What's More Important for Steelers Playoff Chances -- Fighting for a First Round Bye or Taking Precautionary Measures on the Injury Front?
Like most Steelers fans, my heart was in my throat Thursday night when Ben Roethlisberger was being helped off the field in obvious agony after having his ankle bent every which way on a play late in the second quarter.
During halftime, I certainly didn't think Roethlisberger would be returning to finish out the game, and I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this on BTSC over the weekend, but I actually had visions of Brett Favre wearing a Steelers jersey. And my imagination even went so far as to wonder if Byron Leftwich would give up his number 4 to Favre. I'm not saying I enjoyed these thoughts, they just popped into my head.
I was as surprised as anyone else to see Roethlisberger warming up right before the second half. If anyone had any doubts about Big Ben's elite status, his second half performance after returning to the game with what turned out to be the dreaded high ankle sprain should have erased them.
The man is simply amazing, and it really doesn't matter where you want to put him in the pecking order, number 7 has been in the group of elite NFL passers for quite some time.
That brings me to my concern for the rest of the season. I've been saying for weeks now that I don't think the wild card entrant would necessarily be a dead end postseason route for the 2011 Steelers. There is an opinion held by many that it's not always the "best" teams that win championships, it's the teams that are the hottest and the healthiest down-the-stretch that normally get to compete for and win the Lombardi Trophy. I agree with that opinion. But while the Steelers are certainly on a pretty hot streak--8-1 in their last nine games--they aren't the healthiest of teams as they head to the finish line.
All year I've been waiting for Pittsburgh to just finally get healthy, but the injury bug that plagued the team early on is still hanging around.
In addition to Roethlisberger, center Maurkice Pouncey also suffered a high ankle sprain against the Browns, defensive end Ziggy Hood injured his groin, and safety Troy Polamalu suffered a hamstring injury.
This isn't the first time that guys like Roethlisberger and Polamalu have had to battle injuries in 2011, and when you factor in the season-long string of ailments that Pittsburgh has been dealing with--Aaron Smith, Willie Colon, Chris Hoke, Hines Ward, Emmanuel Sanders, Daniel Sepulveda, Lamarr Woodley and James Harrison have all suffered injuries of varied degrees--you have to wonder just how the team plans to proceed down the stretch.
We know how the Steelers are going to proceed, of course. At 10-3, they're still very much alive for the AFC North title and a first round bye. They're going to go for that bye, any team would in their position.
Unfortunately, they do not control their own destiny. The Baltimore Ravens own the head-to-head tiebreaker over Pittsburgh due to their series sweep of the Steelers. And with Baltimore also moving to 10-3 after their 24-10 victory over the Colts on Sunday, time is certainly running out on the Black and Gold's hopes for earning the best possible playoff spot.
With the team's division title hopes out of its own hands, and with only three games remaining, should the Steelers throw caution to the wind and try to win out with a bye still a possibility, or should they err on the side of caution and make sure they're as healthy as possible no matter their seeding?
Maybe you'll disagree, but I'm going with the latter.
In addition to having my heart in my throat Thursday night, I also saw the end of any possible Super Bowl hopes flash right before my eyes when Roethlisberger was writhing in agony on the grass of Heinz Field.
Maybe the Steelers can get by without a key starter or two, but when it comes to the franchise quarterback, "The Standard is the Standard" does not apply. Yes, it sounds nice to say, but it's just not reality. Not in today's NFL.
Yes, Charlie Batch is a capable quarterback, and I realize what he did in two-plus games in 2010, but as much as I would try to convince myself otherwise if Roethlsiberger was lost for the rest of the year, the chances of Batch leading the Steelers to a Super Bowl would be slim to none.
That elite group of quarterbacks I mentioned earlier--a group comprised of the Bradys, Mannings, Roethlisbergers and Rodgers of the world--always wind up playing in the Super Bowl. It's no accident.
I know a bye is important, but I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if we saw Big Ben standing around in street clothes during the Monday night game against the 49ers next week.
