James Harrison Will Not Play Monday Night at San Francisco
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 10:45 AM EST
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PrintNot surprisingly, Steelers Digest is reporting the appeal James Harrison made on his 1-game suspension was denied by Ted Cottrell, one of two men paid by both the league and the union to handle disciplinary appeals.
James Harrison will not play in Pittsburgh's Monday Night game at San Francisco in Week 15.
Harrison appealed the suspension, which was given after he struck Browns QB Colt McCoy in the facemask just miliseconds after McCoy released the ball from outside the pocket. McCoy had tucked the ball, and was running, thus making him a runner and not subject to the same rules as a quarterback.
NFL rules state defensive players are still liable for hitting a quarterback in a defenseless position. The extremely short amount of time between McCoy changing from a runner to a quarterback was likely the grounds for Harrison's appeal, but it wasn't ever considered to be likely to pass.
While Harrison's suspension is a first under NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for actions between the whistles on the field, denial of an appeal certainly isn't a first. Harrison appealed a string of fines in the 2010 season and a portion of the money he was fined was eventually returned.
That is pretty much the only appeal that has ever succeeded.
Goodell and a group of league executives (Ray Anderson and Merton Hanks) dole out the fines and suspensions, and Cottrell and Art Shell - both former coaches and Shell is a former player - hear the appeals. It's rare when details of the appeal surface, but the group almost always sides with the league. The salaries of Cottrell and Shell are provided by both the league and the union in an effort to establish a fair process.
Jason Worilds will start in place of Harrison at the ROLB position, and LaMarr Woodley will return to his usual LOLB position - Worlids has been playing there since a hamstring injury forced Woodley out of action essentially since Week 9.
Harrison, the 2008 Defensive Player of the Year, has eight sacks this season in nine games played.
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Disgusted
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
On the plus side
I think you will get a preview of how your starting OLBs for the 2013 season look.
I feel for you on the hypocrisy of the league, and lack of transparency, but am now hopeful Alex Smith lives to see next Tuesday.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 16, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, however...
Every game is critical at this point if we look to seize a division crown and a first-round bye. There’s a strong chance (IMO) that the Ravens struggle on the west coast Sunday night and a win for us on Monday would certainly pave the way.
Formerly known as "headbanger33".
Let's start in the insanity...
True
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Just a preview Raven...
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Goodell Destroying the NFL
Goodell is ruining the NFL. Not because he wants to encourage player safety. I’m all about that. He’s destroying football because his approach to player safety is so two-faced and uneven.
If the NFL really cared about player safety, then they would give up money from ownership to support player safety. As it is right now, they support player safety just far enough to take away money from the players. In other words, as long as they don’t lose any money, then they support player safety. The only people who are negatively impacted are the people they are trying to protect.
Then there’s the fact that discipline is handed out so unevenly. Sure, if you’re a Steelers player then you know you will get the harshest penalty (Ben’s suspension, Harrison’s suspension), but otherwise the penalties are totally unpredictable. And the appeals all go to the laughable Kangaroo court which has nothing but PR as their goal – don’t want to make poor Roger look bad!
Worst. Commissioner. Ever.
And it’s hard to say that with Gary Bettman still in office.
grain of salt
*shocked face*
Unfortunately, he didn’t exactly help himself with his attitude and defiance, but groveling is not his style. His Twitter/FB feed was interesting, with the talk of ‘snakes in the grass’. Is he learning to be a bit more subtle? lol
Boy are we limping into Monday, though. He will certainly be missed. I sure hope Woodley is really ok this time.
by Kita on Dec 16, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can’t help think that, in part, this is because Harrison said he wouldn’t piss on Goodell if Goddell were on fire. I’m sure that James has learned his lesson and would now, if given the chance, definitely piss on Goodell.
by stylepoints on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree.
However, public figures need to be able to take the heat without becoming petty. Goodell is not doing anything to make himself appear to be above the fray, and what type off example does that set for the players and, not to be to ridiculous about it, for kids across the country that follow the NFL?
by the_proph on Dec 16, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are certainly correct
But when everyone involved is acting like a child, it’s the person with the highest rank who wins.
I wonder if league owners are looking critically on how their brand may be getting hurt by Roger; even for people who dislike Harrison or the Steelers, the lack of a common, transparent standard has to be troubling. It’s a problem when the same rules don’t apply to everyone.
On a related note, the officiating has been lousy this year, across the board.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 16, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Of Course...
the owners are looking at it. Just as they are looking at the issue of head injuries and huge class action law suits if they don’t act. Bottom line is the bottom line. The league will go as far as it can to protect the players AND the revenue streams. Dresses and flags will be too far; but fines, suspensions and some sissy rules are the leagues best effort and maintaining a violent game while still “protecting” the players.
There was this buffalo bills player, Chris Kelso maybe, who wore a soft shell on his regular helmet. From a physics standpoint, a one inch piece of foam to slow the deceleration of your skull makes a lot of sense… I actually liked watching it when he made a hard tackle with his shoulder, the foam cap would fly off giving the visual impression that his head popped off!
by steelerwheeler on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
That was Kelso
And he was doing that long before the “newer” style helmets came out. Smart guy.
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by Fifty-Eight on Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Since 31 approved the CBA
giving Goodell ultimate power, doesn’t seem like the owners care too much
Things can always be worse....
I ...
would certainly piss on the SOB.
by biggcat on Dec 16, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
After
He’s burnt to a crisp though. Inflict maximum damage.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
I Wouldn't Want....
For him to be dead. If he was dead he wouldn’t know I pissed on him.
Sad days. Its a different game...
…and if I have to hear another ESPN commentator incorrectly say “crown”, I’m going to go helmet-to-helmet with the frozen corpse of Walt Disney
We've got heads on sticks...
by Kid-A on Dec 16, 2011 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
its called crown for a reason
A crown goes on top of your head. So the crown of your helmet its the top of the head, not your forehead, not the front of your head.
They use the term because all football players know not to hit with the crown of your helmet, so you hear the words and automatically think spearing.
Its more for shock value than anything. Its not meant to be correct. Anyone who was watching the hit knows it wasn’t spearing which is hitting with the crown of your helmet.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice explanation
But I am still holding out hope that Kid-A will attempt to spear a frozen corpse with the crown of his helmet. It could be a Myth Busters episode…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 16, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
It's official
We need an “All Worlids” performance from his replacement then. The Standard is The Standard.
GO STEELERS, party like its us against the world. Expose the 49ers as the 2nd tier team they are.
by Larrybob8187 on Dec 16, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hope the Steelers win regardless
but I will not be watching. See you folks some time next week.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
cool beans
i’m afraid I’m still gonna watch.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why aren't you watching?
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am very unhappy with NFL HO
They are ruining the game for me. I had to step away for a bit, a sorta of personal boycott. If the decisions coming out of the NFL HO and if the brutal officiating continue to deteriorate then I will likely stop following the NFL altogether. It is a personal choice.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm With you.
I know it won’t make a difference to the NFL but you gotta stand for something.
People’s inaction about things is the downfall of democracy.
this
we’re way to apathetic and comfortable as a society
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely true
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 16, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'll watch.
I’m going to the game, so not watching would be hard. But I totally respect your decision.
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by Fifty-Eight on Dec 16, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just for the sake of what we know the cameras won't show...
…because I’m sure they’ve already been told what to do…
I’ll be taking pictures of as many pieces of anti-Goodell propaganda I run across.
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by Fifty-Eight on Dec 16, 2011 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll watch, but respect your decision not to watch.
I considered this too (for about a minute) and understand the symbolism in your decision. I’m watching not because I support the NFL and their infinite ass wisdom… I’m watching in support of the team I dearly love and who, through thick or thin, does what they do through adversity.
You’re not alone, COSF. Respect your ideals.
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Agree
I will watch every Steelers game I can, I haven’t missed one game in 25 years, but I have stopped watching other games. I used to watch every single game I could possibly see, didn’t matter who was playing. But now, it’s pretty much just the Steelers, there are way too many penalties in games, way too many penalties that are terrible calls, worse plays that aren’t called penalties at all, plus the only talk you here is about penalties and fines and suspensions. It’s so annoying, plus with the disparity between legal and non-legal hits, and difference in penalties for punching people or just playing football or supplying the chicago area with copious amounts of narcotics. Player conduct was something Goodell wanted to take care of but instead he has made it front and center constantly and his handling of the situations is a joke. Not enough players are griping yet and no owners that I know of and even though I think he’s ruining the game, if the people who employ him think he’s doing right by them then it doesn’t matter. I would be furious if I were the Rooney’s, I wouldn’t stand for this treatment, for sure since it might effect the outcome of our season. But that’s just me.
by SteelCity G on Dec 16, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
Not watching Monday. Boycott time if there ever was one.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Definately understand
but consider just streaming the game illicitly. I’m sure that fans watching his “product” for free really torques Rog & Co. off.
Definately not going to be buying any NFL licensed merch for a while though.
Wonder if a severe drop-off in the sales of NFL licensed Steeler merch would get their attention?
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
I am so shocked!
Seems like Godel like to set precedent against the Steelers. First BB, now deebo! BTW, where is Seymours suspension for punching out 2 players????
A man is innocent untill proven guilty...Even if it's Ben Roethlisberger!
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by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
hmmm, sex assault and continued illegal hits with follow up verbal stupidity. i’d say you guys are finally getting your medicine. i’d rather have Ray Lewis helmet to helmet Ward again in exchange for the release of your knuckle head.
Hmmm
unproven allegations, and the same hits your players put on others. I’m sure you would love to see lil Ray Ray head hunt again.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Is Hurd playing for Chicago?...
…after all, he was only trying to buy a year’s supply of coke and grass, not tackle a QB who posing as a runner.
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To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Ummm I think dude is sitting in a jail in Chicago. I don’t think he’ll get a “work release” for this one. Bet he gets a $15K fine for missing a meeting though….. /NFLsarcasm
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
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Pretty sure we won't see Hurd's name on a stat sheet ever again
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell is the point of the appeals process?
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why do you think the Steelers didn't ratify the CBA?
…it was for this very reason. Only team with the cajones to question the process (Troy, Clark, Harrison, Farrior in particular). The NFLPA “buys in” by paying part of the salaries of the “appellate court” to give the appearance of impartiality, but come on…everyone knows its a ruse. Our judicial system requires an appellate court to state its reasons for its findings, you would think even II Duce’s kangaroo court would do the same, but that would be too much like the NFL’s marketing department posting pictures for sale of Harrison’s hit – any published justification for the denail would expose further the hyporcisy of the League.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Dec 16, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
* denial
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Dec 16, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The purpose of the appeals process....
is mostly to create the illusion that the process is fair, balanced and non-arbitrary.
by Kita on Dec 16, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Why go for consistency and fairness
when it’s much easier to have it appear that you care about those things, without actually being inconvenienced by them?
Agree.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 16, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Transcript of Appeals Hearing:
Cottrel: (bowing and cringing) “Um, Mr Goodell, sir, about this Harrison appeal. There are mitigating circumstances such as the amount of time since the last infraction, and the circumstances of the play. I think that we should at least consid..”
Rog: "Denied!! Gotta have them uppity players understand who has the whip hand. Called me a Dictator in Mens J, eh? Well, I’ll just put the “Dick” in Dictator for him, won’t I then?"
Cottrell: “Yes, sir, Mr Goodell, sir” ;backs out of room.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
jharrison9292 James Harrison
17 games,1000+ snaps, 100+ tackles, 12+sacks and 2 forces fumbles since my last incident and I get a suspension for a football play!
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
These stats show how freaking absurd this suspension is
Such bullshit
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by seton hall and steelers on Dec 16, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
We all know Harrison hasn’t exactly said the right things over the last year. That being said I can only look at this as a witch hunt against the guy due to the fact of this being his first infraction this year. Goodell better be suspending all other repeat offenders from this point on, which will only tarnish his legacy as commish even more, or he will prove what a lot of us in Steeler Nation believe to be targeting of Steeler players for playing hard nosed defensive football. Just hope it doesn’t change the way the defense plays overall, I don’t want the guys to intentionally hurt anyone but this is the NFL right? Part of being a Steeler fan over the years has always been the bravado of our defense, and at this point, it looks as if Goodell wants change that. F Goodell and all that he’s brought to the league, will still watch game on Monday, nothing would stop that for me.
by Ohio Steeler on Dec 16, 2011 11:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Unbelievable.....
no, I take that back, it is believable….
Things can always be worse....
by ncmt40 on Dec 16, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bullcrap
Sigh, it is what it is, but he has to abide by the rules – no matter how stupid they are.
http://theklowntimes.net/2011/12/13/i-hate-the-harrison-suspension-but-understand-it/
The NFL is turning into flag football before our eyes.
by Scott Burks on Dec 16, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We all knew this would happen.
The thing is that Harrison’s hit was illegal – we all can agree on that. The reason his punishment exceeds others is mainly due to his mouth. I’m sorry, we can try blaming the media or whatever but nobody forced him to make the comments he did this off season. Was it great entertainment? Sure – I loved it! Was it professional talking about the head of the league you play in like that? Hell no, and it was inevitable that it would come back to bite him.
I think that’s why Tomlin was so cold in his support for Harrison. It would piss me off too if someone who reports to me at work spouted off in a way that puts my organization in a bad light. Harrison needs to grow up and start acting like one of the faces of the franchise. Unfortunately his initial response of “Lol” on twitter tells me he still doesn’t get the message, and as such he’s making a nice bed for himself in Tomlin’s doghouse.
Spouting your mouth and doing acts on the field that can get you suspended hurt the team. We all know the rules and penalty processes are unfair and stupid, but there are plenty of defensive players that are still able to function within this system without hurting their team. Harrison – this is on you. It’s WAY past time for you to shut down your twitter account and stop spouting off.
by lkwdsteel on Dec 16, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
All I have to say is: Although he should help his cause be being contrite, it should have no bearing on the acts on the field, because he is not the Steeler media relations specialist
How many times have you heard a “Color Commentator” talk about how one team needs to punch the other in the mouth? That is what James gets paid to do.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You
are right James. Just keep killing people.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 16, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Favorite quote from a Steeler
Who is Joe Namath? This is a guy who, if he played in the league today, I’d probably just go hit him late and see what he did, just for the hell of it. Joe Namath can go to hell; he can kiss my ass."
