Report: NFL Considering Suspension for Steelers LB James Harrison
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 11:52 AM EST
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PrintESPN's Adam Schefter tweeted Sunday morning the NFL is considering a one or two game suspension for Steelers LB James Harrison after a helmet-to-helmet hit on Browns QB Colt McCoy.
This is the same Adam Schefter who tweeted Harrison was likely to be fined for an alleged hit during the Steelers Week 9 loss to Baltimore.
Despite the report, Harrison did not receive a fine - or a penalty - in that game.
The play drew a 15-yard penalty - Harrison's first personal foul penalty this year, and first since Week 10 of the 2010 season. Including the playoffs, Harrison hadn't been flagged for what the league views as an illegal hit in 16 games, including the playoffs. That number does not count the games he missed this season.
Under NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, two players have been suspended for on-the-field actions; then-Titans DT Albert Haynesworth, who stomped on the face of helmet-less Andre Gurode, and Lions DT Ndamukong Suh, who stomped on the arm of a Packers lineman and repeatedly slammed his head into the ground.
Both players were ejected from the game. Harrison was not.
Suh had been fined multiple times this season for his on-field conduct, and openly disputed the fact a penalty was even called. That led to the Lions issuing a public statement condemning his actions.
If consistency counts for anything, Harrison's penalty is not worthy of a suspension. It's hard to call him a repeat offender, considering he clearly has adjusted to the league's sudden emphasis on helmet-to-helmet contact.
The play in question has McCoy out of the pocket and scrambling forward. The ball is tucked in his arm, thus making him a runner instead of a passer. Harrison breaks down (gets in a stance to deliver a hit on the ball carrier), and moves toward McCoy. At that point, McCoy flips the ball quickly to his left. Harrison continues through the hit, and strikes McCoy with his helmet.
A penalty is valid in this case, because NFL rules state the onus to stop and prevent the hit when the quarterback no longer has the ball is on the defender. However, a suspension in this case would be unprecedented.
Harrison viewed McCoy as a runner, and not a quarterback. Helmet-to-helmet penalties are called on quarterbacks and defenseless receivers, not runners. It's extremely difficult to argue McCoy was not a runner when Harrison first attempted to hit him, considering he was outside the pocket and was running. Harrison should have held up and not struck McCoy, according to the rules of the game, but some credence should be given to the speed in which McCoy changed back into a passer.
The actions that occurred on that play are within past examples of a fine, not a suspension. Harrison's play has been clean in both the eyes of the game officials (no flags) and the league (no fines). A suspension seems over the top, and certainly something Harrison should appeal, with the full support of the NFL Players Union.
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This is ridiculous
If they suspend him, I’m threatening to retire. But seriously, come on. What Suh did was not a football play. It was after the whistle. You can not start suspending people for bang bang football plays like this. As you mentioned, no real violations in awhile. I’ll be very disappointed if the offices throw a suspension on him for this.
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There’s no precedent for it. I think the league can leak news like this to send a message to the rest of the league, and end up doing the right thing and not suspending him.
They really cannot justify a suspension, I don’t know how else to say that. Ryan Clark (Steelers union rep) better be all over this if it happens.
If it does, they’ll fast-track the appeal, and he’ll be out against San Francisco. Huge PR mess for the league, considering it’s a prime time game featuring two of the best teams in each conference. It’s also pretty much the ONLY good Monday Night game they’ve had in several weeks.
I think my biggest issue with it (and I have myriad issues with it) is the fact Harrison is being painted in the same light as Suh. That’s just flat-out wrong. There is no way you can compare what happened Thursday with what Suh did on Thanksgiving – especially considering the amount of fines Suh has picked up this year, and the completely unacceptable way he dealt with it.
Suh was thrown out of the effing game, for crippessake!
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well said all around. I’m constantly appalled by what non-Steelers fans have to say about Harrison and this issue. No comparison at all between him and Suh. And again..James has been a good boy this year, and the end of last year. That repeat offender stigma can’t be carried on forever if the player is obviously working on not doing those types of things anymore.
Just because it happens once somewhere down the road, doesn’t mean it deserves a “see, told ya…same old Harrison” type of stance. Oh well, I hope you’re right about them doing the right thing.