After this weekend's action, the Steelers will have no worse than a two-game lead in the wild card standings with just three weeks remaining. At this point, a berth in the playoffs is all but written in stone, and with St. Louis and Cleveland as their last two opponents, the Steelers should wrap up the more attractive 5th seed with no trouble at all.
You might say it's just wishful thinking on my part to suggest that the Steelers could still get to a Super Bowl as "road warriors," but if recent history is any indication, it's more common now than ever.
Unlike the 80's and 90's, when having a bye greatly increased a team's chances of earning a trip to the Super Bowl, in today's NFL, more and more teams are advancing to and winning the Big Game as wild card entrants.
Four of the last six Super Bowl winners came from the wild card round, and five of the last six Super Bowls had at least one wild card team as a participant. Oh yes, and all those teams were led by elite quarterbacks.
So, even though I'm completely on board with the Steelers valiant fight for a first round playoff bye (certainly a big advantage), I don't want to see them do so at the expense of losing their biggest Super Bowl advantage--the franchise quarterback.
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who knows?
This team is wildly inconsistent but consistently weird. They look sloppy and slow, they look brilliant, one minute or two after they looked like one or the other. They come up with big plays, they seem to fall apart. Teams push the D down the field like shopping carts and then they come up with a goal line stand. The O line is always a crap shoot. Ben, healthy or otherwise, appalls and then amazes and his receivers are the same. Sometimes they seem to thrive on emotional situations, other times they look sluggish and half asleep. They’re too old, they’re too young, they’re too slow, they’re too fast. Willie Gay is the hero in a game where Hines and Heath lose the ball for important turnovers…Ike intercepts……The old vets show them how it’s done, the Young Money flashes its stuff.
And in case that sounded negative, I’m really REALLY enjoying this ride. There have been very few moments in any Steelers game this season when I knew what the final outcome would be. If you just love the fun of watching football, this team is the one you want to follow for the sheer drama of the game, week after week.
I don’t expect that the end of this road will be any different. Who Knows? to me means strap on your protective gear, we’re in for a bumpy landing…..But what fun it’s going to be!! If we have nothing else, we can certainly say: I’ll never forget this season.
GO STEELERS!
by dogthebus on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Same here...
I’ve actually enjoyed this season…and with it comes the improvement from last season.. For example we could see the improvement in William Gay(about time) and also the maturing of our young wide receiver corps… The only real downside is the questionable play by our O-line, but then again they haven’t played that badly.. As for Ben, apart from 1 or 2 bad plays per game he’s been awesome for me and if you take a look at teams like Houston, Kansas City, Chicago….we wouldn’t want to be in those situations…
All in all, after our start to the season, we’ve reached 10-3, and compared to the above-mentioned playoff challenging teams… we should be thankful at this point of time..
They remind of the 2008 team. You never quite knew who is going to make that crucial play to win the game but you knew that on player was going to step up and make it. Every guy on this roster is willing to play to the best of his abbilities for the team.
Regardless of the final outcome of the season we’re very lucky to have a team that is preforming at the top level year after year. And by the looks of it it’s not going to stop anytime soon. The last 2 drafts were simply amazing.
As far as resting players I think they’ll sit players if they feel the injury warrants it. But we can win even if Ben is out for a stretch if the defense steps up like the first four games of the last season.
What a poetic reply
and I’m with you, dogthebus, although it may ruin my stomach and weaken my heart…
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 12, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
These types of decisions will be more obvious until the details are revealed. I expect Pouncey to be out for the rest of the regular season at least, which is a shame because Kemo seems to ruin our offensive line. Ben realistically could use just as much recovery time but as QB might somehow gut it out for the team. I don’t think anyone doubts this is possible, but my guess is that based on “not good” MRI results doctors will advise against playing.
The other players’ injuries are most likely less serious, though Hood’s groin could be troublesome.
Really this article is about the decisions regarding Ben and Troy. Both can play if absolutely necessary, but maybe should be held out for practical or paranoid reasons.
With these injuries, the 49ers look like a tough game. With a loss there, the decision is out of our hands… except for winning one of the last two games to clinch a Wild Card spot.
