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Thoughts and Ramblings After a Dominating 27-0 Steelers Win over St. Louis in Week 16

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Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good morning.

My present to you, a super-long post-game notebook highlighting some great running, some poor run defense and a few things the Steelers need to take away from a 27-0 win over St. Louis.

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  • The difference between a good player and a great player is film study. If you don't believe that, just watch Troy Polamalu. On the first play of the game, he shadows WR Denario Alexander as if he's covering him in man. Polamalu simply sees it as an opportunity for a run blitz, and blows Steven Jackson up in the backfield.
  • Don't think Baltimore will prepare for a potential third game without seeing this. They love presnap motion.
  • The NFL loves its wide receivers. This week's proof: Brandon Lloyd shoving CB Ike Taylor down from behind when Taylor was in clear position for an interception. No flag.
  • Bold statement by Coach Tomlin to Marcus Gilbert. His level of "professionalism" isn't acceptable. The rookie apparently missed a meeting, so Tomlin sat his butt down. Good to hear. It's Week 16, Marcus, you aren't preparing for the Orange Bowl in five weeks. It's a short week.
  • Raise your hand if you thought QB Charlie Batch was going to fumble the ball on the first of his two Roethlisbergean escapes from the pocket.
  • Put your hand down, Max Starks.
  • Just an excellent all-around game from Mendenhall. Great balance and patience on his runs, he looked like he really trusted his blockers. He ran behind them and behind his pads all game. Granted, he's not facing the best of run defenses, but he made guys miss, he went through guys and he fell forward. He also protected the ball. What more do you want?
  • By the end of the game, Batch was trying to get the ball to Ward as much as possible in an effort to get him his 1,000th catch. It's too bad he didn't look his way on the first drive. A nice legal pick play on 3rd-and-2 inside the 5-yard line, Ward was wide open. Batch instead goes to the average-strength Wallace, who's gotta be tougher on balls in the air.
  • Was Legursky exploring every tunnel at Heinz Field?
  • DE Ziggy Hood was getting whipped by Harvey Dahl for the bulk of this game. Gotta give some credit to St. Louis, their 100+ yards rushing wasn't a fluke. They often lined up three tight ends, and had them block up front while releasing their guards to reach the linebackers, at which they were successful. Steven Jackson's one of the best in the game, and he found seams all over the field. Doesn't hurt he's the size of all of the Steelers linebackers, either.
  • On the other hand, Rams offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels took a pretty weak offense and turned it into a horrendous offense this season. Is there anyone in the league more toxic than him? He peaked when he all but dumped a Gatorade bucket over himself after beating the Patriots in Week 5 of 2009. Since then, he's been involved in exactly seven wins in 38 games, got busted for filming the practices of the 49ers before their game in London in 2010, traded away all the talent on the Broncos (including a botched trade attempt of Jay Cutler, which led to the actual trade of Jay Cutler, and used draft picks acquired in that trade to move back into the first round to select Tim Tebow, after he threw his full support behind Kyle Orton) and took the reigning Offensive Rookie of the Year, QB Sam Bradford, and turned him into one of the worst passers in the league. You have to intentionally sabotage your career to achieve that level of failure. How could any franchise trust anything this guy does?
  • The Rams would have to try to have a worse season than they have in 2011, but what a great move in picking up Brandon Lloyd. He gave Ike Taylor fits all game. A very even, heady receiver. And for a fifth-round pick? Crazy. The best quarterback he's ever had getting him the ball is Kyle Orton. And I'm talking the Bears version of Kyle Orton.
  • The Rams should involve P Donnie Jones in their offense a bit more. He moved pretty well on the fake punt. Great recognition by Will Allen, who took the primary receiver out of the play immediately, forcing Jones to run 29 yards only to be stuffed by Antonio Brown a yard shy of the first down.
  • Speaking of Brown, the move he put on DE Chris Long on the end-around is worthy of the team's highlight reel. Long could only vainly attempt to trip Brown as he motored past him.
  • Probably doesn't need to be said, but that pick isn't on Batch. Both he and Brown slipped on the play, Batch recovered to throw the ball right before Brown slipped. It happens.
  • It did give Brown a chance to achieve the Fun Stat of the Game: Tackles: Hampton, 2; Brown, 2.
  • With 10:22 left in the second quarter, Denario Alexander cuts FS Ryan Clark's legs out from under him, and Clark goes ballistic. It was one of those legal-but-dirty kinds of blocks, and unfortunately, with the league regulating the game we used to know, we'll see more and more of this.
  • Don't believe me? Ask Adrian Peterson today whether he would have rather been hit in the head. He'll be lucky to be ready to play by training camp in July.
  • The hold on Timmons was bunk, but it looks like it was meant to be called on Taylor, who was grabbing onto Alexander within five yards of the line of scrimmage. Taylor was doing that all game, not the most disciplined game he's ever had.
  • Don't tell me James Harrison is a dirty player. If he was, Kellen Clemens would spend Christmas Day drooling in a hospital bed. He had as clear a shot at a quarterback as he's ever had, but he held up.
  • Mendenhall's 52-yard run was perhaps the Steelers finest play this year, from a technical standpoint. RG Ramon Foster and TE Heath Miller pull from the back side of the play, Foster seals his guy off and Miller makes the seam by blowing up his guy to the outside. Scott cuts off the backside pursuit from two defenders. Kemoeatu and Essex get big blocks up front to get Mendenhall some room at the second level. Starks is four yards down field locking up a linebacker, and Cotchery blasts a defensive back into Starks's guy, creating a cut-back lane for Mendenhall, who's already eight yards down field. Brown may have held CB Rod Hood a little bit, but he took him out of the play at that spot on the field. Wallace gets a big block down field.
  • That's nine big blocks on one run, meaning Mendenhall and Batch are the only two who didn't block anyone. Just phenomenal football.
