Prater, Broncos D Keep Steelers From Clinching Playoff Berth In Week 14
A lot needed to happen for Pittsburgh to clinch Mike Tomlin's fourth playoff season in his fifth year.
If not for field goals of 59 and 51 yards from Denver K Matt Prater, and a suffocating defensive performance in a Denver 13-10 (OT) win over Chicago, the Steelers would have qualified for the 2011 NFL Playoffs at the end of Week 14.
Along with Pittsburgh's win Thursday Night win over Cleveland, it needed losses from Cincinnati (20-19 to Houston), Tennessee (22-17 to New Orleans), Oakland (46-16 to Green Bay) and Denver. to return to the playoffs to defend its AFC Championship crown.
Despite being down 10-0 to Chicago with two minutes left in the game, Denver ensured the Steelers would have to wait at least another week to clinch. Prater drilled a 59-yard field goal at the end of regulation to send the game to overtime, and after Denver's defense recovered a Marion Barber fumble inside Broncos territory, QB Tim Tebow led the Broncos (8-5) to the game-winning field goal.
A win over San Francisco in Week 15 will put Pittsburgh in the postseason.
Houston defeated Cincinnati in dramatic fashion, as rookie QB T.J. Yates hit Kevin Walter for a 6-yard touchdown pass with two seconds remaining. Houston never led the game until its final two seconds.
With that, and Tennessee's loss, Houston clinched its first ever AFC South division championship, and will be in the playoffs for the first time in franchise history.
Tennessee lost QB Matt Hasselbeck in the first half, but rookie Jake Locker threw for 280 yards and a touchdown, and rushed for another score. The Titans had the ball at the Saints 5-yard line when Locker was sacked to end the game.
Oakland was on the wrong side of a thorough 46-16 whipping by Green Bay. The Packers led 31-0 at halftime, but the Raiders played considerably better in the second half, after turning the ball over four times (three Carson Palmer interceptions and a failed fake punt) in the first two quarters.
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Headline should be
“Marion Barber Keeps Steelers from Clinching Playoff Berth in Week 14”.
You should be praising me
I’m the only writer in the country who didn’t type the word “Tebow” in the headline, as well as didn’t type “Tebow” in the first 100 words of copy.
If the situation was flipped, and Caleb Hanie was the quarterback, the headline would be about Gould and the Bears D, and the story would be about how Barber’s fumble cost Tebow another comeback.
Funny how things change…
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I like Tebow for the Broncos
He’ll make sure they are never a true contender. Keep on embracing that charlatan of a QB at your own risk, Denver.
I’ve said this about Romo and Dallas also. I LOVE Romo for Dallas. They’ll never get deep into the playoffs with him.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Although to Romo's credit he did what he needed to do to give his team a chance to at least tie last night
despite terrible clock management from his head coach
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
yes, and that's classic Romo
keep raising the hopes in Dallas… only to crush them when playoff time rolls around. That’s what’s so great about him – he plays just well enough to make them have to keep him. If he just went out and sucked bad enough maybe they’d finally try to get a franchise QB, but he’s like a Bernie Kosar or maybe (for a recent Steelers example) Tommy Maddox – good enough to start but not great enough to finish.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
By the way, my comment is directed at steely mcballs--I agree 100% on both Denver & Dallas.
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
Yeah thanks for not acknowledging Tebow for a while there
Frankly I’m so sick of it. It’s all this ’He’s done it again’
Yes he threw a TD, but sweet lord the Bears defense was terrible in that two minute drill, and his kicker nailed two ridiculous ones PLUS the bears fumbled in OT in field goal range.
A whole lotta luck if you ask me.
Luck, or "other worldly" influence? lol
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
lol
I know a lot of people don’t believe in that but sooner or later you have to admit, ‘no one is THAT lucky’.
Chicago screwed this game up. But like mangini says, more teams lose games than win them, in other words mistakes cost games and more often than not one team wins because of the mistakes of another. I fine that very true. Its a game of imperfections. That being said Tebow is just so polarizing, if people would stop loving him and hating him he wouldn’t get the attention he gets.
Any other QB in this situation the focus would be on the defense and the kicker. But no other QB gets knocked on for hitting wide open WRs.
Its a stark paradox of contesting viewpoints that gets Tebow the hype and causes people to get sick of the hype.
But what can you say other than, such is life.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Tebow definitely gets the special olympics treatment
He wins just by showing up!
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Based on the hype, the NFL would KILL for a Green Bay / Denver Super Bowl.
The chance to fawn over both Rodgers AND Tebow in the same game??? Their collective heads would explode with delight…
And throw in an undefeated season for the Packers and it would be Christmas every day for the NFL and television…
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
the thought makes me sick!
Go Steelers, Go Grinch…….Lets steal Christmas and get #7!
