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Ravens at Cincinnati Play Scheduled for Same Time As Steelers at Cleveland

It's like a train wreck.

How do you keep your eyes on the road (the Cleveland Browns) when there is something close to you that's much more captivating and dramatic (the Ravens/Bengals game)?

For Steelers fans, it will be impossible to watch the Pittsburgh at Cleveland game without having an eye on another TV, a cell phone or one of those tablet things providing updates on the Ravens/Bengals game.

Star-divide

For Baltimore, a win gives them the AFC North title - the first of coach John Harbaugh's career and the Ravens first division championship since 2006.

A Steelers loss gives them the same thing.

A Ravens loss combined with a Steelers win brings the division championship back to Pittsburgh for the fourth time in five years. Interestingly, it would be the division championship Pittsburgh won while being in first place for the least amount of time this season. They've never held a game advantage over Baltimore, but had the default lead for approximately 24 hours from when San Diego defeated Baltimore, and before San Francisco beat Pittsburgh in Week 15.

The Ravens have controlled their destiny since defeating Pittsburgh for the second time this season in Week 9. The Steelers have matched them, win-for-win and loss-for-loss since then.

What makes this Week 17 one of the most compelling regular season ends in recent memory is the fact Baltimore is in the more difficult of the two games. Cleveland has nothing to play for but bragging rights, while Cincinnati (9-6) could win a Wild Card spot with a win over Baltimore.

It would be the first time in the nine-year history of the AFC North three of its four teams made the playoffs. It's probably part of the reason why the NFL flexed both of these games to the late afternoon slot Sunday.

Frustrating, considering the league could have put the Baltimore game at 1 p.m. ET, and the Steelers game at 4:15 p.m. ET, giving Pittsburgh the ability to rest its starters if Baltimore won. They will be the 5th seed if Baltimore wins, regardless of the outcome of their game against Cleveland.

The league likely moved them both to 4:15 p.m. due to the lack of a sellout in Cincinnati at the time flex decisions needed to be made. If Cincinnati doesn't sell out, CBS will air the Steelers game to a national audience. If they do sell out, they will air the Ravens/Bengals game.

It's certainly not far-fetched the streaking Bengals could knock off the Ravens. Cincinnati racked up 483 yards in Baltimore's 31-24 win in Week 11, but Baltimore's defense made big plays when it needed to against rookie QB Andy Dalton. Cincinnati got inside Baltimore's 10-yard line down seven with less than a minute to play.

And the Ravens were much healthier in that game. RG Marshal Yanda is nursing "bruised ribs" (based on what he said after the game, and the reports of it being painful for him to breathe, it seems more like broken ribs) and may not be able to play. WR Anquan Boldin has already been ruled out after having knee surgery last week.

Meanwhile, Cleveland gave Baltimore something of a scare in Week 16, but sloppy play and an ill-timed offsides penalty on rookie NT Phil Taylor ended a comeback bid. The Browns really do not look sharp on offense or defense, but KR Josh Cribbs has the ability to change games, as Pittsburgh knows full-well. He returned a punt for a touchdown against Baltimore, but the Browns struggled enormously on the offensive side of the ball.

Pittsburgh allowed 7.8 points per game over their last five, and gave up just 3 to Cleveland in Week 14.

No game is a gimme in the NFL, and Pittsburgh must be prepared to take Cleveland's best effort. The first priority is beating the Browns, which begs the question whether QB Ben Roethlisberger will play. He missed Week 16, but could be ready to play Sunday.

Charlie Batch played well in the 27-0 victory over the Rams, largely in part to a dominant Steelers running game. Pittsburgh should feel confident in their advantages over Cleveland on offense and defense, but plain and simple, the team is worse without Roethlisberger in there.

In the end, it sure would be a shame for the Steelers to be upset by the Browns while the Bengals knock off Baltimore. It'll be really hard not to watch both games simultaneously.

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I hope the Steelers focus on their own game

Easier said than done, but they should just forget about the Ravens game and think about the scenario that if they beat the Browns they win AFC N.

