Ben Roethlisberger's Shocking Second-Half Return Cements Status as One Game's All-Time Tough Guys and Competitors
We've got 11 days until the Pittsburgh Steelers next play in Week 15, so we'll have ample time to break down their odd 14-3 win over the Cleveland Browns Friday, this weekend, and into next week. We're running behind on our posgame coverage already, but let's keep it siple and focused to start, and make sure we isolate what was truly a special performance by one of the greatest warriors the game of football has ever seen at the quarterback position. Sound overly dramatic? Maybe my word choice could have been more dry, but the reality is we're watching Ben Roethlisberger do ridiculous things as the quarterback of the Steelers. Not just all the wins, mind you. But the way he continues to suck it up and refuse to cry uncle no matter how many hits he takes, nor how hard they might sting.
Make no mistake about it, Big Ben was in pain. So much in fact that he thought he had broken his leg when ihe initially writhed in pain on the ground after being sacked:
"It was one of the most painful things I ever felt," Roethlisberger said. "It felt like the middle of my leg was just, cracked ... it felt like my foot was outside of my leg."
It's still not clear if Roethlisberger will be forced to sit out one or more games down the stretch, but when X-rays at halftime revealed no breaks, Big Ben opted to play, perhaps convincing himself that he was only making the sound medical decision to keep it active rather than swelling up:
"Doctors said 'Just keep moving,"' Roethlisberger said. "As we kept going they said, 'Just keep moving' because it literally felt like it was about to explode."
I actually said as much at the bar when my company asked why he would possibly be playing with such a bad limp. Really though, he was just delaying the inevitable, no? Did the foot feel any better after the game after refusing to shut it down and absorbing more hits? Obviously not. But like the battler and team player that he is, Roethlisberger didn't think about the pain he'd be dealing with later, only making it through the game and ensuring his team didn't drop an inexcusable home game to the Browns when so much was still at stake for the team's goals in 2011.
If you re-watch the injury, you'd join me in a big, deep sigh of relief as we counted our lucky stars that he's not looking at reconstructive knee surgery. When he went down after a sack in the second quarter, I thought on first view that he maybe blew out ligaments in his knee. Not having the volume on at the bar I was at didn't much help -- I couldn't hear the commentators or sideline reporters mention that it appeared to just be a nasty ankle injury. I suppose that became clear in the final minutes of the first half when Ben Roethlisberger limped into the locker room under his own power. That in itself hinted that he had not in fact torn an ACL, only sprained or perhaps broken his ankle. I say 'only broken' and that's a tad callous, but the bottom line is it's a huge relief the man didn't have his knee twisted deleteriously.
Happy enough that he hadn't busted his knee up, I was certainly shocked and delighted to return from the bar to see Ben Roethlisberger under center to start the second half. You can not keep this man down. Period. Roethlisberger probably should have takent he rest of the night off, but hey, maybe being inactive would have just caused it to swell up more quickly than it otherwise might have. More likely though, Big Ben just refused to err on the side of caution knowing he could play when it really came down to it.
Roethlisberger wasn't perfect in the second half, but he was damn close. His interception was ill-advised, but it was really the only mistake he made on the night, outside of him not throwing the ball away on the play in which he was injured, of course. .All told, he more than did enough to help his team win against a feisty Browns defense that opportunistically created turnovers just when it appeared as if the Steelers were going to take firm control of the game. By game's end though, Big Ben finished with 280 yards on 16-of-21 passing, with 2 touchdowns and 1 interception. In addition to that pick, one of his five total misfires came on a drop by Antonio Brown.
Forget about the tender ankle affecting his accuracy. That's a mighty fine day at the office throwing the football. Roethlisberger's final yardage numbers were obviously aided by Antonio Brown's sensational 79 yard score on what should have been no more than a 18-23 yard gain. But even if you hack off 50 yards from his final total in Week 14, we're still talking about one hell of a performance by a once-in-a-generation quarterback that still does not get all the due he's deserved.
To conclude, if you think I'm being a bit too effusive in my praise considering the offense only mustered 14 points, don't forget that Hines Ward and Heath Miller both fumbled deep inside Cleveland territory in the first half. Pittsburgh was cruising down the field and likely to score at least 6 -- and perhaps 14 -- on those drives if not for the uncharacteristic fumbles by the two sure-handed veterans. What can you do? Also, don't forget Big Ben led the Steelers down the field quickly for what should have been at least 3 points in the second half, only to run the same play four times in a row along the goal line, and subsequently surrender possession on downs on the 1 without padding their 7-3 lead.
More on all that later, but for now, a Steeler Nation salute to Ben Roethlisberger for continuing to win games and wow us in the process with not just his ability to throw the football, but also with his unrivaled ability to put pain out of his mind in order to stay on the field and lead his team. The results continue to pay off, which for better or worse I suppose only means he'll continue taking those chances in the future.
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24-3
At the very least, without the 3 redzone turnovers, the score should have been 24-9, assuming at least a fg on each incursion. Credit for the first two turnovers has to go to Cleveland as they were playing hard and looking to force turnovers. The turnover on downs was a coaching decision. I was surprised they didn’t have Redman in for at least two of those attempts but I believe the coaching staff had their reasons for doing what they did.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 8:01 AM EST reply actions
I just
can’t believe that Arians thought running the same play 4 consecutive times with no varience. That is just silly.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 9, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
All part of the brilliance that is BA!
and why don’t we have, a short yardage and goal line packages for Redman? Redman has the ability to get that extra yard in such situations. Mendy did look good running the ball but not when we were on the goal line. The Steelers need to capitalize in such situations like we did when we had the BUS.
by steeler fever on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure why
but it looked like Mendy was running very high at the goal line… thus the whacks Gocong put on him
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He didn't.
As per Ed Bouchette, that was called as a pass play to the right, but the Browns stacked the right side and Ben changed the call to run. Why didn’t he throw to the other side? I would assume because he couldn’t turn to the other side fast enough. Did you see how much trouble he was having even handing off the ball?
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
" . . . only to run the same play four times in a row along the goal line . . . "
. . . it is no wonder why there is zero interest from other teams to hire Arians away from the Steelers . . .
Good defensive stand...
I refuse to blame Arians on this one…their defense played more physical than our offense on that goaline stance series.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 9, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
it was
a good defensive stand, but the Oline got no push. Pouncey being injured and out didn’t help.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 9, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
That's exactly my point...
their defense played more physical during those 4 attempts.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 9, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Kemo stumbling on a pull was the biggest problem
If Kemo gets his man on that, which he usually does when pulling, Mendy gets a td on second down.
the o-line was crippled even more than normal at that point . . .
arians has to recognize this . . .
Everyone on that line was..
either a starters or had started before….why do some people just refuse to give credit where credit is due??
All in all, that stop did not alter the outcome of the game and we still got the “W”.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 9, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
since when?
is above-average O-line play required to gain 2 yards?
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by HtownSteelerFan on Dec 9, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
What does it matter if someone has started before in the past? That doesn’t make Kemo a good run blocker and it doesn’t make Legursky as good as Pouncey.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I thought inline run blocking was Kemo's only strength
He used to be a mauler who struggled pass blocking or being in space. If he’s not a run blocker, what the hell is he?
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by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
He used to be. Now it looks like he’s only good at pulling. And that’s only when he doesn’t get a penalty for it.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
That’s bull crap. Sorry, but it is. Your starting center is out and it’s no secret (if I know it) that Legursky struggles against bigger DTs (like Taylor and the other Cle DT). Add that to the fact that Kemo sucks at run blocking unless he is pulling and it’s an idiotic set of downs. That Einstein quote about repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results fits perfectly here.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Another sign of BA's incredible ability...
to not be able to adjust! He is either extremely arrogant or unobservant!
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this
I know that the Steelers have struggled running outside most of the year, but the Browns were showing that they were just going to block the middle. I thought there was a good shot at catching the edge, oh well.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
When something KEEPS not working, and you KEEP not doing it, that’s not a “commitment to Steeler football”, it’s a commitment to refusing to learn, and an example of not adjusting to the personnel you have.
Also weird that they didn’t give Redman an attempt; Mendy has scored a lot of short yardage TD’s, but Redman has made this team, among other reasons, because he is great going up the middle for short yardage…what’s his nickname again? Arians can’t remember either…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Why is it always Arians' fault...
