Only One AFC Power Won In Week 15 - The No. 1 Seed New England Patriots
The AFC North was humbled by the end of Monday night.
A mere 26 hours had passed since the Steelers got an opportunity to take the AFC North lead, but passed on it as recklessly as a Ben Roethlisberger aimed throw against San Francisco.
Arguing about which team played worse - Baltimore or Pittsburgh - is laughable, mostly, because New England is the team laughing loudest Tuesday.
The four AFC major contenders all had big games this weekend in terms of playoff positioning. Baltimore got drubbed by San Diego, Houston whipped by Carolina and with Pittsburgh's less-than-inspiring performance in a 20-3 loss at San Francisco, the Patriots - who traveled to Denver and dispatched of the upstart Broncos in impressive fashion - take the lead for the No. 1 overall seed.
If the playoffs ended today, Pittsburgh (5) would travel to Denver (4), and the Jets (6) would travel to Houston (3). New England (1) and Baltimore (2) would have a week off.
The No. 1 seed was Baltimore's for the taking, but San Diego quickly took that away. Pittsburgh managed to barely outscore the power outages (3-2) at Candlestick Park. The Patriots, however, surrendered some big plays to Denver early in Week 15, but maintained composure and blew the doors off the Broncos' red-hot machine. That was a team that won six games in a row; the Patriots rattled off 27 unanswered points from midway through the second quarter to the end of the game.
If they win out, they will again be the AFC's No. 1 seed.
No one was really talking about them after the Ravens loss. It was all about Pittsburgh. It's crazy, how things change when a team turns the ball over.
Pittsburgh racked up 389 yards of offense, impressive, considering the opponent. But three Roethlisberger interceptions and a fumble destroyed any significant scoring threat. If not for a Shaun Suisham miracle 52-yard field goal, it would have been a shut out.
Suisham returned to form later by missing a 48-yarder wide left.
There are still two games to go, and it appears the contenders representing the AFC North need the work. Baltimore has a home game against Cleveland in Week 16 before ending their season at Cincinnati. Baltimore is 3-4 on the road this year.
Pittsburgh will face St. Louis at home in Week 16, and travel to Cleveland, a team who had the ball inside Pittsburgh's 10-yard line down 7-3 in the fourth quarter in Week 14. Houston is at Indianapolis Thursday night, then host Tennessee to finish the year.
The Patriots are at home against Miami and Buffalo to end the year.
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I'm just going to rely on the fact that
We didn’t field our best team last night. With a healthier Ben, Harrison, and Pouncey we hopefully play a much better game.
All that being said, I say we sit Ben down for the Rams game. I really think we could still win it with Batch. If we win, then maybe Ben can start if we really think Cinci can beat Baltimore in the finale. Otherwise, we should be more worried about Ben being able to play better than last night in the POs.
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No doubt, Ben needs to sit next week and possibly the week after
high ankle sprains need rest and we need him healthier than he was last night.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
After last night, we need to get healthy
I was a big supporter of going for the 1 seed, but that isn’t happening. Let’s just go for the 5 and go to Denver in the Wild Card round.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
remember
Denver hasn’t locked up that 4th seed yet
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by stillergorillar on Dec 21, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
Ben, Woodley, Pouncey need to sit against the Rams.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Agree
IMHO, Ben doesn’t need to play again until the playoffs. That was just sad last night watching him try to hobble away from the 49ers pass rush. He needs a long rest and I don’t care if we go into the playoffs at 10-6, as long as #7 is healthy.
Patriots being #1 seed is sickening
People here have already started the celebrations. I hope the Dolphins beat them.
Reality check about our beloved Steelers:
As John Gruden mentioned last night the Steelers have to find out what kind of a road team they are. They will most likely be #5 seed (I don’t see the Bengals winning against the Ravens) and all their playoff games will be on road. Based on their road performance this year the playoffs don’t look promising.
The Steelers need a kicker. A NFL kicker has to be at least 85-90% on his FGs between 45-50 yards. Suisham even trying for 35 yards scares me. He made that 51 yarder but how many times he is gonna make those? In the playoffs, on the road, he is absolutely not reliable.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Amen on the kicker. Suisham should absolutely not be on this team. We’ve got to draft a guy though. I heard this off season that not a lot of kickers want to come to Pittsburgh.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
We've always known that though right?
Heinz field is a tough place for kickers
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you for saying that
I am tired of Suisham being unable to hit outside of 40. That 51 yarder was such an aberration that I was actually shocked it went in.
We should have drafted/signed one of the college kickers (Kai Forbath?!) this offseason. Sometimes the Steelers pay the price for loyalty, and that has been evident with Aaron Smith, Shaun Suisham, and others this season.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Dec 20, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
You know the Pats were the #1 seed last year too right? Don’t mean shizz.
Kicker? What’s that? Didn’t realize we had one.
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I mean I hate it when the Patriots are winning
Therefore them being #1 seed is not making me happy.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
But knowing that they have blown it as the number 1 seed so often should make you happy!
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
Oh, that will absolutely thrill me
I hope it happens again this year. That’s why I want the Jets to be # 6 seed.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
F that…I hate the Jets…I want the Steelers to be the team to beat the Pats ass.
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I hear you, man
But my hatred for the Patriots is so deep that I want them out of the playoffs as soon as possible. Also, I think the Jets have a better chance to beat them than the injured Steelers team.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Not too worried about the Patriots
I think they are 1 and done n the playoffs
Things can always be worse....
David Akers
I was sure pitsburgh was gonna make a move on this guy in the offseason and its to bad we didnt.
Don’t know his FG% in Heinz…but either way…I’d take him…right now!
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
Funny thing about Akers...
Due to the 49ers red-zone struggles this year, I think he needs something like 17 points to pass Jerry Rice’s single season scoring record.
Yeah, that Jerry Rice. He’s already set a record for kickers.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
He already passed Rice's record.
Huge part of 49r run this season is that they get the best starting position, and worst opponent starting position in the league. It is like a 10y differential. On each drive. A whole field worth of free offense each game.
You are right
He passed it last night. Must have been remembering from last week, or something. Either way, it’s sort of ridiculous.
And yes, our super-punter and really-good-kicker combo allow us to control the field position battle which, combined with our defense, is setting back offfensive football a decade, but DOES win games.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Pats # 1 Seed
New England will beat the ’Phins on Christmas Eve – Miami never does well, late in the season up at Gillette. The Patriots are very keen on keeping the home-field advantage throughout.
If the Steelers can get Roethlisberger healthy, they will be a very tough out in the AFC tourney.
by profootballfan on Dec 20, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Rest for the next 2 weeks...
I agree to rest Ben and others, but let’s plan on resting them for both remaining games. We are in as a playoff team and there is very little chance of us getting the 2nd seed also. So let’s plan for a 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th seed and get everyone healthy. Two weeks of rest should do most of our guys good at this point in the season. We can also get Batch/Dixon some playing time and really focus on the running game. Our O-line is thin and they don’t break down as much when we are running the ball as opposed to throwing it.
Play some backups for both Offense and Defense and get them some experience for the playoffs. Now is the time to heal. This is not the time to keep playing semi-injured guys just to win a game. The playoffs are another beast and we need to start preparing for them now.
by Bleeds_Black_N_Gold on Dec 20, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions
I am not sure we can win in Cleveland with Batch
Division games are unpredictable and given the Steelers proven track road record this year it won’t be an easy game.
Also, I would rather have a # 5 seed than a # 6 seed. As a # 6 seed the Steelers will have to beat Houston and then New England. At New England is not easy.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
We can’t be the 3rd or 4th seed unless we win the division. The division winners all get 1-4. Record doesn’t matter compared to a WC team.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'm for it now
We have a bunch of banged up players, and if the 2nd seed is out of reach (likely now) then I don’t care if we’re the 5th or 6th. The difference would be if we have our second game in Baltimore or NE. Personally, I’d rather go to NE for that game so if we wound up 10-6 with the 6th seed I’m ok with that even.
Last night
Worst. Officiating. Ever!
It sure seemed that the flag flew when convenient for the 49ers and stayed tightly in the waistband of the refs when not. Chop block? Where? Leaping…really? So many missed calls, questionnable calls, that it seemed like Goodell made a phone call and told them to make it good for Harbaugh.
I’m not discounting the three very bad interceptions or the fumble. Ben had a bad game. But the refs were really the 49ers 12th man last night.
What about the illegal touching call...
…that gave the Steelers a first down instead of third and about 33? That was weak too, right?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
It was illegal contact, actually
Certainly not a rare call. And they didn’t show a replay of it. Can’t tell ya whether it was justified.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
If they did I missed it
Fair call? It was on a rookie linebacker, so it wouldn’t surprise me.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
wait..nevermind. I was thinking of the play when the punt returner fumbled. I don’t even remember an “illegal touching” call
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
It was illegal contact.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Correct.
