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Ravens Seize Control of 1st Place in AFC with Thrilling 23-20 Win over Steelers

PITTSBURGH, PA - NOVEMBER 6:   Torrey Smith #82 of the Baltimore Ravens celebrates after catching a touchdown pass with Anquan Boldin #81 against the Pittsburgh Steelers during the game on November 6, 2011 at Heinz Field in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  The Ravens defeated the Steelers 23-20.  (Photo by Justin K. Aller/Getty Images)

Tons to talk about in the aftermath of the Pittsburgh Steelers' 23-20 Week 9 loss to the Baltimore Ravens, but a few quick-hitting talking points to begin the conversation.

  • Firstly, congratulations to the Baltimore Ravens on the win. That was a great football game. The Steelers really were overmatched heading into the contest, and their personnel deficiencies manifested themselves at various points throughout the game. As they have done so many times before, the Steelers came up huge in the second half, putting the pressure squarely on Joe Flacco and the Ravens in the final minutes after Baltimore had controlled the flow of the game all evening. Finally though, Flacco and the Ravens delivered the final punch with a 92-yard touchdown drive to win it in the final seconds.
  • Welcome back James Harrison! 3 sacks and 1 forced fumble in No. 92's first game back in a month. LaMarr Woodley has been outstanding this past month in Harrison's absence, but Deebo's presence on Sunday night was a clear reminder of how dominant and disruptive he is.
  • Bad mistake by Ryan Clark on the game-winning touchdown pass to Torrey Smith. Clark though played great football all night, so I personally think it's unfair to pile on the team's leading tackler for the inopportune error.
  • There's no denying that William Gay has played sound football for much of this season, but in numerous one-on-one situations against Ravens wide receivers, Gay was beaten regularly. More on the play of the secondary later.
  • 14-of-21 on 3rd down., Talk about efficiency for the Ravens. Definitely be concerned if you're a Steelers fan, but also realize that sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the opposition. I saw nothing from the Steelers defense really that makes me overly concerned about how they'll hold up down the stretch.
  • AWESOME job by the Steelers' offensive line. More on this later, but man did Sean Kugler's men play well up front. Roethlisberger was sacked just once and had a comfortable pocket to operate all evening. Give the OL an A for their efforts in Week 9.
  • I'm sure we'll touch on some of the other points of this game all week -- from the officiating, to the clock management to this or that else -- but the bottom line in my mind is that we're cheering for a Steelers team this year that's got all the pieces to make a return trip to the Super Bowl. On last week's Thursday podcast, I said I thought the Steelers would meet the New York Jets in the AFC Championship again this January, and after Sunday's developments, I'm perfectly comfortable sticking with that. Kudos to the Ravens for one hard-fought win for now; here's to hoping we'll get to see if they can complete the hat trick in January and finally get over the hump when the marbles are really at stake.

Fabulous, fabulous football game -- a perfect example of why we tune in and care so much each and every week.

Go Steelers!

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The game was lost when...

The Steelers did not run the ball on 1st down to get the clock going on their last possession. Then they dropped two passes. Cotch did convert on 3rd, but then the ST penalty killed a FG try after the next set of downs. This was the series that killed the Steelers. If an extra 20 seconds comes off the clock or a FG is made, they go to OT worst case. If they do both, then the game is pretty much over barring a miracle.

by SteelheadOH on Nov 7, 2011 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

mr derp could have...you know...caught the ball

just like the super bowl…dumb ass has no idea where he is…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

it was right in his hands..

but…you know Johnson in big games…it’s a trend

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta give Ozzie Newsome credit ...

He built a team in the offseason that can beat the Steelers. Now, it’s time for Kevin Colbert to go back to the drawing board and build a Steelers team that can get this division back. Other quick thoughts:

- The Steelers are a family organization but they will have to make some hard decisions in the offseason to be better than the Ravens going forward, and that means cutting a lot of veterans who have contributed to the team’s success over the years – Hines Ward, Farrior, Ryan Clark. Bryant McFadden is an easy cut and they might have to cut Casey Hampton or ask him to take a pay cut at the least. Gotta prepare for this next window of opportunity as Big Ben is in his prime.

- There are lies, damn lies and statistics. The statistic that the STeelers have the no. 1 pass defense in the league is a statistic that lies. The no. 1 pass D in the league does not let a team go 92 yards through the air with 2 and a half minutes left to lose a critical game. Ike and Gay really struggled on that drive and throughout most of the game. Bottom line, this game was lost by the Steelers defense on third downs. Gotta get off the field.

- On the flip side, can our offensive line play much better than it did against the Ravens? When is the last time this team has given up one sack against the Ravens, opened up running room for Mendy and consistently gave Big Ben time to throw? Starks showed why the Steelers need to sign him to a two-year contract at the end of the season. He did a fantastic job on Suggs all night.

- If you are the Steelers, you better get a CB in there that can run with Torrey Smith. I think that Keenan Lewis and Cortez Allen can, but will they be ready to do that as a starter if the two teams meet for a third time this year? Gay has played better this year but his play and that of Ike was below the line today, as was the whole D’s 3rd down D.

- Deebo played like Deebo. What a game! A healthy Deebo and Lamarr Woodley are game changers on the pass rush. I still think the Steelers need to draft Deebo’s replacement early this year if not in the first round because we all see the drop off when either is not on the field. Our CB’s get exposed.

- I have no problem leaving Larry Foote in the starting lineup over James Farrior. He is playing good football and Farrior has lost two steps. Lawrence Timmons has been disappointing this year. There are a quite a good ILB’s coming out this year, so the Steelers might address this area in the first round.

- I’ve seen where a lot of people are giving Tomlin hell for not kicking a 47-yard field goal at the end of the game with Suan Suisham. Are you kidding me? I thought the 5-yard penalty forcing the Steelers out of field goal range was going to SAVE the game for the Steelers. I want to see a show of hands for everyone who thought Suisham was going to make that. Yep, that is what I thought.

- I don’t blame the Steelers for trying to use the passing game to run out the clock at the end. That ball was right in David Johnson’s hands. He HAS to make that catch. Still, I’d take having to make Flacco go 92 yards with a little more than 2 minutes left to score a TD. Like the whole game, the D couldn’t get off the field.

- There is still a lot of football left and a lot to like about this team. The young WR corps is exciting, Ben is playing well, the OL is gelling, our young DB’s offer some hope for the future and hopefully the team will be able to put a healthy Lamarr Woodley and Deebo on the field at the same time. You just have to tip your hat to Ozzie 4 building a team that made all of that moot for the regular season. Kevin Colbert, it’s your move next.

by datruth4life2.0 on Nov 7, 2011 6:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

good commentary

Even better game. Thanks for a great rivalry you guys.

TO BILL BRASKY!!!

by jackmca on Nov 7, 2011 6:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was furious that throughout the game Gay remained on Smith

when you have a young guy in Keenan Lewis who is finally showing what he can do and has proven to be able to run with a fast guy (Wallace). That they didn’t change that throughout the game was fatal… Great points truth

by Simonsen on Nov 7, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

the coverage rotated, flacco was targeting gay’s receiver all night, while not being scared to test ike.

by klompus on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

true

but Gay seemed to be on Smith more than anyone else… maybe it just looked like that because the others had better coverage on him. but then, why not keep the better coverage (i.e. Lewis, Ike needed to stay on Boldin) on him?

by Simonsen on Nov 7, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 on the 5 yard penalty and punting

I felt confident that our D would be able to stop them from driving 92 yards. But can’t win em all i guess

by mtsnot on Nov 7, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Re Foote

Agree on Foote. Has been playing solid football.