…and nobody ever weighs in against Tomlin?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I suspect everybody has a slight man-crush on Tomlin...
He is probably popular with the ladies as well.
All of those things are true.
Many of them are even justifiable. But I would consider the majority of the Steelers’ problems at this point (pretty much all that are not injury related) to be directly related to coaching. Maybe there is still too much Philly in me, but how Tomlin doesn’t take some serious flack is surprising to me.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Well first our fanbase is a bit more classy than the Egles one ( I understand your had high expectations but booing your team in the first quarter really? Really!?!?).
You have to have a litlle faith sometimes and to be honest 10-3, no losing season, 2 superbowl titles it’s hard to criticise that kind of results. And the team even seems to be improving the last couple of years since 2009.
I've been in Pittsburgh awhile now.
I’m reformed. And I have Pirate tickets, so I pay my dues. But sometimes it’s hard to keep it down.
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I'm not trying to be unnecessarily contrarian.
And I don’t think I’m being rude. I just came to be a Steeler fan a bit later in life than others, and I think I view the team through a different prism than some people. Sorry if I pissed you off.
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It's the winning
I, and a lot of Steeler fans I have talked to, have wondered how much of the blame for certain things lies on Tomlin. As the head coach, even if it’s not his fault, it IS his problem.
I think the man-crush a lot of fans have on him IS part of it, but without getting too Charlie Sheen here, it’s the winning, If he hadn’t delivered two SB appearances during his tenure, he would get a LOT more criticism. Sometime it boggles my mind at how successful this team is, given the dumb stuff they routinely do.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I've never seen a team like this before.
It goes against almost everything I know about football. They are so concerned about making big plays that so many of the little things that get preached about get ignored.
But on the other hand, they make so many big plays. Penalties? Turnovers? Who cares about that when your quarterback is clearly a mutant and Antonio Brown just caught a 75 yard touchdown pass?
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And yes, I'm dead certain a big part of it is the winning.
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FWIW
According to the coaches, the run plays were called because Ben said he couldn’t roll out. They were not the exact same play. Watch it again. They we designed to go different places, they just got the same result. I would have like to see the FG there, but at least they were four different runnin plays that were called.
Iron sharpeneth iron... Proverbs 27:17
I never said they were the same play. If Ben can’t roll out, why not just drop him back and throw a quick slant to one of those fast guys we have.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Bigger problem
I am all for Mendenhall getting cracks on the goalline, but if he does not get in 2 times, then give Redman a shot.
It wasn't the same play four times in a row
The first play was a dive play to the right
The second was a power to the right
The third was an off tackle to the right
fourth was a dive right
Yes he should of kept running to the right but they were not the same play
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What if it was an away game?
Do you think the injury would have been significantly worse were it not for the natural give in Pittsburgh’s oft’ maligned home turf?
"Honestly, you'd think I'd won four Super Bowls there the way [Steelers fans] treat me... don't get me wrong, they want to win, but if you lay it all out there on every game, they'll accept whatever results they get." -- Merril Hoge
interesting thought
You’d have to think it would have been worse if it was on the old style turf, I don’t know how comparable that new microfiber turf (or whatever it’s called).
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
agree with all the praise
ben is unique, and uniquely gifted not only with physical ability, but with a winner’s mentality that is compelling and inspiring, to say the least. i want to approach my job with the same determination and commitment to success as he does.
looking at the tape, i think you’ll find that they most certainly did not call the same play four times in a row at the goal line. there were different formations and different plays called there. they just all happened to be running plays with 34 getting the handoffs. if ben throws 3 of those 4 times and we don’t get it, you’re all screaming about “why can’t we just pound it in there?” and “why are we letting ben try and throw it on a broken ankle when we can just run the ball?” etc. either way arians gets the blame. actually, i want to know – i demand to know – why it was mendy getting those calls and not mr. redman. if i was 33, i’d be pissed right now. mendy looked like he has NO IDEA how to run in short yardage situations. he ran with pads high, and he ran to gaps instead of staying low and tight behind his lead blockers. it looks lilke he wants to try and hit a gap for 15 yards, when all he really needs to do is basically fall forward for a yard and half. he needed to make himself small and hidden, and instead he found open space and got the snot knocked out of him. i’m disappoinited in the way that went down. not because of the runs, but because of the runner. if we try 4 times when redman and fail, then i’d say, “good job to the browns defense.” but instead, i just want someone to explain why we didn’t use our short yardage back in a short yardage situation, especially if we were really committed to running the ball there. baffling.
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the one where he took
the big hit was a missed blocking assignment, Kemo (I think) tripped or fell and went left instead of forward or right, leaving Mendy nowhere to go. Had he followed his block on that he ends up tangled in the mayhe that is Kemo. Every other run he tried to follow his block only to run into a wall, there was no holes. I think part of the blame for that lies in Pouncey being injured and out.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 9, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
not how i see it
i’ve watched it several times now. completely disagree. mendy actually runs to the gap instead of saying tight behind the block. it’s a completely different style of running than on 1st and 10 at the 40. there is no reason to look for space there. he needs to basically ride the butt of the blocker and fall forward. if he does that, it is virtually impossible for him to absorb the kind of momentum-stopping hits he took. at best, they can only hit him from the side, and even then he might be able to fall foward.
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big hits
I thought his taking the big hits on the first two downs were more a result of him running to upright. Both defenders simply got lower pad level and blew him up.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
that was definitely part of it.
it all goes back to the fact that our SHORT YARDAGE BACK should have been in the game trying to pick up short yardage.
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Redman
I don’t understand why Redman wasn’t out there either. I can understand giving Mendy a shot at it but after the first two attempts it is time to put Redman for both his short yardage capability and his abilities as a pass blocker/receiver. At least let Cleveland think pass is an option.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
while I completely agree redman needed a touch or two on that series,
let’s recall Mendy’s red zone performance just four days prior to last night…that was against a defense that’s not supposed to be a sloppy against the run as cleveland.
it’s a W!
The issue isn't any individual play... it was the series
I have no problem trying Mendy into the line on any one of those plays. It’s a viable play. I have a problem not trying Redman at all, as he poses a different rhythm and style to Mendenhall. And while you don’t have to try a pass, there needs to be a threat of it, no? Maybe a roll-out?
I doubt Ben could roll out by then
Ben’s lack of mobility took some options off the table.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not asking them to throw it 3 of 4 times. Just when you get stoned twice in a row running you should try to throw it. Ben was slicing them up all day. There was no reason to completely avoid passing.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Good points on Mendy in short yardage though.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
agree
sometimes play callers outsmart themselves in trying to outsmart defenses, don’t you think? it’s like on third down arians is thinking, “well, we’ve run it twice, so they’ll definately be expecting play action here. let’s run it and surprise them.” and we know how that worked out.
but i absolutely disagree with anyone who wants to say they called the same play four times in a row. that simply didn’t happen.
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No. It wasn’t the same play. Off the top of my head. The first run was between the LG and C, second was off RT, third was off RG. I think 4th down was similar to 3rd.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Plays were different.
Third was a Power 36. TE kicks EMOL out, RT downblocks, LG pulls and takes first defender. Great play, well blocked, except for DinoBrain Kemoeatu who totally blew up his assignement and ended up blocking air. Otherwise 34 walks in.
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agree
with the Kemo statement.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 9, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
It may be better
At times to have 10 men on the field than having Kemo out there. At least nobody would expect anything from him and he wouldn’t get another stupid assed penalty. He needs not be a Steeler. I am tired of looking at his fat ugly face smashed into that helmet.
There was no blocking and no holes on those plays.
But Redman is good at plowing through or spinning around traffic, so I agree he’d have had a better chance to score than Mendy.
This about Mendy v. Redman near the goalline
is exactly what I was screaming about during the game. Well said.
I'm your huckleberry
Ben is
an unstoppable beast. Can not put into words how amazed I was that he played second half.
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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he might in a few years
I can see it now… 35 year old in an operating room – “we can make him better” and 3 years later he is a super-secret agent in a black and gold combat uniform that travels the world smashing the enemies of the US and getting all the Euro-trash hotties to do shots while singing the Star Spangled Banner
I'm your huckleberry
A friend of mine's parents
Used to live one development over from Roeth in the North Hills (are you from the Burgh?), and said on more than once occasion, they’ve seen tow trucks pulling Ben’s vehicles from the creek down the hill adjacent to his property.