I will say it again. The Bengals beating the Ravens has the same probability as the Browns beating the Steelers without Ben. A road division game for the Steelers….not something which can be easily written of as a W, no matter how much the Browns suck.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Dec 27, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

worked out for me

I had to work New years day anyway and was upset to miss both of these games. Now I can miss a small portion of them but still make it home in time to watch these two games split-screen on the ticket. Perogies are ready for that day.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

I'd quibble with a few points there

The main reason PIT-CLE moved together with BAL-CIN is that both games have to happen at the same time in order to ensure that the results of one game can’t make the other one meaningless or less competitive. If the Ravens win before the Steelers even kick off, the Steelers know they have nothing to play for. If the Steelers lose (and the Patriots win) before the Ravens game starts, same situation for BAL. The NFL doesn’t like this, so given the opportunity, they’ll schedule the games to happen at the same time. Scoreboard watching while trying to focus on your own game is part of the thrill of Week 17 anyway.

I fully expect most local CBS stations to show the Ravens-Bengals game, but the other biggest candidate for a wide audience, in my mind, is Chiefs-Broncos, which arguably has higher stakes than PIT-CLE (win-and-in, lose-and-out for DEN).

by TheSpatulaMessiah on Dec 27, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

The main reason PIT-CLE moved together with BAL-CIN is that both games have to happen at the same time in order to ensure that the results of one game can’t make the other one meaningless or less competitive.

They were both scheduled for 1 p.m., and KC ad Denver and SD at Oakland (same situation as in the AFC North) were already scheduled for 4:15.

You’re right, they weren’t going to trivialize either game, but they did cut off two games with playoff implications from their national feed by moving PIttsburgh and Baltimore.

I really think they are worried Bal at Cin won’t sell out, and they wanted to be able to have the Patriots game (vs. Buffalo, 1 p.m.) and either Pittsburgh or Bal/Cin at 4:15. Both stations get a double-header, so it’s likely they’ll both run regional games if they have the interest (it all depends on the market, of course).

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

FIFA

actually had to do this same thing with the last pair of group matches in every major tourney, beginning some time ago. Countries were conspiring to tie games in order to ensure that they both advanced, thus totally jobbing at least 1 of the other 2 teams in the group. Oddly, that may have been the only non-corrupt thing FIFA has ever done.

At any rate, I’d love to watch both games (Pittsburgh first, of course), but I can understand why the NFL made this decision. Whatever. The only thing that matters is Cleveland anyhow.

by HandsofSweed on Dec 27, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Every Steeler fan should be a Jets fan Sunday

If the Jets win then that forces the Bengals to win to get in. If the Jets lose then it is still possible for the Bengals to get in even if they lose. So we don’t want that thought in their head. We want them knowing that they have to win to get in. The Jets game is at 1pm, I think they will win because the Jets usually play better this time of the year and will need this game. The dolphins don’t need this game. They aren’t playing to save a head coach’s job and all they want is to keep the score respectable so they don’t put out bad tape for their next job. So the Bengals will know by the start of the their game the parameters behind their qualifications for the playoffs. I think we’ll beat the browns especially since that game will likey be a home game for us. We just got to take care of business.

As for the bengals game, they get their best passer rusher in Carlos Dunlap back and AJ Green will be playing in this game. With this game at home and the playoffs on the line and the Ravens being without Boldin, I like the Bengals chances. Dalton has to take care of the ball though, he had three picks last time he played the Ravens.

I’m still nervous.

I love the Steelers.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 27, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Dalton hasnt thrown a pick in 4 or 5 games….I read somewhere. Nice little stat right there!

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oakland and Denver

You are correct, but the Bengals would need to worry about Oakland and Denver as well. If both of them win (definitely a reasonable chance), and Cincy loses, they’re out.

Simply put, a lot needs to happen for Cincinnati to get in the playoffs with a loss. They’ll be motivated.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why God invented sports bars......