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
The Bears defense went idiotic in the last minute.
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by John Stephens on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't watch the game, but didn't a Bears player run out of bounds when Chicago was trying to run out the clock?
Well, that hardly ever happens so maybe there is nothing to this whole miracle thing. Of course, we’ll see how good the Tebow effect is next week when New England visits Mile High.
About the Steelers playoff scenarios, a lot of the heavy lifting was done this weekend. There isn’t much more that needs to be done. The playoff contract is drawn up, and the only thing they need to do now is cross the T’s and dot the I’s.
Marion Barber was the one who ran out of bounds, hence the first comment
And true, fanatical Tebow “believers” would tell you that the “Tebow effect” is what caused Barber to run out of bounds. He controls the entire field, don’t you know??
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
What about the coaching decision
to run a stretch play on the short side of the field. The bears screwed it up completely.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
See.....
Tebow even controls the opposition’s play calling
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Well, since Brady walks on water...
…should be a good contest.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh
I hate how he yells and fusses at his WR then his OC after he throws an INT then everyone ask, should the OC have been yelling at Brady?
Ugh, Brady has to be the most insufferable QB to play for in the league. For as good as he is, he sure knows how to treat people like crap. I don’t care who you are, you threw the pick, shut up and take it like a man instead of fussing at anyone and everyone who dares to question your decision making.
Had that been any other player, Vick, Ben, DeSean Jackson, TO, James Harrison, Phillip Rivers, the angle by the sports media would have been completely different.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely true.
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
That was a bad throw
don’t throw the rookie that was signed off the street a few weeks before under the bus; man up and realize you should’ve put more on the the throw
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
How pathetic is Cincinnati right now?
And I don’t mean the team as much as the “fans”. The conference leader is in town, your team is still in the hunt for the playoffs, and you can’t even get close to filling your stadium?
This is why the Bungles will always be the Bungles. The lamest franchise in the NFL.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 10:01 AM EST reply actions
I look at it differently...
I couldn’t care less about what the playoff-clinching scenarios were. If the Steelers don’t get into the playoffs with 10 wins and three games remaining, they don’t deserve the playoffs. I was more interested in rooting for Chicago and Cincinnati. My entire focus is getting the Baltimore Ravens another loss. If Chicago holds on yesterday, San Diego comes within one game of Denver and Oakland and now has higher energy to beat Baltimore this Sunday. If Cincy wins yesterday, they remain highly potent in the wild card race and have ultimate motivation to beat Baltimore the last weekend. Getting into the playoffs is a given. Getting that one or two seed is the focal point. Getting the maximum potential for Baltimore to lose again is number one priority.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Dec 12, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
this
the only things that matter right now is pittsburgh winning and baltimore losing, Thats it.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
In the playoffs
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
The problem with this
is that you are letting yourself rely on the Bungles. Ask any Bungles fan- this is a recipe for disappointment.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well
the Bungles and the chargers. Its not that the ravens have always beaten teams they should beat this year.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not relying on anyone...
I am wanting to maximixe the potential for Baltimore to lose, period. I was rooting hard for Cincy yesterday to keep their playoff hopes burning brightly. If they go into that last game controlling their destiny with a win, the chances are better to beat Baltimore. If Denver loses yesterday and San Diego is just one game behind, the Chargers are smelling the Division title and the chances of them beating Baltimore this Sunday increase. I don’t give a tinker’s damn whether the Steelers clinch their playoff spot yesterday or next week or the week after. I want to maximixe Baltimore’s chances to lose.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
If they go into that last game controlling their destiny with a win
AJ Green breaks both legs, Andy Dalton’s head explodes, Pacman Jones pulls out a Glock on the field and starts gunning down referees, and anyone hoping for the Bungles to pull it out feels that familiar tinge of ultimate disappointment as the Bungles implode yet again.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
If we have any control over maximizing Baltimore’s chances to lose, let me know what I need to do.
As it is, Cincinnati still has professional players who get performance bonuses – particularly their rookie quarterback who didn’t sign a very big contract, and a rookie WR who missed some time this year. They’ve also got coaches who – if the team is eliminated before Week 17 – have that last game to make their pitch to be hired on elsewhere very quickly after the end of Week 17.
The problem is, Baltimore just doesn’t lose in Weeks 15-17. We’re the only team to have beaten them in those weeks since Harbaugh took over. And they’re getting better each week defensively.
San Diego’s pretty hot though, it should make for an entertaining game.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Of course we have no control over anything. We’re fans. All we can do is root. And shouldn’t we be rooting for Cincy and Chicago to win to increase chances of teams being more motivated to beat Baltimore? Seems pretty simple to me, but maybe I travel to a different beat :)
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
in theory I agree
but in practice, you can never expect the Bungles to win when you need them to.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
All I’m saying is I think teams have lots of reasons to be motivated to play in Week 17. This isn’t the NBA, and the Bengals are not the Minnesota Timberwolves tanking games to get a chance to win the lottery (that David Stern won’t let them win anyway).