But it was called on a play where Ben was summarily sacked. That was pretty big call that went the Steelers way, you can’t complain that all of the calls went one way, and ignore something that negated third and mile.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
It may have been a big call, but the situation doesn’t matter if a penalty occurred. I’m not complaining about the officiating, and I personally hate the illegal contact rule, but it’s still a rule. Doesn’t matter if it was first and goal in a 40-0 game, it’s still a penalty.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
So is leaping.
Or whatever they called on the field goal (I think it was using another player to leap higher, FWIW).
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Yeah, can't argue with that call either
If the officials would simply explain the call in a way that doesn’t sound like kids playing sandlot football, they wouldn’t take so much abuse.
He said Timmons used another player to help him jump, can’t do that.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
The call was that he started more than a yard away from the ball and ran forward and jumped. I didn’t watch it closely enough to know if that’s what he did or not.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the penalty was a little ticky tack, but it should have been called on the first FG instead.
if they were
going to call it, then yes the first one should have been the call, as the rule involves going over the top of the defender. The second one was bs as he never went over the defender. Harbough has trained his center to stay low, he didn’t stand to block on either play. In fact all he did was fall slightly forward to try to pull the flag.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
That would be leverage.
Leaping is running up from behind and jumping. I think that was an absolutely correct call – problem with it is that it is not made that often in the pros. If Harbaugh bitched to have it made, well he is paid to win games, not friends.
as I said above
the rule says he has to go over the top of a defender, i.e. leaping someone, on the first one they showed Timmons did that. On the second he never went over the blocker, so I disagree.
Like you said Harbaugh is paid to try and get things like that called, he did a good job. Especially since the blocker never stood to block on either kick that they showed, just stayed down and fell forward a bit to make sure the player went over him.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not 100% sure of the rule(s) on this
But it seemed to be more than he took a running start and jumped, not that he jumped on top of someone (which was more the case in the first FG). Are they separate rules?
I do not think you have to land on somebody.
As far as I understand the rule, you can not take a running start and leap into the air, even if there is nobody in front of you. I also understand the safety justification of this rule.
That is the way
I read the rule, but either way the one that got the call he was only a yard off the ball (In my memory, could be off).
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
He was probably sacked because a WR didn’t get open because of that illegal contact.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
The flag was on the field well before he was sacked too
Looked like the official was on top of it. My memory’s a bit hazy though.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
That's not how I remember it.
But I suppose it’s possible. My recollection was that the play never had a chance.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
You can’t see the secondary on TV, so I’m not sure how you knew.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said...
My recollection of the play was that Ben was sacked almost immediately. It is possible that the contact had an effect on the play, but I thought at the time that could not have mattered a great deal.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
That's what happened on the fumble
Ben was going to Miller, but the backup linebacker had his hands all over him. No call. Aldon Smith is a beast, but he got away with an illegal hands to the face on two occasions.
If it was a closely contested game that came down to multiple egregious, atrocious calls…I’d probably be a little angry…but come on man…
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I'm not the one bitching about the officiating.
All I did was point out a big call that went the Steelers way, that I thought was kind of weak.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
So you’re not complaining about the officiating, but you went out of your way to log into a Steelers web site to…complain about the officiating?
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Except I'm not.
I specifically replied to a post about how the Steelers didn’t get a call all night, by pointing out a call they got. I’m not seeing the controversy.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Only one person mentioned calls...
…and everyone else shot him down.
You are the only other person who brought up a call.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I mentioned that call
In an effort to “shoot down” the argument that the 49ers got all the calls. Technically, I think we’re on the same side of the argument here.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
How do you know it was weak? They never showed the call. And it’s a common penalty.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
It’s impossible to blame officiating when you lose the turnover battle 4-0, especially when Pittsburgh outgained them by a considerable margin (389-287).
8-for-14 on third down
31-28 time of possession
Before looking at turnovers, with those three stats (yards, third downs, time of possession), if I didn’t watch the game I would say Pittsburgh won probably 95 percent of the time.
Add in the turnovers, I’d say they lost 95 percent of the time.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
This
Perfect calls last night, or even slanted calls toward us, wouldn’t have won us that game.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
what bugs me about calls
is when there seems to be a make-up call like the chop blocking. I didn’t think either one was a chop block: going low while the player is engaged. I think what the Ravens do is cheaper…eventhough it’s legal because the it’s the next guy over who blows your player out at the knees.
Also, I hate when early in the game whining by a coach results in in a call later in the game (Timmons…lords-a-leaping penalty)
agreed
niether was a chop block
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Lets not mirror the Harbaughs, or the Balt Beatdown posters...
…I heard enough whining last night as it was. The Refs didn’t cost us the game; their calls were crap against both teams (both called fouls, and missed fouls).
This game highlighted the inconsistency of foul calling; almost all of the supposed “chop blocks” against running backs were anything but textbook blocks that last year, earlier this year made the highlight reels.
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Agree
I thought the illegal contact was a lousy call, but there were bad calls to benefit both teams; in short, lousy officiating, which has been the story around the league all season long.
That said, I wanted to stop by, and just wish you guys well. I know last night was ugly, but we caught you guys at a lousy time for injuries and suspensions, and I wanted to say that, having gone to the game, I was really impressed with a lot of your fans. They were polite, knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and fun to talk to.
I went out of my way to talk to a lot of them, just cause a lot of Niner fans were being total jerks, and I was actually pretty embarrassed about it.
So, if you know Steeler fans who went to the game, and complained about our crowd, you have it from me that they have a legitimate complaint.
Steelers just need to get healthy, and make it to the post-season, and they can be lethal. Good luck, and will see you guys around!
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
We were walking the razor's edge last night
And therefore could not tolerate any one of the questionable calls. A mix of bad play calling, some overaggressive defenders (killed by the misdirection several times) and a few bad bounces – combined with our big injury issues gave us no margin for error.
I hated the calls, but they weren’t why we lost the game.
oh and the INSANE punting performance
the one opportunity to switch the field, AB ran 15 yards backwards and we had a block in the back too.
Exactly
And I thought we didn’t complain about officiating? Weren’t we bashing the other Harbaugh for that 24 hrs ago? This team plays the game on the field and last night they were outplayed. Simple as that.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
If you’ll notice…two people…that’s it…that doesn’t mean “we” as a whole
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
YES IT DOES FRANKWyT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You speak for Steeler Nation!!!!
Why do you not know this!?!?
On a serious note, after last night, I can now go back to rooting for the Steelers. And the Bengals, in week 17.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yards are leaving out starting field position.
Steelers had the worst average starting position in a decade. 49rs had very good starting position each drive. About 10 yards difference on each exchange. That pretty much covers the 100 yard difference in offense.
Andy Lee is awesome.
You sound Harbaugh esq.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Exactly
Nice to a Ravens fan acknowledge Harbaugh’s continuous complaints about the officials.
Bad calls did not cost the steelers this game. Period.
+1
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t stand it, how can anyone complain about a blatant hold that wasn’t called? I would do anything to have Mr. Stunna Shades/Puffy Coat as my coach. He is so cool.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I was pissed about this as well. I like Harbaugh sometimes for his fire and drive to win, but I cannot fault other fans for hating his guts.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I meant every word of that comment above. Complaining about holds is crap. And Tomlin doesn’t do that, which is why he is so well liked………and the fact that he wears sun glasses at night.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Oh
I thought you were being flippant. NVM.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Holding happens on every freaking snap. I don’t mind being upset about it on a play or 2, but I don’t need to see 20 shots of Jim holding his wrist and screaming or John talking about it at halftime.
Tomlin just sits in the cut, keeps his mouth shut. The Harbaughs could learn a thing or too from Omar.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
They could learn how to act from Omar.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
But the Harbaughs are "competitive"
I love how in this society being a freakin baby qualifies as being “competitive.” That’s why it’s so endearing to watch Brady scream at officials after someone sneezes on him.
Tomlin is very intense, but he’s focused. He’s not going to let the officials wreck that focus. If that’s the way the Harbaughs find success, then great, but at the same time, I’ve seen plenty of Ravens meltdowns, and I have a tough time believing it isn’t just a part of the culture of their coach.
I honestly think Harbaugh and Flacco are the only two things standing in your way of multiple Super Bowls. You may even win one this year despite those two.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
And freakin Jim...
…Walloped another head coach on the back after he beat him! I just shook my head when I saw that. I get that he’s excited and all that, but since no players in the NFL do this, the coaches really need to act like they’ve done it before.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly think Harbaugh and Flacco are the only two things standing in your way of multiple Super Bowls. You may even win one this year despite those two.
Ehhhh, how often do coaches and QB’s in their first 4 years together win Superbowls? People have made it out to be easier than it really is.
And trust me, if we win a Superbowl, much of it will be because of Joe.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
You're talkin Joe?
Seriously?
Man….. my morning is now complete. I had a Malor sighting. I feel like yelling at ya, just to get it out of my system. But I would hate to behave like, I have heard was done yesterday over at beatdown.
by steeler fever on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Ben + Tomlin = ?
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Championships
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
“years together”? Or "they are both rookies?