…you can see all the games at the same time, and the beer is really cold.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Dec 27, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

But then you have to sit and watch with moron Vikings and Packers fans lingering around…

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

can’t be worse than Browns fans

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

I’d put Packers fans ahead of Browns fans. I think there’s heavy regional bias in this argument though.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re probably right. But at the bar I used to go to… I got the impression they didn’t care about the Browns at all, they just wanted other teams to lose, or their players to get injured. A truly miserable bunch

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

by “their” I mean…players on teams they didn’t like/wanted to lose

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Who the hell cares about the Browns anyway?

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 27, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

there is a small indigenous sect of Browns worshipers still living. I know this to be true…….I saw them on National Geographic

by ToonaSteel on Dec 27, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

There is actually a Browns bar two blocks from me....and its owned by a Pittsburgher named Bill....

I know his last name but won’t out him. He’s originally from Squirrel Hill and owns half a dozen bars in this town.

People show up there on Sunday’s in Sandlotter jerseys, hopeful. They leave disspirited and distraught. Oddly, it is called Lucky Bar.

It is a cafe of sadness.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Dec 27, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t have the answer for that. As I stated, I don’t even think their fans care.

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah during the browns game they were applauding Bens’ injury while laughing and clapping. Thats what I saw at Houligans while trying to enjoy my damn meal and downplay the injury. Then Ben comes back and beats their teams’ ass and all was quiet on the western front.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I saw similar crap in their game thread. I can honestly say I dislike their fans more than Ravens fans now.

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by John Stephens on Dec 27, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Dung and Dung Beetles, take your pick.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s a draw for me. Ravens fans want to see Hines or Ben injured, then can’t understand why some of us find it hilarious that Yanda the cheap shotting bitch got injured while attempting one of his patented cheap shots.
They can’t see the poetic justice in that…

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Mechem said "hatem all"

"you will hardly know who I am or what I mean"-Walt Whitman

by Pittsblitz56 on Dec 27, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and they stank

like dung and dung beetles.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not only Browns fans who are happy to see Ben get hurt. He is one of the top five most hated players in football. Many fans believe he got away with rape, and would like nothing more than for him to have a serious injury.

by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope people feel the same about Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 28, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ooooh, so that makes it more acceptable? No, it doesn’t.

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by John Stephens on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

My point as about sterotyping a whole entire fanbase based on actions that are not actually unique to that fanbase

by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by John Stephens on Dec 27, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

On the bright side, at least any Eagles fans would have headed home

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 27, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling that if the Steelers saw the Eagles more often, they would be the frontrunner by far. On their blog, someone posted that picture of the guys dressing up like feet. A few responses were along the lines of “our fans are the best”. Of course, they weren’t considering the fact that those two guys were ruining the game for the people behind them, and in front of them.

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Or ravens fans

Like the group of female raven fans I run into that look like they just got off their shift at waste management. Everytime I see em I say “does anyone smell Crabcakes?” Nobody gets it. I dont think they know the correlation of crabcakes and baltimore. I think they like em because theyre purple and they talk a lot.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

All you guys complaining about other fan base

Try sitting in a bar surrounded by Pats fans.

Case closed.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Dec 27, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

“How baht a Seventy Yahd Punt on the one Yahd Line. Bahston is wicked awesome, dude!”

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Fah git about it

"you will hardly know who I am or what I mean"-Walt Whitman

by Pittsblitz56 on Dec 27, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What the Giants said to the Pats when they thought 19-0 was happenin’.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

"you will hardly know who I am or what I mean"-Walt Whitman

by Pittsblitz56 on Dec 27, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys complaining about Patriots, Ravens, Browns, etc. fans

Have you ever been in a Steelers bar where the team isn’t actually playing well?

My gawd what a miserable bunch of assholes.

Hey, stereotyping an entire teams fanbase is fun!

by worldtrip on Dec 27, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

People do it to us too, ya know

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 27, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

People do it with Steeler fans all the time. And those stereotypes are bullshit. As are all of the stereotypes people are making about fanbases here.