If anyone’s gonna beat Baltimore the rest of the regular season, it’s gonna be either San Diego next week (prime time road game) or Baltimore beating themselves. I’d be fine with any of those, I just don’t see it happening.
My useless $0.02
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
You really don’t see a difference between Baltimore going into Cincinnati and playing a team eliminated from the playoffs or a Bengals team needing a win to get in? I thought Cincy gave them all they could handle in Baltimore already, which is why it was prudent for Steelers fans to root for Cincy yesterday.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Dec 12, 2011 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tebow Time prevents Steelers from clinching playoff spot!
What a winner, lil timmie tebow truly is. Without timmie, the broncos would be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, with lil timmie tebow they are AFC West division leaders. Not bad for a 2 time national champion and former Heisman Trophy winner.
Let the hate begin!
Just thought abou tthat
Without timmie, the broncos would be in the Andrew Luck seepstakes
Thats probably what hurts John Elway the most. You have a once in a generational player coming in the draft and this guy, tebow, can’t stop winning you games so you have a shot at getting him.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
OR
does John Elway finally come to the realization, that Tim Tebow is that once in a generation player, he himself once was. Its getting to the point, that if Elway spends a high draft pick on a QB, the fans, might turn on him. Tebow Mania lives.
If ever a QB drafted in the 1st rd, had to earn his job on the field, its lil timme tebow. And how does timmie, go from scrub passer, who shouldn’t be on the field to one of the best in the league when the 4th qtr comes around? Amazing!
LOL at Urlacher saying he was one of the best running backs they had faced. Classic stuff!
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
sorry friend
I’ll take our QB over god boy in the 4th quarter ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
and in 3 years
the best god boy will be doing is holding a clipboard, probably on someone else’s roster.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I've learned
is to never bet against Tebow. I highly doubt he’ll be holding a clipboard. He is getting better a his footwork starting to read defenses better, in 3 years I think we’ll see a much improved passer.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
well I'm doing it
and if I’m wrong I’ll admit it. But I don’t think I’ll be wrong. Broncos are taking a serious trip down a dead end road with god boy.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
You can say the same thing
about half the NFL an their QBs.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
true enough
but no team is in such a bind as Denver is with Tebow; he’s a fan favorite that sells tickets and jerseys and brings a lot of media attention. Even Cowboy fans (basically all of my mother’s side of the family) are at best ambivalent about Romo, for instance.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Plus....
would anyone put it past a team like Jacksonville or Buffalo or hell even Cleveland to sign Tebow as their starter just for the attention it would bring to thier miserable football towns?
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt that!
He has the best hype in the league! Denver would be stupid to get rid of Tebow, he packs the stands and sells the Jersey’s. And WINS games, at least so far.
As for the godboy remarks, if they are a slam towards Christians, that’s not cool! If its just a smart ass comment about timmies advertant religiosity, continue on.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
god boy remarks
are the latter. There’s plenty of religious people in the NFL that don’t feel the need to advertise it. And if you think god cares about touchdowns, or whether Tim Tebow wins, then god has some pretty screwed up priorities.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly right
Everyone knows God is a Steelers fan anyway. If he cared about Tim Tebow, he would have told him to be an H-back and play here.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
but you gotta admit
last nights Broncos’ win was sort of a Mile High Miracle!
Sorry, couldn’t resist ; )
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
now you're just drinking the koolaid
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I can't help it that Tebow turned my water into wine.....hehe
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
angels in the uprights
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 12, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't we defend Ben at one time like people defend Tebow do now
It doesn’t matter about his stats all he does is win. He’s not a game manager he’s leading these comebacks. So what if his defense is playing well, he still has to take advantage of the great field position. Are these not the same things we said about Ben for his first 4 years in the league.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
look, it's the special olympics treatment again for god boy
simple enough, if Denver’s D wasn’t playing on another level right now, he wouldn’t be leading them anywhere.
For the record, I actually don’t have anything against Tebow, but it’s a sham that Denver’s D is basically getting ignored for their efforts.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
your vehemence and terms such as god boy toward lil timmie, show that you do actually have something against him. I used to be like you, I couldn’t stand his display of religiosity, made me a lil sick. And his pep talks, give me a break.