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
lol seriously
Joe is probably one of the worst QBs in the Hall of Fame.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
he has more INTs than TDs
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
How Favre-esque of him
Man, do I love that quote from Lloyd. The dude had a fanstastically poor attitude (I mean that as a compliment), and was an outstanding player.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 17, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't believe
he thought that would get out, what he said in the magazine.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
That being said
its still on him. He invited the guy to his house, he let him in and he let his guard down. I don’t blame him for the hit. I really think he thought he was within the rules on that one, we’ve seen him play enough to know that. It was H2H we all know that. But I seriously thought that once a QB is out of the pocket he is fair game, thats why they have the slide rule. But it is whatever, I don’t think we’ll see him get this type of penalty in a long time. I think there will be an accident but not like what we saw.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
but shouldn’t a prominent figure such as Goodell be able to handle criticism and if this is what this suspension is all about then it kills all credibility he had left
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see him at the draft
when they boo’d him it looked like he was about to cry. I hope a bunch of Steelers fans show up to the draft this year and boo the crap out of him.
THATS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
Go to NYC for the draft in a bunch of steelers gear, sit as close tot he stage as possible and Boo Goodell for about 5 mins. and then leave.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm there I'm staying for the whole weekend
so I can get free tickets to next year’s draft
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
really
how much does it cost?
Dang so we’d just be playing into Goodell’s hands by going. NM smh.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
They barely got a chance to boo!
He and his PR machine got crafty and dedicated the first full minute of broadcast to a “silent reflection” on all those lost in the Kansas City area tornadoes.
Not trying to undermine that disaster, but what a complete crock of shhhhtuff. He did it to silence the crowd and deaden the energy in the room. He took over from there.
Quite a genius move for the weasley little bastard.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
We'd boo while everyone was quiet
it’ll look bad but at this point I don’t care.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not gong to the doghouse. He’s thirty whatever years old and a force in the game. He’ll retire before he ends up in any doghouse, taking the attitude that got him in trouble with him. I’d have lol’d too, it’s a perfect response to whats going on, and I’d also probably be in the same situation as him if I were him.
Did James Harrison come on here and 'rec' every comment?
We love you, James!
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 12:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Made me laugh but the answer is yes. LOL
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
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SMH
I think this appeals process is such a joke. It just proves that Art Shell is most certainly in the league’s (Roger Goodell’s) pocket. Back in the day Art was one of the meanest and dirtiest players of his time. I have no words for it. I just hope Worilds can step up and Woodley has a monster of a game.
by ChitownSteelerfan on Dec 16, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions
I'm a little confused
As to why there are a couple of comments complaining about the appeals process.
He appealed and his appeal got denied. Are we to expect appeals to reverse the decision?
I’m also not understanding why anyone would NOT watch the game in protest, what will that prove?
Please elaborate.
As for Monday night, I won’t want to see the team without Ben and James, hopefully Ben can go. I still like the Steelers chances though. SF will have to pass to beat us and even though that’s not our best defense, it’s the Niners worst offense.
Because the appeals process is a farce.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it is
Should have an outside independent, official that reviews the entire offense completely and then the entire punishment as well as precedence. After that they should determine if the punishment fit the league pattern for the offense.
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To be fair
They did select the two-person panel on mutual agreement from the league and the union, and both sides pay their salaries.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not watching the game would make no difference, but no one showing up to the next home game would be awesome and would send a statement that the fans do not agree with the hypocritical BS
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not to start anything
But are all of you really surprised that he got fined and suspended for a game? The guy is a repeat offender and this hit was vicious and really seemed intentional from every preview I’ve seen. Give his disposition about the whole thing and the way he comes out and said that he thought the hit was clean, it really does seem that the guy just doesn’t get it. While I can understand some hits as being ticky tack penalties and fines, this one is as textbook illegal as you can possibly get and deserved to be fined. Team that up with him being one of the most fined and penalized players in the league and you have to set a precedent to other repeat offenders that continuing this behavior will get a game suspension.
Again, I’m not here to bash you guys but I wanted to see what everyone’s thoughts were about the hit and the punishment. Looking around, it seems that all of you are homers about this and see this as a legal hit or at best, an unjust penalty for Harrison. I just truly can’t understand how you could look at that and see a legal hit.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions
I'm not surprised at all
ESPN was calling it all weekend.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
When a Raven that is the caliber of a James Harrison is benched for a week, come ask this question again after you’ve calmed down.
I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
by steeltech on Dec 16, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
pffft….repeat offenders don’t get suspended on that team. Ask Ray Lewis
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Ray Lewis has never been fined 4+ times a season and certainly doesn’t have the mouth about it afterwards. You have to admit that Harrison probably made his case worse by taking opening his mouth and telling everyone that he thinks he did nothing wrong. At least fake being sorry and that probably would have gotten him the fine and nothing more.
The suspension has more to do with Harrison not learning his lesson than it does about anything else. He’s been the poster child for years for penalties and fines just like this and then complaining about how “he’s just playing football” and how “he’ll do it again”.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Explain Richard Seymour then. He’s punched people after the whistle three times in three years. Nothing’s happened to him.
Harrison hadn’t gotten so much as a flag for unecessary-roughness-related contact in 17 games. The commissioner overturned part of his fines from last year. What part of that suggests Harrison hasn’t learned anything?
He’s not allowed to defend himself? Plenty of non-Steelers fans have come out and said it was such a close and fast play, a suspension isn’t merited.
Thanks for your lectures on the safety of the game, though, feel free to go somewhere else. You know full well if he wasn’t a Steeler you’d get off your soap box.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Explain Richard Seymour then. He’s punched people after the whistle three times in three years. Nothing’s happened to him.
The main thing is that Seymour punching someone with a helmet on is stupid and the only damage he can do is to his own hand. Still inexcusable, but very different things in all reality. Thats like saying a serial theif is the same as a serial killer…. 2 very different crimes
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Accidentally hit the post button when I coughed
Plenty of non-Steelers fans have come out and said it was such a close and fast play, a suspension isn’t merited.
I havent seen any of that. In fact, everythign I have seen was saying that it was uncalled for and worthy of at least 1 week suspension if not more.
Harrison hadn’t gotten so much as a flag for unecessary-roughness-related contact in 17 games
Total all, I believe it is 5 major fines in a little under 2 years. If you did something equally as bad at work 5 times, you’d be fired or suspended. I think a 1 week suspension is A-OK
Thanks for your lectures on the safety of the game, though, feel free to go somewhere else. You know full well if he wasn’t a Steeler you’d get off your soap box.
I don’t think I was lecturing there Neal. I was genuinely confused on how anyone could excuse that hit as legal or see the suspension as unjust.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
uh huh
If Harrison’s name was not attached to this, the amount of people who are against this would drop, I guarantee you.
As far as I can tell, this web site and Pittsburgh-based media outlets are the only ones pointing out he hadn’t done anything along these lines in 1,000 snaps (nod to Stephens for posting that Tweet), and the commissioner gave him back part of his fine from last year because he was playing clean.
I don’t want to hear anything about him being a repeat offender. The fact is, several players have picked up multiple flags and fines for this in the time Harrison didn’t do anything. A suspension is completely unjustified.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
against this would drop, I guarantee you.
EDIT: the amount of people in favor of the suspension would drop.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
The rules state that any player that was fined last year (whether partial or upheld) are viewed as repeat offenders this year. Harrison knew that, you knew that, I knew that…. So he is a repeat offender. He has played clean recently and I give him that, but he has also missed a fair amount of time this year as well, which undoubtedly play into this.
I do agree that if Harrison kept his mouth shut for the past year, he’d be suiting up this week.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Seymour knew that, Lewis knew that....
…and where are their suspensions?
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But until the rules changed last season he was not fined much at all. He had to adjust his tackling because of the rule changes and has done well in the past 17-games he played in. So a suspension for a hit to a QB that become a runner for awhile seems extreme.
by Polamolicules Dude on Dec 16, 2011 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The reason he missed some games was a H2H
that broke his orbital bone…guess what…no flag/fine on the lineman that hit him.
Things can always be worse....
Okay, you have it all figured out
Now please explain how what Harrison did was “Illegal”, yet it was perfectly “Legal” When he was hit H2H breaking his orbital bone, causing reconstructive surgery and costing him 1/4 of the season?
Enlighten us please?
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
You just like to pick and choose what’s egregious and what isn’t, huh? You are correct, but not in the way you think you are. Sucker punching people post-whistle is well outside the confines of sportsmanship and class. Hitting anyone in the head when you have approximately 1/8th of a second to change your trajectory – regardless of the outcome – is less severe.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Hitting anyone in the head when you have approximately 1/8th of a second to change your trajectory
Harrison had so much more time than that…. Come on man! At least view the play in reality.
Seymour should have been suspended as well. I don’t deny that, but Harrison did. The fact that Harrison got suspended and Seymour hasn’t is not the issue ultimately. The penalties are 2 very different things in relation to player safety. By your own facts, Clark and even Troy P should be suspended as well then, huh?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
If you watch the play and the clock at the same time. It’s less than half a second that Harrison decides to hit him and he makes the hit.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Hell the hole play from where Colt started running to the hit took like less then 2 seconds.
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
+1
It’s turning out that way, isn’t it? It’s not the technology itself, but the reliance on it.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
ray lewis has been fined multiple times for h2h hits. That makes him a repeat offender, would you agree?
Of course, Harrison did not help himself with all that talking, but aren’t they just supposed to go on what happened on the field?
As far as the fines, really, only 2 fines for helmet to helmet hits. The other fines for ridiculous things should be irrelevant to this process.
So, just going by on field activity, Harrison and Lewis have the same amount of fines for h2h hits. One of them got suspended
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ray lewis has been fined multiple times for h2h hits. That makes him a repeat offender, would you agree?
How many fines over how many years? I’d be willing to bet in 10 years, Ray has been fined for h2h hits half the times as Harrison in 5 years.
Of course, Harrison did not help himself with all that talking, but aren’t they just supposed to go on what happened on the field?
Yes and no. You completely and openly defy the league, its process and its rules and you open yourself to being the guinea pig for something like this. Suh got fined and suspended for something that is far less dangerous than ramming the crown of your helmet into another players face.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
who cares how many fines? What does that matter? h2h fines are two to two
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it matters a lot. A constant rule breaker is worse than a guy that only occasionally breaks a rule. Also intent has to play into the decision as well. Ray’s h2h hits were more accidental, but still fine worthy. Not moving your head so that you hit your opponents facemask (neither head moved up or down, except Harrison moved his a fraction of an inch down so that the crown was leading.. also not a textbook tackle and why defenders have broken their necks btw) is much worse.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
No, it does not matter, the issue is h2h hits. Of course you’d say Lewis’ were accidental. I am seeing a pattern here, and that makes you a hypocrite. Harrison’s first hit on Massequoi was because the dude ducked his head. That is accidental as well boss.
Textbook tackle is not an issue here either. However, it is a common “argument” for people that don’t like Harrison.
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I don't think Ray's H2H on Ward
was accidental. There was no lowering of Ray’s body to an angle that would suggest he was aiming for Ward’s body, and then Ray launched himself into the hit
Things can always be worse....
Yeah
I think Ray clearly lowers his helmet to put it into Ward. I don’t know if he launched himself though.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I was going from memory
so I may be wrong, you know Ray is not know for his hops, bu i still think there was some fexing of his legs and a little air under his feet while he was making the hit
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Ray’s h2h hits were more accidental, but still fine worthy. Not moving your head so that you hit your opponents facemask (neither head moved up or down, except Harrison moved his a fraction of an inch down so that the crown was leading.
Oh come on…seriously?!? Lewis’s hit on Ward was the same thing as Harrison’s on McCoy, Lewis just hit him from the side.
Your boy McClain got away with one on Brown too. The point is, no one should have been suspended for it.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Now way Neal, Harrison popped McCoy, but Lewis BLEW UP Ward, as did Johnson in the first game
It’s all BS and MT can’t see it through his Lavender tinted glasses.
and before you start getting bent out of shape MT, if there is anyone on our team who should be suspended for hits it’s Clark not Harrison.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I'd at least put them in the same ballpark
I was going to mention Clark, but I’d rather not, for obvious reasons. If he was on, say, the Dolphins, then yes, absolutely. Repeat offender. No one mentioned suspension. They just fined him $40k, which I think would have been the appropriate league response to Harrison.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Fail
Ray went right at Wards head, Ward was a defensless reciever in a full standing position, Ray was head hunting. You’re a homer for your team that wants to talk intent, the Ravens have admited to putting a contract on Ward, do you think that isn’t still there? Of course you don’t, yet you come here to ask why we don’t think Harrison deserved the suspension and. Again watch the McCoy hit again, he drops his head slightly and it was his forhead that hit the facemask not the crown. The only H2H hit that Deebo was fined for last year was on Massaquoi, and he actually saw the hit coming and tucked. Harrison was aiming at his mid section, the tuck brought his helmet to waist height and caused the contact.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fail, that wasn’t Ray and since you can’t identify the most notable player on our team, your opinion is worthless.
They’ve joked about a contract on Hines Ward and were investigated thoroughly for it. Cause, yes, we are a team of professional hitmen.
So you admit that he drops his head slightly enough to where his helmet (top of the forehead or crown is a matter of an inch btw and we don’t have the angle to fully be able to see the pinpoint where contact was first made). That right there is called intent. He knew enough to lower his head right into the facemask of another player.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
it was
Ray that hit Ward, and he was fined for it. Your entire opinion in this discussion has been worthless. I have said that he deserved a fine, but here is the thing Harrison is shorter than McCoy and was most likely trying to avoid the helmet contact. We will never know for sure, it is conjecture on both sides. You can’t tell what his intent was.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
How many fines over how many years? I’d be willing to bet in 10 years, Ray has been fined for h2h hits half the times as Harrison in 5 years.
The league barely ever fined for this until Week 6 last year. Ray Lewis has three of them since then, and has been plenty outspoken about the officiating in that time. All of those things seem to add up to a repeat-offending malcontent, but nothing will happen to him. That’s why we’re upset.
And no, I don’t feel Ray Lewis should be suspended, my problem is the fact Goodell made this a personal issue with Harrison, and the punishment does not fit the crime.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Neal, let me ask you this…. Do you think Suh deserved to be suspended?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I say yes...
…because what he did was NOT football related in any way, occurred after the whistle, and was unsportmanlike to the extreme
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Wasn't
the crown of his helmet, it was the part directly above his facemask. You might want to learn what the Crown actually is before regurgitating the bs you see on sports shows. Secondly how many H2H did Harrison have last year, since you seem to know?
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by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
So in the past 5 years, how many fines does he have. In 5 years, I’m willing to bet its a shitload. 5 years of going against the rules openly and then openly commenting on how he thinks they are stupid gets his ass suspended.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
The interpretation of the "rule" under which he was suspended...
…changed only in week 6 of last year. Therefore, your inane reference to the past 5 years isn’t germane to this conversation, and neither are you.