Depending on the circumstances by which the vehicle came to be there, he might need the kidney.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
hey lottwasgangsta who's Big Stupid????
u used that term over on Niners Nation….can u tell me please to whom were u referring!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 9, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Roth
He’s been referred to as such here too.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
At our house...
We either use “Truck Nuts” or “The Implication”
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Nice
A last name that long, needs a nickname, and, depending on how one feels about him, there are plenty to choose from.
Back when TJ Houshmanzadeh was good, I wanted the Steelers to acquire him, just to force announcers to say “Roethlisberger to Houshmanzadeh!” Would have been phenomenal.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
so u are a 49ers fan and a Steelers Fan??
hey lottwasgangsta who’s Big Stupid????
u used that term over on Niners Nation….can u tell me please to whom were u referring!!!
Roth
He’s been referred to as such here too
Interesting……I usually use the term Big Doofus when he throws a pick but I don’t call him names on other team’s pages!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 9, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why
I usually don’t do it here. As you mentioned, it was elsewhere, for the same reason that I take off my muddy boots when I’m in someone else’s house.
Although again, as mentioned, folks whose only allegiance is to the Steelers have done the same. And yeah, both teams. Long story.
btw, what’s the difference between big doofus, and big stupid?
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
um yea okay then...thanks for the fuckulation and have a good day!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 9, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
?
I am not certain I understand the reason for vehemence of the second part of this reply.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never heard the second one.
But I like it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
well then
fuckulations to you, is replied vehemently.
by steeler fever on Dec 10, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
hey gangsta
We both have a big game coming up, on Monday, Dec. 19th. You been coming to btsc for a while now and shown good character.
Would you wanna cohost a poast with me next week, here on btsc? A place for friendly discussion of football related topics and the big game. I have a little experience with this co-hosting, having been on the weekly HDM.
I would like to include pictures of SF Cheerleaders. I have a slight case of cheerleader envy!
by steeler fever on Dec 10, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Gold Rush
are pretty damn nice looking. And, as attractive as Steely McBeam is…well, he’s not a gorgeous woman.
Sure, what does it include? Sounds like fun!
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
vond86@yahoo.com
also linked to my btsc profile.
I was thinking of publishing the poast next Thursday or Friday.
After yall win this week, yinze will win right? Lets hook up on email and I will send you some questions with my answers, you simply add your answers and email back to me. I then insert into post. Any input, is appreciated.
And of course we play co-hosts duty, answering questions and helping maintain the decorum of the poast, after it is published.
by steeler fever on Dec 10, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds great
thanks!
Will email you soon, so you have mine too.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Amen to that...
If I see Cam Newton do his ‘superman’ imitation one more time I’ll be buying a new remote control. He’s not worthy enough to carry the ‘real’ Superman’s helmet.
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browns players are becoming soccer players
That was a pretty awesome flop by colt mccoy when Mr. Farrior touched him on the shoulder out of bounds. I was also honestly surprised when worilds sprinted deep into the steeler sideline to tap Mccoy on the helmet and let him know that he barely escaped…Hochuli really wanted to throw that flag.
I definitely thought that was a flop to. Farrior just kind of tapped him to let him know he was there. Colt threw himself to the ground. What a lame ass move.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely a flop
on a side note, has anyone else noticed that McCoy looks a lot like a chihuahua?
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by stillergorillar on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
soccer players huh
Did you see the flop Colt McCoy took, when James Harrison tried to murderize him. What a faker, all so he could get the ref to throw a flag!
by steeler fever on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Heh
That was a hit. There is a difference between touching and hitting.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares if he flopped or not?
As far as I’m concerned, that’s a smart play by Colt and a brain dead move from Farrior. There’s no reason to ever touch a QB once he’s out of bounds, especially when they’re both running at full speed.
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
There was a guy last week
I can’t remember who it was, but a guy gave him a minor shove… and I mean minor..after the whistle. The guy left his fee completely and flew four yards away onto the ground. The refs just looked at him like he was spastic.
lol, it was the guy from the Bengals. The ref threw a flag on Fujita for that play, so it worked.
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Best part about it
Was Fujita’s reaction after that…it was half “you’re ridiculous; you have to be joking”, and half “but the refs probably gonna throw a flag anyway…yup…there’s the flag. Dammit.”
Looking for a link, but most have been removed. It’s Jerome Simpson, and it’s clear that he should try out for Italy’s soccer team; they generally require a BA in theater, but I’m sure they’d make an exception for him.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmT_28N4_Mo
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Damn
youtube is the only place i DIDN’T look, just cause so much NFL content gets taken down so quickly.
Fujita looks like the strongest man in the world there…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
it’s hard for youtube to keep up with so many clips being added. There are a couple other videos on there if you just search “Jerome Simpson flop” the one I linked you might not be the best one, it was just the one at the top. But yes…Fujita’s reaction was even funnier than the flop, which is saying something.
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I can't work up enough "bitch" to complain about the play calling on that goal line stand....
…given how well the Steelers OL kept #7 (InBenstructible) safe from hits after returning, to win the game.
Ben must have titanium ball joints for knees; how he didn’t tear something up the way the leg twisted under him, and how he torqued onto the ground.
The game plan I believe was to run attack to the right side, away from Sheard (sic). While all four plays may have been too similar to be effective, given the results from the previous one, it was a ballsy move on Tomlin’s part; imagine the howls if Steelers had lost the game.
Our offense started the game well, defense looked cold.
24 carries for 111 yards b/w Mendy and Redman, against a team that was stacking the box to avoid a second week of embarrassment, thus leaning on its #1 pass defense to keep game close. End result, decent 4.6 yds per carry, but 16 for 21, 280 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT knifed them at their strongest point.
Overall, I am EXTREMELY happy with this ugly win. As I said, can’t really complain about anything, as thankful as I am that Ben is not more severely injured than he is.
Way to go Steelers!
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If you go through all the injuries and the times he has played with them. Ben really is one of a kind and I doubt that we will see a QB in the league that is able to do what Ben does any time soon.
I know that Brady, Rodgers, Brees are all considered technically superior but personally I’d take Ben over them any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
I don’t think I’d want to see Ben take these types of hits twice on Sundays.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
You got it right ;-)
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
You did, just joking with you.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Ah thanks to both
I need to switch between english,russian and native during the workday and it’s hard to keep it straight sometimes.
I want to learn Russian, I love the way it sounds...
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
In Soviet Russia, language like the way you sound!
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
If you don’t have access to native speakers or really like learning languages i would not recommend it. It does sound cool but they have their own alphabet and learning to read is a chore.
I sort of picked it up since all of my customers are russian and I’ve been working for them most of my career.
by axiomatic on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am pretty good with languages, but I didn't think about the Characters...
Although a lot of them are shared, I am sure that part would be difficult. I will probably never try because I wouldn’t have anyone to speak it to, but I do love the sound.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
As far as different character systems go...
The syrillic alphabet is a lot closer to the Roman one (ours) than, say, Arabic or Japanese. And yes, it does sound cool.
It’s definitely the sort of language that’s much easier to pick up when you’re surrounded by people who speak it though- how do I know that? Long story, but not an interesting one…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Ben is more and more reminding me of a Steve McNair, only with elite skills instead of average
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
McNair's skills were higher than average in his prime
Like his MVP season in 2003.
By 2006-2007, his last 2 years in Baltimore, all the injuries were clearly beginning to take their toll.
My girlfriend worked in the same office building as Steve’s financial adviser. I got a chance to share an elevator ride with him in late 2008, and he walked like an old man.
Enjoy watching Roethlisberger while you can. His heart and grit are amazing. But, much like McNair, it probably isn’t going to end well once he gets older.
+7
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"Chuck Noll is building one hell of a football team up in Pittsburgh. I look for the Steelers to be the team of the future. Just remember I said that."
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by HtownSteelerFan on Dec 9, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
outstanding...
I could not believe Ben walked out at the beginning of the second half. I called and verified it with several people because I did not have sound on NFL mobile. I thought for sure that could not be real. I hope it was the best thing for him long term, but in that moment he showed the kind of leadership the Steelers need to get things done.
