Thoughts and Ramblings After Pittsburgh's 35-7 Win Over Cincinnati In Week 13
That was easily the most dominating performance of the year for the 9-3 Steelers. All three phases of the game came up with big plays and they all fed off each other.
Championship football is what you see in the second quarter of this game (minus the Bengals only touchdown of the game). Definitely a step in the right direction, heading into the always-unpredictable Thursday Night game.
- There are far more knowledgeable Steelers historians on this site than I, but I think even they would have a hard time remembering a better overall special teams performance. Barely over two years ago, the special teams unit caved in, giving Kansas City a huge upset over Pittsburgh. Now, it won the Steelers a huge divisional game.
- I loved how physical this game was. A great late-season test of strength. The Steelers just had more of it later in the game. Early, though, Cincinnati was laying the wood, especially in their beaten-up secondary. Every pass Roethlisberger threw was contested.
- The Steelers blew the Bengals out mostly due to a few special teams plays and just an overall advantage in the talent department. It wasn't without a gutty effort from the the Bengals, though. On Antonio Brown's catch-and-run in the first quarter, two defensive linemen - Michael Johnson and Manny Lawson - are in hot pursuit of Brown 40 yards down the field, and Thomas Howard is right there as well.
- That being said, Steelers first trip in the red zone. Four plays, four rushes, 15 yards and a touchdown. Lemme repeat that. The Steelers did not throw the ball once in four plays inside the Bengals 20 yard line. Redman and Mendenhall ran hard, the line blocked hard. Seven-rip good guys.
- Even better, the next sequence of plays: Huge special teams tackle by Curtis Brown, great pass break-up by Ike Taylor, botched screen that Keenan Lewis would have stuffed for a yard or two, great coverage down field leads to Ziggy Hood tackling Andy Dalton for two yard gain. Get off our field. Don't think for a second playing strong, physical football does not have a trickle-down effect. That was possibly the best sequence of four plays all year, and from four guys you aren't typically talking about after the game.
- The Steelers take that momentum and go for the play fake. Doesn't look like the greatest pass, but ya know what? That works in today's NFL. Put it up every single time you see Mike Wallace in single coverage. The result of the play can end five ways: Incomplete pass, interception, pass interference, defensive holding, reception. There have been far more touchdown passes and penalties on the secondary than there have been interceptions this season. I'll take my chances down the field, provided I can get my guy into single coverage.
- The pass interference set up Red Zone Drive No. 2. Three plays, three carries, touchdown. Fourteen-rip good guys. I'm sensing a trend here. So did the special teams. Sly Sylvester makes Brandon Tate pay for not protecting the ball (and in a small way, for being drafted one spot higher than Mike Wallace. I love pointing that out).
- For those of you keeping score at home, it's now seven red zone plays, seven carries, two touchdowns, a special teams forced fumble and recovery and a defensive 3-and-out. After the turnover, an Antonio Brown run from the 21 (just outside the red zone) sets up the first red zone pass, a play-action that brought eight Bengals defenders within three yards of the line of scrimmage. There are four Steelers behind them running patterns. It doesn't take Johnny Unitas to throw for six on that play, and all of it was set up because of the Steelers willingness to run the ball in the red zone. Yes, I'm sure you're sick of reading me write that, but I feel my complaints last week were addressed in this week's game plan.
- You can't argue with 3-for-3 in the red zone, especially when there's 10 minutes left in the first half.
- You can see both the high level of focus of the Steelers as well as the return-to-earth dejection of the Bengals by this point in the game. The Steelers were obviously excited to have jumped out to such a big lead, but they're also fully aware the Bengals are perfectly comfortable being behind. They can come back on anyone. Pittsburgh ratcheted up the intensity even more, looking to finish their opponents off.
- That, by the way, is what championship teams do.
- Kudos to the Steelers coaching staff. From this point until the game was out of reach in the fourth quarter, they did not call the game like it was 21-0, or 35-7. They called it like it was 7-7. Stepped on their throats, made sure they were dead.
- Part of that was due to the fact they know Cincinnati isn't aware of the fact they're less talented. A beautifully executed 80 yard drive in response to the Steelers 21-0 run proves it.
- Pittsburgh's response? Great special teams tackle by Curtis Brown, poor throw by Dalton, big-time hit by Polamalu on Green (very close to a Clark interception) and Brett Keisel running Dalton down like he just stole his beard shampoo, forcing an awkward throw to complete the 3-and-out. Pittsburgh didn't use a timeout, and got the ball back.
- FYI, blocking in the back means exactly that. You have to hit the guy square in the back, and the shoulder is not a part of the back. Hit 'em outside the shoulder blades, as Coach Babich would say. Oh, and Antonio Brown wasn't touched. Great block by Bryant McFadden.
- I really don't want to get into this, but I absolutely hate watching Brown dance. Hood's Peewee Herman "Tequila" impression was enough to make me want to vomit too. Personally, I'm a fan of a good ol' 90 mph fastball into the back wall of the end zone. Dancing sucks.
- What is "stepping on the throat" in the non Suh-sense in the NFL? It's forcing a 3-and-out when up 14-0, running the punt back for a TD with under two minutes left in the first half, making yet another big special teams tackle, and getting a sack (Harrison, who was blocked by <muffled laughter> Jermaine Gresham), and stuffing a screen for a yard gain (Timmons). It was about the equivalent of Drago throwing Rocky back in his own corner after round 1.
- Again, I'll nod to the historians to debate, but I'll submit Quarter 2, Bengals at Steelers, Week 13, 2011 as one of the best 15 minutes of execution in recent memory. And that includes them even allowing a touchdown. Any arguments?
- One of the more fun aspects of the Steelers defense is how offensive-based it is. On Harrison's second sack, he stunts to his inside, trying to draw a blocker away from James Farrior, who is on a delayed middle blitz. Farrior smashes into Harrison's back, and the added weight overwhelms LG Nate Livings, who lets both of them get to the quarterback. If you flipped it around, it was a great block by Farrior, allowing Harrison to run for an additional 10 yards.
- Turnovers and big plays highlighted this game, but quietly beneath that was a dominant running performance by both Mendenhall and Redman. Thursday night could very well see 40+ carries from Pittsburgh. Cue the slew of comments about Arians in 2009 against Cleveland from the Keystone Lighters on BTSC (Arians jokes are like Keystone Light. So cheap, so wrong, yet, so delicious and smooth).
- Four-for-four in the red zone, two rushing touchdowns, two passing touchdowns. So much good tape for opponents to digest, the Steelers offense is getting back to that level of balance necessary to keep defenses guessing. And right at the perfect time too. With four games to go - three of them at home - the Steelers are in a great spot as far as the post-season is concerned.
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Nice write up..
Anyone realise that three Steeler tightends made at least one receptions in yesterdays game (Heath 2, Saunders and Johnson one a piece)..has this ever happened before with the Steelers?
Just thought I’d throw that out there..
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 5, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions
I’m certain it has. It is good to see Ben spreading the ball around, get the ball in the hands of all our weapons.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
You’d have to dig back into the day quite a bit, but if someone told me now that’s the first time it’s happened, I wouldn’t be surprised. The Steelers haven’t played 3-TE formations consistently, and in the recent past, when they have, it was Trai Essex reporting as eligible. I don’t believe they’ve had three TEs they’ve thrown the ball to, but in-game injuries and stuff like that may have happened.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
3 TE's and the Steelers
The true, three TE formation is not something that the Steelers have used too commonly. I know and this is going back, that in 1992 Bill Cowher was looking forward to using 3 TE Sets with Eric Green, Adrian Cooper, and Russ Campbell (a rookie), but that never really took off, and then Campbell got hurt.
They also tinkered with 3 TE’s with Starks in ‘07 and ’08, but as you say, those don’t “count.”
Not sure if you want to include times when they had Mark Bruner, Jeremy Tuman, and Matt Crushing.
Either way, this is the first time they’ve been able to do it with any consistency.
by Hombre de Acero on Dec 5, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
man, you're good
How do you remember this stuff?
I'm bored, so I did a little research
The answer is. The first game against the Bengals this season. (I wasn’t going to look any further than this season)
Miller 3
Saunders 1
Johnson 1
and on top of that both Mendy and Redman had a reception.
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Actually happened in the Indy game too
Miller 5
Saunders/Johnson 1 a piece.
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Thanks for researching and..
I’m glad you didn’t have to go to far back.
