take the Chiefs seriously and were just playing with em instead of trying to beat em.

by steeler fever on Nov 28, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

That's as good an explanation as I've seen on any of these posts...

…and again, makes me question what Tomlin is preaching

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by PaVaSteeler on Nov 28, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe we just write it off as being

a trap game coming off of a bye. Teams coming off a bye have a pretty horrific W-L percentage. We did get the win, even if in an Ugly fashion.

by steeler fever on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Could be, hope so...

…but we’re running out of games to “get things aright”, and the competition for the wildcard slots is tight.

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by PaVaSteeler on Nov 28, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Every team has a game or 2 like this one

The key is to bounce back and play better. Last year we nearly lost in Buffalo (and should have lost). In 2008 we won 10-6 in Cleveland. Luckily we played awful and won the game, so I’m not too concerned. I think we’ll bounce back and play much better next week at home vs. the Bengals.

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by sb24ws2005 on Nov 28, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

If I remember correctly

That 10-6 win over Cleveland in ‘08 was with 40mph winds and heavy rain throughout most of that game. I would throw that one out as an ugly win. No team could’ve put up points in that game.

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by WVSteel6SB on Nov 28, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree on Starks

I think he did pretty good against Hali. Lets remember that he was second in sacks last year and is a great player. Starks won more than he lost, and that’s a damn site better than we’d have gotten from any other tackle on our roster. Arians didn’t exactly call a great game to help him either. When a guy like Hali is pinning his ears back, then the best attack is to let him get up field and run right at his spot. I didn’t see that once.

My ugly:
Wallace had a crap game. He dropped an easy TD catch and Memo fumbled the next play. He dropped another bomb that hit his hands. That’s 14 points that he cost us that game. It’s almost like he’s pouting about the emergence of Brown. Get over it Mike. If you want more targets then step your game up.

Bottom line – we didn’t play our best while the Chiefs were playing their SB and we still won. It wasn’t pretty, but we won and that’s all that counts.

by lkwdsteel on Nov 28, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Big Ben and Bradshaw

It is a mystery why we see the occasional bad pass from Ben, but Bradshaw had the same issue, even in the postseason. Even during his prime, Brad had seasons of double digit interceptions, and he didn’t have the volume of attempts we see from BB. Obviously, the best case scenario is for your HOF QB to be like Manning or Montana, with rare interceptions, but at this point, we’ll probably have to accept the occasional risk taking pass from # 7.

by SteelStealth on Nov 28, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

I here you and agree that Bradshaw wasn't perfect

but you can’t compare the two eras either. Ben could have played back then because he’s durable as hell, but I’m not sure how many QB’s today could do the same. Back then the WR’s were getting mauled all over the field (until 78 at least when they created the Mel Blount rule), and QB’s were fair game as well. By the standard in the 70’s, today’s game is practically a 7 on 7 drill. Every rule change for 30 years has been geared towards helping the passing game, so there’s no way to compare them by stats at all IMO. INT’s happen when a WR isn’t where he’s supposed to be in addition to errant throws. Back then it was far more common for a defender to knock them off their routes.

by lkwdsteel on Nov 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Picture for a moment…..Brady playing in the 70’s against Lambert. That makes me chuckle.

by since'75 on Nov 28, 2011 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Some more

Good:
Worilds – yes he celebrated too much on the sack, no he is not there yet in terms of pass support, and was out of position some during the run game, but he was a presence rushing the QB with 4 hits and pretty solid pressure all game. He looked active and solid in my opinion.

Heyward – young guy played much more this game and looked solid if not stellar. He seemed hard to move and sound in the gaps, not a great game by any stretch, but nice to see him get more playing time and contribute.

The bad:

Ike Taylor – not only the drop mentioned by Bean, but also pretty loose coverage on a couple of key plays. Despite the interception, I think it may have been one of his poorer efforts this season.

The Ugly

 Mike Wallace – . Mike has really quieted down in the second half of the season. Maybe he is seeing more safety help, but he really doesn’t seem like he’s changing games like he was at the beginning of the season. Two costly drops wiped out at least 10 points, and he didn’t seem very active while blocking. 6 targets and only two catches for 17 yards. Mike did not show up today.

by SteelerBuddha on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

On Ike

Could it be that Lebeau/Lake told him to keep the WRs in front of him? Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston are big physical WRs who are good at breaking tackles for YAC, better to keep those guys in front of you and make Palko no screw up.

Also I think the coaches like to play vanilla when they can afford to, cut down on the game tap for other teams to use and all.

