Would Cuts and FA Signings Make Steelers Better?
Bumped from the fanposts with only minor edits made by myself. A fun discussion starter even if much is based on best-guess salary figures and speculation about what the new CBA might look like with regards to free agency. Thanks to him and all of you for continuing to bring the goods each and every week. - Michael B. -
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Just imagine that we are looking at a world where a new CBA exists, and the only thing we have to worry about isn't raises for players, or even if football exists next year, but whether or not the Steelers could (or should) cut enough money off their roster to make a big move in free agency. Whenever that happens to occur (if at all) in the 2011 calendar year.
Below is a best-guess overview of 2011 salaries, followed by a hypothetical Q&A session about possible roster subtractions + free agent additions.
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# |
Name |
Pos. |
Age |
Exp. |
Final Season |
Base Salary |
Cap Charge |
||||||
|
71 |
Adams, Flozell |
T |
35 |
13 |
2011 |
$5,000,000 |
$5,000,000 |
||||||
|
26 |
Allen, Will |
S |
28 |
7 |
2012 |
$1,265,000 |
$1,590,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
Atkins, Baraka |
DE |
26 |
4 |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$405,000 |
||||||
|
16 |
Batch, Charlie |
QB |
36 |
13 |
2011 |
$865,000 |
$865,000 |
||||||
|
81 |
Battle, Arnaz |
WR |
30 |
8 |
2012 |
$1,038,000 |
$1,363,000 |
||||||
|
87 |
Bright, Eugene |
TE |
25 |
1 |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
77 |
Brooks, Dorian |
G |
23 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
84 |
Brown, Antonio |
WR |
22 |
R |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$429,000 |
||||||
|
28 |
Butler, Crezdon |
CB |
23 |
R |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$445,000 |
||||||
|
25 |
Clark, Ryan |
FS |
31 |
9 |
2013 |
$2,500,000 |
$3,250,000 |
||||||
|
27 |
Dwyer, Jonathan |
RB |
21 |
R |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$431,000 |
||||||
|
90 |
Ellis, Chris |
LB |
25 |
3 |
2012 |
$480,000 |
$480,000 |
||||||
|
51 |
Farrior, James |
ILB |
36 |
14 |
2012 |
$2,825,000 |
$3,825,000 |
||||||
|
50 |
Foote, Larry |
ILB |
30 |
9 |
2012 |
$2,400,000 |
$3,000,000 |
||||||
|
73 |
Foster, Ramon |
T |
25 |
2 |
2011 |
$480,000 |
$483,000 |
||||||
|
19 |
Grisham, Tyler |
WR |
23 |
1 |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$405,000 |
||||||
|
98 |
Hampton, Casey |
NT |
33 |
10 |
2012 |
$3,910,000 |
$7,077,000 |
||||||
|
92 |
Harrison, James |
OLB |
32 |
7 |
2014 |
$3,660,000 |
$7,360,000 |
||||||
|
96 |
Hood, Ziggy |
DE |
23 |
2 |
2013 |
$600,000 |
$1,629,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
Ivy, Mortty |
LB |
24 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
85 |
Johnson, David |
TE |
23 |
2 |
2011 |
$480,000 |
$491,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
Johnson, James |
RB |
26 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
67 |
Jolly, Kyle |
T |
23 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
13 |
Kapinos, Jeremy |
P |
26 |
3 |
2011 |
$410,000 |
$410,000 |
||||||
|
99 |
Keisel, Brett |
DE |
32 |
9 |
2013 |
$3,025,000 |
$4,025,000 |
||||||
|
68 |
Kemoeatu, Chris |
G |
28 |
6 |
2013 |
$2,973,000 |
$4,000,000 |
||||||
|
4 |
Leftwich, Byron |
QB |
31 |
8 |
2011 |
$1,750,000 |
$1,850,000 |
||||||
|
23 |
Lewis, Keenan |
CB |
24 |
2 |
2011 |
$480,000 |
$640,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
Lyons, Wes |
WR |
? |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