If you meant just “in their first four years together”
Tomlin- Roethlisberger
Shanahan-Elway
Parcells-Simms
Parcells-Hostetler
Johndon-Aikman
Seifert-Montana
Just to name a few
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
Cowher-Roethlisberger
How could you forget haha?
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Shula Griese
Ditka-McMahon
Gibbs Williams
Brady Belichick
Walsh-Montana
Damn…that was fun. Taking away your excuses is awesome.
That’s pretty much every great team…
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
If anyone had a brain and paid attention, they would realize that I was talking a first time head coach and rookie QB coming to a team in the same year. I am not 100% sure of each person on that list above by Mr. Derp was a first time head coach and rookie QB (some definitely aren’t), but obviously the subject matter of my original comment about Harbaugh and Flacco coming to the Ravens in the same season was highly misunderstood.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Brady and Belichick seemed to do fine
Ben and Cowher won one. Then Ben and Tomlin. Brees and Payton did it in their fourth year together. Rodgers and McCarthy did it in Rodgers third year as a starter, if that counts.
Hell, if anything, it seems the longer they’re together, the less likely it is!
I think Flacco can do enough to win a game, sure. I think Harbaugh wants him to be an elite QB, and wants to center the game plan around his passing skills. I just don’t see him as that kind of a quarterback.
Take this as a comparison, do you see Flacco being capable of doing what Rivers did Sunday night? He was the centerpiece of that offense. I don’t see Flacco being that kind of player. Great complimentary pieces around him, and he can be good, but it’s not a week-to-week kind of good.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, take away Rice....
…and where is Flacco and company?
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Speak of which
last night showed why the Steelers need to get Mendenhall more short passes; he has excellent hands, and is great in space.
He actually had one of the best games against the Niners any RB has had all season.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Lol…I didn’t feel like finding every one of them, and I know there are more…but every single one I typed was a Super Bowl won in the Coach/Qb’s first four years together.
That dude just throws shit around. Once, he told me that one day Joe will be elite…by his eighth or ninth year…you can’t really judge a qb before then…
I’m not making that up.
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
The guy's supporting his QB
I have no issue with that. I also haven’t watched even a third of the amount of Flacco’s snaps that he has.
I don’t think it’s impossible for Flacco to put together 16 games of solid – at worst – passing. I think they fail to do that because their game plan for him asks too much. They want him to be that QB so badly (Harbaugh’s emotion taking over his focus) they keep asking him to be that. He’s not. Doesn’t mean you can’t win with him though.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I understand. Supporting is cool…using ridiculous excuses to justify his mediocrity isn’t as much.
It’s not impossible. He could be good. But saying “you can’t judge him till his 8th or 9th year” or “Not many coaches and qbs win Super Bowls in their first four years together” to me..is lame…
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I am talking more so about the fact that Harbaugh and Joe came into this situation in the same year. Cowher was already very successful and had his style implanted when Ben got there. Tomlin (who is a fast moving, very well organized coach) had a great system and mentality when he came in, and Ben was already a veteran and Superbowl winning QB.
I was mainly getting at the fact that it would seem extremely tough for a rookie head coach and rookie QB to come in and 4 years down the road, having a high expectation that they would have a Superbowl by now.
But would you agree that they have exceeded the expectations you had for them prior the start of the 2008 season?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Fair points.
I wouldn’t agree though, because I think you’re feeling my expectations for them were much lower. Watch other mid-1st-round QBs, some either haven’t done/didn’t do anything or are still growing (JP Losman, Josh Freeman, Brady Quinn, Kyle Boller, Jason Campbell), some have been alright (Flacco, Tebow) and some are Aaron Rodgers (Aaron Rodgers).
Statistically speaking, odds are drafting a quarterback lower than 12 means you aren’t getting an elite level guy. But there are some chosen later than that who do alright.
Flacco is obviously not Rodgers, and I think as soon as Harbaugh accepts that and puts him into more of a position to succeed with his skill set, the power of that offense will open up.
He has a great arm, but it’snot accurate deep down the field. Work pattern crossing routes, improve his timing by keeping the same receivers around (good chance to do that now as opposed to the past) and teach him to stop being so mechanical.
Looks to me like he just thinks too much and I think part of that is because he can’t make that many decisions that quickly. Either cut him loose and start over, or readjust your offense to fit that.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
p.s.
Oh, and get a better QB coach. He’s regressed since Zorn. I know it sucks to bring in another coach for at least the third time in three years, but I think he was better overall last year.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, seemed like a dumb move.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Either cut him loose and start over, or readjust your offense to fit that.
Some here may think your first part is our best option, but I truly believe letting Joe go would set us back 10 years.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Yeah, agreed
I don’t think that’s a wise option, I’m just saying it because that’s the sense of urgency I think you should have. If you keep doing what you’re doing, you’ll keep getting the results you’re getting.
While I’m not in the Ravens locker room, and can’t speak fully to this, but I don’t like his body language. I don’t like him responding to trash-talkers like LaMarr Woodley. I sure as hell don’t like him complaining about Tebow’s media coverage two days before a huge road game.
I don’t think Joe has the maturity of a leader yet. I’d go on a rant about how Ray Lewis doesn’t allow anyone else to lead the team, but part of his problem is he’s too defensive. He doesn’t have thick enough skin.
For that, I blame Harbaugh. Again, another rant for another day.
Simply put, the reason he doesn’t have multiple rings on his finger right now isn’t because of his skills as a quarterback, it’s the lack of the intangible skills as a player and a leader. Add that in to the wrong kind of supporting cast, and you have a good team, not a great team.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
The thing about Joe is that we have seen glimpses of greatness, glimpses of an elite QB, and Steeler fans after this year cannot deny that. Now we just need to see if he can do it for 19-20 games instead of about 8 good ones and 8 “game manager” ones.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I'd even say this, at the risk of being destroyed by my Steelers brethren
I bet if you put Tomlin on the Ravens, and Harbaugh on the Steelers, we have two totally different teams.
Harbaugh’s thin skin allows his players (or at least his quarterback) to play with far too much emotion. He chooses to ride the highs and lows to their fullest extent.
Tomlin doesn’t have a radio show. He doesn’t give the media much insight. He does that because he wants to set the standard for the team, that winning is the only thing that matters. He’s blunt, direct and short. He isn’t grabbing reporters after games in Pittsburgh and telling them about what song the PA workers at Heinz Field were playing during a timeout.
In turn, Roethlisberger says the right things, and Joe says the wrong things. The Steelers don’t win because of talent alone, they win because of the culture the franchise has established. They don’t get too up in the good times (giving their head coach multiple gatorade baths after regular season wins) and don’t get too down in the down times (starting 2-2 and rattling off nine wins in 10 games).
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
That 'stache
is the solution, not the problem.
Or do you need reminding of Jake Plummer?
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jakeplummermustache.jpg
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Even better than the stache
(If that’s even possible) is the expression on his face.
The incredibly sleazy smile just sort of says “I’m gonna try and get your little sister drunk, and see if she wants to party”
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
that or "I drive a windowless van with the words “free candy” painted on the side"
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I see what you did there
It’s a pretty creepy ’stache.
Let’s stop, before we get even worse.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
In turn, Roethlisberger says the right things, and Joe says the wrong things. The Steelers don’t win because of talent alone, they win because of the culture the franchise has established. They don’t get too up in the good times (giving their head coach multiple gatorade baths after regular season wins) and don’t get too down in the down times (starting 2-2 and rattling off nine wins in 10 games).
Pittsburgh is the premier franchise of the NFL, I have never disagreed with statements like this. They do things the right way, and as a result, have the most Superbowls of any other team.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Then Harbaugh should emulate it...
…instead of trying to defy it for his own selfish reasons.
He doesn’t want to be bland, so he says stupid shit all the time. That has an impact on the discipline of your team.
You don’t see Rex Ryan winning much either. And he STILL won’t shut up. That affects your team!
Tomlin maintains a bigger picture approach, and his team follows suit. That’s why they don’t collapse often. If they beat the Ravens in Week 1, they wouldn’t lay an egg against Seattle in Week 2. That’s the difference right there.
Harbaugh’s ego is way bigger than his level of self-discipline, and that encourages his team to do the same.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
improve his timing by keeping the same receivers around
This is another thing some people have not realized as a reason for why Joe may be having an “off year” to those outside of the Ravens fan base. We have one pass catcher who has starting experience this year…..Anquan Boldin. All of our other players (Dickson, Pitta, Torrey, Williams, etc) are basically brand new to the NFL.
You look around the league at what has made some of these elite QB’s successful, they have the same freaking pass catchers each season. New Orleans, GB, SD, Indy, and even you guys. They have continuity in your pass catchers at this moment, and that is something we hope to build.
I knew it would hurt our offense somewhat to let go of Mason and Heap, because Joe had a good connection with, but their lack of physical abilities were holding back our offense. We wanted to get younger, faster, more athletic, and we did that by cutting the old weight and bringing in a Torrey Smith, letting Dickson and Pitta shine. Look at what those 3 guys are doing right now, think about how good they could all be 3 years from now if they just keep building that chemistry up with Joe.