Not sure why this stood out to me in yesterdays game and not the other two mentioned. Well anyways, it’s nice to see everyone contribute. Great to finally have more than just a handful of offensive weapons on our team.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 5, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, it was worth looking up. You piqued my curiosity. The reason I wouldn’t go further back is because on yahoo, if you click your team, it shows all the games from the season. I could just open each one’s box score. I wouldn’t really know how to find last season etc that easily.
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been trying to think of..
our past TE combo’s..well trio’s that might of done this in a single game and I honesty can’t think of any. The best chance would of been Grossman and Cunningham plus whomever might of been the third te (if any) on the roster at the time because Bruener was seldom used and Tuman and Cushing were in the same situation as Bruener.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 5, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Grossman, Cunningham & Larry Brown?
Larry Brown was still playing tight end for at least Cunningham’s first year. He’s known as a blocker (and an offensive tackle), but he caught more than a few big passes.
Grossman, Cunningham and Brown....
all had receptions against the Chiefs back in ’79. Brown was listed as a tackle eligible. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197911110kan.htm
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 5, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Arians jokes are like Keystone Light. So cheap, so wrong, yet, so delicious and smooth
Hilarious! Not that you will get any from me, any more than I would drink Keystone Light : )
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 5, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You and me both =)
Hence the reason I don’t make Arians jokes. Well, I guess I did last week, but that 4th and 2 play was ridiculous. He deserves praise for this game, as well as most others this year.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
yes
genius.
Rec’d on that alone, but a fantastic write up all together, one befitting the Steelers great game
by SteelerBuddha on Dec 5, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
And great article, Neal!
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 5, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions
Good post; lots of valid points.
Agree that the 2nd quarter was the strongest Steeler effort in quite some time. But even though our scoring was concentrated in a relatively short period of the game, the Black and Gold played strong for 60 minutes and didn’t let the Bengals up off the mat. When we play like that and don’t turn the ball over, nobody can beat us.
I will mention it again
That 93 yard drive by Ben was orgasmic!
I can watch it again and again and again and again………..
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Love dancing
The Ziggy Hood dance cracked me up.
Side note, I was just remembering that I read on the Cincy Jungle about the “passing of the guard” in the AFC North with the Steelers falling off into years of losing. And I saw how much all their fans loved that idea and would enjoy seeing our “arrogant” fans suffer. Those guys are making it difficult for me not to gloat.
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Our fan’s are incredibly arrogant…
But the idea of us becoming a bottom dweller is ridiculous. As long as there are still Rooneys on this planet, the Steelers will be successful.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
When I say we are the best team in the world, it’s not arrogant, because it is true.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Of course it is :)
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with you though about a lot of our fans
I think the recent success has swollen the already large Steeler nation, and bandwagoners tend to be loud, obnoxious, and not terribly knowledgeable.
I expected it with PIT- it’s also been happening this season with my beloved Niners.
I WILL say though that many of the best-informed, and most loyal fans I’ve ever talked to are Steelers fan, and that the level of discussion around here is better than pretty much any other site…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Loyal we are...
…almost to a fault. Spoiled too. Arrogant, well, yes and no. Sometimes, our expectation of success, based on our history of success, can be construed as arrogance; other times, we can be one arrogant S.O.B Nation.
That said, I’ll return the compliment you paid to this site; at least in the limited time I’ve read your posts, for a fan of an opposing team, you’ve had good comments, give and took good smack-talk.
It should be a wild and crazy game in San Fran.
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Thank you
Agreed on the Monday Night game.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 6, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
don't forget good drafting
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
Same crap we've been hearing from Bungle fans for years.
They get a new QB and win a few games and suddenly they’re the new force in the NFL. Invariably, they crash back to earth and Bengals jerseys go on sale in January. It’s actually become quite comical by now.
Except that this time
I think they have a better chance to back it up. I think they will end the year respectable, and with their boatload of picks, thanks to Oakland, they will have the tools (in the literal, not figurative sense lol) to really compete in the AFC North, which is really saying something. Does anybody think that they wouldn’t be the top of many of the other divisions in the NFL right now?
And why do I think it will be different this time? Because Marvin Lewis has some actual power now.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 5, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Bengals fans have a lot to be happy about, and an exciting future to contemplate. We would be so lucky if they reverted to the “old” norm, and blew their picks, but I don’t see that happening. Frankly, it makes for more exciting football, having someone other than the Ratbirds to contend with, and hopefully someone else to beat the Ratbirds down, as opposed to it being just the Steelers’ job.
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AFCN will have three nasty teams next season. Dalton is going to get better with his decisions, and he already has the composure.
The only caveat, like the Browns, is that they are cinci.
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
Lewis still has to overcome Mike Brown
and the Bengals have a TON of free agents on both sides of the ball to sort out for next year. Not too many commenters on Cincy Jungle sounding confident about the future right now ;) but then if we had a “GM” like Mike Brown I’d be worried also.
I tend to believe the Bungles are the Bungles and being a Cincinnati fan is a sad, lowly fate.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
+1
When you witness the utter futility in Cincy up close, as I did when I lived there for nearly a decade, it’s difficult to see any substantive FO changes that might change the slow torture of being a Bengals fan. And it’s not easy to import a winning attitude either. Just ask the Cleveland Browns or Washington Redskins.
I live in Minnesota, and I’ve gone through winters where it doesn’t get warmer than -5 degrees the entire month of January.
When it shoots all the way up into the 20s, you wouldn’t believe how excited everyone gets. In comparison to the people in Phoenix, who are seeing lows of 74 degrees in January, they think we’re insane.
The Steelers are the Arizona of this metaphor. The Bengals are Minnesota. Relatively speaking, they get all kinds of excited, because they see -5 way more often than they see 20. When they get 20, they believe it’s 74. We know what 74 is. They do not.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
good anaolgy
and having stayed in both places, i kno what you mean
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Minnesota
I believe I may have mentioned knowing a guy from Winnipeg who moved to Minneapolis because he liked the shorter, warmer winters. I think you get about 4 weeks less winter than we do (in terms of being to stinking cold outside).
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 5, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ziggy's dance cracked me up too.
It was so funny seeing a big man like that doing such a silly dance. That made me laugh for a while, even when they showed it on replays. I’m not a big fan of celebrations, but that one was awesome.
Pee Wee
It looked like Pee Wee Herman’s dance from the movie “Pee Wee’s Big Adventure” to the song “Tequila”. Must admit…even though I hate the dances and agree that it is not about Hip Hop, and it is not all about “me” when a play is made…I did laugh at the thought of Ziggy doing a Pee Wee Herman dance.
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by The 58 Standard on Dec 5, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wesley Saunders is going to be a weapon in this offense ...
He and Miller are going to be a load in the red zone going fwd. Still would like to see what this D looks like with a healthy Woodley and Deebo. I don’t think i would play Woodley against the Browns on Thursday. I’d give that Hamstring another two weeks until the Monday night game against the 49ers.
by datruth4life2.0 on Dec 5, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions
Agreed entirely on Saunders.
If he wasn’t an immature kid he could well have been a first rounder out of college. Of course he was immature and got booted from South Carolina and ended up with us.
Hope that he can become the “tall receiver” that Ben has been yearning for since Burress left. He has the size and the athleticism.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes
things just go your way.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t remember exactly why he was even suspended, I think it was something to do with a trip he took.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
there was an NCAA probe about him getting “improper benefits”, heavily discounted hotel fares or something. But it says he was kicked off the team by Spurrier for different reasons. I can’t find specifics
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A lot of things happened
he made some bad decisions, he took a trip, got hotel paid for, got suspended then went on a local radion show and complained about it and it got him kicked off the team.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
What a silly boy.
Hopefully he’s maturing and keeps making plays on the field.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
There was an article on Saunders...
…I think on Bleacher Report how he has viewed his transgressions, and has turned his punishment into positive motivation.
Don’t ever want to wish someone to stray from the path of proper behaviour, but the Steelers may have lucked out on this.
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We definitely lucked out. How many other UDFAs make an impact their Rookie year? Plus it finally made us cut Spaeth.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Weslye Saunders unknowingly took a trip the NCAA didn’t allow him to take, but he dared lie to the NCAA to protect his friends.
Then he had the audacity to question the use of the NCAA in the first place. If all of that cost him his senior season and a draft selection, then I say…I could imagine caring less.
That’s not a character issue, that’s a control issue from a faceless, useless organization that keeps its tax-exempt status by continuing to discipline “bad seeds” like Saunders.
Eff the NCAA, eff college sports, welcome to where you belong Wes, just sorry the N-C-Double-A$$holes cost you a few million bucks. Hopefully the Steelers will make it up to you.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Wow, a nerve got touched there...