McCaskill, Nevin |
G |
27 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
McCoy, Chris |
LB |
24 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
McCoy, Jamie |
TE |
23 |
|
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
20 |
McFadden, Bryant |
CB |
29 |
6 |
2012 |
2,500,000 |
$2,667,000 |
||||||
|
69 |
McLendon, Steve |
DT |
25 |
1 |
2011 |
$405,000 |
$405,000 |
||||||
|
34 |
Mendenhall, Rashard |
RB |
23 |
3 |
2012 |
$613,000 |
$1,883,000 |
||||||
|
83 |
Miller, Heath |
TE |
28 |
6 |
2014 |
$3,386,000 |
$5,586,000 |
||||||
|
43 |
Polamalu, Troy |
SS |
29 |
8 |
2011 |
$6,400,000 |
$8,595,000 |
||||||
|
53 |
Pouncey, Maurkice |
C |
21 |
R |
2014 |
$405,000 |
$5,429,000 |
||||||
|
82 |
Randle El, Antwaan |
WR |
31 |
9 |
2012 |
$2,000,000 |
$2,300,000 |
||||||
|
33 |
Redman, Isaac |
RB |
26 |
1 |
2011 |
$405,000 |
$405,000 |
||||||
|
7 |
Roethlisberger, Ben |
QB |
28 |
7 |
2015 |
$11,600,000 |
$15,800,000 |
||||||
|
88 |
Sanders, Emmanuel |
WR |
23 |
R |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$600,000 |
||||||
|
61 |
Scott, Chris |
T |
23 |
R |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$452,000 |
||||||
|
91 |
Smith, Aaron |
DE |
34 |
12 |
2011 |
$4,500,000 |
$6,100,000 |
||||||
|
78 |
Starks, Max |
T |
29 |
7 |
2012 |
$5,140,000 |
$7,240,000 |
||||||
|
80 |
Sweed, Limas |
WR |
26 |
3 |
2011 |
$555,000 |
$938,000 |
||||||
|
55 |
Sylvester, Stevenson |
ILB |
22 |
R |
2012 |
$405,000 |
$444,000 |
||||||
|
94 |
Timmons, Lawrence |
ILB |
24 |
4 |
2011 |
$650,000 |
$2,798,000 |
||||||
|
17 |
Wallace, Mike |
WR |
24 |
2 |
2011 |
$480,000 |
$665,000 |
||||||
|
86 |
Ward, Hines |
WR |
34 |
13 |
2013 |
$3,000,000 |
$4,610,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
Warren, Donovan |
CB |
22 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
N/A |
Waters, Swayze |
K |
23 |
R |
2012 |
$330,000 |
$330,000 |
||||||
|
97 |
Worilds, Jason |
OLB |
22 |
R |
2013 |
$405,000 |
$760,000 |
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Totals
Payroll: (base '10 salaries): $83,045,000
Salary Cap: $120,350,000
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With that data at our disposal, let's ask ourselves some specific questions about free agency that could potentially make the Steelers better.
Question: Could we cut enough money off of next years' roster to sign a big free agent?
- Answer: Yes
Question: Whom should we cut? (If anyone?)
- Answer(s): Flozell Adams: Salary: $5,000,000; competition for position (Draft Pick, Willie Colon, Jonathon Scott)
- Analysis: Flozell is not worth the 5 million he is being paid. Willie Colon (if brought back) will likely be the starter, so 5 million for a backup is a lot to pay. Although we saw that we lack depth on the O-line this year, I think it might be wise to either keep Flozell as a transitional player until we draft a replacement, or just cut him lose and sign a bargain to be a back-up.
- Conclusion: Cut Flozell and sign Colon for 4.5-5 million over 4 years.
Arnaz Battle: Salary: $1,363,000; competition for position (already have 5 wideouts and Sweed is returning).
- Analysis: He is an un-needed commodity and easily replaceable on special teams.
- Conclusion: Cut, save 1.4 Million
Larry Foote: Salary: $3,000,000; competition for position (Sylvester and possible draft picks, not to mention Keyaron Fox possibly being retained)
- Analysis: Foote is a good backup, but barely saw the field in the last half of the season. James Farrior is getting old, and injuries happen, but for the price, Foote is not better than the younger, cheaper guys still on the roster.