It’s also pretty much the ONLY good Monday Night game they’ve had in several weeks.
Ughh. It’s been a lot longer than a few weeks. From my memory, MNF has been at about a 98% failure rate in terms of good games. Who the hell decided to put Seattle and St Louis on a prime time game?Oy vay
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Yeah but Boomer Esiason just said that they should sit him for a game so that’s what the league should do right? [sarcasm]
I have a few ideas on what Boomer can sit on…
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
care to share any of them with the rest of the class? ;)
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Ever since I asked an umpire if he was in bed with the opposing coach, his wife or both, and was forced to run five miles after the game, I learned it’s best to not share specific comments.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jason LaConforta also tweeted and said “his hunch” was a 6 figure fine. That my friends is only slightly short of being as ridiculous as even considering a suspension. Had this been an after the whistle or flagrant foul; then fine… dumb move; big price. This was not flagrant and is absolutely garbage.
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If they do suspend him
Which would be completely ridicules seeing how Harrison was making a football move, not punching or stomping a player. I can’t wait to see the public outcry by Steeler nation just like last year.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Dec 11, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions
In another post im asking to do something if they suspend Harrison
Godell is mistreating one of the best (if not his best) customer: The Steeler Nation. Is about time we do something, I assume the letters with the dollar bill many of us send last season didnt change his mind, its time to talk with Godell’s boss: the money and the NFL owners.
It is time to do something radical: empty a stadium, cancel the suscriptions to DirectTV, i dont know, something they realize we are serious about treating us fairly.
Im sick of Godell and his intentions and ACTIONS to not allow us to win again. Sooner or later this will affect us and sooner or later many people will feel defrauded (like me at this time) on the NFL.
Come on People, still some games to be play and we should do something about before the playoffs begin.
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The only thing we could do...
Would be to not watch the Monday Night Football game. If it was possible to organize and mobilize Steeler Nation to not turn their TVs to that channel, and the ratings of their bell cow Monday Night Football suffered, we could claim a victory.
Due to the sample size of the Nielson Ratings, and the fact there are way more football fans than there are Steelers fans, it’s extremely unlikely it would work. Besides, the 49ers have a pretty big following as well.
Maybe just the act of trying to get it together would help though. I’m game.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
If we SUE Godell and the NFL for a lot of money?
To me is a clear case for fraud, in which im buying a lot of stuff from the NFL considering this is suppose to be a Fair game.
I think we can easily probe that the treatment the Steelers are unfair, therefore the league is making money on promises they are not fulfilling.
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Sounds like lawyer ball to me.
Steelers are gonna have to adapt as this is not a fight they or the fans can win. Goodell has all the power and really expensive lawyers. Goodell can basically do whatever he wants, as far as fines and suspensions. When is the last time Goodell had anything overturned on review?
by steeler fever on Dec 11, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well for what it’s worth I have allready made a decision to no longer support the league untill furthere notice and i’ve written a short mail to them explaining my decission. That means not buying anything they are selling I’ll somehow just have to manage even if it means pirated streams of the steeler games etc… (The only exception I’m willing to make is if the Steelers make it to Ireland in the next couple of years).
Not that I’m under the illusion that this will have any effect or anything. It just helps me sleep better at night. Godell can kiss my €s goodbye as long as this goes on.
At least you take a stand for what you believe...
…indivdually, nothing we do will make much noise. Collectively, if some sort of action can be thought of, might be a different story.
I salute your convictions.
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Well do what works for you I guess that’s about the best advice I can give anyone. Even if it’s a pain in the ass (Last 3 years that I’ve been able to make the trip to London to see one of the games have allways been one highlights of the year. Even if one of those games featured the Pats).
You don’t need to go to the same lengths. If you feel strongly about it write to the Rooneys or the Steelers office or whatever else you can think of. It only takes a small amount of effort anyway.
Yeah that's something i'm not going to do.
I have been waiting for this game for months and I plan on watching it. But I give you credit for presenting the idea though.