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by Pittsblitz56 on Nov 7, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Game

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Nov 7, 2011 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

Same to you MaLoR

enjoy this night man. Hopefully we meet again in January.

by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Nov 7, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Congrats, Malor -

see you in January, I trust.

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 7, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for a great, well-balanced assessment, Michael.

Everybody wants to find a goat, but sometimes the other team is just overall that little bit better. As you said, we were just a little bit overmatched on defense. But it was certainly heartening to see the offensive line play such a fantastic game. Suggs did a lot of damage, but it was almost all on one play.

On to Cincy, to at least take back 2nd place…

"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 7, 2011 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

I hope you are right, Rebecca!

Cindy will tell us a little more about the character of this team. Whether we are more like 2008….or more like 2009. But the team’s play does not fill me with confidence

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Nov 7, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

the two best teams

in the AFC are the Ravens and the Steelers. The team that gets home field advantage will go on to the super bowl.

by woldemariam on Nov 7, 2011 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

You mean WE did it on the road in 2005

THe Packers just copied us

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by John Stephens on Nov 7, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

thats right

I just remembered that and was going to make an addition

by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 7, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I love your optimism, Michael!

I wish I had it! I am not feeling so good about this team…completely out-played by the Ratbirds twice. You can’t think too highly of a defense that allows a 92 yard drive to lose the game. And you are correct about poor clock management and some questionable calls. I can’t argue about the two helmet-to- helmet calls on the Steelers, but why no calls on Lewis or McClain? They better get fined or I will believe CONSPIRACY.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Nov 7, 2011 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

completely out played?

What game were you watching? When was the last time you had a good feeling about our Steelers, 1979?

by steeler fever on Nov 7, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

for me, it was last week...probably the last time for the year...

losses…i can take…getting embarrassed by the dirty bird once, then following it up with this…. can’t say too much about that

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Last year, actually!

What inspired you about today? Our running game? Our defense…Harrison excepted, of course? Boldin beat Ike like a drum! First poor game from him this year, unfortunately. Harrison was inspired…everybody else was average. On offense the line gave Ben a lot of time comparatively, but we were still too inconsistent.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Pogo (1970)

by Andy34 on Nov 7, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I was inspired by our play

on both sides of the ball. This was a woulda, coulda, shoulda loss for the Steelers. We are better than them and if you couldn’t tell that by watching the game, I can’t help ya!

by steeler fever on Nov 7, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

ok..i already asked someone else..

but can i have some of your optimism juice?
it obviously breaks right through reality..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

reality what?

can i just have some optimism juice?
i mean yea..it wasn’t the Jaguars…but still..that’s how you respond to being humiliated? a team dancing around on the benches like they won the super bowl..rubbing your nose in it all game…and this is how we respond?

yeah…no playoffs this year

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh my holy God

Were making the playoffs this year. And yeah we lost to our rivals tonight and you know how you respond to that? By kicking the shit out of your other rival next week?

That’s not optimism, that a reality.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

lol..sure..

just like they should have tonight right>?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

They almost did

A few things going our way and we this game.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

almost....

in the words of Dana Carvey imitating George Bush..

“not gonna do it… not gonna do it, would not be prudent”

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Just saying a few things going our way and the game is ours

This wasn’t week 1

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

ok..i understand that

but a few things going any teams way and things are different.
the result is all that matters, ever.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

frank you’re crazy dude. we’re one of the top two, three or four teams in football.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 7, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

you may be right

i may be crazy
but it just might be a lunatic you’re looking for

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Billy is helping me through this right now.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

any particular track?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

wow

obviously no need to try to talk reason into you right now.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 7, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

dude..it's a song..i was making a joke..sorry...geez

i just believe this is being realistic.
yes..i expect the super bowl every year while we actually have a good quarterback. I don’t want to Barry Sanders Big Ben…getting embarrassed twice by the dirty birds is the worst possible outcome for a season. period

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think I need to explain myself further

I think I just did that.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

well, chicken little is a cartoon character

and as far as i know, he’s not known for pointing out realities of his favorite football team…so yes…you do need to explain

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, from definitions.net
1. (noun) Chicken Little
a fictional character who was hit on the head with an acorn and believed that the sky was falling

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i've heard of chicken little...

was not aware of the story..no…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 4:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Your a lunatic alright, i'll grant you that.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

so...you got anything to add?

besides blind faith?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean realism?

Not right now, maybe in a few minutes.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

what is the realism?

that we “might” have won or ’almost" won? wtf is that?
the reality is…the big bully that B..ch slapped our team in week one responded by doing whatever it is they did tonight.

what is the realism? please share

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

They bitchslapped us in week 1

I don’t recall at all in this game getting bitchslapped at all. The reality is, they know how to come back from resilance, that is what will happen when they play the Bangals and they know how to win games. That’s realism

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

so..if i bitchslap you...

what you are going to come back with is a standard fight between us? are you going to come back soft as pudding like that?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

If we are closely matched

and I get bitch slapped…I’m gonna give it my all. If my all comes up short by just a little bit I’m not gonna think I’m a horrible fighter….just that I bobbed when I should’ve weaved.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If you bitchslapped me

I’ll kick your ass six way to sundays

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, exactly, because you most likely have heart, and pride

you wouldn’t come out like the Steelers did tonight…get gouged, obviously they made a game of it, but that was pretty ugly

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes losing by a few points is ugly

Wrong, what happen in week 1 was ugly. There’s a difference.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

yes...

but then following it up with what happened tonight…just as ugly…might as well have just laid down again

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't as ugly as how you make it out to be

Come playoffs when we face them we will beat them. Never underestimate the determination and character of this team.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

how are you so sure there will be playoffs?

because they have in the past?
check the record in post super bowl years….

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I am sure there make the playoffs

I’m very confident they can beat most of the teams they have left.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

determination and character?

lol…didn’t see any of that tonight…not even a little bit

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It was there with most of the team

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

dude..

i am the most optimistic fan on the planet (well second, i’m not blindly optimistic like some)
this game was telling. it is foreshadowing the rest of the season.
I don’t just say this crap all the time, i didn’t say a word after either of the other losses.
this is telling, this is the kind of team we have this year

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

This isn't relling at all

It’s one game where if one of two things went into our favor the game is our. This game dosen’tforeshadow anything.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

lol. ok

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Great response.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

what response do you expect from that?

you say it’s not telling?
when someone bitchslaps you, and that’s what you come back with….

that’s not telling? what is then?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect a response that's more than just a brush off of my post

That’s what I expect.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i hate to reference this movie

because it’s not a good one..
but in the 50 cent movie. The "boss’ tells a story about how he got some kid his chain back..because “in the hood, you lose your chain, you lose your balls”
the ravens just took our chains…again…that is telling sir
never in any successful Steeler season has this happened. and there’s a reason for that.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah a couple of things not going our way tonight

That’s one of the reasons right there.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

guess what?

 a couple of things going the Ravens way in the last 5 years, we are on a 16 game losing streak..
they stomped us…we haven’t done that to them in 5 years…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

16 game losing streak

We haven’t lost 16 in a row to them. And they haven’t stomped us in the last 5 years. Your getting misinfomation in that department.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

no..what i am saying is

if a “couple things” go Balts way, we could easily be on a 16 game losing streak to them.

those "couple things’ mean shit…it’s either a win or a loss.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

but were not on a 16 game losing streak to them

And were not owned by them. Those are facts you can’t get through your head.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

lol. sure...