  • I don't want to crown him or anything yet, but that was an excellent run by Clay. St. Louis did a good job of stalling the Steelers' push to the right side, and Kemoeatu didn't really have a chance to clear room off his lead block (pulling from the left). Clay sees this, bounces it outside, but he doesn't go out too wide. Nice run for the rookie.
  • Not sure Mendenhall was particularly thrilled to see Clay score. Would have been his, but he was still panting on the sideline.
  • Another great example of preparation from Polamalu. He recognizes the formation, and knows exactly where Clemens is throwing. He times it perfectly, and almost makes a sensational play. Then again, considering Clemens threw 24 passes, and 12 of them were to Lloyd, maybe it wasn't exactly rocket surgery to figure it out.
  • If Harrison's throwing of LT Adam Goldberg would have knocked Clemens to the ground, would Harrison get the sack, or Goldberg? Can you get fined for hurling an opposing player at the quarterback? What would have happened if Goldberg hit Clemens helmet-to-helmet. I'll be here all night, please tip your waitress.
  • That play was particularly enjoyable for me. I played against Goldberg in high school. His team upset mine at the Metrodome for the conference championship when we were juniors. I'm still bitter.
  • Anyway...just sheer power from Harrison. Goldberg is listed at 6-foot-7, 305 pounds. Harrison moved him like he wasn't even there.
  • I don't like Rod Hood. That's usually my compliment for an opposing player. He played a solid game against Wallace and Brown. Great read on the bubble screen to Brown, one of only three catches on the day.
  • Who's worried about Batch's arm strength again? If not for a great play by rookie S Darian Stewart, that throw to Miller on 3rd-and-long would have been easily his highlight of the day.
  • Harrison destroys TE Billy Bajema, then destroys Clemens. Timmons is in the backfield again as well. And Hood? Nowhere near the ball. I wasn't aware Harvey Dahl was one of the best pass protectors in football.
  • A bit later, the Steelers put four defenders at the line of scrimmage, and Hood isn't one of them. From left to right, it's Worilds, Heyward, McLendon and Keisel. While it's somewhat frustrating Worilds is the last player on the field to react to the snap, Heyward shows great technique, especially how he uses his hands. RG Bryan Mattison can't lock onto him, and Heyward reads Clemens stepping up in the pocket. Heyward easily moves past Mattison and takes Clemens down for a 1-yard gain. Great play by the rookie.
  • This starts a string of plays that should concern the Steelers heading into the playoffs. The Rams found a way to seal off the backside pursuit of Pittsburgh's defense. They often lined up unbalanced and with multiple tight ends. Those tight ends were able to seal off the backside defending linemen, leaving the play side blocked essentially one-on-one. The Steelers failed to win those battles, and had their linebackers often caught in the sea of bodies in the middle of the field.
  • One play later, Worilds gets hooked again, this time by Bajema, the same guy Harrison lit up earlier. Jackson goes right past him for a 13-yard gain. Also of note, Hood is not in the game. Heyward replaced him at defensive end, and McLendon is in again for Hampton. McLendon gets double-teamed, and pushed inside. Timmons misreads the play and gets caught in the wash in the middle of the field. Nothing more than a footrace between Jackson and Clark, who takes him down after 13 yards.
  • How's the hammy, Woodley? Worilds lack of run support is getting old.
  • Farrior and Timmons now both misread the play and get caught in the wash. Timmons doesn't push ahead as far as Farrior did, and is able to make the play, but these are very simple technical issues that need to be fixed. Come playoff time, when the Steelers are playing better rushing teams, they will get abused.
  • Glad to see Hood dancing after a sack that was the result of the right guard simply not blocking him. There was some confusion before the snap, and the guard went after Hampton, who was to Hood's right. Hood was untouched. Get your dance on, Ziggy. Glad you're happy with your performance.
  • Meanwhile, Harrison steamrolled Bajema again. That McDaniels sure knows what he's doing.
  • Hood is still proud of himself on the next play, gets off the snap late, and is owned by Mattison. Worilds fails to recognize the play at the snap, and helps the offense by taking a step backward when Jackson aims right at him. By the time Worilds recovers, he's being blasted five yards off the ball. Keenan Lewis misses an open field tackle and Jackson goes relatively untouched for a 15-yard gain on 3rd-and-14.
  • Perhaps this play illustrates things better. Rams have the ball 1st-and-10 from their 18-yard line. Not coincidentally, Hood is not in, and the Steelers put Heyward, Hampton and Keisel down, left to right. Worilds and Harrison are pinching in the ends. It's a handoff to Jackson, and he runs into a wall of Steelers defenders for a two yard gain.
  • At the end of the play, Hampton, Timmons and Farrior are lying on Jackson on the ground. Four yards down field, Heyward and Worilds are shoving tight ends post-whistle (Worilds could have picked up a penalty for the quasi-slap he threw at the guy who moved him well out of the play). The vets are making the plays, the younger guys are getting whipped.
  • 2nd-and-9, Worilds beaten again one-on-one by Bajema.
  • Finally, Troy stops the bleeding with a perfectly timed blitz. He's held (not sure how that could possibly have been missed, except that Polamalu moves faster than the human eye can track), but still gets to Jackson and ends the play.
  • You know why Troy makes that play? Because he knows they're running at Worilds again.
  • Josh Brown is still haunted by Super Bowl XL. You know, the guy who missed two field goals? Oh, right, the officials gave the game to the Steelers.
  • All Fantasy players in championship games who had Mike Wallace are probably really ticked this morning. He flat-out burned Josh Gordy, just came a yard short. Second-best play of the game, though, because it unleashed the passion the team lacked until that point. Great run by Mendenhall for the score.
  • I'm at a loss for words on how Polamalu only has one interception this year. I swear he'd have the league record for picks if he caught every one he should have had.
  • Goldberg is faced with an overload blitz from Timmons and Harrison, so he elects to block neither of them. Clemens blown up again.
  • Harrison beats Goldberg again, gets held and nearly forces a strip-sack. A phenomenal all-around game from Harrison. Welcome back, Deebo.
  • Batch doesn't seem to be looking at anyone but Ward. Would have been really nice for him to get 1,000 at home. I'm sure Cleveland will be really excited when he does it next week.
  • Great lead block from Scott, this one's over.