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It has a huge merit in our discussion. Just because the rule changed recently, his fined offenses dating back 5 years matter to determine what type of person he is. If he has a string of fines (regardless of what type), it helps paint a picture that the guy is a dirty player. Now in specific reference to his current suspension, you can only look at the repeat offenses for h2h hits, which he still has. However, when you combine his mouth, his fines and his history you get a clue that this is a guy that refuses to change how he plays the game and will continue to rack up these fines. Since fines clearly don’t affect him like they should, a suspension is the next step up.
Again, instead of arguing with me about anything in specific, you just ignore all evidence that suggests the guy is an asshole on the field. Just because you ignore the evidence doesn’t mean that the suspension isn’t fair
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
DUDE
Do you have nightmares about James Harrison or something. Trust me James Harrison and the rest of Steeler nation thinks you are an idiot and could care less about your weakminded opinions.
by steeler fever on Dec 18, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Poster child for years...seriously?????
it was only last year when he got those fines for the hits, and even some of those were BS
Things can always be worse....
Dude won the 2008 DPOY
playing the same way he does now
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
^ This x 100,000,000
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
He’s the Tebow of LBs! Just know how to win and you’d love to have him on your team.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe in his prime
but not anymore. Lawrrence Timmons covers way more ground than he does at this point
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 17, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Physically, yeah I’ll give you the credit that he isn’t as good as a lot of others out on the field. However, he brings far more than just his physicality to the game and that is what has always separated him from other LBs.
The fact that he is still within the top 15 of current LBs right now at his age should speak volumes about the guy.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
It has nothing to do with it. I am being very unbiased on this one actually.
If Ray Lewis or any player around the league did the same exact thing, to the extent that Harrison has (multiple penalties and fines for the past few years), then I would be calling for a 1 week suspension as well.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
so the issue is helmet to helmet hit? or is it that he is guilty of everything because a fine has been levied?
then I would be calling for a 1 week suspension as well.
Sorry, but that’s bullshit. You would have been doing that after the second Ravens game this year.
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Nope… The player that got ejected from a ravens game earlier this year, I think he deserved it because he did what he did. Now that was ticky tack, but it is very clear that the rules are the rules.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I meant after the second Raven Steeler game, sorry.
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So we are on the same page…. and you’re wrong. :) I really am being unbiased about this man.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Except, I know for a fact that not only is Lewis’ hit acceptable to you guys, it was also celebrated. You are not being unbiased, otherwise you’d say “Ray Lewis should have been suspended as well, since his h2h infractions are equal to Harrison’s”
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Show me the hits in question please. I honestly don’t even remember them off the top of my head. I believe he’s been tacked for a defenseless receiver penalty (which I think is bogus, any player on the field isnt defenseless)
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...what?
If no player is defenseless, what was Colt McCoy?
I’m trying to keep up here, I really am, but your interpretation of the rules is…unique…
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
No not at all. There is no such thing as a defenseless player in the sense of the current rule, but headhunting with intent (lowering your head into their facemask is absolutely intent) when he knows the rules is just a portion of why he’s suspended.
Most everyone agrees that the hit was illegal and fine worthy including yourself. What no one seems to get is that he wasn’t suspended just for this 1 hit, but for being a repeat offender under the rules. Opening his mouth as much as he has hurt his chances of just getting a fine I’m sure, but again that is on Harrison and no one else.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
again
Ray’s hit on Ward was far more vicious. If you wanna talk headhunting look to your own team. You want to talk intent all the time, but you don’t seem to understand what intent is. You cannot know intent.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
You cannot know intent, but you can look at a situation and determine within a certain amount of certainty if someone intends to hurt another or not. Harrison has said he doesn’t mind hurting others before this suspension.
Again, you combine everything this guy says and does and you have a pretty clear picture. The guy comes across as a dumb asshole and then plays past the edge of the rulebook. How the hell is it surprising that this is a suspension when we all knew it was on the table?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Harrison is a SB Champion and DPOY
You are the one who comes across as a dumb asshole.
by steeler fever on Dec 18, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's actually not at all objective
If Ray Lewis or any player around the league did the same exact thing, to the extent that Harrison has (multiple penalties and fines for the past few years),
Explain Dunta Robinson, please.
Unfortunately, it does not have to be the exact same thing. It has to be whatever the commissioner deems it to be. Don’t think for a second you won’t be just as irate when it happens to Pollard in the playoffs. And guess what? I’ll be pissed off right there with you.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
If Pollard starts nailing every player in the face from here on out… suspend his ass!
Dunta Robinson isnt half as bad as Brandon Merriweather. I do think on player basis, Merriweather deserves to get suspended before Harrison, but Harrison is just so vocal about it afterwards that he put his name in the front of everyone’s mind. If he just shut his mouth, he would have gotten another fine and been done with it…. he put himself in the crosshairs on that one and the repeated penalties and fines are deserving of a suspension either way.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure he apologizes for not being a corporate as you'd like him to be
I’m sure there’s something to be said here about racism, and how an angry black man does not deserve the right to give his opinion about the game he plays.
The fact you’re not comfortable with the way he plays doesn’t mean he should shy away from something that’s clearly a major issue facing the game today.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not the angry black man
Why you think Obama was so nice to start off with?
Not to get racial or political just providing an example. I remember talking about this in 2008 when he was running for office. It was rare you saw him look angry because it scares people.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
That’s really unfortunate…I just thought he was a nice guy. I’m not afraid of angry people, so I guess I don’t really care what people say when they’re mad. It’s typically just the emotion, and not the reality.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Its all good
being black you learn nuances about our society. We’re still growing. But I do think we’re growing and that is all I expect.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I've felt Obama has been like Jackie Robinson of 1947 or 48.....
…he hasn’t fought back, and some people think he’s a wimp.
But if he fights back, he risks being the angry Black man, and we certainly can’t have that.
That’s one reason he got such a big bump in the polls after Bin Laden was killed. He was tough, but didn’t do an end zone dance.
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He could have went Stevie Johnson but he did the Barry Saunders.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
There are a ton of ways Harrison could express himself that would excuse him from any backlash. He has the NFLPA to help him out on that. He can say what he feels without being such an asshole as well. I have no problems with how he plays overall. I think he’s passionate about the sport and I dig that. But even the most passionate guys in the sport know how to play within the rules or at least understand that when they break the rules, they’ll get punished. Harrison seemed to be be the only person in the situation that didn’t understand that suspension is on the table and that makes him a moron. You know damn well the NFLPA, his teammates, his coach, his agent, his friends on other teams all told him to watch himself this year.
He chooses his word carefully enough and has done so for long enough that he knows what the risks/rewards are for his behavior and his speech. To assume racism comes into the mix because he’s black is starting to get a little goofy man. The NFL is, and I don’t have stats to back me up, mostly a minority played sport and if racism was so rampant to suspend a player for “no reason”, I have to imagine that Harrison would be in a long line of young black men sitting on their couches. Just because a black man got suspended doesn’t mean its racism and assuming that racism has any part of this is damn close to reverse racism (assuming all white people are racist and out to get black people).
The main thing is…. everyone has the proper avenues to launch a complaint about a boss or unjust treatment. At the least, he knows Goodell’s phone number and can call him personally and I’m sure his door is open to any player that needs to confirm any rules. Harrison chose to go the media whore route and make an ass out of himself and his team with his comments, only to bitch about it later when things don’t go his way. Just like you and everyone else has the same opportunity at work to talk to HR or even the boss himself, and choosing to sit out in the production floor screaming and yelling for everyone about how the boss is an idiot and your punishment is stupid would get you canned, it helped get him suspended along with his history of offenses.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
but Harrison is just so vocal about it afterwards that he put his name in the front of everyone’s mind
That’s what you and all the other Steeler haters are focused on….Harrison’s outspokenness.
In a fairly administered and adjudicated League process, Harrison’s comments would be immaterial for purposes of the appeal, and/or administering equal punishment to other players accused of perpetrating comparable fouls.
But it isn’t, they weren’t, and they aren’t.
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Ray Lewis isn’t outspoken at all.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Did you just take a stab at a joke?
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I would have gotten away with it to if you hadn’t snitched on me.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
He did it!
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
It was self-defense
all 18 times
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
He kept running onto the knife
as I was holding in front of me for protection
Things can always be worse....
He (Lewis) has between this year and last, what are you smoking?
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Your point is moot
Ravens don’t have a player that is the caliber of James. :)
(Gotta admit Suggs comes close, tho.)
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Gotta admit Suggs comes close, th
Suggs is DPOY candidate right now. Suggs this year is playing at a higher level than Harrison and seems to be getting better every game.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Harrison has 8 sacks and missed 4 games
that’s not too shabby
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 17, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Suggs is playing great
But don’t forget Suggs has played every game.
They are both averaging a sack per game.
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by John Stephens on Dec 17, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sacks isn’t all they measure. Staying healthy and not being suspended are usually helpful as well. Harrison is a sack machine, but he isn’t as much of a run stuffer.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
one of the
more ignorant statements you have made
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by stillergorillar on Dec 19, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think most of us are outraged by the rampant hypocrisy in the NFL. They cannot have it both ways. Either you let the game of football be violent or you don’t. You can’t tell James this hit is illegal and then let an OL drill him H2H, break his orbital, and tell him with a straight face you give a crap about player safety.
The truth is, the league does not care about player safety. Or, at least, they do not care about it as much as maximizing profits.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t tell James this hit is illegal and then let an OL drill him H2H, break his orbital, and tell him with a straight face you give a crap about player safety.
That was more incidental than anything else. The fact it broke his orbital bone has nothing to do with intent there. However, I do think it was worth a fine on the OL.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, so hits to Harrison’s head are legal, just no one else’s?
I have a difficult time accepting you’ve even seen the play in question.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really care if you think I’ve seen the play in question.. either of them. Regardless of the fact that every TV and internet station has shown both plays a million + times.
Launching yourself at someone’s face is a lot worse than accidental contact from 2 players running into each other on a block. 1 has intent to injure, and 1 truly is a play. Still feel that the OL should have been fined on that though.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Um nope
Launching yourself at someone’s face is a lot worse than accidental contact from 2 players running into each other on a block.
I wouldn’t care if you’ve seen the play or not, but you’re arguing with me about it. If you think it was something that happened along the line, you’re completely wrong, please stop trying to argue with me about it. That’s not even close to what happened.
Please find the clip of Harrison being hit by an offensive linemen who had a 10 yard head start and lowered his head with the full intention of ramming it into Harrison’s facemask.
You won’t find it, but not because it didn’t happen. You won’t find it because the media have successfully painted James Harrison as the bad guy, and deserved it. You bought into it too.
p.s. Harrison did not launch into McCoy. He clearly never left his feet. Would you like to continue telling us about how objective you’re being?
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
If you need help finding it
It happens at about the 6 minute mark in the 2nd quarter (or 42 minutes into NFL game rewind).
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Harrison never left his feet until after the initial contact
Second on Harrison being hit the OL had clear intention of lowering his head while blocking Harrison but…
lowered his head with the full intention of ramming it into Harrison’s facemask.
Let’s not play “mind reader” here. We have no idea what the linemens intentions were. Just like no one knows what James Harrison’s intentions were. Though many seem to think they do.
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True. Let’s just leave it at they both lowered their helmets and struck first with it.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Oh come on...
You’re right, I’m not inside either James Harrison’s or Duane Brown’s heads, but watch it again. His head is lowered for the last two strides of his approach. He’s not trying to injure him, but he is trying ot use his head as leverage. It’s really hard to move forward when your head is being pushed back.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ever considered he brought his head forward and down to increase his momentum and get a better push on Harrison. Every football player is coach when you want to accelerate your nose need to be over your toes. Then of coarse he also need to get as low as Harrison. Though playing OL I do not deny that head butting a defensive linemen when firing off the line was a part of my arsenal.
Just stating possible explanations…
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I think we're saying the same thing
And to be honest, I don’t want that to be a penalty or a fine, my problem is the league wants to, ironically, leave the defensive player defenseless, and protect all offensive players from the same actions.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d822d4231/Harrison-out-multiple-weeks
Its right on NFL.com. It isnt a conspiracy here. Again, the OL deserved a fine…. but even still he lowered his whole body to make a block. If Brown doesnt lower his center of gravity a bit, Harrison runs his ass over. That is just how you make a block, but he did hit helmet to helmet and he deserved a fine for that.
p.s. Harrison did not launch into McCoy. He clearly never left his feet. Would you like to continue telling us about how objective you’re being?
Sorry for using the word launched. I meant that as being he launched his head right at him. Harrison put the crown of his helmet right into Colt’s face
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
"launch" is kind of an important word in all of this
You should probably know what that means if you want to speak on the subject.
Ok, so video exists, it’s still painted as why James Harrison will miss time, saying nothing as to the validity of the hit. It’s absolute garbage to make Brown’s hit legal but protect other players. That’s the hypocritical part of all of this.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but I am rapid dire replying to at least 5 people here. I didnt choose my words properly and I apologize for that.
Here is how those hits are differnet… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUN5OG28-f4&feature=related
Harrison squares himself up, and intends to hit with the helmet. Harrison did not dip his body to hit with the shoulder. He did dip his head so that the crown of his helmet hits Colt in the face. Colt’s head on the other hand, never raises or lowers any. Usually during these types of plays, a player is penalized because the runner lowers his body to avoid contact and the helmet comes down into a lowered helmet of the defender. This is clearly not the case with this play and why its such an egregious play from a guy with a history of hits just like this.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Part of it is due to the fact he's holding up when he sees him throwing the ball
If he held onto the ball, he would have been buried three feet into the ground.
I’ve never been disputing the flag. I have a serious problem with the punishment that clearly does not fit the situation. It’s on Harrison to fully pull up and not hit the defenseless quarterback – even if a milisecond earlier, he was a runner. But it’s nowhere close to what has merited a suspension in the past.
Now, it has to. I promise you, you’ll see a bad hit somewhere this weekend, and it’ll probably be from someone who did it previously. He will not be suspended, not because his actions now should mandate a suspension (in the post-Harrison suspension league), but because he is not James Harrison.
That’s my problem with all of this.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
That’s my problem with all of this.
A player like Brandon Merriweather or Dunta Robinson makes the same type of hit, they are suspended too… I’m sure of it.
You look at every other player like they are in the same situation as Harrison is/was and that isn’t accurate. Harrison has a long history of this and a mouth behind it. If players that have a history of this offense do it again this year as blatantly as Harrison, I’m pretty sure that they’ll get suspended. Either way, assuming that you know who will or will not get suspended is getting you all rowdy when you honestly don’t know. Let another repeat offender into the mix before you assume how Goodell reacts to it and then call it fair or not fair after that.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
yet
Ray did it just as blatantly and was fined for it last year and wasn’t fined a higher level or suspended. Your hatred of Harrison is obvious.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Show me the hit because I honestly don’t remember it at the top of my head.