- Conclusion: Cut and save 3 Million, draft another replacement and promote Sylvester to main backup.
Antwaan Randle El: Salary $2,300,000; competition for position (Randle El became the 5th wide-out for the Steelers, Sweed is coming back, possible cheaper 5th option as a FA or Draft Pick)
- Analysis: Randle El was demoted from 3rd to 5th on the depth chart at wide-out. Sweed is coming back, and he might be a huge bust, but I think healthy he at least can play the 5th position (or a DFA or FA would be able to come in at a much cheaper level. Randle El doesn't have much up-side anymore, and he will be supplanted as the main punt-return man by either Brown or Sanders next year. He still adds thoughness, a veteran presence and sure hands.
- Conclusion: Sorry Twaan, you just aren't worth that kind of money anymore. Cut and save 2.3 Million.
Aaron Smith: Salary: $6,100,000; competition for position (Ziggy Hood, draft pick as backup)
- Analysis: This is the toughest guy on this list of possible cuts. Smith is the best 3-4 DE to ever play the game. I would much rather him restructure for a lower salary, but since we aren't playing that game, we are looking at a 6.1 million hit for a guy who has had a hard time staying on the field and is 34. Ziggy was fantastic and finally lived up to that 1stround pick. He should be a starter next year. Brett Keisel made the pro-bowl, is younger and cheaper than Smith. With the age on our line, we need to get younger anyways, so most people think we will be drafting another high pick DL in this years or next years draft. Why should he stay? Well he is still fantastic and a game-changer when he is on the field. But who do we bench next year if not him? Ziggy who is finally living up to his potential and has nothing more to learn from the bench? Or maybe Brett who is younger and had his best overall year (a great year where he made amazing plays for us)?
- Conclusion: Cut and save 6.1 Million. I would prefer a restructure, but as much as it pains me, Aaron doesn't have a spot in the starting lineup, and he is a huge injury risk. Cutting him could allow us to sign a true difference maker, or will at least free up room to keep our own guys.
Max Starks: Salary: $7,240,000; competition for position (Jonathan Scott, Draft Pick)
- Analysis: There is no true replacement for Stark on this current roster. He is only 29 and he is proven at his position. He will never be the best LT in the game, but when healthy he is pretty solid and could help stabilize the line for a while until his replacement is found. The only way he is cut is if they draft an LT in the first round and believe he is ready to start immediately (an option I highly doubt with the track record of the Steelers).
- Conclusion: Keep. Unless he has a 1st rounder as a replacement, there is no one else to step in on that side of the line. Scott is not a starter for a full season at this league. But if they find a guy in the draft who can start right away, cut him and save the 7.24 Million.
Total Payroll Savings:
$12.8 Million (plus difference of salary between Adams and Colon)
*Salaries represent total cap hit, not just base salary.
Question: Who should we target with our saved money? Would they be worth it?
Areas of Need: DL, OL, CB, ILB
Potential free agent acquisitions might include:
Nnamdi Asomugha
- Projected Contract: $10+ million / year for 4 years.
- Analysis: Signing one of the 2 best corners in the league would be a dream. We would be able to lock down opponents in the pass, as well as in the run. This would take the Steelers defense from best in the NFL to best all-time consideration. But simply put, we can't do this. It isn't the Steeler way to sign big time FA's and this signing would leave the Steelers in cap trouble for years to come.
- Conclusion: Would be one of the best FA acquisitions in team history, but there is no way it could or should happen. Don't Sign.
Champ Bailey
- Projected Contract: 6.5 Million per year for 3 years.
- Analysis: Champ is getting older and isn't what he used to be, but he is still a pretty good corner and is better than all other CB's on the roster other than Ike Taylor. Champ and Ike would make for an aging group, but a pretty stellar one for a few years until the Steelers drafted their replacements.
- Conclusion: The money would be steep, but if the Steelers feel he fits the model of the team and if Champ is willing to take a slight pay cut for the chance at a title, this could happen. Chance of happening: 20%
Logan Mankins
- Projected Contract: 7 Million per year for 4-5 years.
- Analysis: Mankins is one of the better guards in the NFL, but at the price it would take to sign him, is he really that much better than a high round draft pick, who will be much cheaper and younger?
