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5 Burning Question in the Wake of the Steelers Loss to San Francisco

The Steelers loss to the San Francisco 49ers was a bitter pill to swallow, perhaps even more bitter of a pill than the loss to Baltimore at Heinz Field because this game gave them a chance to atone for that last minute meltdown.

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But crisis breeds opportunity or at the very least a chance to ask 5 Burning Questions on the Steelers.

1. Reactions to the loss to the 49ers surprise me. Both immediately after the game and with the benefit of reflection my opinion is that Charlie Batch should have come in the game. However, much of Steelers Nation is defending Tomlin. Should Ben Roethlisberger have started, should Batch have relieved him, and if so when?

2. Bill Cowher described the Rooneys as "hands on, but they let you do your job." So, you ARE Art or Dan Rooney, what do you say to Mike Tomlin after a game like that?

3. In 2011 the Steelers play championship caliber football at home and lucky to be .500 football on the road. Pittsburgh has now all but certainly relegated themselves to Wild Card status. What evidence can you muster for or against the argument that the Steelers can become a good road team in two weeks time?

4. Monday Night was heaven for a self-professed Arians Agnostic. On the one hand Arians ended up throwing 44 times and rushing sixteen times against the NFL's number one rush defense....
....but on the other hand he did so on a night when injuries clearly limited his quarterback while his running back was running strong. Defend or critique Arians game planning or play calling vs. the 49ers.

5. With Mewelde Moore out with a sprained MCL, the Steelers are all but certain to activate John Clay from the practice squad, meaning someone must be cut to make room, even if it is a temporary move. However, the Steelers could lose whoever that person is. Who do you risk cutting?

Have at hit folks. We're liable to have a melody of opinions so please be mindful to maintain your best holiday cheer with those of whom you might disagree. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

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1. If you’re going to throw it 44 times, Batch starts to protect Ben.
2. “Arians is fired!”
3. There is no choice. It’s do or die time.
4. See 2.
5. Don’t activate him.

by Damnscot on Dec 23, 2011 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

5 Answers (sorta)

1. With the benefit of hindsight, its clear Batch should have started the game. But at the time, it made sense to allow Ben to play hurt, given the stakes.
2. “You’ve taken us to the Super Bowl twice in the last three years. I’m going to question your decision-making here. Happy Holidays!”
3. The first week is going to be against a very weak team, then its the Ravens, who always choke in the post-season, or the Patriots, whom we’ve already beaten. I’m not losing sleep yet. Especially since the Ravens could blow it week 17 in Cincinatti if we win out.
4. Who knows what he could have done with a healthy quarterback?
5. I don’t know.

by psychodrew on Dec 23, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

my own burning question

Why are the Steelers 11th in total yardage per game, but 22nd in points per game? Point in case, Steelers had almost 400 yards of offense monday night and only managed 3 points? Seems like the steelers have had this issue for some time now. They can move the ball well, but cant score.
Steelers score least amount of points per game of any team bound for the playoffs, yet rack up plenty of yardage, and have more offensive weapons than most teams in the league.

by blitzzburgh on Dec 23, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

lots of yards

but also lots of turnovers in the redzone that kill drives, and kill momentum. Points per game dont concern me unless they result in a loss.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 23, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

lack of

a solid kicker is a huge reason for this

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by stillergorillar on Dec 23, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Just ate $7 worth of Taco Bell for lunch-

So my anus feels much like your 5 questions…

TMI? Perhaps. You can blame that on Roger Godell. Why?

by crosby87 on Dec 23, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

1. Of course you start Ben if he can go and wants to go.....

…..but you take him out with 5 minutes to go and the game almost certainly lost.

2. You don’t tell Tomlin anything. You ask his thoughts. He brought a team playing with one hand tied behind its back into Candlestick and lost to a healthier team that didn’t have its best defender suspended, its best OL sidelined, and its QB gimping around. There’s a reason the Steelers have had 3 coaches in 43 years and the best NFL record in that span.

3. If the wild card game is in Denver, they can become a road winner in a hurry. Before Bronco fans can say Tebow Time, it’s be Deebo time, as he and Woodley meet at the QB.
And one road win in the playoffs can get you going.