This is basically a brand new offense, completely revamped, and honestly, Joe has played much better in my eyes than the stats indicate given what he is working with.
Sorry for the blabber on Joe Steeler fans, but it is actually enjoyable having a civil debate with Neal rather than explaining to some of the children here why Joe is not one of the worst QB’s in league history.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
+1
I agree. The Steelers have a more potent passing attack now, but it’s not incredibly successful over the course of the year. They’re a middle-of-the-pack passing team with a lot of young receivers in new roles.
Continuity and experience are very important. The Packers have had the same guys for years now. Same with the Saints. Those are elite passing offenses.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Having watched last night
And liking the Steelers a LOT when they play any team other than San Fran, I gotta say, the Steelers need to give Mendenhall some short passes.
He looked good last night against a lethal front 7, and when he got the ball in space, had speed, power, and elusiveness.
Short passes to him and Brown, and let them wiggle for 30 yards at a pickup.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Take this as a comparison, do you see Flacco being capable of doing what Rivers did Sunday night? He was the centerpiece of that offense. I don’t see Flacco being that kind of player.
I just think it is unfair to put this burden on him right now. Rivers has been in the league 4? more years than Joe. I have always gotten the sense that Steeler fans shit on Flacco so hard because they saw Ben have MAJOR success early in his career, and feel that if Flacco (who is similar somewhat to Ben coming in) can’t do what Ben did, he is a failure.
Flacco may not win a SB in his first 4-5 years, but I definitely think that come the point in his career that Ben and Rivers are in now, he could very well have one. Alot of the best QB’s in the league today were putting up just about the same numbers Joe has in his first 4 years.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
no man we LOVE Joe for obvious reasons!!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
You know damn well the reason people “shit on” him is because he is amazing 3 weeks out of the season, awful 5 weeks out of the season, and average the rest of the way.
Yet…we keep hearing that he is “elite”.
Don’t worry though, we are just a bunch of Chris Collinsworth’s or whoever else “don’t give you no respect”
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I don’t think it’s all about numbers, though. I’m not sure Ben had “major” success in any year from a statistical standpoint. Easily, 2007 was his best year as a quarterback, and his numbers haven’t gotten close to that since.
He didn’t win a playoff game in 2007, and won three of them in 2008. Two more in 2010. Flacco’s had playoff success too, but he doesn’t seem to elevate his game to the level of the situation.
Ben’s also not a prototypical quarterback. He makes plays when he has to. Against San Diego, the Ravens desperately needed Flacco to make a few plays and keep the offense on the field to give their defense a break. He then goes out and throws a bonehead pick. He shrunk to the level the rest of his team was at. As a QB, you’ve got to know you’re above the team. You have the most impact on the game. You need to keep your head when – and especially when – all those around you are losing theirs.
When the Ravens lose, Flacco played poorly. When they win, he played well. When the Steelers win, Ben played well. But he played even better when they lose (except last night).
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well said
I have said it all year, if we get to a SB or win a SB, it will be because of Flacco. I will not disagree with you that he is the number 1 factor in our success.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
My point is...
Flacco is more the reason when you lose than he’s the reason when you win. That should tell you something about his consistency.
Ben isn’t the reason the Steelers won two Super Bowls, but he’s sure as hell the biggest reason they continue to get there. A quarterback is judged more of his overall body of work than just game-to-game. Ben didn’t impact Super Bowl XLIII as much as Santonio Holmes did. But was it Ben or Santonio, throughout the playoffs, who got them there? Ben, without a doubt.
That’s leadership, in my opinion. It’s Ben running for 21 yards on 3rd-and-20 in the AFC Championship game despite a broken foot. You just don’t see Flacco making those kinds of plays (I mean from an impact standpoint as opposed to a physical one, not asking Flacco to rush for 20 yards on third and 20).
When the Steelers lose, it’s not usually because of Ben. Last night was, in my opinion, but that’s ok. The Ravens often lose because of Flacco. There are far fewer players who can lose you a game outside of the quarterback. As soon as Flacco is consistently not the reason they lose games, they will be a championship team.
Not sure if that makes sense…
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think the key word to throw into most of these comments is “yet.” Joe isn’t doing many of these things…..yet.
Many think Flacco hasn’t been a reason for our success the last 3 seasons and now this one. But look at our history before Joe, we were 10 times as more inconsistent as we are now. Four straight years in the playoffs, when before that we had only gone back to back years twice? It isn’t just a coincidence that this has happened, Flacco has been a major piece to this whole thing.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Well...
We shit on Flacco cuz he’s Baltimore’s quarterback. Like I care who it is. =)
Would you have the success you’ve had if Mark Sanchez was your quarterback? Hell no. Talk about someone who sucks…I wouldn’t trade Chris Kemoeatu for that guy.
It’s a win-now league, and while it’s certainly possible Flacco may eventually put it all together, you have to ask yourself how long that will take.
I don’t know the answer to that question, but you better believe you’ll have one part of it in the playoffs, and the other in his contract negotiation. Another thing he probably shouldn’t have publicly bitched about last year.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Question for you
What do you pay ,flacco this contract? I am not a huge fan of his but he is a decent nfl QB
Elite money? What will it take? Agree that you need him at this time. Not really worth top dollar but with his record, and the fact that you need him….what do you think?
So you were just being smug...
…about Tomlin, not sarcastic?
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
“a” blatant holding call? He was complaining about “a” call? LOL….I don’t know if you are trying to be “funny”, or you are just that retarded. If that is the only thing that you think is a reason for the entire planet (minus Ravens fans) thinking John Harbaugh is the whiniest bitch that has ever stood on a sideline in an NFL game, you are as blind as Cody’s tits are big.
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
2011 draft
I really hope we can get Hightower or Burfict in the first and then a solid G in the 2nd. I don’t think I will be pleased with much else.
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As you said before, I say draft a kicker in the 1st round
Janikowski is more important to the Raiders team after McFadden or Bush right now. A stud kicker makes a huge difference.
Okay, I was kidding about the 1st round part but we need to draft a kicker.
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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
True. I say a 5th round kicker.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
6th round QB
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
A good punter, a good kicker, and a strong defense
will keep you in most games.
Exhibit A: the 49ers this season. Despite their red-zone woes.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
agree
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee
by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
One more thought
I actually believe that Ben’s injury, although not making him 100%, was still not bad for him to play the game. The way his injury affected the Steelers was his inability to practice. It is hard for any player to take the field on Sunday and make plays without sufficient practice. Ben being a QB, practice is more important for him.
His throws were off and I think that’s because of lack of practice. We saw this same thing in 2008 when Ben would make ridiculous passes because of his lack of practice. Tomlin at that time forced him to practice at least 2 days otherwise he wouldn’t play.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
That’s why you don’t play a guy who doesn’t practice on Friday (or in this case Saturday). I don’t care what the team said, several media members said they never saw him practice. That means at the very least, he only practiced on a limited basis.
The Steelers put up one of their best defensive performances of the season, but Roethlisberger’s arrogance in assuming he’d be prepared – mentally AND physically – to play this game is what cost them.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
But look at the dilemma....
…Practice Batch, play Batch, and lose, with Ben claiming he’s ready to go – controversy
…Practice Batch, play Ben, and lose, with Ben claiming he’s ready to go – controversy
Was it arrogance? Against that defense, last night, Batch would have been as bad, if not worse.
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I have a tough time believing someone who practiced would have made the throws Ben made
Those weren’t great defensive plays, they were poorly timed routes and bad reads by the passer.
The bitch of it is (as I step off my soap box) he didn’t throw terribly all game. He just made those mistakes. There aren’t a lot of teams that got 400 yards against the 49ers this year. 8-for-14 on third down is great against anyone.
They really didn’t play as badly as we want to feel they did.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I hear ya...
…I felt those first two interceptions were Ben trying to force into coverage because he couldn’t roll out and make a play elsewhere. Frankly, Batch or Dixon probably would have been intercepted more, with the speed and coverage of their secondary last night. Admittedly, I don’t see the game with as experienced eyes as others, but what I saw last night did nothing to take away from SF’s defensive ranking, in my eyes.
That said, with a hobbled Ben, and Legs at center/Essex at guard, we still gained more than most – hate the loss, but we’re still in playoffs, and once they begin, anything can happen.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I have a tough time believing Batch does any better against that relentless pass rush though. Any pocket passer would have really struggled behind that piss poor offensive line play last night.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
My thought was that he overthrew a lot of balls because of the ankle.
And that he did better than Batch or Dixon could have done. He gave it his best shot.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Yes, but doesn't this highlight that we need a REAL backup QB...
…I know Lefty was hurt, but really, is he the answer also?
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
It might.
But the way the NFL is structured you can’t have everything. I think the Steelers would do better with Batch, than the Colts have done with whatever they’ve replaced Manning with this season. I think with where the o-line is at right now, Charlie would be lucky to get through a game.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
But the way the NFL is structured you can’t have everything.