Either way dummy, Harrison is suspended because its a repeat offense… again. You only get so many warnings within 18 months.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
of course
you don’t remember Ray’s infractions, you also don’t remember Harrisons. However, you just know in your heart that he has a much bigger record of these infractions than anyone on the Ravens.
Thanks for the 3rd grade insult.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 19, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
So, where was the fine? The NFL doesn’t give a shit because Harrison doesn’t throw the ball.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’ll agree with that to an extent. Not because they hate Harrison or because he isnt a QB, but because he’s a defender. Defenders are not given the same view as offensive players are given. Hence why PI calls are almost always on the defense even if the WR does something just as bad.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, to an extent. I do believe that Harrison is singled out to an extent. I do recall a PF on the QB Harrison got early this year (or maybe it was late last year). Replay showed it was highly questionable and he didn’t get fined for it.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, way to be 5 here. Harrison probably does get singled out a bit because he can’t shut his stupid mouth. All he does is complain about every hit being legal and how the league is a joke. Do that to your boss and you’ll be canned pretty quick. The guy has a job, he does it well but gets himself in trouble far too often and then whines about it like a bitch. Harrison puts himself in the headlines, no one else and complaining that he gets a little more attention than other players is ignorant.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Last I read...
Harrison was suspended for hitting Colt McCoy in the head. When did this turn into something he said?
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
My job isn’t in entertainment. Different rules apply. Not to add, Goodell is not directly Harrison’s boss.
And throwing in verbal reactions to suspensions is a slippery slope.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
whines about it like a bitch.
It should read “whines about it like a Harbaugh” right?
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
We like Jim
About the only thing you can fault him for his shaking dudes hands too hard…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 16, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
We don't particularly notice your Harbaugh
We’re talking about the other Harbaugh. You know, the one who ties his shoes correctly and gets doused in Gatorade.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
You can get a gatorade shower if you guys make the playoffs for 4 straight years. Win more games and no one would really care if Tomlin got showered every 30 seconds.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
we really gon talk about the playoff accomplishments of the team to last win the superbowl in 2001? the most notable thing you guys have done is break brady’s home playoff winning streak… and you didn’t even do it while he was stacking up hardware.
We’ve been consistent enough to have one of the longest streaks of making the playoffs in the league. I could care less about previous years when it really breaks down to it because every year is different. I’m looking at this year right now and we are doing better than you. If the secret is gatorade showers, wouldn’t you like your team to be doing them more?
If all you have against the Ravens this year are the Gatorade showers, that is pathetic. Focus on your own team winning this week and not so much on who we tip water on.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Its gonna b so funny when the Steelers whip that Ratbird ass in the playoffs.
speaking of pathetic, its ratbirds fans who consistently show up on BTSC talking the same brand of idiotic crap you have been espousing.
by steeler fever on Dec 18, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
NO I CLEARLY DO NOT. WHY ARE WE YELLING RIGHT NOW? MY THROAT HURTS A LITTLE BIT SO CAN WE STOP THIS NOW?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
MAYBE HE THOUGHT IF HE RAISED HIS VOICE YOU WOULD LEAVE?
TOO BAD IT DIDN’T WORK!
by steeler fever on Dec 18, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
or catch it
and take two steps make a football move jugle flaming chainsaws then have control until he reaches the sidelines and gets up for the next offensive series.
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Do you know
what the crown of the helmet is ?
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Crown (anatomy): The top of the head.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Which is spearing. So no he didn’t hit him with the crown of his helmet, which is the very top. Harrison had his head up so there was no way he could have hit him with the crown.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
watch it again. he lowers his head right into Colt’s face. Just enough to hit with the crown of the helmet, but not enough to make it look like he was getting out of the way.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
he put his facemask into Colt McCoy's chest
what more does he have to do
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
What you don't understand
if you hit with the crown of your helmet your eyes will be facing the ground. Now show me where Harrison is in that position.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
The split second before he hits Colt. He lowers his head so that the crown starts coming at Colt. If he doesn’t intend on doing that, he would have raised his head so that the facemask hits his facemask… or just moved his head to the left or right.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
and
the penalty and suspension wouldn’t have occured it his facemask hit McCoy? Come on man.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Let me pull all those new words out of my mouth really quick…..
I’m not saying that at all. I am saying that he clearly had enough time to move his head in a direction and he chose the more violent hit instead of the least. You know that actually played into the decision at least a bit. Would it have saved him from a suspension? Probably not. Again, it isn’t even just this 1 hit that earned him a suspension, but his string of hits dating back for years and his ability to be a repeat offender.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
You clearly don’t know what a “launch” is. See the Boldin hit or the hit by that Falcons defender last year.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Launch was the wrong word… What I meant by that was that he prepared for the hit. He had time to plant his feet and center his body, he absolutely had the time to move his head.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure he had time to center his body and make a form tackle, because McCoy is shifty and I do honestly think Harrison thought he was going to run. He could have put his helmet elsewhere though.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
He could have put his helmet elsewhere though.
Boom! Exactly what I have been saying. That is why this is an issue. You team that up with these wonderful hits and you have a guy that seems to enjoy hurting other players and ending careers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BfxMalwza4 (All are illegal, but the hit on Massoquoi is a textbook tackle)
The fact that he still doesn’t get how these hits are wrong is just insane. Either he’s a moron or he is playing dumb hoping that it gets him sympathy.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
lol, you’re like the fourth person to reference that video this week. That video actually hurts your argument.
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I can't speak for him
But what I will say is regardless of what he’s said, he HAS changed his play. If he’s just speaking out of anger, then fine, but the tape doesn’t lie. He has not had anything like this in a very long time.
To establish new precedent, and likely provide everyone with clear evidence of a double-standard in comparison to the rest of the defensive players of the league, Goodell better have a really good reason. I don’t see poor form and a lack of time to alter his direction as a good reason.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t speak for him
But what I will say is regardless of what he’s said, he HAS changed his play. If he’s just speaking out of anger, then fine, but the tape doesn’t lie. He has not had anything like this in a very long time.
Its only been a year and he’s been hurt a fair amount of this year, so it hasn’t been a long time man. Had this hit not been so bad, I’d be with you, but it was really really really bad and as textbook an illegal hit as you can get (The QB was a runner, but he’s still a QB and the league does protect the QBs a little more than the rest of the players). He had time and bad form is bad form, still results in the same thing.
He’s still fresh enough in everyone’s mind from the last few bad hits and then because of his mouth. That definitely hurts him here, but he’s earned his suspension.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
17 games and a thousand plays
That doesn’t include the games he missed.
See, again, you won’t let go of the stereotype he’s a dirty player. You can’t even believe it’s been more than a season of games – including the playoffs, on the world’s biggest stage.
That’s absolute garbage, I’m sorry. If they start suspending people for what they say in the media, that will open up a completely separate can of worms.
That’s my main issue here. Where does this stop? He CANNOT justify suspending one player for one thing, and not suspending another player. That will come up again before the end of the year. Steelers fans won’t be the only ones hot over this whole issue.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
17 games and a thousand plays. That doesn’t include the games he missed
How many times was he fined last year and this year total? Sorry, but continuing to do it makes you a dirty player. If he was able to get through this whole season without a fine, I’d be right with you on it and he’d have rehabbed his reputation a bit.
Doing this for so many years is where he got his reputation at. Having his mouth open is why it has stayed with him.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
He only has 2 H2H fines since last year
IIRC from what has been posted several times in other places. If that makes him a dirty player, then you have to count Ray in there as well as all the others with 2 or more fines
Things can always be worse....
Its only been a year and he’s been hurt a fair amount of this year, so it hasn’t been a long time man.
See:
jharrison9292 James Harrison
17 games,1000+ snaps, 100+ tackles, 12+sacks and 2 forces fumbles since my last incident and I get a suspension for a football play!
That’s a full season.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't punch anybody...
He didn’t launch, he didn’t stomp on their arm or even get ejected from the game.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
No...
(The QB was a runner, but he’s still a QB and the league does protect the QBs a little more than the rest of the players).
Just to clarify, McCoy was not a runner. He threw the ball. McCoy WAS a runner until about an eighth of a second before he threw the ball. Harrison had already committed to breaking down and tackling him. McCoy threw the ball, and pulled back. Harrison’s head hit him.
Illegal play, never disputed that. Understandable, but illegal. Look at the other three suspensions. Not even close to what Harrison did, history or otherwise. Unequal. Going to be a major problem in this game moving forward.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Harrison isnt being suspended because of that 1 play. If we can agree that the play is illegal, we can also agree that he has a long history of this type of thing. We can also agree that when the CBA came out, they announced that any player fined (ruling upheld or partial fine) would be considered a repeat offender this year. By those few facts, the guy is a repeat offender to the point that fines don’t seem to work on him (he’s bitched about them). Team that up with his mouth over the past 2 seasons and you have a guy with an image that he doesn’t care about it and that he goes out of his way to hurt players. You need to nip that quickly and show other players (Dunta Robinson, Brandon Merriweather, Suh, etc) that doing this will get you a few fines and then you’ll be suspended.
The fact the precedence starts with Harrison is his own doing (his mouth) and is totally fair. When Sports news shows are calling for it right after the game in question, you know its deserved.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t agree with the “long history” thing.
I understand the repeat offender thing, but you keep acting as if he’s the only guy in the league with that label. He’s not.
He’s also not the only player in the league to do it last year and this year.
He is, however, the only player to do it last year (between the whistles) and be suspended on a first offense this year.
Why is that? Cuz he dared speak against the crown (no pun intended)?
If that’s how you feel, you’ve accepted my point. Goodell made this a personal issue. I expect a man in his position to deal with such sensitive matters with a bit thicker skin.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I understand the repeat offender thing, but you keep acting as if he’s the only guy in the league with that label. He’s not.
Did they commit such a blatant penalty last week? Have they spouted off about how the comish is an idiot and the rules are stupid and how he goes out and if someone gets hurt from his hits, oh well?
I do agree that Harrison’s mouth over the past few years has made him a target, but we all knew this. I seriously doubt that Goodell made this personal for Harrison’s comments about him, but more likely for Harrison talking about the fines as though he takes them lightly and as though the rules are a joke. Regardless of what he thinks, rules are rules and he is subject to suspension for repeatedly breaking them just like any other player. Him getting suspended first for a play probably does come from his mouth, but again, that is still all on Harrison and no one else.
Arguing that he shouldnt be suspended is silly. We all agree that this was a penalty and finable offense. We all agree that he is a repeat offender. We all agree that he is way too vocal about the fines and in such a negative way (at least fake remorse). Lastly, we all knew this was on the table before this week and he still did what he did and then talked about it like it was nothing. The reason we are here rests solely on Harrison and not Goodell.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Arguing that he shouldnt be suspended is silly.
So Ray should have been as well then?
I HAVE the memo
With two D's, for a double dose of this pimpin'
Absolutely if this is the standard in play.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
or
Richard Seymour
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
No, Ray hasn’t been nearly as outspoken about his fines. Ray hasn’t had the history that Harrison has either. You combine Harrison’s history and mouth and it = suspension!
As I’ve said before, there are a small few players that I believe fall into the same category as Harrison and that they should be suspended for their actions. Harrison was just the first one to screw up this year.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
now your point is clear. Harrison should be suspended for two reasons. 1) His mouth 2) You decided that his two hits were “worse” than Lewis’ two hits.
Next time you wish to insult an entire fan base, and accuse them of seeing things they want to see them (not a direct quote, but it was what you were saying) you should consider the types of things you say.
I HAVE the memo
With two D's, for a double dose of this pimpin'
Yea, keep the "help" down...
… and if one of them speaks out, have him flogged.
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To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Now everyone seems to be going on about this being racism. Jesus, can none of you stick to your original reasoning anymore?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
strange taht
none of those players are Ravens
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by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not really funny, unless you realize that we actually play clean ball most of the time. We don’t have penalty machines on our team (Oher is taken off the poll though) and we aren’t fined nearly as often.
How is it that half of you seriously think this is a conspiracy? That Goodell is personally hunting Steelers down like its Mission Impossible. He’s lowering himself into the homes of Steeler players by the wire and plants stuff just so he can fine them later. The NFL spends millions on a CGI department to alter gametape so that they can penalize and fine you guys.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
You are rediculous
no one said conspiracy, but many of the fines that Harrison recieved last year were bs plain and simple. You don’t have to agree, that is your right. Don’t come on here acting like the Ravens are such a clean organization, cause that is shit.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I may be late into this converation....
But I think its a conspiracy and that the Ravens suck! I love free speech.
by steeler fever on Dec 17, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I dig it man! I enjoyed typing out the conspiracy.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I never said we were squeaky clean Gorilla. This has nothing to do with the Ravens organization at all actually. The fact you need to bring in the Ravens shows that you have no grips on reality and that you seemingly want to blame us for everything.
We do have our penalties and our fines. We had a player ejected from the game this year. But we accept those fines and those punishments as far as a fanbase is concerned. We might not always agree with the amount a guy was fined (too low or too high), but we at least acknowledge that it was worthy of the punishment and that it might vary depending on a bunch of circumstances (namely how a player has reacted to previous punishments).
To freak out because you think a suspension was too much is foolish. Any sane person knew that a suspension was on the table for Harrison at the beginning of the year. The rules were clearly outlined at the beginning of the year and while its a shame that Harrison’s first real offense this year got him suspended, it was all explained out before hand and we all knew that it was a possibility.
There are a 1000 other players around the league that are able to make plays and not get in trouble as often. Thinking that Harrison is “just like everyone else” is goofy man.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I pull
in the Ravens as a counterpoint, and because you are a Ravens fan. I haven’t blamed anything on the Ravens. I and almost every other poster on here has said Harrison deserved the flag and a fine. The problem we have is that Harrison should be fined and/or suspended just like any other player, regardless of what he has said.
We all know that his off field comments contributed, and we accept it. What we have been discussing is whether or not the league will suspend other repeat offenders.
You have concentrated on just saying that Harrison is an asshole and deserved it, while denying any of the same play by the team you root for.
Again, I haven’t freaked out, James didn’t freak out. However there is no reason to not discuss the ramifications of this first suspension on the Steelers and the entire NFL.
No there aren’t a 1000 other players that haven’t been flagged more than Harrison in the last 13 months.
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- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 19, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that Harrison only has 2 other Helmet to Helmet contacts. The one on the Browns receiver which was clearly a penalty. (Though the receiver did duck into it) and the hit on Ryan Fitzpatrick which he didn’t make contact with the helmet at all. But the penalty states head or neck area… blah blah NFL BS.
The other two were a late hit on Brees which didn’t even knock him down and barely moved him but was late and shouldn’t of happened and a throw down of Vince Young which was awesome but clearly a penalty.
I am missing the pattern where is it?