…but I don’t disagree with you. The SI article earlier this year opened my eyes to the sham that is the NCAA, at least as it pertains to football.
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the NCAA is an incredibly problematic organization
major money in college sports in general creates a serious conflict of interest. It’s not that the games aren’t great to watch, and this probably isn’t the forum to get into it extensively, but I DO agree that you are right Neal, that the NCAA is…non-ideal.
As to Saunders, he is why you want a solid team, with a strong foundation- so that you can occasionally roll the dice on a talented kid with an imperfect past, and see if they can succeed. I think they did with him.
I STILL want a large receiver though; wish Sweed had turned into the guy he could have been.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
could not
have said it better myself.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 5, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Worilds has been playing a lot better. I wouldn’t mind letting Woodley heal a bit more
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
this
Worlids has been holding the point better and thusly being better against the run. We’ll be ok without him for the browns.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Plus, the team needs to evaluate him in more real-game situations, to see if he’s in their future plans. Right now, he has shown enough good for the answer to not be no, but he hasn’t shown enough for it to be a definite yes.
Playing him against the Browns should give the team a better idea; crazy what problems the Steelers have had with linebackers this year, given how durable most of them have been for a long time.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
You have the Coach Speak down pat...
…
Right now, he has shown enough good for the answer to not be no, but he hasn’t shown enough for it to be a definite yes.
but Coach Tomlin reached a new level with his “We’re dead Indians to his [Josh Cribbs] cowboy movie” at his press conference today.
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Thanks
Re the comment today: Wow.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Saunder
Has better moves than Heath. Get him in the open field and he makes people miss. Heath just want’s to run over you.
plus
Heath has had, imo, a kind of shaky season. Way more drops and penalties this year. Not that I’d want to lose him but he’s really not been the Heath we know and love.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Shaky by his standards
Yes. But, those are pretty high standards. Is his contract up this year?
It seems like tight ends are becoming increasingly valuable commodities, but also pretty easy to get through the draft. Miller’s been very good, but I agree with IronJake- it’s gonna be an interesting off season.
The upside to his bad year: He might be easier to re-sign, and therefore affordable.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
NCAA etc
I agree with Neal on the NCAA, but back to business. He’s a wonderful receiver, but can he block? Is he Heath or Matt Spaeth?
he has
been working on his blocking. In training camp he said that was what he needed to work the hardest on, and with Miller beside him he could learn a lot.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 6, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Tunchin Ilkin
If you check out Chalk Talk, you will see Tunch pointing out a key block by Saunders on the first TD.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 7, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
dancing
I dont mind but i despise watching AB and Man sanders imitate santonio holmes of all people with the point and drop the football maneuver. If your going to imitate someone make it the ever present professional Hines Ward, not wake and bake holmes.
I would love for one of them to do the grin after every play
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Precisely
There is definitely a little bit more arrogance in young money than i personally like to see but in the modern NFL arrogance tends to come with success. I feel like AB is always on the verge of doing something to get a taunting penalty but hes afraid of coach T’s wrath so he holds it in.
Let ’em dance!
Just 2 young pros having the time of their lives living out their childhood fantasy.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of..
the after the play antics and after every play Brown makes and does the ball drop, I cringe and wait for a delay of game flag…I believe its coming and I hope it don’t come at a crucial time of a game.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 5, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I never get the impression
that Browny is showing anyone up, or being arrogant. I just get the impression that he is very enthusiastic, having the time of his life, and excited as hell that he’s making an impact in the NFL the way he is. Especially considering he was the 195th player taken in the draft.
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Browny
could probably poopoo in your froot loops and you would praise his technique and form….just kidding i have noticed that you like everything he brings to the table and i have to agree on that front, its just an opinion I have, I never played football so I tend to look at the responses of the players from a baseball player point of view, there just isnt that much emotion in the sport that i grew up playing.
that's true, baseball and football celebrations are totally different
in baseball you can’t even watch a homerun ball or leave to the batters box too slowly. I can’t imagine the retaliation if a guy started doing a dance in the box after crushing one.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
remember when
that guy blew a kiss at the pitcher after a home run?!?! lol too funny
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
was it you that made the “is Antonio Brown more valuable than Mike Wallace” post or am i confusing you with somebody else??
Yes and no
I didn’t put it exactly like that, but yes, I suggested Brown’s role was becoming more important than Wallace’s. I’ve been saying all year, though, that crown is gonna get passed back and forth. Thought Wallace played a helluva game in all aspects.
It’s a fun problem to have.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
correction, what I wrote was if the Steelers had a No. 1 receiver, it was Brown, not Wallace. That was in late October.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Its Only "Fun" Problem to have IF...
…Guy’s don’t start getting too worried about their carries and numbers as such.
by Hombre de Acero on Dec 5, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
and money
hopefully they see that they are best when together, which is why I like the fact that they have all bonded together as ‘young money’ makes it hard to leave.
So let them have their fun otherwise they may have their fun elsewhere.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Like, a fan post?
No, that wasn’t me. I may have said in a comment that Brown was better at that particular time, but I don’t believe one is more valuable than the other at all. It’s great to have both of them, and Sanders and Saunders too. That’s a lot of great young talent. Then you got the elder statesmen…This could be a powerful offense for some time if all goes well.
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I don't know if someone made a post about it
But a lot of us have been saying that
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
A ravens fan did I think
Yeah here it is
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2011/11/2/2533395/lardarius-webb-thinks-antonio-brown-is-better-than-mike-wallace
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Great thread. Alot of Torrey hate the few days prior to him dumping on your secondary to win the game.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
he dumped on our secondary
by dropping about 4 balls in that game. Prior to that catch he was close to being our MVP that day.
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Shoulda coulda woulda……..but he didn’t.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
this
he got a flag in the preseason for hanging on the railing in the endzone like he is spider man, ever since that game, he has toed the line. Tomlin will get on you quick.
But unlike tone I think these guys respond positively to discipline. Thats just my sense of it.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I still contend if he had not gotten STUCK on the fence he jumped on, he wouldn’t have gotten a flag.
pretty embarrassing
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and no
He learned his lesson, and, slightly inappropriate aside, the wall-crawling bit was pretty cool
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 7, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wish alot more guys would just do the Barry Sanders when they punch it in, but it's not gonna happen
I’m waiting for a guy to somehow “sell” his endzone dance to a corporate sponsor and them build a whole ad campaign around……then again now that I’m typing this, I guess Aaron Rodgers has sorta started this already.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
It was entertaining to watch Rodgers do it
Before it took off. Now, it irritates me when people do it; sort of like Tebowing. If you live in GB, I imagine it gets old, but I gotta ask:
If you live in GB, how the hell are you a Steelers fan, and why aren’t you a Packers fan?
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed
And he said something elsewhere that confirmed that, but man…having to live in GB and not being a Packers fan is the equivalent of being in Boston and disliking the BoSox, or, you know, Pittsburgh, and not being a Steelers fan.
Some cities care more about their teams, and I’d put those three at the top of any list.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Someone already tried the corporate sponsored endzone dance
The NFL nixed that one immediately. Not sure if you remember Brent Celek a year or two ago. The Captain Morgan thing.
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I think the entire wisconsin area is intentionally mocking me, I moved up to green bay and the packers decide all of a sudden they are good and beat my steelers in the super bowl, then the brewers proceed to pound the doodoo out of my cardinals in the regular season (we got revenge in the playoffs), then I go buy a new truck and aaron rogers proceeds to make a commercial where he drives a truck identical to my own around wisconsin waving at all the cheeseheads…WTF Wisconsin.
hahaha the truck part is the crown on top of the king of ownage that wiscahnsin has sent to you. to wake up every morning with.
I feel absolutely horrible for you
All Vikings fans are Packers fans now. They’re everywhere.
To be fair, though, Matthews is one of the biggest dancing culprits on that team, and he doesn’t do his as often as he used to.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Funny thing is, I moved here from Seattle…lol… The end result was much more satisfying out there.
by jat2339 on Dec 5, 2011 12:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
one of the biggest suspected hgh culprits on that team too, it’ll be interesting to see what players shrink when they finally get hgh testing in.
While I agree with you in principle
I think the question will be “Which players DON’T shrink?”
I love the Steelers, I love my Niners, but if I had to place bets on which guys performance are fueled by everything-that’s-legal-and-then-some, there would seem to be candidates on both teams.