But I have came around and gotten over my prejudice towards him. Even the part with him being from Florida. To me, so far, while unorthodox, his play is effective and he brings some knd of IT factor with him, that pulls his team along with him.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I say what I say
more to mock our society and sports punditry. I never paid attention to Tebow before now because (GASP) I don’t follow college football. But now, how can I even casually follow the NFL without getting god boy 24/7? Even if I didn’t follow the NFL, I’d be hearing too much about him. He’s just not that good, that’s what I have against him. Sure he plays hard, and that’s to his credit. But Denver’s been winning games because of their defense, not because of Tim Tebow.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
or to put it a different way
what if Tebow were a muslim? And every time he scored or won a game, he shouted “Allah Akbar!!” and had to come out of the game at sundown to say his prayers and face Mecca. But otherwise he was the same “inspirational” guy, and kept getting wins on the backs of the Denver D and kicker… do you really think the story would be the same?
I think he’d be getting death threats, and when Denver won, the sports media would be talking about how well Denver’s D was playing. Or that the kicker nailed some tough kicks. And every time they went out of town he’d have to have a security detail.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
what if Tebow were a muslim? And every time he scored or won a game, he shouted "Allah Akbar!!" and had to come out of the game at sundown to say his prayers and face Mecca.
If he had to come out of a game for it, then the situations obviously are not parallel.
Besides, why are you getting so hot and bothered over it? He’s not forcing anything on anyone, and if you don’t like the way the media is covering it, watch/read something else.
This is coming from the guy who wrote this article, crediting Denver’s kicker and its defense with the bulk of yesterday’s win.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
OK coming out of the game was a bit facetious
but the rest I stand by. It’s just a particular hypocrisy of our society. Whether he’s not forcing it, it’s still getting forced on me. I do watch/read something else, btw, and I can tell you right now your post is singular in that it is basically the only place where Tebow isn’t getting the credit for the win. I can’t even go to non-football places now without all-Tebow, all the time.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I just don’t really take it all that seriously. He’s news. I purposefully chose to not mention Tebow as anything more than a guy who completed some passes in the fourth quarter and overtime, and highlighted other Broncos players.
This will be the most commented on story of the week, and it’ll probably be the only one with a Tebow mention.
It’s interesting to me because he’s arguably the most polarizing athlete since Ali (please note the word “polarizing,” I am not comparing his skill to Ali’s, just how he’s become THE talking point of the most popular sport in our country).
He’s not a great quarterback, no one says he is, but he plays 50 times better in the fourth quarter with the game on the line. Who doesn’t love a great comeback story? No one thinks he can keep this up, and law of averages suggests eventually he’ll lose one of those kinds of games, but he will forever get people (and opponents) thinking of an exciting comeback whenever he steps on the field.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow being the underdog, I have alway rooted for the underdog and I would imagine a large part of my new found Tebow fanship comes from his seemingly overcoming great odds to find success and pull out the wins. Its a good story and thats why its getting the coverage that it does.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was listening to pearl clutcher Colin Cowherd
and he straight up admitted that they track it down to the minute so they know what gets ratings. And whenever they talk about Tebow it brings ratings. But that doesn’t mean I have to like him, and certainly when other more interesting things are happening in the NFL I’d rather that be the top story. But god boy automatically gets the top slot every time now.
As I said up thread, I actually like Tebow for the Broncos. Any time a conference foe is making what looks like a mistake in personnel, I’m going to be in favor of it. But sheesh do we get other peoples’ faith crammed in our faces in this country.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
well you have your answer
Tebow gets top slot because it gets ratings. He is polarizing. People love him or hate him and aren’t afraid to express it.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 12, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
hypocrisy also lies
In everyone and anyone being able to slam Christians and our God with impugnity from the Christians.
Try slamming Muslims or their God and see what happens to you. You will be the one getting death threats and feel their ire.
Burn a Bible, people look at you like you are goofy. Burn a Koran and your life is in danger and you might start a war.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
It is what you want it to be
No one’s slamming anyone’s religion here, let’s keep it on topic, please.
It’s easy to get excited about Tim Tebow as a player. He’s exciting to watch. ESPN’s Tim Keown put it better than anyone else I’ve read on the subject:
“Tebow doesn’t so much win games as he advances upon them and conquers them.”
That style is exciting, and even more, it’s rare. We’re not used to seeing it at the pro level.
If you want to get into his beliefs or what others feel about his belief, then that’s your choice. Let’s just not get into that here.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
that's really silly
you didn’t go to the college I did, where I was told, involuntarily, that I was going to hell in so many inventive ways that it would take me hours to recount them all. I know people who have been threatened by “christians” so I really think you ought to reconsider that sentiment. Muslims are assumed to be terrorists just because of how they were born.
Radicals are radicals and they can come in any color or faith.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, we're done
Everyone has been warned. No specific religious conversation, please. Let’s just keep this about football, and topics associated specifically with football.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I understand
& I apologize to you both.