I’ve said this before, but the negative attitudes about Browns fans annoy me the most. My experience with Browns fans have been nothing but positive where I live. These guys are great fans of their team, and frustrated at losing, and of course they hate the Steelers. Why wouldn’t they? But they don’t really ever give me shit, and when they do it is with a gleam in their eye. They know they don’t have a good team, and are quite self-deprecating about it.

I go to a bar here that is for all fan bases. I didn’t like going to the Steeler bar. Way too much negativity any time one little thing went wrong. Sure some of my fellow Steeler fans there were great, and I loved talking football with them. But most of them? Blecch. Go bitch about that 3rd and 2 the Steelers didn’t get a first down with an empty backfield somewhere else.

I’d rather shoot the shit with the Browns fans, and that one fan of the Bucs, and the Niners, and Raiders, and Jets, and Bears, and all the myriad fans of other teams that come into my bar every Sunday. They make for more enjoyable conversation anyway.

by worldtrip on Dec 27, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather go to a Steelers bar and face pessimistic fans than being surrounded by fans of other teams asking me which college girl is Ben’s next rape target or telling me how Harrison should be suspended from football or how Ward should get his smile wiped from his face by some dirty hit.

At least the sky is falling type of Steelers fans are talking football.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Dec 27, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

In my personal experience, negative attitudes toward them are just. I have had things thrown at me, had my girlfriend called a stupid whore for supporting the Steelers, despite their rapist QB, which in turn, according to them, meant she liked to be raped, (or maybe it was that she thinks it’s ok for women to get raped…I had pretty much lost it by that point, so things are a little fuzzy) and many many other things. If it’s different for you, that’s awesome. But for me, four of my top five worst experiences with opposing teams fans have come at the expense of Browns fans.

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't possibly speak to the general attitude of the fan bases across the country

And neither can I. I’m glad you have a few Browns fans you hold in high regard. As far as the Browns SB Nation sites goes (and to be honest, I really don’t know much because I don’t feel there is a less interesting team in football), they were complete jerks, so get off your high-horse, plenty of people in here suggest your experience is far from the norm.

My comment about Packers fans was a joke, because one of my best friends is a Packers fan, and he reads what I write. However, he and I both know there are complete moron Packers fans. I hate to break it to everyone, there are complete moron Steelers fans. And Browns fans.

Boil it down, this is a Steelers web site. It’s too bad it “annoys” you, but no one’s gonna apologize for a fan base that cheers when its opposing quarterback is injured, despite the Browns quarterback being knocked into next week, and is allowed to return to the game.

I didn’t see any posts on the Browns site about how disgraceful it was McCoy was allowed to return to the game. BTSC took care of that for them.

I go to a bar here that is for all fan bases.

Some may say you’re at the wrong bar. I agree with those people.

Go ahead and mingle with the fans of the Bucs, Raiders, 49ers, Jets and Bears if you’d like. We’ll continue to rip on Browns fans and we’re not going to feel badly about it.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Neal…your way with words is pure poetry.

Boy, I'm three generations deep, in gangstadom

by FrankWyt on Dec 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, say what you want, but from what I have read over the years if you had to generalize about fan bases that other teams fans complain about and despise the most, I have found Eagles, Cowboys, and Steelers fans to be generally the ones most despised. Maybe Jets fans can be added.

So I find Steelers fans complaining about other fan bases to be the ultimate pot calling the kettle black.

by worldtrip on Dec 27, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Sure, I am generalizing the hell out of Browns fans and rightfully so after visiting their SBN site far too often. They don’t greet you with a smile. They are not cordial. They do not care who you are as a person, because you like a team they despise. I don’t hesitate to say they are assholes. So, yes, in my experience Browns fans are that. Assholes.

That being said, I still give every person I meet the benefit of the doubt. I, generally, don’t like Ravens fans, but each new one I meet I greet with respect, unless they turn into someone like Evan Skev. That type of fan that doesn’t want to talk football, they just want to insult you. That’s how I approach it. Those Browns fans on Dawgs by Nature just don’t give a shit about who you are. Their assholes, generally speaking, of course.