But I will say I don’t know what’s more pathetic: Harrison possibly getting suspended for this play or Colt McCoy’s DAD complaining to the newspaper in Cleveland that the team didn’t do right by his son.
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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
The dad, definitely
I honestly believe his comments will put McCoy on the bench behind a rookie QB next year. Cleveland may have gone in a different direction with their first 1st round pick next year, but not now.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Still
Shame on the Browns for mishandling a clear concussion in this day and age of player safety and brain injury awareness. If anything is worthy of fines and suspensions, this is!
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Surprisingly even the fans are upset with the organization for this. There must not be a lot of love lost between the Browns organization and McCoy’s dad. Most would use the “no comment” thing.
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I don’t see it as surprising. It was shameful and irresponsible. The fact they said they could not see any symptoms shows a cynicism that warrants fan chastisement. They didn’t even test the guy!!!! The guy was knocked out cold for a few seconds with a vicious blow to the head. Tests have to be administered RIGHT AWAY. No excuse whatsoever. I’m sure other coaches or trainers out there feel as I do, you just never play with head injuries. Period.
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If they suspend him im done
Giving him large fines is one thing. However, suspending him one to two games without pay is absolute bullshit and I think it would completely ruin my fandom. The only two people that have been suspended under Godell made complete non-football moves and were ejected from the game. NEVER has a player been suspended for making a football play and for one that was as borderline as this one was, I would be absolutely irate if they suspended him. Also, I think Deebo might consider retiring if he got suspended.
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by seton hall and steelers on Dec 11, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Really? You have got to be kidding me.
Man this really grinds my gears. The only thing I can do is shake my head at the utter ridiculousness of the league suspending Harrison for a football act. It is really unprecedented based upon the acts that resulted in suspensions by previous players but I guess Goodell is still feeling sour about the comments James Harrison made last year. What a joke!
by ChitownSteelerfan on Dec 11, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions
We all know this doesn't deserve a suspension
but I definitely could see Goodell doing it just to show everyone that he can
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Enough is Enough
For once, a Ravens fan and Steelers fans agree on something. While I appreciate the league’s attempt to maintain the safety of players, this is still football. Trying to continually legislate players who are 260 lbs, running at a 4.5 speed and making bang/bang plays is crazy. As a defensive player breaks down to make a tackle, any move by the offensive player to get down or avoid the contact can result in unintended helmet-to-helmet hits. If a player intentionally goes head-hunting, fine him or even suspend him if it is habitual, but outside of that, the 15-yard penalty is enough. As for Harrison, I don’t believe he made an effort to lower his head or “miss” McCoy … that said, McCoy did tuck the ball and made like he was going to run. A fine may be warranted, but a suspension is ridiculous.
This may the only thing I agree with Steelers fan on, but at least we have something!
Amen, bro
This goes beyond teams, this is about the game itself. Just like I would hate to see an injury to a key Ravens player before a possible Steelers/Ravens playoff game, intentionally diluting the talent of any team goes against the history of the game we love so dearly.
That recent history (but certainly not the full history) suggests a fine is the appropriate action. Breaking new ground at such a vital time will have dire consequences. Goodell should not want to open Pandora’s box. All this will mean is any defensive player who’s ever been fined should be suspended the next time he is guilty of, as you wisely put it, a “bang-bang” play.
This will not eliminate anything. This will only cause you a headache tantamount to Colt McCoy’s on Friday morning.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
well said . . .
i generally don’t read raven’s threads . . . but when most Steelers fans have issues with a Steele player getting hit (i.e. Ben taking a shot to the head), it’s when they are not flagged or fined as consistently as a Steelers player . . . a Pandora’s box has been opened because there has been a palpable inconsistency in the way similar hit have been penalized/fined . . .
We "have something" because this isn't just a Steelers problem
it’s a problem that will eventually touch every NFL team. Of course it’s going to take some teams much longer than others to assemble a LB corps worth a darn… but still. Eventually, this opens the door to a serious problem for all teams. Goodell has no guidelines to follow and no one to answer to. Shoot first; ask questions later. Loose cannon destroying the league.
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That's kind of how they report things nowadays
There’s a full story here
I love how he points out Harrison was fined $125k last year, but leaves out the fact a large chunk of that was rescinded because Harrison had adapted to the game the way they wanted him to.