I will make an effort to let things like this go and make less of an issue in the future. I would rather, everyone just left the G-word, out of this site, collectively.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
You're fine
No worries, no one’s the bad person here.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm the bad person
bad bad bad.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
true.....
at least you have steely mcballs. So you can’t be all bad………….. 8 }
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
heh heh heh
there are all kinds of Steeler fans, and this is where we come for that reason.
But how can you ban religious conversation on the site – wouldn’t that keep us from talking about our favorite religion, THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS?
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
religion?
Ask anybody, the fever is a true beleiver!
headin 4 seven,
GO STEELERS!!!
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Did you not use any of those arguments to defend Ben at all
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ben was a legitimate 1st round choice
Ben was forced into starting his rookie year (this is Tebow’s 2nd year). What was being said about Ben wasn’t that he wasn’t a legitimate NFL QB, it was that he was too young and needed more time to develop. Lest we forget, Ben actually hoed this road for Tebow, Sanchez, Dalton and other young QBs. Before Ben, the common wisdom was that you couldn’t throw an untested young QB out there and expect to win.
Furthermore, the national sports media wasn’t shoving Ben in peoples’ faces 24/7 like he was the second coming. For the most part the story was that our D was so good all he had to do was manage the game to win. And it was mostly true. it was easy enough for me to see at that time, however, that he was going to develop into a great QB, our franchise guy and the kind of player we’d been hoping for since the days of Terry Bradshaw.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Furthermore, the national sports media wasn’t shoving Ben in peoples’ faces 24/7 like he was the second coming.
I’d check with non-Steelers fans on that. I’m pretty sure they’ll disagree.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
well I do remember 2004
the drink has affected my memory that much! It was totally different, sure Ben won a lot of consecutive games but the truth was that he was a rookie and the Steelers (as usual) had a very good D. That definitely came up that year, and it was often mentioned alongside the story of Ben winning as much as he did. The difference here is that I don’t recall a lot of Steelers fans or sports pundits making it out like Ben was basically the reason the Steelers were winning. It wasn’t like sports radio had endless discussions about Ben that year and certainly wasn’t like most of the sports pundits felt like Ben wasn’t going to be a legitimate NFL QB. To this day the consensus (I listen to ESPN, Fox and Yahoo sports radio) is that Tebow won’t be around in 3-4 years and the Broncos are getting caught in the Tebow trap.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I am with you.
I don’t think these comments are made because you hate Tebow but because of all the hype and non-sense discussion that credits Tebow for ll wins and while in this process they are ignoring the great D they have. The reason there are 4th qtr comebacks is because D is the only reason you get that chance.
He is being overly praised for doing a sub par job at the position.
It is not fair even to think that Orton being replaced by him isthe cuase of all of this success. What I think he has done is fuelingthe emotional fire to the team. So if u care about emotional fire more than QB playin as a QB then you give him all the credit. The bottom line is this emotional crap will run out once they loose one game. If he had carried the team on his shoulder then he is worthy of all this discussion. But he has not. Maybe,
Denver needs to hire him as an emotional therapist on the sideline and give him a job to fire up every unit before they enter the field.
This is a joke that I even wasted my time writing this. This should have been clear.
by NO1KTA on Dec 12, 2011 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If people didn't watch the coverage he wouldn't be on TV
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
People like to believe the media are some dark entity with their own agenda. They actually make decisions to put certain teams on national TV based on the likelihood people will want to watch that team.
Don’t think for a second networks aren’t falling all over themselves to get the Broncos on TV right now. NBC and CBS nearly went to court over the upcoming Patriots/Broncos game. Just look at how much we’re talking about him here.
It’s not the media forcing society, it’s society wanting it and the media following on that.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I know this fact
Journalism student
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Journalism graduate.
Hope you’re ready to learn how to stretch a dollar and get done with work at 4 a.m. =)
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I have written many a story for the student newspaper at 2 in the morning
it’s always fun
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I was the editor of mine
Not sure I ever wrote a story when the sun was out.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
Contrary to popluar belief Sportscenter doesn’t drive the news, as most think. We do as consumers and they’re only putting out there what we choose to consume. A story like Tebow is perfect for them because he’s so polarizing. Some absolutely love the guy and an equal amount absolutely hate him but BOTH sides are watching.
The same can’t be said for talking about Houston’s playoff chance with TJ whoever at QB because on a national stage no one knows who that even is
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm also a former journo student
I agree with these points but sometimes also it is the media’s job to make people pay attention to things that aren’t getting it. And also it’s the media’s job to recognize when a story is drowning out everything else. Too much of our “journalism” is actually “infotainment” – based on clicks or ad revenue and not based on the value of the information to society in general. From where I’m standing, it’s often lazy journalism to just go with the lead that gets viewers/readers because you’re missing the larger story.
And thanks, Neal for giving us the larger story in this post, btw
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by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Too much of our "journalism" is actually "infotainment" – based on clicks or ad revenue and not based on the value of the information to society in general.