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Merry Christmas to you and yours, Neal....

Great stuff.

It is great to see Deebo peaking now. That’s key. And you’re absolutely right about the need for Woodley to get better – and soon. Worilds seems to be a one-trick pony with the outside rush – and no run support.

It is clear that this team has bought into Tomlin’s “Next Man Up” philosophy that “the standard is the standard.” He was able to slap his rookie OL upside the head for being late to a team meeting and have Essex, Kemo (!), et al pick up the slack. That was no small thing. 80% of coaching doesn’t take place during games, and Tomlin is at his absolute best when fans and journalists aren’t watching. He is a great leader of men and a great coach. The standard IS the standard, and Mike Tomlin sets the standard.

Again, Neal, thanks for all you do at BTSC, and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. May 2012 be a year of health, happiness, and prosperity for you and your family.

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by Homer J. on Dec 25, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you

And a hearty merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

I’m reading he flat-out missed the meeting. I don’t know his reasoning or what happened, so I don’t want to paint him too negatively, but for a game in which the line is already down one starter, to not be at a meeting is very poor, in my opinion. Then, Legursky goes down like 10 plays in. Just a patch-work offensive line…but hats off to Trai Essex and Jonathan Scott. Kemoeatu as well. Goes to show the value of a veteran. Essex has never played center on this team, and he did fairly well, all things considered. Maybe it’s yet another variation…

by Neal Coolong on Dec 25, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas

Neal, great work. Awesome mix of analysis and educated opinion. I was noticing Worilds all game long.

Now that Harrison is back and looking awesome, we definitely need Woodley to get right.

I’ve been saying for weeks that Heyward is way ahead of where Ziggy was in his rookie year. After you could certainly argue that he’s ahead of where Ziggy is NOW.

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by footballandbrackets on Dec 25, 2011 10:29 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Awesome work and merry Christmas Neal

I can’t wait to get Woodley back. Worilds is a good pass rusher but his run support is none. When we get Wood back I think we will see our run D go from good to great because teams won’t be able to just run at Worilds all game.

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by seton hall and steelers on Dec 25, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Let's be fair...

This defense has given up, since the bye, 9, 7, 3, 20 and 0 points. I’d say they’re great now, but need to shore up the run support before I’d call them elite.

However, this defense can make some noise in the post-season. It’s just falling back into the Takeaway Allergy phase again. Still got some work to do…but I’m optimistic.

And we may have an extra week to work on it. You gotta like Cincy’s chances right now. I know ours against Cleveland.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 25, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Rocket Surgery eh?

That’s a pretty cool field of work… I wanna get into that.

Good points. And yeah Brown was a stud, can we just let him play CB too? Brother makes a couple great tackles and catches. I can’t believe he had over 2000 all purpose yards this year, that’s insane. Granted it includes kicks but Sanders took the kicks for a couple weeks too.

by Mechem on Dec 25, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Loved that phrase

Of the “is a bear catholic?” variety.

by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Dec 25, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Reminds me of Jerome Bettis,another devotee of the mixed metaphor, who once said (if I recall correctly): We can see the pot of gold at the end of the tunnel. Or maybe it was the light at the end of the rainbow. I forget. And I find this in my inconsistently maintained directory of great sports quotes:

“It’s a chess match out there, and he’s always ahead of the eight ball.” (Larry Foote on Dick Lebeau)

Also reminds me of another one, I think it was Bill Cowher (although wheter he actually said it or was just misquoted by a sports writer, I don’t know):We’re walking in untreaded waters here.

Merry Christmas.

by LeBeau-a-Constrictor on Dec 25, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

+33

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by Fifty-Eight on Dec 26, 2011 2:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Happens. Wont deter him from that technique. If its legal, its not stopping. Its effective.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 25, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

delicious shadenfreude and justice mixed into one tasty morsel

by klompus on Dec 25, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re calling them bruised ribs…I’ve broken a rib before, what he’s describing are broken ribs. It’s excruciatingly painful. I can’t even imagine the sheer insanity of someone being able to play football with that, particularly when the guy across from you is going to do nothing but hit you in the chest the entire game.

