Thoughts and Ramblings After Pittsburgh's 14-3 Win Over Cleveland
It likely won't get much sloppier for the Steelers than Thursday's 14-3 win over Cleveland. Certainly, emotional divisional games bring out some of that sloppiness, but it nearly did in the 10-3 Steelers. There are no rankings that matter in the NFL, except record. Any win in a contender's Week 12 and Beyond schedule is huge.
Credit to Antonio Brown and David Johnson for their career-best performances, and credit to the Browns for a physical defensive game plan. In the end, it's a win kicking off a badly needed few days of rest.
Here are my thoughts upon a second viewing.
- The start to this game looked like two offensive heavyweights were about to square off. Between Colt McCoy and Ben Roethlisberger, neither made a poor throw in their respective team's opening series. In a short week, it figured it'd be the offense struggling right away.
- Was that version of McCoy the same one we've seen recently? Look at his throw to Moore on the first drive, and the throw to Massaquoi (not the one he blatantly pushed off William Gay) were excellent. He really just doesn't have the arm strength, or at least he's not driving from his legs on his throws.
- This Cleveland team is the best one we've seen during their recent stretch of dismal seasons. Not sure if that means anything or not, but if nothing else, their game plan was to beat the tar out of Roethlisberger, and they succeeded.
- Then again, McCoy's arm strength - or lack thereof - nullified the turnover advantage they should have had. Great play by Haden on Miller's fumble, well-coached defense led to Ward's fumble. Both off-set Polamalu's interception, which was really caused by the fact McCoy doesn't have a satisfactory level of heat on his fastball. It's not worth repeating the nearly laughable lack of playmakers the Browns have. If you think they aren't going to use some of the dearth of picks they got from Atlanta to trade up to 2 with Minnesota for Justin Blackmon, you're crazy.
- What's that phrase we hear the broadcasters use all the time during replays? "He must see irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the field." I'm at a loss for words trying to explain what Hochuli saw under the hood to overturn Brown's catch. In fact, what you see is "irrefutable evidence" that he made the catch. I won't back from my stance that it was a stupid challenge, and probably the worst overturned call I've ever seen. Only in the NFL can officials take something that's supposed to be objective, and put their own subjectivity into it.
- In Week 13, the Steelers got three red zone touchdowns. In Week 14, they turned the ball over three times (Roethlisberger's interception was at Cleveland's 16-yard line) in the red zone. Weeks 13 and 14 were only four days apart. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
- A four play offensive sequence in the second quarter: Ward fumble, Gilbert false start, Miller fumble, Gilbert false start...did I mention four days ago the Steelers kicked four lives out of the Bengals in the second quarter? Two nice runs by Mendenhall, and the Franchise is lying on the ground in pain after his ankle is gruesomely rolled over.
- Part of that can be attributed to Roethlisberger having all day to make a throw, finding no one (really? No one was open after seven seconds?), and getting his ankle gruesomely rolled over.
- We've been kind of living on the edge, haven't we? Let's be honest, we knew Roethlisberger was going to suffer a pretty significant injury at some point. Probably will get another one at some point. That's just the way it's going to go. If Baltimore or New England end up beating Pittsburgh in the playoffs with someone other than Ben under center, then fine.
- What I do know, however, is when I saw Chaz in a stocking cap on the sideline, and I saw Ben reaching for his helmet, my only thought was "I wish I had a son right now. When I do have a son, I'm going to show him this replay, and explain to him what courage and leadership are all about." I'm sorry you're unlikely to walk when you're 60 years old, Ben, but I saw you do something normal people simply cannot do.
- In lighter news, Charlie Batch is literally half the size of Roethlisberger. It was like the Steelers subbed Roethlisberger out and put in a 14-year-old kid. A 14-year-old kid who doesn't look like he takes any snaps during the week. He looked confused and out of place simply handing the ball off.
- Pouncey's injury wasn't very different from Roethlisberger's. Chris Gocong got knocked over, and landed right on Pouncey's ankle when he was engaged with Phil Taylor.
- Obviously Roethlisberger came back in the game, but I'm far more worried about Pouncey right now. Chris Kemoeatu played perhaps the worst game of his soon-to-be-over career, and this team flat-out will not win with him at left guard. Way too many penalties, poor pass protection...if Pouncey's out for significant time, something will need to happen with Kemoeatu in order to compete in the playoffs.
- On the other hand, it may be nothing 10 days between games couldn't fix. Remember, Maurkice, R.I.C.E. - Rest, Ice, Compress, Elevate. I think that's how it goes.
- Stanford G David DeCastro would look pretty awesome in black and gold. Definitely worth trading up for, Mr. Colbert. Please. Sir.
- Underrated play of the game: Jason Worilds sack/forced fumble at the end of the first half. McCoy is not easy to sack. He's elusive. Worilds spun off his block and got seven yards of steam built up. He didn't try to strip the ball, the force of his hit popped it from McCoy's hands.
- You think Roethlisberger playing on that bum ankle didn't inspire his team? Look at that first drive, watch how aggressively the line is blocking and how hard the backs are running. Brown dropped that third down pass, though. Things just never got back to the rhythm of the Steelers opening drive. Way too many dumb penalties (Kemoeatu, Gilbert, Foster) and poor execution, not to mention the turnovers.
- David Johnson clearly is motivated by the recent emergence of Wes Saunders. Without question, the best game of Johnson's career. I had flashbacks of Dan Kreider leading Jerome Bettis through the hole out of the off-set I several times during this game. Not sure I can remember the last time the Steelers used a traditional fullback (Johnson and Redman) as a lead blocker this often. Much of that was due to an overpowered offensive line, but it worked at times during the game.
- Oh, and then there's that Wallace guy and that Brown guy. Brown's third-and-long catch and run and Wallace's catch-and-run are both career highlights for the superstars. Too bad Wallace didn't get in, but you can't come much closer than that, and you can't expect a guy to score on that. Unbelievably talented playmakers. Mike Holmgren must have been chewing iron after seeing the Steelers bevy of offensive talent.