Don't forget that the 49ers have just lost on Sunday
And now are tied with the Saints for the 2th seed. They will be very motivated against the Steelers. Combine it with their stout front seven and I think it’s not worth it to throw Ben in the meat grinder. He is just one more bad fall from being done for the season.
Plus, having the 5th seed seems to be a ticket to Denver
and this would be a fun game to watch
The good thing is
that we have the luxury of playing Monday so we can see where the chips fall after Sunday. If the Chargers beat the Ravens sunday, like I think they will, then we’d be playing for first place in the AFCN and a first round bye. You wouldn’t sit Ben then. If the Ravens win then I’d have thoughts about letting Ben rest some. But still I want to clinch a playoff berth before I do that. Nothing is guaranteed in this league and you can’t take anything for granted.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Good Point
That was my thought as well, but who is going to get the practice snaps this week? I think you give the majority of the snaps to Batch, since he needs them more and Ben doesn’t need to be putting weight on his ankle anyway, but tell Ben to increase his mental reps because if SD wins he’s in.
If the Ravens win it’s tough to justify playing key players injured. You’re risking losing them for the playoffs to gain a slightly greater chance of a better seed (which may not matter that much anyway).
Thats why the Cincy game kills me
Its @Cincy so its their best shot of them winning. They will likely be fighting for a playoff spot then and all bets are off. There is no way you can know what to do. The best thing is to just play who can play and hope for the best because if you sit your guys and Cincy ends up beating the Ravens, you look real foolish even more foolish than going for it on fourth down on the 1 yard line in a 7-3 game in the fourth quarter when the defense stonewalled you 3 straight times.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The more I look
at the other “contenders” in the AFC, though, the less significant a high seed seems to me.
and you look even more foolish if you play Ben and he busts his leg.
His leg is already busted
should they have set him against the browns then?
you don’t look foolish if you don’t have anything locked up and ben furthers injures his leg, you play to win.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Except that Ryan Clark would be among those watching....
…his medical condition (sickle cell anemia) nearly cost him his life the last time he played in
Denver.
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- Homer J. Simpson
very good point
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by count'em_six on Dec 12, 2011 6:47 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting
question. The bye is always nice; helped us out last year. The extra week would also provide more time to heal.
We also had the bye when we won the superbowl in the 08-09 season, but we didn’t need it to win back in 05-06.
I think from this standpoint, as hard as it will be to get a bye, I’d rather just try to get healthy.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 12, 2011 6:01 AM EST reply actions
Its not hard to get the bye
just win and the Ravens lose and you have the bye.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I mean
ya when you put it like that. Problem is the Ravens losing..
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 12, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
they don't seem to find it difficult
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever the justification may be
Given what’s still at stake (division and 1st round bye), I don’t agree with taking the foot off the pedal. If Ben can get out there, he should be out there. Couple that with momentum being quite important going into the playoffs, (see 2005 Steelers, last year’s Packers) I really think we should punch through.
Hope to God I don’t eat my words.
"I think the beard will decide when the time is right to come back. It will know when the time is right and all of a sudden appear." -The Deisel
It's a tough call, but
I feel that the whole angle of this article is looking ahead to the postseason.
And as any coach, and especially our Tomlin would tell you, you can’t look ahead. You have to focus on one game at a time and make decisions accordingly.
Until we clinch a berth, which would probably be if we win next week, we shouldn’t even be discussing this.
Who’s to say the team doesn’t have a 2009 meltdown with 3 games to go and ends up stayin home in January with a 10-3 record.
Clinch your spot first, then we’ll talk about resting Ben. I personally think the 5 seed wouldn’t be bad, we’ll probably get Tebow to start the playoffs. But win this week, then rest against the two lesser teams. I think you need Ben to beat San Fran, but Batch can probably beat the Browns and Rams.
Are you saying you want Tebow?
Be careful what you wish for. Tebow is made of fairy dust and unicorn blood. The man is pure magic. He worries me as much as Rodgers, Brady and Brees.