I guess it’s more important to continue portraying him as a thug rather than admit he’s been compliant for 16 games since his last one.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for the link . . .
selective “facts” is all too pervasive in reporting today.
Harrison is the poster boy for H2H hits.
I expect a damn suspension for our poster boy. I like his play, but the commish and a growing number of fans seem to think it should be completely banned.
I beleive next season, rules will be in place making all H2H shots, against the rules, Flaggable, fineable, and yes, suspendable.
by steeler fever on Dec 11, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
That wont happen
They will not take out H2H shots from football, as it is too difficult to control in all other scenarios. The H2H shots that are currently illegal are ones in which one player is in defenseless position, which tends to mean that they are not moving forward at a full head of steam. One player is laying a hit on another in those situations. A running back who collides with a safety, both of whom are running at full speed, is a situation in which two players are laying hits on each other. You can’t get rid of that due to human limitations on body movement.
it would be ridiculous
I still can’t believe RS wasn’t suspended in Oakland.
If they suspend Harrison then I’m sure he will have it appealed, and if the NFLPA can’t overturn this then they should just disband as a toothless organization.
Having said all of that, there is another other thing to consider. Harrison has been fined, he’s had costly penalties, and he’s obviously a marked man by the league. Although I don’t agree the “crime” fits the punishment by any stretch, it’s way past time for him to stop hitting people with the crown of his helmet. Unless he wants to get in a time machine and go back to when those hits were legal, he MUST adjust his style of play if he’s going to survive. James – it’s past time for you to SEE WHAT YOU HIT. I’m not just worried about the penalties, every time he does this he’s risking breaking his own freaking neck.
He has, though!
That’s the first time it’s happened in a long time, and while a penalty and fine are justifiable (for the league), a suspension for something that happened so quickly and clearly without premeditation is absolutely ridiculous.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 11, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's not premeditated
and I don’t think he should be suspended. I’m just saying he has a role to play in all of this. There was no football reason for lowering his head and hitting with the crown of his helmet – EVER. That’s how defensive players wind up in wheel chairs because the neck is not designed to handle impact straight down from the top of the head. He’s improving in that regard, but he needs to cut it out completely.
On a side note – I’m for fixing this problem through equipment. The shiny plastic helmets are only there for looks. Put padding on the outside as well as inside of the helmet and make it so the head gear is no longer a viable weapon.
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what about bill dudley? wasnt fare either. both had helmet hits but one didnt?
Considering Suspending Harrison
If Goodell suspends Harrison, there will be a backlash like any other. How do they even consider suspension? Do they remember what Suh did on Thanksgiving? He got two games so what does Harrison get?! There is no comparison, I am okay with the fine, whatever, but if there a suspension, I want Goodell gone! There is no consistency with his discipline & he has contradictory action. He is garbage!
by Steeler by Trade on Dec 11, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions
Two things
1. I am in complete agreement with the those who say that if Harrison is suspended something has to be done. This situation stinks of a vendetta, either against James or the Steelers in general. Are they being punished for the having the audacity to not endorse the CBA? Whatever, it simply cannot stand, otherwise they’ll have entire Nation bent over, if you get my meaning.
2. Related issue; if they suspend Harrison and don’t fine the Browns, oh say, the national debt, then could the injustice be any clearer?
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Dec 11, 2011 1:54 PM EST reply actions
Litigation
Litigation, is an ugly word but I believe if Harrison is suspended in an unprecedented move that they( the Steelers) have grounds enough to take the NFL to court.
Why?
Well under the Goodell era the National Football league has created a precedence of unprecedented punishments for the Steelers and their players;
When these helmet to helmet hit began James Harrison was fined the highest amount by a far margin of the three player who also only had a single hit.
The NFL created a new rule because Hines Ward made a legal block and injured Keith Rivers.
Over the Ben incidents I believe it was one of the first times a player was suspeded for mere allegations of a crime though no charges were filed.
I believe (though I would have to check my facts) that the Steelers since the new helmet-to-helmet rule went into effect have been fined and flagged for the hits more then any other team.