4. He had a weak offensive line and a QB severely limited in his mobility and – it turned out – in accuracy. Somehow, he got 400 yards of offense against the NFC’s best defense. Sadly, Ben’s injuries led to interceptions and allowed the Niners to tee off on him and not worry about the bootlegs, scrambles, etc; I thought Arians and Ben did amazingly well in the playcalling. They simply did not have the horses, especially in the Red Zone.

5. It broke my heart to see Curtis Brown go on IR, because he has been an absolute beast on special teams and a growing presence in secondary coverage, but he got hurt against Cincy and will take the rest of the year off. You MUST have a third running back, and – for now – Clay is the man.

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by Homer J. on Dec 23, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

I like

this train of thought

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Dec 23, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 mostly

1) I am mixed on Ben having stay in when he was struggling. Between his thumb and his ankle, he is far from 100% and the team needs him healthy in the playoffs.
3) This team should beat Denver but we have so many injured and wounded players that I get nervous vs the Rams let alone a tough defensive team like Denver. I worry that we will run out of warm bodies at some point in time.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 23, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Did They Put Brown on IR?

I mean, they could have cut Kemoeatu and probably not even risked losing him….

by Hombre de Acero on Dec 23, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

can't

risk losing depth on the O line. With the way this seaosn has played out it would be too risky to not carry depth on O line, even if praying that depth never touches the field

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Dec 24, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

My Shot

1. Batch should have started, but I will add this for a “devil’s advocate”. By all rights, he shouldn’t have played in the Super Bowl either, injury speaking. I simply look at it as an example of Ben’s commitment to his team. He understood the gravity of that game, and gave everything he had. I just feel that taking a 5 seed was our most possible outcome, and I would rather face that with a healthy, rested team.
2. I say nothing. We couldn’t run with Essex at LG. We have been improved with Legursky at LG, not at C. If we have a running game, we take pressure of Ben. Take pressure of Ben, Ben doesn’t feel the need to force throws he is in no position to force. Had Harrison been playing, perhaps they are slightly less successful. Its not like we got dominated. So many factors came into play to produce that outcome. If Ben wins the game 52-3, we’re not questioning his participation in the game.
3. We need our guys healthy. PERIOD. We’re already locked in the tourney. We should play these games like preseason. Get these guys some rest, and they’ll remind us all, just how good of a road team we are. If no one rests, then no road wins.
4. Arians isn’t calling ALL of the plays. Keep that in mind. #2 SF is number one against the run. their Achilles heel is their pass defense. Reminds me of someone…
5. Arnaz Battle-hes been inactive most of the year. Need D.Cromartie Smith on active if we have to play in Denver, meaning Ryan Clark can’t participatie.

by SteelCityRoller on Dec 23, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

1. Take Ben out as soon as 49ers scored the TD instead of FG. Game was unwinnable at that point.
2. WTF? It’s not the end of the world, but why so sloppy when #1 seed is on the line?
3. This team has a shot to win any game it plays. No further argument needed.
4. Gimp QB throws 44 times, successful run game (for once) abandoned while game is close. Is defending Arians really an option?
5. Cromartie-Smith maybe.

by TorchM on Dec 23, 2011 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

The Right Moves Were Made

1. Should Ben Roethlisberger have started, should Batch have relieved him, and if so when?

With a shot at the number 1 seed you have to play your guy if he’s at all able. Ben was not even 60%, but even at that level he was good enough to win. It’s not like he was wild and making bad decisions. He made a few bad decisions and a few bad throws and it seemed like every single one of them were taken advantage of. Take away a few blown calls (the 49er punt fumble, the bad jumping penalty) and add a couple of catches that should’ve been made and the Steelers win that game.

2. “Tough loss. Stay bold.”

3. If they had turned the ball over 7 times instead of 14 times in their 4 defeats, three of those losses would be wins.

4. The game was winnable even with the mistakes.

by 13thieves on Dec 23, 2011 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

As Ray Lewis said, "I'll take a stab..."

1. Hindsight being 20/20 it looks like Batch probably should’ve started. You like to think that foresight being pretty good would’ve seen that, but not necessarily. If Ben looked like he could handle it in practice then they made the right call. The fact that Ben looked bad even in pregame warmups suggest that they probably made the decision to start him more on wishful thinking, but who knows? Maybe Batch had a terrible week of practice.