Not to mention Denver’s D is playing lights out right now. As strange as their defense is, they’re the scariest team in the AFC after the Ravens.
We had a scenerio..
yesterday (from what I understand) that gave us an automatic playoff spot with both the Raiders and Broncos losing…the Broncos kept that from happening…well actually Marion Barber did with his two costly mistakes.
If the Broncos had indeed lost then I’d rest Ben at least for the 49ers game but since we still are not gaurenteed, Ben has to play if he is able to in my opinion because one backup don’t have it anymore ( Charlie) and the other never had it at all ( Dixon ).
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 12, 2011 7:05 AM EST reply actions
Ben
is the player that worries me this game, especially with Pouncey out. If it were my decision I would sit him and go with my back up. Mundy can step in for Troy and do a solid job.
I understand the keep the foot on the pedal mentality, but blowing the engine doesn’t make sense.
Also hopping that Woodley makes it back this week, if that happens and Harrison isn’t suspended Smith will be running for his life.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 12, 2011 7:30 AM EST reply actions
Unfortunately
I see Harrison being suspended, with a $75K fine. There is too much media talk for this rumor to be smoke. I also think the Browns will be fined $50K. This is why they will suspend Harrison – to justify the Brown’s fine.
I think they should play Ben if they can in S.F. and rack up a good lead. I think Batch is probably practicing with first teamers, and should be inserted into the game if the steelers have a nice lead either in late 2nd or early 3rd, unless he blows it, and BR back in. Tomlin will play it game time. I suspect woodley is also probably going to platoon with Worlids.
I saw a few games this weekend, and again, the OFFICIATING WAS ABYSMAL.
I think the Ravens will lose in San Diego, and the Steelers get the first round bye. Denver will also lose one either to NE or Buffalo.
You heard it here first folks. =-)
San Diego
They might be able to beat the Ravens or they may collapse. They seem to be fairly up and down this year but I guess it is the injuries.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 12, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone is healthy
I expect a high scoring game, the Chargers defense aren’t going to be able to do anything with Torrey Smith, Boldin and Rice.
Likewise the Ravens defense aren’t going to be able to do anything with Gates, Micheal Floyd and Vincent Jackson.
You would think the better QB would win this matchup. That would go to SD. If they don’t implode I think that is what will happen. SD 38 Balt 31
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
O-line may decide it then
SDs o-line is a mess last I saw.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 12, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
it is a mess
but they may be adjusting to it by calling shorter routes more often.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 13, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
There is plenty
of smoke, but I’m not sure it is anything more than conjecture. The commish didn’t say anything about a suspension when asked, only that they would review the play along with all the others. Of course it is Goodell so there is a decent chance that Harrison is suspended a game, after all they liked making him the poster boy last year.
Completely agree with your assesment of how the game should be played, I was just stating that Ben and that leg worry me quite a bit.
The officiating was down right horrid this past weekend.
I think it is quite possible that both the Ravens and Denver lose this weekend.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 12, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Playing injured Ben (or Pouncey, or Troy) for a potential bye...
…may be a Pyrrhic strategy. A seat at the playoff table should be the only goal; once that is achieved, regardless if it comes with a bye, or is “merely” a wildcard slot, then, given the state of our key players, we should sit them out.
Nothing would cause the bile to rise in my throat faster, than to keep Ben playing past a clinched wildcard berth, only to face the Ratbirds in the playoffs with Charlie or Dixon (no offense to Charlie).
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Props
for using the word “Pyrrhic.” And I agree. Especially if you look at how the seedings could shake out. The AFC isn’t that strong this year, and it wouldn’t necessarily hurt to have a bad seed.
You have some strong defenses and running games with Houston and Denver, but it’s tough to win in the playoffs without a quarterback. T.J. Yates and Tim Tebow just aren’t going to be able to do enough to help their team to make a solid showing in the playoffs, and the same could probably be said of Mark Sanchez.
If the playoff picture stays as it stands now, the Steelers would actually end up playing against the two worst quarterbacks in the playoffs on their way to the Superbowl (provided NE beats the Jets, which I admit is iffy since THEY HAVEN’T WON IN THE PLAYOFFS SINCE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING), while NE and Baltimore duke it out with each other.