- I love the decision to go for it on fourth down. I love the play call. I don't care if it didn't work, I have more than enough faith in the Steelers defense - and no faith in Colt McCoy at his 2-yard line. Save it, Keystoners. Don't wanna hear anything about Arians for that. Credit Cleveland, Gocong and Joe Haden in particular, for some good ol' fashioned run defense. Excellent job, hats off to them.
- I'm sorry, but James Harrison's hit on McCoy was something out of a dramatic sports movie. Watching it again, I still feel guilty laughing at it. He completely destroyed him. I can't believe he came back in, he couldn't have known where he was. Harrison will be fined a significant amount, and some people are even talking suspension. Not sure I agree with that, considering the current standard for on-field suspension involves stomping on an opponent who's lying on the ground (Suh and Haynesworth are the only two under Goodell to be suspended for conduct on the field).
- We may not like it, but there's no way Harrison's avoiding a fine for that one. Poor technique on his part. He should be aiming lower than that anyway. If anything, one could argue he started to break down, and upon seeing McCoy release the ball, he held back, and just bumped him. I feel that was Harrison's intention, but the fact he headbutted him really makes it a moot point.
- Cleveland did everything they could to get William Gay locked in one-on-one coverage. Gay made them pay for it. His INT at the end gave him his first multi-interception season, and frankly, he should have caught the one in the end zone in the first half.
- That being said, and before we all read another "William Gay Redemption" story, McCoy made a horrible decision and threw basically a jump ball. Interceptions like Polamalu's are good plays, I expect any NFL corner to catch that duck in the air. Gay simply caught a horrendously poor throw. Way more McCoy's fault than credit to Gay.
- If we're going to credit anyone after that game, it's Brown. The balance he displayed on that catch was unreal. Swann-like.
- He went into the air to make the catch, and it was like he hit the ground, spun perfectly to get his shoulders squared and accelerated to full speed in one step. The fact he spun to the outside shows the level of awareness he has. He spins inside, Haden's right there to make the tackle. It's hard to imagine many other receivers in the league being able to do what Brown did in the second after that catch. I really don't see many of them.
- And Haden slipping had little to do with the catch. Brown flat-out beat him. He's their best cover guy. Haden may have been able to slow him down after the catch, perhaps prevent the touchdown, but Brown's route was sheer perfection. Sort of strange that such a perfect individual play ended a game chock-full of poor individual plays, but a win is a win. I'm going to keep repeating this until people clue into the fact this team really isn't going to blow many teams out.
- They will, however, overwhelm you in the fourth quarter. Another two takeaways, another one in the fourth quarter. Unfortunately, they were negated by three red zone turnovers and a slew of stupid penalties.
- But, you'll go far in the NFL if you can win games in which you commit 12 penalties, turn the ball over three times (all in the red zone), go 2-for-8 on third down, and lose badly in time of possession (32-27) and plays (69-53).
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Great game by Brown, as Wallace continues to struggle to get open deep like he used to. How much longer before we see a team double down on Brown, and get lit up by Wallace? There’s no doubt that Brown is developing (yes, he’s still getting better) into a Wes Welker type threat. The way he made defenders look foolish without any help from blocking on that 79 yard catch and run sent the entire league a message that you have to tackle this guy as soon as the ball hits his hands or you will pay. That, and you can’t cover Brown with just one guy.
Props to Cotchery also, with veteran savvy he’s developed really good chemistry with Ben in just a few games.
Honest question
If McCoy is still protected on his run outside the pocket, why is it legal to go low on Ben outside of the pocket?
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If Harrison would have gone low on McCoy (provided he still had the ball or had just released it), he wouldn’t have gotten flagged. He got flagged cuz he headbutted him.
All of this assumes both QBs are out of the pocket, which they were.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
So, he is still a QB when he is outside the pocket but behind the LOS? So why wasn’t the low hit on Ben illegal? Not being a jerk, I honestly don’t know.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
No, I getcha, it’s confusing as hell. It looked to me more like a mass of bodies fell into Ben’s legs. It wasn’t one guy going low.
If we use the Pollard hit on Brady as the definitive source of the rule, he was one guy diving into his legs. The play last night looked to me more like pass rushers and blockers getting tied up around the QB, and unfortunately, falling onto his ankle.
Thinking about it now, perhaps Harrison would have gotten flagged if he went low.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
That makes more sense. I need to rewatch the game. I think I forgot what happened because I was in horror shock.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
My beer-per-quarter quota was drastically exceeded after that.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
LOL..
Paxson clearly lunged at Ben’s lower legs as shown in the animated gif that was posted in Michael’s article;
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, that’s a different angle than the one I’m looking at. However, Paxson starts initially looking to swipe his legs, and Ben came back toward him.
Just my opinion, I don’t think it was a dirty hit. My opinion differs greatly from the league in most cases, though.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think its dirty either...
But the refs need to be consistant on calls to protect qb’s…well especially ours. Broken nose from a blow to the head (Raven’s Ngata) and what almost could of been a season ending leg injury resulting in no penalty is rediculous.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
This^^^
The only thing they have done consistently is fine the Steelers.
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by lottwasgangsta on Dec 9, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it looks like he dives at his legs to me in that gif.
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Watch the whole play in Rewind, there’s more that happened than what the gif shows. Paxson wasn’t diving at his legs, he was reaching for them, and Roethlisberger moved back toward him and got stuck. I don’t think trying to grab a QB’s ankle in and of itself is a flag or a fine (Fline?), but I’m not even really sure anymore.
I think it goes back to him not being inside the pocket.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
He went low intentionally but it’s not a flag since he was trying to tackle him. The thing is that this is preferable to the league rather than trying to tackle Ben high and risk a H2H hit. I think Deebo had something to say about exactlly this kind of situation.
How many times has he been hit low this season? Almost exactly the same way. I kinda thought it was a borderline dirty low blow during the game.
Just watched to replays
Bottom line, that’s a 15 yarder if it’s Tom Brady. It should have been a penalty for any QB.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 9, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Above the knee
Contact was initiated on Big Ben above the knee. The Brady Rule specifically mentions below the knee at the point of impact. The NFL won’t fine a player for starting his hit at the thigh level, then sliding down the leg.