- Conclusion: I don't see how Mankins fits into the Steeler mold or financial structure. He is a lot like Asomugha insomuch as he would be a great addition and would make the team more dominant, but at too high of a price to be worth it.
Brodney Pool:
- Projected Contract: 4 Million per year for 4 years.
- Analysis: Pool had some really good years in Cleveland and hasn't been great as a Jet, but he might be better (and is certainly younger) than Ryan Clark. He would be a solid addition to our secondary, but I think corner is a bigger need at the moment.
- Conclusion: Don't sign. He would be an upgrade (probably) over Clark, but paying them both would be a waste, and I wouldn't want the Steelers to cut Clark to sign Pool.
Bob Sanders:
- Projected Contract: 5 Million per year for 3 years (higher signing bonus, lower base salary).
- Anaylsis: Sanders would be dynamic next to Troy. I never bought into the hype that he was DPOY worthy, or that he was equal or right behind Troy and Ed Reed, but he is still a pretty good safety, when healthy. Luckily for him, signing with the Steelers would allow him to stay off the line and possibly avoid injuries while still allowing for interceptions and jarring hits over the middle.
- Conclusion: Don't sign. While he is an upgrade (when healthy) over Clark, he would benefit from being a Steeler more than the Steelers would benefit from having him. People talk about putting him in the system he knows (Cover-2), but that system has proven to get him hurt. He needs to go to a team where he can play Ed Reeds role, not Troy Polamalu's.
Jermon Bushrod
- Projected Contract: 5.5 Million per year for 4 years.
- Analysis: For those of you who don't know, Bushrod is a pretty good OT from the Saints. Not much to say other than he is a good protector, doesn't allow a lot of sacks, and is decently mobile. He would be an upgrade over any tackle the Steelers have, though I think he would be better suited at RT for our line.
- Conclusion: If we cut Flozell and don't resign Colon, Bushrod is the perfect piece to anchor our line from the right. If we keep either of those though, there isn't room for him on this team.
Brent Grimes
- Projected Contract: 5 Million per year for 5 years. (Large signing bonus).
- Analysis: Because Grimes is a restricted FA, the Steelers would have to part with picks to get him. He might very well be worth them, but that is the biggest thing to consider. He would move in as the #2 starter with Ike, and by the end of this contract would be the clear #1 on the team. He is a cheaper option than Asomugha or Bailey to make our secondary much better.
- Conclusion: It really depends on what it would take to get him away from Atlanta. But this is the first guy I think the Steelers should really push hard for.
Tyson Clabo
- Projected Contract: 6 Million per year for 5 years.
- Analysis: Clabo is an anchor on Atlanta's pretty solid line. He could come in and take Max Starks out of the position (which would more than pay for his salary).
- Conclusion: I think it really depends on the salary he is willing to sign for, but he would be a definite upgrade.
Paul Posluszny
- Projected Contract: 4.5 Million per year for 5 years.
- Analysis: On this current team, Posluszny is a backup. Kind of crazy to think about since he had 151 tackles last year (the 3rd most in the NFL) in only 14 games. He would be Farrior's obvious replacement, but with the rise of Sylvester, he may not be needed. If we didn't have Farrior, I would make this signing in a heartbeat, but I don't know how Posluszny takes a bench job after the season he had.
- Conclusion: Don't sign. It would be worth it to have him at that contract, but he won't sign to be a backup, and Farrior is still a starter in this league.
Thoughts?
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Great Analysis
It shows that the Steelers organizational structure is right in not always signing the big name free agents. Like your breakdown a lot.
Couple of flaws to your numbers
I love the numbers part of the game and am not knocking your article, just clarifying some things. Max Starks was signed to a 4 year deal with 10 mil bonus, which counts equally each year against the cap. (2.5 mil a year). If we cut him before June 4, he would still count for 5 mil this year (2 years left times 2.5 mil). After Jne 4 we could split the cost ofver 2 years at 2.5 a year. Not worth cutting him under any circumstance to save only 2.4 mil this year, next year would save 5 mil. Battle would still count for 700,000 against the cap this year (same scenario with bonus). ARE makes sense because his cap hit would go from 2.3 mil to 600,000. Foote would count for 1.2 mil if cut (as opposed to 3 mil if not),. Flozell makes sense, he had no guarenteed money, so the entire 5 mil comes off the books if he is cut. Good overall article though.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Thanks
I was just using Steeler Depot’s numbers to try and show even if we cut that much money, the amount saved vs. the players we could or would go after doesn’t necessarily mean we would have a better team.