You’re exactly right. Leftwich going on the IR really hurt this team, but they did not have the money to go sign another Leftwich. Not when you’re paying Woodley and Timmons before the year starts. They already restructured the contracts of all the veterans just to bring in replacements for injury.
Sometimes you just have to play with the risk of injury.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
yep, you can't be prepared for everything
At some point you just roll with what you got and you make the best of it.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
It's not uncommon for teams with stud QB's to essentially play without a back-up.
The Patriots and the Colts essentially have no contingency plan for their guys getting hurt. Batch was at least a starter at one point and knows the offense. He’s a pro.
I think if it’s early in the season that they are playing with the first string offensive line you go with Batch. He went 3-1 last year.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Batch didn’t go 3-1.
Dixon won in Week 1, and played half of Week 2 before getting hurt. Batch then played the rest of Week 2, and won in Week 3. We lost in Week 4.
So it was like:
Dixon: 1.5 – 0
Batch: 1.5 – 1
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I stand corrected.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
nope
Lefty went on IR before the season last year also
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
The point is, though...
Yes, Batch is not on this team if Leftwich doesn’t get hurt. Or Dixon isn’t on the team. Either way, our primary back-up isn’t here right now. We have a back-up, he’s on the IR. We’re in a very tough spot if Batch or Dixon have to start, which is a big part of the reason Ben played last night.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Hasn't Lefty been hurt twice...
…since 2008?
If Dixon is a no-go, then we need to draft someone, because I don’t believe Lefty has any more durability than Batch, and even Lefty is getting up there in years, isn’t he?
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Lefty’s injury was a freak accident this year. And the one last year was just because someone rolled on his plant leg, right? I don’t think either are durability issues.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but I see that as two data points making a line...
….and given his age, lack of play, and previous injuries, forming a trend we need to seriously address in the off season. I like Lefty, I think he’s the perfect type of backup QB we need; I’m just questioning whether its time to find another one instead.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not against drafting a QB this year, but I’d do it at the expense of Batch and Dixon, not Lefty.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
+1
I think you look for a project kind of guy a la Dixon and Brian St. Pierre. Work him over for a few years, prepare him to be the back-up.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I can agree with that.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
agree
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’d have been decently confident with starting Lefty yesterday.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Arrogance?
That is a bit much. You have no facts to support that.
His throws were off
because he could not put much pressure on his ankle. That is why the throws were almost always high. As a quarterback steps through the throws not only does he gain power from putting his front foot down, it also keeps the ball lower. Ever notice why throwing off your back foot tends to cause balls to float. The release point is usually higher and all arm.
I was there in person
a lot of the balls he threw were floating, especially the interceptions.
It was a gutsy effort, but Tomlin should have pulled him, and seen how Dixon did evading the pass rush.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Damn
NFL game rewind won’t let you watch the game yet.
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LOL...why do you want to watch it again?
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by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
There were a couple of things I wanted to rewatch and analyze
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Cuz it ended after midnight, and the rules are it can't go up until the day after the game ended
…or some BS like that. I’ve got a notebook and five plays to highlight…and we’re on a short week too, so I’m pretty freakin pissed off at them right now.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
I gotta wait until tomorrow? That sucks.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's the case
But I’m not sure, lemme know at some point if you see it’s up, I’ll do the same
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Where are this weeks BTSC power rankings?
Just curious to see if the over rated, paper champion, getting fat on the NFC West, not as good as their gaudy record, can’t beat an elite team, can’t block the fericious Steelers…. San Francisco 49ers are going to move up from last weeks 10 slot?
Earlier I asked if your vagina was still sore about someone’s opinion that wasn’t the same as yours. I got your answer now, thank you.
You “shocked the world” and “nobody thought you could do it, but you believed in yourself” and all the other cliche’s…. Good job…you “proved your point”….I guess…
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I'll bet you were just waiting all night to write that, huh?
Just sayin’…you didn’t exactly play the Steelers last night. I do recall Baltimore thumping you pretty good though.
Good luck in the playoffs. FYI – Brees and Rodgers are gonna be healthy. Enjoy!
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Let me try
Being at the game last night, I really enjoyed talking with a lot of the Steelers fans. They were polite, knowledgeable, and enthusiastic, even after the game got one-sided. I gained a lot of respect for them last night.
SF however, and I include myself among their fans, seem to have acquired a lot of bandwagon assholes, who don’t know how to handle success, be gracious in victory, or even act halfway decent in public.
SF is a good team, and we played a good game. We also played it against another good team that was experiencing the perfect storm of injuries and suspensions, and while I take nothing away from the Niners in their victory, if the Steelers get healthy, the rest of the league needs to be very concerned come January.
I respect you guys a lot, enjoy being a member of the BTSC community, and will be rooting for both teams down the stretch. Stay classy (meant sincerely), and hopefully we will learn to do the same.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's always like that though
The Steelers are probably the most hated team in the league. I enjoyed the pre-game conversations I had with (most of) the guys on Niners Nation. You have every right to feel confident about your team, and every right to enjoy the victory. Not your problem who’s not on the field…and I didn’t see Willis out there either.
Your contributions are respected and appreciated, you’re obviously welcome here any time!
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
But, I’ll be honest with you here sir. You sound EXACTLY like the Bengals fans, the Lions fans, the Browns fans (at the beginning of the year), pretty much every teams fans that are extremely shocked that their team is actually successful. Strangely enough….the weeks after the type of shit you are doing, weren’t as good. Just a thought…
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
You guys did a great job blocking Harrison. It’s almost as if he wasn’t even in the game.
In all seriousness, you won, why do you need to come over here and be a jerk? Does it make the win better for you?
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
And Woodley considering he played all of about a quarter and a half
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Give the 49ers some credit.......
Not asking for the Steeler Nation to concede anything…. 49ers were given zero chance of beating Pittsburgh on BTSC, and several of your “editorials” really threw them under the bus last week…… and BTW, we played without Patrick Willis and were down to their “5th” uninspiring WR…..
by HeartlessMike on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I have no problem saying the Niners dominated that game last night
They played exactly the way they wanted to play and we did nothing to make them change thier game plan. I thought the first team to 20 would win the game but sure I thought we’d be that team. I was wrong and I came away quite impressed with your squad, especially Aldon Smith. That guy is a beast and Max Starks probably slept very uncomfortably last night thinking about how badly he was beaten on almost every snap.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
"Dominated" is a strong word
They won the game, and rightfully won it. But the 49ers defense got splash plays, they didn’t flat-out prevent the Steelers from moving the ball. 389 yards is a lot for that defense to give up.
Definitely a great defense, but I don’t feel they “dominated” the game.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think they won all three phases of the game.
It was close in two of the three. But their players played better than ours.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
+1
Yeah, I’ll give ya that. My exception was with the word “dominated.”
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
9ers are a bend but don't break D
they play the kicking game, give up yards but not big chunks and wait for other team’s offenses to make mistakes. it’s not that surprising on the yards. No doubt though, they didn’t get the real stuff with Rothlesburger hobbling around on peg legs, but we’re tough to score on at home. at lambeau in january… yea, that could be a tough one for us.
Very true. Didn’t give up many big plays, and the Steelers are a big play offense. I think an underrated part of the game is how seldom Brown and Wallace got looks.
Cotchery had nine targets, Miller had five. Any time Brown and Wallace are targeted < 5 times, the Steelers probably aren’t making big plays.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
As someone already said below
I think the Niners plan was to pay field position and force us to go the length of the field. We moved the ball and racked up yards, but how many true scoring opportunities did we have? How many plays the entire game did we have in the red zone?
Maybe dominated isn’t the right word but I think San Fran did exactly what they wanted to do.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
49ers were given zero chance of beating Pittsburgh on BTSC, and several of your "editorials" really threw them under the bus last week
You didn’t read anything I wrote last week then. And why is “editorials” in quotes?
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
By “several editorials” he is talking about the power rankings..that’s it…his panties have been twisted ever since. He’s had one of those "it’s us against the world..nobody give us no respect…anybody can be beat….CAN’T WAIT’ attitudes since then. He felt disrespected by the media (our site) and this is the only way he could validate himself (his team).
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I think I was like 9 years old the last time I read a power rankings column. Who cares?
I’ve never understood comparing teams outside the structure of the league in which they play. It’s apples and oranges.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Just saying…that’s what he’s pissed about. Bean’s power rankings had the 9ers listed at number ten. I’ve seen him mention this in no less than 6 posts on our site and theirs. I don’t get it either. It’s as crazy to me as hating an announcer because I don’t think he kisses all the players on my team’s ass. (another jab at Malor lol) Just letting you know what his deal is…
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
Um
Unlike college football, “power rankings” don’t mean anything.
by pistil_stamen on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fat on NFC West?
We are 2:1 against the NFCW. Not very fattening. NFCW overall record is not that bad either..
I am NOT looking forward to Saturday in Seattle. Stupid scheduling – and that after a cross-country trip on Thanksgiving (which did not do any favors to Steelers, by the way, I think we could have won on a full week rest and practice).