There are plenty of sites and publications out there that adhere to the pure concepts of journalism. The problem is, not too many people read them – or at least, not nearly as many as the infotainment sites. I watch games on TV, outside of that, I get somewhere close to zero percent of my sports information from TV, mostly because I hate the stuff you’re talking about. But not everyone does that. The same people who cry about ESPN are the ones watching every day to find something new to cry about. Simply don’t watch it, and you won’t really care about it.
(clearly, this site is written from an infotainment perspective, and I have no problem admitting that. I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Sports are ultimately subjective. Since I don’t get paid, I can’t be traveling all over to interview for stories, or do things legit journalists would do. I feel it’s important to point that out right now.)
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
up where I live in the mountains
we can’t get a broadcast signal or cable. So I have to rely on the internet and radio, for the most part. I do get out to see games in sports bars when it’s possible. So when I go to nfl.com I get the disappointingly sensationalistic coverage (“Tebow Does It Again!” or “League Considering Suspension For Harrison”) or I get the ratings-guided babble of sports talk radio, which here lately has definitely been all-Tebow, 24/7, when they talk NFL. But I rarely watch ESPN anymore, unless it’s specifically to see a game.
I understand the purpose of this site, it’s for fans. It’s basically the only Steelers site I take in anymore. By far the best in terms of history and analysis.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
one thing to add
is that plenty of media orgs, whether sports or otherwise, do make editorial decisions on how they are going to cover a story. If you don’t believe that, I give you ESPN and the James Harrison hit. They definitely went all in on suspension for that one. It was too clearly an ESPN-wide decision to come down on the side of illegal hit and “Harrison isn’t learning”
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by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
its a conspiracy, i tell ya.
Steelers are a bad, bad, team! You can tell the Refs are against us too. That last game was patheticly officiated. I saw a ref in the first Bengals game, almost cry while giving the call against the Bengals. I have never been one to blame the refs or play lawyer ball, but it is evident that the Steelers have been getting the worst end of the officiating over the last couple of years. It pisses me off, but what can ya do.
Harrison is perhaps looking at a suspension. When do they come out with the list of fines?
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN’s biggest issue is it’s way too big. They argue and contradict themselves, mostly. Not to mention Adam Schefter and Jamison Hensley are two completely different kinds of reporters, and both of them are reporting on the same topic yesterday – Schefter mentioning talk is going on about a possible suspension, and Hensley opining about why he feels Harrison should be suspended.
But people take that to mean ESPN wants Harrison suspended. Adam Schefter and Jamison Hensley have probably never exchanged emails before this came out. Schefter has a job to report a story like that, and Hensley has a job to offer his opinion on it. They work for the same company, but the two of them have nothing to do with each other.
I thought both of them handled it just fine. Nothing wrong with Hensley’s opinion (except I completely disagree with it), but Schefter is reporting what sources tell him, not confirming it will happen or giving his opinion on it. But if you see both of them as representative of ESPN, then you think ESPN has an ax to grind. I think there are way too many of analysts offering opinion to justify the amount of news they break, and that’s their problem. The analysts all have to be unique, so they push the line by taking bold stances on things and oftentimes providing way too much fuel to what is merely speculation.
It gets to the point (like yesterday) where so many ESPN folks weighed in on Harrison’s hit and possible suspension, ESPN itself isn’t taking any kind of clear stance on the matter. They’re just a collection of talking heads spouting off, no differently than everyone here at BTSC commenting on articles.
They really should want to be more organized than that, but that’s just me.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
well
I wasn’t even counting Schefter, I know what his role is. By my count they had two polls and several articles about it on their website. But what was most curious, and why I count it as a meme they had developed is that the phrase, “Harrison isn’t learning” popped up in several places at the four letter network on Friday, online and on the radio. That was no coincidence, and you don’t see that unless editorially it’s something they’ve decided to push. I listen to ESPN radio enough to know when they’re working a message, because you hear the same or similar phrases repeated throughout the day (and there are some hosts of shows that will cop to it, I know Scott Van Pelt has acknowledged before that they sometimes get directives on what to talk about).
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by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I really think Tebow just plays football the old-fashioned way; with emotion and power. Not to further add to the annoying romanticism that accompanies his legacy, but he wins games because he plays to win them. Chicago, the Jets, to an extent, San Diego, looked intimidated; they were playing not to lose. He plays so hard, seem to be afraid to hit him in the fourth quarter.
Personally, if we ended up playing the Broncos in the playoffs, I think Ryan Clark hits Tebow with everything he has. Clark probably won’t win that hit, but it’ll remind the team the Steelers are the tough guys here, not Tebow.
