AFC Playoff Picture: Assessing the Injury Situation of the Playoff Contenders
With five games and no bye weeks to go, the top contenders in the AFC have a varying degree of injuries. While all nine of the AFC's top-seeded teams won in Week 12, some suffered some big injuries (Houston and Pittsburgh), some rebounded well despite a few previous injuries (Baltimore and Oakland) and some returned a key player or two (Cincinnati).
With five games to go in a white-hot competitive conference, injuries will likely spell the difference between playing beyond Week 17 and going home for the rest of the winter. Here's a breakdown, team-by-team, of injuries sustained in Week 12 in the AFC.
1. Houston Texans*
- Record: 8-3
- Remaining Games: vs. Atlanta, at Cincinnati, vs. Carolina, at Indianapolis, vs. Tennessee
- Injury Forecast: QB Matt Schaub, QB Matt Leinart
The AFC's top seed can't keep a quarterback healthy. Leinart's much anticipated debut lasted just shy of one half, and a reported broken collar bone will keep him next to Schaub on the Injured-Reserve list. T.J. Yates, a rookie 5th round draft pick in 2011 from North Carolina, looks to be the Texans hope to advance to the playoffs for the first time in team history. Much will be written about the Texans' running game, and how that will help Yates out, but the bottom line is to win in the NFL, you need a quarterback who can complete passes. You can expect Arian Foster and Ben Tate to rush, rush and rush some more, but Houston's going to struggle to hang onto their No. 1 seed.
2. New England Patriots*
- Record: 8-3
- Remaining Games: vs. Indianapolis, at Washington, at Denver, vs. Miami, vs. Buffalo
- Injury Forecast: RT Sebastian Vollmer
Unless the names "Brady" or "Gronkowski" appear on the Patriots injury report, it doesn't seem to matter. Brady was razor-sharp in a complete shellacking of host Philadelphia in Week 12, and the scary part is they left some points on the field. Since a two-game losing streak, Brady has been the best player in football, throwing for 924 yards and eight touchdowns in New England's last three games (all at least 18 point victories). The Patriots are averaging 36 points a game in that same span of time.
3. Baltimore Ravens*
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Record: 8-3
- Remaining Games: at Cleveland, vs. Indianapolis, at San Diego, vs. Cleveland, at Cincinnati
- Key Injuries: LB Ray Lewis, LB Dannell Ellerbe
Similar to New England, injuries don't currently appear to be much of an issue for the AFC North-leading Ravens. If anything, Baltimore's defense has played better without Lewis - who has missed the last two games with a toe injury. Without Lewis and Ellerbe, the Ravens defense racked up nine sacks in a 16-6 win on Thanksgiving. With a slate of only AFC opponents remaining, only one of which has a winning record (Cincinnati), Baltimore holds a strong position in the race for a first-round bye.
(*both NFL.com and ESPN.com list the top three seeds as Houston, New England and Baltimore, respectively. Baltimore defeated Houston, but since Houston and New England haven't played each other, the first tiebreaker, head-to-head records, is eliminated. According to NFL.com's tiebreaking procedures, though, the second tiebreaker is division record, which would rank Baltimore and Houston (both 1.000) over New England (.750) That moves New England to the third seed. The tiebreaker between Houston and Baltimore then becomes head-to-head, giving Baltimore the No. 1 seed. Maybe someone can better explain why both sites list Houston as the No. 1 seed, but they both seem to be going on conference record, which is the third tiebreaker, and not applicable right now.)
4. Oakland Raiders
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Record: 7-4
- Remaining Games: at Miami, at Green Bay, vs. Detroit, at Kansas City, vs. San Diego
- Key Injuries: RB Darren McFadden, WR Jacoby Ford, WR Denarius Moore, RB Taiwan Jones
Perhaps the most injury-depleted team in the playoff hunt, the Raiders are still winning games. Moore and Jones may have added a little bit to Oakland's offense - that got six field goals from Sebastian Janikowski in a 25-20 win over Chicago in Week 12 - but the Raiders got enough big plays on a stout Bears defense to pull out a big win. The big factor for Oakland's push for a division title is the absence of McFadden. Oakland becomes one of the most complete teams in the AFC when he returns from a foot injury that's sidelined him since October.
5. Pittsburgh Steelers
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Record: 8-3
- Remaining Games: vs. Cincinnati, vs. Cleveland, at San Francisco, vs. St. Louis, at Cleveland
- Key Injuries: SS Troy Polamalu, OLB LaMarr Woodley
Polamalu's alleged concussion came early in the Steelers' Week 12 win at Kansas City when he hit back-up OT Steve Maneri's knee head-first. He appeared to lose consciousness for a second after the hit was made, but he walked off the field under his own power. He did not return to the game, however, and that could be a major issue for the Steelers as they prepare for the home stretch. Steelers C Maurkice Pouncey left the game with an illness as well. His status is unknown.