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by John Stephens on Dec 28, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

Pats win
Steelers win
Ravens lose
Broncos lose, but get lucky and the Raiders lose.

Slap in the Gaints beating the Boys and you’ve got your 12.

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by John Stephens on Dec 27, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Nice...

I think you may be right.

Then again, I’ve rooted against Baltimore in Week 17 with playoff implications on the line and they prevailed.

I think I peeled paint on my living room walls with the profanity hurled when JaMarcus Russell came in and turned the ball over immediately in 2009. The Raiders were competing, and a Ravens loss would have put the Steelers in the playoffs.

Man, that STILL pisses me off.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

JaMarcus Russell

sippin on some sySrup

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He may be right.......I may be crazy.......

Sorry….getting on a Billy Joel tangent there……..

I’m just not so sure on Cincy pulling this one out at home…….Call it the Bungles…..call it me trying to always lower my expectations…..but I wish your predictions are right Johnny Stats

by ToonaSteel on Dec 27, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Trying not to get all jacked up

about the chances of things falling into place again, The S.F. game was a seriuos buzz kill. Still, as Bart Scott said “can’t wait” to see how the destiny of Lombardi #7 unfolds.

"you will hardly know who I am or what I mean"-Walt Whitman

by Pittsblitz56 on Dec 27, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not either, but it’s hard not to. Honestly, I can see things ending without any drama. Both Baltimore and Pittsburgh win comfortably.

Gonna be a long week next week, though. Look for dozens of league news stories (Cowher to New York or San Diego highlighting that) here, if they go to Denver, it’s a week about Ryan Clark and Ryan Mundy, if it’s Oakland, it’s about Richard Seymour and The Worst Officiated Game Of All Time.

Plenty of intrigue…

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Cowher to S.D

would be an awesome rivalry. Would suck though, always wanted him to take a college gig for that reason

"you will hardly know who I am or what I mean"-Walt Whitman

by Pittsblitz56 on Dec 27, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats a pretty big pickup for the Chargers

As long as they fire A.J. Smith too.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 27, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

No one in America has less job security than A.J. Smith right now

And rightfully so. No chance he has a job Sunday morning. Very few have deserved to be fired more than he has, and they’re all criminals.

That team has completely fallen apart, and all he’s left with is Phillip Rivers, who is clearly second-string compared to Drew Brees, the guy he dumped for Rivers.

Merriman was a PED user, Tomlinson was nothing, obviously, but he let go of Sproles too, and an undrafted guy has outperformned his first-round draft pick two years in a row now. That team needs to go in a new direction.

Sadly, Cowher will have them whipped into shape in no time. Watch out for them next year.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

All of their problems cannot be fixed in one year

They hardly have anything resembling a pass rush and their once dominant offensive line is now reduced to playing a bunch of second and third stringers because of injuries and bad scouting. Not to mention Ryan Matthews leads the league in fumbles (last I heard).

Even their “#1 ranked defense” from last year is now average because multiple players have regressed, the most notable being Antoine Cason. Larry English has given them nothing since he got drafted.

I love Cowher, but I dont think he can right that ship in just one year.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 28, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll respectfully disagree with you to an extent. I think right now, and most of this season, they’ve lacked discipline, which is exactly what Cowher will instill in them.

I see them as being very similar to the 2006 Steelers; a talented team that lost its direction. They let a few games slip they should have won and just weren’t focused in a few others.

The San Diego team I saw take Baltimore behind the shed is one that scared me. Rivers was phenomenal, and the bevy of tree-like receivers they have make them a dangerous offense.

They regressed this year, no doubt, and I think you’re right in the sense it may take more than a year, but much of that will be based in the transition, which could work either for or against a team.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 28, 2011 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I kinda agree

But our 2006 squad had way more talent than this years Chargers squad, they just didn’t know how to handle success. Our problem that year wasn’t really personnel as much as it was maturity and discipline IMO.