I also didn’t account for raises to players, the large amount Woodley is going to be paid, or anything else because I was just trying to show that while it may be great to save some money and sign big names, it won’t make us much, if any, better.
The Poster Formerly Known As Gimpsta7
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 20, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
cap penalty:
if a player is cut in the year 2010 (prior to March 4, 2011) no cap penalties will be in play. It is all but guaranteed Starks is gone. ANY garbage contract can be cut loose. I argue you could add Kemoeatu and others.
I would bet everything I have we don't release Max Starks.
You’re cutting 40% of our starting line. Not exactly the deepest group to be thinning out.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 22, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I have to agree there
No way they let Starks walk with only J. Scott having any PT at LT.
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by Steel Spike on Feb 22, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
By all accounts Starks has healed well. I can’t see them showing him the door. I’m more worried about Colon being able to come back and play RT.
Why?
Flozell played great, and only had 2 or 3 penalties all year, IIRC.
Stinky can bounce inside to guard if necessary. Guard takes less footwork, and more raw power than tackle does. If he isn’t back to his normal self, then he’ll need to take on a new role.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
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by Steel Spike on Feb 24, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Flozell is also 36
This may have been his last season with playing like a starter.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
by Steel in FL on Feb 25, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Just one question:
How is a rookie’s cap hit almost 5.5 million? Is that a Pro Bowl bonus?
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Some kind of signing bonus I assume
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by John Stephens on Feb 20, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Crazy shit man...
Thinking about it now, it’s more likely to be a PT bonus. He started every game this year except the SB.
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by Steel Spike on Feb 20, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we can let Hotel go just yet, not until we are positive Colon will be able to come back and play RT. Worst case scenario is that Colon will lose enough lateral ability, not his strongest suit to begin with, and will have to be moved to RG. Solves the RG problem, but in that case we will need Flo for another year at RT while picking up the future RT in this years draft.
If Colon shows he can come back at RT, we can still keep Flo and move him to RG, which also solves the RG problem for another year at least. He is still a mauler in the run game, and moving inside might get another year or two out of him.
I would let Battle, Foote, ARE go, and Memo is Dwyer shows he is capable of handling blitz pick ups. I don’t want Mankins, Poole, and especially Sanders. Id rather see McFadden move to S.
Sure it’s a dream for us to get Nnamdi, but it could happen. He has already gotten big $. Look at things from his perspective, I’m sure he wants to win, and win rings. As long as he is in his prime he will be considered the best CB in the league, but what about his long term legacy. Without a ring he may be forgotten once he declines and/or retires. He knows coming here he will help make an elite defense one of the best ever, and have a realistic shot at winning it all every year, which will help him become an all time legend.
woodley isnt on the list..
and with the franchise tag his cap hit will exceed $10 million. we could resign him to a different contract but it would still be at or above Harrison’s 7million
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 20, 2011 8:26 PM EST reply actions
both woodley and taylor aren't on the list
and i am not sure how much this will add to the #s. but then you also have to keep in mind that the steelers are only making about $18mm operating profit a year so this has to be a factor also. it’s not like you are the cowboys or skins making $100mm plus a year, where your problem is not the money as much as fitting it into the salary cap.
you have to give management credit for pulling off this kind of tightrope with a 2010 payroll of about $129mm, they are spending what they can. there is just no room to go out and get big time FAs like nnamdi without letting go of some you want to keep. you just cannot afford to have great players at all positions unless you can get them in the draft and get them performing very quickly before their rookie contracts are up. (like woodley who was only $550k a year). you can only afford so many big veteran contracts.