see that’s why you get blow off responses, because that is what is deserved.
They have now SWEPT us in convincing fashion. if you want to bring up the past to justify your statement, fine…
the fact remains, they currently own us…
winning all of your games against a team in a year means you own them, what is hard to understand about that?

and yes…we are not on a 16 game losing streak to them. you know why? because almost doesn’t mean anything, at all, no matter how much you want it to. it doesn’t matter…
we are now another team’s bitch, period

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

true Frank

They do own us now, and that is the frustrating part. Last year we owned them, but for now, they own us. To me, this game was a must win more than last week. You have to win your division, PERIOD, if not, your riding the rest of the season on wildcard hopes.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't know why it's so hard for this kid to understand

the facts are facts, face em…they freaking own us..and it sucks…
i can’t see us winning the division now…and obviously the team didn’t think it was that important…

but a wild card isn’t out of the realm of possibility. but they definitely have to show something…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Kid? I'm not a kid

The fact remains is that they don’t own us and i’ve told you why.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

young man?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

agree

And obviously people on here have NO idea how important it is to BEAT divisional teams and win your division. And, yes, we are not going to win the division.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me but i'm not the one getting blow off responses from anyone

Don’t know where your getting that infomation. If anyone is getting blow off responses it’s you. Get what I deserve my foot, i’m not the one predicting the sky is going to fall like you are. I haven’t even been here long enough to get that type of treatment

I bring up the past because it’s important. In order for a team to own us they have to repeatly beat us year after year in the regular and postseason. One year dosen’t change a bit. The fact remains they do not own us. No losing to a team year after year mean they own us why can’t you understand that.

Were not the team’s bitch…period. You want to agrue about this all night go ahead

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry "brush off" was your quote...i apolgoize

I’m not predicting the sky is going to fall, i don’t even know what that means
what i am doing, is pointing out the very real fact that this team is soft, and going nowhere this season.
that is what has been shown this season, it’s not my opinion.

The past is not important, unless you are a historian..
the current season, is all that matters..
you can’t say “well we have a win from last year” and then get in a playoffs because of it. so..no it doesn’t matter
you have “told me why” but your reasoning was weak sauce..
they own us, because they swept us, convincingly…i don’t really know what else you need…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Saying the sky is going to fall

Means you do nothing but predict gloom and doom. This team is going somewhere this year. This team has a histoy of being able to bounce back and win games.

They don’t own us, if they won every game next year and beyond then maybe you have a point. But alot of what i’ve been telling you is not weak sauce.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

There going to bounce back from this and make the playoffs.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

There going to finish strong to end the season

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It can

The only I feel we may have a problem with is San Francisco, but I believe we can beat the Bengals and Browns twice and St. Louis at home.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Genius huh?

Well I don’t know about that, were only one game out with so many football games left to play. Anything can happen in this game.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

technically one game, but its really not with the tiebreaker

if the ravens and steelers end up with the same record, ie; 13-3, ravens are in and we are hoping for a wildcard

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

all i can..and all i've gathered from tonight

is you gotta believe…until you are mathematically eliminated…stranger things have happened…

F!!!!!!!!…(Mr Bean requested that i watch my E mouth…gotta do it)

hopefully we can take it out on the Been Gals next week

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes that's all you can do...hope

Believe me i’m doing alot of that these days. I’m hoping the Steelers can win next week. I’m hoping Sidney Crosby come back soom and kick ass on the ice. I’m hoping Manchester United can win the league and Europe. and i’m hoping the NBA lockout ends soon.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

would love to see Cid come back..

but they are doing well without him..so let him get fully healed…
still excited about this years Pens..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

They are doing well

But I believe they can do better with him in the lineup. They won’t need to grind out wins like what they been doing. I’m very excited about this years Pens as well. That’s why alot of people picked us to go all the way.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

they're going to "unleash hell"

that’s how we do

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

right...however

i don’t do that..I am doing it now, because when reality knocks on your door and smacks you in the face, you have no choice but to let it in…

THEY DO OWN US…THEY SWEPT THE SEASON

why is this so hard to understand?

this year ( the only year that matters) they are 2-0 (out of 2 possible games).
one was a complete domination

what else do you need?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

What else do I need?

I need them to do it for multiple years to make that opinion come true.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I will argue it, it's actually helping me

but you have to stop sounding like a broken record, and concede when you lose, those are my terms

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

And you don't think you sound like a broken record as well?

When you keep saying over and over were going nowwhere, they own us and we got bitchslapped. That’s sounding like a broken record as well.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

it's because you are having a hard time understanding

i don’t want to keep typing the same thing, but you keep making me do it.

we are currently property of the Ravens…the past means nothing…
that was last year, it doesn’t help our playoff positioning this year…it is irrelevant…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

You were typing the same things to other people tonight

In the previous thread. It didn’t start with me. You keep rsponding to me because were the only two talking in this thread.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh why thank you.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I've never seen you on here before

but like a beacon of hope, you appeared..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I come on here everyday

It just wasn’t until today I started to post regularly

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

i wasn't questiong you or anything.

just saying i hadn’t seen you..that’s all

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

wow...maybe i am getting drunk lol

*questioning

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

what are you drinking?

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I knew what you meant.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a stiff combination

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

i can tell you though

i hope you are right, not me…
and if so…you can bet your ass i’ll man up and tell you.
hopefully you post more in the future..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll remember that

I will be posting more in the future. I like you and I like the others here. I’ll be sticking around.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

good...sorry if i was rude

again, i do think i am right..but i hope you are…but either way, i appreciate you going through it with me lol….

Now i am laughing my ass off at my silliness…
i swear i am not normally like that..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

You weren't being rude

You were just in a heated debate with me, people say things they don’t normally mean. Espically if booze in involved.

No problem going through it with you. It was an instestring discussion.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, i am pathetic, and i care way too much

about how my football team does…don’t rub it in

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh that dosen't make you pathetic

That just makes you a fan. Getting emotion about games that dosen’t effect your personal life one way or another makes you a fan.

I’m the same way with all the teams I root for. Whatever it’s the Pens, Steelers, Manchester United, Erie Otters and Columbus Crew I always take it personally when we lose.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

i've gotten pissed over games before

but seriously…this is crazy…the games been over for how long now?

now i’m laughing, and as i said (wasn’t being sarcastic) i appreciate you going back and forth with me…it helped big time)

if that don’t make me pathetic..wanna know what does?

in 09, first game against the Bengals, my GF of 2 years was moving her stuff out to break up…
i was more concerned with her taking the futon so i couldn’t watch the game. Not that i’m always like that, i hated the b…but still…that’s all i cared about was losing to the bengals…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, i'm glad I helped you

That doen’t make you pathetic, that just means you needed someone to talk to.

About your ex, although out there all that does it make you a diehard fan. Your GF was leaving you for good, but the Steelers will never leave you and because of that you had a reason to be more concerned with that.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

lol good point...

like i said..she was a real B..i’m still recovering from the financial ruin she put me in…
Taking my money that i trusted her with to pay bills and buying cocaine…

i’m a sap though..i still loved her…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Coke?

Wow that’s some cold shit Frank. Don’t blame you for for fully recovering from it.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

well, she said she didn't do it

i’m a sucker, i take people at their word..
her runny nose was because she “gets sick a lot”
On top of that…she was violent when she drank…don’t even want to get in to that…i will say, i had to defend myself a few times..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Jesus that's terrible

Can’t blame you for being a sucker. You were in love and it can do crazy things to you.