While I don’t advocate cheating, in a league this competitive, where the line between victory and defeat is narrow, something that helps you heal quickly, recover faster, and build muscle that DOESN’T get tested for?!? I have a hard time seeing many guys turn their backs on that…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I have been thinking
that people seem to be taking longer to heal this season or not healing as well as in the past. I don’t have any specifics so it may be I am just more impatient now. Then again maybe more players are not illegally doping than in the past.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 5, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Noticing that too
Maybe we both lack patience?
Seriously though, the prevalence of hamstring and achilles tendon injuries speaks to players either not being flexible enough, or, having enough musculature in the area that their flexibility is physiologically inhibited.
It’s certainly possible that this is due to HGH enhanced muscle mass in those areas, but I guess it’s also possible that they are just huge dudes who need to learn to take stretching more seriously.
That said, the league doesn’t WANT to test for HGH- they know enhanced performances draw viewers, just like MLBaseball ignored it in the nineties when dudes in their 30’s mysteriously added twenty pounds of muscle in an off-season.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 6, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think the lack of offseason activity has anything to do with this?
The lock-out and contract haggling kept some guys from pre-season workouts. Maybe that’s also part of the issue?
Anything that significant
has probably had some effect.
I think a lot of these guys are reliant on trainers and coaches to push them, rather than being informed on a deeper level about taking care of their bodies.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 6, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with emotion
I just think dancing looks stupid.
Barry Sanders tossing the ball to the official is not the gold standard of end zone celebrations, but to me, this is a heavy metal sport, not a hip hop sport, and fits of neanderthal-like aggression fit better than whatever the hell it is Brown does.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
The reason Barry Sanders just handed it to the ref
was because 98% of his touchdowns just cut the other teams lead by 1/3
Just kidding obviously
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by FrankWyt on Dec 5, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
It’s cause it happened frequently enough that he was probably too winded to celebrate. An 80 yard run takes a lot out of you when you have to shake 8 or 9 guys along the way. Plus, with his lateral movement, it was probably more like 120 yards.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
+1
That will be one of my everlasting memories of Heinz – no matter how hard the hit, he always comes up smiling.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
We already saw AB's dance and I for one am glad he retired it.
Ziggy needs a new two yards allowed dance.
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by SNW on Dec 5, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
AB's dance is my favorite
I laugh every time I see it. LOL!
One of the great disappointments of a football game is that the cheerleaders never seem to get injured.
I love
penguins
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 6, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
how do you prepare them?
How long does it take to cook one?
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 7, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
With a red wine reduction
bake at 350 degrees for 30 min. a pound or until center reaches 160 degrees. Serve with a side of honey glazed cayenne carrots
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 7, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Love that you noted several times about them not letting up yesterday
I made the remark when we got up 21-0, “now just watch, we’ll go into an offensive shell and end up winning 24-21.”
Glad they kept their foot on the gas, it does have a trickle down effect and is so much easier on the defense when the offense doesn’t go three and out for the whole second half.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions
Thoughts
Love the write up Neal. Wanted to follow up on a couple of your thoughts.
I loved how physical this game was. A great late-season test of strength. The Steelers just had more of it later in the game. Early, though, Cincinnati was laying the wood, especially in their beaten-up secondary. Every pass Roethlisberger threw was contested
Through the first quarter, I was actually worried, as it looked like we were getting pushed around on both sides of the ball. Bengals generated consistent pressure and we were getting little push. What made it strange was all those years were you could count on us being the most physical team on the field pretty much every game, despite the results of this game, I do think that dynamic has begun to change in the AFC north. I think we beat the Bengals the first time this year because we were the more talented team, not because we were the more physical team. Having said that, the last three quarters we were more talented and more physical – a truly dangerous combo.
Even better, the next sequence of plays: Huge special teams tackle by Curtis Brown, great pass break-up by Ike Taylor, botched screen that Keenan Lewis would have stuffed for a yard or two, great coverage down field leads to Ziggy Hood tackling Andy Dalton for two yard gain. Get off our field. Don’t think for a second playing strong, physical football does not have a trickle-down effect. That was possibly the best sequence of four plays all year, and from four guys you aren’t typically talking about after the game.
Yes, yes, yes and yes! To follow up on that and what I wrote above, I believe we saw a very physical game from our bench. Heyward simply willed the blocked field goal with insane push, Sylvester, Brown, Allen and B-Mac ALL looking like freshmen trying to make the squad on special teams, Worilds despite no numbers to show for it played hard and it was nice to see him jumping at the bit to be allowed back in the game, Isaac Redman out there doing his best Jerome Bettis impersonation between the tackles, bowling guys over, not going down, carrying 5 guys 5 yards on his back AND doing some nice pass blocking on the blitz AND notching a nice tackle on Special Teams, Jonathan Dwyer doing his best Isaac Redman impersonation when he touched the ball AND when he didn’t.
The fact that we won this game on special teams shows me that bottom of this roster is getting hungry. Yesterday they fought over little scraps of playing time like a pack of rabid Heynas and it accounted for an almost perfect quarter of football. Love it, it just love it.
Wonderful game summation
My favorite line:
the Bengals are perfectly comfortable being behindhilarious
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"They timed it perfectly, they just went too soon." - Darrell Waltrip commenting on an illegal restart.
It didn’t sound nearly as bad in my head when I wrote it…
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't bad...
…the Bengals have proven this year that they can come back, so they don’t panic, and thus are comfortable being behind, because they know they have the weapon(s) to make a comeback.
Great write-up
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
nice write up
had fun listening to the game on the radio yesterday, about the best I can do up here in the mountains.
one little correction, we actually have two road games left (SF and Cleveland), maybe a little wishful thinking on your part! I wouldn’t mind not having to travel to SF for the west coast game, but at least we get 11 days between the Browns Thursday night and the Niners on the following week’s Monday night game (and maybe the Niners with an incentive to bench the starters).
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
think he holds a grudge from the 95 AFC conference championship?
and do you wonder if the Harbaugh sibling rivalry centered on who could be the biggest jerkwad?
"I respect everyone on the football field. But some people I don't like. And some people I dislike even more." - James Harrison
by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I looked it up. last few minutes of that game :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5hxVk9XdUE
and guess who was in the defensive backfield.
Carnell Lake,
Syncronicity....
….We can torque off two Harbaugh’s with one win in San Fran (once we get past Cleveland Thursday).
Imagine what bitter nectar Johnny H will have to swallow then, knowing his Ratbirds can’t let another (Seattle, Jags, Titans) game occur.
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Reps
Great write-up Neal. I think it was pretty clear that Charlie Batch needs some reps. Be nice to see Dwyer get 10 or so carries against the Brownies with their 29th ranked defense. Love the hunger by Brown and Sylvester on special teams, and it appears that we have a punter that can really kick.. We need a healthy Woodley for the playoffs, but Worilds seems to be getting comfortable in that position. Potsi got beat a couple times, so inside is still a concern. In Bengal-land I don’t think they will sell out this weekend against Houston. Fans seem to be in “Same old Bengal mode” on this rainy day.
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The standard for Steeler football is #58. Me
by The 58 Standard on Dec 5, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Ok, am I the only one convinced Kapinos is on steroids?
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Something
Hans and Franz would say must have “pumped him up” or he REALLY wants this job.
"The standard is the standard." Mike Tomlin
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by The 58 Standard on Dec 5, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
the Browns game should be a good scrimmage
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
I wouldn’t take it too lightly, After the ratbirds put up over 200 yards rushing, I’m sure they’ll do their best not to let that happen again – at least not as bad. It’s gonna be a tough game, and glad to hear Tomlin put up a sign in the locker room about 2 games in short order.
One plus is its at home…otherwise, that 2009 game in CLE still is a haunting memory. I think the D can get some playing time in for the young guys, let the older guys get some reps and then rest…
But you’re right, the O needs to go full speed ahead, because their pass D is nothing to sneeze at.
But you keep pulling out your "refs-threw-the-game" card if that’s what you need for catharsis. You can use that card after every loss. It is a lifetime pass. Get it laminated. -Maryrose
understatement
“that 2009 game in CLE still is a haunting memory.”
Good luck keeping Antonio Brown around after his rookie contract is up. That dude is setting himself up for a BIG payday.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
He, Wallace, Pouncey, Worilds.
All will want to get their P.
Why is the "football" not round and thrown around?
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace and Pouncey will be back for sure.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I hope they all come back. But the salary cap is quite the dickens, hopefully some of the older guys restructure or retire before we need to sign the youngsters.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Steelers salary cap # this year is insane also. You guys are going to be cleaning house big time this offseason. I forgot what the money # was, but I know it is out the roof.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Well, Hines is gone (if we win SB), Smith is gone.