The Steelers schedule gets wonky from this point on; after the huge showdown with Cincinnati (nearly a make-or-break game for both teams), they have a short week to prepare for a Thursday night Week 14 game against Cleveland. Then they travel cross-country for a Monday Night game at San Francisco, they'll probably land back in Pittsburgh early Tuesday morning after a red-eye flight to begin preparing for another short week game on Saturday against St. Louis. They end the season with a tough road game at Cleveland. Health will be critical for the Steelers, who likely will get Woodley back against the Bengals.
6. Cincinnati Bengals
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Record: 7-4
- Remaining Games: at Pittsburgh, vs. Houston, at St. Louis, vs. Arizona, vs. Baltimore
- Key Injuries: WR Jerome Simpson, SS Chris Crocker
The news surrounding the Bengals is more about who they got back from injury as opposed to who was hurt. A.J. Green came up with a huge catch at the end of the Bengals' comeback 23-20 win over Cleveland in Week 12. No word yet on whether Simpson or Crocker - both left Sunday's game - sustained serious injuries, but Cincinnati is arguably the most resilient team in the AFC. The win over the Browns marked the fifth time this year the Bengals have come back from a 10 point deficit to win a game this year.
7. Denver Broncos
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Record: 6-5
- Remaining Games: at Minnesota, vs. Chicago, vs. New England, at Buffalo, vs. Kansas City
- Key Injuries: CB/KR Cassius Vaughn
Vaughn fractured his leg on the game's opening kickoff, and will likely keep him out for the rest of the year. The Broncos only suited up 52 players - and just two quarterbacks - in their 16-13 win over San Diego in Week 12. The Broncos elected not to sign a replacement for QB Kyle Orton, whom they cut last week. It's expected that practice squad QB Adam Weber will be signed to the active roster this week. Other than that, the Broncos don't appear to have many injuries. With a defense that's allowed no more than 17 points in the past four games, they appear to be peaking at the right time.
8. New York Jets
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Record: 6-5
- Remaining Games: at Washington, vs. Kansas City, at Philadelphia, vs. New York Giants, at Miami
- Key Injuries: DE Mike DeVito
DeVito left the Jets' 28-24 Week 12 win over Buffalo with a knee injury - the same injury he's been battling since Week 7. He missed two games earlier this season. That could be critical to the Jets playoff chances, which are circling the drain even with the win over the Bills.
9. Tennessee Titans
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Record: 6-5
- Remaining Games: at Buffalo, vs. New Orleans, at Indianapolis, vs. Jacksonville, at Houston
- Key Injuries: LB Barrett Ruud
Some Titans fans may not even have a problem with Ruud's absence. Rookie Colin McCarthy is playing strong defensive football, and led the Titans with 10 tackles. He had the game-winning interception as the Titans kept their playoff hopes alive with a 23-17 win over the Buccaneers in Tampa in Week 12.
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Texans have just played more conference games if both teams won out we would have the edge because we beat them H2H.
On Ed Reed:
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I added asterisks and this explanation:
“both NFL.com and ESPN.com list the top three seeds as Houston, New England and Baltimore, respectively. Baltimore defeated Houston, but since Houston and New England haven’t played each other, the first tiebreaker, head-to-head records, is eliminated. According to NFL.com’s tiebreaking procedures, though, the second tiebreaker is division record, which would rank Baltimore and Houston (both 1.000) over New England (.750) That moves New England to the third seed. The tiebreaker between Houston and Baltimore then becomes head-to-head, giving Baltimore the No. 1 seed. Maybe someone can better explain why both sites list Houston as the No. 1 seed, but they both seem to be going on conference record, which is the third tiebreaker, and not applicable right now.”
I really hate these things. I’m just gonna stick with this for now, cuz seedings after Week 12 mean nothing anyway. The point is just going over injuries.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Tiebreaker
There are 4 teams with 8-3 record
1. reduce to 1 team per division with division tiebreaker – PIT out
2. Best record in Conference orders the teams left HOU-NE-BAL based on Conf win % to date
by Steely McSmash on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
According to NFL.com, though, it’s not conference record, it’s divisional record. I very well could be misinterpreting this, so someone help me out here:
http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). (*this is eliminated because they haven’t all played each other).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. (New England is eliminated…and according to the note above, if two teams are tied after one of these tiebreakers, it reverts to Step 1 of the two-club format.