2. I’d ask “how are things going with the training staff?” Make sure there aren’t issues going on that Tomlin needs help dealing with, and give him an opportunity to voluntarily take the blame if necessary and move on.

3. I don’t know if I would call a Ravens win over Cincinnati a virtual certainty, but assuming we lose the division… Denver, Houston have bottom of the barrel QB’s that won’t get it done in the playoffs. NY and Baltimore are barely over that line when it comes to quarterbacking, Flacco is good enough in the regular season but chokes in the playoffs. NE hasn’t won a playoff game without tape of their opponents’ practices since the 90’s.

4. The offense did well aside from untimely mistakes, I would argue that Mendy ran well precisely because he wasn’t the focus of the offense (and defense). The game was decided by a couple bad throws, not Arians’ responsibility.

5. Battle definitely. He should’ve been cut instead of Thaddeus Gibson last time we were in this predicament.

by Steelgator on Dec 23, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

I'm gonna ride this scooter till the wheels fall off

Anyone still arguing that the lockout didn’t impede the traditional training regimen? Anyone think the lockout has nothing at all to do with all of the injuries throughout the league? Ask guys like Chris Cooley. Man hardly ever missed a game, done early. He was even quoted, saying he was “a victim of the lockout”. I blame the lockout for our offensive struggles. Our offense against Cincinatti had a few familiar names, but the plan was not the same. We started the year talking about Mike Wallace’s speed at starting receiver…Now we’re talking about Antonio Brown and Jericho Cotchery. If we knew then what we know now, perhaps we spend our limited preseason preparing more relative to our strengths, instead of making it up on the fly. I see no method to the madness anymore, its just alot of repeating what worked the last time against a different opponent. I don’t blame the coaches for the preparation, as long as they are learning as they make mistakes. Like making Rashard wait till the third quarter for his FIFTH carry. This pass first mentality allows the D’s to drop in coverage, this is why most of our run attempts go for 2-3 yrds. They just run forward, catching the back coming through the line. When we run first, LB’s and S’s start crowding the line, to push your YPC to 1-2. This is where Play action involving Wallace and Brown becomes far more effective. When you pass first and second down. No one is going to bite on a play fake on 3rd and long. I believe even if we don’t make the Super Bowl this year, we will be a stronger team for it. Guys like Ziggy Hood and Cam Heyward are seeing that it’s not always gonna go your way just because you think it should. That will pay big dividends in postseason play, if young guys start leading and playing like vets, because they’ve had to play without the vets; and without the benefit of a full preseason.

by SteelCityRoller on Dec 23, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

Missed the S.F game

Ben’s accuracy was way off from what I saw in the highlights, and the defense simply could not counter, or keep the game under control after 4 turnovers. He had all day to throw it seemed, but coverage was spot on and the niners seemed to know where the ball was going with guys swarming the defensive backfield. Again, I base this on highlights only.

But to your points – I agree totally. With all of them. Unfortunately, some of the veteran players simply won’t be able to compete with the young crew next year, I think. This is a team definitely reloading with lots of talent, but everybody in the league had the same lockout disadvantage. I have a feeling, a premonition, based on absolutely nothing but my gut, that the steelers will lose one of the three road playoff games. I hope I’m wrong, but it just doesn’t feel like a championship year.

by IronJake on Dec 24, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Crack aleck at it!,,

1. Please, the steelers had the opportunitY with a win to capture the #1 seed. They have not been a good road tem. So I defend this completely. The second guessing is misplaced.

2. Tough loss shut Ben down till the playoffs. Unless Baltimore loses!

3. The playoffs are different. It’s all about who’s hot. The Steelers are not. Their o line is poor. Period. I you can dress a pig up but in the end it’s stil a pig. they turned their back on running the ball. The team has many intangibles so that they can beat anyone. However their 4 losses come against teams with heavy olines and very stout defenses! If weather factors in it will be a one and done. Denver, jets Houston and rat birds are all built to beat them.