I really can’t see him playing next week.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 25, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a pleasing development

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."

by showtime on Dec 25, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh-so-pleasing

Now, maybe we can get the Ravens refs to bruise or break their wrists to keep them from aiding-and-abetting the Raven passing game with long pass interference calls…

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by Fifty-Eight on Dec 26, 2011 2:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cracked ribs might give the same level of joy

Cracked ribs don’t always show up on the x-rays either which just adds to the fun.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 26, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Did we lose the game?

Reading this post, I was getting down because it seemed like we were beaten badly in this game. Then I remembered we won 27-0. I thought about it a bit. Then I realized you were just saying what I was feeling about the way Jackson ran all over us. Thanks for laying it out there. I was frustrated with the run defense the whole game. I also knew that Jackson would run hard. He wanted to play for Pittsburgh when he came out of college. He was super motivated for this game.

On Hood: I love the guy. He is a hard worker. However, I am not surprised that Heyward is maybe ahead of him in some areas already. Why? Because Hood has had more to learn. He didn’t play the same style of defensive end in college that we are asking him to play now. He definitely didn’t use his hands as well in college. He has come a long way, but he has more to learn. Heyward came from a similar system at Ohio, so his learning curve will be shorter. I like him a lot too. I think Hood will be fine eventually. He will keep working. Aaron Smith wasn’t great right away either.

On Wourilds: I still think he has come a long way from where he was when he came out of college. If he works as hard this offseason as he did last offseason, he should be fine. I like his potential, but I agree that he isn’t there yet.

Merry Christmas everyone!

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by ekl on Dec 25, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Merry Christmas all

Native Pittsburgher living in DC. I am new to this site and thoroughly enjoy it.

Keep up the good work.

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by The Herndon Kid on Dec 25, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Fairfax back at ya

There are a ton of us dahn here. Merry Christmas to you.

by Steelzombie on Dec 26, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Prince William county Steeler fan...

…wishing you the same, and welcome to BTSC

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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 26, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas Neal...

…and nice write-up. I enjoy these notes, because it allows me to gauge how much of the game I’m truly seeing versus seeing as a spectator.

Merry Christmas to all at the BTSC family – all your hard work shows in the quality that you produce, day after day.

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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 25, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Great Game!

Batch as Ben=Great Job:) Wish Wallace had hauled in that TD to give Charlie a TD pass

I have to defend the D-line a little bit against Jackson. True, they should be able to stop anyone. But Jackson is like Bus. Even the best lines will have trouble. Holding him to no TD’s was good in my book.

I hope Ward gets his last 5 in the last game…but I also hope they aren’t just “gimme” passes…at least, 1 or 2 should be First Down passes and/or a TD…because he DOES get open and IS still viable. I hope we keep him next year!

Merry Christmas and Happy Steeler Win:)

by Memmy on Dec 25, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Frustrated by Hood much Neil?

You’re right, though, too many weak moments for a guy who should be at a point where his game should be well-honed. I have the same problem with Timmons. When is he going to start to take over games or at least be a consistent playmaker? That’s one huge investment to put in a guy who’s hot and cold at best.

I agree with Worilds, his overshooting (not holding the edge) on runs to his side is terrible and his coverage is worse. If only he gave us more pass rushing it would be easier to deal with, but he’s not giving much there either. Still think Sean Lee was the better pick, but we reached for need and we’ll have to be patient. The guy could eventually improve, he’s explosive enough. Just so raw technically…

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry, make that Neal

Blame it on the hangover!

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's alright, no one else notices the 'a'

I wasn’t happy during the first viewing, and really wanted to see what those two yahoos were doing when I watched it a second time. Nearly all of Jackson’s yards are attributable to one or both of them.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 25, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I suspected Worilds

but I hadn’t realized Hood’s complicity. Hopefully coaching and more experience with cure both of them.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 26, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

arghh...

“with cure” s/b “will cure” but you probably figured that out already.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 26, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed on Timmons. Thinking his stint at OLB earlier this season slowed him

by klompus on Dec 25, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But it shouldn’t. He’s been around long enough to know his job. I’m not so sure he’s a very savvy or instinctive player. Explosive, but not so good a reading and reacting, like Worilds.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

sean lee is beast!

by klompus on Dec 25, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He is

And he could have replaced Farrior already… Sigh!

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas all

Great win, but I don’t think I could have been more disappointed by two people: Jason Worilds and Ziggy Hood.

Starting on Jason, if good film study makes you a great player, it’s clear why he struggles. The kid can absolutely not diagnosis a play quickly enough. He over blitzes on run plays and completely leaves the defense with their pants down on his side. Go watch those 2 long 3rd down runs that the Rams had and you will see why it happened if you watch him. Then, on pass plays he seems hesitant to use his burst off the snap. That gives the tackle time to get into position and completely stone him. Worilds needs to hit the film study harder or he is going to turn into another 2nd round bust.

Then Ziggy. Where do I start? I know Steelers DEs should be invisible, because they should be occupying the blockers to free up the LBs. But, Hood can’t even do that well. He gets pushes around and can’t even win 1on1s. I said it earlier in the season, and I believe it even more now, Cameron Heyward is going to end up being a better DE than Hood. His motor is better and he already seems stronger. Once he can improve his discipline he will be a stud. Anyway, back to Ziggy, I don’t know what to think about him. Even McLendon is a better player I think.