Believe me i’m a sucker too, I keep coming back to the Bucs and Columbus Crew year after year.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry, I won't.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

for real man...keep on coming and posting...

you are a voice of reason..
good thing you said no hard feelings…
and thank you…i needed that…
lol.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Voice of reason? No one has ever said that to me

Outside of my family and teachers. I’m going to keep on posting here, like all the other SB blogs dedicated to Burgh teams, I like the people who post there and i’m going to keep on doing it.

Yeah no hard feeling man. It was a good discussion and at times people say things in debates they don’t mean. Glad I could help you out.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

See ya Frank!!

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

you are 100 percfent correct bradley

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by Michael Bean on Nov 7, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Michael.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

realism

Harrison played lights out ball after being considered “old slow and done”, the next time we play them will be with woodley AND Beast Mode Deebo as well as farrior in the middle. Plus, we didn’t have Hines Ward for most of the game (you think Hines drops that third down pass on the final drive? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit). The REALITY is that we lost this game on ONE FREAKING PLAY!!! If Ryan Clark had taken a proper angle on the pass, or Smith had been properly called for offensive pass interference, this game is OURS. Yes it is a bitter pill to swallow, but shit dude, we looked pretty damn good, and when we get the rest of our pieces back, we’re gonna be pretty damn great come playoff time

by NoVAPensFan on Nov 7, 2011 4:26 AM EST up reply actions  

we gotta have faith, faith, faith

Just thought i would add to the lyricism

by mtsnot on Nov 7, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

You and Andy are funny! LOL………..I am so glad I am not either one of yall!

What you call optimism, I call realism. What you call realism, I call pessimism. Thats the difference! Your glass is half empty, mine is half full.

Maybe see a psych or something? Are you negative about all things in your life or just the Steelers?

by steeler fever on Nov 7, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

i have to disagree with you. If your glass is half full, that means it was empty and you filled it
if ours is half empty, it’s because it was full and we drank out of it

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

you can't tell by watching the game...they fucking lost

that’s what matters…that’s their response to being shown up..
if i came up to you and bitch slapped you in front of your woman, are you going to come back and try to poke me with a stick?
you’d probably man up and do something, right?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

watch the language

lets keep the F bombs for the game threads

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by Michael Bean on Nov 7, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i will stop...

how come i’m the only one getting picked out though?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Because your the ones that keeps making the asanine posts

That’s why.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

asinine?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

You know exactly what I meant

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Adjective:
Extremely stupid or foolish.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

so..which statement did i make that would fit that description?

certainly can’t be proven one way or another right now.
in a few weeks, it can.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just telling you what it meant.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

But

Saying the Bengals are a better team would probably qualify.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

that has yet to be proven.

after next week, you may be able to say you’re right on this, and i will humbly admit to being wrong

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

I could agree it remains to be seen…but if you are asserting it as true without us having played them and based on their schedule so far I would say that is pretty off base.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

that is possible...and trust me i know i could be wrong

it just seems like they are riding high. it’s going to be a tough fight for second place.
i don’t think 10 or 11 wins will get us in this year.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's going to be tough at all

I can see up getting more than 11 victories this year.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

that means going 5-2...

with two games against the Bengals. and one against the 49ers…
I’d like to see it, i just can’t

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Andy Dalton

Is solid but hasn’t seen the confusion that LeBeau CAN put on rookie Qb’s. I definitely see Pitt winning both those, 2 vs Cle,…SF will be tough but I like our chances there as well. 12-4 seems legit.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

hope you're right..

also hope we don’t have to play the dirty birds should we make it. it’s obvious they own us now…
we are their little b ches

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Possibly

I would welcome that rematch. The situation gets too big for Flacco there…regular season has been easy for him. I can see Patriots beating them…and I DONT like playing them again.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

but..it didn't get too big for him this time

this is usually when he’s “supposed” to fold…he drove 92 yards in 2 minutes…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He did it last year too...

Then folded in the playoffs in the 2nd half and looked totally lost

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

but, as others have pointed out..the past don't matter

currently, he doesn’t fold…he gets it done..

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It's only one game and it's not the playoffs

The post season is a different beast and can make or break a player.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly like last year...

He did the same thing. There are just those guys that are really good in most situation except for really big spots…see Lebron.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

They don't own us at all

You be surprised what happen come playoff time and the two guys that were out tonight are in. It changes the scope of the game

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

a season sweep means they do

that’s what owning is…winning both match ups
injuries are not an excuse.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

No excuses..

I would just say that we’ll see, I like our chances EVEN in Balt

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

That's only one season

Owning us means they do that to us year after year like what we do to Cleveland.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't know...

not in football…getting swept by your most hated rival, without anything really good to show for it other than Big Ben…they own us as of now..they pretty much just won the division barring an epic collapse

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah in football

Just like in any team sport, you don’t get owned unless you beat your opponent numerous times year after year, that’s a fact.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

lots of Steeler fans seem to like to

go on past success…it means nothing.
Beating the dirty birds however many times means nothing, winning 6 means nothing…right now, they own us…we are nowhere near as good as a team that could only score one garbage time touchdown against the freaking jaguars…that’s a fact

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that's not a fact

That just your own opinion. The means means something about whatever you own a team or not. In order for them to own us they have to beat us numerous times year after year like what we do to Cleveland. That’s owning a team.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

really?

35-7, then let them steal the lead inside 2 minutes…
that is what the steelers used to do when they owned the rat birds…
now it’s the other way around…you can twist it how you want to, they own us, period

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

No your the one twisting your opinion to make it relevent

The fact remains they need to beat us multiple times over the years including playoff to make your opinion come true.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

no...that is the "Steeler fan way'

of going off past success…the current year, is the only one that matters.
they currently own us…period

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

They don't own us...perios

What matters in defining whatever a team owns another team is whatever they beat us numerous times over a period of years and that simply hasn’t happen.

That’s not the steelrs fan way, all teams do this.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

ok...if that's what you must tell yourself

they currently own us…they beat the crap out of us, then they snatched the victory in crunch time at our house…they own us.
i just hope we don’t have to play them in the playoffs…it will be ugly because it will be in their house

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

They don't currently own us and I have told you why

We may have to play them intheir house but when we have have Hines and Woodley back and the drive to win in the playoffs it won’t be ugly for them.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You be amazed how much two players make a difference

Woodley espically. He was one of the main reasons we beat NE.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

ok..use the injury excuse..

it worked for the Packers last year

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Teams are different.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The Packers still has very good players in their lineup

Such as Clay Mathews and Charles Woodson to name a few.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

so the Steelers don't?

not sure i follow excuses are for Seahawk or Raven fans…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

what about one of the top CB's in the game?

what about one of the best LB’s in the game?
what about a top 3 TE in the game? what about a top 10-15 running back?

yeah..the Packers got to claim ALL of that last year.

Woodley is not what we live or die on…
that’s an excuse, and an invalid one

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

again...owning is relevant to the current season

the rest is history, therefor irrelevant

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

No it all matters

they have to beat us numerous times year after year like what we do to Cleveland. That’s owning a team.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

no...the current season...is all that matters

the rest, as they say..is history

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

No the current season dosen't just matter

You have to include the past as well. In order for a team to own us they have to beat us numerous times year after year like what we do to Cleveland. That’s owning a team.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to include it all

You can’t make that opinion based off of two games.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

how many times do the teams play each other in a season?

2? right…
how many games would you prefer?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

True dat...but

at all time of 10-10 I don’t see an ownership. If Flacco does it to them in the playoffs, I’ll forget my judgement but for now…he needs to show me in the playoffs.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

i meant to respond to Bradley with that..

i appreciate you filling me in :) So, what Billy track? or were you joshing me?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

You may be right

The one you were quoting :)

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

lol...

good tunes!