All that stuff aside, the Broncos won that game with their kicker first, and their defense second. Credit to Tebow, but it’s ridiculous to put his name in in headlines today. Prater was lights-out, and that defense forced six 3-and-outs in the fourth quarter and OT, and forced/recovered a fumble.
And please don’t response “Tebow inspired them!” I’m really tired of that.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
If it's in Denver Clark won't play
remember
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't play once
I have a REALLLLLLLLY tough time thinking Ryan Clark won’t suit up for a playoff game in Denver.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
playoff game, possibly dying
I’m going with he’s sitting this one out
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't play ONCE b/c that's the only time we've been back since his hospitilization right?
The guy nearly died the last time he played there right?
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
lost his Gall Bladder if I'm not mistaken
Damn Sickle Cell
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"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
He did not travel with the team or play there in 2009
That was the last time we played in Denver.
Not to be insensitive, but Ryan Clark plays a game that has severe health risks and dangers. I’m not saying he should (I’d support him either way), I’m saying I think Tomlin would have to tell him he’s not playing for him to not play.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I beleive Tomlin told Clark to stay home, the last time we visited Denver. I would imagine that Clark will stay home this time, unless he has had some kind of cure for Sickle Cell since 2009. Don’t think that’s the case.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but he doesn’t have any more spleens or gall bladders to lose. I don’t think the same risks are there
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He lost those organs because of the sickle cell
he still has that disease and high altidude does not react well with it
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that the disease affected those organs. So yeah, obviously I don’t know much about sickle cell.
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Sickle Cell effects all your organs because it's a deformity in the blood cells themselves
instead of being circular they are shaped like a smashed red blood cell and they don’t have the same ability to flex because of their rigidity. Making it harder for them to abosrb oxygen and they clot easier because of the shape and rigidity of them. That is what caused him to lose his Gall Bladder and Spleen, A) he didn’t have enough oxygen going to those organs B) and because the cells can’t flow like normal they formed clots and made it that much more difficult to get oxygen throughout his body
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
ewww. Thank you for explaining it to me. Well in that case, he probably shouldn’t go back out there lol. I vaguely remember before the 09 game someone talking about it and saying it was unlikely to happen again, but they were keeping him out as a precaution. Either way, him being alive is most important
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A reporter told Tebow
what Urlacher had said and asked what he thought. It actually pulled him up short for a split second, and then he laughed and said “I guess coming from a really good player that means a lot.” There’s a fascinating article by Chuck Klosterman at Grantland. He makes this interesting observation:
Tebow has profound social intelligence, at least when he speaks in public. It’s not that he usually says the right things; he only says the right things, all the time.That’s one of the things that people find so maddening about him, I think. He had just said a bunch of nice things about Brian Urlacher earlier in the interview, and then a reporter sandbags him with this comment. Surely any normal person would have either acted hurt, or angry, or said something they would regret. He doesn’t make those mistakes, at least thus far, and it’s very impressive. I wish I had half his composure at well over double his age…
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Problem is he comes across to some people as fake.
And since they conclude he is fake in this, he is then fake in all that he does. So people tend to blow off everything he does.
by steeler fever on Dec 14, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
If only Tebow had went to Stanford, like Elway and Luck.
Maybe timmie would be, more acceptable to the great John Elway!
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Ya know what would suck?
Being the QB Denver drafts in the first round next year. That poor guy would have NO chance of ever being embraced in that city. When he succeeds, he loses. If he doesn’t lead the Broncos to comeback win after comeback win, he’ll be shredded.
He’ll be the anti-Tebow.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think they will draft a QB in rd 1
The fans want Tebow and as of right now, whether Elway likes it or not, the job of Broncos’ starting QB is Timmies to lose. And in all honesty, so far, the kid has been winning.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Elway didn’t refuse to play for Indianapolis because of the fans. Why is he going to make largely impactful decisions based on what the fans want now?
I’m not suggesting that will be the Broncos priority, I’m just suggesting it as a joke. But don’t think for a second if Matt Barkley somehow falls down to wherever the Broncos are, they won’t think long and hard about taking him.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
U could be right
But it would definitely lead to a Mile High Crisis! So much drama for espn to discuss ad nauseum.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
The 66th player drafted, wearing #6?
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Thank you, I'm glad someone got that
I couldn’t come up with a clever line to tip off the joke. You did. Thank you
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why
everyone acts like Elway has disparraged Timmie, all he said is that he wouldn’t confirm that Tebow is their franchise QB. That is hardly hate, maybe he is trying to push poor lil Timmie to work harder on his fundamentals to become a better overall QB.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 12, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think rational conversation is possible with the Tebow nation. Anything other than coming out and saying “He’s the greatest ever, and we will sign him to a lifetime guaranteed deal” will be construed as some sort of slight against him. It’s just the way it goes.