That’s quite a lot gone right there. But we will definitely need to work something out somewhere, or cut the fat.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
or cut the fat.
So bye bye Big Ben and Jerrys?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Terrance Cody.
Why is the "football" not round and thrown around?
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
That hurts his feelings.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
So does you saying he will never be a good pro and that he would become the fattest person to ever play in the NFL.
Yes, I do remember something you said in 2009.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I said he would be the fattest in the league, not be good. We had this discussion already and you ended up looking like a dumb dumb afterward.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I never look like a dumb dumb.
I love Cody though, wanted us to draft him. But we got Pouncey and Worilds in that part of the draft.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Two words
Gilbert Brown.
Cody is in the competition for girthiest NFL player, but Brown was listed at something like 340, and clearly was at least 400.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think Cody’s title would just be “biggest titties”
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While I haven't seen
Brown, or other nose tackles without their shirts…I AM prepared to give Cody that particular, umm, distinction.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Foote or Farrior will be gone too
not too worried about the cap, it should jump in 2014
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
For anyone who makes contract predictions years in advance...
I give you…Kendrell Bell!
by Neal Coolong on Dec 5, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Little different though cause of positions. People see a playmaker like Brown and make it rain on him like a monsoon in the Amazon.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Well
and this is from a huge Brown fan: he’s going to have to do better than just one touchdown to get the payday he wants. That’s why I think, if given the financial opportunity, the Steelers should extend his contract in this coming offseason, while there’s still a year left. It’d be interesting to see what they’d be willing to pay him. I think less than he would want, but even if they don’t come to terms, I’d like to think they’d use a franchise tag on him in the 2013 offseason, and then go from there. Hold on until the salary cap skyrockets upward like it’s projected to somewhere in the near future.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 5, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh God
and this is from a huge Brown fan
I should have put
and this is from a huge Antonio Brown fan.
Kills my soul to read what I initially wrote.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 5, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
lol, I thought maybe you had a friend who was a browns fan and that was his astute opinion.
But astute browns fan does not compute.
exactly
and to tell the truth I have never met a Cleveland Browns fan. Hooray!!
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Brown probably wouldn’t sign any extension the Steelers could afford to give him.
Look at Ryan Grant, he signed a long-term low-money deal in Green Bay, and missed the free agent market. He’s pretty much done when his contract in Green Bay is up and he barely made anything.
Brown will wait for an extension before hitting free agency, if he doesn’t get it, then yeah, he’ll test what seems to be a very open market for him.
He will need to score quite a bit more than he has so far this year, though. Can’t justify more than Jordy Nelson money right now (reasonably comparable comp player, low TDs, 15+ yard per catch kind of guy, four years, $13 million)
Yes, I’m aware Bell and Brown play different positions…my point is Steelers fans thought Bell was the next coming of Lambert his rookie year. He played I think like 11 games in the three years that followed, and wasn’t offered an extension.
Not saying that’s going to happen to Brown, just saying lots can happen between now and when his contract’s up. He’s got a year after this one, then he’s restricted, then he can be tagged. So you gotta think optimistically they’ve probably got three years left with him.
Plus, this is the same franchise that drafted him in the 6th round in the first place, who’s to say they can’t find his replacement in one of the next three drafts?
Plus, this is the same franchise that drafted him in the 6th round in the first place, who’s to say they can’t find his replacement in one of the next three drafts?
Very true, and Sanders is still a good player.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Makes trading Santonio for a 5th rounder seem less and less stupid.
I just reminded myself of that, now I’m annoyed.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Trading him was a good idea
I still think they should have gotten more for him though.
I wonder if he misses playing on a GOOD team.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
mentioned something simillar
to a friend yesterday, except I was asking if he missed having a good QB
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by stillergorillar on Dec 5, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have
a Kendrell Bell jersey (97). thought he was going to tear it up for a long time (especially after his pre-season hit on Bettis). Thanks for the memories.
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by The 58 Standard on Dec 5, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
that dude is setting himself up as our #1 receiver
And, although it is sad to say, Hines Ward won’t be around forever. Nice try, though, mr. wishful thinking
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
It is not wishful thinking, it is a real possibility. He is a 6th round pick that has turned into one of the best route runners in the league. I guarantee you a few other teams will offer him more money than you guys will.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Nothing new
Been going on for years that way. Bengals will have trouble retaining Green, and if Smith ever learns how to catch the ball…
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by The 58 Standard on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the way of the NFL, you are right. I don’t see Green leaving, teams don’t usually let their first round picks go very often and even the Bengals know that losing him sets them back immensely.
But when a 6th round pick turns into as good of a player as Brown is, keeping him around is tough.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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It’s all about unexpected spends. In the back of your mind when drafting a first rounder, you expect to be resigning him for big money one day. Whereas for a 6th rounder to turn out this good, you will most likely be thinking of him ending up signing for about vet minimum in the future.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Same thing has happened with the Ravens. We have lost the most players to free agents since 2000 and received the most compensatory picks in that span because so many of our late round picks or UDFA turned into quality players.
Same thing with Pittsburgh, you guys have lost a good amount of those unheralded guys to other teams. (isn’t like half of the Cardinals roster full of former Steelers?)
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Steelers West is just as its name suggests.
Crezdon Butler
Joey Porter
Clark Haggans
Nick Eason
And the coaching staff:
Wisenhunt
Grimm
Horton
Spencer
Townsend
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Butler went over there? Wasn’t he a 4th round pick or so out of Clemson for you guys just a year ago?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Yep, he looked promising too. We had a bit of a logjam for young CB’s the past 2 years, guys like Crezdon were left on the outside with Allen, Brown, Lewis all making the squad.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't keep him
They went with this year’s 4th round pick, Cortez Allen. Seems to have worked so far, Butler’s been hurt much of the year, Allen’s been a nice surprise.
I think Butler is on IR for them.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Butler is on IR
Happened almost as soon as he signed, but Horton was really high on Crez when he was with the Steelers
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How could he be any worse than William Gay?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Gay has stepped his game up a lot this year
he just decided to have his worst game against ya’ll
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
He shouldn’t have been asked to play man like that. He was drafted as a zone corner, that’s his skill.
It’s not like we broke the bank for him or anything. You build championship teams by getting value in low-contract veterans. For the dollar, not a whole lot of teams would flat-out refuse to sign William Gay.
Gay isn’t a bad player…at times.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I thought we were done Gay bashing...
…a month or so ago, when it became apparent in the Pats game that Gay has a narrow, but definite skill set and should not be expected to perform outside of it, but within it he has worked hard and improved.
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Gay is a good player a lot of the time this year.
by steeler fever on Dec 5, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Over past four games
AB has turned into Ben’s favorite receiver. I don’t think (if Ben has a say and you know he does) AB goes in that case. I think the odd man out is Emmanuel Sanders. We will shed some contract $$ in the off-season without a doubt. Question for next year is who gets a franchise tag.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sanders isn’t on the same level as the other 2. Yet.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
it's hard to tell
he hasn’t been out there much.
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Because the other 2 have been so good.
He’s impressed me, but has by no means got on the level of AB and MW.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
He blocks hard, plays hard, and keep in mind, he was the one with all the catches in the playoffs, not Brown. Sanders will make people remember him by the end of the year.
Well
Brown had the two biggest catches of the playoffs last year. Iced both games leading up to the Superbowl.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s hope.
He was great in one of the playoff games, I think it was the Jets game.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sanders is probably set up
to take over the slot when Hines hangs ’em up.
My heros have always been Steelers...
For crying out loud...
…Sanders just came off of surgery, his second this year, and he lost his mother.
It will take him some time to get back into full game mode, and he’ll have to “earn” his way back onto the field under Coach Tomlin, but I’ve liked what I’ve seen so far. In many ways, he’s more Heinz than A. Brown.
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nope
we’re done with him, may as well just release him now ;)
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's my point boss.
It’s hard to tell whether he’s on the same level. I was responding to someone saying that he wasn’t. I wouldn’t say he is or isn’t. I’d say..It’s hard to tell.
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I remember reading about Brown a while ago and how you guys drafted him. Went to go scout Dan Lefeavor out of CMU and Brown ended up impressing your scouts even more.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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AB has been leading yardage receiver in those four
going back five Wallace was leader but only by a few yards
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I really think the Steelers are more likely to keep Brown than Wallace. We’ll see though.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, really? I cannot see that at all.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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agreed
when you look at the other receivers we’ve let go in the past (Plax and Santonio). Wallace could command more $ just on the basis of being a higher draft pick and a deep threat. Of course I’d love to keep them both but it all depends on the cap situation. Maybe Sanders develops into a Wallace mini-me and that frees up the space.