No a QB is void of the extreme late hate penalty ( one step rule) and the going low penalty outside the pocket. However they are still protected by helmet to helmet hits. If James hits him in the chest it wouldn’t of been a penalty. Who am I kidding they still would have thrown the flag.
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That’s pretty lame. So even if he tucks and runs it his helmet is still protected?
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by John Stephens on Dec 9, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
No the problem was Harrison saw what he thought was Colt running it… he should have kept his eyes up instead of trying to blow up Colt. Instead Colt pulled up to throw it and Harrison cam in a little high and a little late.
I completely agree that this is a judgement call whether Colt was considered a defenseless player. However if Harrison keeps his eyes up he could have avoided this and still laid the big hit.
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I think an amendment needs to be added to the rules to clarify this kind of situation. As it stands it’s counter-productive to safety. Specifically the spirit of the rule should be :
“When a player is running and sees 242 pounds of angry Deebo running at you at full speed every effort should be made by the player to not be a dumb-ass and hope that fines and magical pixie dust will somehow warp the laws of physics allowing you to escape the collision.
Said players first priority is therefore to protect his sorry ass first and not try to throw the ball away. If not said player should make sure beforehand that he meets the proper toughness standards (See Ben Roethlisberger). "
I only ever played rugby so feel free to tell me I’m wrong or an ass-hole as much as you want I wont hold it against you. But what Colt did seems like an extremely dumb move to pull. He braced for the collision so he knew Harrison would not be able to miss him.
by axiomatic on Dec 9, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I too played rugby...
…and to solve this whole legal/not legal helmet use, they should take the helmets away. Those improperly using them will then quickly learn not to.
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by PaVaSteeler on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No thanks. Taking away helmets will take away the collision aspect of the game and will turn it into rugby, which I do not want to watch.
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oh I don't think they're going anywhere
It would be a shame if some middle ground can’t be reached. It’s one of the things that makes football a unique sport.
But I’d like to see the league invest into some research to maybe improve the quality of protection that it provides. And then mandate the safest option available.
I think the players of bygone days...
…would argue with your statement that it will “…take away the collision aspect of the game…”.
I know in my rugby days, the collisions were not tamed in any way, you just had much better awareness of how your head was positioned.
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Are rugby hits hard? Sure. But they are nothing like the collisions that go on in the NFL. If you can find me a video of a rugby player hitting someone like Jack Tatum did, then go ahead, but I doubt you can.
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Sounds like a job for the resident Kiwi
The collisions are just as brutal, but notice players lead with shoulders and chests. These hits happen at least a half dozen times a game, every game. All without helmets, and barely any concussions ever occur
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by Michael Hewitt on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, those hits were nice, but I wouldn’t say they are just as brutal as a lot of NFL hits. Plus, the games are too different to compare, so while rugby players may not need helmets, NFL players do. Can you imagine Brown going across the middle of the field and getting popped by a cornerback, neither of whom have a helmet? That wouldn’t end well. Also, if I’m correct, in rugby you don’t pass the ball like in the NFL, so the collisions of players isn’t the same.
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When McCoy cradled the ball like a runner Harrison saw his opportunity. McCoy saw who was there and decided to get rid of the ball. He could have slid into 2nd base instead.
I also think the Brownies violated league rules by allowing him back in the game, but I don’t think Harrison should be fined more than $15K.
by IronJake on Dec 9, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree on the Browns after the hit Colt clearly look like he lost consiousness for a secod and looked groggy. I could tell he had a concussion I am just a pre-med student so how a certified team health official couldn’t is beyond me.
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How could it happen?
I’ll tell ya how… they didn’t want Seneca Wallace in and don’t mind breaking the rules. They’re bitching about James Harrison and how he should be suspended, yet the “concussion issue” will be swept under the rug. Their coaching STAFF should be suspended.
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Awesome summary
- When Ben was hurt my confidence that Charlie can win the game for us was somewhere around 60%. After seeing him play couple of snaps it plummeted down to 1%.
- I also liked going for it on 4th down and didn’t mind the call at all.
- James Harrison is gonna get fined. No question about it. I just hope there is no suspension. And somewhere I actually felt good after that hit (pardon my ruthlessness). The way Mack was mauling our D-line and not getting called for those, the Harrison hit was a perfect redemption.
- I have never been so frustrated with one single player as I was with Kemo last night. Holding penalties are 10 yards and it just rips our heart out when the drive is going so well. In fact, all of Kemo’s penalties this season have been at a time where we are cruising along.
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- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
I liked the call on 4th down - just not the personnel
Mendenhall is good, but his pad level is too high. They should have brought in Redman after Mendy failed on 1st and 2nd.
by lkwdsteel on Dec 9, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
4th down...
…was Johnson getting blown up. Johnson had a great game, but he failed on that particular play.
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There was no variation in each try. They all wanted to drive it up the middle, 4 straight times, if I remember correctly.
Not quite
Two went off tackle. At least one of them seemed like it was designed to.
One went straight up the middle.
I think the other was supposed to go off guard.
All of them went off the right side. It gives the defense a good idea how to defend it. But it also gives us experience with how they are going to defend it. It as just bad execution on our part.
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I liked going for it too, even the play was okay, I just prefer to have Redman there instead of Mendy.
I guess I'm old school
but I didn’t like going for it on 4th down. This was a very tight game at the time, and 3 points could have certainly ended up deciding the game. I say take the easy points, and pound our way back down there for 7 the next time. No shame in taking a VERY high percentage field goal and walking away with 3….instead of zero.
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by LifelongSteelerFanInVa on Dec 9, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Good poast...
…only thing I would argue with is:
And Haden slipping had little to do with the catch
Had Haden not slipped, I doubt it would have been a TD, though the catch still may have been made; but thats the breaks and why the game is played.
No complaints from me on this win; given the circumstances, and the injuries, I’m actually pleased with how the team rallied.