If James Harrison is suspended even though he has not been fined this season, there is enough of a pattern to show the intent that the NFL is targeting the Steelers organization.
In my opinion the league office was offended by the comment that many said saying they will not change how they play football. I believe the league office has taken a we will show them approach. Though this may not be enough to win the case for the Steelers the meer threat of litigation may halt these unwarranted, unprecedented ruling against the Steelers organization.
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Taking the lead in the “Worst Commish in Sports” category at the ESPY’s this year.
Goodell counters with a suspension of one of the best players in the NFL for one of the biggest games of the season.
Your move Bud Selig…
by Michael Uhlhorn on Dec 11, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions
McCoy was Nearly a Runner
I can’t understand how this could even be an option. McCoy looked like he was going to run. He was about to step across the line of scrimmage when he flung the ball away.
Plus, it’s his only infraction this year – despite what the moronic bloggers at ESPN and Yahoo would have you believe about him “never learning” … sigh.
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d'oh
replied to the wrong comment.
Gotta bring the a-game.
by pistil_stamen on Dec 12, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
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My buddy, a huge hockey fan, loves the new alignment as well.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 12, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
I know nothing about internet stuff
but I think these things are thrown out there in order to generate comments on particular websites (like where Adam Schafter resides) so that people are on the web site for a longer period of time, and that keeps the advertising rates up.
I first saw this on NFL.com and the way it was worded “the league will consider…” bla bla bla, led me to believe that suspension is ALWAYS on the table when the league reviews the personal foul penalties of the week. It’s SOP.
Just like the USA will not ever say that “we won’t use nuclear weapons on the Duneaten Peninsula.”
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I think Adam is just speculating
It would be pretty ridiculous if Harrison was suspended for that. It took Suh 3 strikes this season to be suspended, why sit Harrison after just one?
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Perhaps not, Goodell is quoted on NFL.com
“Our staff is going to be looking at that play, along with every other play that happens this weekend, and they’ll make their decisions,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Sunday at a fan forum in Detroit, according to The Associated Press.
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Wonder when Rog is going to do a “fan forum” in Pittsburgh.
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Thanks guys. Billy wont be allowed to spill his racist crap on here anymore.
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Which Billy?
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Not a regular, someone called BillyBacker
Starting throwing around racial obscenities.
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, ok. Good.
I thought you meant Billy52.
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Haha, nah no way.
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
now, the guy called Harrison a baboon and said that the (n bomb) needed to be “deep sixed” or something
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I’m getting you a roll of duct tape for Christmas.
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why? What did I do this time?
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Maybe… if they wanted everyone to know what was said; they would have just left the post up?
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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Exactly. That stuff does not belong on a football blog
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
oh. well, he was curious it seemed. I didn’t think it was top secret. Sorry.
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It’s kinda like when a friend is whispering something to you and someone from across the room yells “Hey Frankie! Whatzee sayin’??” and you stand up and tell him what he’s saying. Defeats the purpose of whispering.. LOL
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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
I don’t believe in secrets among friends or family though. It’s already established that I’m a horrible person anyway
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Ya are not. You’re our very own Frank! Wouldn’t trade you for 2 MaLoRs and a boatload of Browns groupies. Now that’s love right there.
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thank ya! You’ve always been great to me. I’m glad to (e) know you!
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Right back at ya.
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"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Sounds kinky
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Lawd.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Thought this would happen
I don’t know guys. I hate to say it, but when I was watching the game my immediate thought after the play was- he’s gonna get suspended for that. It might not be right or rational, I just have a gut feeling that Goodell is going to do so. I also expect a statement to Cleveland about allowing McCoy back in and an outline re-sent to teams regarding how to treat concussions in game. If I were Tomlin or LeBeau, I’d be talking with him about how to handle the news publicly tomorrow- before it potentially comes- so Harrison handles the frustration without making things worse for himself and the team going forward. Deebo has my full fandom and support…but I also hope the Steelers focus their rage on their field opponents- which hopefully gets them to the quarterback a half second earlier- rather than those in an office…they simply can’t win that battle.