Personally, I’m okay with that. Risking the loss of key players in the playoffs for the privilege of playing the Patriots or the Ravens in our first playoff game just doesn’t make sense.
Its not the teams I'm worried about
its the grind. The grind of having to play 2 straight road games then going on the road to play NE/Baltimore. When was the last time this team won 3 straight road games (05?). Sure we’ll have woodley back but still it just doesn’t feel right for me so as long as we have a chance of getting a bye we play for it. The teams needs its rest, give Woodley’s hammy an extra week, Harrison’s back, Troy’s ribs, Ben’s everything.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wait and watch
The Steelers can take a wait and watch approach. If the Ravens lose to the Chargers on Sunday then the Steelers should play Ben IF he can play. Otherwise, there is no point in risking injury further because the best case scenario is still the 5th seed.
This is under the assumption that if the Ravens don’t lose to the Chargers I don’t see them losing to the Bengals either.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
high ankle sprains
take a long time to heal, but there is little risk in making things worse. It’s going to come down to pain tolerance for Ben…if Ben can handle the pain, he should play. Pouncey, on the other hand, needs to sit. A center needs his legs to stay productive.
I’m going to convince myself that this is a blessing in disguise, and hope that our passing game will adjust to quicker reads and shorter drops. The beauty of Big Ben is his ability to gut a D inside or outside the pocket. He’s probably the most versatile QB in the league.
We've got heads on sticks...
by Kid-A on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This
I’m going to convince myself that this is a blessing in disguise, and hope that our passing game will adjust to quicker reads and shorter drops.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
If Batch has to play, I really hope we don’t see him playing more than one game. He’s a good guy, great on the sideline, but his ballin’ days are over. He’s terrible. He isn’t mobile, and his passes have nothing on them. He was horrid against the Browns. I’m pretty confident that had a hobbled Ben not returned in the second half, we would have lost. I’d much rather see Lefty in there. He’s not so mobile either, but at least he can fire the ball!
Except that Lefty is on IR...
…do we give Dixon a helmet for game on Monday?
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
I would think they have to..
Ben is one roll over the ankle away from being knocked out of the game (thats if he plays) and Batch is fragile also.
Still would rather have Batch start over Dixon…..but thats not by much.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Dixon has been
injured more in the past two seasons than Batch, just saying
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 12, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Ben plays
I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t dress Dixon as well as Batch. Unless they’ve really liked what they’ve seen out of Hines’ QBing lately : (
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Dixon
over Batch…neither of them is effective throwing the ball. At least Dixon can run
We've got heads on sticks...
by Kid-A on Dec 12, 2011 9:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
My thoughts exactly
I think I understand why Batch is the immediate backup to Ben on gamedays (probably knows the offense a bit better and can come in with very little practice snaps and be as effective as he’s capable of being), but if we have a whole week to prepare a backup QB to start, I want Dixon.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
beating San Fran could keep New Orleans at home for the AFC semi-finals and therefore send NO to Green Bay. That is the best chance to knock out Rodgers before the Super Bowl.
Looking all the way down to the Super Bowl— the Steelers would likely have a better chance against NO. Forget about Florio’s baloney that San Fran (or Chicago-my God!) would have a better chance against the Pack in frigid Lambeau. The best chance against the Packers is to score 35 points. The Saints, Patriots, and Steelers have the passing attack to do that on a pretty good day. That leaves the Saints as the only serious obstacle for the Packers in their march to the Super Bowl. If Ben’s ankle can be be splinted up tight as a drum, then maybe he should play in SF and try to put NO into Lambeau.
i understand where you are coming from
but I want GB in the SB. I want another shot. I feel if we bring our A game we’ll win. I want the Steelers to be the team that makes them 18-1. And quite frankly I don’t care what happens in the NFC right now, we have to get our stuff right before we can concern outselves with the NFC. I don’t start really caring about the NFC until about the 4th quarter of the AFCCG.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Is there a doctor in the house?