My thoughts on Big Ben
Thought number one was: “YOU STUPID MOTHERF@#%&*R! IF YOU WOULD HAVE THROWN THE DAMN BALL AWAY, YOU WOULDN’T HAVE HAD YOUR ANKLE SNAPPED OFF AND SUNK THE ENTIRE PITTSBURGH SEASON!”
Thought number two was: “Oh. My. God. Roethlisberger is not mortal. Perhaps he is a robot sent back in time to grope women and win football games.”
My heart swelled up with so much pride when he returned to the field after the half. It’s hard to describe, but I felt myself get bigger, like the Grinch finding the true meaning of Christmas. I could not help but love that man for what he’s willing to sacrifice for the team.
by Weirtonite on Dec 9, 2011 8:50 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
so full of win!
"Oh. My. God. Roethlisberger is not mortal. Perhaps he is a robot sent back in time to grope women and win football games."
Wow, re: groping women.
Yeah, it’s about like that. I have a hard time with Roethlisberger; he holds it way too long at times, and honestly, I can’t look at him on the field, and not think about all the sexual assault charges. I know this is a controversial thing around here, and he hasn’t been proven guilty in court, but that stigma’s still there, and I have a hard time believing he did nothing to contribute to it. If he weren’t a famous athlete, I don’t think people would be taking up for him the way they have.
If he hadn’t gotten in trouble off the field, I would be nothing but impressed with him; his toughness, his ability, his clutch play. In that way, he’s a throwback, and he’s absolutely the toughest QB in the league. So I’m conflicted- he’s the sort of dude I wouldn’t let around my sister on general principle, but he’s fun to watch on Sundays. I realize good athletes are not always good people, but it still bothers me.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
If he weren't a famous athlete....
Well, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that if he wasn’t a famous athlete, none of those accusations would have been made. The woman in Nevada is a proven whack job and the underage, drunk sorority girl was, well an underage, drunk sorority girl.
by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 9, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
But people can grow out of their immaturity...
…and so far, it appears that Ben has changed, that married life has settled him down.
I don’t look to athletes as role models, for myself or my kids. But the concept of role model has been so morphed over time. Frankly, I’d rather use a “role model” who has proven his/her ability to overcome their human frailities, then either an unattainable goal of perfection, or pick a supposed “annointed one” role model, only to find out later that there were serious flaws than now invalidates it.
Acknowledging one’s shortcomings and flaws, and striving to over come them is a better example, to me, than the hypocrisy of pretending to be.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 9, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd rather...
the person who does not do the stupid things to begin with, like Troy. Do you think any crap like this will come out about him?
No, you make a good point...
…and I certainly hope not. Troy is a good example; he plays hard, he recognizes his failings, and he tries to do better.
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Get over it already... the sexual allegations happened a year ago. All this sniveling and talk of Bens conduct off the
field is ridiculous. Guys come on here and act like they are all perfect and without fault; GTFOH! If you dont like Big Ben then go root for just the Forty Whiners you tool!
Agreed 100%!!!
I can resist everything but temptation.....
by the duchess of steel on Dec 9, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
You are right, he's a once-in-a-generation warrior
I wrote him off, swearing to my family that he would not come back from this, not against the Brownies, when there were mid-to-long term health issues at stake, and the fact that we needed to preserve him, if he came back at all in the regular season, for the playoffs. Not to mention the gruesome nature of the fall, twist and collateral damage from both.
(Jim Mora voice) “Playoffs?!! You’re talking ’bout playoffs?!”
I just hope he did not take any unnecessary risks by coming back out there, even with no apparent additional damage. Sometimes, letting things settle and swell will help in diagnosing what’s wrong. This was delayed.
Here’s to praying that this win wasn’t a Pyrrhic victory…
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by Flying Polamalus on Dec 9, 2011 8:50 AM EST reply actions
I wondered the same thing too.....
Can’t we just take a knee three times punt and let the defense keep punching them in the mouth and we’ll go home with a 7-3 win? Glad it worked out but I praying he wouldn’t take another big shot or be at the bottom of any poile where his ankle would’ve been twisted for sure
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Jay Cutler put himself on IR just watching the injury on Ben.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
Nice, Rec'd
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
rofl
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Good one.
Cutler couldn’t carry Ben’s Terrible Towel.
by SteelerHokie90 on Dec 9, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I will say this for Cutler
He pouts. I’m sure Urlacher DID call him a *%ssy, and not without reason. He gets seemingly small injuries that take him out of important games.
BUT:
Anyone who is diabetic, and can maintain as a professional athlete is tough. Period. Tough enough? Not for most of the public’s opinion, apparently. But, the fact that he deals with that, manages it, and never says a word about it in terms of excuses speaks volumes to me. John, I DID think your comment was funny; I just also felt compelled to point out the other side.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
IIRC
Bobby Clarke was diabetic. No issues with toughness about him.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
True
But Bobby Clarke was Jack Lambert on ice…
One can be much less tough than either of those guys, and still be pretty tough.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
About the goal line missed opportunity
I am pretty sure that if Ben was not hurt they would tried a QB bootleg on at least one of those downs. I am not at all complaining about 4 running plays but I am definitely not happy about using #34 on all those plays.
Ben is a warrior. Period. After he went down I got a call from a fellow Patriots fans telling me that this is why Brady is successful. He doesn’t hold on to that ball that long. I wanted to punch him but I was seriously concerned at that time about Ben to think about Bundchen and his feminism.
Played last year with a broken nose. Last night with a severely sprained ankle.
Ben is not the toughest QB. He is the toughest football player. Period.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Don’t forget about the early throw to Wallace that was incorrectly overturned as well (indisputable evidence, my butt). So really, counting that and the blatant drop by Brown, Ben only threw 3 legitimate incompletions all game, one of which was the pick and all of which came after halftime on that gimpy ankle. Just astounding.
That catch was Brown, but you are correct - it was a catch.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Reviews and Hochuli
You would think that a lawyer would apply a rigid standard, but Hochuli seems to overturn calls based upon his gut.
Hochuli
overturns calls based upon which team it is
People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 10, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
By the way
As we have a long time before the next game can we have a special edition “Kemoeatu Hate Thread” or something?
I am sure that idiot will be discussed a lot on the post game threads and I don’t want to spoil those.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
While I agree, in his defence
he did save Ben from getting pounded again on two of those holds
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
He should just try clean blocking.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I have no argument for that kind of Logic LOL
I was just trying to look at the bright side of a terrible individual performance.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was actually glad that he grabbed the guy on that one play.
He would have come straight up the gut and pounded Ben after his injury.
One of those holds he didn't save Ben, He and the player he was holding .......
landed on Ben’s hurt ankle. He can’t even block while HOLDING.
Great idea.
Be sure you publicize it as such, and then how about all of you stop it on the rest of the threads. If you all want to be asshats feel free to do it in your own play yard, but please leave the rest of the site to people that want to talk about football.
I have no problem with reasoned criticisms of someone’s play, but please, like Mechem, confine your hate to its own thread.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Asshats?!?!
I am not sure what I did to deserve that moniker. I would want to believe that me calling Kemo an idiot was not the reason because if that is the case then 99% of the posters on this site, including few of the mods, are asshats.
And about that “Kemo Hate Thread”, obviously no one is creating one of those…we all know that.
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by Han on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I apologize.
I was pretty fired up, being as I had seen so many comments about Kemo, and I thought, great, just what we need. But there was no reason, good or otherwise, for me to say that, and I’m very sorry. I didn’t follow my own “wait 10 seconds before you hit post” rule which has prevented many an unfortunate post, and now you can see why I need it.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 10, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Have Ward and Miller both
fumbled in the same game? It almost felt like they were trying to shave points.
I was shocked Ben came back, unbelievable tenacity. Still, Ben should not have taken that hit, he should have thrown the ball away. The guy is a magician- sidestepping an unblocked rusher up the middle- but hits like that drastically shorten a player’s career. I want to see this guy leading the Steelers into the playoffs for the rest of this decade.
Jaws was saying on Mike and Mike this morning that Harrison might get suspended
This will be his first fine this season, right?
Would they suspend him for last season’s fines, too?
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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
I don’t think it’s his first fine.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
I think so although the team did get fined a bunch in the earlier parts of the season so i might have missed it.
As far as suspension who knows there is no formal rules how it is supposed to work afaik only the amounts for fines have been released. I would guess it would go by through regular league process.