Two Clubs
Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
So Baltimore is 1, Houston is 2, New England is 3.
I really don’t know why I care about this. Back to Game Notebook story…
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Here you go
From NFL.com tiebreaking procedures:
You first need to look under OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES and step 3 gives you the following:
To determine home-field priority among division-titlists, apply Wild Card tie-breakers.
You then need to head to that section:
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Step one is used to help determine the top seed within each division It is not used to actually seed those teams.
Division records would not be used as a tiebreaker because there is no commonality at all between the opponents played.
Sorry
That looks really messy. Let me summarize. Divisional records are not used to break tiebreakers amongst teams from different divisions because there are NO common opponents. The divisional records are only used to break ties amongst teams within the same division. Once the top teams in each divison are identified the top two criteria then becomes:
1. Head to head (if any team has swept the others they get the seed)
2. Conference record
Hope that clears things up.
AHA!
You’re right, good call.
It’s convoluted as hell (division winners use the wildcard tie breaker, but wildcard teams use the divisional tie breaker), but you’re right, it IS conference record.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed
Good second explanation above, by King Coebrea.
How weird is it that there’s a reasonable possibility that the Patriots and Ravens, who tend to play each other a lot on wild card weekend, will possibly clinch the two first-round byes this year?
If Houston had a QB (and Mario Williams, and a healthier Johnson) I would give them the nod. As it, I think the Patriots are playing the best football right now, and BAL is likely to only stumble once more. Steelers get the WC, Bengals probably do not get the other.
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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 28, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
WC
I think the Steelers and Bengals get the two WCs. I don’t see the Broncos or Jets catching them.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
I def don't see the Broncos doing it
But I retain a sneaking (and irritated) suspicion that the Jets may once again sneak into the playoffs, after underwhelming during the season.
I agree with you that the math looks like the Bengals, but I chalk them for at least two more losses (Pitt and BAL), and keep feeling like someone is going to leapfrog them.
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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 29, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
You forgot Mario Williams for Houston
He’s a pretty big loss – he was killing it this year. I know Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed played well last night, but that was pretty fluky.
It’s meant to be more current – as in relative to the last week or so. Houston has had plenty of time to adjust to life without Williams. Clearly, a defense isn’t going to be as good without a guy of his caliber, but we’ve “moved on,” in a sense.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, gotcha
Also, I should have mentioned that this is a good idea for an article, well done.
Pouncey
Pouncey basically got a week off for nagging injuries to heal. If he really just had a virus, this will become a positive.
by ballparkfranks on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
As did Woodley. Unfortunately, though, Pouncey going out means Kemoeatu has to go back in, which defeated the whole point of benching him in the first place. You’ll notice our yards per carry was in the toilet again, and it was against a team that can’t stop the run well.
Mendenhall was running hard, I wish he had some more help.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I am constantly second guessing what the deal is
with Mendy.
I don’t mean that as a criticism; I like him, and think he’s probably a bit under-rated. But there are times where it constantly looks like he is ABOUT to do something awesome, and then doesn’t quite get there. I think last night was one of those games, as you pointed out, where with a LITTLE more help, he would have shown just how good he can be.
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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 28, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
(*both NFL.com and ESPN.com list the top three seeds as Houston, New England and Baltimore, respectively. Baltimore defeated Houston, but since Houston and New England haven’t played each other, the first tiebreaker, head-to-head records, is eliminated. According to NFL.com’s tiebreaking procedures, though, the second tiebreaker is division record, which would rank Baltimore and Houston (both 1.000) over New England (.750) That moves New England to the third seed. The tiebreaker between Houston and Baltimore then becomes head-to-head, giving Baltimore the No. 1 seed. Maybe someone can better explain why both sites list Houston as the No. 1 seed, but they both seem to be going on conference record, which is the third tiebreaker, and not applicable right now.)
You and me both man. I have seen and heard a bunch of people say that if Baltimore wins out, we are the 1 seed. But then I see on NFL.com them saying that right now, we are the 3 seed. Don’t really get it.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I’m pretty certain I’m right (Baltimore 1, Houston 2, New England 3). My guess is NFL.com posted it, and ESPN.com copied it, trusting the league knows and understands its own rules. Whomever is publishing the standings at ESPN.com must not follow the NFL.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
You are right, I just ran through everything. If Baltimore wins out, we are the #1 seed. And my guess is that Houston isn’t going to win out with TJ Yates at QB….
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Correct
However, the current AFC standings do not factor in prognostications of future performance. IF the playoffs started right now Houston would be the #1 seed due to their 7-2 conference record. New England at 6-2 would be #2 and Baltimore at 5-2 would be #3.