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I would say both.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

how come i’m the only one getting picked out though

Really? You actually have to ask? Dude, step away from the PC. Really. Just stop posting. You are more annoying to me than our loss was, and that’s saying something.

One of the great disappointments of a football game is that the cheerleaders never seem to get injured.

by samliam on Nov 7, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

agree with you

And the worst part was, ,the raisens didnt even have to use a timeout. a minute something in the game, 92 yards to go and they score. That is pitiful. Good teams loose games like today, great teams finish when they have too. The Steelers could of put the game away on the last drive and THEY DIDNT!!!. The last drive the steelers had the ball was completely unexcuseable.

And yes, if Lewis doesnt get fined this week, there is a major conspiracy. Did anyone notice Collinsworth not say a word about the hit Lewis had, like ……well that should of been a penalty, But when Clark had the hit………..Collinsworth……Ah, yeah, your going to get called for that everytime now in this league. Where was he when Lewis took of Ward’s head?

Same thing happened last year if people remember. Cant remember who it was, but it was on Heath Miller, initially, no penalty, but during the week, the person did get fined. Was it suggs? Not sure. We lost Miller for several games due to that concussion.

Did anyone also question the two calls on the catches Boldin made or didnt make. The first, before the half that was called back as a no catch. He juggled it and then going to the ground the ball hit the ground. The second, was the second half where he dove for the ball and same type of catch bascially trapping and the ball hitting the ground, and that was a catch. I just dont see how? these were two of the same non catches and they called one a catch and one not? Unreal. Makes you wonder if Goodell made the halftime phone call?

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys are one of the most storied and profitable franchises in the league and you actually think the commissioner is conspiring against you to help Ray Lewis? What?

You’re just as blind and homerish as the Ravens fans who think your last two superbowls were due to league conspiracies on your behalf.

Football is a great game but a difficult one to officiate. They missed a call on lewis, but he will definitely be fined just like he was when he took Ochocinco’s head off in 2009.

TO BILL BRASKY!!!

by jackmca on Nov 7, 2011 7:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lol, nice picture of brian wilson on gameday...

that dude cracks me up

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect they'll get fined

Lewis will protest, but I imagine the NFL will make it a point to treat him like they’ve treated everyone else.

Also, I’m sure this will be covered by everyone, but that hit that was called for unnecessary roughness was terrible and I say that as a Ravens fan. It was a helluva play. Nailed the TE right after he caught it, popped the ball out. Just lame that the rule undid it.

Great write-up, the coverage over here is always good. As many of the baltimore players said in post game interviews— see you in january.

by robgoose on Nov 7, 2011 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol i don’t think the TE thought the penalty ‘undid’ the hit. Technically by the rules today that’s a penatly & it was called correctly, & don’t get me started on all the bad/missed calls, but like you I still see that as an old school great hit to separate a receiver from the ball.

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by malaki on Nov 8, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep the faith Nation.

Congrats Raven on a hard fought victory……

Steelers may have lost the game but the season is a long way from lost! To me anyway, the Steelers looked like the better team today on both sides of the ball. We lost again, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t more talented and a better team. We did some boneheaded things in this game that cost us. But we will be back!

by steeler fever on Nov 7, 2011 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

i better see a 16-3 post this week

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by seton hall and steelers on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

more than likely………..

by steeler fever on Nov 7, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Besides, nothing would be sweeter than to knock the tweetybirds out in the playoffs…Again.

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by Tx_STEELER on Nov 7, 2011 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember...

Skyrim comes out on Friday. Use this knowledge to assuage the pain from this loss.

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by svenhoek on Nov 7, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

if only i could enjoy those types of games anymore...

i’m looking for anything right now…
i would play halo..but if i “Steeler” it…i might break my tv

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt7IeycKJKQ

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by svenhoek on Nov 7, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

no..i'm not doubting it's an awesome game

for some reason, i haven’t been able to get in to rpgs in a long time…i don’t know what it is
i used to freaking love them…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I feel you.

I can’t play traditional rpg’s like FF or Breath of Fire anymore, but Fallout 3 and Oblivion and Mass Effect are way different types. They’re sort of like a blend of GTA and FF with hint of choose your own adventure books. Way different from traditional ones.

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by svenhoek on Nov 7, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

true...

i tried playing the last elder scrolls game, and dragon age..i could see their greatness, i just couldn’t get into it…
i might have to bust out old school games i can treat like the steelers should have treated the dirty birds tonight….oh well

sorry. if you make joe flacco look good, you’re not a good team

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a fact!

Flacco is competent, but he is not good! However he didn’t make any mistakes ( I don’t think the strip sack was on him) and he led them down the field and into the end zone….dang it!

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by Andy34 on Nov 7, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

true

Don’t forget willie gay being willie gay…as usual…
all night long…just like old times..

here’s a riddle…if you have a player that consistently sucks…what do you do when he becomes a free agent?
you give him an extension…derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

agree frank

I texted my buddy just before the game and said Gay is going to have wholes in his shirt by the end of the night and he wil turn yellow, like the swiss cheese that he is.

Also, we couldnt stop boldin’s slant pass all night, 10 yard slant, how many catches did he catch off of this? Had to be 5-6.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Also..Johnson..

i don’t know if that guy is retarded or what…but does he ever know what’s going on?
Last year in the super bowl, the whole play that mendy fumbled…this year…
any time he gets face time…it’s embarrassing
give him an extension too!

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't remind me.

It’s funny. I’ve been waiting for Skyrim for five years but the last five days are the worst part.

by Riddlah. on Nov 7, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

wish my computer was fast enough,

oh well, guess i will have to wait to get a PS3 and then play it. It does come out on PS3, right?

by mtsnot on Nov 7, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That was a good game and I know the steelers lost but they played very hard .

The Ravens may see the steelers again in the playoff and if they do then Im sure it will be another good game to watch.

by jazz20 on Nov 7, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

This actually could be positive

if it gets the dumb ass coaches to stop running that fucking quick screen, which everyone knows when it’s coming, and has only gained positive yards twice that i can remember..
if they stop defying Einsteins definition of insanity, there’s a slight chance we beat the Bengals next week

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

LOL...Arians

How many times does he run a delayed shotgun draw on 2nd or 3rd and short and have the run play start 5 yds in the backfield? Dumb.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Arians shot his genius load last week

He is back to the braindead play calling again.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

if I remember correctly

it was Ben that called the bubble screen out of the no-huddle, not arians…anyway, ya lets take that play out of the playbook. It just doesnt work against teams with athletic 3-4 OLBs

by NoVAPensFan on Nov 7, 2011 4:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the sane and rational recap. It makes me feel a little better.

I live on the East Coast, and it’s obviously pretty late, so you know this game didn’t do well for my sleep. Have to give Baltimore credit.

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 7, 2011 1:09 AM EST reply actions  

Flacco is average.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Nov 7, 2011 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

it's mr jokes again...

i know you are riding high right now…
he still sucks..no matter what happens (unless he delivers in the playoffs)

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Most 3rd downs converted in a single game against the Steelers since the merger.

What a bum….