Especially agree with your comments on the goal-line stand. Steelers didn’t “blow it”, the Browns made a damn good stand, Gocong in particular. Our play wasn’t perfect, but theirs was.
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Had Haden not slipped, I doubt it would have been a TD, though the catch still may have been made; but thats the breaks and why the game is played.
Right, that’s why I wrote it had nothing to do with the catch – as in, him catching the pass. The run piece of it may not have happened, cuz Haden would have been right there to probably push him out of bounds.
I’m really not sure there’s much any defensive back can do against a back shoulder fade anymore. When you can run that route perfectly, and the QB can throw it perfectly, you’re unstoppable. See, Packers, Green Bay, passing offense.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Bowen
on NFP put up a whole article on the very subject of that being essentially indefensible last night, using Antonio’s catch as an illustration.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I am curious
Shouldn’t that Browns player have been called when he wrapped up BB’s legs below the knees in the 2nd half?
Things can always be worse....
I guess Note 2 should apply so if he tried to tackle him it was ok. I don’t think either of the hits on bens legs last night are flagable offenses as far as i’m able to interpret the rules since this does not even apply if the QB is out of the pocket which was the case in the first half hit.
HITTING PASSER’S KNEE
(5) A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one
or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is
blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him;
Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he
is being contacted by another player.
Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt
to tackle him.
That's stupid.
A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee
and
It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.
Those two statements contradict each other.
Well as far as I read it you can try to wrap bellow the knee but you can’t hit with any part of the body like shoulder, head whatever else. So arms are ok every other part of the body is not. At least that’s the only interpretation I can think of that makes any sense.
But yeah it’s confusing as hell. Sadly it’s a direct copy/paste from the rulebook.
If we interpret it like you did, then it was an illegal hit because his chest/stomach area landed on the back of his calf/leg/ankle – which is below the knee.
Which hit?
If you mean the one in the first half when Ben got injured initially? This does not even apply. There is a section a bit lower in the rulebook that explicitly states that this applies only when the passer is in the pocket.
The hit in the second half I don’t know I’d have to rewatch it again to be sure. But I don’t think that either one was illegal.
Quick thoughts:
- Jason Worilds is coming on. 9 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF. Starting to feel a little better about the OLBs. Still need to get Woodley healthy. This D is starting to look like it wants to make a run.
- Kemo should NOT see the field again as a Steeler. Whether its Essex, Meredith, the two guys on the practice squad or whomever. He did his best to lose this game last night. He is really struggling. He was holding and getting penalties and his man was still hitting Ben. Incredible.
- Deebo, get ready to dig deep.
- Ben’s career could be summed up in that game. He could have easily have thrown that ball away on that unnecessary hit that he took, but he held on to it trying to make a play. Ben will be lucky to be able to walk when he’s age 50. For his sake and the sake of his family, I do hope that he learns that he doesn’t have to take all of those hits.
- I still miss the days when the teams didn’t have the option of running the ball against the Steelers. But then again, the Seelers secondary couldn’t cover and make plays like the way that it is now. Would you rather the D play like last year stopping all who tried to run and be a liability on the back end or give up some yards in the running game but have the personnel and ability to man up in the secondary like this D can do now? (In today’s NFL, I’ll probably take the later).
- Nice game by David Johnson. Is it me or has Heath made more mistakes in 13 games this year than he has in his whole career? W. Saunders is still a weapon that this team needs to use.
- Cotchery should be ahead of Hines in my eyes right now. Hines is not helping his swan song season by catching 1-yard passes and then putting the ball on the ground. Brown and Wallace are game-changers and are only going to get better. Sanders should take all the time he needs to get healthy.
- Big Snack is not the Big Snack of old, but he is playing better now than he did at the beginning of the season. I think the first two picks this year need to be G then NT.
- Ben said last night after the game that he had never had a high ankle sprain before. It made me think, damn, what injury haven’t you had. He’s tough as nails but you have to feel for him in his post-football career getting around.
- K. Colbert, G Decastro from Stanford might be worth the price of moving up if it means that Kemo and Essex can be shown the door.
- Anyone who says that Mendenhall isn’t tough should review that goal-line stand. He took a few hellacious shots from Gocong. Anyone wanted Redman to get a carry or two down there.
- I understand the message that Tomlin wanted to send by going for it on 4th down. However, there comes a time when you have to try and win the game first and then send your message later. Gotta take the points and make them score more than a touchdown to beat you.
by datruth4life2.0 on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great points
Kemo should NOT see the field again as a Steeler.
Hyperbole won’t even do justice to how poorly he played last night. The only leeway I’ll give him is coming off the bench in that physical of a game isn’t easy. I can understand some of it. But it just kept happening.
Would you rather the D play like last year stopping all who tried to run and be a liability on the back end or give up some yards in the running game but have the personnel and ability to man up in the secondary like this D can do now? (In today’s NFL, I’ll probably take the later).
I’m not sure it’s even the choice of a defense anymore. When even the Cleveland Browns and their JV level receivers line up five-wide, it’s obvious teams want to play wide a lot more than play tight. Because of that, defenses are forced to play in their sub packages (nickel, dime, etc.). Teams can run out of their five-wide a bit easier than defenses can stop the run in a five-wide. That’s where those yards are coming from.
In the end, though, Cleveland had 97 yards rushing and scored 3 points. I’m pretty ok with that.
Cotchery should be ahead of Hines in my eyes right now.
Hines barely played last night. The fact is, this team no longer wants to run, even when they gashed Cleveland on the ground (147 yards, 5.3 per carry) they still just slightly less than they ran (28 rushes, 23 passes). That number is skewed because of Roethlisberger’s injury. You think they were running the ball on those series if Batch wasn’t in there?
Anyway, Ward is clearly not at the same level of the Steelers receivers. As weird as this sounds, I think we’re understating how good Brown and Wallace are. Cotchery is a good receiver, and he barely sees the ball in a passing offense. I think Sanders is really good as well. Hines just doesn’t fit into that. I feel like lighting myself on fire after that statement.