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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Nov 28, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

On Wallace

Definitely agree this was his worst game of the year. I am not sure what caused the drops, but it is usually a lack of concentration and focus. If anything Brown’s emergence should loosen up coverage on Wallace. He will certainly not see safety help if he keeps having games like this. Hopefully he will get his focus back for the Cincy game.

hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
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by ekl on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

More on Wallace

Hope that this emerging star doesn’t flame out! Sure would like to see continuing maturity, such as 1/ better blocking; 2/ less jawboning/shoving; and 3/ staying focused when not targeted. Look to Ward for your model, sir — you and Brown could terrorize downfield like Stallworth and Swann once did.

by cincysteel on Nov 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Ike

I was hoping I wasn’t the only one thing Ike had a less than stellar game. I actually think if you take the one pick out of his stat line, which I think we can all admit had nothing to do with his skills and was a 100% poorly thrown ball, he had a very meh game. He does what he normally does, gives a massive cushion and then makes sure tackles once the catch has been made. And on the oft chance that he does come up, play press and have to run with a receiver, he’s generally got decent coverage but his ball skills are so poor he rarely even knocks it down. Some receivers can still concentrate and make the catch, others can’t. That’s really his game, check out Pro Football Focus’s rankings of CBs and you’ll forget any idea that he’s even an above average corner in this league

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by Steamin' Beamin' on Nov 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he's definitely not good enough to make the pro bowl...

He started out well seemingly, but he does get burnt and beaten once in a while… Yet he’s still the best physical CB we can put out there week in week out, I’m satisfied with him though..

by stoco40 on Nov 29, 2011 6:49 AM EST up reply actions  

im probably starting antonio brown over mike wallace from here on out wtf :(

by klompus on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Was the Steelers...

trying to get Ward in the game just to get him… in the game? I’m not sure how effective he really was…

by Piratefan13 on Nov 28, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Olé!

Did you notice how, in sidestepping the rusher, Ben also shielded the ball near his hip, rather than letting it hang out there like 95% of QBs who could even fathom pulling such a matador-like move, thereby avoiding the stripping hand of the oncoming pass rusher?

It’s not enough to avoid the big hit, but protecting the ball at the same time WHILE still looking downfield at your 4th or 5th option? If Ben ever makes the HoF, this play will be shown on the big screen behind him.

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by Flying Polamalus on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

On Saunders TD

I was amazed at how, in the process of falling to the ground, he had the ball in his left hand only, palm down, and the ball never even touches the ground. It was like he was holding a tennis ball. How big are that dude’s hands? He shows great athleticism.

by NCSteeler on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Haley is always angry

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

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by Mr MaLoR on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Haley is just a little child.

Between the no hand-shake and his constant crying/whining/yelling, I’m surprised anyone wants to even deal with his ass.

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by Riddlah. on Nov 28, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I am probably the minority

But I had a coach like that and I responded to him really well. I missed a tackle in a game of rugby once in the first half, and the guy that I missed scored. At half time I got my ass handed to me, got called a [excuse my language] “pussy”, I was questioned as to whether I had balls etc etc

I went out on that field so angry I think I winded three players with tackles, including the guy who got by me earlier.

I like being yelled at, abused etc. I view a coach as a dictator, and the more alpha the better

But thats just me. These days kids are raised to soft and its all about “participating”

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by Michael Hewitt on Nov 28, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

So, you're a masochist?

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by John Stephens on Nov 29, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Theres probably some psychological definition for it

I dunno, it just works for me I guess. I’m a Personal Trainer by trade, and my style is much the same, strong dictator style, but with the right amount of empathy as well

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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 1, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good, Bad, Ugly

I agree with the majority of this post, though I think there were definitely a couple more down spots.

1. Was there some sort of bizarro contest to see which team could either hold more or get away with more holds? On both sides of the ball? It got pretty bad, and our offensive line is just not good enough to be dropping back to pass for those long routes. Problem is, they aren’t good enough at run blocking to really go to the ground game. Great.
2. It was mentioned previously, but why all the deep routes? Besides the fact that throwing deep against Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr isn’t that great an idea to begin with, our OL isn’t good enough at pass blocking to let those routes develop.
3. Speaking of route development, what’s with the lack of crossers and quick outs and short dumpoffs to someone other than the running back in our offense? BA is BS (and by that I mean Bruce Arians reminds me of Brian Stinespring, the offensive coordinator at Virginia Tech and my mortal enemy…).
4. Our blitzing often took way too long to get home. Worilds’ sack was the only one, and it came on a coverage sack. LeBeau’s scheming hasn’t gone as well this year, and the inconsistency of our linebacking corps isn’t helping.

But, as Lombardi said, winning is the only thing. We made it out of KC alive and kept pace. Somehow.

by BlueLoneWolf on Nov 28, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

#4

Dick has been changing things up this season. We aren’t getting as many sacks, but our secondary is playing better, smarter and more efficiently. I beleive Labeau had to make changes in his gamecalling because of the pass happiness of the league, especially with the tendencies teams have of throwing the short passes.

by steeler fever on Nov 28, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad 4 the "W", but....

Always excited for a chance 2 c our boyz n action, but 4 me, at least, it was beyond ugly. Sunday’s game was the most dissappointing performance n a win i’ve seen this season.