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Nov 7, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

again...anyone can pick on Willie Gay

this is obviously not a good football team, so…have fun

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Flacco looked good Mr. Malor

I was impressed actually, I kept waiting for him to make the big mistake and he never did. Perhaps he is turning the corner and becoming one of the better QB’s in the league.

by steeler fever on Nov 7, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Dennis Pitta

Killed us. He had a huge game, I think I counted 4 or 5 third down completions to him

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by Michael Hewitt on Nov 7, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

gotta give MaLoR props

he called that when everyone said we need to watch out for Dickson to kill us… Pitta did instead. Quite a duo of young tight ends the Ravens have assembled there…

by Simonsen on Nov 7, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Nov 7, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I could have done that with the time Flacco was getting. Flacco played a great game, but it certainly was made that way by his OL as much as it was his effort.

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by John Stephens on Nov 7, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

the loss

of two starting LB’s, especially Woodley hurt

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by stillergorillar on Nov 7, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Flacco played a great game,

Can you just say that one more time for me?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Nov 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve never been one of the big Flacco naysayers.

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by John Stephens on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Still not sold on Flacco or the Ravens, too inconsistent. Did Flacco have a great drive to win the game, yes, does that negate his overall below average play all season, nope.

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by malaki on Nov 8, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

picking on Gay don't make you good

bad qb’s have been doing that for years…
he’s any bad qb’s ticket to looking good.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Then why is he on your team?

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang

by Mr MaLoR on Nov 7, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not the GM?

i have already asked this question….it’s a riddle
what do you do with a horrible player that consistently sucks? you give him an extension..it’s the Steeler way.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen.

Tired of it too. Gay stinks and the best they have is Taylor who routinely gets beat. Especially in big circumstances. IF he was so good like people in the media try to put him out to be then why doesn’t he get a pick or two here or there??? Ahh…cuz even by his own admission…he has bad hands. Seriously….

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

COMPLETELY AGREE!!!

Everyone bragged these guys up last week, okay the secondary had a good game last week. But, its back to the same this week!!!! As usual, same as last year, etc. We cant get off the field, you give up how many 3rd down conversions, and you let a team drive the field 92 yards and they didnt even have to use their only timeout. That, people, is unexcuseable!!!

Why didnt our DB;s turn to face the ball, we could of had 1-2 int’s tonight if they did. Did Carnell Lake forget to teach them this?

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

lol? so you'd keep willie gay and bmac?

and Johnson, and Kemo? and Scott…
you’d obviously do better…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

yes LOL!

at you once again! We have one of the best secondaries in the league and our O-line looked great against the best pass rushing team and #1 rated D in the league. We only allowed one sack and Ben had a much improved pocket this game rather than in week one. Max Stark is one of the best LT in the league and tonights game should have shown you that!

by steeler fever on Nov 7, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Ben actually moved around in the pocket

Yes, I agree that we did Okay pass protecting, but it wasnt like Ben sat in the pocket and he had no one around him pressuring him. Ben moved around alot and stepped out of the pocket to throw the ball. Again, HE added extra time, not the offensive line.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

ok mr sunshine...

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Flacco hasn't arrived until he wins a big game in the playoffs that doesn't involve beating an average team like the Chiefs.

If he can beat the Steelers in the playoffs (we all know they’ll meet for a third time), I will start to acknowledge him as a quarterback capable of winning a Super Bowl. Until then, he’ll always be Bert to me. That game in Jacksonville wasn’t that long agao.

by Anthony Defeo on Nov 7, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Not classy to blame the refs

But worth pointing out that two helmet-to-helmet plays happened, and only one was called.

by prophicide on Nov 7, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

Be Real..Same Steelers as always

This has been typical Steeler football for a while now. As much as I love our defense we seem to never address the issues we continue to have year after year. We do not cover well and haven’t since Rod Woodson’s days. The whole reason we have had to go to the zone blitz packages is because when we line up against big strong fast recievers, we have no shot. Gay hasn’t been any good for several years now. He gets torched when he covers TE’s or WR’s. And Ike Taylor is at best an ok #2 corner. He’s not a #1, too many times he lets recievers free behind him and looks in the backfield. I get tired of him getting beat in big circumstances over and over. If Torrey Smith catches the first pass when Ike got torched perhaps Ben and the O can save the day. But I can tell you this…they won’t beat anyone if they don’t do better than…what….13-15 on 3rd down passing for Flacco. Terrible.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:22 AM EST reply actions  

#1 pass defense in the NFL says otherwise

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by seton hall and steelers on Nov 7, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's skewed and you know it.

Don’t get me wrong…love the steelers no question. But be honest. This is the same thing we always see. Heck, Flacco isn’t even very good and we somehow make him look lik Tom Brady in the last couple minutes. He did the very same thing last year. Lastly, a #1 Pass defense doesn’t allow 13-15 on 3rd down passing and give up a 92yd drive in 2:30 seconds.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes the #1 pass defense makes mistakes once in awhile

It happens.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Once in a while?

Seems to be in big situations all to often. I dunno. It seems to me we always spend our money on the front seven and when they aren’t getting enough pressure our coverage is constantly exposed. Almost as if the Oline can block us, we got no shot to stop them from passing at will.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

All too often

No I don’t think so in the last few years, not how we been. Yeah it happened too much againist the Pats, but the difference between when we played them this year and past year is that we changed up our gameplan

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That's true vs Pats.

I was in jaw drop mode when they played that much man…but against teams with any sort of weapons on the outside, we don’t hold up that well without front 7 pressure. Yeah, our D is predicated on it, but I’m sure we could have spent money more wisely elsewhere rather then on McForgot to cover him and William Gets toasted.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Also..

Rodgers did that to us both times last year and Ravens took the ball down the field and won on a last second pass to TJ as well. Houston this year, which was overlooked due to Arian Foster carving us up. All in all, the team is real solid and not tryin to nitpick, just get tired of them coming up short especially when Ben puts together such a solid performance…

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

that solid performance

included a turnover in the redzone

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by stillergorillar on Nov 7, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Well PUT!!!

Its just pure frustration and torture to watch our DB’s, and yes, back to the same old thing. Just had that discussion with a friend on the phone. To be GREAT, you have to be consistant. Last week was a fluke.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

lol wut?

im pretty sure we had the number one passing defense in the league going into this game. this whole year everyones been raving about our improved secondary. so how is the first game all year the secondary was exposed legit and the half-season before that not?

by hasay on Nov 7, 2011 5:17 AM EST up reply actions  

ike is an ok #2?

alright man, you lost any credibility you had with that statement. this guy has repeatedly shut down opposing receivers all year. hell, at the beginning of the season he was the only guy actually doing his job on the whole defense ffs.

by hasay on Nov 7, 2011 5:25 AM EST up reply actions  

i would agree...

except, if all you had to go by was tonights. game….yeah…number 2

the rest of the year though..you’re right.. he’s awesome

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

well one game=/=a whole season

which basically sums up my views on this game in general

by hasay on Nov 7, 2011 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, off to bed and back to Baltimore in the morning. Can’t wait to get out of this city.

Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.

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by Mr MaLoR on Nov 7, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

classy as always!

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

yikes

took it a little too far there bud, no need to try and trash an opposing teams city…..especially when your from baltimore

by NoVAPensFan on Nov 7, 2011 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Who actually wants to go back to Baltimore?

by Riddlah. on Nov 7, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

gotta get a fix, ppl who love junk love murderland

by klompus on Nov 7, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously I am crushed by that loss, to come so close only to lose in the final minute. But sometimes it helps to have some perspective. Only one game, albeit a must win for the split but nobody said it was going be easy getting back to the SB. We just made it harder but a lot of football yet to be played. I don’t know about you guys but I am going to refrain from flipping my shit just yet.

by ChitownSteelerfan on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 AM EST reply actions  

Mike Tomlin

Always classy in defeat. I wouldn’t trade him for any other coach in the league. No question. Now..if he will jus convince Colbert to get someone coverage guys and an o-line for a change. Ben only has so many years left and as good as he is becoming now, we don’t want to waste it.

by jonahsteeler on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

what game were u watching

O Line played outstanding.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 7, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah..gotta agree...

the o-line was certainly not the problem…they held Benjamin Buford Blue almost silent…
except he’s smart enough to see that stupid screen that everyone on Earth knows is coming..
i’m surprised it took this long to get one of those picked off.