Did anyone else think that leaving Big Ben in the game in the 4th Q ...
was beyond stupid. You have a hurt QB playing behind that line and you have another game in 5 days. I’m a big Tomlin supporter but that was inexcusable.
by datruth4life2.0 on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions
something tells me that Ben wasn't letting anyone take his helmet away
It’s a fine line between letting the leader of your team be a warrior (we weren’t complaining last week were we?) and protecting them from injury once the game is over, but I think ultimately they left it up to him and he wasn’t coming off the field.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
You're assuming he's gonna play next week
I highly doubt he will
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I posted a comment above saying he shouldn't play next week or probably the week after
Not sure how you got that assumption.
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by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
That’s actually true. I think Ben said he “didn’t want to give up his team” so he kept himself in. Tomlin needs to be more assertive with Ben.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
That's the arrogance part I was talking about
I’m glad he doesn’t want to give up his team, but it’s the wrong thought process when giving up his team = Ben sitting down 100 percent of the time. Sometimes giving up his team = staying in the game. I’m not sure he’ll ever see it that way, and it’s Tomlin’s responsibility to draw that line.
Hindsight is 20/20 though. Without that fumble, they still could have won. He made some nice throws too. He wasn’t a total loss.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Why didn't we have this conversation last week though?
We were winning that game and dominating the Browns in every aspect. Last week Ben was a warrior who we all worshiped because they won. This week he should have taken himself out of the game. The only difference was the outcome of the game.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think in-game is different
It’s easier to prepare the back-up to play during the week than it is to put him out there cold.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
I feel the same way.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Aldon Smith should send them a card.
For padding his rookie stats.
Damn, it turned out to be a nice pick. I was not sure at all during the draft day.
Tough break, fellas. It always sucks for your team to lose when they’re not 100% healthy. Unlike many Ravens fans, I have a ton of respect for Roethlisberger as a football player (his off-field crap aside). He must be one of the toughest players of our generation.
Obviously, I’m happy about your loss because it puts my Ravens in front, but I have to be honest—I wasn’t expecting it. I didn’t even watch the game because I was sure that Ben would lead the Steelers to a win. I’ll gladly take the loss, but it does suck that your guys are so banged up—I hate to see that as a fan of the game.
Thanks...
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Much appreesh
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
uza hata ass mofo….foo…
Just kidding. Thanks man. yeah..it sucks…
Given the situation…I actually stopped being mad about the game with about 9 minutes left to go…It’s all good. Every run our team has had, there have at least 3 stinkers like this…
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That's part of football
Gotta play with who you have, not who you don’t.
They really did well defensively. Without all the short field situations, and an absolutely phenomenal job from Andy Lee, they may have been able to keep it competitive through four quarters, but that fumble was the straw that broke their back.
Can’t ever complain about making the playoffs. Besides, you don’t know what will happen. New England was the 1 last year and got whipped in their first game. Baltimore was well in control against Pittsburgh last year, and still could have won that game in the end.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Andy Lee was amazing last night
I don’t think I’ve ever been more impressed by a punter in one game.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Take that guy away
Niners win at least three fewer games. I mean that honestly; he makes that big of a difference.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Worst time of the year to be banged up too
Hopefully, Carlos Dunlap will be back for that final game…
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
They should just sit Ben for the last two games. I understand there was alot on the line in this game, but I think it would be foolish to risk him for the rest of the season. Let’s face it, the Steelers aren’t going to beat many playoff teams without Ben.
They haven't beat many playoff teams with Ben
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
+7
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
It’s hard not to be pessimistic a day after a loss like that.
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by John Stephens on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
ugggh…. I’m not all for violence on others…But when I hear Skip Bayless say “Tim Tebow”, I want to catch the next flight to wherever they shoot the show, break through security, and kick him in the balls. Is that wrong?
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Its never wrong...
…to rid the world of an annoyance.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
And if a kick in the balls...
…prevents him from multiplying like a virus, all the better.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Depends on who and how
But kicking Bayless in the nuts? You have my permission.
Timmy got exposed by the Pats Sunday; I can’t wait for another real AFC team to do the same thing if the Donkeys make the playoffs.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
That does not stop Bayless at all. When Tebow does bad, it’s bad coaching, bad receivers, bad this, bad that, blah blah…It’s never him.
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
Well, maybe Harrison
can hit Tebow low this time. You know, somewhere uncomfortable. And claim that he was trying to AVOID hitting him in the head.
I want Tebow to throw four playoff INT’s. Preferably to Troy, Gay, Timmons, and Clark. You see, in that scenario, BAL loses to Cincinnatti, so the Steelers host the Broncos, so Ryan gets to play, cause the games not at Mile High.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
read my last line again
cause you totally missed my point.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
That's your problem...
…you listen to Skip Bayless
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Good luck down the road
Although the Niners won last night, the sensible fan base knows that neither team was 100% in that game. Although I’m sure it frustrated a lot of you, I admire Ben’s toughness to go out there and compete. I hope you guys can close the season out strong and Ben can get healthy for when it matters.
Again, good luck moving forward, it was fun talking with some of you this week.
Same here
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Fo sho tical…
I wasn’t frustrated much. Yes..at points in the game…but..I can take losing to a good team
If my team lost to Seattle, or Jacksonville….that would frustrate me…
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
+7
Maybe that’s why I’m not nearly as upset about this loss as I thought I’d be. SF is a good team, as much as it pains me to compliment ANYTHING remotely attributable to a Harbaugh. I take solace only knowing SF had a good team last year, just wasn’t coached well.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Last year
I think we were unaware of the concept of the forward pass.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Method
Glad to see our online community can be gracious, even if our fans last night left something to be desired….
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Good game
Good luck in the playoffs.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Dec 20, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
My take on the game
The first and foremost thing about this game is that the 49ers defense looks really good. They have a pass rush, they stop the run, they have good coverage skills, and their secondary can tackle. Nothing else was as important in this game as the 49ers defense. I usually think turnover differential will even out over time, but the turnovers are being forced by a great all-around defense, and that just might continue.
Ref calls were bad, but some also went against the 49ers. I don’t feel the refs had any effect on this game.
Ben exceeded my expectations, yet he still took the blame as a good leader will. I have a problem with Mike Wallace not reacting to balls in the air and fighting for position. Either he can’t judge a football trajectory, or he isn’t trying. I’ve seen it a little all season, but last night he left a lot of plays on the field. It also could be that Ben’s long throws just don’t have a consistant trajectory.
This game was lost on the O-line, and D-line. The 49ers won that battle on both sides of the ball.
by ballparkfranks on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions
Yea, take refs our of equation (for we are NOT Harbaughs)...
1) I also am disturbed by Wallace’s apparent dis-interest, inability to protect the ball, either by batting it away from interceptor, or even bothering to chase after one.
2) Farrior should never have been required to cover Davis; that long pass (3rd qtr?) where Davis crossed the flat, then simply out-ran Farrior and Smith hit him with bomb – that to me was turning point. Farrior has some left in tank, but only close up against the run – he has no spark left for speed moves.
Oline – same issue as every game – injuries, and the fill-in pieces not as good as originals.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
*out of equation
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
A good playcall on their part
That was set up to get Farrior (the backside LB) on Davis. Not ideal for the Steelers defense, but they got sucked into the stretch play the 49ers presented at the snap.
Gotta give ‘em credit. Perfect throw, great route, I’m not sure many linebackers could have defended that.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, it's not always our bad play design
The Niners called the perfect play at the perfect time. Give them credit.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
that entire
drive was nicely orchestrated and well executed
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by stillergorillar on Dec 20, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
This game was lost on the O-line, and D-line. The 49ers won that battle on both sides of the ball.
Amen, Amen, and again I say Amen!! If you swap the lines of both teams, we probably win 20-3. Their DL dominated our OL, especially against the pass. And our DL, while not totally overmatched, didn’t exactly disrupt their offense at all.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
I also completely disagree with sitting any players for any games, just because the game looks easy on paper. Next week, teams like Houston or New England, or Baltimore could lose. We need to take care of business, and still have the possibility of a bye week.
by ballparkfranks on Dec 20, 2011 10:38 AM EST reply actions
+1
Barring injuries, you play to win these games. Period. You don’t get used to losing.
St. Louis is a freakin disaster and I get that, but they’re still pros. Never EVER underestimate your opponent.
If Ben is unable to play, he shouldn’t play. I said last week he wouldn’t play, and I’d love to say today he won’t play Saturday, but I think the big lug just refuses to sit.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Tough game
My boycott ended somewhere near the end of the first quarter, I’m sad to say. Not enough will power. Now I kind of wish I hadn’t watched it. Excruciating experience. As Ed Bouchette tweeted: “Power outage tonight. Plus, the lights went out”
Couple of random observations :
1- That Niners defensilve line is awesome. So much more disruptive than ours. I’m sorry but I haven’t seen anyone on our line be as dominant as Justin Smith this year.