4. Inexplicable. BA laid an egg of epic proportions. 44 passes with limited touches by their backs. The left side of the line got no pass protection hel and the route running looked as if they were running 10 plus yards on almost every play. The niners were over pursuing the run, no reverse, not many counters or trick plays. It was a horrible offensive game plan. And no one is complaining. Amazing!

5 battle, McFadden, idoesnt matter.

I’m curious what they will do against the rams? What offensive game plan do they come at them with batch- run run pas?

Impose your will.

by ALDOG on Dec 23, 2011 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

Injured, put on IR I believe

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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 23, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Aww I missed out again on doing this "on time"

Anyways:

1. If the Ravens had beaten the Chargers, I would’ve shut Ben down and started Batch. But since the Chargers win briefly opened a window to a possible 1-seed for us, I have to say that I agree with giving Ben the start and a shot at pulling out what would’ve been a huge road win.

But with the way the Niners game got so ugly in the second half, I would’ve definitely pulled Ben and put in Batch. I would’ve made the move somewhere around the 50th time that Aldon Smith broke through and sacked/knocked Ben down.

2. I tell Tomlin that sometimes it’s just one of those nights. And while I know he doesn’t need me to tell him, I’ll also say to just put it in the rearview mirror and focus on getting through these final two weeks in whatever way he sees fit to prepare us for the playoffs.

3. It would be nice to have home field advantage, but if we really are a better and more deserving team than our opponent, we should be able to beat them in their house in the playoffs.

4. I would’ve liked to have seen more running plays to keep them honest. But things that feed off of the running game like play-action passes and pass plays out of a “heavy” set are much tougher to pull off when your QB’s mobility is hampered. So I don’t know – it was a tough night against a first-rate defensive front.

5. We already have our answer with Curtis Brown being put on IR. If I had to hazard a guess yesterday, I would’ve said Al Woods or Damon Cromartie-Smith.

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by barnerburner on Dec 24, 2011 4:03 AM EST reply actions  

Completely disagree with you regarding Roethlisberger. He should have/could have/ had to play that SF game.

1) Ben’s game to win or lose. Batch should come in only if it’s a blowout either way late. With two dog games following the SF game, and with Ben finishing the last game, gotta let him play.

2) after a game like what? A game on the west coast? With a gimpy but gutsy QB doing everything he can to will his team to a win? With an offensive coordinator that generally puts the “offensive” in offensive coordinator? And who is Art Rroney to say anything? He’s the US Ambassador to Ireland. Dan has the say now. And what should they say? Nothing. Let Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder intrude and be spotlight whores. Not our owner, kthanksverymuch.

3. So .500 ball on the road isn’t “good?” it may not be excellent, but it’s damn for sure “good.” Evidence they can improve on good: experience in the postseason, already “good” on the road, and Ben.
4. I was at the game, and the flow seemed to favor at least 10 more carries for Mendenhall. The Niners D was tough, and stood Mendy up a bunch, but the best throws came off Mendy running it a few times. I still think Arians is a necessary evil, seeing as how close Ben is to him and that Arians has a couple rings. Ugh.
5. I say we put Curtis Briwn on IR to make room. Oh….what? We did? How clairvoyant of me!

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by Fifty-Eight on Dec 24, 2011 6:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

My five

1. Hindsight is 20/20 but it was pretty obvious that Ben was in no condition to play against the 49ers. Not only did Ben’s participation not give the Steelers a better chance to win in this case, but it was humiliating to watch him continue to get pounded after the outcome had already been decided in the 4th quarter.

2. If I’m the Steelers GM, I respectfully ask my head coach what he thought was the upside in playing our hobbled $100 million QB who we desperately need to be ready for the playoffs.

3. The Steelers have a pretty good record so far but they’ve only played up to their potential in a few games. This inconsistency is quite likely to rear its ugly head again in playoff games on the road. But that’s why we MUST have a mobile Ben and a healthy OL come playoff time. That’s our only chance.

4. Arians failed to modify his typical game plan to fit the circumstances of this game. BA should have been calling nothing but quick passes and quick-hitting runs. The few drives we had, stalled or led to TOs because we kept trying to throw it deep.

5. This decision already has been made.

by Billy52 on Dec 24, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  


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