Anyone who says that Mendenhall isn’t tough should review that goal-line stand. He took a few hellacious shots from Gocong.
True. Haden single-handedly prevented a TD on 3rd down too. They really did an excellent job.
As far as taking the points goes, I get that making it a 7 point lead appears to be the wiser, safer choice. Here’s the problem, though. When your defense is clearly dominating your opponent’s offense, you’re comfortable with them having the ball. If you take the points, you have to kick off. We’ve seen what Cribbs can do. He’s the only guy on the Browns Pittsburgh should be concerned with getting the ball. So taking the points in that case greatly increases the chance Cribbs gets the ball when your defense isn’t on the field. Plus, you’d have a touchdown lead, but you’ve given them probably 17 or 18 more yards by kicking off.
I’m happy with a four-point lead and McCoy’s feet on his goal line at the snap, especially when that’s a worst-case scenario. If we score there, obviously, it’s a great call. But you make those choices based on the worst-case scenario, which they deemed an acceptable risk. Tomlin wasn’t sending a message, he was playing it to the worst-case scenario.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
taking the points in that case greatly increases the chance Cribbs gets the ball when your defense isn’t on the field.
Agreed, except that I think that Cribbs was out by then – he was injured at some point and was on the sidelines for the rest of the game. I totally agree with going for it there, however, given that the worst-case scenario is that they get the ball on the 2-yard line. (Well, almost worst-case – I guess something worse could happen, but it seems unlikely with all those guys there.) My only question is whether after Mendy took that vicious head hit on the first attempt whether you don’t pull him and put Redman in. But then I’m not the coaches.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, something worse could have happened...
…Someone could have fallen on Ben’s leg…or Kemoeatu had to come into the game…oh wait. Those things happened.
There could be something strategic about leaving Mendenhall in there. Put a formation in which the Steelers throw out of at the goal line, but either way, we got stopped. I’d be pretty excited about that if I was a Browns fan. Very impressive defense last night.
I may get sick if they trade up to 2 with Minnesota to take Blackmon…I really think that will make them a competitive team next year.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Kemo and Hines
Kemo just does not play smart. Certainly there never is a good time for a hold, but he seems to have a knack for finding the worst time to hold.
That said, i am surprised that people are saying he’s done on this team. Even J Scott was getting more love during his bad play earlier this year. At the start of this year, people were calling Kemo our third best lineman. Are we better, or is he a lot worse?
And Hines… We proved two weeks ago that the WR screen is the wrong play for him now. Yet we were back at it this week. I would like to see him get his 1000 catches, but this is the wrong way to go about it.
For his sake and the sake of his family, I do hope that he learns that he doesn’t have to take all of those hits.
He’ll never learn. Ben’s gonna do whatever it takes to win a game, even if it means sacrificing himself
"I think every quarterback should believe they’re the best. Do I think there are better quarterbacks than me? Possibly. But would I take anyone else with the ball in their hands at the end of the game? I don’t think so." - Ben Roethlisberger-
you’re right. Ben has said many times in interviews, “I’ll never learn.” Well, he’s essentially said that he’s had success and that he’s not going to try to change anything about what he does. Arians backs him up with that.
That’s why people say, only half joking, that he plays better with injuries. He can’t run around so he throws quicker.
Good ramblings and observations…
I have one major concern and thats our backup QB situation. Charlie has just proven that he no longer is a capable backup. I was never sold on Dixon either.
by Bradhaw's index finger on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions
I had written down last night that if Ben did break his ankle, they’re gonna get Garrard or McNabb on the phone Monday morning. I get that he was cold, and sometimes it’s hard to expect him to come into the game and perform 100 percent on the first few plays, but he didn’t even seem to know what play he called.
This will be Batch’s last season in Pittsburgh, and they’re going to need to either re-sign Leftwich to a multi-year deal or bring in a veteran, and then draft someone. Maybe even get a project QB on the practice squad. Dixon wants out, and that’s fine with me.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you think maybe they should be calling Garrard or McNabb anyways?...
…given how “old” Batch looked? As much as I’ve admired Batch for what he did last year, and in years past, and how much he has been a quiet asset on the sidelines, his time has passed. Our cap probably makes doing anything this year moot, but it scares me that we have NO backup strong enough to at least manage a game in Ben’s absence.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
Lefty
Byron seems, like Colon, to be very breakable or injury prone. I would hate to depend on him as a back-up at this point.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
He's on IR -
we can’t use Lefty even if we want to.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
So, with Lefty on IR...
…Ben playing the way Ben plays, we choose to inactivate a young, health, strong (quasi) QB in favor of an aging, immobile vet like Batch (who I like, don’t get me wrong).
Wouldn’t it make more sense to activate Dixon, and manage him (though I realize BA has no experience in managing a QB; Ben doesn’t now need managing).
I just worry that there doesn’t appear to be a viable Plan B; I understand the IR situation, the cap situation, just makes me extremely nervous.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
I agree with PaVaSteeler
It makes no sense to have Dixon de-activated and have to depend on Batch as the backup – NO sense.
I agree. I think it’s time that the quest for Leftwich and Dixon is over. Draft a kid and find a solid back up on the woodpile of QBs out there. Ben’s style makes that crucial.
by StinkBomb on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Worilds
As a Virginia Tech student and fan, it was great seeing Worilds’ light come on a bit for the black and gold (I went ballistic when Rod Woodson announced his name at the draft). No, he’s not Woodley out of the box, but when either Woodley or Harrison go out, Worilds is getting it and he’ll only get better with more time.
+1
I think he’s more Harrison than Woodley, just from a style perspective. He’s gotta bulk up a bit, still gets swallowed up by the tackle too often. Gotta get stronger…very explosive though. I’d be interested in seeing if they couldn’t have a package with all three of them on the field.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Worilds is good, but not the answer
I mean, if we had to live with Worilds for a season, I could. Be he’s definitely a Clark Haggans, not a Lamarr Woodley.
Expecting Worilds to be Woodley or Harrison is unrealistic ...