UPDATE
We’re wrong, it IS conference record. If the playoffs ended today, Houston is 1, New England is 2 and Baltimore is 3.
BUT…
If they all win out out, Baltimore will have the No. 1 seed by virtue of a perfect divisional record (eliminating NE) and a head-to-head win over Houston.
Houston would be No. 2 due to a perfect divisional record.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite
You seem hell bent on wanting to include divisional records as a criteria but it is not. Thought we’d already cleared that up (I’m just messing with you – no offense I hope). Should all 3 teams win out (none will – Pats most likely) then the next criteria becomes record vs. common opponents, and I’m not sure who wins that at this juncture and I’m too lazy to work it out right now. Maybe in a few weeks when the picture gets a little clearer.
I thought divisional records comes after conference records.
Nevermind, don’t respond, I quit. D-U-N, done.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
Pats most likely to win out, sadly.
BAL stumbles once more; not sure if it’s to a surly Browns team looking to play spoiler, or to a Cincy team trying to grab the last wild card.
Houston will make it to the dance, but they’ve lost too many important players to dominate the last 1/3rd of the season, or to win once they get there in January. I see them falling to #3 if not #4, at this point.
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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 28, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't looked at their remaining games
but I have been wondering if the Titans can catch and eliminate the Texans. If that happens we could see the Texans out of the playoffs.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 29, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
baltimore has 2 afc losses
New england has 2 afc losses too..
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by nycsteelerfan on Nov 28, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Malor
Mike Wallace’s drop last night reminded me of a Limas Sweed drop. Notice that I am not saying they are the exact same person.
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BLASPHEMY!
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
It kind of reminded me of Torrey Smith
Except without the five PI calls in crucial situations.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Steeler fans complaining about the refs = lulz for me.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Ravens fans complaining about Steelers fans complaining about refs= Irony on several levels
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You think it bothers me that you are upset about some PI calls that didn’t go your way? You wild’n son.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Complaining probably wasn't the best word to use
But it’s still the height of irony.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ravens would be 4-7 if not for the refs giving them the last 4 games. Still gonna get bounced in January, Flacco just isn’t consistent or good enough to get it done.
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Ravens would be 4-7 if not for the refs giving them the last 4 games.
Damn, they have helped us THAT much? I need to take the purple glasses off obviously.
Flacco just isn’t consistent or good enough to get it done.
Funny to hear Steeler fans say this after Flacco has been the only QB this season to throw for 3 TD’s on you defense, pass for 300 yards on your defense, and lead an offense that scored more than 21 points on your defense…..TWICE!!!!
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Matt Moore has thrown 3 td's in a game....
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Every time someone says something about Flacco and his inconsistency or average play, you come back with, “But he did good against Pittsburgh herppa derrrpppp!”, which only furthers our belief that playing us is like your Super Bowl. But keep it up, it’s pretty damn funny.
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by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
No, I’m mocking Malor for not understanding that the comparison is not saying Torrey is doomed to be Sweed. I fully agree that his body control is terrible.
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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Malor is fun to mock…so is Smith. Get that boy to calm down, he’s acting like his kid is being held hostage and they’ll kill him if he doesn’t score on every play.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Me or Smith?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Smith
He is young and will likely get better.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 29, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Snatched this from Arrowhead Pride

awww yeah. “all you bitches, take my block”
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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 1:27 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
That is the same thing Brady Quinn did to Suggs and Suggs almost rang him by his neck.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I remember that
It was the most impressive thing I’ve ever seen Quinn do on an NFL field. Not bright, but impressive.
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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 28, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, the injuries to Schaub and Leinart make the Steelers, Ravens, and Pats the only real contenders in the AFC
And contrary to popular opinion, all three would have a good chance against GB in the Super Bowl.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:29 PM EST reply actions
I think the Packers would annihilate the Packers. I thought our secondary was decent last year and look what Rodgers did to them. The Pats secondary is putrid. Rodgers would set SB records.
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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, Pats-Packers would be a shootout
That’s probbaly the league’s dream matchup for ratings, but GB’s D isn’t good enough for the Packers to blow out any teams with a good offense.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand how the Packers D is so bad this year. They didn’t lose anyone, right? 25th in NY/A and 29th in Y/Rush. They are good at forcing turnovers though. That’s not bad.