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by John Stephens on Dec 25, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed John

Ziggy is the most disappointing, because he had showed promise in the past. Maybe he’ll improve, but right now he’s not giving first-rounder return. He might be in the wrong system. Maybe he’s more of a 43 defense 3-technique than a 34 5-tech. What you do NOT want to do John is take a look at the players taken in the next 15 spots after him in the 2009 draft. Depressing. Laurinaitis, Jairus Byrd, Phil Loadholt to name a few who had a visit on the south side before the draft or who were on the radar and would have been awesome in Black and Gold… Aaah, but I know, hindsight, 20/20 and all that jazz, better not think about it.

I think Worilds is another case of a Tomlin explosive athlete who’s just not an amazing football player. Hope he pans out, but he really looks iffy right now.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Phil Loadholt is one of the worst players in the NFL. Never seen an offensive lineman as inconsistent as he is.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 25, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunno

Saw him play really well his rookie year and I haven’t seen the Vikes play since then, but I had heard he played well last year too. Now he may be inconsistent, I’ll take your word for it, but one of the worst players in the NFL? That’s a pretty big statement. Worse than Kemo and Essex? Doesn’t seem possible…

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

"worst player in the NFL" is probably too harsh

I’m in Minnesota, and have a bunch of friends who root for the Vikings. I don’t want to solely go off what they say, but they don’t have a good, G-rated word to say about him. I’ve watched him enough to know there’s some truth to it. He really just doesn’t focus. Some games, he’s looked good. I’ve seen others where, yes, he’s noticeably worse than Kemoeatu and Essex (I felt both played alright Saturday).

Sometimes the defender is past him before he’s even out of his stance.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 26, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Noted concerning Loadholt

And for our guys, I thought they did ok Saturday as well. I was joking, but still not shying away from saying Kemoeatu is the poster boy for inconsistency. Essex is just not the most talented player out there but he’s a valuable 7th OL to dress on gameday. He’s proved his versatility again Saturday.

So as my third candidate for 2009 do-over draft then, somewhat of a bad boy but I think he’d be great as a Buck for us : Rey Maualuga.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 27, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

"Ziggy is the most disappointing, because he had showed promise in the past. "

Hood had a groin injury recently. Maybe its affecting his play?

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."

by showtime on Dec 25, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be

I really hope so, but he was playing unimpressively (not sure that’s a word) before that, wasn’t he?

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by John Stephens on Dec 25, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This year

But he had some good moments in 2010

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so

I think he has been pretty good this year before this game. I think that it has been tougher for him because he has someone so awful in run support behind him. When Woodley was playing, Hood was doing much better and even had a couple games where he downright dominated. I still think once Woodley gets back, not only will the entire run D improve, but you will see Hood return to form and start playing like a Steelers DE should play.

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by seton hall and steelers on Dec 26, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

While the success of a defense...

…is when the total is greater than the sum of its parts, doesn’t the fact that many of the current parts don’t play up to full potential unless all the parts are present indicate that there is still some weaknesses in the defense?

You would hope that a Ziggy Hood would step up his game in the absence of a Woodley or Harrison, for the very reason that someone must take up the slack. Granted, it is the responsibility of the replacement player (i.e. Worilds), but even now, Ziggy has more playing time, and thus should take more of a lead in ensuring the defensive play does not drop off because another starter is missing.

I think time and experience will resolve this, as well as a “real” off-season, not one marred by lockout. Hopefully all of the young players will make gains in strength, quickness, and understanding of the playbook during a full, regular off season.

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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 26, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

heyward is going to be an absolute monster. even mclendon is looking better than hood right now

by klompus on Dec 25, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Ziggy is a product of being in a totally different system

At Mizzou he was either a 3 or 1 technique most of the time, with pass-rushing being his greatest strength. Heyward had already played as a 5 technique occasionally at Ohio State for about 3 years, so what he is doing now is somewhat familiar. He wasn’t that great of a pass-rusher, but he was destructive against the run. Plus, Heyward at his best was way better than Ziggy at his best when they were both in college.

I’ve been saying it since he was injured at the same time Deebo was, Worilds still doesn’t impress me. He still looks awkward rushing from a two-point stance, and he obviously still has trouble holding up against the run. This was most definitely a reach by the scouting department because of his exceptional 10-yard split number at the combine 2 years ago, and it end up biting us in the butt if he doesn’t progress.

I’m more inclined to think Ziggy is going to end up fine because I’ve heard training camp reports on him being very positive (multiple people have said that he looked like a beast at times). Despite what many may think, he helps us out a lot with the pass-rush (see this and last year’s Titans’ games) and he is always tying up blockers. OTOH, I kinda have the opposite feeling about Worilds because he isn’t even that good of a pass-rusher at this point. Ziggy should leave next year’s training camp as a much improved player, but I’m not too high on Worilds right now.

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by StoneColdSteel on Dec 25, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not a technique issue

He looks slow and weak. I don’t care what gap you’re defending, you can’t be those things along the defensive line.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 25, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But he isn't slow or weak

He just needs to play better.

I think you guys are overreacting after a bad game. He hasn’t followed up one his success last season, but he still is a young player that is still getting adjusted to playing a totally different way. I think he will be fine.