the top 5 guys account for $46mm of salary cap (ben, troy, starks, harrison, hampton) and then woodley will be in the top 5 and possibly taylor too, someone just has to go. (whether it is aaron or flozell or whoever). very tough business, i wouldn’t want to have to make the call.
depending on the new CBA
if it’s the same with how signing bonuses count, your math is off. signing bonuses will count regardless and cutting a player could accelerate what they count against the cap (ex. cutting battle would only save 1 mil)
although this is an interesting discussion piece and you obviously put in time to research the stuff
best case scenario: if we cut those ppl we increase our spending room by only 9 mil (that’s assuming SB’s are counted in a similar way in a new CBA as in the old)…and even then that doesnt take into account the league min salaries players on the 53 man roster who will count against the cap now that these guys were cut.
-the only ppl worth while to cut are flozell (assuming colon makes a full recovery and resigns with us) and smith. i would certainly give the restructuring option to both. we’d be saving only a little more than 2 mil by cutting the battle, foote, and randle el combined. those guys are certainly worth that.
That is what I was trying to show
Cuts won’t necessarily make us a better team.
The Poster Formerly Known As Gimpsta7
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 22, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Battle foote are
All three are expendable but not just to sign a Snyder esque free agent. It is very likely that we need one or all three spots for our draft pick.
by steelerstyle on Feb 25, 2011 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
Bushrod and Clabo
really good players but don’t they both play in zone blocking schemes? I don’t think either is a fit for us.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Feb 20, 2011 11:25 PM EST reply actions
not sure either
I think it’s why the Redskins were so keen to trade for Jammal Brown last year. Saints linemen tend to be tall, under 315lbs and nimble but I don’t watch enough of them to really notice their blocking schemes.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Feb 21, 2011 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
Rule #1: Whatever the Redskins do...
…Don’t.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
no, hes an Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Which means he’ll almost assuredly (99.99999999999999%) be back in ‘11. You can read more about his status here if you’re so inclined. http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2011/2/17/1999573/pittsburgh-steelers-2011-free-agents-analysis-doug-legursky
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by Michael Bean on Feb 21, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was refering to the fact
that Ulhorn didn’t have him on his list of payday/cap hit.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
I DON'T BUY THE NUMBERS ABOVE...AT LEAST NOT ALL OF THEM.
I am actually skeptical of a few of the salaries listed in the article. Two that stand out more than others are CB McFadden, who in 2009 signed a two year $10M deal with very little bonus money involved. I find it hard to believe that his salary last year in Pittsburgh was less than $4M. I also find it odd that Kemoeatu has such a low number when the deal he signed was only fractions less than that of Starks. I also find it very naive to think that we will have a salary cap in the NFL for the 2011 season that is anywhere north if $100M as the owners have stated they don’t want it to continue to grow to a point where most teams are so far bellow it that it is rendered useless. For that reason I believe it is critical to follow the following points to have enough room moving forward to field a team well beyond the 2011 season.
Roethlisberger, Mendenhall, Ward, Wallace, Randle El, Sanders, Sweed, Miller, J. Scott, Pouncey, Adams, Hood, Smith-see released player section also, Hampton, Keisel, Harrison, Farrior, Foote, Fox, Timmons, Worilds, Lewis, Clark, Allen, Polamalu, Warren, and Woodley (with tag) are all under already under contract thru at least 2011.
Dixon, Hills, Mundy, and Sepulveda should get max offers as restricted free agents (so we wouldn’t lose them without more than we could trade them for if they signed elsewhere)
Brown, C. Scott, Sylvester, Redman, Dwyer, Johnson, McLendon, Butler, Legursky, and Foster sign exclusive rights tenders; whatever those numbers will be for 2011 (either way they are not allowed to go anywhere if the Steelers tender them a contract in this manner)
Starks, Kemoeatu, Battle, and Smith are released prior to the expiration of the current CBA in early March to save a cap penalty (since no cap in year 2010 means no cap penalty) Please Note: Smith can only be released in this 2010 NFL calendar year if he will agree in advance to sign a deal with the Steelers that is more cap friendly moving forward. The deal needs to save Pittsburgh around $3M-$4M so that money can go toward a RB (like Ronnie Brown) or QB (like Matt Flynn if he is not max tendered as a restricted) that will cost more than the position budget would allow. If Smith would leave the Steelers would have no choice but to keep him under his current contract at around $5.25M in 2011 even though more than likely he will be the fourth defensive lineman and play no more than half the snaps at all down positions (to keep himself healthy and the three starters rested) moving forward.