2- Sticking with the front, our backers were totally outplayed by San Fran’s who also were without their best player. Heck, even Willis’ backup played better than our 50M star-in-waiting ILB. 94 has got to pick it up, he’s overrunning plays, missing tackles and getting toasted in coverage.
3- Our Oline faced a tough test and scored a C minus. Passable, and probably the best this group has to offer. Talent needed desperately there.
4- Not impressed with the coaches performance. That clock management at the end of the first half was horrendous, pressure from the defense almost non-existent against a vulnerable SF protection and those two long FGs were a mistake. We got lucky on the first one, but really, you have to know that your odds are better of getting points by having a four-down territory between the 25 and the 40 yard lines.
Oh and God do I wish we’d signed Carlos Rogers and dumped BMac before the season. That 2.14M salary looks sooo good right now!
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
#94
Timmons has not been as stellar as I had expected him to be. Along with Farrior he cannot be trusted to cover a decent TE.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
+1
I thought Timmons was pretty dull last night. Overran a few tackles. Got taken out of a lot of plays. Definitely not a good game from him.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Make that a season
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
With Farrior, matching him up against a speedy TE is a mismatch and we should try and avoid that. Also, Farrior’s 35, and for his age is still pretty solid. Did well against the run, plays smart. Problem is, we should have a savvy young guy to replace his by now. We don’t.
Timmons on the other hand should be in his prime. And what does he bring? No sacks, almost no splash plays all year, missed tackles, blown coverages. He does set the edge well when he plays outside and will make the occasional big hit, but he just isn’t playing like the star he was supposed to be when we paid him 50M over 6 years. That contract may come back and haunt us down the road.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
I'll give Woodley a pass on this game...
…it takes time to get back into the rhythm of a game.
Clock management continues to be Tomlin’s achilles heel – this is the second or third game this season he’s blown it.
I was questioning last night why we played so far back off the receivers – that plays right into a west coast “dink n dunk” system/QB like A. Smith. I would have thought we would have pressed them at the line, and dared them to go deep.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Aldon Smith
I was absolutely stunned by this mans combination of speed and power, he made the Steelers O-line look like children. I am also totally confused as to why they kept letting roeth go back into the game around the 7 min mark of the 4th quarter he was getting abused and we had little to no chance to come back.
The Smiths
on the Niners D-line are lethal. Justin Smith has been excellent and under-rated for years. Playing next to him, Aldon gets a lot of opportunities.
Wanted to wish the Steelers good luck in the post-season. Get healthy, kick some ass, and let’s rematch in Indy.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Aldon Smith sucks
He’s so bad, I hope he doesn’t play the next time San Francisco and Pittsburgh are scheduled. I don’t want him to embarrass himself any further than he did last night…ahem…
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
We were thinking of packaging him and Willis for a trade, to help our interior line.
Any interest in shipping Legursky?
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe…I’d need both Smiths and probably a 5th in this draft for him though.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we will send you the Smiths
how about Morrissey?
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Like, the band?
Ehhh….I’ll just take the Smiths.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Goldson is a better safety
But I sort of wish the Niners would start Reggie Smith, their backup, and try to acquire another talented Smith via FA for the defensive side of the ball. Just to make our Smith situation truly ridiculous.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Legursky, Kemo,and Essex for those two…and straight up on the kickers…
Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom
I'll take Lee off your hands too
I just can’t deal with Sepulveda’s attitude anymore. Straight trade, my gift to you, Lott
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I like Wallace
But it’s noticeable that Sepulveda makes more of an effort to tackle ball carriers from the other team.
We like his heart. Deal. Lee’s frustrating though- he keeps not kicking it to the returner, so there’s no exciting returns. Pretty dull. He just pins the other team’s offense inside the 10.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
All is not lost!
I will say, to start, the refs DID make some bad calls. Now, I’m not blaming the loss on them, because that’s for the H-d-bag brothers to do, but they did. Happens in every game, but on a night where so much matters, you still notice it that much more.
I also think its HILARIOUS that whenever the H-d-bag brothers get a call against them, they screw up their faces to cry like the little babies they are.
Now, getting onto last night. Yes, we did not play well. Obviously. I commend Ben for going out there (like ballparkfranks said) and taking ownership. With a healthy Ben, this doesn’t happen. I still pick him as my QB regardless of what happens. Ben’s ankle will heal, maybe he splits time with Batch next week to give it a bit of a rest. But let’s see what happens. Again, a healthy Ben, and we win.
I also think one positive out of this (because you all know it’s true) is that the H-d-bag brothers will spend Christmas bragging about how they “own” the Steelers. Then when they both lose in their first game of the playoffs to awful teams they forgot to practice for, we’ll be the ones laughing. Or they lose to us, because we switch it up on them in a way the consultants didn’t expect. Also, while it’s true, both have beaten us this year, and it was depressing every time, it’s an abberation, and at the end of the day, it means nothing, because we’re still in the playoffs. We just have to want it more…and I think us losing now, will make us want it more then. No matter how many consultants they hire.
I think our D needed to get some interceptions last night, as the #1 issue with the game. I know, Ben’s interceptions are awful too, but our D-line was relatively healthy, and THEIR offense is NOT great. When your kicker is your leading scorer, it’s time to look at other options. A couple of turnovers in our favor would have made all the difference. I say this because their defense WAS so dominate, and Ben was hurt, and we needed our D to step up. 2nd biggest issue was also obviously our interceptions. PS how great was it that the names being called out on our o-line for the most positive things (minus one penalty) were Essex and Legursky? excellent:)
Have to say, I have a beef with the MNF announcers. TRUE, when our guys aren’t doing great, you don’t need to talk them up. But with all the blackouts (we get it, you want a new stadium…though did anyone else get visions of Buffalo Wild Wings commercials in their heads, of the little man in the room flipping a switch to change the game?) and extra time to talk, they really hated on the Steelers all night.
Again…a lot of it was deserved. But we would get a12 yard gain on the ground, and then a 1 yard loss on the ground…and it was “well you just can’t run against this team.” Really? Because I’m pretty sure our run game was the best thing we did last night, for the MOST part. Also pretty sure their run game wasn’t as great as the announcers were making it out to be. Again, small potatoes.
I’m also tired of guys hating on Farrior. Yes he’s “old,” stop scapegoating him. He’s typically a warrior out there, then he blows one assignment, as they ALL do out there, and it’s “he sucks.”
Lastly, remember guys: WE ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS. WE HAVE WON BEFORE AS A 6th SEED. No, we shouldn’t rest on our laurels, no we shouldn’t make excuses, and yes, it’s fine to gripe. But we WILL do this. Ben will get healthy, harrison will be back, and, oh yeah, the last 2 teams to lose to the 49ers in MNF football? Went on to win the Superbowl. We want it more!
We just know LeBeau is home right now, cooking up revenge for the 49ers, coming up with ways to dismantle them. In LeBeau we trust!
**one sidenote: Troy was on fire last night. He was EVERYWHERE. Looked great:) Clark also was a champ.
I thought Essex had a horrible game
look back at the sacks and pressures on Ben. He never made an adjustment to Smith’s stunts. Even Gruden said Smith would be in the HOF if this game went on much longer! That’s hardly an endorsement for Essux, the only thing positive I could say about him is he’s not Kemo. Legs did have a good game though.
The lack of turnovers being forced is now just a reality. We haven’t been able to force them all season, and I don’t see it happening at this point. No idea why that is.
Considering the Essex that we know
he had a good game.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Several of Smith's "wow" moments for me came against Starks
So Essex isn’t the only goat
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'll give you that - Starks had a bad game too
of course I can also say that Smith is a stud. This isn’t the first line he’s made look bad.
Both Smiths
When we run our nickel package, we move Justin to DT, and with the interior o-line problems PIT has had, he can wreak havoc. As a result, Aldon gets great opportunities coming off the edge, and we are excited about the future he has.
Also wanted to say: This is the first time I have seen Troy play in person. Dude is LUDICROUSLY fast. Amazing player, not that that’s news…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing him in pursuit live
…is a completely different experience than just about any other I’ve ever had as a spectator of sports. Fans outside Pittsburgh and all fans who haven’t seen him live do not fully understand how fast that man moves during a game.
It’s like he’s not even on the ground.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
"It's like he's not even on the ground"
Well, to be fair, he spends a lot of time flying through the air.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
The race for the North Crown was going to be decided in week 17, not week 15. I believed this. There were articles written here explaining that the Ravens’ shortcomings on sunday night meant nothing if the Steelers went out on MNF and lost as well. Im really glad people understood this and knew what adversity the Steelers faced. I dont worry about this team if and when they can shake this pesky injury bug thats plagued them all season. Week 17 will be down to the wire. I cant fault a 20 percent Roethlisberger for falling short, especially when a 100 percent Flacco went out and did much of the same. This division is still up for grabs but the improvement in health matters much more to us. I actually prefer when people discount the Steelers and I wouldnt wish for praise and a huge spotlight nor would I want any Steelers player complaining about it. Its always about “Us against the World”. Still proud of this Team and not disappointed with the result given the adversity they faced not only in this game but in all of the season.