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by StoneColdSteel on Dec 25, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ziggy hasn't played that well

Our run defense has dropped ever since Smith has missed considerable time over the past 2 years. Not a lot, but it is a noticeable drop based on an increase in longer runs by opponents. The decline by Big Snack is partly to blame as well but it is clear that Ziggy is not the run stuffing lineman Smith was.

by qwikdoc on Dec 26, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m really not as optimistic about Ziggy. He’s had far too much time to claim he isn’t accustomed to the NFL yet. I recall two camps ago (maybe it was this one) that Ziggy was successfully able to play all 3 spots on the DL. Well, color me stupid, but where the hell has that player been? He looks weak, confused, and just all around outmatched in every matchup he has. As Neal mentioned in his post, Harvey Dahl is hardly a top tier OL and he totally stoned our 1st round pick for 95% of the game.

The real disturbing part is that, as you mentioned, Heyward’s biggest knock from college was that he couldn’t rush the passer, yet he is already a more efficient rusher than Ziggy.

Worilds isssue is 100% commitment related IMO. He’s noting hitting the film study as hard as he should and therefore he cannot diagnosis their offense. That can be improved as long as he wants to submit the effort.

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by John Stephens on Dec 25, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not being to hold your ground against the run has nothing to do with film study

I know he isn’t diagnosing plays as well as he should, but the dude should at least be able to provide a good rush on passing downs. So far, he hasn’t been able to win his one-on-ones, and thats a problem. I’m not seeing the explosive first-step that he seemingly has, and he just doesn’t look comfortable in space at all.

And I think Ziggy will be a much improved player once he gets another training camp under his belt. Sometimes it takes a bit longer for certain players to develop, and I think Ziggy is going through a bad stretch right now because he played very well last year. He was a pass rusher in college and now he is being asked to soak up blockers and maintain leverage between two gaps. Not an easy transition to make.

Remember, not everyone can develop as fast as Woodley or Troy.

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by StoneColdSteel on Dec 25, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

How much of this is it the Zigmeister’s nagging groin injury?
He seemed to turn the corner last year after getting prolonged playing time with the Aaron Smith injury.
But truth be told, I’m not impressed with him this year either.

by ToonaSteel on Dec 25, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That could be a factor

Because he looked more powerful last year, and the way he works out in the gym, there’s really no reason for that.

Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"

by Steelfrog on Dec 25, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking. The Big Snack often mentions Ziggy as the strongest in the weight room…….just not “country strong” like Casey :)

by ToonaSteel on Dec 25, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I remember hearing that last year too.

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by alfresco on Dec 25, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ziggy is absolutely, positively playing hurt......

…there is no other explanation for his regression.

The DL has already lost Smitty and Hokey to injury, and Snack has also been hurt.
We KNOW that Hood has lost time to the groin injury.

Hood is a demon of a hard worker. He is as strong as a bull. The is clubhouse gold and a dedicated team player.

It’s not like he just discovered beer, twinkies, nose candy or crystal meth.

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by Homer J. on Dec 25, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't that injury more recent?

I feel like he’s been underwhelming all year.

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by John Stephens on Dec 25, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

+1
Great win, but I don’t think I could have been more disappointed by two people: Jason Worilds and Ziggy Hood.

Agreed…see the above 600 words written on those two. I keep seeing the same things over and over with Worilds. Seemed more of a continuation of a recent slide for Hood, and I’m willing to concede it could be due to his injury.

Worilds needs more strength and to learn how to balance an aggressive push with a quick reaction to the play. He either rushes way too far up field or he stands still for too long waiting to see what the back is doing. Needs to get his butt across the line and engage the lineman and react to the play when he has position.

Maybe we’re just too used to Harrison, and we’ve become spoiled.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 25, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we’re just too used to Harrison, and we’ve become spoiled.

Probably too damn true. And too spoiled by Woodley being a monster against the run.

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by John Stephens on Dec 25, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Let Batch Finish

Let Batch finish the season and rest Ben. Hopefully we get a win @ Cleveland and the Bengals do us a huge favor and take down the Ravens. If not, time to beat Baltimore on their own turf.

by floridasteeler on Dec 25, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Completely agree. Give Ben another weeks rest and make sure he’s healthy, if we want to win a Super Bowl we should have no trouble beating Cleveland with Batch. And I don’t want to go on the road at all on the playoffs, but if it happens that way, it’d only be fair. Ravens earned the right to host us. Time for us to step up and win at their place. If its at Pittsburgh, it’d be a steal, but we shouldn’t count on it

by tc26steelers on Dec 25, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The ravens didn’t “earn” the right, they were given this right by the refs because of the raven ownership complaining to Goodell.

The second game at Heinz was an abomination by way of officiating. I don’t care about the last minute drive.

by IronJake on Dec 26, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bottom line: We shut them out.

I can’t criticize our D when the other team got zero points—Rams or not.

by Billy52 on Dec 25, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

We did benefit from 2 missed Field Goals, but the concern moreso is turnovers. Shutouts are fantastic, only thing missing from making us the true #1 Defense in the league are turnovers. Good news is that all the pieces are in place, we just need the right bounces and to get healthy for the playoffs (Woodley/Harrison together would be nice) , and turnovers should come out way.

by tc26steelers on Dec 25, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

christmas eve dream

Man, had this dream on christmas eve…Bungles as th 6th, us as the 5th…we make Tebow bow down to us, bungles take over Texas…We get the BBQ sauce out(cause ratbird taste just like chicken) and, amazingly, Bungles beat Brady….AFC championship game at Catsup field…priceless.