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
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Oh yeah
The $5,000 Suplex on Young (and Keisel and Smith) was well worth the money. You just don’t see things like that in the NFL today.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I will say that hit was amazing. I almost hated using it as an example :)
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that Harrison was able to pick up VY
with both Aaron Smith and Keisel on him is a feat in and of itself
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Call it a fine, call it illegal, call it dirty, but that suplex was one of the most awesome things I’ve seen in football.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
When Sports news shows are calling for it right after the game in question, you know its deserved.
Oh, and now the “Sports news shows” are part of the NFL? Sports shows never exaggerate, or spin the news. Based on your “logic”, the Steelers should be 3 – 10, because Warren Sapp, on a Sports news show, said they were “old, slow, and done”.
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When every analyst knows its coming, Harrison knows its coming. To complain about it like he never knew it was on the table is moronic on Harrison’s part. If he knew it was coming and committed the offense, then how is anyone surprised that he is suspended here?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
he didn't
complain, he only said he didn’t think it was worth the suspension. How is that complaining?
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
That is complaining. Jesus Fing Tebow… how is that complaining!? You are a moron and I’m going to ignore you from here on out.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
again with
the personal attacks. Look up what a complaint is, saying you don’t think the play deserved a suspension (before the suspension came down) is stating an opinion. Harrison said nothing after the suspension came down.
P.S. good game against SD
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 19, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Your
lil Ray Lewis has bitched about the fines and penalties also and your own Suggs said he thought Harrison was being unfairly targeted.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ray Lewis has talked about the fines very lightly (something to the effect of “Just let us play football” and not the 30 minute rant every time) and the same thing about the refs.
Harrison is being watched closer than other players and that isnt necessarily fair to him. But like I’ve said probably 30+ times now, Harrison did that to himself with his mouth and his repeat offenses. If he shut his mouth about it and took the fine, he’d probably be playing this week.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
The hit was not that bad, dude get hit harder than that every week.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Let me run at you full force and put my head into your mouth. I’ll give you a day’s salary if you just eat the hit.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
In full pads what they get paid? Are you kidding me? I would do it for a lot less than that.
Harrison wasn’t the only one running and wasn’t the only one playing the physical, violent game of football. Are you familiar with football, did they have that where you lived growing up? I have been hit plenty worse than McCoy got hit.
How is the view from your horse, can you see us alright?
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Its a little cloudy up here, but I should ask you since your so damn high.
I have been hit plenty worse than McCoy got hit.
That explains a lot. Hey everyone!!! MDSTEELERSFAN is the exact reason why they have these types of rules. 1 good hit and someone can be borderline mentally challenged. Imagine if someone the size and speed of Harrison hit him?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, now you are exposing your ignorance and bias
You want to talk about bad hits, J Johnson absolutely crushed Hines earlier this year, no flag – where was your disdain here on BTSC for that play? Sorry, you were too busy cleaning up the wine you spilled when you jumped up off your couch and spilled your Chardonnay. Hard to complain when you are celebrating.
But if you want to get into personal attacks, I am apparently the right guy, so go for it, but all of your arguments are weak sauce at the least and Raven’s drivel at the best.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
J Johnson absolutely crushed Hines earlier this year, no flag – where was your disdain here on BTSC for that play?
Completely legal hit! Shoulder to the chest that put him on his ass, not a helmet to helmet hit. Even still, when I saw it I was concerned it would be a penalty, but when they showed the replay, it was clean and then I jumped up and cheered.
you were too busy cleaning up the wine you spilled when you jumped up off your couch
Not a wine drinker. Soda and the occasional beer while watching a game. Shots and vodka if I’m out at a bar enjoying a night out.
weak sauce
Oh come on! No one uses weak sauce anymore, get back to this century. I personally think my personal attack was funny and DA BOMB! It was all that and a bag of chips. It was the shiznit.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, not a wine drinker, just a self promoting douche?
Cute name and picture BTW, where would anyone get the idea you are a wine drinker? It’s a sports website, who cares about your business? So clever to use it for both your name and your picture – we might have missed one or the other. Take your weak sauce back over to BB where you can interact with the giants among men like Evan Skev, real nice digs you’ve got there.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want any part of you coming near my mouth…
Sorry, I had to.
We aren’t professional football players! We can’t be compared to James Harrison! Maybe to an extent we can be compared to Colt McCoy (he seems to define mediocre), but not to actual football players.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want any part of you coming near my mouth…
HA Good one! Especially with words like force and eat in the sentence, it doesn’t make it sound good
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
You really think the Cribbs hit was illegal? Harrison went low and Cribbs did too. Not sure how he could have avoided that.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t as blatant as this one, but still illegal and he was fined for it. He is able to change direction quickly enough when he needs to make a play, but not quickly enough to not paralyze a player?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I could not disagree more. Cribbs is most certainly a runner at that point. Harrison sees a pile of people in front of him and Cribbs. So he goes low at Cribbs who ducks at the same time. Absolutely nothing James could do about that. Fines should only come on avoidable illegal contact.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Cribbs was bent over like that for quite a while. Certainly long enough for Harrison to not hit him in the head with his helmet. Either way, it was a penalty and a fine.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Does youtube not function properly on your computer? I don’t see Cribbs bent over for “quite a while”. It happens exactly when Harrison goes low and it’s bang bang with in half a second again.
Not to add, he’s a runner at that point.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Slo-Motion Replays are the worst thing that happened to sports
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"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Same thing with those new fangled talking picture devices those young whipersnappers are telling you….. HEY GET OUT HIS LAWN!…. Where was I again? Oh yeah, I was about to…. zzzzzzz
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is right
it gives everyone the time to analyzes every fraction of a second.
Watch the hit full speed. Real time. And go out and run and try to change direction full speed.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
go out and run and try to change direction full speed.
I’m not an NFL player. They train to read and react within a fraction of a second. Players like Larry Fitzgerald can read and react within .25 of a second so I expect Harrison to be able to do it in double the time. He had the thought to lower his head, not move it to the side or raise it up, but to lower it to give a better hit.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
larry fitzgerald doesn’t tackle… he only changes his body within .25 of a second in response to the field
How is that any different for his ability to read and react to something? My point was to illustrate their ability to see something and adjust their bodies to that situation. You agreeing that Fitz is able to do that means you agree with my point.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
actually
the cribbs his wasn’t a fine or a penalty, it was a legal hit. James was fined for the hit on Massaquoi.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Then the league F’d up on that. I’m not Goodell, so I can’t make excuses for him on that one.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
No they didn't
He wasn’t flagged or fined for that hit. Reading comprehension, try it.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Reading comprehension, try it.
I was agreeing with you, you idiot. Maybe try following your own advice.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
no your said
Then the league F’d up on that. I’m not Goodell, so I can’t make excuses for him on that one
clearly implying that the league did fine him and made a mistake in that.
Again thanks for the insults.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 19, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
it's a clean tackle if LaMarr isn't tackling him as well
and last time I checked all defensive players are taught to finish a runner if a guy has him held up
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"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
He doesnt have to go in and finish him like that though. A simple push at that point would have gotten the job done. Going in with your helmet on a player ducked over is where the problem lies.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA! I like the association
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry the Steelers play football not that two hand touch stuff they play in the AFC West
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"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah and they get suspended for “playing football” when they constantly break the rules and act like its not a big deal. The AFC west might suck, but you get what you pay for…. playing rough makes players fear you, but it also gets you in trouble.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
do you
know what consistant means?
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and I can use it in a sentence…. “You are a consistent moron”. I can also spell it too, but it looks like you have trouble with that one.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
nice
complain about people lowering to personal attacks and then start the name calling. Your are awesome.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
He is a inconsistent Moron
Did anyone mention to this assclown that Ray Lewis is a murderer and Joe Flacco is a below average QB?
by steeler fever on Dec 18, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
lol
thanks for bringing some laughs. Don’t know if you noticed, but he was doin a pretty good job of getting my goat.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 18, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
You have a goat!? Oh you mean your wife! Oh wow, that’s mean of you to say. I wouldn’t want your wife dude.
I’m just messing with you on that one. :)
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
It should be a consistent moron. Saying that I’m inconsistent would mean that I am sometimes smart.
How are you going to start on that type of stuff man? At least Lewis doesn’t rape a bunch of women or better yet at least he doesn’t sympathize with terrorists. He also isn’t considered one of the dirtiest players in the league like 3 of your guys (Ward, Harrison and Clark). For a team with a bunch of offseason problems, you guys love to throw out the murderer thing.
By the numbers Ben is also a very mediocre QB as well.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
At least Lewis doesn’t rape a bunch of women
I know what you’re going for and everything, but you are going to say it’s better to stab people to death than rape them? Wowzers.
better yet at least he doesn’t sympathize with terrorists.
You’re a headline whore aren’t you? Maybe you should look in to that.
He also isn’t considered one of the dirtiest players in the league
You have McClain, Yanda (the official dirtiest player in the league)
and Lewis. Tebow of defense, because he “motivates and leads” (Read: Tells the team “I’ll do it again to one of you muthafuckas”)
who has an equal amount of h2h hits that were fined in two seasons
So…yay for you.
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
Whose career has he ended?
what are you talking about?
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no doubt
So much drama of all these players he’s killed. Last I checked, the most recent two guys to be paralyzed were an offensive linemen and a tight end. The offensive lineman was tied up at the line and got flipped over. The tight end was on special teams. Both were complete flukes.
Let’s not let the drama get out of control.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
^ This
the whole damn subject is blown so far out of proportion it’s crazy!
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
It was a little dramatic, but my point is that these types of hits (helmet to helmet) are the types of plays that can paralyze or kill a player. Harrison hits with the force of being hit by a truck going 60, do that into someone’s head and you can truly hurt someone forever. To do it repeatedly and have no remorse for it is just cold. Now he’s suspended and he whines about it like what he is doing is fine.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
No, you are wrong
the linemen are the ones dying from this, not the money players. a completely different type of hit is what is killing people, but that is not being investigated by the league.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
The last guy that died playing football at a pro level
was an offensive lineman in the AFL that took a foot to the back of the neck
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not trying to be callused or anything, but inherent danger is sort of part of why they’re getting paid as much as they are. We don’t need to feel bad about enjoying it.
Attempting to make this sport safe by removing dangerous aspects of it is like cooking lasagna without noodles or sauce. It just doesn’t work.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
how much football can you take out of football
that is the question Roger Goodell seems to be trying to answer
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"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, flags anyone?
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Your analogy is a little bad man. Its more like making lasagna without meat in the sauce. Its still lasagna, but it just tastes a little off compared to what you are used to. In a little while, you’ll be ok with it.
Those types of plays are dangerous. While I may have exaggerated the effects to make them seem like death happens all the time, it is a fact that those types of hits (head to head) can kill or paralyze someone, especially as players get bigger and faster. That is why the league is cracking down on that type of stuff. Players love to complain about brain injury after they play, but love to complain about the game being too soft while they are getting fined for hits. Harrison knew better and he hit Colt in the head anyway.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
like
Ray
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
OK, stop trolling me Evan Skev. I thought you hated Steeler fans!?
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
The thing is
you are just as much a homer as you are claiming everyone here is. You refuse to even discuss lil Ray Ray as anything but an upstanding citizen. As far as relating me to your personal troll, whatevs
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
When have I said that Ray Lewis was a model citizen or anything like that. I’ve asked you a few times to show me the hit you keep mentioning. Until you put that up, you can shut up with your opinion because its irrelevant to the conversation to begin with.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Evan Skev here......
Listen up everyone I just want to publicly say that Ray Lewis is a murderer and Mstevens is an inconsitent Moron. Beware of this guy maloring you.
by steeler fever on Dec 18, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
It was spelled out above… Consistent. Inconsistent means that I am not always what you are claiming me to be. That means that I am sometimes smart.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maloring = owning
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
true...
I didn’t think you were a complete moron UNTIL you made this last statement.
I actually invented the word Malor, so if anyone should know what it means, it is me. Try again.
by steeler fever on Dec 18, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Harrison didn't lauch...
Launching yourself at someone’s face is a lot worse than accidental contact from 2 players running into each other on a block.
same effect as a chihuaha with a full head of steam running into a rottweiler….not good for the smaller dog
Things can always be worse....
Are you really saying that LB Harrison is the same as a chihuaha? This is such a joke, I’m not even going to comment on it anymore.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
He's the Rottweiler
since he’s the bigger man.
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
You may want to reread it
McCoy was running into Harrison, Harrison had position and was breaking down to make the tackle. McCoy’s momentum carried him into James.
Things can always be worse....
We are talking about a different play.
EAch of you are saying different things about this play on Colt. 1 says that Colt ran into Harrison and Harrison was readying himself for the tackle (giving him enough time to not put his helmet into Colt’s face). The next person says that its such a quick thing, Harrison didn’t have enough time to get his head out of the way (which is just wrong btw). You guys can’t even agree on why Harrison isn’t at fault, but you all know he isn’t.
Wow, you guys are a joke. No wonder every team we talk to hates you guys as a fanbase. Its all “pity us when something goes wrong, it must be the refs/Goodell is personally hunting our guys down” or its “we have 6 rings”. Nothing can be “We just got outplayed today, but we know we can do better” or “The guy deserved the fine/punishment for what he did”
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no other fan base ever blames officials for anything
That’s weak, man, every fan base has people who blame others and people who blame the team. It’s beyond stupid to accuse one group of fans of that more than anyone else.
Keep in mind, you’re on our site. If you don’t want to read about it, go somewhere else. You were the one who used the word “launch,” so don’t get all pissy when we call you out for it. I apologize if we understand the rules better than you do, it could be because we’ve been called for it (fairly or unfairly), so we learned how it works.
You obviously don’t. Good for your team.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no other fan base ever blames officials for anything
Never said that. I will saw that the Steeler fans I’ve run across, and this can be confirmed by every team we’ve both played this year, uses either of those 2 lines during an argument about football. It’s poor sportsmanship at every turn. If a player gets fined, its a video with a ton of comments that refers to Goodell as Hitler because he can’t find any Steeler to fine that week. Or its talk about how you guys have 6 rings and that whatever team will never have that many. Or it breaks down into 5th grader insults like repeating whatever someone says or things like “doodyhead”.
There is so little talk about actual football knowledge that it makes arguing with half of you impossible and it gives you all the reputation for being little bitches when things don’t go your way. Just like Harrison, whether its true or not, that’s the reputation you all have amongst NFL fans and if even 1 person in a debate uses those few tactics, it turns you all into douches.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
You did, actually
Wow, you guys are a joke. No wonder every team we talk to hates you guys as a fanbase. Its all "pity us when something goes wrong, it must be the refs/Goodell is personally hunting our guys down" or its "we have 6 rings"
How should I not take that saying “Steelers fans complain about the officiating”?