Overall the thing to realize is that in the last decade we’ve drafted some kickass WRs so I don’t think even of AB or Wallace goes we drop off too much in that area.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Your offense takes a HUGE hit if you lose Wallace. That is just my opinion.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Was supposed to without Holmes too
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Deep threats: Cedric Wilson…Nate Washington…Mike Wallace
Possession WR: Ward….
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson and Washington were not anywhere close to as dangerous as Wallace is. He is arguably a top 10 WR in this league, definitely don’t let him go.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Well, Wallace wasn’t playing with a younger Ward and Plax/Tone.
We’ll see though. I’m just speculating.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I am actually very surprised to see any Steeler fans say that Wallace might not be as important to your offense as I (a ratbird) thinks he is.
Very interesting.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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I’m not saying he isn’t important. I just think Brown has been more important.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Because Brown has been putting up so many points.
Wallace has Brown beat in every single category for a receiver
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
So Max Starks isn’t important because he hasn’t scored us any points?
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
C’mon John, you can do better than that.
Wallace has more TDs, yards, 1st downs, 3rd down conversions and receptions.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
No way in the world Wallace has more 3rd down conversions
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I would say
that they complement each other really well. Wallace goes deep well, and draws away coverage.
Brown is good with the short routes, than shaking a defender with incredible lateral quickness, not unlike Santonio used to…
Both allow each other opportunities. I like Wallace, agree that he’s valuable, AND think he still needs to have more games like yesterday, where does more of the things necessary to develop into the WR Tomlin keeps pushing him to be.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
And Wallace has 4 more first downs, despite playing over 240 more snaps.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot to check out snaps, I only looked quickly at the stats.
Wallace and Brown are both great players, but I’m not saying yet that Brown is more important than Wallace.
I do agree on keeping Brown over Wallace if both continue on their current trajectories.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not hating on Wallace, by making that statement. What Wallace does is very important and he is clearly one of the best ever at it. I just think it’d be harder to replace Brown than Wallace. Just my personal opinion.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Tough to say
Brown came up with wallace already installed.
What would have happened if there were no wallace to counter brown?
2nd-9, PIT40 0:48 B. Roethlisberger passed to A. Brown down the middle for 45 yard gain
This put us in the RZ for our first TD.
2nd-8, CIN21 9:27 A. Brown rushed to the right for 9 yard gain
That was a play that got us a first down right before Wallace’s TD.
K. Huber punt. A. Brown returned punt for 60 yard touchdown
Self explanatory.
That’s just a quick look over this game. I don’t have the numbers, but I’d bet Brown has accounted for a lot more 1st downs than Wallace.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think we'll sign both of them
in today’s NFL you just can’t let quality WRs walk. I think the old routine of drafting good WRs and letting them walk are gone. I think the Steelers will pay these guys because the way to win in today’s NFL is on the offense. They’d be foolish to think otherwise.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Second this
In two years, they will be an amazing tandem, and Ward may well be coaching them.
Curious to see what happens with Sanders, actually- if he turns into the guy I think he can be, THEN they have a problem with who to keep. I don’t think they’ll overpay Wallace, but I think they’ll keep him, and so long as Brown remains focused, he’ll play himself into an eventual payday soon too.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
We’ll see. I really think it depends on what Wallace is looking for. We can’t afford another big ticket player.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think we'll get a home town discount
but not by much. He’ll be the only guy getting big money this year. Mendy isn’t going to command much (when is his contract up?). they might just put a 1st and a 3rd round Tender on Wallace.
Brown contract is up next yr? I think we can back load the contract, the cap is suppose to do a serious jump in 2014.
We can work it out, I trust our FO. The say I see it, the only way someone leaves is if they get offered a crazy contract.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
That is why I mentioned his agent
Bus Cook has a history of driving up prices. He got Moss the highest non qb contract in history. I know Moss is special, but no receiver is worth that.
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Well don’t Timmons and Woodley have Rosenhaus? We got them both relatively cheap, right?
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Is 10 (almost 8 minus bonus) million a season average relatively cheap?
Timmons i suppose was relatively cheap.
Isn’t Woodley one of the highest paid OLB’s in the league now?
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Yeah
Doesn’t mean he isn’t worth it though, if he can stay healthy. And, given that Father Time is sneaking up on Harrison, it was crucial to re-sign one of the team’s best pass rushers.
Timmons was paid what I would consider fair market value- he has been very good, but I’m still waiting to see just a little more out of him. He is freakishly athletic, but at times, he doesn’t look incredibly instinctual.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not disputing Woodley’s worth, I’ve defended him against other BTSCers many times. I’m just saying that I don’t consider him relatively cheap. He is making what a player of his value should make, based on the market.
I feel the same way about Timmons too. Timmons hasn’t ever been a player that demands attention the way Harrison and Wood do for their “sexy” stats. Timmons has a job to do, and he does it to perfection most of the time.
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pass rushers get PAID.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Woodley has the most sacks in the last 3 years or something like that, right? But, we got him for less than a few big name pass rushers went for this off season. So, that’s why I used “relatively”.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
noooooo not even close. Whether you’re going from 2010 backward, or this year backward, either way, it’s Ware by a long shot. 60.5 since 08, compared to 44 for Woodley.
But all I’m saying is, Woodley got top LB money. Bus Cook is in all likelihood going to be trying to get Wallace top WR money too.
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I can't remember what the stat was
But it was something crazy like that. I hardly ever count Ware because all he does is rush the passer. He barely drops into coverage, like Suggs and Jared Allen
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't he get less than Hali got?
If so, that works for us since Woodley is, in my opinion, better than Hali.
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Not sure
I tried just finding salaries in a list, but even those don’t mean shit because they are all structured differently, so it’s difficult to gauge by yearly pay, or even over all “face value” So I said F it.
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Why can't we keep both?
Hines is gone and so will be Cotchery.
We can cut Sanders if needed.
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Hines, Cotchery and Sanders combined probably don’t add up to what Wallace/Brown will command from other teams.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Well…..we will worry about that when it has to happen.
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by Han on Dec 5, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Cotchery only counts 600k against the cap
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Why so sure that Cotchery will be gone?
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up and down
would be the definition of his season. He’s been invaluable to us in some games, and invisible in others. He’s only on a one year contract(?) so it would be hard to imagine him being back unless he really steps it up late season and playoffs.
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
He's not really counted on
But it’s always good to have a cheap veteran on the team that could step up
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yea agreed, he's cheap and seems like the kind of guy who's trying to WIN instead of get paid
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I think he want’s success, not money.
Anybody know what kind of contract he had with the Jets?
not sure
but the Jets have almost 4 million in dead money because of him.
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Just asking. If he’s already got a decent bank account, he might realize he’s not gonna get the big contracts, and would be satisfied with what he has.
If the
info on one of the sites I found was correct, he got a 7 million dollar signing bonus before the 2010 season. It’s more likely that it was spread out over his 4 year contract. His base salary was 1.8million a year, so it is more likely that didn’t come in 2010 alone.
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don't get me wrong
I think on balance he’s been a good addition. Certainly we saw in the AFCCG against us last year the threat he can be. But really who steps up in the last quarter of season and playoffs is who deserves the roster spot, and this is about a roster spot after all. Considering the last two years how difficult it seemed to get down to 53, we have a difficult (but nice) problem in this regard. Baron Batch still waiting in the wings for next year?
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Let's wait until B. Batch proves himself more in camp...
…before handing him a helmet. I’m hoping he does succeed, but its too early yet to anoint him.
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Agree
But I think he will.
Look for him to earn MeMo’s spot, the team to get younger at the position, and I suspect Dwyer will finally make good on his exceptional talent.
Also, in a year, there is a reasonable chance Rashard is employed elsewhere.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Also, in a year, there is a reasonable chance Rashard is employed elsewhere.
What makes you think that? He’s probably not gonna command mega dollars once he hits the market.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
He probably won't
But he will still command established and sometimes-very-good veteran money.
I suspect the team will decide to go younger and cheaper in the draft, and see who steps up between Dwyer and Batch.
I like Mendenhall, I just don’t see him in black and gold if I had to guess.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Batch at his absolute ceiling is a Sproles type guy
Not an lead back.
Maybe Dwyer steps up, but I doubt it. You may be right, he just seems like a guy we shouldn’t have any problem resigning if they really wanted him.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Batch, I think
could be an upgrade, and play a similar role to Moore.