Im just saying

by jonesynysteeler on Dec 25, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

RE

Only way that happens is if the Bengals make it while losing, which requires a Jets loss and either a Raiders or Broncos loss. Possible, but probably more likely for them to get in by winning, which makes us the #2 seed.

Good thing is that even if the Jets (1:00) lose, Bengals (4:15) need to play to win because Raiders and Broncos are also 4:15 pm

by tc26steelers on Dec 25, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense and Thoughts

few things….
-Agree with you guys on the D. We’re very good on defense, (#1 in YPG and top 5 in many other catergories), but I feel like for us to be considered elite, dominate, etc, we need turnovers, and a better job on 3rd down. Decent on 3rd down yesterday, but it was the Rams.

-Running game looked great. Rashard looked like Willie Parker in Week 17 2009, even though that was vs the Browns, he carried his preformance over to the Chargers playoff game

-No problem at all starting Batch. I hope (and I think I think) the Ravens will lose, but why take the chance. Batch is more than capable of handling his duties in Cleveland. Browns are 30th vs the Run, and we learned that we can run the ball at least on bad teams

-If we end up with the #5 seed, which is more likely than not, I hope we go to Oakland. Don’t want to face the Broncos runnning game and play in Denver, and it’d be great to revive Steelers/Raiders from the 1970’s. Wasnt alive for it but I hear it was every bit as intense as Steelers/Ravens

by tc26steelers on Dec 25, 2011 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

Steelers vs Raiders rivalry...

…was even more intense that Steelers/Ravens, because football was football back then. The highlight reel was filled after just one game between Steelers and Raiders

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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 26, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I recall those days.

Oh, how I detested the Raiders back then. Loathed them. Still have a lingering loathing, even though they are sad.

by since'75 on Dec 26, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Things that worry me

Ziggy Hood not playing as well as he should, Worilds lack of run support, and most of all the fact that teams can run on this defense. Thats preposterous, Steelers defense has literally been close impossible to run on for years and years now. I remember that 30 something streak of games the Steelers didn’t allow a 100 yard rusher. Now it seems like teams opt to run on the Steelers instead of pass, something I never thought I would ever say. There are gonna be some really good running teams in the AFC playoffs, I hope they dont gash us.
On a side note Troy Polamalu is one of the most unique and dominating forces to ever play in the NFL. He doesnt have the huge stats like his fellow all-world safety Ed Reed has had over his career, but Troy makes more plays that leave you in absolute awe of what you just witnessed that any player ever has on the defensive side of the ball. If Troy P is not a first ballot HOF, it will be an ABSOLUTE travesty.

by blitzzburgh on Dec 26, 2011 5:08 AM EST reply actions  

Run game

< Thats preposterous, Steelers defense has literally been close impossible to run on for years and years now.>

Aaron Smith had LOTS to do with this.

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by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

He sure as hell had a lot to do with our not-so-good defense earlier this year, too.

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by Riddlah. on Dec 26, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

bend but don't break ...

I think people are perhaps taking the Rams running “success” a little too seriously. For all Steven Jackson’s undoubted studliness, the Rams offense never even got into the red zone. At best they would have scored 6 points if their kicker hadn’t gotten the Heinz yips. At the end of the day, the defense kept them from scoring and got off the field in a reasonable time, while not screwing the offense in terms of field position. We largely stoned a better 49ers running attack on Monday night, and overall have been pretty decent against the run. We got a bit spoiled by the absolute steel curtains we saw in 2010 and 2008, but we should remember just how exceptional those defenses were.

by Tequila0341 on Dec 26, 2011 7:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

They had the ball on Pittsburgh’s 12-yard line in the 4th quarter. The vast majority of Jackson’s yards came on that drive, and that’s the one I was highlighting. It wasn’t good, and we’ll see teams doing what St. Louis did again.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 26, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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by worldtrip on Dec 26, 2011 2:38 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

In preseason

Everyone was ready to throw ASmith in the trash for Hood. The chants went something like “What the hell do we need a run-stuffing ASmith for? Everyone passes nowadays.”

Well, Smith is gone, and we now have our Hood. And teams are puttin 100 yards rushin on us like it wasnt nuthin.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

Smith was gone last year ...

and Hood started, and the Steelers were historically good against the run.

Let’s not forget that Smith was starting during the rather humiliating Texans game, when the Texans both ran and scored all over the Steelers in unprecedented fashion.

by Tequila0341 on Dec 26, 2011 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

First part of last year with a HEALTHY Smith

Steeler D was downright DOMINANT. WHen Hood took over, the Run D was still good, but not DOMINANT.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

wait a minute now. You are saying a team that gave up 62 yards a game for the whole season was only dominant when Smith was out there? I don’t get it. I would think that if it went from dominant to just good, there wouldn’t be a 30 yard per game gap between the Steelers and the second best run defense. They had 10 games without him to not be dominant. They still were
Aaron Smith, as much as I love him and appreciate his contribution to the team, he just doesn’t have it anymore. He was getting thoroughly dominated most of the time he was in the game this year.