You are talking about 2 of the top 5 pass rushers in the game today. However, that doesn’t mean he can’t be a good one. Give Worilds another year and then you’ll see what type of player he can be. If a player hasn’t shown something by his third year, then he’s probably not going to be what you thought he was. Our rookie class should be tough to deal with next year, especially the DB’s and Saunders.
by datruth4life2.0 on Dec 10, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, we're Steelers fans
We expect the worild from all out guys.
by theobserver on Dec 10, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Worilds is looking better and better the more playing time he gets. I’m excited about seeing him once he’s reached his full potential. By the way, I’m a UVA fan but once the Steelers drafted Worilds I no longer see him as a Hokie, he’s a part of the Black & Gold family now. I know how you felt when you saw him get drafted, I saw everyone of Heath Miller’s home games when he was at UVA and I went through the roof celebrating when the Steelers drafted him.
"I don't want to see anyone injured, but I'm not opposed to hurting anyone" - James Harrison
by LifelongSteelerFanInVa on Dec 9, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope
Someone gives the Steelers training staff a new Mr. Potato Ben bucket o’parts. I’m sure they have to be running low by now. They have to be out of thumbs and ankles I’m sure.
If only
it were possible!
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by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
funny stuff….
"I don't want to see anyone injured, but I'm not opposed to hurting anyone" - James Harrison
by LifelongSteelerFanInVa on Dec 9, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Every 3rd down and long, I fined myself screaming at the TV “ANTONIO BROWN WILL BE WIDE OPEN!!!” And then of course there he is with no one around him 25 yards down field. Happens twice in every game I have gotten a chance to watch.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Reminds me a lot of Santonio Holmes
Great hands, quick, full speed change of direction. If we had 1 good offensive guard the offense would be twice as explosive.
"Franz" in NoCal
This.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Perfect comparison. He does exactly what Holmes excelled at…..working the middle of the field, and does so without fear considering he is not the biggest WR out there.
He’s a good one, I have been saying it for a while now.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Dec 9, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He's not nearly as dumb off the field, which is a plus.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
He gets open like that because he’s so fast off the ball, he gets on top of the defender very quickly. They let him eat up all the cushion they gave him, so they overcompensate by backpedaling too far. Brown either runs a deep dig, or he curls right after the ball is out of Ben’s hand.
Boom. Too late for the defender to recover. Your boy LS2 is starting to do the same kind of thing.
LS2 is da truth!
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Big reason the Pitt offense is so much more explosive now - speed outside
I think Brown is already better than Wallace. I will also say that the last couple of games, Wallace is showing better movement after the catch. The almost-TD last night was a very good play.
Now, if we can only dredge up a Guard !!
"Franz" in NoCal
Good Post
I am still so confused on the Harrison hit. From my understanding of the rules if a QB leaves the pocket he becomes a runner and in fact if I remember correctly he made like he was going to tuck the ball and run it. So helmet to helmet is not in applicable for a RB. Or am I just wrong?
I don’t think Deebo should be suspended, I mean Richard Seymour wasnt and he punched Ben in the face.
by ChitownSteelerfan on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Any defensive player hitting any offensive player anywhere on the field the way Harrison did is gonna draw a Fline (flag+fine). There’s just no way around it.
Helmet-to-helmet not being applicable would matter if McCoy had headbutted Harrison. While it’s hilarious to think of what would have happened if that was the case, it’s not what happened.
by Neal Coolong on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
My question is how was harrison supposed to know that Colt was going to throw instead of run thus nullifying the protection a quarterback receives
The official rule book contains at Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(8) If the quarterback is "attempting to advance the ball as a runner," all protections apparently go away.
by ChitownSteelerfan on Dec 9, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
He'll be fined.
But if he’s suspended… Goodell will remove all doubt that he’s going after the Steelers and he’s not making it a secret.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Won't be a suspension
As much as Goodell has it in for Harrison, I think it’s clear that what Harrison was doing was a football act.
Generally, suspension-worthiness requires that it not be a football act involved. And even then, ask Richard Seymour how sometimes that’s not enough.
If Goodell
suspends Harrison for the 49er’s game for that hit, I’ll personally track him down (while wearing my James Harrison jersey mind you) and b*tch slap the begeezes outta him!
"I don't want to see anyone injured, but I'm not opposed to hurting anyone" - James Harrison
by LifelongSteelerFanInVa on Dec 9, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
^this
"I've been trying to justify you, in the end i will just defy you" Dream Theater
by OhioYinzer on Dec 9, 2011 3:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope Deebo
Sends Goodell a clip of him getting headbutted by an O lineman breaking his orbital bone taking him out for four games in response to his fine. BAM!
Any defensive player hitting any offensive player anywhere on the field the way Harrison did is gonna draw a Fline (flag+fine). There’s just no way around it.
I have seen plenty of times when a RB got hit worse than that play and there was no flag whatsoever.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
This game
See Mendy: 4 consecutive (failed TD) plays.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Had been saying to myself
all week, please no injuries… still think our running game is lacking, in part to poor run play calling… dive left, dive right is not are athletic lines strength… I love our passing game, but it gives way to all in pass rushing and significantly increases the likelyhood of injury to our thin depth at QB… some great individual efforts and a few stink bombs (Kemo).. sending some healing vibs from oregon to our men in Black and Gold…
2 dogs one bone
Remember last year when Tomlin referred to Sanders’ and Browns’ fight for a hat as “2 dogs one bone”.
A year later there are a handful of bones in a pile and its Brown and Wallace scrapping over them along with Sanders, Cotchrey, Ward, Miller, Saunders and Johnson. No question in my mind though who the hungriest dog is. Brown may not be the fastest (straight line fastest anyhow), but he sure has the most desire.
I think its fair to say
He has taken perhaps the greatest strides of any second yr player in the league
by OR69faithfull on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
something like Wes Welker
minus the wait
by SteelerBuddha on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think that any time that Brown drops a pass, he should have to give up his ‘first down signal’ for at least one full game.
by stylepoints on Dec 9, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Dec 9, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Great post
I will just say this – a lot went wrong last night, but I saw some real flashes of brilliance as well, I am gonna focus on the positive and hope that Ben and Pouncey get well soon. Great, great game by Brown, Wallace, and Gay, the future is bright.