Leftwich, Moore, Spaeth, Essex, Hoke, Eason, Gay, Suisham, and Kapinos are non-tendered
McFadden-around three years $12M, Taylor-around two years $10M, Colon-around four years $20M, and Batch-around two years $3M are retained with multi year deals
Madison is retained on one year deals to compete for a spot on the roster
Free Agent needs would then be CB, OT, TE/FB, RB, QB, and K
Draft needs would then be: TE/FB, CB, FS, NT, DE, MLB/OLB and K (kick off specialist)
Could anyone argue with these moves if they keep the Steelers well bellow the much lower projected salary caps of 2011 and beyond even after the team filled all free agent needs with between $14M and $20M? This plan and budget also allows for the standard rookie allotment or around 10% of your total salary. I will include bellow (in a new post) my list of top three to fill each free agent spot that I qualified as a free agent need (not a draft need) so let me know how you agree and who you think may better fill the void…include why of course!
Note that I only considered the 53 man roster and 5 IR players that are normally on the 53 in this. I fully expect the team to sign a good number of undrafted rookies and players to future contracts, including former practice squad players to compete in camp.
on the 26th of April, 2010
McFadden signed a three-year, $7.5 mil contract, which included a $500k signing bonus, and as a result, is not a free agent until 2013.
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I agree with some of the cuts you propose
but I don’t agree with signing a FA RB like Brown. We have Mendy, Redman, and Dwyer. I don’t see that as a big area of need currently. Also how many full seasons has Ronnie Brown played since he was paid a truckload of cash by Miami? We can fill our RB needs either with a late pick or getting an undrafted free agent. As for Flynn, I don’t see that as a fit either. He did ok as a backup in a west coast offense, but I don’t see him thriving in our system (or behind our line). I’d rather re-sign Dixon as a backup. At least he can out run the jail break that our O-line regularly gives up.
ERROR ABOVE IN MY POST
I left off the need at OG in the 2011 draft, I apologize for the error and correct it here.
FREE AGENT LIST:
Bellow are my top three free agents at the need positions in my previous entry:
CB Sure the best available are big names but for Pittsburgh the order should be: 1. Eric Wright 2. Chris Houston 3. Fabian Washington (ahead of Cromartie, Woodson, Bailey, and Asomugha since these four will be much too costly, much too old, or both)
OT Should be filled with value in mind like most every position filled by Pittsburgh in free agency (normally works as a prime example is Ryan Clark who has become a better safety than Chris Hope) and looks a lot like this: 1. Jared Gaither 2. Jordan Black 3. Jammal Brown
TE/FB The object here is to find a great blocker who can play in the backfield and still catch a ball a game. The following can: 1. Owen Daniels 2. Kris Wilson 3. David Thomas
RB The budget here is based on Aaron Smith, Max Starks, and Chris Kemoeatu. If more than one is kept it will be hard to sign a 1B back. If the money works out, however, I would rank my top three as follows: 1. Ronnie Brown 2. Michael Bush 3. Tim Hightower
QB Matt Flynn is tops on this list if he is not max tendered by the Packers as long as the same mistake that kept Andy Lee in San Francisco doesn’t keep Flynn in Green Bay. If he is not max tendered the offer would have to be upwards of 5 years at over $3M per season. The following is assuming that he is correctly max tendered however and looks like this: 1. Marc Bulger 2. Chad Pennington 3. Billy Volek
K Should assume with the added roster space in the new CBA that the Steelers will carry a kickoff specialist. That said the kickers are ranked as follows: 1. David Akers (sure he is transition player but worth an offer sheet) 2. Matt Prater 3. Jeff Reed (though it seems unlikely, we will be hard pressed to find a better kicker in eight to ten home games every season and would he really have missed that SB kick by that much??…I think not)
FA signings can result in Dan Snyder's disease...