I am hoping that an M.D. can tell us the possible risk of worsening a high ankle sprain if Ben does play through the injury. Is there a chance that Ben could make it worse and lengthen the recovery process? Will he be more vulnerable to suffering a season-ending injury if he plays in SF? Without knowing the answers to these questions, it is difficult for me to state whether Ben should play. If we are just talking about pain tolerance, I think that there is a decent chance he will play. However, if he will be risking aggravating or exacerbating the inury, he should probably sit out the SF game.
And what if compesenting for one injury leads to another?
by Anthony Defeo on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
a valid concern
…and its something to consider. But Ive played on a high ankle sprain…if I remember correctly, there is no danger of making that specific injury worse
We've got heads on sticks...
by Kid-A on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Paging Dr. House
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Being as close to 100% heading into the playoffs has always seemed like priority #1 for me
Recent playoff history has shown that the bye week isn’t extremely beneficial for teams, being healthy and playing your best football is more important than getting a week off.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions
There is still the possibility of the Ravens losing 1 of their remaining games. If so and Pittsburgh wins out, we get a bye and the #1 seed, giving us 2 home games.
If Pittsburgh has to go to Denver, to Baltimore and then to Foxboro our odds of making the SB would appear greatly reduced vs 2 games at homeThere is still the possibility of the Ravens losing 1 of their remaining games. If so and Pittsburgh wins out, we get a bye and the #1 seed, giving us 2 home games.
If Pittsburgh has to go to Denver, to Baltimore and then to Foxboro our odds of making the SB would appear greatly reduced vs 2 games at home.
The Texans would also have to lose a game correct?
Although that’s very possible considering they’re rolling with a rookie 3rd string QB now
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think
there’s anyway the Steelers could end up playing both NE and Baltimore as a 5 seed. A more realistic picture is that we play in Denver against a quarterback who can’t complete a pass until there’s less than 5 minutes in the game, then go to Houston to play a 3rd string quarterback, then go to either Baltimore or NE (probably Baltimore since NE presumably will have to play without tape of their opponents’ practices again this year).
If all afc contenders win out
balt-ne-texans-steelers…. (forget about Den and the 6th seed for a moment) that puts Balt as the one seed, Texans as the 2 seed… that means worst winning team plays Balt… that wont be NE, that means NE and Balt are seperate brackets, meaning a trip to both on the road is the only way to the superbowl… Texans, Denver, and the 6th seed are not making it to the AFC championship game….
by OR69faithfull on Dec 12, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
An egregious error
by NFL.com shows the Texans as the current 1 seed with the same record as Baltimore despite having lost to Baltimore earlier in the season. Not sure how that works. If Baltimore wins out and gets the 1 seed then, yeah, the Steelers Road Show doesn’t look nearly as appealing.
I’d probably start Ben, at least, if he can make it. He’ll probably have an ubelievable game working purely as a pocket passer, as he usually does.
You have it out of context......
if both the ravens and texans win out (same rec. currently) conference wins are = and balt has head to head…only an illusion texans are ahead…. point is… we need to play ball now….
by OR69faithfull on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
3 way ties
the head to head doesn’t matter cause baltimore didn’t play the pats. So I don’t know what the tiebreaker would be but I though houston had the 1 seed
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
fairly sure
it goes div. rec, then conf. rec…. Ravens are 4-0 in division, id have to check to verify, or if it goes conf. then div. out of Div same rec tie break…
by OR69faithfull on Dec 12, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
just checked....
it goes record against common opp’s, then better Conf. rec…..beyond that it goes str of victory then str of schedule…pretty obsure things..
by OR69faithfull on Dec 12, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think Texans over Ratbirds...
…because Texans have more AFC wins that Ratbirds
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Isn't head to head first?
And the Ravens beat Houston in week 6… What am I missing?