My guess is Godell is judge/jury/executioneer and if he chooses to include last years stuff he will just do it regardless what anyone else thinks.
yep, all up to Goodell
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Suspension would be not be in accordance with past rulings by Goodell.....
oh nevermind, we’re talkin James Harrison. Goodell will probably suspend him for the season and excommunicate him.
by steeler fever on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think Deebo should be exempt in this case.
Because serious doubt remains that McCoy, in fact, is truly a quarterback.
"Excommunicate"
Nice. Pope Goodell.
I think a massive fine, yes, but hopefully they don’t suspend him; like Tebow, or anyone else controversial, he’s a big draw in terms of audience, and MNF has SUCKED this season. The Niners-Steelers should be one of the few games worth watching.
On the other hand, the Niners are my first team, and Harrison is a scary dude- mandatory one game suspension!!!!
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don't believe he deserves a fine
but I think he will get one.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand
how people can accuse Goodell of being “inconsistent”- he fines Harrison every single time!
#sarcasmfont
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
truth
It might be funny if it weren’t so annoying.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Harrison would retire voluntarily
If, prior to his retirement, Goodell was willing to suit up, get under center, and give Harrison one shot at him taking a snap behind, say, the Ravens offensive line?
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Goodell is more a puppet than a commish
so you would need to find the person pulling the strings to take the snap. Even then I doubt Harrison would do it.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 11, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I do. lott is an awesome guy
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by FrankWyt on Dec 9, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But some of us
don’t appreciate your language. And some of us value his opinions, even if we don’t agree with them all.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
So you wanna call me out for my language Rebecca but you call someone an asshat in the same post?
Pretty hypocritical dont you think?
Yes it was,
and I apologized.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 10, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
And I apologize as well for dropping the F bomb but I get I was getting a little of reading his comments after he posted the following:
Wow, re: groping women.
Yeah, it’s about like that. I have a hard time with Roethlisberger; he holds it way too long at times, and honestly, I can’t look at him on the field, and not think about all the sexual assault charges. I know this is a controversial thing around here, and he hasn’t been proven guilty in court, but that stigma’s still there, and I have a hard time believing he did nothing to contribute to it. If he weren’t a famous athlete, I don’t think people would be taking up for him the way they have.
If he hadn’t gotten in trouble off the field, I would be nothing but impressed with him; his toughness, his ability, his clutch play. In that way, he’s a throwback, and he’s absolutely the toughest QB in the league. So I’m conflicted- he’s the sort of dude I wouldn’t let around my sister on general principle, but he’s fun to watch on Sundays. I realize good athletes are not always good people, but it still bothers me.
At what point do we allow a person...
…to learn from his mistakes, and grow out of such boorish behavior.
A prisoner is considered to have “paid his debt to society” when he/she serves the prison term assigned. Ben was NOT convicted of anything, so paying his debt that way is not germane.
However, (and I’m not saying 6 months, a year, whatever is enough), at what point do we begin to acknowledge that he has changed? Coming off of a Super Bowl year, whereby the “old” Ben may have continued to be full of himself, the “current” Ben kept a low profile, continued to behave as he was instructed by the Rooney’s and the League (and apparently, the more grounded people immediately around him), and he even got married (which should settle almost any many down).
So, was it because he was the QB of your favorite team, that the disappointment in Ben was so bitter? I’m a father of a 19 year old daughter. Unfortunately, I remember quite well how guys in their late teens, early to mid-twentys act, and so I constantly worry about/for her; I disapprove of what Ben did, but, based on what I’ve seen/heard of his behavior since then, I’m willing to accept the fact that he has changed and grown, just as I did when I was his age.
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Chill...
…he’s welcome here. At least he’s honest about his loyalties…takes smack as well as he dishes, and writes interesting posts.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 9, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Act like an adult
This is uncalled for. Consider that an official warning.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks much folks
your hospitality is appreciated, and it’s why I think so highly of this site and its members.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
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Ric rhymes with? u know this, it is also what Ric, is trying to be. I wonder if he has a lil mikebb in his veins.
by steeler fever on Dec 10, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
For the language, and the hostility.
…you don’t have to agree with him, but, he has been respectful, is a Steeler fan (and even if he wasn’t, see first point), and he has every right to be here, as long as he behaves, as you do, as long as you behave.
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I couldn’t care what your opinion is if I tried. I’m just telling you to be civil or you’ll be banned. No one cares for your immature and lame attitude.
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by John Stephens on Dec 11, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
If you banned everybody for being hostile or using profanity then no one would be on here…are you serious? Someones on a real power trip! Cmon man. You do what you gotta do super mod!
I’m not sure how it makes me on a power trip to ask you to not be rude to other people. Let me point you in the direction of the rules written by the site owner here.
A few highlights:
4. Limit the profanity whenever possible, and definitely don’t sling it at others.
5. Don’t make a longer tenured reader not want to interact with the community anymore.
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by John Stephens on Dec 11, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I do. Lott often has great contributions to this site. Act like an adult or you can be the one to go away
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I'm not saying you have to
Just respect him, his opinion and his right to be here and not be told to “go the fuck away” by someone.
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
How would you suggest making the point to James Harrison that hits like that are illegal?
That call wasn’t bogus, it was dead on and obvious. You don’t want to suspend him, and fines clearly don’t make the necessary impression. Seriously, what do you suggest?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Totally fair question
It was the right call, and the fact that he plays for the team we like doesn’t change it.
Fines don’t make the impression, because Harrison, and a lot of other players, have determined that it’s worth a hit in the wallet to keep playing the way they do on the field. I also don’t think suspension is quite the right approach, as he will remain defiant about it, and not be convinced he did anything he shouldn’t have.
Perhaps some rule changes within the game that make it a harsher penalty, to the point where it hurts the team more? That would cause teammates to get in his hear, and I think THAT is where he would hear it.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think they are going to start fining the Steelers.
What they are doing is obviously correctable, they just refuse to correct it. Why? Because McCoy (obviously playing with a concussion) threw an interception three plays later. It generates an advantage.
It reminds of Buddy Ryan, except slightly more subtle. They were playing Houston back when they were running the “Run and Shoot”, he had Andre Waters take personal fouls against the first two guys who went over the middle. The personal foul didn’t un-break Haywood Jefferies nose, any more than it helped Colt McCoy last night.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Well on the other hand I’m sure that when somebody breaks Ben’s nose and then brags about how awesome it was. Or someone tries to take Wards head of and there is not even a flag on the field.
It kind of leaves Deebo with the impression that they’re really not being serious about it.
And Ben got whopped upside the head again last night…
That hit got flagged...
And Ray Lewis was fined.
James Harrison might have the impression that the NFL is not serious about these kinds of plays, but that impression is dead wrong.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Well the runing backs all defensive players and offensive linemen still get hit in the head same as before.
Unless there are stats that prove that head injuries and concussions are down across the league I will remain sceptical that it’s anything more than a PR and cover their ass move by the league.
PR?
Explain.
If by that you mean that they get more viewers, publicity etc when the offenses are more explosive, I would agree. They aren’t serious about safety, but they ARE serious about points, and without elite QB’s, those 50 yard bombs don’t get thrown, and not as many people tune in.
I support the idea that head injuries, and the toll the game takes on people’s bodies, should be taken seriously; I just wish the league did too; their words don’t match their actions.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Harrison is a beast
Was it a helmet to helmet? Yes. Should it have been flagged? Yes. Should he be suspended? Hell No. If McCoy is another yard down field, he would have been considered a runner. At that point, by rule, it would not have even been a penalty. Don’t let the BS about the league and player safety fool you, it is completely legal to concuss or break a running back’s neck with a helmet to helmet hit. The league puts up a front about safety when it is actually only protecting its’ interest. People tune in to watch QBs, not running backs.
by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 9, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Right
But if you read back over my comment, you’ll notice we aren’t disagreeing about league hypocrisy when it comes to player safety.
A few comments above, I also agreed with you that with QB’s, the league is merely trying to protect it’s investment insofar as they are it’s most visible players, and create the offense that draws casual fans.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Until a few years ago I'd never been on a football field.
That bothered me a great deal. I felt that it led to not understanding the game as well as I wanted to. I took the test to be a referee, and I officiated football for two seasons. Mostly kids, a fair amount of JV, some nominal varsity work.
Here is the first thing I learned. Football is dangerous. It is never a surprise when somebody gets hurt, in fact, it’s a miracle when somebody doesn’t.