I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
+7
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
H-d-bag brothers got admin QB
just sayin if they get a franchised I may be scared
they play to win not as BA or another stubborns
by Ben Balesverger on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions
two comments
In one of the final drives in the fourth quarter, there was a blatant late hit on Ben that was not called. I know there were probably many more, but I really noticed this one. These non-calls may wind up shortening his career by a couple years. Very disappointed in disparity of officiating.
Second comment, listening to Jaworski nearly brought my dinner up. He might as well shout out that he is rooting for the 9ers. Not that I particularly care, it is just that I’d like to not be nauseated by leaving the volume on on my TV. “They need to make a statement on this drive.” Berman as well, “This time it’s personal” and “welcome back.” Again, not that I care what these clowns think but still really they should try to sound objective.
Not sure there were many bright spots last night so I am looking forward to Bean’s bright spots article.
Meh
The 49ers are a great team this year. I hope the Steelers meet them again. Their own players admitted they knew Ben was stationed in the pocket. They knew they could get to him, the pocket was small and Ben couldnt scramble. Without the turnovers, this could have been a great game for more than just one team. The Steelers still did great things defensively and hammered the 9ers with the pass. They know a healthy Ben would have made this game more of a challenge. This told me lotst about the Steelers.
I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
Bean is soaking up the rays in sunny California
Maybe he spilled a margarita on his laptop or something, but I haven’t heard from him since last night.
I’m trying to get the defensive plays up as well as my notebook, but NFL Rewind is working on a different schedule. It’s not a short week or anything, I really don’t have to cram six days worth of writing into four or anything.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Run/pass?
With the top receiver in the league with after catch yards, how many games is the call on first down going to be Mendy for 1 yard?
by ibygeorge on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
They have to show they're willing to run
Not every play is called with the sole intention of gaining yards. When you run 60+ plays a game, and only score on three if you’re above average, sometimes you call plays to set up other plays.
You don’t see 1600 meter runners sprinting from the start of the race. Football is no different. You gotta feel it out a little bit, see if they’re guys are loose, see if your guys are ready to hit.
Film shows you a lot, but it doesn’t show you what your opponent is like that night. Sometimes you have to run the ball to see how they’ll react.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Balance is good. Redundancy is not. Every first down was a run, it was so obvious a child could have called it.
Just so we have the stats in front of us, here are the first down play calls
19 passes and 14 runs for the game. The runs averaged 4.69 yards per carry and the passes totalled 12 of 17 for 185. Now I will say that the runs were helped greatly by three rushes over 10 yards, because 6 of the 14 runs produced 1 yard or less.
In the first half, we called 8 rushes on first downs and 9 passes. The eight rushes produced 5.7 yards per carry and the passes resulted in 5 of 8 for 53 yards.
The only time that ran the ball on every first down was very early in the game. We called first down runs on the first five 1st downs. After that there first down play calls 19 to 9; pass to run.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
These stats
illustrate to me that Pittsburgh should have continued to run the football all night long. That wasn’t the same QB out there last night…you have to protect him, try to grind out yards and let your defense try to force a turnover or two. This was a 13-10 kind of game, and Pittsburgh was trying to make it a 35-24 game, which, considering the circumstances, is exactly what SF wanted them to do
by pistil_stamen on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I posted this in another thread but here are some more rushing stats for you
The final stat sheet on rushes said 19 for 84 but one of the rushes was the final offensive play when Ben fumbled and recovered (counted as a rush for some reason).
The run for most of the night was either feast or famine. We have four rushes that accounted for 53 those yards (all in the second half) and of the 18 rushes in question:
- 12 of them went for 3 yards or less (67%)
- 10 of them went for 2 yards or less (56%)
- 8 of them went for 1 yard or less (44%)
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I didn't like the runs...
You had to step up the passing game somehow. It was just really bland and it worked against us.
Or vary the run downs and directions. Some of the misdirection worked well, play with it. An end around to one of our fast receivers or some screens would have been nice too.
I just felt like we had some BA vanilla flavor offense out there last night.
Start of the 2nd half too
I gotta admit I missed most of the first half, so I didn’t see everything.
But towards the end at least I saw 5 first down runs in a row, the first one gained a first down and the rest were 0 yards more or less. We didn’t start passing late on first down until we were way down.
Short passes to Mendenhall
are incredibly effective.
Someone needs to force Arians to do this.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 20, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
After seeing Essux in pass pro
there’s really no choice but to give Ben at least 1 play where he won’t get hammered. They just kept running the same stunt on that side, and Essux NEVER made an adjustment to pick it up.
Ugly game, many problems
I definitely say rest everybody now. Two weeks rest is better than fighting for two weeks, only to get one weeks rest.
Give the 49ers credit, they did very well in stopping our passing game through most of the game. They made it impossible to protect Ben for more than 3 seconds also. They knew we’d go quick passing and they took it away. We weren’t able to throw deep and lost because of it.
I believe with a healthy Ben that game is a win. But now we need to just get him healthy.
Yep. Without our defense forcing turnovers our only hope is Ben’s arm.
"Kompromise, my friend, is the essence of diplomacy, and diplomacy is the kornerstone of love... sweeeeeet looooOOOve"
by CheekyMonkey on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Run game
The Steelers run game was pretty effective for the first 2 1/2 quarters. They may have gotten 1 or 2 yards on several carries, but they also popped several 7+ yard gains.
Baltimore, Houston, and San Fran
All good teams on the road, all losses. I still like this team, but something is missing. We’ve only beaten one of the top teams out of 4 on the schedule, and that was at home. I saw posts talking about how the 49ers had a weak schedule before last night – well look at who we’ve beaten this year. The Pats who have no defense, and the bengals mixed in with a ton of scrubs.
Hopefully we get healthy for the playoffs and start playing our best ball, but Woodley keeps pulling that hamstring and Pouncey is having a hard time staying on the field. Combine that with a total lack of impact plays from our defense (remember when we used to force turnovers?) and really our only hope is Ben getting healthy and tearing it up. Mendy isn’t getting any long runs and averages < 4YPC so we’ll only go as far as Ben and the WR’s can take us.
Also - is Ward still no the team?
Remember when the idea of him not catching a pass was unheard of, now it’s more of the norm. I really hope he retires after this year so the team doesn’t have to cut him.
yea his time does seem to be up
Now he seems to only get the ball when we run the designed swing pass to him just to say he was able to touch the ball.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 20, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think Ben doesn't even look at his way that much
There were couple of times last night when he was open and Ben was still waiting for either Brown or Wallace to get open.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
the passing game
Well now that we are a passing team (something I support) hope we can get Ben healthy or our playoffs will be short. That being said, if Ben was healthy I think opportunities to carve up the 9ers were there.
"Kompromise, my friend, is the essence of diplomacy, and diplomacy is the kornerstone of love... sweeeeeet looooOOOve"
Surprised we didn't see more of Weslye Saunders.
He’s been stepping up his game as of late, and as I was watching I kept waiting for his name to be called. Don’t recall a single pass attempt to him, even on a checkdown.
Those who can...do.
Those who can't... post on message boards using a screen name boasting the name of those who can.
by Craig Sager's Wardrobe on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions
injuries
I have not heard much of an injury status report yet. Woodley, Moore, Ben, Pouncey, Sanders.
Like we had any doubt that big bro helped out little bro:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2011/12/14/john-harbaugh-from-adversary-to-advance-scout-for-49ers/
My friend just sent me this!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM EST reply actions
Perhaps it's fitting, then, that...
…John’s team got its ass handed to it in prime time. Glad to see he’s busy scouting Pittsburgh and not San Diego.
Seriously though, It’s not like this doesn’t happen every week anyway. Teams do it all the time. Media hyped it a bit more than it warrants.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny seeing it in print because the fans here are like "no way Harbs does that"...LOLOL!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Naive…coaches are loyal to each other more than anything, because most of them are connected through just one coach or job.
Players are loyal to their college teams, and they’ll give out and take advice from guys they’ve played with.
Fans don’t like this, but we are nine million times more loyal to our teams than the players or the coaches are. Besides, you think Tomlin wouldn’t help coach Shurmur this weekend with things for Baltimore if he asked? Let’s say they go back a ways, and they chat once a week or so. They’re going to talk about it. That’s not any different, I’m sure, than what the Harbaughs did.
If John tipped Jim off to Roethlisberger’s injury, or told him he should send Aldon Smith after the quarterback, then I’d have a tough time believing Jim should have a job. This game wasn’t about scouting.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ha Ha Ha!!!
This game wasn’t about scouting.
No Shit…..Can u say cluster fuck:)
See I’m still maintaining my sense of humor and unfortunately the Suicide Watch has been cancelled in Baltimore….DAYUM….I really wanted to see if ratbirds could fly while leaping from atop tall buildings.
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
As much as it pains me to say
I think SF played one hell of a game.
Sit the injured out until January. Time heals all wounds.
Prepare to make our run with a healthy roster.

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