"My mentality is singular in that I want to be world champs each and every year, so that's what we work toward. I have a tough time acknowledging levels of success short of that. That's just how I'm wired." - Mike Tomlin
Sometimes, I have to pinch myself to remember that Hochuli...
…is a “fellow” attorney (and I use the term very loosely, and not only because of the different nationality than mine): he does not seem to get the concept of “irrefutable evidence”, a pillar of the anglo-american criminal justice system, at all. Yes, there is a certain degree of subjectivity in reviewing these decisions, but he makes a mockery of the system, and the NFL should be very worried about it.
"It's better to exercise one's intelligence by doing trivial, stupid things than to exercise one's stupidity by doing intelligent things" Antoine Buéno (freely translated from French)
by Flying Polamalus on Dec 9, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions
Yes, I am being a little dramatic as far as objectivity goes. There’s no way to make that process objective; it’s inherently a subjective process.
However, I still cannot see anything in there that even remotely suggests he didn’t catch the ball, let alone any irrefutable evidence.
Poor, poor call, Mr. Hochuli. Love your explanations, but you blew this one.
True, might be
the worst call reversal in history, but in the greater scheme of the game, the play wasnt significant… I’ll let this one go as part of a flawed system/poor eye sight human error…
by OR69faithfull on Dec 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Hochuli is the Worst Ref in the NFL
does anyone doubt this? I know he gets love because of the guns, but the man is incompetent the last couple of years and no crew loses control of the game faster than his.
I believe his crew was left out of the playoffs last year and I hope the same is true this year.
its a shame
for years I thought he was one of the better refs in the league, but for the past few seasons he seems to get worse and worse…
"I don't want to see anyone injured, but I'm not opposed to hurting anyone" - James Harrison
by LifelongSteelerFanInVa on Dec 9, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Couplah random thoughts
Could Kemo have been coached to hold? Not explicitly, but it’s possible he was coached to, “protect Ben at all costs and we don’t care about flags.”
I don’t think Deebo is dirty. I am beginning to think he is careless.
Haden slipped because Brown made him do it. Brown ran the route perfectly and made a move that put Haden off balance. That was not an unlucky defender. That was Brown owning a defender.
Charlie Batch needs to practice with the first team offense. I find it improbable that he has suddenly become completely inept. He simply doesn’t have the timing down. Timing requires practice.
Speaking of practice, I have a bone to pick with the coaching staff. This Steelers team has been making mistakes, blowing opportunities, and playing to the level of their opponents. We have all the talent in world (minus an O-line), but the guys just are not executing. Lack of execution comes with lack of time spent perfecting the plays. Or the quality of that time is lacking, one or the other. Either way, it’s the coaches who are responsible for getting the most of out practices. Whatever they are doing, it doesn’t seem to be working. I can forgive this stuff early in the season, but that excuse dried up a while ago.
"They eat fish and are majestic" - Great Sergios Ghost
I totally agree on your last part
Playing to the level of competition means you are not being coached well that week, which results in being complacent and taking your opponent for granted.
During the Browns, Colts and the KC game sometimes it looked as if the players had no clue about their assignments or not prepared for the game at all. Compare that to the Patriots or the Bengals game. The potential is there, execution is not. This is coaching.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
by Han on Dec 9, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I dont totally blame the OL
the run play calling was 100% opposite the Cinny game, where we very effectively ran the ball outside the tackles… for the life of me, dont understand why the play calling on near every call was right down the gut…
by OR69faithfull on Dec 9, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
3 straight games with opponent below 10 pts
In the modern NFL, that is a hell of a streak.
by theobserver on Dec 9, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This largely goes unnoticed. It speaks volumes about the defense.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
McCoy even mentioned it in his post game presser. Something to the effect that the steelers defense brings it up a notch when in the red zone. You can go up and down the field but you gotta score points.
A couple of notes:
although most folks on this site have man-crushes on Farrior and Miller, they are not playing well…even terribly in fact.
It’s sad to see Farrior running around so slowly he can’t even catch the QB until he has slowed down after going OOB. It’s time to hang them up because we know Lebeau won’t take you off the field.
And the next three million times I hear how great Heath Miller’s hands are I’ll simply remember that he has probably dropped more passes than any Steeler in history…a good all-around TE with average pass catching ability who’s having a poor season…not god’s gift to football as some suggest.
Arians is as terrible as ever, Willie Gay continues to work his way out of the BTSC doghouse (not that he cares about that), Worilds body of work is equal to Woodley’s this season (about equal number of excellent and poor games as starter for each). 35 or so guys doing their job well to very well plus BB, Wallace, Ike, Deebo and Brown excelling is a nice recipe for success.
I agree that
Farrior’s football days are over. And its been really disheartening to see Heath Miller dropping balls, and devastating to see him fumbling. It seems he has been fumbling quite a bit as of late.
1 fumble in 2011. Not one fumble lost, one fumble period
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word
im so used to Heath being so reliable when it comes to catching balls and ball security so when a player of his caliber even makes a few mistakes it stands out to me more. He has had more than one fumble this season, and he just lost a fumble against cleveland tho
by blitzzburgh on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
For those complaining about the playcalling on the goal-line stand last night, Gerry Dulac had this to say on twitter:
Steelers had pass play called on third down on goalline series, but Ben had to check out to a run because Browns overloaded right side.
"You know how football is - if your mother's on the other team and you're coming out to play football, you're gonna hit momma" --L.C. Greenwood
That makes me feel better, but...
If they overload the right side, don’t you just hit the other side? Not run the same RB up the middle.
Also, there is a reason they talk about a changeup back. Redman should have been there on at least one play, just to change tempo.
Could Ben actually turn around in time
to get off a throw to the other side? Not the Ben I saw out there last night. He could hardly stand still, much less turn.
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 9, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
so
Fake the hand off Ben runs left touchdown OH only TBow could have done that The coach staff of the Steeler has much talent yet NO immagination for big plays.