And Baltimore has lost to the likes of Jacksonville and Tennessee, while almost getting ran out of the stadium by Arizona. So I kinda wasn’t surprised that they managed to lose to another sub-.500 team.

In the short-term they definitely need a shot of discipline, but they really need a better G.M. ASAP.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 28, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is Walt Coleman this weekend?

wherever he goes many games he blows

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

At the Minnesota-Chicago game

for the love of all things Holy, I hope.

by HandsofSweed on Dec 27, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh thank Christ

That guy gives me more heartburn than Phil Simms and Jim Nance calling our games. That would be my next question. Bottom Line, Steelers need to win just to end the season on an upward trend, playing well and hitting their stride.

I'd sooner get Flacco'd out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.

by steeltech on Dec 27, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really know

where Coleman is going to be. I was just hoping for the Bears-Vikes bc I’m pretty sure that game has NO impact on the Steelers.

by HandsofSweed on Dec 27, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And are you old enough

to remember Don Criqui and Bob Trumpy calling NBC games in the 1980’s? If so, you know.

by HandsofSweed on Dec 27, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's Playin?

I say play Batch and continue to pound it. I agree with the above that this being a road game is no gimme. Will Clay be active for this game based on the state of the injury report? Will Pouncey play? I’d have to guess he’ll rest too. We may have a skeleton crew out there and I’d be a little surprised to see BB in there even though we are way more unpredictable with him in. I’d love to see Mendenhall/Redman/Clay run it all day with Batch again not making too many mistakes.

Was it just me last night or is New Orleans and Green Bay mirror images of themselves. Screen city I tell ya; if it works do it I guess…looks pretty deadly against NFC competition.

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by SaratogaSteelerFan on Dec 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Cleveland nothing to play for or do they?

Hey Neal..Cleveland would love to play spoiler for Pittsburgh, and almost beat them at Pittsburgh (a la a banged up Ben). But…do they or don’t they have anything to play for?

“Cleveland has nothing to play for but bragging rights”

" Pittsburgh must be prepared to take Cleveland’s best effort"

Anywho, Baltimore will be fine and knock Cincy in the mouth

by ELav11 on Dec 27, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Hey ELav, what part of "Cleveland has nothing to play for but bragging rights" tells you I said they have nothing to play for?

In a random universe, if Pittsburgh was staring at yet another top five pick and Cleveland was looking at another playoff berth, you’re damn right I’d be fired up for the Steelers to play Cleveland.

Your attitude would be, in this alternate universe, “yeah, we gotta play, but when the rubber meets the road, Pittsburgh flat-out sucks, and we should be able to walk over this team provided we’ve prepared and we’re not trying to do more than what we can do.”

Right?

So…….I’m not worried.

Besides, the score was 14-3, but did you ever really think you were competitive in that game? Really? At any point? Two turnovers inside Pittsburgh’s red zone and you still managed…three points? On the first drive of the game? Competitive?

I’ll leave you at peace to answer that question, but I implore you to be honest with yourself.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 27, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing how they can acquire a bunch of draft picks from Atlanta and still not be competitive at all

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think more of the treasure trove comes in this draft, and we’ll see what they do with them.

They used their first two picks in this past draft on defense, and I thought their defense has been noticeably better. I did a radio spot with a Cleveland-based station and they seemed pretty distraught over the entire team, so maybe that’s just me.

I think they could have played a little harder last week, I watched that game back and they looked pretty miserable for most of the game. I love Jabaal Sheard and Joe Haden, for their sake, they shouldn’t have let Matt Roth go, but this draft has to be focused on getting a playmaker on offense. There’s no one to fear in that offense.

by Neal Coolong on Dec 28, 2011 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont know how far their offense can go with McCoy

I’m not really sure he can get the ball to them anyway. Plus he’s more of a West-Coast offense guy, and they really need to stretch the field more.

Maybe they can use one of those 1st rounders on RGIII and later on draft his buddy Kendall Wright.

Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  


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