My point is this, I’m all for anything that makes the game safer, and I’m fully aware that what they’re doing is not making any appreciable impact on actually doing that . I don’t know that there is a solution.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
What you said basically. Trying to protect their biggest investments while not doing much about the rest of the players.
Sure it looks like they’re taking it really serious but as i said there are other positions where big hits to the head are still considered to be perfectly acceptable like running backs.
Are the hits by the defensive players really the biggest problem any data to support that?
I’m not trying to argue that nothing should be done i just don’t see how the current fine system is supposed to improve things.
IIRC, Ray was not flagged for the hit on Ward
he was fined, but no flag
Things can always be worse....
both of these statements are correct. And for good measure, neither was the one on Heath Miller last year where McClain tried to decapitate him. I sense a pattern.
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You again
we agree a lot. Your comment was cooler though, because it used “decapitate”.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Or the one
on Hines in the Patriots game when he was concussed and taken out of the game and his catch was taken away by Belichick’s challenge as well. No flag.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ironic
That the league’s basic rules about safety for those are “defenseless” don’t apply to Hines Ward, when he is on the receiving end.
They create new rules to take
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Posted too soon!
Meant to say: They create new rules to take away what Hines does so well, but won’t thrown flags when defenders violate the rules against him.
Player safety, my derriere.
Second what you said about the Patriots game too.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
You are both correct.
I was furious.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Your recollection
is correct.
They fined him a couple days later, but no flag was thrown for a ridiculously obvious foul.
It would have been a perfect time for the league to show that it’s not full of it when it comes to player safety. As they did not, we can assume that our original assumption is accurate.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
The refs
even reviewed the play to determine whether it was a catch. They were able to determine that it wasn’t a catch, but apparently not able to determine that there was a helmet-to-helmet hit. Strange.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
H2H can't be reviewed on instant replay...
…another “loophole” that needs addressing, given the implication of the foul.
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Absolutely
And, doing so would represent an actual commitment to player safety, rather than just the previously demonstrated commitment to fining the Stillers.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
One thing that I have advocated for...
I believe that whenever a player is offered special protection under a rule (anybody out of bounds, a quarterback, or a kicker, for example) that an attempt to take advantage of that protection by embellishing contact (a.k.a flopping) should be subject to a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Right
They would have to come up with a more neutral name than “being a sissy…15 yards”, but in principle, you and I are in agreement.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
It's unsportsmanlike conduct.
Because it’s unsportsmanlike conduct.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
You are so logical
Agreed.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
That was exceptionally frustrating.
Same thing happened in the Patriot game last year. I don’t think that they are allowed to retroactively call a penalty. I think that if they could, it would at least cool out something that I considered to be pretty poor sportsmanship in both instances.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
He was not flagged.
He was fined. That is consistent with what I wrote.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Actually
it was the wrong call. The quarterback was outside the pockect and running with the ball.
By National Football League
Published: Nov. 30, 2010
4. Protection While Out of Pocket. When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule and the provision regarding low hits.
In this instance McCoy was running and very close to if not almost across the line of scrimmage. He only flipped the ball at the last instant because he knew he was gonna get creamed, and should have been afforded the protection of a runningback, ie no protection. The call on the field was Roughing the Passer which was not the correct call. There is the possibility of it being called a Personal Foul – Helmet to Helmet hit. but running backs do not get that luxury, ask Mendy on the goal line hits he took.
The hit was pretty clearly helmet to helmet.
I suppose you can nit-pick the referees specific call, but the net result is the same. Moreover, you can quote all the rules you want, but you simply can’t whack a quarterback like that. Especially if your James Harrison.
Is it a Double Standard? Is it fair? Yes and no respectively, but at this point continuing to pretend that it’s not the case is folly.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Not really nit picking that individual call. It is just another example of a poorly officiating during the game last night.
If everyone is so jacked up about helmet to helmet hits, what about the one that fractured his eye socket . Or the one that almost took Mendenhall’s head off. I agree there is a double standard.
What I believe is folly, as you put it, is the way these things are officiated/fined. they pick which rules and regulations to enforce as it pleases them.
Nobody is ever happy with the right and wrong of officiating.
Consistency is the key. I saw that hit in live action and went, FLAG. There was no mystery in that call at all. Just like the call on Farrior was ticky-tack as well, but it was obviously going to be called.
I don’t get the surprise. And the penalty is so avoidable. James, don’t hit the quarterback in the face, it’s just not that terribly complicated.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
If a running back laterals the ball...
…just before getting hit like Harrison hit McCoy, is that a H2H penalty.
If not, then how was what McCoy did any different, if in fact he was to be construed as a runner?
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But the point he was making
was not that it wasn’t a helmet-to-helmet, but that McCoy was out of the pocket and no longer protected. If you can hit a running back in the head with no repercussions (other than to the guy’s head) then you can hit a QB who is running the ball in the same way. Or so the rules appear to state. Runners are treated differently than passers or receivers.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
We're not saying different things.
But you can’t hit a quarterback in the face. You just can’t. You can try to parse it out anyway you want, but they are going to call that 100% of the time. 100%. They need to simply accept it and move on at this point.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
See, that is where you are wrong (by the rules). When a quarterback tucks the ball in his arm, and moves outside the pocket, he is NOT a quarterback anymore. He is now a running back. And helmet rules do not apply to a running back.
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People keep saying that.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But they call it that way. They’ve called it that way for more than a season now. They do. Continuing to argue about it serves no purpose. Frankly, it stopped serving a purpose a long time ago. You keep saying that I’m wrong, but it doesn’t matter. They are going to call that as a penalty. Every. Single. Time.
Honestly, do you think James went, “well normally I couldn’t hit this defenseless quarterback in the face with my helmet, but he’s outside the pocket and pursuant to subsection 4 of rule 137[a], he is now technically a ball carrier, and not entitled to the protections offered to the quarterback in the pocket”, and then he threw himself head first at McCoy? Or do you think he just went, KIIILLLLLLLLL!. I’m inclined to think it’s the latter.
And it’s not a conspiracy. Everybody got the memo, it’s just that the Steelers are the only squad that refuses to read it. I wanted to scream when I heard Harrison’s now all too familiar, “I don’t know what they want” cop out. THEY WANT YOU TO STOP HITTING QUARTERBACKS IN THE FACE WITH YOUR HELMET.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Actually, yes.
Honestly, do you think James went, "well normally I couldn’t hit this defenseless quarterback in the face with my helmet, but he’s outside the pocket and pursuant to subsection 4 of rule 137[a], he is now technically a ball carrier, and not entitled to the protections offered to the quarterback in the pocket",
According to his post-game interview, that’s exactly what he thought.
I’m quite sure that he had checked the rules out, because Troy got hit by a quarterback (Michael Vick) in the pre-season, and nobody tackled him as he headed for Troy because they weren’t sure whether he could be touched or not at that point.
Harrison called for clarification of the rules after that game. His wife is a lawyer. You can bet he’s checked the rules. Whether the NFL is abiding by their own rules or not is another matter. I think it would shock no one if they aren’t. But he can make quite a good case.
And you might note that this is the first penalty of that nature he has incurred this season. We also know that the refs got a least a couple of things wrong during that game up to that point.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 10, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well we can agree to disagree on that.
I don’t buy that for a second. I agree that these penalties are called tighter against the Steelers than other teams, but those are the breaks. There is no Court of Appeals to take this too. They just have to start working around it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I do think you are correct
that they just have to work around the situation.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 10, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yea...
…
There is no Court of Appeals to take this too
because 31 teams voted to accept the CBA with no language providing for an impartial third party to rule on the fairness of Pope Goodell’s proclamations.
The 32nd team, that did NOT accept the CBA – YOOOUUUR PITTSBURGH STEEEEEELERS!!!
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they will absolutely
not call it 100% of the time. If it is Ben it will never get called.
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by stillergorillar on Dec 10, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Harrison hit him high
Ben was the one that took the low hit out of the pocket.
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by SNW on Dec 9, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong rule?
My understanding is that McCoy is being claimed as a defenseless player because he was a QB in the act of passing the ball. When a QB attempts to advance the ball as a runner, then and only then do all of the protections, including blows to the head, go out the window.