I can’t speak to the great magnitude of Steelers fans across the world, but I don’t blame the officials for losses (although they can make poor calls, I feel they get it right far more often than they get it wrong).
Not trying to be That Guy, either, but I’m confident in my knowledge of the game. I don’t only write “James Harrison is Suspended” stories. I like to think at the very least this site is different than most, and while you’re entering in a particularly hot lightning rod issue, we’re discussing the team far more than we’re discussing this stuff.
Oh, and the reputation of Ravens fans across the country ain’t exactly glowing, either, so let’s not throw rocks in a glass house.
Either way, good stuff, we got a little heated, but I respect your willingness to talk it out. You have my respect. Take it easy, I’m out for the night.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Either way, good stuff, we got a little heated, but I respect your willingness to talk it out. You have my respect. Take it easy, I’m out for the night.
You are actually pretty cool. We’ve had our problems before, but I appreciate anyone that is willing to talk it out and not immediately go into insulting people when they can’t argue anymore.
I’ve just seen a lot of Steeler fans, both in here and irl and most of them come across as a bunch of asshats. Now I’m friends with some Steeler fans and we joke around about it, a little trash talk, but we can both admit if either side played well or if either side played like crap. That is what I think model behavior for NFL fans should be and when I see anyone acting like a 5th grader, it pisses me off. Unfortunately due to how good the Steelers usually are, you have a ton of fans out there and very few of them are respectful, more than any other team’s fanbase that I’ve seen.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
How this...
Goodell was just pissed he could fine Harrison for the other 1000+ hit since the last suspension.
The Ravens can kiss the Steelers 6 rings.
You big stupid, “doodyhead”
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Haha, I like it. Way to fit almost all in there. You forgot the refs :)
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
you're
a douche
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
You’re a douche nozzle. Again Evan Skev… leave me alone please.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
get off our
board with your bs. You came here to troll, end of story. I have as much right to answer and ask questions of you as you do to just stir shit up.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
You didnt ask a question. You called me a name and trolled me first. Until you actually put up an opinion that is worth anything, you are going to get a little trolling back from me.
I came on here to talk about the suspension with everyone and to get an idea on why you all thought it was unfair. So far the only person to really have the conversation with me was Neal. Everyone else keeps bringing up Ray Lewis like that has any merit on what we are discussing (just in case you didn’t know bandwagon buddy, Ray Lewis plays for the Ravens and not the Steelers). Also you aren’t the owner of the board so STFU and GTFO.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
So, all these dead defensive players...
…with documented brain contusions and symptoms of brain disease brought about by repeated blows to the head, and their widows and families should be comforted because their injuries were “incidental”. Does one position merit protection under “player safet” and not another?
Or should ALL positions be protected, by being provided the BEST possible equipment to protect them as they play in their chose profession, which is acknowledged as being violent and carrying risk?
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
I never said that defensive players are horrible and arent under the same rules. I said 2 times now that the OL should have been fined.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
The defensive players ARE under different rules. Offensive players can hit them in the head all they want. That’s not hyperbole, that’s fact.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. Its not right, but it is the rules as they are now and not in question to Harrison’s hit. They should be changed a bit to make blatant head hits illegal for offensive players. Either way though, that is something to be dealt with at a later time and have no effect on Harrison’s suspension
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right, it has nothing to do with it, you and Goodell have the same problem; you’re not seeing the bigger picture.
If he wants to rail on about player safety, why are only two positions (QB and WR) being protected?
This goes to the credibility of the game and the future impact this will have. True NFL fans are not going to want to watch Arena League-level scoring. That’s what he’s foolishly trying to create. This is just one big step toward his complete goal of diminishing defense.
Why do you think the Green Bay Packers will go undefeated this year despite having the league’s 15th-ranked scoring defense? Cuz it’s no longer a defensive game.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
dude if fans wanted to see AFL football
they would watch the AFL
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
This again has nothing to do with Harrison’s suspension. Harrison knows the QB is protected, yet hit him with the top of his helmet right in his face.
I do agree with you though. The fact that more is made of this suspension and not on the Browns for putting in Colt after 2 plays and not running the proper tests is beyond me. I don’t doubt the league wants the game to be safer (it probably helps fatten their checkbooks if players are getting hurt less often), but they do seem to half-heartedly go about it and in a way that protects the playmakers of the game. While that isn’t fair and it needs to be addressed, the rules are set as they are right now and every player is made aware of them equally. To constantly go against the rules and then either laugh about it or bitch about it like its not fair is stupid.
There is no such thing as true NFL fans anymore. No one seems to understand (even the people at the Beatdown) that this game isn’t for the older people, but the young kids. The NFL knows that they can breed young little football watchers at a young age and they want kids to be a part of the community that is the NFL. That means buying merch, buying tickets, going to events, etc which all translates into more money for the NFL. Older generations always seem to look at the past of the NFL and talk about the “pussification” of the game like its a bad thing. The NFL is being watched by more people than ever right now and it hasn’t hurt the fun of the game for the older generation either. Those insane hits that happened before can still happen and still do happen.
What the NFL needs to work on from a rule perspective is more on the refs. They are too old and too inconsistent between each set. 1 ref is “flag happy” while others “let the game be played”, which only creates confusion when you see a defender armbar a WR in the endzone to not be called 1 week and the next week a little incidental contact is a PI call. That is what frustrates all fans of the game and where the NFL needs to do better. Making it safer doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to watch a close game between 2 rivals fighting for the last playoff spot
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
That is all fine and dandy, but the rules as they stand right now are discriminatory at best, and unconstitutional at least
and before you say I am blowing this out of proportion, keep in mind that the NFL is an illegal monopoly with no oversight to start with and one of the basic tenents of the constitution is:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal
Yet there are two positions on the field protected from these hits and two positions only. Everyone else is cannon fodder.
James received the EXACT same type of hit earlier in the year and it was completely “Legal”. You can argue all you want, your arguments are flawed by the facts.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, had my least and best in the wrong spots, but you get the picture...
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
These guys sign up and play knowing the rules of the game, just like they know they can be hurt at any time. Harrison knew what he was going to do was going to be a penalty (if he didn’t, we have a much larger problem at hand) and he knew he was being watched for any slip up so he could be made an example of (we all knew it, so if he didn’t then we again have a much larger problem here). He hit him and he got the fine and the suspension like we all knew he would. Complaining because it “isn’t fair” is stupid.
BTW, the hit Harrison received was different. Either way, I’ve stated numerous times that it was worthy of a fine as well.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
so now it's all "they knew the rules when they signed up"
You are so full of it. As you have already alluded to – these weren’t the rules when they signed up, the rules are changing to remove this type of play from the game – you can’t get out of your own way with your weak arguments. And you are really foolish enough to believe he had enough time to think before the contact? You must have played full contact chess, football is a game of training and instinct, the strategy part is for the coaches and pre-snap reads, after the ball is snapped, everything is instinct. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand, it isn’t a wine and cheese game.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
You are so full of it. As you have already alluded to – these weren’t the rules when they signed up
Nope, I’ve definitely said numerous times that the league informed everyone that offenders last year would be considered repeat offenders this year. A h2h hit isnt a new rule by any means and doing it into someone’s facemask that you can avoid is dirty. Harrison knew all this before this year and certainly before this game. Old habits die hard though, so here he is sitting on his couch this week.
You must have played full contact chess
I must admit, this sounds interesting! But no, I’ve played HS football until I tore my MCL and meniscus. I’ve boxed and practiced in MMA since I was around 13 or so. I’ve played a ton of sandlot football with kids younger and older/bigger than me.
A guy that has been playing this game since he was 10 or younger and that is as highly trained as Harrison is can move his head 1ft to the left or right so he hits with his shoulder. The reason none of us are in the NFL is because we just can’t react as quickly as these guys can. They can read and react far quicker than 1 second as you can see by the video. Harrison lowered his head a bit at the last second so that he was looking at the ground, leaving the crown of his helmet exposed right into Colt’s face.
To say that everything is instinct means you don’t understand the difference between professional and amateur athletes. I’m pretty sure that a few of your fellow fans have been facepalming themselves reading your comments as you keep walking into my argument and opening the door for me showing how correct I am.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
you are the one waling into your own arguments, not me, you keep contradicting yourself
from one statement to the next and keep trying to argue, my points have all been of the same vein. You lack skills. You believe the only thing that kept you out of the NFL was reaction time? That’s rich! You think the difference between james and I is he should be able to move his head quicker than me? Can you pass that? It’s puff, puff, pass homie…
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Its not the only thing, I tore apart my knee too. I actually never said that I should have been in the NFL nor did I allude towards that.
In the context of this penalty, fine and suspension I did say that Harrison is a highly trained athlete that has been doing this so long, he is a freak of nature. He can read and react before any of us normal people could read. Part of the reason he is good is because he can look at a situation, analyze it and start to move his body accordingly in a fraction of a second. If you look at the play, he had plenty of time to read and react as he has doe in similar situations before to not get the penalty but still deliver a hard hit.
So, no I haven’t contradicted myself at all. I’ve maintained the same stance I have since the beginning of this argument. I’ve given you a multitude of reasons why Harrison is wrong and why the suspension is warranted, but that is it.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, even you aren't even buying what you are selling. Just keep changing what you are saying to suit your needs, like we aren't paying any attention
These guys sign up and play knowing the rules of the game
ends up being:
Nope, I’ve definitely said numerous times that the league informed everyone that offenders last year would be considered repeat offenders this year
Essentially proving what I said, those weren’t the rules when they signed up, James Harrison has been paying for 9 years.
This:
A guy that has been playing this game since he was 10 or younger and that is as highly trained as Harrison is can move his head 1ft to the left or right so he hits with his shoulder. The reason none of us are in the NFL is because we just can’t react as quickly as these guys can.
Turns into this:
Its not the only thing, I tore apart my knee too. I actually never said that I should have been in the NFL nor did I allude towards that.
In the context of this penalty, fine and suspension I did say that Harrison is a highly trained athlete that has been doing this so long, he is a freak of nature. He can read and react before any of us normal people could read. Part of the reason he is good is because he can look at a situation, analyze it and start to move his body accordingly in a fraction of a second.
You Keep telling yourself you are consistent, when you are actually the opposite, regularly changing your story and view to match your self righteous stance.
So when you can’t win your point, you devolve into personal attacks, I guess I should expect another now.
That explains a lot. Hey everyone!!! MDSTEELERSFAN is the exact reason why they have these types of rules. 1 good hit and someone can be borderline mentally challenged. Imagine if someone the size and speed of Harrison hit him?
It should be a consistent moron. Saying that I’m inconsistent would mean that I am sometimes smart.
How are you going to start on that type of stuff man? At least Lewis doesn’t rape a bunch of women or better yet at least he doesn’t sympathize with terrorists. He also isn’t considered one of the dirtiest players in the league like 3 of your guys (Ward, Harrison and Clark). For a team with a bunch of offseason problems, you guys love to throw out the murderer thing.
By the numbers Ben is also a very mediocre QB as well.
BTW – saying you are inconsistent moron doesn’t mean that sometimes you are smart, it means that you disagree with yourself from comment to comment – get it – inconsistent.
Also, by the numbers Ben is a phenom. There is only one QB in the league with more wins and rings since Ben started playing and that is Brady (who may go down as the best ever).
You are simply wrong on a lot of what you have put here, but you are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.
Enjoy your dark room and just keep eating the propaganda, you can’t handle the truth.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 19, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not old
And my problems rests far more with where the game is going as opposed to where it is today. It’s that bigger picture thing again. Where does this stop? Goodell is already responsible for a work stoppage and is easily the most controversial league commissioner since Selig’s power days. His decision to attempt to change the tire while the car was still moving (just randomly determine in Week 6 last year big hits needed to be fined despite none of those hits being fined in Week 5) shows arrogance and little respect for the players who work for the owners he represents.
Your point about consistent officiating right before the line about making it safer doesn’t ruin the fun of watching a close game is laughable. If your Ravens have that penalty go against them in a game they ultimately lose, you’ll blame the officials.
Maybe we wouldn’t have to worry so much about the officiating if the league didn’t over-regulate every square inch of it. Maybe the players aren’t “dirty,” but the officials are required to govern far too much. Maybe these problems arise because players are frustrated over a lack of clarity and consistency from both the league and the officials it boils over.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Goodell isnt responsible for a work stoppage. The previous commission and the NFLPA put that CBA on the table and it was bad for the owners. Goodell if anything, helped balance out the league from a monetary standpoint and he is trying to make it safer overall.
The refs are not being consistent, but the rules are pretty clear (for the most part). We whine and complain about it as fans because its not how we remember football, but it is a growing sport with a ton of contact that needs to be made safer to allow these players to not be retarded in 10 years. Other sports don’t go through this transformation partly because they aren’t as popular and partly because they don’t have half the contact football has.
I have blamed the refs for games that we should have lost (game against the Bengals for instance… it was a clean catch and should have been a TD). They need to be more consistent with the calls because it makes it harder to watch the game and know whats going on. But we are all still here watching, games aren’t any less fun. There have been a bunch of exciting plays and a bunch of hard nosed games this year. The rules about safety haven’t killed the game like everyone was bitching about earlier this year.
Like I said, the NFLs biggest problem is the officiating. You have a bunch of 50+ year olds trying to run around with a bunch of 20-30 year olds that are far better athletes than they ever could be. With the game getting faster, relying on a bunch of old farts that clearly don’t understand the rules as they are right now (they are only paid for the year and don’t go through that much training in the offseason, if any) is why we have the problems we have. Its why 1 game can be called fairly and another goes slow because of a flag on the field every other play. If the NFL fixed that, we would be enjoying the best football of our lives right now.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
How is he not responsible for a work stoppage that was opted out of when he was the commish
He knew it was coming and didn’t do anything to help get it done
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 17, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly he was in charge of forcing the owners to accept a deal that didn’t make sense to them and he was also in charge of forcing the players to give up a bunch of money. Goodell wasn’t in charge of that at all actually, but it was representatives from the players and owners. The owners were butthurt that they got taken last time and wanted to take revenge on the players for it this time. The players got offended and then wanted to be assholes about it.
None of that really has anything to do with Goodell. He was just the person at the middle of the table playing messenger.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
How in the world was that incidental? He lowered his helmet and put it right into Harrison’s. That’s H2H. But thanks for completely ignoring the point of my whole comment.
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
The player was making a block. He has to square up with Harrison and lower himself so that he has leverage. Still worthy of a penalty and fine.