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If anyone wants a mood lifter...

http://www.hulu.com/watch/123695/americas-game-2005-pittsburgh-steelers

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by Jux on Nov 7, 2011 1:40 AM EST reply actions  

horrible officiating

did anyone notice after Rice’s 76 yard td run was called back due to penalty the ball was spotted wrong?

just sayin… shouldve been at the 14, not the 24

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by dmdjr1 on Nov 7, 2011 1:59 AM EST reply actions  

didnt notice that

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by Michael Bean on Nov 7, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

was supposed to be 1st and 20

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by dmdjr1 on Nov 7, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

i wont dwell on those

but the blatant disregard for reality on that spot is incredible

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by dmdjr1 on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

10 Yards from the Spot of the Foul

No, you’re wrong, as was noted in the game thread.

It was spotted 10 yards from the spot of the foul, which was about where the original line of scrimmage was.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i am correct

holding is a 10 yard penalty… the foul was on the line of scrimmage anyway. You are confusing how penalties are assessed on kickoffs/punts

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by dmdjr1 on Nov 7, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

wow

frank is wrong and you were watching a different game. Torrey Smith clearly held William Gay at the 25 yard line. Being that it was not special teams the penalty is assessed from the original line of scrimmage. That is the way every holding call has been handled since time began. If that had been a special teams play it would be from the foul.

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by dmdjr1 on Nov 7, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

youre wrong dude, sorry.

if the holding occurs 5 yards up the field then it is a 10 yard penalty from 5 yards up the field or where the foul occured

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by nlevine34 on Nov 7, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

what am i wrong about?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

not talking to you

"I hope," said Jack Lambert, "that Roger Staubach is eaten by a shark."

by nlevine34 on Nov 7, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

meant to say paul not frank, my fault

"I hope," said Jack Lambert, "that Roger Staubach is eaten by a shark."

by nlevine34 on Nov 7, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

you are correct. dmdjr is confused.

It’s a subtle thing, and I missed it at the time as well … see game thread.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Nov 7, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Paul is correct, not frank sorry

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by nlevine34 on Nov 7, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I need to go back and look

But I thought the hold happened about 5 yards off the LOS. So it should have been 1st and 15. Don’t hold me to that though.

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by John Stephens on Nov 7, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Ben's INT was the reason we lost, but...

That helmet to helmet call led to the 3 before half time. We didn’t get that call when the hit went against Ward in the 1st.

That almost invisible PI call, which again, we never got, led to the Ravens first touchdown.

The Steelers didn’t play well enough to win. That’s it …. but boy those calls were big.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Nov 7, 2011 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

you sure it wasn't the soft ass defense?

that interception was a long time coming…they call that stupid play so much, it never works…but they keep calling it..he’s throwing it no matter what, i don’t think ben gets the blame

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Deion Sanders just commented on that on the NFL Channel - to FrankWyt

He questioned why Lewis was not called for a helmet to helmet – and Clark was called for the hit that he made to the shoulders of the Raven’s receiver. I want to see if Lewis gets fined. Sanders is very “pro” Big Ben. Also it really irks me that the played who broke Harrison’s orbital bone was not fined. I am just ticked at how easy it is for the refs to penalize us and let other players do the exact thing that we get fined for. Just had to add my “two cents”. Am too ticked to comment on much else at this time.

by Allen F on Nov 7, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Bens Int didnt help

The Ravens played 60 minutes, the Steelers played 58. After that score the defense had nothing left and couldnt pull out a stop

No I am not blaming it on the defense, they played lights out. We just got outlasted

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by Michael Hewitt on Nov 7, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

damn it Michael, quit being positive lol...

let us stew…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Ive had a few hours to cool down

I was devastated, but the season aint over and the guys still need our support

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by Michael Hewitt on Nov 7, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

lol...

 i know…for some reason, which is strange, because i normally get over losses quick..i can’t get over this bullshit…

it’s f’in with me…

i’ve tried getting wasted…just can’t get drunk enough..
i suppose i need to find a wife or something…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It hurts. But it isnt over. In 2008 the Ravens got a third shot at us. If we get a third shot at them this year, I just hope we can do what they couldnt

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by Michael Hewitt on Nov 7, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

one can only hope.

as i’ve said…i maintain ridiculous standards as long as we have a good qb
because for the first 19 years or so that i watched them…we didn’t..
so i expect to win it all every year…
and shit like this is heart breaking

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Ben’s INT was not the reason we lost. 3rd down defense was.

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by John Stephens on Nov 7, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I will agree on that, but..... - to John Stephens

I know that you won’t agree with me on “one” of our main weak links – Casey Hampton. Harrison was a beast the entire game and Keisel complimented him well. We were keeping pressure on Flacco from both sides but were getting nothing from Casey coming up the middle. I remember one play in particular that Casey was the only DL who had no penetration. He stays engaged with his man to long and doesn’t use his hands and arms enough to shed him. Flacco “panics” when he is continually being rushed. But, I will give him credit. There were about 3 third down passes where he was being rushed and he threw short slants and completed them. Personally I think it was luck but nevertheless they were completions. I had been harping all week about pressure up the middle and suggested that McClendon replace Casey – at least on those crucial 3rd down plays where it is obviously going to be a pass. We really missed Woodley.

by Allen F on Nov 7, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone remember last year

When we were 6-3 through nine games, after losing 2 out of 3 and being pretty much dominated by New England, and everyone thought the season was over and the team sucked. Then we went on to make it to the Super Bowl. Yeah, that was fun.

"I hope," said Jack Lambert, "that Roger Staubach is eaten by a shark."

by nlevine34 on Nov 7, 2011 2:06 AM EST reply actions  

err, 2006

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Nov 7, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

well we won’t know until January 2012…

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Nov 7, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

word g

for now we just have to deal with every baltimoron troll as well as bengal trolls that are licking their chops after seeing what kind of team this is

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, yeah, do you remember the divisional wins. WE are 0-2 in the division

You HAVE to win your division, otherwise you are hoping for a wildcard. To me, this was a must win game, I dont see the ravens loosing the rest of the season and even if they do and tie the steelers, we are a wildcard hopeful. Also, the bengals are still in the hunch.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

We can beat the Bengals

And it’s a fetch to say the Ravens will win every single game. It’s too far out to make that prediction.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you “see” the ravens losing to the Jaguars on Monday night? Its the NFL dude anything can happen. You act like we are 3 games out of first. We are essentially one game back with half a season left.

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by nlevine34 on Nov 7, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you didnt get my point of winning our division

yahhhhhh, dude, you are right, it is the NFL, and the steelers could end up loosing 3 more games.

by lamberts58 on Nov 7, 2011 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Or winning three more games

Anything can happen, you just can’t expect the worst every week.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 7, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i did see them lose to the Jags..

then turn around and spank us AGAIN…on primetime…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

the only reason i call it a spanking, is because of what i've said earlier

somebody comes and does to you what the ravens did to you in week one…and this is your response?
anything other than complete domination to me means getting spanked..
especially choking up a lead in the final minute…

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Too many

Mental mistakes cost Pittsburgh a very winnable game.