1st off, f ur going 2 proclaim on national TV that u r the fastest WR on the planet & that there is NO cb that can keep up w u, u need to show it on the field, otherwise, STFU untill u’ve done something special & can do it w regularity to help ur team.

Off the bye, i was expecting a game much more like the 1 the pats played againt the “dream team” vs. what i watched. Considering that we’re supposed to have, f what i’ve read @ times on this board is tru, “scary” WR’s, scoring ONE TD n 4Q’s is unacceptable – all the more so f u got 4 to’s (its also unacceptable w/o any to’s).

This wasn’t the well oiled, buzz saw, crisp team that usu, by this point n the season, is gelling 4 a serious playoff run. With continued play @ this level, i would expect a loss @ SF & an early exit from the playoffs, f n fact we make them.

I’m thankful the guys didn’t give up or give in when things bogged down & even managed to regroup, while on the field, 2 address KC’s version of the no-huddle – kudos 2 them 4 that, thou it did look like that cought them by surprise.

Looking 4ward to the Steelers rising to the next level of preparation & performance, but f u can’t attain it during the bye, when is it going to come? Our boyz r gonna hv 2 dig deep & regroup, b/c right now I’m not seeing Steeler football from them.

The chance 2 learn from ur shortcomings & grow out of ur disappointments is 1 of the richest opportunities u can ever experience. When u can bring urself 2b grateful 4 ur problems u`ll begin 2 harvest their positive value. Life can b difficult; but out of that difficulty grows the potential 4 meaning & beauty. N each disappointment is the seed of fulfillment. learn what it has 2 teach & u`ll b moving urself 4ward.

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by alkebulan on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Steeler Offense

Steeler Offense is way to predictable, especially in the 4th quarter. !st down, 2nd down to runs up the middle for little or no gain and then 3rd and long. Then the defense come on strong for a sack. We had more success with short passes over the middle or out to open up the running lanes. Teams are expecting a long bomb to Wallace. We need a better element of surprise regarding this play. We also need to bring Hinds Ward into play in those late game situations and he will come thru.

by 1946 on Nov 28, 2011 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Neal is right about Tomlin screwing up on punting with 4rth and 6 at opponents 40.

When Tomlin quits on a drive that is well into enemy territory, and gives the ball back to the other team on the 10 or 20, it makes me want to SCREAM. Ben will figure out a way to get those 6 yards half the time— and more than half the time with the game on the line. That was ridiculous to give the ball back to the Ravens and it was ridiculous to do it again last night. The Ravens and Chiefs must have been thrilled when the punt team came out. Could you see Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Brees, Mannings, etc. punting in that situation? Mike is wonderful, but many think this is an area where he needs to improve quickly.

by buddydial on Nov 28, 2011 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

I usually am not too hard on Arians-

Particularly in comparison to most in this forum- but last night was BRUTAL. Running on 2nd and 10 (repeatedly), sending everybody long, small backs fumbling at the goalline, never saw the no-huddle, never saw any tempo change or anything to make the KCD abandon their base D. ARHHHHHHGGHH!!! It was all JUNK- except for the win part- ha!

OK- i’m done ranting…thanks. I needed that.

by crosby87 on Nov 28, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Time Management

It is bad across pretty much over the entire league.

by Killdozer2009 on Nov 28, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

Bench SpindenFumble

Let Redman carry the rock. Rashard SpindenFumble never seems to have enough to convert. When he incrementally run for more than 3 yards, it’s never enough to move the chains.
With the EZ in site, he juked a guy for a tackle. No Heart. You can’t correct or coach that. Bench and trade him.

by smithology on Nov 28, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

504

area code of the New Orleans area. He’s from there.
Now I have a question for you. What the hell does he mean when he says “Ike T-Squared university” in prime time player introductions?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 28, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

middle name must start with a T

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by Michael Bean on Nov 29, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

That's possible

the only thing I can find on him is that his name is Ivan Taylor, no middle name is ever listed.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

actually

according to everything I see, that’s it. His full name is Ivan Taylor

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by FrankWyt on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

ivan 'tokin' taylor?

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by Michael Bean on Nov 29, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I will just accept that..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 29, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not too worried about the offense. A year ago at this time, the team had trouble scoring

points in games against the Bills, Ravens and Bengals. And in ‘08, they had their problems against the Chargers, Cowboys and Ravens. But towards the very end of each of those seasons and into the playoffs, they started putitng up more points, and their red zone efficiency was superb. Not to say that it will automatically happen again this year, but it’s a good reference point.

As for the long passes, I know Arians loves the long ball, but like you said, the game against New England should be all the evidence anyone needs as to what they should be doing in the passing game. I always go back to that game against Cleveland at the end of last year, when the offense looked as good as it did all season. It seemed that, much like in the game against the Patriots, they were using a lot of quick passes to move the football, and they put up 41 points.

As for the Ben interception…..just arrogance on his part.

Oh well, I suppose you have to give the Chiefs credit. They played some pretty outstanding defense, even if they were getting away with much more holding than what was being called.

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 29, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  


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