I fully understand your sentiment and my son text messaged me the second the play was over saying exactly what you just did. If it was LaMarr Woodley, would we feel the same? If it was Timmons or Farrior or Foote? If it was any other player from any other team would we feel the same “uh oh… this could be a suspension.” No… we wouldn’t, or at least I wouldn’t.
This wasn’t an “after the whistle Suh move” and quite honestly; Seymour punched Ben last year and got ejected and STILL wasn’t suspended. If Harrison is suspended and no one does ANYTHING (including the Rooneys, players and fans) to show our displeasure and stop the loose cannon that sits behind a desk on Park Ave. in NY… I think it’s going to mean the beginning of the end for football.
Today and when the “ruling” comes down; James Harrison IS every player in the NFL.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Those are really good points
You’re quite right about what you say. It is true about it being Harrison specifically that made me head in that direction. But- it isn’t so much about his personality or style of play…it’s that I just don’t believe Goodell is going to just go on indefinitely raising fines $25k a shot. I believe he is going to use this to make a statement- a statement I abhor. I wish there were a way for consumers to make a powerful statement to the NFL market. I’m game for what I can do. In the meantime, the team needs to come together to make a statement- and this time- get to and suceed in winning the superbowl.
Ryan Clark is going to have his hands full this week. As the player rep, he’s going to have to get involved and I think it’s high time the Rooney’s let US know where they stand.
I loathe dirty football; but this wasn’t it. I hated with a passion Suh’s lack of discipline and after the whistle antics. I’m glad he was suspended because that’s not something that is in any way good for the game. What I’m having trouble with is this wasn’t a late or malicious hit. Should he have lowered his head? No; he shouldn’t have. Penalty, yards, fine. Reasonable fine for a during the play, incidental penalty. He wasn’t trying to take his head off… although now, I’ll bet he wish he just did.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Seeing this is just frustrating...
I’m sure even though we dread it…we know how it’s going to turn out… Such is the reality of the situation.. The Effing Commish and his henchmen must hate the Steelers with a vengeance..
Anytime you lead with your helmet on a QB tackle, you're going to pay the price.
Harrison could just as easily have tackled McCoy hard and clean on that play. In that case, I doubt he would even have been fined. But when he committed the H2H, he was asking for trouble. I can’t defend Deebo on this one because he knows the rule and he also knows the refs are watching him. Being tough as nails is great but you also need to be smart out there.
Joltin' James Harrison
I really hate to disagree with everyone out there but it was not a bang bang play where Harrison couldn’t have pulled up or softened the blow. He lead with his helmet aiming directly at McCoys head. He should be fined AND suspended for at least one game, you Steeler fans have been coddled by the NFL since it’s inception and you think THEY owe you something. Get real, Mr Harrison, have a seat.,
Thank you for your opinion. I happen to disagree wholeheartedly with you. Including the “coddled” part…. seriously?
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
what the hell is going on with people joining BTSC just to make one stupid comment lately? Billy, this yahoo, and a few others, It’s getting crazy. I think the 1 day wait thing would be very helpful
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Bean has been doing his hardest to not put up the 1 day wait thing. I still dont think it is necessary yet. Besides, whilst we do not agree with it, Jack Flash is entitled to his opinion
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Damn it Michael. Around here we say “while” not “whilst” that’s not even a word here
lol
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by FrankWyt on Dec 11, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol, sorry. Upside down country and all.
I also use s’s instead of z’s
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
like “criticise” or “realise”?
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Yep lol
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
ugggh…at least Liv Tyler watches over your land (or whatever she does, I haven’t actually watched the movies)
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Doesnt do much except be a sexy elf
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
oh…never mind then. You have the answer for everything don’t you? hehe
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I’m a never-ending bucket of wisdom. Make that a well, a bucket sounds cheap
Formerly known as Steeler_
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Ok.. that one was good
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
what a ridiculous statement. Coddled? right.. Welcome to professional football. I will start by informing you that teams need to move the ball ten yards in order to get a new set of downs, otherwise they have to punt the ball to the other team.
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you do know we didn't win anything for our first 30 years of existance right?