I hope you’re wrong about Dwyer- he looked good against the Titans, and he has a ton of talent if he wants to take the game seriously, and stay in shape.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Batch may one day end up being a upgrade over Moore but he’s not an everydown back.
As for Dwyer, I just refuse to put any faith in a professional athlete, especially one at a skill position that relies on speed/quickness, who can’t manage his own weight.
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by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just out of curiosity
How can you make that judgement on someone that has zero game experience? Not even in the pre-season. Did you see something we didn’t in training camp?
One other question. What exactly does “every down back” mean these days?
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Isn't this all about projections??
I was responding to someone saying that he’ll be an upgrade next year and might allow Mendy to walk. He had an opinion and I was expressing mine.
To me an every down back is someone’s who capable of ‘doing it all’ and a big part of that is being able t run between the tackles, especially in short yardage situations. In my opinion, that’ll never be part of Batch’s game. That doesn’t mean he can’t be extremely valuable and there are always exceptions to the rule (McCoy or MFaulk), but to me a guy who’s primarily an edge runner and weapon out of the backfield, isn’t an every down back.
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by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just asking how you are so sure he isn’t when he hasn’t really put anything on tape. It would be hard to judge based off his college stuff, because TT is pass first, pass second, pass third, then maybe run.
But either way. If Mendy were to leave, we wouldn’t need him to be “the man”. We could do what almost every other great offense in the NFL right now does. Redman, Batch, and whoever for whatever situation they are needed for.
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Not sure
Just my thought…especially if they have to keep Brown and are tight on money.
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by Han on Dec 5, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Barring hold outs
Sanders and Brown are there till 2012. Hampton’s very high salary will be off the books then, as well as Farrior and Foote.
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I think we love our young receivers, therefore assume they’ll all ask for Andre Johnson money.
None of them put up stats even close to the vicinity of someone Pittsburgh couldn’t afford down the line. Maybe they will, but the passing game is so balanced between all of them, none could ask for more than like 5-year, $35 million (Wallace being the only one now who could get that). Maybe that changes, I dunno, but right now, the market doesn’t pay that much for those receivers. Roddy White gets a bit more than that, and he averaged over 80 catches and 1200 yards two years before he got it, and he’s still improving on those numbers.
Wallace might go for some serious dough. I don’t think Brown has the notoriety yet to draw the big check.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
No? With all the PR he’s getting in highlight reels?
I think other organizations and coaches know the deal. They keep a close eye….
If you’ve never had a 1,000 yard season (and you have under 1,000 yards on your career), I really don’t think you are going to get a huge check of a true #1 WR, no matter how good your one season is.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace has more than 1,000 for his career
And its hard to imagine that with 4 games left he doesn’t get 1,000 for this year needing only 23 yards.
He may get it in the Cleveland game.
So I don’t think this is a good argument.
Wallace is still on pace for 1200 yards 75 catches and 12 TDs on the year.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
He is
talking about teams offering Brown big bucks. Just to clarify
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by stillergorillar on Dec 6, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
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by John Stephens on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm slow
my apologies
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 6, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
True
But I think people like to invest in consistency. There have been man one year wonders.
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by John Stephens on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Not saying we can't
I just think if we can’t afford both, Brown is more valuable.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Cotchery will be back
if Hines retires. He will continue to be the veteran presence when Hines and Battle are gone.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I could see this happening
Would love to see the Steelers keep both 84 and 17, but I could see Wallace wanting a lucrative contract, and the Steelers have always been the type of team that will never be held hostage by one player. I could see Wallace being let go and then signing Brown and Sanders long term. I wouldn’t like losing Wallace at all, and he’s the type of player they should invent a first round compensation pick for.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 5, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
the biggest concern for me regarding Wallace.. He has Brett Favres agent…
Who incidentally…is being mentioned for “being willing to listen” to the Bears.
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What does Favre have to do with anything? His agent doesn’t tell Favre to be an annoying over-glorified hick, he does that on his own.
The Vikings BEGGED him to play there.
a Brett Favre mention
in a thread that otherwise has nothing to do with him is a sure sign that the thread has strayed well beyond its original purpose
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, that is two comments that you have responded too without actually reading what it was saying.
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get over it
First, I’m responding to Neal’s and not your comment. Second, where’s the other comment to which yo are referring?
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by steely mcballs on Dec 5, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Favre..
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
A source familiar with a certain QB in Mississippi told ESPNChicago.com that that QB would listen if the Bears made a pitch.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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Yeah, in other words, his agent
Why not steal another $3 million to finish the year? They’re desperate now.
Eff it. I’ll play QB for a cool 3 mill. Lose a few brain cells for that much money? Done.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, are you saying I only have a few brain cells?
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll play QB for a cool 3 mill. Lose a few brain cells for that much money? Done.
After getting hit upside the head a few times…..I’m just quoting you.
I was just joking. “Lose a few brains cells” Only have “a few brain cells left”…
Nvm
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by John Stephens on Dec 6, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
What a jerk.
I don’t care about how many records the guy holds, he needs to know when to hang ’em up.
Wouldn’t surprise me…Nate Washington was tearing the top off of defenses for a Super Bowl champion not too long ago. They have an eye for the position now.
On the other hand, it really is emerging as the second or third most important (behind QB and CB) in today’s NFL. They may be better off keeping the proven commodities in place.
One thing I’m pretty sure of, if Mendenhall wants more than like $3 mil a year, he ain’t gettin’ it in Pittsburgh.
RB that can contribute are easy to find and though Mendy has been good I don’t think he has been irreplaceable. He won’t be a Steelers long term. Other guys who will probably be gone Kemo, Starks, Ward, (sad to say it but it is not the Steeler way to hold on to veterans when they begin to decline), Smith, and probably Hoke and Farrior but thats more dependent on the draft.
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I think Starks has won over the FO...
…and as long as he doesn’t report next year looking like a beluga whale, they’ll sign him again.
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That's my hopes
The impact he has had on this team is incredible. I’m really hoping they find a way to keep him. He’s still only 29
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He plays a very important position
Reasonably well. Keep him in shape, and keep him. God knows the offensive line needs whatever help it can get.
As to Ward, tough call- heart and head say different things. Under Loves-his-veterans Tomlin, this team HAS kept former stars too long, a la Aaron Smith, among others.
Mendenhall is also a tough call- he is good, and always looks like he is on the verge of doing something special, but usually doesn’t quite come through the way you want a #1 draft pick to.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying we should let him go but will
I don’t think he will take the vet minimum again and we have Colon still under contract, I think Gilbert will slide over to LT. Just doesn’t make sense unless they are really concerned for depth. I like what I have seen from Gilbert however we can not deny Starks chemistry with Ben. If they keep Starks then I think they trade Colon.
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I still don't
think Gilbert is ready to face the elite on the left side. He gets beat a couple of times a game and that isn’t against the best in the league. I would rather Keep Starks and move Gilbert to guard
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by stillergorillar on Dec 7, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
We’ll see. I go back and forth on the issue. I see the value of what Wallace does, but I don’t see him as a player who should get the same money as a WR who can run the short and intermediate routes too.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
You know Mikey can run all the routes John.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Great “do-it-all” WRs don’t disappear for a few weeks.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he was a do it all receiver. He can run all the routes, he scored on a quick slant and an out yesterday. Neither of those are just long post routes.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, was I the only one who said on his catch and run TD, “where the hell have those moves been?”
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I was too busy celebrating.
He’s still young and developing. Just look at how his play has changed from last year to now.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
True
But moves like that are more instinctual than anything. You have it or you don’t. You can’t teach someone to cut like LeSean McCoy.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Or Spin-than-fall like Rashard.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I was just looking at his stats, he had one bad game against KC. Other than that, his lowest yards was 38, but had 2 scores, and in the games he didn’t score a TD (which is only 5) he put up serious yards or a good amount of catches.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
I guess I expect more deep balls from the best deep threat guy in the game.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t think Torrey is getting enough deep passes?
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
No
He isn’t, dude can fly.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Shhhh!!!!
Don’t tell BAL that.
On second though, do- Cam Cameron seems almost as popular, and likely to listen, as Arians is.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
On second though, do- Cam Cameron seems almost as popular, and likely to listen, as Arians is.
All week, Ravens fans talk about NOT throwing play action dump passes to Vonta Leach……then we see 4 of them in one game for a miraculous 5 yards.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
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lol
I’m just keeping it real.