I don't think it was illegal
I think it was unfortunate but Colt was a runner at that point in time.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily
I think there is a significant problem with the rule as it relates to scrambling qbs. Are they runners or are they passers? If they are passers until they cross the line of scrimmage, then that places defenders in an untenable position. In fact, passers can use that to throw at the last second to draw a fine unless the rule is changed to make QBs out of the pocket into a runner. They do it on low hits.
Look at the Gocong hit on first down. He hit Mendenhall in a similar way that Harrison hit McCoy. No one cares because Mendenhall is not a QB or a receiver making the catch.
Ben is Superman
This pretty much sums it up for me:
Thought number one was: "YOU STUPID MOTHERF@#%&*R! IF YOU WOULD HAVE THROWN THE DAMN BALL AWAY, YOU WOULDN’T HAVE HAD YOUR ANKLE SNAPPED OFF AND SUNK THE ENTIRE PITTSBURGH SEASON!"
Thought number two was: "Oh. My. God. Roethlisberger is not mortal. Perhaps he is a robot sent back in time to grope women and win football games."
My heart swelled up with so much pride when he returned to the field after the half. It’s hard to describe, but I felt myself get bigger, like the Grinch finding the true meaning of Christmas. I could not help but love that man for what he’s willing to sacrifice for the team.
I was thinking that his ankle was broken and his knee was shredded and all he had to do was throw the ball away. Then the tough bastard comes back in the game. UNBELIEVABLE!!! Ben is one tough SOB – this one is even crazier than the Nose Break. I hope he is ready for the 49ers.
Off topic: What are the chances we can pick up Norv Turner for OC in the off season?
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
Norv
Slim to none? What makes you believe that would happen?
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Well, he (and AJ Smith) is goinig to be fired and he isn't likely to get another head Coaching position immediately as he hasn't been very successful as a Head Coach
So most likely he is an OC somewhere next year (unless he takes time off), why not in Pittsburgh?
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
What would be the ties with anyone in the organisation? That often is an indication of where people will end up. Otherwise it’s pure guesswork. Not that there’s anything wrong with having a little fun…
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
yeah, I don't think there are any connections at all, I just want a good OC and Norv is a great OC.
I would make a play on that guy, our Offense would become a lot more dynamic with the tools we have…
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
He is a good OC. Just not sure how that would happen.
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Well
If the Chargers continue to poop the bed, he probably gets fired, and unless the Steelers win the Bowl, the team can turn to Arians,and say “thank you for all you’ve done, we are going in a different direction, and BY THE WAY THE BUBBLE SCREEN DOESN’T ALWAYS WORK WHEN YOU THROW IT ONLY TO RECEIVERS AND LEAVE AND EMPTY BACKFIELD!!!!”
And then hire Turner.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
LOL at the Bubble Screen...
But hey, I saw the “I’ve seen it work draw play” work last night, so hope springs eternal for the bubble screen too.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
One can dream!
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
And regarding the Niners
I say this as a fan of both teams: #7 should probably sit, just to avoid betting hurt further by the Smiths or Brooks, and to be ready for the more crucial games that are on the way.
That said, I would love for these teams to meet a second time in about seven weeks..this matchup simply features both team’s most important player being injured, which is unfortunate…
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
I think he should sit..but he can’t After the SF game we got the Rams, then the Clowns again. Obviously going out against the 9ers risks further injury, but if he can make it through that game, he can sit the rest of the regular season.
Either way, what you or I think don’t mean shit. You know he’s going to be out there unless he’s strapped down to a gurney.
And “both teams most important players being injured”? Whatchu mean? Alex Smith is a go as far as I know ;)
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Agreed RE: our opinions
They will sort it out on gameday, and oddly enough, though we are both standing by our phones, neither MT nor Harbs will call to ask for our advice. Crazy bastards…
Alex Smith= good human being, average QB, important to the team only because of the position he plays. I get that you were joking around, but yes, Willis is undoubtedly the most talented 9er, and the sole silver lining on the past several years. His absence makes every SF fan wonder just what the hell we would do without him.
It’s amazing that in that draft, there were three players drafted in near succession, and of them, Timmons is the LEAST accomplished as a pro, despite being exceptional and beastly. (Revis, Willis, LT V 2.0)
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
and oddly enough, though we are both standing by our phones, neither MT nor Harbs will call to ask for our advice. Crazy bastards…
I choked on my drink a little reading that. haha
Next point…yes I was joking around. I am aware of what a freak of nature Willis is. As a fan of both teams, you gotta admit, he has “Steeler LB” written all over him, right?
As far as least accomplished…ehhh. I understand the two you named are great and everything, but they are also in position to soak up the spotlight. Timmons has a specific job to do, it’s not as glamorous, but it is very important, and he is very good at it. However, given the choice between him and Willis, and this pains me to say it because of that loyalty shit…you know who I would take.
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Right
Of the guys my Niners have had the fortune/wisdom to draft in recent decades, I am tacitly aware that both Lott and Willis would have made fantastic Steelers. Haley too, but he was suck an asshole that only Dallas would take him.
Willis would have been phenomenal in Pittsburgh, but the football gods were like “let’s give this ridiculously talented dude to the Niners, and see if that helps them…the Steelers already have Harrison, if we give them Bamm Bamm, it will just be unfair, and Flacco will cry.”
And yes, I think Timmons is a tremendous player, and sort of like a big version of Troy (albeit, not as instinctual.) On a lesser team, he would get recognition for being phenomenal. He has put together REALLY good seasons the past 2 years, and if he can correct a few things here and there, still has a chance to put his name in the record books.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
He still strikes me as someone who has not maxed out his abilities.
Two areas in particular where I think he just needs to improve a little to gain a tremendous edge are timing the snap count, and in pass coverage- he is good at the latter, but tends to bat balls down, rather than intercept them. That is fixable, and that’s a scary thought.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
You must have forgotten
about Wallace’s 19 yd td last week against the Bengals.
Nope
Which is why I included “always.” I think it’s a neat play, there’s just a time and situation for calling it, and Arians seems to think if he doesn’t call at least one every time the Steelers have the ball, he is somehow not doing his job.
With Wallace, it was nice to see a great call, and nice to see that toughness and versatility from him. THAT is how your prove you’re not a “one-trick pony”.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
By the way
looks like you may have been right about Garcia.
If Yates gets hurt, I will be more than curious to see what he has left in the tank.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Last night when Batch came in and looked flustered, Garcia was the first guy I thought of
Then I found out this morning he has a new employer. Damn.
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Batch will be a lot better
Given 11 days to prepare. I wonder if #7 plays- given that the Steelers have January ambitions, and given that it’s the sort of thing that he needs to stay off of for it to heal, logic dictates that he sits the Monday night game.
Logic, however, doesn’t have a lot to do with football.
I want my Niners to win, but I also want to see a great game. On the other hand, SF may not have its best player, so we shall see. I remain doubtful that Garcia still has “it”, but we shall see.
What’s Dixon’s current status?
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think I would start Dixon
Dixon has been inactive but I think that is mostly to activate players to help out at injury positions. For one thing it could showcase some of his talents for when he leaves and i think his mobility will be needed (especial if Pouncey isn’t back by then).
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Response to your off-topic question
Teams don’t fire offensive coordinators after winning superbowls. But other than that I’d say it’s a good idea.
We should start a new trend - but you are right
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Don't have to fire, his contracts up after this year
They only resigned him to a one year extension
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
^ This I like, man I hope we make a play for Turner
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Goaline stand question and the horror that is 68
Something is beyond me : why stick with Chris Kemoeatu when he stank up the joint? The penalties were bad, especially the holding one where Ben got hit anyway by his man, but to me that’s the retard we’ve come to know. What I can’t stand is when his run blocking sucks. Let me illustrate :
On that third and goal play when they ran a power and he’s lead puller he just ignored his man and turned towards a guy that was already blocked. Sure enough his guy presses the opening and BOOM! Mendenhall is on his ass. That was a sure shot TD if he just does what he’s supposed to do best. The idiot picks up his guy and that sequence turns into another hardnosed pounding and the game is all but over.
Enough with the neanderthal already. I’m no fan, but Trai Essex has to be the 6th guy from here on out. No ifs or buts about it. Kemo does not see the field unless at least two injuries occur.
Consider this an official Kemoeatu hate post. Feel free to join me!