How the hell is no one getting that I am agreeing with you that the OL should have been fined.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I misread your initial comment
The rest of this is me still being pissed at the NFL for allowing that. =)
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
BS
the O lineman was running at Harrison in the open field and lowerd his helmet to smash a guy five inches shorter directly in the facemask.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 16, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
He lowered his whole body to get leverage and prepared to make the block. He didnt just lower his head like you think he did. Watch it again and you can clearly see he also had his hands out in front of him as well. But again for the 10th Fing time, it still deserved a fine.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't
say he just lowered his head, but he lead with the crown. Where is the difference. I know you have said it deserved a fine, but what you haven’t admitted is that it was a far more egregious H2H than Harrisons on McCoy.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, let me ask you a serious question here….. Do you realize that Harrison isn’t suspended solely for this 1 hit? I truly mean to ask that question. So far all you keep talking about is that the hit isn’t as bad as others you see around the league, yet you mention nothing of Harrison’s checkered past with fines and penalties that actually led to the suspension since he is a multiple repeat offender.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
yes
I realize that.
Here is the issue as I see it. The league actually lowered Harrisons fines at the end of the season for not getting anymore penatlies, an act that shows they believe he is working on it. He went 16 games (not including the ones he didn’t play in due to injury), over 1000 snaps and not one illegal hit. This hit wasn’t as egregious as people want to act like, the majority of contact was to Colts body by James arms. There was Helmet contact but it was not a ramming, spearing motion, nor did Harrison launch at him. This is why I didn’t think he deserved a suspension after that long without a flag.
The examples of other players and what they have done, while you are correct they have no bearing on this specific case, are meant to show a bias against a single player. Many of those examples are repeat offenders as well. While I agree that his mouth has caused a large amount of the problem, it shouldn’t be part of the decision for the punishment for an onfield, between the whistles play.
A large part of the discussion we have been having around here is about how the NFL will handle the other repeat offenders now that they have set the precedent. It isn’t just about the Steelers and Harrison, the NFL has shown that they are not interested in player safety, only reciever and QB safety. Will they make changes to the game to protect all players, probably not. Will they treat other repeat offenders as severely as Harrison, that has yet to be seen. If they do start doling out suspensions, then those teams that play a physical version of football such as your Ravens will start to be affected by the same issue.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 19, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
this one is as textbook illegal as you can possibly get
This is at the core of the issue; it is NOT “textbook”, if you go by the current rule, as it is written; McCoy had ball tucked, and had taken necessary # of steps running, to be classified as a runner. Runners are NOT protected by H2H rules.
That said, until such time as either (1) refs get clear understanding of when is a QB a runner (yea rigth, just after they understand when a catch is a “catch”), or (2) the written rule is changed to explicitly state you cannot hit a QB EVER, with a helmet.
The League is enforcing its intent of a rule, not the rule as it is written.
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Runners are NOT protected by H2H rules.
Almost sure that is wrong. Any head to head hit is illegal, especially when he had the time to get his head out of the way. Usually in cases like this, 2 players are moving vertically so timing can be off, but both stayed the same level…. crown of helmet into facemask.
To take it to an extreme of “you can never hit a QB with a helmet” is a bit dramatic. The same exact hit on BB, you would be crying foul all week long as would any fan of any team. It was a vicious and seemingly intentional (whether it is or not) hit meant to put a player down.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
You're completely wrong
Running backs lead with their helmet all the time.
Your problem is you’re designating a quarterback as the position he lines up in at the start of a play. That’s not true. If he tucked the ball in his arm, is out of the pocket and is running, he’s no longer a quarterback. Harrison made a move to tackle him before he untucked the ball and threw it.
That makes him a quarterback, and what Harrison did, therefore, is illegal. But in the miniscule amount of time he had to make that determination, and after he already broke down to make the tackle, it’s ridiculous to think his intent was malicious. If anything, you could make the argument he pulled his body back as to not follow through on the hit.
Poor form on Harrison’s part – if you weren’t just a troll you would have read those sentiments the other day on this site – fine worthy, but no chance does it even come close to the level of dirt of the other two people Goodell has suspended.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Almost sure that is wrong. Any head to head hit is illegal, especially when he had the time to get his head out of the way.
I am one hundred percent certain you are wrong, runners are not protected by helmet-to-helmet contact. If this was the case a personal foul penalty would be called on almost every running play as helmet-to-helmet contact is very common. Since you have establish the amount of expertise you have on this subject and it is lacking might as well just leave now.
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Nope, you are right. Runners and OL are protected on that one. However, my point is still valid. He had intent because he moved his head right into Colt’s face. Any player will agree that they are highly trained machines that are built to read and react in milliseconds. Anyone trying to say he didn’t have the time to get his head out of the way is joking themselves.
The lack of ability to debate the merits of anything around here is hilarious. If anyone disagrees with the general statement in this forum they are told “just leave now” or treated with 5 year old comments. If you just don’t see Harrison hitting Colt with the crown of his helmet, then that is fine.. you’re blind, but its fine. But to immediately criticize and demean anyone here that isn’t in the circle jerk session is sad.
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by Mstevens_Design on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Excuse me but...
Any player will agree that they are highly trained machines that are built to read and react in milliseconds.
WHAT?!
The human reaction time varies in healthy adults from roughly 150 milliseconds to 300 milliseconds. That is roughly than a sixth of a second to a third of a second. Everyone can agree that the play happened in at least a third of a second. So at best that leaves Harrison what a tenth of a second to change the momentum of his 250lbs frame and thus changing the trajectory. Not impossible but lets not act like it is an easy task to do that especially when you are alos having to process whether Colt is going to actually pass or is it a pump fake? Or which way is he (Colt) going to move?
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If anyone disagrees with the general statement in this forum they are told "just leave now"
Since those are my exact word I am assuming you meant me. Well I do love a debate.
When you stated “Any head to head hit is illegal” that revealed your blatant lack of knowledge with the NFL Rules. This means that your are either going to debate with falsified information, or attempt to debate opinion.
Since debating false information make you look like Fox News I would assume you would not want to do that. Which leave your only other option to debate opinion.
Since your opinion does nothing to either build the case of James Harrison’s suspension being valid or refute the case of the suspension being invalid, it is not necessary to hear. Since it is not necessary to hear I made the point that you “should just leave”.
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Big smile over here...
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Almost sure that is wrong. Any head to head hit is illegal
Are you sure about that?
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by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Heres the problem
the NFL came out in their statement and said that. They change the rules as they see fit. Now they are saying the QB gets QB rules whether he is running or passing.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's not wrong.
Try again.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
What rules are you going by...
The only one I saw clearly states that
bq. Defenseless players are defined as (a) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass
In other words the defensive player is completely responsible for not hitting any, players who are in the act of throwing a pass or just thrown one, in the helmet. No where did I read that so many steps make you a runner. A flawed rule in my opinion but under the rule this was an illegal hit.
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Should have been block quoted
Defenseless players are defined as (a) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass
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Even more so
if Colt was beyond the line of scrimmage and attempted an illegal forward pass James Harrison would have still got flagged.
A.R. 12.50 ROUGHING THE PASSER—ILLEGAL FORWARD PASS
Second-and-10 at the 50. A1 scrambles and runs to the B49 and then retreats to the A45 and passes the ball to A2 at the B40. After the ball has left A1’s hand, B1 takes two steps and hits quarterback A1 facemask to facemask as he tackles him.
Ruling: First-and-10 on B35. (5 vs. 15). Illegal forward pass and roughing the passer. Roughing the passer rules apply on all legal or illegal forward passes, as long as the pass is thrown from behind the
line of scrimmage. (12-2-12)
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For me, anyway
I never said it was a legal hit. I’m saying the amount of time between when McCoy was a runner and when he turned himself back into a quarterback was way too short to expect him to completely alter his trajectory. At that point, he held his shoulder back so he didn’t hit a defenseless QB, but his helmet hit him anyway.
It was a valid flag. It’s nowhere close to what they’ve suspended people for in the past.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I agree no where close to suspension worthy but was a penalty, no matter how seemingly impossible it was to change his trajectory.
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the rule needs a little common sense added
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Steel34D. What the hell is up with the Cards? What is the key to that turnaround? They have been very impressive lately.
I HAVE the memo
With two D's, for a double dose of this pimpin'
That Skelton guy isn’t the complete compost heap I thought he was!
I watched that game against the 49ers this week, and I watched the first time they played. It’s like he went from Ryan Leaf all the way to David Carr in just a few games! Amazing!
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
so…In all likelihood, the Cards are really regretting that contract they gave Kolb? I regretted it for them when I heard they gave it to him.
I HAVE the memo
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No...
I really liked John Skelton coming out of the draft. Reminded me of Ben and correctly picked him to go to the Cardinals. He will be good but right now he has accuracy issues, and is young.
The real key to the Cardinals turnaround is the defense. The defensive is really playing good only 18pts per game during this stretch. After taking away the pick sixes and the safeties the offense gave up I belive they are only allowing like 14pts per game.
The by the Steelers game Ray Horton had less then 50% of the play book installed right now he has like 85% of the playbook. Can’t wait till they have a full offseason. Horton is doing great
Then there is Sam Acho who I really liked in this years draft and the Cards got as a steal in my opinion in the 4th. The guy is going to be a very solid OLB for years.
If Kolb was healthy I guarantee he’d put up better numbers then Skelton, but in like two year it would surprise me if Skelton became the guy.
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Their D has been tough all year
Love what Coach Horton is doing there. He had a pretty tough assignment with a short season, but bringing him in is the best move they’ve made in the last two years.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
First six games they didn’t grasp there assignment especially in the secondary and were allowing like 28pt per game.
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Oh that makes sense
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Ryan leaf to David Carr
Was that supposed to be positive comparisons.
Skelton has a long way to go I think he could be really special in this offense a lot like Ben. He is young and needs some more time but I think he has a higher ceiling than Kolb.
Kolb in my opinion can be a very good QB but never a great one
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^ Does it have to be that damn complicated?
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately yes...
The rules do a good job in highlighting a lot of hard calls but they do it in this legal jargon that covers everything.
Simply put if the player is behind the line and attempt to pass the ball, regardless of if hit passed the line previously, James Harrison can not make contact with their head or neck area.
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The hit looked worse than it probablywas
because you have basically a grape running into a brick wall. Harrison looks like he backed off a bit as evidenced by no extension of the arms and his hands being in the position they were. There was no wrap up and it could have been far worse. He should not have hit him the way he did, but that was a bang bang play. McCoy was a runner less than a second before contact was made. It is what it is and it gave Goodell what he was looking for to extract his revenge for what Harrison said in the off season.
Things can always be worse....
Yep
I’ve been saying that all week too. No one can convince me otherwise. It was personal. Ray Lewis would not have been suspended for that. Or at least pre-Turf Toe Ray Lewis. The version that actually plays.
The problem is everyone can sit and break it down in slow motion. The rules are written in slow-motion. That’s not how the game is played, nor is it how it should be viewed.
And no, I don’t like instant replay much either.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
When a shark attacks a human we dont overreact and call for the capture and punishment of the shark, do we? No. Its nature. Its unfortunate. Same as the game of football. Some hits are definately violent and preventable with proper technique. Trying to remove head contact when two people are running at each other is absurd. Its just too bad that every helmet to helmet hit is going to hurt more than the two people involved in the collision. I think officiating has been sketchy because even they are scratching their heads when now it seems youve got to throw a flag every few minutes because a helmet clanged another.
I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
by steeltech on Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not to change the subject but this...
While Harrison’s suspension is a first under NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for actions between the whistles on the field,
…is false.
Eric Smith was fined 50,000 and suspended 1 game for his helmet-to-helmet hit on Anquan Boldin in 2008.
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That
was the one that broke Boldin’s face right?
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 16, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it was
He then became the man with the metal plate in his face.
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That should not have been a fine or suspension, honestly.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
The guy intentionally launched himself at Boldins upper body...
and hit him in the head, definitely a fine able, but the suspension was due to the wide reaction of the public. It was Smith first hit of the year as well.
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It looked like he was going for his chest but his teammate hit Boldin in the back and propelled his head into Smith’s head. Although now that I look at it again he did leave his feet…
I still maintain that he should not have been suspended, and the fine was a little too harsh.
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When a shark attacks a human we dont overreact and call for the capture and punishment of the shark, do we?
Ever been on the coast of Florida after reports of shark attacks? There are fleets of fishing vessels out there doing nothing but trying to catch and kill every shark possible.
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To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
youre thinking of
The movie Jaws.
I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
by steeltech on Dec 16, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats sharkism. Are you a sharkist.
I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
by steeltech on Dec 16, 2011 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not a sharkist, my best friend is a shark?
I HAVE the memo
With two D's, for a double dose of this pimpin'
I don't even see them as sharks
They’re just like the other things swimming in the water, ya know?
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
don't hate the shark
hate the ocean
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by count'em_six on Dec 16, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Holmgren and the medical staff
I think part of the conversation needs to focus on a team’s medical staff sending a player back on the field. Cleveland has a long history now of failure regardless to its medical support system.
If Goodell is going to suspend Harrison, disciplinary action must be taken on the Celevand organization for putting an injured player back on the field. The league can and should make player safety a priority, but they need to be consistent with the message.
I serve as what is basically an administrative law judge, and an attorney appeared before me...
..,and we had a prior history of strong disagreements. He made a couple of arguments in the hearing that I wasn’t buying and I made that fact clear to him, but did so in strong language.
He submitted a written request that I recuse myself. I did.
Mr Harrison and Mr Goodell have a similar history. Mr Goodell should have recused himself in this matter, simply for the knowledge that Mr Harrison’s urine would not be available to save him from a fiery death.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Sure. Of course, we won't get anywhere.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
We may have to take more drastic measures then.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'll go get the pitchforks then
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I got ma lynchin' rope.
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I'll get the torches
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
And I'll go get the villagers......
…tailgate at Castle Frankenstein…..er, rather Castle Goodell!
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Wouldn't that be something
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
so is "recuse"
being used as a euphemism?
If so, then I think Rog should definately go “recuse” himself. with a broom handle.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
If enough of us piss on him...
…will he float?
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 16, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
This is what make the legal system good...
We are human, we can’t help but let emotion play a small role in decision making. No one can say they making a truly balanced appeal of a guy who bashed them in public.
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If I were James Harrison....
I’d start aiming lower and start sackramming QB’s. Make them jewels change colors like moodrings. Then, maybe they’d start asking me to just go back to knocking them out cold.
by SteelCityRoller on Dec 16, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions
can't go for the legs
can’t take a QB to hard to the ground. So I have no clue how you tackle a QB anymore
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 16, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Strike box
Although James is a lot bigger than a Baseball
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't going for his "legs"
then you don’t have to take him hard to the ground. He’ll fall to the ground on his own. Harrison’s not the tallest guy in the league. He keeps his head up, so he can see where he’s going. If they want him to put it down, I’d aim for the cup. Haven’t seen anything in the rulebooks about sacktapping the opponent, unintentionally of course
by SteelCityRoller on Dec 16, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Go for the middle leg.....