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agree
I will also mention here, that even though this was a poast shinning the light on the Denver D and kicker the majority of comments still revolve around lil Timmie
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by stillergorillar on Dec 13, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure the Broncos would be in the same position with any game manager. Their defense and running game is just very good.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
You have to wonder, though,
Where was that defense when Kyle Orton was under center?
I mean, this team started 1-4! All of a sudden, they shaved 15 points allowed per game off their average. If you just looked purely at the numbers, and somehow had no idea who Tim Tebow was, just that he’s credited largely with the team’s positive turnaround, you’d think he played on the defensive side of the ball.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I attribute that to the emergence of Von Miller. He was learning, but he learned quick. He seems to be the general (just from what I’ve seen)
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so one player who hasn't played the last two weeks turned it all around
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
He was out there yesterday
And the Broncos gave up 32 points at Minnesota in Week 13 – when Miller didn’t play.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
could've swore he didn't play yesterday
and the Vikings put up 24 on the Lions with Joe Webb playing most of the second half
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
why does it say he had 4 tackles then?
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I could've swore he had surgury on his hand and they held him out for that game
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve checked multiple sites now, they both say he was out there and had 4 tackles and a sack yesterday
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I was refering to the Vikings game
I should’ve clarified
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
He did
He missed Week 13 at Minnesota, but played in Week 14 vs. Chicago.
The difference in the Broncos defense was significantly changed when he wasn’t in there. Obviously that’s not all on one guy, but Miller’s having a helluva year.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
so one player who hasn’t played the last two weeks turned it all around
Miller is scary good. Lebeau would probably cream his pants for a chance to have him on his defense
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Dec 12, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
The Tebow conversation should be couched
around his leadership, being a motivator. He is never wavered, he has composure, he has a positive attitude. Others can rally behind him because he is authentically himself, and he has little ego so he is focused on supporting team unity.
About whether he is winning games by carrying the team on his shoulders….depends on your perspective and qualifications for that. Ben does it, but in a different way which is based on his outstanding skills as a quarterback, albeit a unique skill set. But a defense that knows that if they fight hard and keep the game close, then they have a chance in the end (without the QB melting down) and their effort will not go for naught….you have to wonder.
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
Tebow’s playing style (lots of running) has a tendency of controlling the clock better. Orton isn’t much of a game manager.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Dec 12, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say this for Tebow
his WR’s had a lot of drops. Some of those incompletions hit his guys between the numbers, I believe 2 were “sure” TDs. Only saw some of the game, but he’s nowhere near as bad as people make him out to be. Give him 3 years, and he just might be a bonafide starter. But nothing like learning on the job- he seems to learn quick.
People freakout about incompletions
when sometimes it’s your best play or as you pointed out receivers drop the ball. Like the DeMarious Thomas drop which hit him in the hands and if he lays out he has it.
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
He definitely looks a lot better now than he did when he first played
I thought he made some really nice throws yesterday. He’s still limited as far as what throws he’ll make in each game, but he’s not the worst QB in the league anymore.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
as the Browns showed us on Thursday
the worst QB in the league is any QB that gets put back in after getting waylaid by James Harrison
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by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
and this w/o a training camp or meaningful off season workouts.
Hell, Tebow was 4th string QB in the lil training camp they did get. Don’t get many repetitions as an after thought.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
On a completely different topic
How about Steelers West, beating SF yesterday? Wondering if people here think that makes our game Monday night more or less difficult.
I’m of two minds- either they are the contender they have seemed to be all year and this will be as tough as it gets because they’ll be mad coming off a game they shouldn’t have lost, or they’re fading and really didn’t have the juice necessary to carry them into late January or beyond. Hoping it’s the latter but we need to be ready for one angry Niners team.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
Can both be true?
I think they will be angry and on a big stage and will give it there best, but I also wonder if they aren’t fading fast and will not make much of a splash in the playoffs. I think we get the 49ers last good game and are gonna have to play a good game of our own to for the Steelers to beat them. Esp. at SF.
by steeler fever on Dec 12, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
really a nice "advantage" for Steelers
to have 11 days between a Thursday and following week Monday game, especially when the game is west coast. Do they travel out there a day or two early to help adjust to the time difference?
I agree maybe this is both things happening – an angry but fading team. Provided the NFL doesn’t absurdly suspend James Harrison, I think we saw with what happened in their game vs the Ravens that they can’t withstand a healthy pass rush. I know Worilds and Woodley are supposed to be platooning right now, but does anyone have an update on Woodley’s status?
I’ve said ever since our last game with Baltimore that the difference between our D being good and scary good is having both a healthy Harrison and Woodley lining up. I just don’t think most teams have an answer for both of them, and I don’t think we lose that Ravens game at home if we have them both. No way that last drive happens.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
If you guys lived anywhere near Denver you would understand the Teblow hate.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh

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