Seriously though, that guy is going to cause us trouble or years to come, he is only going to get better.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Also worried about AJ Green. Ike didn’t play poorly yesterday- Green IS that good, and is going to improve a LOT as he learns the subtleties of the pro game.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
couldn't agree more
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
You spelled Limas wrong.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been doing that lately, still trying to get used to the fact that he is Sweed 2.0
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Did you see that toe-tapper on the sideline by Jordy Nelson? That’s body control. Limas doesn’t have that.
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
White people iz crazy yo.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Nelson's the most underpaid receiver in the game
For my hypothetical team, I’m stacking it with nothing but Jordy Nelsons, Antonio Browns and Rob Gronkowski. I have three formations; Browns, Nelsons, Gronkowskis.
I don’t need running backs.
He had two catches
that I recall in the Giants game that most receivers would not have made. He got some game.
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by The 58 Standard on Dec 5, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not really true
We’ve been facing a lot of cover-2s and Wallace and Brown are usually on opposite sides of the field.
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by John Stephens on Dec 6, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Dynamic Offense...
Neal, earlier in this year you wrote about the difference between dynamic offense and balanced offense — the Steelers performance against the Bengals was a par excellence example of a dynamic offense – an offense that was what it had to be when it needed to be.
Patrick Willis hurt his hammy yesterday
Any news on that? Will he miss games?
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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
I saw that, but don’t know if he’s injured long term or not. We all know how bad hamstrings can be.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Dec 5, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
gotta think they'll play it safe with him too
He won’t be back on the field unless he’s 100%
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
The 49ers have been pretty quiet
On Willis for the past 24. Suspect that w/the division title clinched, and his being our best player, we won’t rush him back.
Too bad- the Steelers are my second team, but the Niners I grew up with, and I wanted to see Willis wreak havoc on Monday Night.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, Now I Have to Rewatch the Game
This post really makes me want to fire up my DVR… but it’s a work day!
grain of salt
IF the Playoffs started today...
Our Steelers would be playing a wild card game against “Tim Terrific” in Denver, correct? We would then play the 2nd seed, Baltimore Ravens, correct? Wondering what anyone else thinks about this right now…I know this is a little early to look at, but I think it merits looking at as we’re only 4 weeks away from this being all sorted out.
If Tebow beat you guys, no one would ever let you live it down.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
He's better than Gabbert or Jackson
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Maybe
But I am too, I think. I certainly couldn’t be too much worse…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have a misguided Vikings fan friend who’s become a Broncos fan this year because of Tebow. He keeps trying to tell me all about the dimension Tebow brings to the offense, and how they control the clock because of him and how dangerous they are now (all categorically false statements). I argue with him to humor him or than anything else.
He then wanted to break it down for me.
“Would you want to see Denver in the playoffs if Denver is healthy??”
“Yep! YEP! I’d absolutely LOVE seeing Denver in the playoffs.”
It’s like a bye week, but a really competitive one to help get the ball rolling in the right direction. How many years in a row or out of the last few years has either the No. 1 or 2 seed lost their first playoff game? It’s all about momentum now. Getting such a winnable game in the first round may be more of an advantage.
IDK Neal
Running QBs have given us trouble in the past even if they aren’t great at throwing the ball. It’ll be at Denver, in that air. It’ll probably be tougher than you think it will be. Plus I don’t like the idea of going to cleveland then going to denver, then coming back almost cross country and going to baltimore.
Be careful what you wish for my friend.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Plus if that defense plays lights out
they could stall our offense which hasn’t been exactly consistent this year
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Another thing, would Clark be able to play up there?
Didn’t he sit out last time we went to Denver? Did he even make the trip?
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
this i had
forgotten which player it was, but if it was Clark then yes, he cannot play in Denver. He could die.
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I wrote a column on that topic a few years back when it all sprung up. It’s still pretty reasonable that at some point in what’s left of Clark’s career, they’ll be a playoff game there.
If he can’t go, I’m fine with it. I still think we match up very well with that team. And considering it would mean we’d be in the playoffs, I’m still totally fine with going to Denver.
We match up well
but thats not my concern, its the totality of it all, how many times has this team won four straight road games back to back?
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by tannofsteel84 on Dec 5, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Clark would sit that game, probably
He did the last time they were at Mile High, cause he almost died the time before…
Mundy is a solid replacement. Broncos defense is for real, and their home field advantage would be significant.
However, and this is said having considered the various possible outcomes- Timmons and Troy would eat Tebow alive. The Broncos excel at running the ball- Steelers excel at stopping it. Steelers are one of the teams built best to contain Tebow’s scrambling, and stop the run. He doesn’t have the arm to make them pay.
To beat Pittsburgh, you need a good defense, and a solid aerial attack. The Broncos have one of those.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
We beat Denver in Denver in 2005 as the #6 seed and I believe they were the #1 or #2 seed
Im hoping that the Steelers have to come thru Denver this playoff season cause I live in Denver and would love to go see the Steelers beat the Broncos down. No way the Broncos beat the Steelers, the Broncos are like Cinci, but even worse than Cinci. Both are teams that everyone thinks are good till they play a good team and get hammered. The broncos have won six out the last seven, and the ONLY decent team played during that stretch was Detroit, and the lions obliterated the broncos. Im sorry but the media has too many people drinking orange and blue, tebow flavored kool aid. Any of the elite teams will decimate a team like the broncos. They run EVERY single play, the only way you get away with that is against inferior teams, specifically inferior defenses. Good luck trying that shit against a team like Pitt or Baltimore. Dick Lebeau would absolutely destroy an offense that one sided. Think of all the run blitzes Coach Dad would implement, Tebow would be in the locker room getting MRIs by half time. The broncos offense is every great D coordinators dream to play against. Im forced to watch/hear about Tebow 24/7 living here in Denver, its a cute story, but in no way a threat to the elite AFC teams in the playoffs, IMO.
If we play at Denver. No Ryan Clark, right?
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by John Stephens on Dec 5, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow is a wild-card type of player.
He lacks the capabilities that people generally look for in a pro QB, but he compensates for it by being a fierce competitor. The guy just has an uncanny ability to pull winning plays out of his butt at critical points in the game. Making no comparison in terms of physical skills, the Broncos haven’t had this kind of moxie at QB since John Elway retired. So maybe that’s the dimension your friend is talking about.
I agree it’s awfully hard to see how Tebow ever gets to the NFL’s promised land with his limited skill set. But he might get a lot further than many have predicted. Time will tell.
Agree with this
But in terms of what he does best, what the Denver offense does best, and what the Steeler defense does best…even in Denver, PIT wins that matchup 19/20 times.
As mentioned by others above, it’s the following week that would prove worrisome.
And, just to quote Joey Porter: “They shot me in Denver!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpOG9K02F_g
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hell no
He is exactly who I would want playing quarterback if this team is down one Ryan Clark. We have the personnel to chase him sideline to sideline, the pass rush to hurry him behind a pretty-good O-line, and the offense to put up more points than the world’s most prominent virgin can…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 5, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
IMO
Holding will not be called against Denver in that hypothetical game which may limit the pass rush.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 6, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
ya think?
I could see this
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by stillergorillar on Dec 6, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
I would consider that
a reasonable possibility. One thing no one can disagree with about Tebow is that he is an audience draw (even if many mute him when he’s in front of the microphone).
That’s why they win one game out of 20.
Also, it may sound like I’m being unreasonable, but when I’ve seen the Broncos win in recent weeks, it’s not strictly because they’ve played well- their opponents have consistently played poorly against them. I don’t know if the Broncos do anything to contribute to this, but so far, I don’t have a cogent explanation for why this is. It’s weird though. Must be divine intervention. :)
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
A road game against the Praying Ponies would be good...
…I agree with that
PIT wins that matchup 19/20 times.thought, but still would be a bit nervous about divine intervention, even though this playoff game would come around the 40th anniversary of our own Immaculate Reception.
Interesting story line, huh?
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It would take a divine intervention...
Like seeing the face of Jesus in a Primanti Brothers sandwich to offset the higher power of Denver. I think with or without Clark…we crucify him. :-)
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Nice write up!
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Repeating the obvious but a dead-horse worth shooting nonetheless… Balance balance balance. I couldn’t for the life of me figure what was missing from our “O” and when talking points happen in the form of a beating at the woodshed like this weekend’s against the Bungles I wonder how I ever forgot we needed to run consistently. Is this like a template the Steelers use to feint our way thru the early dregs of the season only to round out in December-January? I know we’ve had our share of injuries and OTA’s were suspended during the lockout but when oone looks back it is clear Tomlin has a clear strategy later in the year. Hope it keeps up.
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