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by FrankWyt on Dec 26, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Compare with & without SMITH

Compare the run defense WITH smith last year. Then compare it for the remainder WITHOUT. I would, but am too lazy.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well. I did, so here we go
Games with Smith 58,46,75,70,69,64
Games without Smith. 30,54,103,61,74,43,34,106,74,43

As you can see, 4 of the most dominant performances came with Smith missing. They did give up two big games (Jets, Patriots), but these things are going to happen to any team, no matter how great. But the stats say that there was no visible drop off without the guy

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by FrankWyt on Dec 26, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when do stats prove ANYTHING??

Yeah, I just checked and it was 63 ypg WITH SMith, and 62 without SMith.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, are you joking about the stats proving anything?

I don’t always think they tell the whole story. In this case…the run d was just dominant period. I would never try to malor things and bring up completely useless stats that mean nothing. But in this case…it was pretty much the same all year. As I said, I love Aaron Smith..but he’s done. Hood has to be the guy or they need someone else.

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by FrankWyt on Dec 26, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

yep that was sarcasm

Yes Smith is all but done, and a longshot to get in one more good, healthy year. My point all along is again more on Ziggy. To say he was anything CLOSE to being what ASMith WAS, is heresy.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well, if I were able to get that all you were saying was that Hood is nowhere near Smiths “prime” level, then I wouldn’t have had any arguments for that. Of course he’s not. Smith was one of those special players. I still think Hood could/should be..but that doesn’t always translate to “is”

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by FrankWyt on Dec 26, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Smith is too old and injury-prone to ever be good again, so you might as well drop whatever argument you’re trying to start.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Dec 26, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

the argument is

that those who were ready to annoint Ziggy as the NEXT Aaron Smith were GRAVELY misled. People actually believed that there was virtually NO dropoff between Aaron Smith and Ziggy last year, and were calling for the team to cut him in preseason.
Now I think you and everyone else finally realize, Ziggy is NOT there yet. Not by a LONG shot. Like Tomlin would say, he has “miles to travel before he sleeps”.

Its a DAMN shame that ASmith’s impact on our defense still goes underappreciated.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

As I pointed out up there, there was virtually no dropoff between the two players.
However, there is no way any Steeler fan “underappreciates” Smith. They just realize that he hasn’t been himself for almost 4 years. He is a great Steeler, but he’s done. He hasn’t contributed much of anything since the 08 season.

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 26, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd still say there is quite a dropoff between ASMith of old and Ziggy

If 2011 Aaron Smith = 60% of 2006 Aaron Smith, thats still better than 2011 Ziggy. I think we can all agree to that. It iwll be interesting if ASmith does not retire and tries to come back next year, who the coaches will give the starting nod to.
THIS year they didnt listen to BTSC and rightfully starting ASmith over Ziggy.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i don’t know about that..60% of Smith is pretty much what we saw this year. It was not pretty. Hood has his good games and his bad games, Smith is just done. I’m not saying Hood is the long term answer, just that, he’s more effective than Smith right now..

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by FrankWyt on Dec 26, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop comparing a should-be Hall of Famer to a kid who was just drafted in 2009. Plus, you have to take into account the fact that LeBeau’s defense is a very complex one, so of course not all players are going to progress so quickly, a la Woodley or Polamalu.

"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."

by Riddlah. on Dec 26, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

my point EXACTLY

He’s LIGHT years away still.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 27, 2011 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

“If 2011 Aaron Smith = 60% of 2006 Aaron Smith, thats still better than 2011 Ziggy. I think we can all agree to that”

Not all of us

by worldtrip on Dec 27, 2011 10:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

The key phrase in that statement was "last year"

Did you happen to see Mr. Smith this preseason and when he wasn’t inured? Not even close to his former self.

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by StoneColdSteel on Dec 26, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

thank god we have Ziggy though right?

Point being, Smith was one of the main reasons we’ve been so dominant against the run all these years. People including yourself were saying this preseason that Ziggy was proving to be just as good as Smith and he deserved to be the starter, that he offered more ability as a pass rusher.
ASmith just finally got caught by father time with all the injuries. Sure he had a bad 1st few games, but hey, who on the front 7 didnt’? Those run zone blocking schemes early on gave everyone fits. ASmith though was turning the corner, coming back to form before his injury. I’m certain that had he not gotten injured, the 35 year old Smith would be playing MUCH better than Ziggy is now.
I’m rooting for Ziggy (Specially since he’s half mexican), but like i told you guys in preseason, it was a bit premature to say he was capable of filling in the BIG shoes that ASmith left.

Stay thirsty my friends.

by SteelerMessican on Dec 26, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I love Aaron

He was not close to turning any corner or reversing father time. At no point during this season did he look like his old self, and your opinion doesn’t change that.

Not trying to sound rude, but predicting that Ziggy wouldn’t be as great as Aaron was is something that 95% of the people on this site could do. All I ever said is that Ziggy would be a good player, and that Aaron now is not a better option than Ziggy now. Ziggy is younger and still has a ton of upside, while Aaron is older, injury-prone, and carries a high price tag for a guy that hasn’t played a full season in a while.

And it may be just me, but I think there are many factors that have led to the defense not being as good as it was in previous years: the lockout, Deebo and Woodley being injured, Timmons not playing as well, and the zone-blocking scheme. If Aaron was the biggest reason our defense was so good against the run, then our rushing defense should’ve gotten noticeably worse last season.

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by StoneColdSteel on Dec 26, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference between a good player and a great player is whether or not I’m attached to their head.

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