Clark’s questionable personal foul at the end of the 1st half gave Baltimore 15 yards instead of setting up 3rd and long and also led to what would end up being the winning points.

Pittsburgh, with a chance to go up by 7 takes an absolutely inexcusable delay of game penalty. Seriously, coach Tomlin, explain that one to me…you had 2 timeouts and yet you just watched the clock tick to zero. There is no excuse for this, and it cost the Steelers dearly.

Finally, Baltimore needs a touchdown…Flacco has been going for the endzone since crossing midfield, what Ryan Clark was thinking not standing on the goal line taking away the ONLY play that could hurt Pittsburgh at that point? A HUGE lapse in judgement. There were only 8 seconds left, who cares if they complete a pass to the 10? Even with a timeout…not good.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 7, 2011 2:15 AM EST reply actions  

Such an awesome game of Football

But man does it suck to be on the wrong side of the scoreboard in this one. But sometimes thats how the ball drops

The schedule gets easier from here, and we have the bye. Lets see if we can right this ship. A lot of football yet to be played

Dont stop waving those yellow towels yet. The guys still need your support.

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by Michael Hewitt on Nov 7, 2011 2:42 AM EST reply actions  

please list your positives

I think most of the frustration or what you call overreactions are legit and true and it comes from this basically being a must win game. Yah, anything can happen, etc, etc. But, you MUST win divisional games and win your division outright so you can control your destination. So far, we are 0-2 in our division and have 4 more divisional games left, not good.

by lamberts58 on Nov 8, 2011 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

if we make the playoffs as a wildcard.... so be it

I dont know why such overreaction… we lost to a very good (but still inconsistent ,like us) team. It happens this loss will have no influence if (when) we meet another time.
My worries is with the Bengals now. Steelers cannot feel defeated, they have to raise to the ocasion and beat a Bengal good team next week.
There where some positives in today loss:

  1. We saw that ours defense is good but not great (it is ok, we cannot hope for the best defense every year), but in my oppinion is enough to win a superbowl.
  2. Crotchery played well, I think he will help us in some critical games this season.
  3. I will be very optimist with our changes of another SUperbowl appearance if the O-line continue to play at today’s level.
  4. Today it showed that we need to run more and I hope the coaches adjust our gameplan to when we play physical teams as the Ravens.
  5. Today it was clear tha Tomlin doesnt trust Suissam a bit. We will draft a kicker next draft (or sign a FA). instead of run, gain a few yards and try a long field goal, they decide to pass for first down. Yeah, Suissam is gone next year.

by UFrazzel on Nov 7, 2011 5:24 AM EST reply actions  

Agree with a couple of your points, but.....

Our Offensive line played a very good game – especially Starks. Did you notice that Ngata’s name was rarely if at all mentioned. Also Starks handled Suggs very well. And Mendy was passable when he had the opportunity to run the ball. We had a few dropped passes that hurt us on offense and Ben’s “bad” interception. What really hurt us was that we were not getting the pressure up the middle from our defense. Harrison and Keisel played very well. The left side played decent also. Coverage on the short passes on third down hurt us. I am always nervous when Suisham kicks a field goal. The kicker from University of Wisconsin (don’t remember his name) is probably the best out there. I am not sure if he is a senior or not.

by Allen F on Nov 7, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, actually what I intended to say is that the o-line played a really good game

and I am very optimistic if the o-line play this way for the games that we have left.

Sorry about my english… 3rd language…:-)

by UFrazzel on Nov 7, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem with the English

Glad for your reply. We will be just fine if the Offensive Linemen keeps playing like they have the last 2 games. If we can get this win against Cincy this weekend without anymore injuries, I think that it is possible for us to win all of the rest of our games (including the 49ers).

by Allen F on Nov 8, 2011 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

AAAAANNNNNGRRRRRRYYYYYYY

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by RoethlisCrosby on Nov 7, 2011 5:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hulk smash?

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by FrankWyt on Nov 7, 2011 5:49 AM EST up reply actions  

We played

Without Ward, Sanders, Woodley, and Farrior. So, they were pretty much at full strength and we are like the walking wounded. Plus, they had the refs in their back pocket. This loss kills me, but, when we don’t get fair calls from the refs, how can we win against an evenly matched opponant? Just really bad, game changing calls by the refs. Ticky tac PI calls, the bullshit defensless reciever. Not that I don’t think it was helmet to helmet, just that the ravens did the same thing and didn’t get called. And, their infraction took one of our best players out of the game. I’ll say it now….conspiracy…

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by steelerfreak76 on Nov 7, 2011 6:43 AM EST reply actions  

Frustrating calls

The Steelers had the opportunity to win it at the end and they got outplayed, but it’s still frustrating to see a player knocked out of the game with a helmet to helmet hit with no call, then Ryan Clark gets called for helmet to helmet contact just a few plays later. Then McClain initiates a helmet to helmet hit in the 4th quarter with no whistle. Clearly, that was no more than Carter being penalized for being Carter.

There were a lot of blown calls that hurt the Steelers, though. Dickson’s “catch” where the ball was moving around like crazy when hit the ground, Wallace was tackled at least twice when he didn’t even have the ball. Oh, and that game winning TD should’ve been an offsetting penalty at least since Smith clearly pushed off.

by Steelgator on Nov 7, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

he even admitted that he did afterwards

said something along the lines “he grabbed me, so I pushed off enough to get separation…” yeah, ok.

by Simonsen on Nov 7, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not worried at all

Minus the drop by Smith in the endzone and the Rice TD to start the game, the Steelers outplayed the Ravens in every aspect of the game except for getting off the field in 3rd downs. If they get off the field on just 3 or 4 more of those the Steelers coulda/shoulda/wouda won by 10+. I think the corners just looked worse last night because they couldn’t get off the field on 3rd downs. It’s been mentioned here before that they were leading the league in passing, but had the least TO’s. Well this game showed what happened when you don’t get interceptions and allow the other team to convert 3rds. I came away from this game knowing that if the Steelers play decent football they can beat anybody in the AFC.

by Andrew Hill on Nov 7, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

tough loss, but...

The Steelers went toe-to-toe with what some talking heads call the best team in the AFC, a week after beating what I thought was the best team in the AFC. The Steelers are right there.

Every year we see that it is how the team finishes off the season. Every win counts, but we are positioned to be in the playoffs as long as we peak in the second half. The huge turnover disaparity points to the Steelers becoming much better if the luck of turnovers ever evens out. It seems that other teams drop the ball and it lands in a teammates lap, but when we have a chance for a turnover it bounces the wrong way.

I thought I was pissed last night, but once I read this thread and saw one fan post aobut 150 negative, ranting posts about the sky falling I realized I was fine.

My adult son really only watches football for the fantasy game side of it. He was simply amazed at the one-sided refereeing in this game. The two challenges, the two no call helmet to helmets, the phanton calls, the last play pushoff, etc. He felt that game was on the referees. I actually saw it as a game the Steelers needed to play better to win.

The Ravens put themselves in postion for short 3rd downs, and continually picked them up. In my mind, that was the difference in the game, and that was more on the defensive schemes and linebackers than the secondary. And don’t even get me started on the prevent defense we played on that last drive. William Gay reminds me of Deshea Townsend in that he shouldn’t cover godd physical wide receiver. We need to start Lewis and bring in Gay in the extra DB packages.

by ballparkfranks on Nov 7, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions  


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