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 11, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Responding, everyone listen up
To FrankWyt, did you ever play football, how long you been around. To Riddlah, I’m assuming that’s short for Ridelin, I have better things to do than sit around and stare at a screen. Yes I did just open up this account, does that mean that I or any other new account holder doesn’t have an opinion. If this is for Steeler fans only, I’ll just sit back and laugh at some of the things said, if not, we have an opinion and if it doesn’t agree with you be a man…
Ok, I will respond to you now.
1) Yes, I did, up till the end of high school
2) how can a word with the same amount of letters (Riddlah, Ritalin) be short for something? Doesn’t make sense at all
3) If you have better things to do, why would you all the sudden not have any of those things to satisfy you?
4) No, that is not what it means. The fact that you opened the account JUST to make that comment however, does say something.
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FrankWyt
If I just opened the account I can only make comment from this point forward, I cannot back pedal, secondly, are you on Ritalin since you know how to spell it, thirdly, I commented because it’s almost like all of you were watching a different play than what I saw. Go back and look at it again, if you don’t think Harrison aimed at McCoys head or he didn’t have enough time to pull out, you’re not looking at the right tape. Now if you will excuse me, I’m going to be with my wife, who is not the happiest of campers right now because we had to have her dog put down today, like losing a child..
Seriously? I’m on it because I can spell it? There are a lot of people that can spell simple words like that. People that can spell that are a lot more common than people that can’t.
It is like we are watching different plays. You are watching it under the assumption that no matter what happens, you will have ammo for your hatred of Harrison. I have looked at it again, and again, and again, and again, and again. It was a very quick play, no matter how much you want to tell yourself that it’s not.
Whether he “aimed” at his head or not is irrelevant. Once Colt tucks the ball like a runner and moves outside the pocket, he is then a runner. Runners are not protected by the same rules that quarterbacks are.
Now, I believe I know what your intentions are, but I’d love for you to maybe explain what you feel they are?
If anything else you say is true, then I’m sorry, I just lost my dog recently as well. Was not a good time for me, my friends/family, and even people on this board the night of the loss to the dirty birds.
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I know how to spell 'Ritalin,' and I'm not on it.
You make no sense. You’re kind of funny. And also kind of stupid.
I’d rather be funny.
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by Fifty-Eight on Dec 12, 2011 2:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No Hard Feelings
It’s been fun, I’ll be back
possibly not
Disagreeing with people is fine but to create a new account and spend most of your 4 posts insulting other people suggests you are related to those who live under bridges.
anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going into work tomorrow and choose one of my best employees...
And arbitrarily dock him two months salary for doing his job successfully.
That will allow me to put my narcissistic stamp on the company, and make me feel relevant.
Also, it will deter any of my employees from being too energetic. That way i can make specific employees I favor appear more successful by comparison.
I will be sure to create a whole new set of untenable procedures to validate my bias, so that I can defend my useless petty tyranny.
Thanks, Rog, for the prototype plan…
by Steelzombie on Dec 11, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Brilliant.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
agreed
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 12, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure your
Employees will love it too!
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
If you want action
Contact the advertisers and explain to them why you cannot support the NFL or their advertisers until they start showing more consistency in their system of fines and punishments. Explain how Goodell is ruining the game you love and how you will not purchase their products nor watch NFL games until Goodell is either gone or has shown a willingness to fix his ways.
If enough people do this and if enough stop watching and purchasing then you will see Goodell’s office back down. Money is what matters in these situations.
anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 12, 2011 12:19 AM EST reply actions
+1
We need to make a list of the top 5 NFL advertisers and litter them with complaints about the NFL. That will get their attention!
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
So the auto makers, beer makers, insurance brokers...
…are going to listen? I don’t think so. Instead, focus on your area car dealers, beer distributors, insurance salesmen/women; say to them, look [insert name here], I know you, you know us, no offense, but we’re not going to buy from you until you tell your bosses that they need to stop contributing to the adverstising dollars going to the NFL. Not sure it will work, but things lke this always work better from the grass roots up.
Another idea would be to start a letter writing campaign to all 32 player reps, saying: Now its the Steelers, next week it could by someone on YOUR team; when are you going to wake up and take a stand?