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- Homer J. Simpson
Are we sure that's not a helmet to "helmet" hit?
If you know what I am saying…
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Maybe they should write a rule about that...
If Deebo started “Steppin up to the mike”, he’d be handing out concussions to generations of Brown-Towners to come. Like knowing your ancestors played for the Browns isn’t bad enough…
by SteelCityRoller on Dec 16, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve heard an interview with a current player that said they don’t really wear cups out there. He said its really common to get hit in the nuts, but you kinda get used to it.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
seriously though
The hit on McCoy was about the least premeditated “contact” I’ve seen of all Mr. Harrison’s penalized hits. It looked like two cows running into each other, caught up in the midst of a stampede. Unsure what the other’s gonna do, Bull decides to just hold his line, and dumb cow gets planted. Why aren’t they teaching the offensive players to stop leading with their faces, and/or helmets? Half of the flagged incidents I’ve witnessed this year, was more on the fault of the offensive player, putting his head where it didn’t belong.
by SteelCityRoller on Dec 16, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
no way. your blind. harrison lined it up and hit him like that on purpose. stop being a homer. even i thought that ray should have been flagged for nailing ward like that. but ray doesn’t run his fat mouth like your bone head.
lol
where are the ravens fans when ray is talking? Really? Ray is the most vocal defensive player in the league. There are too many times where he whines to the media about the refs. I guess you only remember what you want.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ray knows when to taper off his comments…Bone Head just digs a deeper hole for himself. He reminds me of thug in Breakfast Club. He just keeps asking for more detention.
And yet...
He gets the Prom Queen in the end…and your comment about Ray Lewis knowing when to “taper off his comments” is funnier than you realize. And so very true!
I wonder why he paid off the victim’s kid if he really had nothing to do with it….
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 17, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Just because you pay someone doesn’t mean anything. Criminal and personal law require 2 very different standards of defense and proof. Paying someone usually means that you think the civil trial could go either way (whether guilty or not) and its easier to just pay a bit and go about your day and not be a distraction.
Ben on the other hand likes to rape women and then have the cops lose evidence. He learned what not to do by Ray’s trial.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Let Worilds use the opportunity to mak eLebeau devise a scheme where Worilds, Deebo, and Woodley are on the field together.
The best way to respond to the League Office would be for Jason to keep improving and require Lebeau to change his scheme in passing down with Deebo, Worilds, Harrison, Kiesel and Heyward as the pass rushing front 5.
just bust out the browns game plan. that was sweet. there is no way you win Monday. not a hot chance in hell. your qb is limping, the only threat on your D line is out, your center is hobbled. all the 9ers have to do is stop Mendy and judging how you get away from the run just when you get it going…..not good folks. monday at midnight the ravens pretty much clinch.
Iol
lets see how this plays out
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I love it when trolls come over and explain to us our situation.
Thanks for the update, guy, I really didn’t know our QB was “limping.” Even less aware the "only threat on our (sic) “DL” is out.
And our center is “hobbled?!?” Shut the front door!
Let’s keep in mind your best cover corner is “hobbled” too, and you’re also traveling cross country to play a MUCH better offense than Pittsburgh is. Which AFC North team has won the division since 2006?
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
ill tell you how it will play out. mendy runs for 5 mendy runs for 11 mendy runs for 8 mendy doesn’t touch the ball for 49 minutes mendy runs for 8 mendy sits for 16 more minutes mendy walks of the field with a towel over his head and big OL LOSE.
I think by your summary, the game went into overtime. Don’t tell me Suisham missed a 40 yarder!
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone’s invited to the Beatdown Sunday night. I just want to be fair because we’ll be holding a party here Monday night. If any of you make the trip to B-more for our playoff game I have a warm beer for you at tailgate.
See that is the difference between the clubs.
We only celebrate SB wins.
by jglo on Dec 16, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, so that explains why you guys have been so bummed lately. You all know that isnt going to happen for a while. We’ve just been getting the Gatorade shower down because we’ll be doing it in the SB.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I would actually rather see the Ravens win a SB over
Patriots
Cowboys
Seachickens
I would not begrudge them their time in the sun.
I actually don’t hate the Ravens. The Cowboys & the
Patriots are a whole other matter. I understand why the
Steelers are so hated though, it comes with the territory.
Yeah, a lot of the Steeler fanbase are just onboard because you all usually win a lot. Those fans tend to be assholes because they can just jump on any good team and be winners.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Personal attacks,
How predictable, of course being perrenial champs
means more fans, but with our great franchise most fans
fall in love with the enduring values of the organization. They
pass that love on to their children and so on.
Even during the years of Brista & Malone Steeler nation was there.
You & every Steeler hater out there lose credibility the moment you
refer to Steeler fans as fair weather, I hear people
say the same about all the storied franchises. The Steelers
inspire rabid fandom because of their legacy on & off the field.
They are not glamorous, they don’t have pretty
boys or media hogging types. They attract people who
love the sport.
Yeah, we’re having such an awful year.
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by John Stephens on Dec 17, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
From what you guys normally do… yeah you are. You guys are on the decline right now, but with a better OL and pass defense, you guys could be doing a lot better. Injuries also really hurt you all this year too.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
“on the decline”? I would LOVE for you to try to explain that one. Please?
“Old defense”? Seems pretty even between our teams there. Lewis should have retired last year, and Reed should have retired three years ago.
Is it all the old receivers we have, that we ACTUALLY use? Nope…can’t be that
Must be our really old qb that can actually win games, and avoid whining to the media any chance he gets because hims not gettin his wespect, while basically calling his fans idiots that don’t know about football? No wait, that’s your quarterback. (Minus the old part…but…with his gay porn stache he’s rocking..)
Must be our really old offensive line? Nope, that’s yours
But, if you would, I’d love for you to explain “on the decline”. Especially, consider our teams had the same record when you posted that comment, and only one of our teams consistently lose to god awful teams.
I’d think the team on the decline is the one that can’t beat the f’in Jaguars…but that’s me (and everyone else in the world, beside you and Malor)
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
Can we all douse each other in Gatorade too?
We would if we won the division, but…we usually do that. It has lost its appeal. If you guys win, though, you totally should. I barely even remember the last time you won a division.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The smile I am wearing right now is HUGE! Good shit Neal, good shit.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
ITs OK, we’ll be giving ourselves a shower after the Bengals finish above you next year. Have fun being the bottom of the AFC North for the next decade.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Dec 17, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yawn
I have been hearing that same old tune for almost
a decade. Every time the peasants catch a break they
think they can roll with royalty.
That attitude is exactly why the league as a whole hates Steeler fans. You guys think you are royalty. Yet you sit barely in the WildCard spot this year after getting beat up all year long.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Dec 18, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
We are royalty...
…for we own more “crowns” than anyone.
Of course, to the rest of the league, especially the Ratbird fans, the image that comes to their collective goblin minds is:“One Ring to Rule Them All. One Ring to Find Them. One Ring to Bring Them All and In The Darkness Bind Them.”
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Yet you sit barely in the WildCard spot this year after getting beat up all year long.
Another classic comment from you. “barely in the wildcard spot”? Really? with that two game lead with three to go. Getting beat up all year long? Derrrrrrpppp. Evan Skev back in the house obviously.
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
This is why folks can't play nice
You have season after season of almost and yet you talk all this trash. Almost isn’t good enough, that is why Steelers fans have higher expectations from their team. What you fail to realize with all your misguided hate is that most of the folks here really respect the Ravens organization and what they have been able to accomplish over the last decade, but lets be honest, your ugliness is very misguided, so far all your boys have managed to do is lose AFC Championship Games. Hardly a standard of excellence with which to belittle others.
What’s wrong, do they not like you over at BB? Why are you here? Go home! That’s your home! Don’t you like your home? Aren’t you good enough for your home? Answer me! But I digress…
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Just had to come back and comment to you. I have no problems over at BB actually. I also don’t hate the Steelers by any means… I hate the fans, but that seems to be the case with each of our teams.
I do find it funny that the only remarks you guys can make this year are about Gatorade showers and us losing to the Jags. Now that the season is over and we are the #2 seed and you have to play this weekend, its clear that while we beat the good teams and occasionally lost to the bad teams on the road, that we are the better team this year. That isnt a knock on you or your team, but just a fact that Steeler fans seem to absolutely hate.
We are the best division in football and we play a lot of great games. There will always be a hatred between our teams, but I wish there were better trash talking aside from the usual “Ray Lewis is a murderer”, “Rapistberger”, “gatorade showers”, “Whines Hard”, “Harrison is a thug” BS that gets thrown out too often. Why when a person comes over to actually discuss the suspension and merits of it seriously, he has to be pinned against the wall and treated like a troll is beyond me. Say what you will about me, but if you look at how things played out here, I wasnt the one that fired the first shot and I tried my best, can continue to try to keep things civil and only about the topic at hand (Harrison’s suspension). But keep being in denial about how you guys are perceived and how you treat other fans and enjoy being 3rd in the AFC North next year as Ben’s injuries and a defense that has its best players getting increasingly towards retirement.
Monkey Feces for OC!
by Mstevens_Design on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I love it
every year.
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by count'em_six on Dec 16, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by John Stephens on Dec 17, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon man! Haven't all the years of almost taught you anything?
Wait for the fat lady before getting a big head Raven. Seems kinda silly of me to say that looking at your picture. Okay, don’t count all your chickens before they hatch, we still have one more game against the Ravens for you to get anywhere. ;-)
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t even spill a warm beer on someone. That’s how I know you’re pure evil.
by klompus on Dec 16, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When you think of the Steelers what words come to mind?
Venerable
Majestic
Historic
Toughness
Champions
And when football has lost its glory and we look
back at the great days of the sport the Ravens will be
nowhere in that lore.
Experienced
Calm
Focused
Explosive
Angry
That’s how I see the Steelers right now. Iron sharpens iron. If we have to go play a tough defense, then good. Let’s get ready for a tough defense. Time to answer the bell.
You don’t see Steelers fans bragging about their 2008 AFC North Division championship, do you? The last time the Ravens won a division, they got bounced from the playoffs in the first round. We prepare for the long haul. We’re used to playing with the entire 53.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Suspension Is Correct
Harrison is fully in control of his body and he puts kill shots on people. I will always have a soft spot for him for the SB play and many others. However, he seems to think head shot violence is acceptable and that his very should prevail or is at least correct. He’s wrong, needs to change, won’t change and has, is and will continue to tarnish his legacy, in my view. Sad.
by rushthequarterback on Dec 16, 2011 7:41 PM EST reply actions
The suspension is not correct - there is not precedent for it
Harrison should have received a fine, that’s it.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 16, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
With all the fabulously interesting banter going on about the Harrison play, there’s a part in the rule book that has me a tad perplexed. Perhaps someone could take a moment to read the part and see how they feel how it applies to the Harrison hit on Colt.
Section 2 Personal Fouls
Article 13
Parts 1, 4 (really interesting that one), and 7 and most importantly, 8.
I won’t spoil it with my views but would like other interpretations of a very poorly worded rule.
Hint: It pertains to Harrison hitting McCoy, understanding he supposedly has enough time to KNOW where the ball is (because evidently HE’S required to know where the ball is at all times!) and whether in a split second a QB going from legal runner to “defenseless” QB is enough time fro a defender to change his tack.
Confusing? Yep! Take a read and see what you think.
And the number 4 part in that rule? See if you can remember any times it SHOULD have applied to Ben…or any other QB for that matter.
The rulebook is written in piecemeal fashion. Some of it contradicts other parts. I attribute that to the fact Goodell is the least educated commissioner in all of sports, and his talents are based on unifying the opinions of the owners, not pushing the league forward (like his predecessors).
The rulebook has expanded more under Goodell than any other commissioner. The problem is, they didn’t bother to look at the existing rules, they just wrote new ones in, and focus on those.
For example, it is both legal and illegal to hit a runner with your helmet. You can hit a defensive player with your helmet, but you can’t hit any player with your helmet (runners included). Those are all separate rules.
If you’re really bored, look up the Peter’s Principle. Wouldn’t be surprised if Goodell’s picture is in there.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Neal,
We’re taking about black and white rules here. That rule clearly states the QB deciding on passing at a split second is only protected if he provided enough time for the defender to determine it was a pass. Micro seconds must count in Goodell’s science.
McCoy clearly started to run outside the pocket giving up protection according to that rule. When he decided to pass he wanted the protection of the rule so his dress wouldn’t be wrinkled. That in and of itself should have nullified the suspension if not the unnecessary roughness call.
It’s like the jackasses that wrote the code for the registers when I worked at KMart. They wrote this terrible shell program like 10 years ago and have since just been cramming in new code on top of it without making it fit properly and now the registers cut off every 20 minutes… or in this case, we get a flag every 5 minutes with another 5 minutes of discussion.
One other question
If Mendy takes a handoff from Ben, runs right with the possible intention of passing (he has the option to run, also, just like a QB), sees he will be hit, is out of the pocket then throws the ball out of bounds far enough so it’s not intentional grounding…then gets hit by the defender just as he makes the throwing attempt or split seconds after, is it a penalty? Should the defender have pulled up?
Oh my god, you've found the loophole!
Quick! Delete your post! John Harbaugh might find it and add it to his “Heave And Pray” passing offense!
Then Football Outsiders would have to come up with a statistic measuring an offense’s ability to draw penalties – almost like how one takes a charge in basketball.
Naturally we’d credit you as the founder of this offensive philosophy. We could call it the Air 21in69, but much like Bill Walsh getting credit over Sid Gillman, it’d probably end up being called the Air Harbaugh or something.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously I’m being dramatic, but seriously, that’s an excellent point, and you’re exactly right. That IS what the rules say, and a team could exploit that.
Not today or tomorrow, but down the line, if a passer and a runner are treated that drastically differently, why not just have the runner be the passer and vice versa.
Interesting…cuz aren’t Cam Newton and Tim Tebow doing this right now? Maybe the future of the league is in rotating running QBs like they do with RBs right now. Have the option be the basis of the offense. It really would make sense; combine the old school game with massive regulation (i.e. the new school game).
I think you’re onto something…lemme pitch to you my future NFL offensive philosophy sometime.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 16, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Solution
Put a button on the QBs chest. All a defensive player must do is slap the button, and a little white flag pops up from the top of the helmet that says “SACKED”….you know, like that gun Bugs Bunny would pull out that popped a flag that said “BANG!”……If you cant hit a QB, lets have this. I think its good for the game, and its what the fans want. Problem solved!
I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
I bet little colt slides next time!
If its brown flush it down. Screw goodell and if little colt plays in the next Steelers-browns game I hope another Steeler smacks the shit outta him. It’s still football I guess. All you whining bitches make me wanna puke. Go Steelers. Jeez
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