Your screen name explains so much...
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
A "Great" Post by "datruth4life2.0
You made many good points. Worilds is definitely “coming into his own”. It is unfortunate for him that Harrison still has a “lot” in the bank to offer us and Woodley is young. Kemo is a “headcase”. Ben is a man,but he is taking too much punishment. And I don’t care what ANYONE says, I would rather have Dixon in the game than Batch. At least he is mobile and can move the ball. Batch is totally useless in there. All he can do is hand the ball off and try to throw 5 yard passes. Ben is not Superman (although he does a good imitation). We cannot afford to have Dixon sitting idle on the sidelines and us praying that no one has a clear shot at Ben. That is a painful and serious injury that Ben has. I can say that from personal experience. Big Snack is our weak link on our DL. He is constantly being pushed out of position on running plays and has nothing to offer on pass rush. I would suggest using a 4-3 with variations or replace Snack with McClendon. And, Mendy was a stud last night. Our coaching staff has a lot of work to do this coming week. We need to be better prepared when our frontline QB is taking such a beating.
Great post
Things I liked:
-The Steelers won in the face of adversity…granted they caused their own adversity….but overcame it none the less.
-Chris K. caused me to use language that would make a sailor blush…in front of my wife and daughter. He should be benched for that…. and for his boneheadedness.
-When Ben went down I became physically ill.
-When he came back in I felt somewhat better, but every time he dropped back to pass my blood pressure went up and the knot in my stomach doubled in size.
-It was nice to see Mendy and Redman running hard. I wondered several times if they would ever try and bounce one outside. Arians prolly saw something on film, ie The Ravens busting them up inside, and decided that was a good idea for our guys too.
-Again with the non-holding calls against our d-line? I saw so many I gave up getting irritated at it.
-Not to be mean, but I giggled when James decked McCoy. I’ll send him some money for the fine. Think a dollar will help? And any Clowns fans who wanna’ get all self righteous about it….tell me you didn’t cheer wildly (and think you might actually win) when Ben went down.
"I've been trying to justify you, in the end i will just defy you" Dream Theater
by OhioYinzer on Dec 9, 2011 4:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I also enjoyed seeing Harrison obliterate Mccoy
I have nothing against Mccoy, and would never wish serious bodily harm on him. But I miss the old school days when certain linebackers and Dlinemen were affectionately known as “QB killers” by fans. As far as im concerned if a LB puts enough of a hurting on the QB that his will to continue to play disapears or is he unable to play then he did his job. (as long as its not overly malicious or downright dirty) Its unbelievable that people expect Harrison, aka “Deebo”, aka “The Silverback” to not unload on a QB who running straight at him with the ball tucked like a runner.
I agree
I think that the intimidation factor is important, and I can guarantee McCoy will think twice about that kind of play when the teams meet in January. Although, there are multiple reports that MCCoy did in fact suffer a concussion, and has absolutley no memory of getting whacked. Probably better for him, otherwise he might think twice about lacing up his cleats ever again.
"I've been trying to justify you, in the end i will just defy you" Dream Theater
The 4th & 1 call was the right one.
EITHER you are in the pigskinmetrics camp and you judge calls by their potential probabilities irrespective of whether they realized at that time (could have been a TD, a fumble, etc., all with distinct Winning Probability implications, and you probably think it was good.
OR you are a “down to earth, I’ll call it good if if brings good results” guy, and you STILL have to give the nod to Tomlin there. The play was stuffed, but Clevelend went 3 & out and we got the ball back at the 36, still nearing Suisham’s range. The call actually went well !
I agree but the runner was wrong
Is Redman the power runner or Moore??. Either way Pittsburgh running game has gone down hill
I have noticed two loses that ar directly Tomlins fault poor coaching. I do agree with the 4th and one call but use Redman
dennis dixon
Why do the Steelers keep Dennis Dixon on the roster if they never play him?? Charley maybe good but he is not good enough to win a super bowl, Dixon is a 4th year player with potenial that sits and does nothing every week Leftwich is passed his prime. Steelers either need another QB or they need to work with Dixon. Where is Dennis Dixon???
He’s practicing with Limas Sweed.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
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If he is practicing with Limas Sweed why is he still on the roster taking up space. This coaching staff has some real issues. Or if that was just a smart ass answer my question still stands.
Oy. Another one. Have you considered that there may be reasons unknown to us why Batch is #2 and Dixon #3? I’m sure Charlie isn’t 2nd out of loyalty or a coin toss. Maybe Dixon isn’t our back up answer. Next year, he might be. That’s why you keep him on the roster.
Satisfied?
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Dixon wasn’t even available for this game. Hines Ward would have been our #3.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Then the media would have questioned Coach Mike...
…whether having Hines throw the ball to himself was was meant to help him break 1,000 receptions.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well Ben did say there would be a concerted effort to get Hines to 1000 at home. He just didn’t say exactly how…
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Heinz to 1000
Ben didn’t help that effort mch did He??
Exactly which game did you watch? Ben had 280 yards passing in this game. Antonio Brown had 151 of them.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Given that he threw to Hines
who fumbled it, who would you say helped Hines the most?
"If you're not getting better, I don't care what business you're in, you're a dead man. I try to look critically at the mistakes that I make and try to learn from them, like our team does." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 10, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
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Exactly Ward was our 3rd string quarterback. So again where is Dixon?? The guy can run he can pass he may not be very expierenced thus the Cleveland game would have been great for him to get some. He isn’t even dressed for the games.Batch took a few snaps. If I was Batch I would have NO confidence in this coaching staff by the way who is the coach Ben should have been told sit down and shut up we can win without you. GET RIDE OF THE BALL once in a while
you are correct
you are obviously more knowledgeable than the coaches who see him play every day. I look forward to your promotion as the next head coach of the Steelers.
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Yeah, I’m out. Patience is a virtue and it’s wearing thin with me.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
Totally understandable. However i think “aptly titled poster” is another mikebb. I do believe they are all B.B members with second accounts. one disappears, another pops up.;
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