That ankle
wont be healed till the off season… no sense playing for tomorrow when its possible further injuries will take their toll, not just for us, but all playoff bound teams…. easy enough in my opinion to put together a game plan minimizing risk… San Diego is playing their best ball of the season. I can see them winning a shoot out next week at home… That plays hugh into out favor… granted doubtfull with the Texans remaining schedule we will see the first seed (less tenn plays spoiler week 17) but that second seed 1st round bye brings either NE or Ravens into Heinz Field… if you ask me, thats the only way we get to the superbowl, not likely we would beat both teams on the road… so for this fan…. hit away……
I would say worry more about health going into the playoffs
but with Ben out, this team really suffers IMO. We don’t have the Oline to run consistently, or protect a QB other than Ben consistently (Ben protects himself alot). To be honest I have zero confidence in the offense without Ben.
This team is very different than 2005
In 2005, it wasn’t just that we won the last four games, it was the way in which we did. Against fairly solid teams except one- we dominated on the ground and in defense- the Bears (famous Bettis in the snow run over Urlacher/+100 yard game), Minnesota (142 rushing yards vs. 54/ dominated time of possession), Cleveland (41-0- not much else to say there), and the Lions where we scored 35 points depsite two turnovers. I remember watching “Inside the NFL” and the guys agreeing that, depsite none of them really expecting a Wild Card to win the Super Bowl (because it had never been done), the Steelers were the scariest Wild Card they could remember seeing. I don’t think you can compare the two teams and think even for a second “Well…the bye isn’t what it used to be- we can rest and make it just like we’ve done in the past.” Green Bay may have made it last year- but it’s been well-documented on this site that if it were not an uncapped year, it’s likely the Packers wouldn’t have even made the playoffs based on the amount of shuffling of personnel they would have had to do (like the Steelers have had to do this year…no Flozell/ wait for Starks/ can’t go after a career guard, etc..) So- I think you throw out last year’s GB case on that basis. I think you go after that bye with everything you’ve got. Unlike some, I doubt we can beat Baltimore in Baltimore, and I’m really not sure we could beat NE away either. You know Belichick will put a team and strategy on that field that will look nothing like what we saw in October no matter where they play..being away will be extremely challenging for this team. One final point- I don’t know if I can remember a Steelers team that played so much differently away as at home in any given year. We’ve really, really struggled on the road this year, winning ugly if we win at all. That bye is more preciious for this team than any Steelers squad I can remember over the last many years.
Don't see a way out of 5th seed....but
Let’s be honest. Besting the ratbirds by one game in our current physical state will be to tough.
But follow my fantasy for a sec
If you look at the schedule you can make a case for NE and Hou going 1-2…either way but Houston is better if they’re one.
I’ll take the Denver game as a W. Jets at 6 go to Balt..not impossible but say Balt advances
Sorry!
So as a 2 NE gets Balt and wins. Getting rid of ratbirds
We slap Tyler Yates around as he implores in his first playoff game.
We go to NE and tear up the NE secondary
It ’s off t Indy for a rematch.
Come on!
by delisixburgh on Dec 12, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Going to get killed for this
The given, Batch did not look good with the few snaps he took Thursday night. We all know Ben has taken just about every snap in practice to this point. Charlie will now get a full week of practice with the first team, getting a little continuity and rhythm. With that said, Pittsburgh can and will win against the 49ers with or without Ben. Rest up Ben Ole ass Charlie got one more mojo left in ’em. GO STEELERS!!!
"you will hardly know who I am or what I mean"-Walt Whitman
Health is relative
Play now to get a bye laterthereby forcing the issue and risking injury or play not and risk going on the road. I would assume the get a wc spot and after that it’s up to them to be road warriors. Rest bens ankle and pounced too as it matters not so long as you are healthy for the playoffs. I would sit him on this week and Hope for a w.
Impose your will.
Everyone who can play, plays until playoff seat is secured...
…then you take it one game at a time as to who rests and who plays. Gotta get into the playoffs no matter what. The delicate balancing act comes after.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
True but if they r questionable then sit.
Impose your will.
BTSC NEEDS NEW "WRITERS"
God damnit ANTHONY! What is this rubbish. Charlie Batch can do just fine if Ben is out for good and lead us to our 7th superbowl “behind the steel curtain”.

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