As Benjamin Franklin said: We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Apparently we'll all hang separately
Because no one seems to want to follow any plan but their own… Sigh…
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
You’re right. Last year, thousands of letters were sent to the NFL offices from Steeler Nation (and others who supported Harrison) ~ only once was it mentioned on NFL Network (bet the gag order came down real fast)
I can only remember one time when Roger Goodell recognized the fans’ anger: This years draft. Maybe you really are on to something here. Obviously Goodell himself isn’t going to acknowledge our displeasure. Maybe the sponsors will get his attention.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Objectively Measuring Hits
The issue is that the NFL doesn’t have a predictable, objective rule for unsafe hits. The NFL takes a play, puts it in a magic black box and out comes a punishment. Fans are left to their own devices to justify NFL actions. What if the NFL created a clear rule about these types of hits – let’s say defensive players get a 2 second “safe harbor” for hits like this. If you’re outside 2 seconds, even if its a seemingly bang-bang play, you get a fine. Punishments increase on a published, graduated scale. Its transparent, predictable, and hard to argue with.
What strikes me when I rewatch the play is how quickly McCoy goes from runner to passer. The video I’m watching shows that an elapsed time of at most 1.5 seconds from when McCoy makes a throwing motion and the hit.
To put that in real-world terms, insurance companies calculate average driver reaction times to something jumping in front of a car to be 1.5 seconds. On average, a driver needs .75 seconds to perceive the change and another .75 seconds to react (move foot from accelerator to brake). It seems ludicrous to ask a football player – exhausted and full of adrenaline – to react faster than a driver (whose primary focus, presumably, is on avoiding accidents). Why not use statistics to come up with a basis for a reasonable reaction time for defensive players?
by TheHawk24601 on Dec 12, 2011 12:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
More pressing issues than Harrison hit
While I believe the hit was unnecessary as to the way Harrison delivered it… the more pressing issue is the health of Rothlesburger… with the 49’ers coming up Sunday with a chip on their shoulder… Steelers have more on the brain than they need at this time of the year…
I'm Glad
I’m happy to have come here and read how you die hard Steeler fans react to a little controversy. On a couple of posts your very own have questioned the hit, such as The Fred, Billy52 and VinnySteel. Whether it’s QB or not, H2H is not legal and Harrison did not use good judgement. The cold-old-steeler-fan has been spending to much time out on the prarie or maybe under a bridge, how would he know?? I didn’t come on here and critisize anyone, I came here just to voice my opinion, biggcat, yes, I think we’re still in America. FrankWyt, if you can’t say anything intelligent m,aybe you ought to think a while, it’s been fun. I can see this is not an impartial jury so thanks but no thanks.
Insults are the argument of the weak.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
by Steelfrog on Dec 12, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm down for the cause
whatever we decide is most effective. I’m ready to occupy Goodell chin with my fist. (Figuratively, not literally)
I love the Steelers.
I'm in
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 12, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Same here. I actually think letters, in great numbers to the top sponsors is necessary.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Letters
to both the sponsors, NFL offices, ESPN and all their shows, etc. We have to get everyones attention, it has to become news for anyone to pay attention.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 13, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Harrison
Right now though, he’s not playing very smart. He said to AP that he didn’t think he did anything wrong. That puts the NFL (read : Herr Goodell) in a situation where they see a guy who needs to be taught a lesson because he clearly doesn’t get it. The smarter move would have been to say something like "the helmet-to-helmet was involuntary, I saw him tuck and run, went for the tackle and it all happened too fast to adjust. " that, in effect, is pretty much what happened and by stating it this way it makes him look like he’s conscious of the rules and the dangers of HTH contact.
That whole approach makes a suspension more likely. I just wish he’d had the sense to at the very least not comment on the hit. Not saying it’s fair, or he deserves it, but he’s not playing it smart IMO.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Well, Well, Well
I see that Steelfrog has joined the common sense club, Ridlah, read the rules, H2H is NOT legal. Insults are not the arguments of the weak, they are thoughts FOR the weak. A few of your people have aknowledged Harrisons mistake, why can’t the rest of you man up and admit it. it’s only one game, he has to play smart, bottom line…
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