…the symptoms of which are overpaying for damaged merchandise that was once highly desirable, but can no longer perform.
Exhibit one: you mention Jammal Brown, two time all-pro. He might have been the worst offensive tackle during the first part of this past year, but his play improved over the season. But it has been reported he suffers from degenerative hip disease, and – while he might have recovered somewhat from a hip injury midway thru the 2010 season – the hip will always be a problem and he will never be able to perform at his old level. Caveat emptor.
The Steelers are wise in looking for younger guys who are stuck behind stars. Once in a long while, circumstances force your hand and maybe you get lucky with a Flozell, but – more often than not – you add depth with guys like MeMo and KFox.
But you should never forget chemistry and loyalty. That doesn’t mean holding on to guys who can’t cut it anymore, but chemistry and loyalty must always be part of the Steeler equation. Football is a business, but Black and Gold is still a Mom and Pop shop, and there are family considerations.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Going purely off those figures (though I doubt some of them are accurate)
It’s going to be a very interesting off season. And we’re already behind in time because in reality, with no cap implications for the 2011 season if we cut guys immediately and negotiate new deals with them. There’s a lot of guys who would fit into that list but it seems with time running short we probably won’t be able to get that done. But there’s a lot of guys up there who we should really be attempting to do that with. Some in the guise of contract extensions and some in the guise of redressing their role on the team. Max Starks is one, he’s a guy who they could cancel the contract for and offer a longer deal to. A brand new contract, not an extension. That would SIGNIFICANTLY reduce his cap hit for 2011. Especially as he’s coming off a missed season. Other guys we should ideally look to do that with: Troy Polamalu, new contract which is in effect an extension. Lawrence Timmons too.
On the pay reduction side I’d be looking at Hines Ward and Aaron Smith. Those guys were around when Bettis took his big pay cut to stay with the team and push for a SB. I think both should be open to it. Ward is a lesser case as his cap hit isn’t anything like Smith’s but Smith, we really cannot pay him what we are scheduled to as a rotational player, which is probably what he becomes next year.
Then there’s the outright immediate cuts which I don’t look to re-sign until after the draft.
Antwaan Randle-El – he showed in the SB when he’s in the game he can still contribute. But he’s paid way too much to be the 5th WR.
Byron Leftwich – His cap hit is pretty high and I’d like to see what we do with Dixon and Batch first
Bryant McFadden – Did not live up to his wage this year but I’m not against bringing him back at a lower number. Would still be a very good nickel corner. I’d just prefer he wasn’t the starter.
The the outright immediate cuts I don’t see much value in bringing back at all
Larry Foote – fine servant but we didn’t really need him in 2010 and Sylvester looks to have some potential. We can use the roster spot to keep an extra DL kid on the roster.
Arnaz Battle – signed as cover but ended up being surplus to requirements with Sanders and Brown emerging. No need for him anymore.
Lastly if the numbers are correct then it makes no difference if we cut Batch or Flozell immediately or at anytime prior to Week 1 of the regular season. No signing bonus portion of their cap hit. I’d like to see them negotiate Flozell’s number down at some point but it’s not a pressing concern. He’s definitely worth keeping with Colon not yet under contract and questions about achilles injuries on Tackles.
STEELERS DON'T NEED ROSTER SPOTS.
The new CBA will increase roster size by up to four so I doubt we need roster spots. Foote is necessary since the Steelers aren’t sure the status of the other MLBs after 2011.
they can't work under that assumption
especially as some owners do not want to increase roster size at all, so there’s nothing certain there in the slightest, let alone any assertion that it’ll be 4 roster spots. If you ask me the best compromise is actually allowing teams to dress all 53, not necessarily increasing the roster size. But, if once a new CBA is signed there is an increase in roster numbers then Foote would be a good guy to bring back. But not at $3m a year.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Feb 23, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the CBA is far from decided.
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the only player I'd take is Grimes
I’d love for the Steelers to get Brent Grimes, He went to college at Shippensburg (PA) and grew up near Philadelphia so he may take a slight pay cut to play near where he grew up and played college ball. He would also be an instant up grade at CB and he wouldn’t be pursued as much like some of the big name FA CBs
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