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
I was so pissed at that SOB Kemo last night
But his backup is Trai Essex…….not that comforting.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
by Han on Dec 9, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
+1
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe
But at this point I’d feel better with Jamon Meredith in there! Heck, I’d trust Hines to play guard over that toolbox!!!
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
LMAO
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
But is it that much worse than Kemo? His penalties come are such drive killers. I know there is never a good time to get a penalty but he allways seems to manage to screw it up when momentum could shift in our favour.
You are correct there
ALWAYS seems to come at the worst time with Kemo
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I officialy signed up for the Kemo hate starter kit...
He has such a dumb look on his face after every penalty he gets. My GF said he looked goofy and needs to take his penalties like a Steeler and a man. Wow!
by steeler fever on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. Holds are drive killers. Kemo was getting one on almost every drive yesterday. Against a better defense, that could cost us the game.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Plus
As I explained, when his run blocking starts to suck, what is there left? Dumb penalties and awful pass pro? Give me Essex any day over that primate!
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
"What is there left?"
The mullet. You forgot the mullet. That’s what’s left.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Right
That is an amazing way to compensate for lack of skill! Mullets rock!
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
"by the power of Greyskull"
I mean, they worked for He-Man AND Kevin Greene; what’s not to love?!?
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Don't put him in against Justin Smith
That would result in the penalty yardage record in league history. On national television. Alex Smith could throw for 130 yards, but if my Niners can get 200 yards in penalites, who cares?!?
Seriously though, looking forward to the game, and am a fan of both teams.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone know Pouncey's status?
I want Holyfield! You've seen what these guns can do in the Middle East. Now I'm gunna show you what they can do in the ring.
-The late and GREAT Chris Farley- RIP
MT said it was a high ankle sprain (like Ben's injury).
He looked pretty hurt out there. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t miss at least one game.
Ben is a Warrior + Walking to Locker Room is overrated
As the game was now shown in Buenos Aires, I can only agree with Michael – Ben is a warrior. Heck, even looking at him in the still photos shows that the man is in serious pain.
The only thing I want to “caution” against is that just because a player walks to the locker room on his own power, does not mean that he’s has no serious injury. Those with long memories will remember that Rod Woodson was taken off the field on a cart on opening day in 1995, only to then get up and walk (not limp, walk) by himself to the locker room.
We all thought he was going to be OK, and the initial report was a sprained knee. Of course, after the game a sprained knee became a torn ACL….
by Hombre de Acero on Dec 9, 2011 10:01 AM EST reply actions
We have a Spartan at QB
He’ll probably end up retiring early with all the abuse he’s taken and you can say whatever you want about Ben as a person, but you have to respect him as a football player. To quote Drago; “He’s like a piece of iron.”
Whatever Ben is made of
I want some of it so I can inject itno my arm and knee
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Love Ben and sure, he IS the toughest player in the NFL .
But it sure woulda been nice if he had thrown the ball away in that situation and not have had to suffer a near season ending injury. I know its what Ben does, keeping the play alive and all. Good with the bad and all that.
One thing, Ben has complete respect from his team mates. They were playing really hard for Ben. The O-line always seems to play harder when Ben is hurt and I am afraid this ailment may stretch into the playoffs.
At what point...
…can you stop calling Heath Miller “sure handed” or his fumbles “uncharacteristic”? It seems to me that his fumbles are becoming more frequent, and more devastating.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Huh?
Granted all of his career fumbles have come in the past four seasons but he’s still only fumbled 5 times in his seven year career. He’s had only one season in which he fumbled more than once (2009)
Go big or go home!!
by average joe blow on Dec 9, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I guess the one earlier this season was technically an interception.
The one last year basically lost the New Oreleans game. Or in the alternative, maybe I’m just salty about the game still. They were pretty sloppy again last night.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I was curious
5 career fumbles and 329 career receptions. That’s 1.52%
Tony Gonzalez – 6/1135, 0.53%
Antonio Gates – 3/575, 0.52%
Todd Heap – 7/480, 1.46%
Dallas Clark – 6/421 1.43%
Chris Cooley 11/428 2.57%
Owen Daniels 7/289 3.81%
Vernon Davis 7/285 2.43%
Donald Lee 4/206 1.94%
Marcedes Lewis 3/211 1.42%
Zach Miller 3/244 1.23%
That’s good enough. He seems about average to me.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but what if you re-compute the numbers for the last two seasons?
Like I said above, I think I’m just frustrated by the generally sloppy play against Kansas City and Cleveland. I don’t think that “Heath Miller fumbles all the time” will be borne out by statistical evidence. But what does it say when normally reliable players start to lose discipline.
I’m just venting. But the penalties, Antonio Brown constantly dancing like a jack ass, the turnovers, the illegal hits, the nonsensical play calling at the goal line… I’m just a bit frustrated. And they won, so I should probably quit bitching, but I see lack of discipline being something that sinks the Steelers this season, and in the future as well.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I was thinking the same last night.
I was thinking how many times I have heard him referred to as sure handed after a fumble. I may be extra sensitive to it but it seems to be getting more frequent
He carries the ball out away from his body. A hit will cause a fumble.
You're right
I think the league average is something along the lines 2% plus a smidge. I’d link the website where I saw it except it was a while ago.
Gotta give Ben credit, he is a straight up baller. Hate the Steelers, but got a ton of respect for Ben.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Glad you can say that Malor
Most folks can’t get their hate out of the way of clear thought. While we are at it, can we have Rice?
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I am not going to sit here and say that I was sentimental when I saw his foot bend backwards, I am sure you all know what my reaction was. But I bent my ankle back like that when I was 16 in a lacrosse game, (didn’t break) and boy does that shit hurt. I guarantee you Ben is having a damn tough time walking this morning.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Thanks for the respect
Personally I don’t hate the Ravens. I respect the way that team has been put together and what it stands for. They’re our rivals, I love to beat ’em but how could I hate an organisation so much like our own. Well, minus five Lombardis and without all the history and tradition, that is…
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Ben
He can be a prima donna, but no question the guy’s both tough and good. Not only came back, but played extremely well.
OUCH!!!!!!!
Hard to watch and even harder to believe he was able to come back in and play.
Ben coulda played in any era…
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously
my ankle would have broken off and my foot would only have been connected by skin and sock.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
With the way Ben plays, I've always dreaded he would inevitably exit the game a la Joe Theismann.
I thought for sure that injury was it. Never a dull moment watching this guy play (or not play). Hats off to him for being the toughest SOB (who isn’t a RB) in the NFL.
Don’t be surprised if you see a major drop off in production from him in 2-3 years because of all these injuries. He is not going to last much longer if your organization doesn’t start surrounding him with elite O-Line talent.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
BB style of play is a lot what get BB in trouble.
He could have easily thrown the ball away. He had already extended the play, but he wanted to extend it even longer. Blaming the O-line for Ben’s sacks, is mistating the problem.
by steeler fever on Dec 9, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and NO
Those in the first 2-3 seconds are the fault of the line/protection scheme.
Those in the next 4-18 seconds are on Ben. I wish Arians would get in his ear more about getting rid of the ball/not getting slaughtered by the pass rush.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 10, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly...
I think the only thing that can stop that guy if somebody pulled the pin on a grenade and he somehow managed to swallow it before it exploded.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Goodell .......
….was probably sitting at home in a puddle of his own drool at the thought that he gets to fine Harrison.
by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions
Ben vs Chuck Norris
Who wins?
Is it a draw and the start of the Big Crunch and the end of the universe as we know it?
Mind-boggling stuff…
Dick, what would Woody (Hayes) say to you now: "He'd say, 'LeBeau, get your hair cut.'"
Ben is back in the ring looking to take another swing.
But Chuck Norris wins, nobody can beat him. But during the fight Ben, kept getting back up and chuck would knock him down again and he would get up again. Finally Chuck, just walked off. Mumbling to himself how that the big kid don’t have no sense.
by steeler fever on Dec 10, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Big Ben vs Rocky Balboa...?
…the fans would be all passed out, or have left before either one of those two gave up.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Rocky wins
I knew Ben was gonna lose, when I heard Eye Of The Tiger, playing before the fight. Both fighters went down right before the bell rang ending the final round. Rocky got up before the bell and Ben didn’t until the bell had already rang. SO Rocky wins a real slobberknocker of a fight.
Told Ben, he didn’t want no rematch. "
by steeler fever on Dec 10, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions

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