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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe because Rodgers and crew are just dominating on offense, that it doesn’t force their defense to have to play so tight. When you are up 23 points midway through the 3rd quarter, it doesn’t seem so bad if the other team goes on a 90 yard scoring drive as long as it is 6 or 7 minutes long.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
It’s easy to say that, but I’m not sure how accurate that is. They’ve slammed the door on some teams (Denver and the second Minnesota game), but they’ve let teams hang around too (first Minnesota game, Tampa, San Diego). I think their defense just gives up big plays. Much of that is caused by the fact teams know they need to make big plays to beat them, whether the Packers have put points on the board already or not.
Many of those big plays are caused by the fact their corners gamble a ton, and aren’t right all the time. They get picks, but they give up big plays too. At the same time, I’d gamble if I were them, cuz all you’re betting on, essentially, is the offense will pick the defense up if they get scored on. Seems like a safe bet.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed and good explanation
I get the feeling that teams try more “let’s see if this works!” stuff against the Packers out of desperation, and being behind. I would also guess that, because it DOES work some of the time, that explains part of their less impressive defensive stats.
But, I also get the feeling, and have all season, that their DB’s are gambling more this season BECAUSE they know their offense can bail them out, so they have more turnovers, but also more yards and points allowed against them. They actually look a ton like the 2009 Saints, in that regard.
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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 28, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Turnovers are streaky
They got a lot in the playoffs last year. I’m not sure they’ll be so lucky again. And they did lose Nick Barnett and Cullen Jenkins(And Collins to injury).
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

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by John Stephens on Nov 29, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Packers would annihilate the Packers
I don’t know about that, I might have to go with the Packers on that one. We are just in disagreement I guess…
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Har har
I think the Packers would annihilate thePackersPatriots
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by John Stephens on Nov 28, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding?!? There’s no way the Packers are gonna beat the Packers! Packers by two touchdowns, easy.
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Or, you might say...
…the Packers beating themselves
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 29, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Steelers secondary
Was not so great last year, and Troy was playing hurt. They didn’t have the training or the personnel to go man to man.
I’d love a rematch, but I think the NFL might have something to say about that.
Wallace will start catching everything again. But a few off games could make him signable for a reasonable 9-10 mill per year
I would love to see Wallace catch every long-bomb near him— next year. Mike is worth a massive contract, but just to keep him considering $$’s that are fair and good for the team, a few 3 catch, 50 yard games are OK. Until the playoffs. The Steelers do not need Mike thinking about Larry Fitzgerald numbers.
You think his recent lack of production DROPS his likely contract to $9 or $10 million a year? I want you to be my agent then!
He’s disappeared the last few games, his numbers are evening out and now he’s got a guy in the division putting up the same deep numbers he has been. If anything, his value has gone down to mid-level WR money ($7 mil per).
by Neal Coolong on Nov 28, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
12-4
With our injuries and our recent primetime road games performance I would see us losing to SF. That leaves us with a 12-4 record, good for a 5th seed.
NE is getting the first seed no doubt about that. There is no QB left who can throw for 50 times and shred their defense. Ravens will #2.
1. Pats.
2. Ravens.
3. AFC South.
4. AFC West.
5. Steelers.
6. Bengals.
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I agree with all of that
Steelers are my second favorite team in the league, but I grew up in CA in the 80’s, when the Niners were the best team in professional sports. Going to that Monday night game, and excited as all hell for it.
As to your rankings, yup. Texans will hold onto the division by virtue of their record, but will lose in January. Raiders will take the West. Steelers in the 5 spot at 12-4, and I just can’t shake the feeling that the Bengals won’t be able to hold onto the last Wild Card. Though it pains me, I am starting to suspect the Jets will find a way to nab it, sadly.
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by lottwasgangsta on Nov 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Crap
Schefter reporting that Polamalu could be out for a while with a head injury.
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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
There goes your season. You guys are a .500 team without him, stats prove it.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Steelers might still make the playoffs but of course have no chance to win the SB
but neither do the Ravens.
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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
stats also proved at one point
that Tom Brady would always carve our defense up.
Stats also prove that Flacco is in fact “average Joe”
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Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
What a crock of shit lol, go look at Flaccid’s stats for THIS SEASON.
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2,700 yards, 13 TD’s, 8 ints. I’ll take it right now. Still bitter over that sweep babe?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
You forgot to mention his completion percentage
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
And his QB rating
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
8 wins?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Alex Smith has 9
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Smith > Ben I guess then.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
By your arguments, he is
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 28, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's not baseball, it's a team sport
Wins are a part of It. I want to see comebacks,3rd down efficiency, and intangibles.
By that I would rank for this year at present:
Rogers
Brady
Brees
Ben
Dalton
Romo
Flacco
Manning
Bradford
Te ow yes tebow
Impose your will.
I heard it's a very mild concussion.
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